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kiwifan
Feb 17th, 2003, 07:44 AM
For a couple of years now I have heard this word arrogant thrown around by certain people.

They used to say they hated the Sisters because they are arrogant, now they say they hate the Sisters because their fans are arrogant. Well big f'in deal, somehow I think you will always have an excuse not to root for the best players in the game and hopefully they will break you little hater hearts over and over and over...

You say arrogance, I say PRIDE.

I believe those people are insecure, little twerps who can't just root for their faves; they need to moderate the way others, specifically Williams Fans root for their faves.

A lot of it is totally cultural (from Jack Johnson to Ali to "Prime Time" to Hip Hop battles, with a special mention for Darryl "Chocolate Thunder" Dawkins and Big Daddy Kane; if you don't know you betta go ask somebody)...

So what if someone posts that Venus "crushed" someone or "smacked the taste out of her mouth". Or Serena "spanked that ass" or my personal favorite gave someone "a free tennis lesson". Thats the way a lot of sports fans speak. If you want others to respect your culture you should respect ours. WE WILL TALK SOME SMACK!!! We will talk about kicking ass before matches and we will declare ass kicked when it is kicked after matches.

It's all in fun and if you don't like it...

...don't read it (actually you're all going to read it anyway because you haters are more obsessed with the sisters than their fans are).

I strongly encourage Williams fans to be loud and proud; don't apologize for being happy about a first round victory. Every win is a blessing.:worship: :worship: :worship:

Cheer for every victory no matter who they are beating because you know the whining ones will be cheering against the Williams Sisters no matter who they are playing.

Oh and definitely laugh at whoever you choose to (especially the usual suspects); it is only a tennis match after all.

And keep defending them against all the negativity out there (as aside, if the sisters "can't play doubles" what does that say about the rest of the WTA and doubles specialist in particular?).

I love the way haters are complaining that they can't criticize/insult the sisters in peace (boo f'in hoo).:p :p :p

Just what player on this board can you insult without expecting a rebuttal (by the way the answer to that question is Alexandra S. but be careful because she can beat your faves on any given day- and probably already has).:angel:

I also love the "Williams fans think that they win something when the Williams sisters win"...

...newsflash, we do win something; the euphoria of victory, the satisfaction of seeing our faves rise from a wacky guy's dream to the greatest players in the game. If you aren't enthusiastic and happy when your faves win, I pity you.

You need to lay off the "sour grapes". You have Indian Wells all to yourself, enjoy it. We all know the Sisters will lose again and suddenly it will be okay to celebrate victories again...

...hmmm

In closing, I'm damn proud that the last few slams have been "A Williams party and no one else is invited". When they lose I will be sad and when they win I will be happy. I've been smiling for a long long time. Its a PROUD smile.

All I care about is winning slams!!! Whether is was Chrissie E., Young Monica or the Williams Sisters.

I actually hope someone takes a couple of the warm ups tournies on clay so the sisters will be hungrier when the French rolls around. Oh who am I kidding, I never want the Sisters to lose other than to each other.

Here's to 10 more Sisterslams!!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: Bouncing with PRIDE!!!:worship: :worship: :worship:

Special shout out to Car Key Boi, I share your political outlook and wish some of these students could comprehend that the only way they get to hold hands and sing "Give Peace A Chance" is because the US has been playing world policeman.

I support their right to protest but I wish they would open thier eyes be it Nazis, Italian Fascists, Eastern Euro Commies, or scumbag terrorist supporters...

I guess they can't "Handle The Truth" as Jack would say.

Actually I am thinking more of Sam Kinison in "Back to School" and his Vietnam rant right now.

SAY IT!!! SAY IT!!! AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!

MartinaI
Feb 17th, 2003, 09:21 AM
Call it pride if you like but that doesn't change the fact that they ARE arrogant. And anyway what is so great about being proud, haven't you read Jane Austen's Pride & Prejudice?

GoGoMaggie
Feb 17th, 2003, 09:31 AM
Respecting your culture??? What about ours??

Dawn Marie
Feb 17th, 2003, 09:58 AM
gogomaggie well what about ours? Respect ours.:) Nobody is stopping you from being PRIDEFUL?

