All of the top players have done an amazing job to get at the top, but who in your opinion (objectively) has done the most to get to where they are/where?
I believe Lindsay has done the greater job. As Chris Evert said, she was supposed to be a nobody. Noone would give a damn penny for her back in 96', only until she won the Olympics and loss a LOT of wheight became a top player where she's been N 1# and have won three GS already.
Monica with her comeback would count a lot. So as Venus and Serena who have came from down under to the top top and challenged many obstacles.
But my most objective opinion says Lindsay.... who the one for you?
Feb 26th, 2003, 02:07 AM
sorry I forgot about Jen. She's done an amazing job as well...
Feb 26th, 2003, 02:26 AM
Venus and Serena. Richard Williams not knowing a damn thing about tennis, watching tennis videos to learn the game himself and teach the game to his daughter. Compton California isnt exactly a hotbead for the tennis community either. His girls shutting everyone up, (I remember when people swore by the book that neither Williams sister would ever win a slam). It proves that no matter what so called "big money" you come from that you can do anything you put your mind to. Much respect for Richard Williams also, because of all the flack that African-American males get as mostly "deadbeat dads" here is a shining example of a man who was thoughly interested in his daughters future.
Feb 26th, 2003, 03:23 AM
Lindsay wins hands down, i think Joh McEnroe said that "When i see some one like Lindsay, who isn't the best athlete but is able to reach the top the old fashioned way, with hard work and dedication i am truly inspired"
Feb 26th, 2003, 04:08 AM
Lindsay is wonderful. Hard-working. A champion inside & out. :)
Feb 26th, 2003, 04:10 AM
as a fan on lindsay, i agree that she deserves to be where she is.... however at the same time i'm also amazed at how serena has managed to overcome moments of the match where she was down... especially on extremely crucial points...
Feb 26th, 2003, 05:03 AM
The first time i really notice Justine was the 4th round ? of the 2000 US Open against Lindsay. I knew she was gonna be good because of that backhand. When I watch that match and see her now I am amazed at how she has come a long way.
Feb 26th, 2003, 05:46 AM
This is a very difficult poll simply because personal problem/challenges are difficult to compare. every black person understands how tough it is to compete in an environment in which you have to work twice as hard to get recognition, and criticized harder for wrongs you make. venus and serena have coped quite well. Seles' story is hearwrenching and you have got to admire how much she has accomplished despite it all.
Jen made mistakes that many people would have been happy to just lay low and away from the media but it must have taken tremendous courage just to keep going. The so called media that loved her the last two years have turned on her. There has been no hesistation to show her at her worst not to mention the weight issue in australia. No woman wants to be told she is fat/overweight (lindsay's problem earlier). It simply destroys your confidence which you need it most when all the cameras are turned on you and you are supposed to play at your best.
Both justine and amelie have had personal challenges and from what we know looks like kim has had the most stable 'normal' supportive background that should sure gurantee success.
Their personal stories are that much more impressive considering that these are all very young women,others still in their teens.
As for their hard work regarding their games, i believe they all work hard (differently though)coz different stroke s for different folks.
For me as an older fan, the williams sisters really impress me with how they can keep fighting hard knowing they have very little crowd support even in their own hometown. that has got to hurt!
Feb 26th, 2003, 06:00 AM
Most of Big Lindsays career she has been in less than admirable shape, in fact the reality of the way she looks now is evidence that she wasn't working her hardest most of her career. She coasted on talent and size.
Now Serena on the other hand has been a brickhouse her whole career so I would almost give her the nod (if Venus hadn't blazed the whole trail for her), but...
...in a shocker I give it to J Cap because she was raised as a true tennis robot and played the juniors and did it all by the prodigy book (which puts her ahead of Lindsay because she's always been fitter and ahead of the most famous female athletes in the world because she actually endured the rigors of the juniors while the most famous female athletes in the world got to play with dolls) then fell off the edge of the earth with her crime and drug issues and had to start all over again to reach those same heights.
The others don't rate with J Cap (I won't take the time to deliver any comments that would piss off their respective fans, although one of them isn't a fighter - heh heh).
I don't necessarily think she is still working the hardest but over her career it I would pick J Cap.
If I had to say who is currently it would be Serena, she has made herself the strongest, fittest player with the biggest fighting heart (no one contests every point and won't give up on a ball like Mama Smash) she has improved her game (especially mentally) more than anyone else has in the last 3 years and there are signs that it is still improving (unless everyone else is just getting worse...).
Feb 26th, 2003, 06:03 AM
Justine. I mean, she IS talented, but she has worked very well that beautiful backhand. Carlos Rodriguez tough her well too:)
Feb 26th, 2003, 08:03 AM
I miss 'Amanda Coetzer' with Your list ...
