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maccardel
Feb 17th, 2003, 12:54 PM
Well Venus won Antwerp against a player who was up against her sis 4-0, then Serena comes back and wins.

Now Venus goes up to 4-1 but Clijsters comes back and looks to even the match then Venus suddenly wins ending all hope...was Venus paying Clijsters back for that OZ semifinal match?


I know a lot of people gonna be upset at the question but just wanna ask.

-Sonic-
Feb 17th, 2003, 01:18 PM
oh please.

tennisfan1972
Feb 17th, 2003, 01:56 PM
LMAO

The Crow
Feb 17th, 2003, 02:13 PM
lmfao.

This is not a good example for the "it's pride, not arrogance" case.

Hendouble
Feb 17th, 2003, 02:20 PM
Well, dominant though she may be, I doubt even Venus can influence the score of a match in so detailed a manner. Clijsters' fight-back did, however, emphasise the problem she faces against the Williams sisters; whether she'd ahead or behind in the match, and even if she has the backing of the crowd as she did here and at the AO, she can never actually close out the win.

Ironic, of course, that her notable win over Serena in the WTA Championships final came before an American crowd, but I sensed when watching it that their attitude was a little ambivalent; I think they were supporting Kim as the match went on, simply because they realised what a gloriously improbable win it would be if she could do it.

TS
Feb 17th, 2003, 02:22 PM
Thanks, I needed a good laugh :D

TeeRexx
Feb 17th, 2003, 02:28 PM
Yeah, VENUS was putting a message in the brain of the Belgian that will last a lifetime.
Just like they did to Cappy, Davey and Hingis. :)

leslie
Feb 17th, 2003, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by Hendouble
Well, dominant though she may be, I doubt even Venus can influence the score of a match in so detailed a manner. Clijsters' fight-back did, however, emphasise the problem she faces against the Williams sisters; whether she'd ahead or behind in the match, and even if she has the backing of the crowd as she did here and at the AO, she can never actually close out the win.

Ironic, of course, that her notable win over Serena in the WTA Championships final came before an American crowd, but I sensed when watching it that their attitude was a little ambivalent; I think they were supporting Kim as the match went on, simply because they realised what a gloriously improbable win it would be if she could do it.

What really amazes me is when you people find excues for the Americans when they support white forign(sp) players over their own Venus & Serena. There can be no excuse in this world for that abhorent behavior. Every country support their own under any circumstance except this racist America that is only if the opponents are black. I give Venus and Serena a lot of credit because I were in their position I would not play the Fed Cup. Why support a country that does not support me.

GoGoMaggie
Feb 17th, 2003, 02:31 PM
What does vendictive mean?

Serena y Monica
Feb 17th, 2003, 02:53 PM
gogo et. al would be grammer teachers...does it make you feel in some manner superior if you point out anothers spelling error?

TeeRexx
Feb 17th, 2003, 02:55 PM
Great post Leslie.

sartrista7
Feb 17th, 2003, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by leslie
What really amazes me is when you people find excues for the Americans when they support white forign(sp) players over their own Venus & Serena. There can be no excuse in this world for that abhorent behavior. Every country support their own under any circumstance except this racist America that is only if the opponents are black. I give Venus and Serena a lot of credit because I were in their position I would not play the Fed Cup. Why support a country that does not support me.

Do you support Jennifer Capriati under any circumstances? :D

Hendouble
Feb 17th, 2003, 02:57 PM
Good point leslie, but give the American crowd their due; I suspect even they want to see a little more competition at the top of the women's game and once in a while see someone who can beat the Williamses; not least of all, the other American players on the tour whom they support just as much when they see them play in matches.

Also, I have a feeling that people realised very early on during that final that Clijsters was in with a decent chance against Serena from the first few games, and she is very popular around the world even if she isn't American. And besides, they probably thought that Serena could do without winning the championships again that year, having won three out of four Slams in 2002, another five titles and finished the year undisputed world no. 1!

Oh, and I believe it's a misspelling of vindictive, gogomaggie.

GoGoMaggie
Feb 17th, 2003, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by Serena y Monica
gogo et. al would be grammer teachers...does it make you feel in some manner superior if you point out anothers spelling error?

No no...you are misunderstanding me. I seriously asked the meaning of the word as I couldnt find it in my dictionary. I would be too flattered if I really had pointed out the mistake.. No..so what does it mean??

by the way, I'm trying to become an english teacher in my country.

starr
Feb 17th, 2003, 03:14 PM
Leslie,

I think you are barking up the wrong tree. I have never supported Sampras or Agassi even when they are playing against foreign opponents -- or maybe especially when they are playing against foreign opponents. When Chris Evert was supreme, I rooted for Evonne. I loved Evonne and I didn't care for Chris. I ALWAYS wanted Bjorn Borg to demolish Jimmy Connors.

The only American born top player that I can think of off the top of my head that I adored and always wanted to win was Arthur Ashe. I loved that man. I still remember his Wimbledon win against Connors. Ashe was fabulous. I still get gushy about him. There will probably never be his like again in this world. What a special human being he was. I still miss everything about him.

I'm not arguing that America isn't racist. It is a great sadness for me that I probably won't live to see the end of that great injustice in America. All I am saying is that it seems I have always cheered for foreign tennis players over Americans.

I write this seriously to you, Leslie, because I feel the hurt under the anger in your post.

leslie
Feb 17th, 2003, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by starr
Leslie,

I think you are barking up the wrong tree. I have never supported Sampras or Agassi even when they are playing against foreign opponents -- or maybe especially when they are playing against foreign opponents. When Chris Evert was supreme, I rooted for Evonne. I loved Evonne and I didn't care for Chris. I ALWAYS wanted Bjorn Borg to demolish Jimmy Connors.