People who say V@S fans are arrogant, well just where in the hell were your silent keyboarding fingers when people said: V@S will NEVER win on clay, never win RG,never be 1, never win a title, slam tourney,never smile,don't shake hands, too arrogant. I don't recall people who claim arrogance NOW state anything about these arrogant comments. LOl, probably cause you were in my above example.:)

~ The Leopard ~
Feb 17th, 2003, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by kiwifan
So what if someone posts that Venus "crushed" someone or "smacked the taste out of her mouth". Or Serena "spanked that ass" or my personal favorite gave someone "a free tennis lesson". Thats the way a lot of sports fans speak.


This is a good thing? It sounds like sheer lack of grace and courtesy to me.

Dawn Marie
Feb 17th, 2003, 10:02 AM
No jouissant, it is good clean out your ears cause the sound you hear is wrong.

persond
Feb 17th, 2003, 10:03 AM
:D I've had plenty ass wuppings when I was a teenager and believe you me, none of them were particularly good. Hell, I didn't see too much "grace or courtesy", in those azzz wuppings either!!!

Hi Dawn:wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

TeeRexx
Feb 17th, 2003, 10:09 AM
jouissant - Let me make one thing quite clear, what I wite on these boards in no way reflects my demeanor when I attend a tennis match.

I saw matches in which Capriati and clijsters played one of my favorite players and at no time did I even consider being so rude and uncouth as to yell during their opponents serve or to cheer at their misshits.

To write on a web board that VENUS crushed a player is nowhere near being at that match and acting the way some fans do to the WILLIAMS.

I have been to several and seen many tennis events and I have only seen fans treat those two athletes in that rude manner.
Maybe when the stands are more diversified, as they were in L.A., those individuals will then better control themselves.

jay_k
Feb 17th, 2003, 10:26 AM
Its one thing to be" proud" about someone's achievement and another to be "arrogant" about it . However there is a thin line dividing the two and some Williams fans ( like fans of any other player ) always cross that line.

I don't see how asking a question like " Why don't they give the trophy" directly to Serena ? " (without having to play a tournament) shows that you are proud rather than arrogant about what Serena is doing .

gentenaire
Feb 17th, 2003, 10:27 AM
Yup, it's just pride. When I felt proud of my achievements at Uni I also went around and started laughing at those who don't have as high a diploma. "hahahahaha, I'm the best, I've got a Masters and you've only got a Bachelor"

I humiliated everyone else at Uni, I trounced them, I clobbered them, I crushed them, I taught all those worthless, useless dumb people a lesson.

but nooo, I'm not arrogant, only proud of my achievements.

Scorch
Feb 17th, 2003, 10:28 AM
Let me just throw something into the pot here…

Let’s pretend that we are all parents of children who play tennis for their high schools. Can you see where this is going?! So a group of parents take their children to a local tournament where teams of children from different high schools take each other on. At the end of the day the results are in and low and behold your child has done fantastically and has lead his/ her school to victory. You react to this by proclaiming to the other parent whose children have been beaten by your child “my boy/ girl really kicked your son’s/ daughter’s azz out there!” “He handed out a free tennis lesson” etc. Yes you may be saying these things because you are proud but is it really graceful and sportsman like?

A parent complains to you “don’t get in my face telling me how your son/ daughter kicked my son’s/ daughter’s azz”
You reply “I am showing my pride in them. It is my culture. If you don’t like it don’t listen.”
The annoyed parent retaliates “well if you are going to express your ‘culture’ in this way then I am going to call it what it is….arrogant. If you don’t like that then don’t listen to it.”

Do you see the catch 22 here? Rude in-your-face behaviour can be attributed to pride and culture but it does not change the fact that it is rude.

I actually believe that much of the ‘enthusiastic’ reaction of William sisters fans when their favs win is in retaliation to some of the more disrespectful posts that non-Williams fans post constantly. The problem here is that there is an amount of ‘stooping to their level’ and people who have nothing to do with these disrespectful posts become offended by this bravado.