... with greetings, FrankWo.
Feb 26th, 2003, 09:27 AM
I will say Justine Henin-Hardenne. Given her personal life background, Justine has come a long way through her hardwork to be what she is today. She deserves my respect.
Feb 26th, 2003, 12:48 PM
Feb 26th, 2003, 01:45 PM
Justine 'cause her personal probs in her youth and she trains and improves every year. Ok she's forced to do this because she's small ...
But all the players are working very hard so I think we must admire them al because of there willpower ;)
Feb 26th, 2003, 02:00 PM
Justine and Jennifer.
Mar 2nd, 2003, 12:55 AM
:hearts: :worship: :angel: I AM SURPRISED THAT THERE IS ANY DISAGREEMENT ON THIS QUESTION. IT HAS TO BE JUSTINE HENIN-HARDENNE!! :angel: :worship: :hearts:
:D :D GO JUSTINE!! :D :D
Mar 2nd, 2003, 02:25 AM
I voted for Monica for obvious reasons--Not only emotionally working hard but also physically. I mean, she had so many injuries when she came back that I feel she really did have to work hard to get into even good shape. And now, I feel she's working her hardest yet!
Mar 2nd, 2003, 06:31 AM
I voted for Lindsay. The hard work she put to become a Grand Slam Champion was really amazing. There were a lot of negative opinions of Davenport when she was younger because of her weight and because she wasn't fit enough, and that tore Lindsay down to the point that she considered early retirement. But instead of giving up, Lindsay became more dedicated and trained harder to improve her game and fitness, and now she has over 60 singles and doubles title combined. Her recent comeback from knee surgery was also extremely impressive. I love the fact that she is in her best shape at 26. :)
Monica and Justine also came a long way to get where they are now.
Mar 2nd, 2003, 12:20 PM
Serena...after being slamless for so long she suddenly achieved greatness with her sheer determination.
Mar 2nd, 2003, 12:26 PM
Mar 2nd, 2003, 12:56 PM
Jennifer, Justine have all worked hard to get where they are not
But my vote goes for Serena.
Knowing nothing about tennis, and comin' from a hard and difficult life in the childhood. Always being Venus' shadow. Also always struggling in her early years to win the top players. And also having her hopes all gone when Venus was in her part of the draw. But everything has changed since she worked harder than anything to get where she is now. And also the way she manages to win a match like that against Kim on AUS Open 2003. So incredible. She deserved my vote for being the most successful of those players mentioned IMO.
Mar 2nd, 2003, 01:45 PM
I voted Lindsay :)
She clearly isn't a very athletic person but she still managed to become a tennis topplayer. The first time I saw her play, about 6 years ago, she was quiet corpulent.
She must have been very disciplined the last couple of years when it comes to diet and phisical training :)
Jelena Dokic worked hard too I guess to get where she is now. IMO she isn't a top player at all....she just plays and plays and she somehow managed to break into the top ten. So IMO she doesn't belong there but it's a great achievement to get so many points together without doing great at major tournaments.
Mar 2nd, 2003, 04:45 PM
she is not my fav but I think it's Justine H-H
I get the feeling she works her ass off!
Mar 2nd, 2003, 04:59 PM
I guess Serena had worked on her best to get into where she is now.. She's very passionate about her game and stuffs...
but i believe Lindsay too.. she's done a very great job upto now..
Mar 2nd, 2003, 06:48 PM
interesting replies to a very difficult question. None of us have the absolute truth, this isn't a yes/no question but I like the way this thread has developed with NO insults whatsoever
Joaco (still think Lindsay rules ;) )
Mar 2nd, 2003, 07:09 PM
Serena... because she has been in Venus shadow since she was a toddler.
What came EASY for Venus was always very hard for Serena. Venus seemed a natural player, while Serena is a developed player. Richard said that things were always more difficult for Serena but she would eventually become the better player. Richard said his daughters would someday be playing each other in Grand Slam finals. Well... FIVE so far.
They ALL laughed at him for saying that in 1997 or 1998. I don't think they are laughing now.
I don't know if Justine works hard or not, but she IS a phenominal player.
She is #2 on my list. Small girls need not fret, they too can play with the big girls with technique.
Mar 2nd, 2003, 08:27 PM
Jen Jen shes an example for all to follow of how to turn something bad into something positive. :D
Mar 2nd, 2003, 09:00 PM
Jen Jen shes an example for all to follow of how to turn something bad into something positive. :D
and GG, is your sig a quote by 'deep throat?' (if it is you'll know wot im on about, and if not, well it dont matter anyway!!) :o