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disposablehero
Feb 26th, 2003, 10:33 PM
But the Hamburg tournament is not. :devil:

So long dudes, it will be nice not knowing you! :wavey:

AjdeNate!
Feb 26th, 2003, 10:52 PM
:wavey:

ColinB
Feb 26th, 2003, 11:22 PM
God guys grow up.. I am a Monica fan - but old enpough to know that it was not the tournaments fault - no amount of security will ever protect a player from someone like that - if he wanted to get her, he would have found a way and a different place... It's a shame Hamburg has gone as it has been a very successful event for over 10 years!

GoDominique
Feb 26th, 2003, 11:27 PM
If only a certain person wasn't a part of WTAworld any longer ... oh wait, we have already had that for one week. Those were the times ...

Pathetic.

Jarrett
Feb 26th, 2003, 11:27 PM
:wavey:

disposablehero
Feb 26th, 2003, 11:59 PM
GoDominque, good to see you. I've been expecting you in this thread.

GoDominique
Feb 27th, 2003, 12:23 AM
You are welcome. And I expected you to post something like this. Although it's a waste, because you already stated your opinion on this matter. To quote you: "MWAHHHHHHAAA HAAAAAHAA HAAAHAA HA!"

Yes, I am bitter that the tournament is gone (not as bitter as you are about some other things). But as long as it doesn't move to Canada, I'm fine.

Oh, and BTW: I'm sure that your 2nd favourite is at least as happy about the fact that Hamburg is gone as you, considering she is the defending champion. :rolleyes: Not that you care about that, of course, as you don't even have 1% of her class.

disposablehero
Feb 27th, 2003, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by GoDominique
"MWAHHHHHHAAA HAAAAAHAA HAAAHAA HA!"


Hey, you are right. Those were my exact words. But waving has a nice effect too. You forgot to wave. Come, GoDominique, wave for us. :wavey:

I'm thinking Kim doesn't need Hamburg, and if she really wants Tier II Champion points I doubt she has anything personal against Poland. And I don't think you have to worry much about a Tier II Clay event in the beginning of May moving to Canada.

ktwtennis
Feb 27th, 2003, 01:07 AM
Yeah! Finally they're gone!

Crazy Canuck
Feb 27th, 2003, 02:11 AM
Cheering for the death of tennis in Germany? Charming.

kku
Feb 27th, 2003, 04:25 AM
I feel sorry for the Germans. In case anyone's forgotten, the knife that went through Monica's back was from a crazed lunatic who had NOTHING to do with the tournament. It's outrageous to claim that the tournament wanted Monica injured when she's one of the biggest stars there.

The Germans have lost the Grand Slam Cup, the WTA Championships in 2001 and now the Betty Barclay Cup. And all were very big tournaments:(

Maybe if that retarded Putcher-or-whatever-his-name-is gets put behind bars, then Monica would return to Germany then Hamburg wouldn't be as universally despised then the tournament will still be on.

Sam L
Feb 27th, 2003, 04:29 AM
Originally posted by kku
The Germans have lost the Grand Slam Cup, the WTA Championships in 2001 and now the Betty Barclay Cup. And all were very big tournaments:(


That has nothing to do with Monica, but Steffi and Anke's retirements. I hear that tennis is not very popular there now.

As much as I like Monica, I will miss the Hamburg tournament. It was a nice little warmup to the French Open and always had great matches.

kku
Feb 27th, 2003, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by Sam L
That has nothing to do with Monica, but Steffi and Anke's retirements. I hear that tennis is not very popular there now.

As much as I like Monica, I will miss the Hamburg tournament. It was a nice little warmup to the French Open and always had great matches.

And I will miss Anke and Steffi. Both were (IMO) the best tennis players to have ever come out from Germany.

Myskina Lina
Feb 27th, 2003, 04:58 AM
If Monica wasn't injured in AO, she'd be ranked much higher I'm sure. Nastya will be soon too :devil:

Zummi
Feb 27th, 2003, 05:47 AM
The tournament had a responsibility to its players to ensure their security on court. And they failed. Add another vote to the list of fans glad they have received the boot... although it comes 10 years too late.

Dennis
Feb 27th, 2003, 09:46 AM
After Monica was stabbed they continued with the tournament as if nothing had happened. How rude !!!! It was so disrespectfull by both the players and the organizers to treat the stabbing as an normal injury.
They didn't feel sorry for Monica that is for sure. You should have followed German newspapers at that time. That would tell a lot.
That tournament deserved to be closed long ago.

irma
Feb 27th, 2003, 09:57 AM
kku almost players played in hamburg after 93 so that's sure not the reason.

the reason that it was sold, is that the DTB is broke!

not because they loved monica. then they would have cancelled the tournament at the evening on 30 april 93 and we know they didn't!

I wonder though if monica will play in Polen this year!

doloresc
Feb 27th, 2003, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by Zummi
The tournament had a responsibility to its players to ensure their security on court. And they failed. Add another vote to the list of fans glad they have received the boot... although it comes 10 years too late.

i agree! it only took 10 years to penalize them.

-Sonic-
Feb 27th, 2003, 01:13 PM
If a player was shot dead at the world cup or similar, I am certain the tournament would continue and that there would just be some sort of ceremony. I don't think hamburg should have been cancelled in 1993, and don't think it should have been cancelled indefinately.

stefanieforever
Feb 27th, 2003, 01:15 PM
seles overrate herself .

Messenger
Feb 27th, 2003, 01:23 PM
It could have happened anywhere. I'm sure he could have travelled to Wimbledon and stabbed a player if he really wanted to (albeit on an outside court)

Chance
Feb 27th, 2003, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by stefanieforever
seles overrate herself .
Hamburg tournament will go well without her.