Raisin
Feb 17th, 2003, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by Beggin' Beguine
Yup, it's just pride. When I felt proud of my achievements at Uni I also went around and started laughing at those who don't have as high a diploma. "hahahahaha, I'm the best, I've got a Masters and you've only got a Bachelor"

I humiliated everyone else at Uni, I trounced them, I clobbered them, I crushed them, I taught all those worthless, useless dumb people a lesson.

but nooo, I'm not arrogant, only proud of my achievements.

You feel humiliated on a tennis board?:eek:

Dawn Marie
Feb 17th, 2003, 10:41 AM
Huh? This is a mere message board and many people have been arrogant and PRIDEFUL in here since whenever, but please spare me the ONLY THE WILLIAMS FANS ARE ARROGANT routine. All this V@S fans and arrogance is only making you look too damn arrogant! I know 0000 is arrogant, and QL,and gogomaggie and Bigtennisfan, and car key boi. Noticed that I named names instead of stating certain fans are arrogant.

p.s. My advice is to either ignore the certain poster or debate your ass off with them in many threads.

Scorch, the last 3 sentences are correct but people should not sit silently by either. Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, yah better talk that crap and gloat!

GO V!

Chance
Feb 17th, 2003, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by TeeRexx
jouissant - Let me make one thing quite clear, what I write on these boards in no way reflects my demeanor when I attend a tennis match.

I saw matches in which Capriati and clijsters played one of my favorite players and at no time did I even consider being so rude and uncouth as to yell during their opponents serve or to cheer at their misshits.

To write on a web board that VENUS crushed a player is nowhere near being at that match and acting the way some fans do to the WILLIAMS.



Well that's good to hear, TR but sometimes it can get annoying
when you read words like crush/kill etc to describe a defeat because sometimes the scorelines doesn't necessarily reflect the quality of the match (It's even harder to judge the match, when you haven't seen it)and it's demeaning to the opponent's fans.

I remember when Vee lost to Maleeva in Moscow- someone said she got crushed and I found that irritating(Venus lost 7-6 in the 3rd) but I guess at the end of the day it's just words.....
It's what you do and not what you say that counts .
Maybe I'm being too sensitive

:wavey:
:)

GoGoMaggie
Feb 17th, 2003, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by Dawn Marie
Huh? This is a mere message board and many people have been arrogant and PRIDEFUL in here since whenever, but please spare me the ONLY THE WILLIAMS FANS ARE ARROGANT routine. All this V@S fans and arrogance is only making you look too damn arrogant! I know 0000 is arrogant, and QL,and gogomaggie and Bigtennisfan, and car key boi. Noticed that I named names instead of stating certain fans are arrogant.

p.s. My advice is to either ignore the certain poster or debate your ass off with them in many threads.

Scorch, the last 3 sentences are correct but people should not sit silently by either. Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, yah better talk that crap and gloat!

GO V!

Dawn, give me a bloody break. What makes you think I'm arrogant? I dont know what your definition of "arrogance" is but according to mine, I'm not qualified as "arrogant".
to accuse someone of being arrogant means I'm arrogant too?? wow that s something I've never heard all my life.. but thank you very much for this new information. I really appreciate it.

ayanate
Feb 17th, 2003, 11:12 AM
I had no idea that one tennis player crushing another was as bad as failing your exams, talk about taking a game too seriously.

Pureracket
Feb 17th, 2003, 12:38 PM
Here are three titles to links to stories from the CnnSi website:
• Knicks' Houston torches Shaq-less Lakers for 53
• Duncan dunks Kings as Spurs' road run continues
• No. 9 Kansas routs Iowa State, takes Big 12 lead

I'm wondering why tennis fans seem to be the only ones in the world who have to have cute and nice titles to describe one player's victory over the other.

tennisfan1972
Feb 17th, 2003, 12:53 PM
LMAO@ Pure Racket

Good one.