The only American born top player that I can think of off the top of my head that I adored and always wanted to win was Arthur Ashe. I loved that man. I still remember his Wimbledon win against Connors. Ashe was fabulous. I still get gushy about him. There will probably never be his like again in this world. What a special human being he was. I still miss everything about him.

I'm not arguing that America isn't racist. It is a great sadness for me that I probably won't live to see the end of that great injustice in America. All I am saying is that it seems I have always cheered for foreign tennis players over Americans.

I write this seriously to you, Leslie, because I feel the hurt under the anger in your post.

Starr, to be honest with you this post was not for you. It was a general post. But I am glad you understand how I feel. To this day I cannot watch the U.S. Open between Amelie and Venus that always bring tears to my eyes. Whenever I watch it I fast forward to when Venus was down 40-0 and came back with thoes 5 booming serves, that is where I get my satisfaction. And I also imagine that is where V/S get their strength also. This country is truly sad.

Rae Q.
Feb 17th, 2003, 03:35 PM
You know it totally sucks that you're being so negative to Kim. Maybe you didn't notice but she's always cool and sweet to the other players including Serena (my fav) and Venus.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid51/p7dbadb73fd044c0bf009b3263ab9bd54/fca0a09f.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid51/p2981f825fa2ad3865a956878a2f41182/fca0a0d1.jpg

starr
Feb 17th, 2003, 03:39 PM
Yeah, Kim is a class person.

Infiniti2001
Feb 17th, 2003, 04:17 PM
I'd kill to have a back like Vee's ;) What were kim and serena up to????:eek:

BigTennisFan
Mar 19th, 2003, 04:07 AM
:D ;) ;) :D :D Ohhh. That's rich. :D :D :D

SerenaSlam
Mar 19th, 2003, 04:20 AM
if jennifer had a ligit circumstance, she would get support, but as you can see, jennifer has no reason to be supported, when you have her not wantin to "abide" by the rules which everyone else seems to do and not mind.

Leslie your post was speaking the truth and nothing but the truth. These people can come in here and say you are barking up the wrong tree, and say the have "never seen anything like people rooting against other races" The fact is, Tennis is an "all" white sport. Take a look a track and field, very diverse. And when you have Marion Jones, Gail Devers, Maurice Green out there running for USA, when their names are called when they are running, people are cheering for them, you see the fan base. Take the winter olympics, I can't remeber what even that black gurl was doing "i believe something w/ the seld" being the first black ever to win a "winter olympic medal" the people were really cheering for her and her parter. They were rooting her on all the way! Giving her props to the utmost extreme. Why do they not do this w/ venus/seren? Clearly we have a case, clealry we have the truth out, and when the truth comes out, all the time on this bull shit board, people try to ignore it, orgive "better" examples as to why the "truth" isn't true. Face it people we see it, we know its happening, we really can't do anything about it but speak our minds on it. I defenietly couldn't be on the tour, cauz i would be talking about how racsits it is to the extreme, and it would all be out there on the line. And of course the fans (white) definetly wouldn't appreciate that :)

1jackson2001
Mar 19th, 2003, 04:26 AM
LOL...nah I don't think Venus would do that...even though she is quite a crafty individual. ;)

vs1
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:05 AM
Gogomaggie...Vindictive means to be venegeful. To do back to someone what they did to you. To get revenge. Hope this helps. :)

Cybelle Darkholme
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:13 AM
You know it totally sucks that you're being so negative to Kim. Maybe you didn't notice but she's always cool and sweet to the other players including Serena (my fav) and Venus.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid51/p7dbadb73fd044c0bf009b3263ab9bd54/fca0a09f.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid51/p2981f825fa2ad3865a956878a2f41182/fca0a0d1.jpg

Caption First Picture: Kim: venus, I really like your sister and I'm sorry but I'm going to steal her away from you.

Caption Second Picture: Kim: screw Chris tucker! gimme soma that hot mama lovin'!

vs1
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:15 AM
LMAF!!! :drool:

TM
Mar 19th, 2003, 05:21 AM
Caption Second Picture: Kim: screw Chris tucker! gimme soma that hot mama lovin'!

LoL! oh no you di'ent...

Jakeev
Mar 19th, 2003, 07:06 AM
I find it amazing that for a caucasion woman, leslie is such an expert on racism in America.........

SerenaSlam you agree what leslie had to say but what about the rest of that mush you wrote?

You make so little sense it's mind boggling......

SerialKiller#69
Mar 19th, 2003, 10:39 AM
maybe she is. but what she really should be keen about is beating the player who's beating her - Serena.

Dawn Marie
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:00 AM
LMFAO! This is a funny ass thread!!! lmao

Nice pics of Vee's back.

gentenaire
Mar 19th, 2003, 11:18 AM
Thanks for the laugh.

maccardel
Mar 19th, 2003, 02:07 PM
LMFAO! This is a funny ass thread!!! lmao

Nice pics of Vee's back.

Thanks Dawn...I always try to go for the humor no matter how dry or sarcastic it may be.......lol....

tennis4life
Mar 20th, 2003, 02:13 AM
Ah :o Geeeeeeez...,

t4l

Bright Red
Mar 20th, 2003, 03:44 AM
I think the Williams Sister's games are so good that it just looks like they are exacting revenge. I don't think they are obsessed with anyone to feel that way.

I love the pics of Serena, Venus, and Kim. It looks likes WilliamsX3. All three are such nice, classy young ladies who seem to have a lot of respect for one another. They are great role models for people of all ages.