:rolleyes:

If you haven't heard the tournament has gone kaput,broke,finished in other words IT NO LONGER EXISTS.

The Crow
Feb 27th, 2003, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by Messenger
It could have happened anywhere. I'm sure he could have travelled to Wimbledon and stabbed a player if he really wanted to (albeit on an outside court)

Indeed. Having a grunge against the tournament itself is stupid imo.

irma
Feb 27th, 2003, 01:31 PM
it's not a grunge but it's a fact that the tournament got a bad taste after what happened. that would have been the same in any place!

irma
Feb 27th, 2003, 01:36 PM
it's sad since it was one of mys fav in 91 and 92 (yeah reason is obvious :D)

GoDominique
Feb 27th, 2003, 01:41 PM
Just to clarify two things:

1. The tournament wasn't sold to Warsaw, it was sold to Philadelphia. Warsaw only got upgraded.

2. The ONLY reason why this tournament is gone are the financial troubles of the DTB, the German tennis Federation, which is more or less bankrupt after years of total (and still ongoing) mismanagement and throwing money out of the window during the golden years of Becker, Graf and Stich. They sold the tournament to receive roughly 3 million $ and avoid total insolvency. They also had problems to make TV contracts due to low ratings. That was also the reason why Hannover was sold 2 years ago (attendance was good).
It has NOTHING to do with Monica, and it has NOTHING to do with attendance which was always quite good. Last year it was a bit lower because of bad weather. And it has NOTHING to do with the players. They liked the tournament. Ironically, the event was killed in the year with the best draw ever, including Venus, Kim, Martina, Justine, Jelena, Daniela. :rolleyes:

Bероника
Mar 1st, 2003, 06:15 PM
I can't say I'm sorry

ttaM
Mar 1st, 2003, 06:51 PM
I heard if he couldn't have done it at Hamburg, he would have tried at Roland Garros. But that doesn't mean it would have happened. And who knows what might have happened between the Hamburg event and RG.

But in pictures I've seen of Monica sitting in her seat, and Parche going towards her, you see a security man sitting right next to Parche! I can also confirm this in a videotape I have, because I see the man carrying Parche out of the stadium. How could those around him NOT have seen him pull the knife out of the bag, and go towards Monica? I'm guessing this was before the time where you have the ball people, or whatever they are called, the kids that stand behind the players with umbrellas. But in the video I have you see a young girl standing by the next post, just looking confused as to what happened. :sad:

cooolconchita
Mar 1st, 2003, 08:09 PM
although disposable hero did this for attention, valid points have been made.

Monica really was treated like dirt by the german authorities, i would like to ask - would the tournament had continued if steffi was the one stabbed? :confused:

the tournament itself was good, but for the last 9 yeras, it has always had a sort of shadow around it, so maybe its time to say goodbye...

cooolconchita
Mar 1st, 2003, 08:09 PM
although disposable hero did this for attention, valid points have been made.

Monica really was treated like dirt by the german authorities, i would like to ask - would the tournament had continued if steffi was the one stabbed? :confused:

the tournament itself was good, but for the last 9 yeras, it has always had a sort of shadow around it, so maybe its time to say goodbye...

hingis-seles
Mar 1st, 2003, 08:35 PM
Good riddance. :wavey:

Ryan
Mar 2nd, 2003, 12:03 AM
:rolleyes: So nice for you all to cheer on the death of a good tournament.

disposablehero
Mar 2nd, 2003, 12:42 AM
Indeed. Having a grunge against the tournament itself is stupid imo.

I apologize. I will no longer dress up in dirty plaid clothes and play an untuned guitar while I say bad things about Hamburg.

disposablehero
Mar 2nd, 2003, 12:45 AM
And for those of you saying it could have happened at Roland Garros or Wimbledon, what makes you so sure England or France would have handled it the same way? On an unrelated note, I wonder what that Al Qaeda 9/11 consipirator is going to do when he gets paroled in 2018. Write a book, I suppose.

Crazy Canuck
Mar 2nd, 2003, 01:22 AM
But in pictures I've seen of Monica sitting in her seat, and Parche going towards her, you see a security man sitting right next to Parche! I can also confirm this in a videotape I have, because I see the man carrying Parche out of the stadium. How could those around him NOT have seen him pull the knife out of the bag, and go towards Monica? I'm guessing this was before the time where you have the ball people, or whatever they are called, the kids that stand behind the players with umbrellas. But in the video I have you see a young girl standing by the next post, just looking confused as to what happened.

Well, perhaps the security was so seemingly lax back then, because there had been no wake up call to indicate that it should be any different. I don't imagine that the security at Hamburg 1993, was dramatically worse than the security anywhere else?

I also hate to point it out, but the tournaments that I have been to in Canada, although it would be impossible to get to a player while they were playing, it would not be impossible to attack a player in a similar fashion while they were signing autographs. The players get a huge mob of people surrounding them at the wall, and although there is security there, one could do something similar in a split second before they picked up on it... I imagine that this is no different at other tournaments these days...

BasicTennis
Mar 2nd, 2003, 11:03 AM
In the future, will Seles allow her kids to play in Germany in case they'll be pro tennis players like her?

Monica has lost her focus for running away from the problem and not facing it. :sad:

Bероника
Mar 2nd, 2003, 03:34 PM
In the future, will Seles allow her kids to play in Germany in case they'll be pro tennis players like her?

Monica has lost her focus for running away from the problem and not facing it. :sad:

Of course it's very easy speaking like this when you were not the one stabbed.