::LISTENS AS A PIN DROPS::

tennisfan1972
Feb 17th, 2003, 12:54 PM
OMG MY TEAM GOT DUNKED!!!
::CRIES UNCONTROLLABLY::

servenrichie
Feb 17th, 2003, 01:03 PM
You may search forever Pureracket. You see, a lot of the rules changed the day the Williamses took over. When they were loosing, you'd see so many threads and articles on this board, gulp!, explaning how they cant play tennis, because they dont have tennis brains, because they can only hit hard.They cant play on clay and would never win the French Open, Rebound ace is their weakness etc. Fastforward it to 4 years later, they have mastered the game, they have won everything, breaking records and barriers. So now people think it is time to teach their fans how to celebrate gracefully. What junk! What bullshit! You dont like how we celebrate? Stick it!
No amount of insult would change anything. I am very sure, when your favourites start winning, you'd rub it in even worse, so i say again stick it!

:wavey: good thread Kiwifan !

gentenaire
Feb 17th, 2003, 01:10 PM
Why don't you people start a cult? Ask money, elect Tee as your divine leader.

Not too long ago (Mauresmo-Serena final), I responded right away to arrogance of a certain Williams fan, pointed out that his was exactly what people are talking about when they say lots of Williams fans are arrogant. The sad truth is that quite a few simply are.

The Crow
Feb 17th, 2003, 01:14 PM
There's a fine line between both. Most are truely proud and happy their fav won, others, well...

TeeRexx
Feb 17th, 2003, 01:25 PM
Beggin - You are so right. I have been trying to get theses cheap WILLIAMS fans to start sending me dough for years now and I still have not received a single penney. :)

I even told Dawn that I would take it in trade but dstill no deal. :eek:

I guess most of you whiners have never read a sporst page or gone to a sports web sit and saw the awful words "crushed' , "destroyed", "cooked" or "overpowered"?

Poor thing. You must read more than this MB then. :)

Tee Rexx, cult leader. :wavey:

Scorch
Feb 17th, 2003, 01:26 PM
As I alluded to earlier, Venus fans are entitled to celebrate how they like and similarly people are entitled to criticise how they choose to celebrate. Free speech for all!

And I just want to say it again, if any poster's soul aim of writing inflamatory threads and posts is to exact 'revenge' on other posters who have annoyed them in the past then...

it is IMMATURITY not pride

:)

Aloysius
Feb 17th, 2003, 01:29 PM
You can be proud and not resort to putting other people or players down. You can be proud and not be a gloater or a "bad winner". As far as arrogance is concerned, no one has anything to be arrogant about. Fans sure as hell don't win the tennis matches - the player do! So why would a fan think they're better than anyone else when they've done nothing to produce the outcome of a match? It's all a lot of childish nonsense. Let the players do their job and just have fun cheering on your favourite players. Most of all, LEAVE EACH OTHER ALONE!

Hendouble
Feb 17th, 2003, 01:35 PM
Sheesh, this board is starting to resemble the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the Middle East; one side attacks the other for what it sees as their inflammatory actions, the other responds in kind because it is threatened, and both parties have long since forgotten who started the conflict in the first place. We should all stop getting so worked up over the issue of a couple of tall women with a taste for catsuits and mismatched earrings, and that includes my own attitude as well, which I will now do the best to change from henceforth.

Then again, TeeRex would probably tell me that neo-Nazis aren't really qualified to pass judgement on global conflict, wouldn't he?

ptkten
Feb 17th, 2003, 01:35 PM
I'm just surprised everyone here gets so sensitive. I don't think you realize that almost all the posts that the Williams fans make that are "arrogant" are all posted in fun and to get everyone riled up. In the U.S., people joke around with each other; for example,if your favorite team was the Lakers you will say well the Lakers are going to win anyway, so just give them the trophy. It's not like your being personal or arrogant towards the other teams or players, you just are trying to make fun of your friends who support the other team. It makes for fun conversation. I think it's funny seeing people who take sports so personally. I wish more people acted like the Williams fans and are confident about their players. It would make for a lot more interesting message board. Now, if it's not the case in your culture then don't worry about it, just ignore the threads, you don't have to go in them.

sartrista7
Feb 17th, 2003, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by kiwifan
So what if someone posts that Venus "crushed" someone or "smacked the taste out of her mouth". Or Serena "spanked that ass" or my personal favorite gave someone "a free tennis lesson". Thats the way a lot of sports fans speak. If you want others to respect your culture you should respect ours. WE WILL TALK SOME SMACK!!! We will talk about kicking ass before matches and we will declare ass kicked when it is kicked after matches.


The problem with this is not that it is arrogant/prideful/whatever. Arrogance is good, especially if you've got something to be arrogant about. Mmm. No... it's just rather vulgar. And in many cases inaccurate. But blah, it's not as if I care very much.

TeeRexx
Feb 17th, 2003, 01:42 PM
Sarista - If you do not care then why post?

Do you want me to crush you or something?
Maybe I will just smack your ass down smack you up.
Or biatch slap you for not being sincere.

I know that most of you are just going through the initial depression of seeing V&S slap your faves around. :)

Join the Williams Tennis Association (WTA) and end all of the pain, my friends.

LOL :)

sartrista7
Feb 17th, 2003, 01:45 PM
Tee - rest assured that in no sense of the word could you ever crush me :)

I was very, very happy to see Venus slap Kim around yesterday :D She's just far too good for Kim.

TeeRexx
Feb 17th, 2003, 01:48 PM
Saris - Ok, then I won't have to crush you then. :)

sartrista7
Feb 17th, 2003, 01:54 PM
Not that you could anyway :)

leslie
Feb 17th, 2003, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by kiwifan
For a couple of years now I have heard this word arrogant thrown around by certain people.

They used to say they hated the Sisters because they are arrogant, now they say they hate the Sisters because their fans are arrogant. Well big f'in deal, somehow I think you will always have an excuse not to root for the best players in the game and hopefully they will break you little hater hearts over and over and over...

You say arrogance, I say PRIDE.

I believe those people are insecure, little twerps who can't just root for their faves; they need to moderate the way others, specifically Williams Fans root for their faves.

A lot of it is totally cultural (from Jack Johnson to Ali to "Prime Time" to Hip Hop battles, with a special mention for Darryl "Chocolate Thunder" Dawkins and Big Daddy Kane; if you don't know you betta go ask somebody)...

So what if someone posts that Venus "crushed" someone or "smacked the taste out of her mouth". Or Serena "spanked that ass" or my personal favorite gave someone "a free tennis lesson". Thats the way a lot of sports fans speak. If you want others to respect your culture you should respect ours. WE WILL TALK SOME SMACK!!! We will talk about kicking ass before matches and we will declare ass kicked when it is kicked after matches.

It's all in fun and if you don't like it...

...don't read it (actually you're all going to read it anyway because you haters are more obsessed with the sisters than their fans are).

I strongly encourage Williams fans to be loud and proud; don't apologize for being happy about a first round victory. Every win is a blessing.:worship: :worship: :worship:

Cheer for every victory no matter who they are beating because you know the whining ones will be cheering against the Williams Sisters no matter who they are playing.

Oh and definitely laugh at whoever you choose to (especially the usual suspects); it is only a tennis match after all.

And keep defending them against all the negativity out there (as aside, if the sisters "can't play doubles" what does that say about the rest of the WTA and doubles specialist in particular?).

I love the way haters are complaining that they can't criticize/insult the sisters in peace (boo f'in hoo).:p :p :p

Just what player on this board can you insult without expecting a rebuttal (by the way the answer to that question is Alexandra S. but be careful because she can beat your faves on any given day- and probably already has).:angel:

I also love the "Williams fans think that they win something when the Williams sisters win"...

...newsflash, we do win something; the euphoria of victory, the satisfaction of seeing our faves rise from a wacky guy's dream to the greatest players in the game. If you aren't enthusiastic and happy when your faves win, I pity you.

You need to lay off the "sour grapes". You have Indian Wells all to yourself, enjoy it. We all know the Sisters will lose again and suddenly it will be okay to celebrate victories again...

...hmmm

In closing, I'm damn proud that the last few slams have been "A Williams party and no one else is invited". When they lose I will be sad and when they win I will be happy. I've been smiling for a long long time. Its a PROUD smile.

All I care about is winning slams!!! Whether is was Chrissie E., Young Monica or the Williams Sisters.

I actually hope someone takes a couple of the warm ups tournies on clay so the sisters will be hungrier when the French rolls around. Oh who am I kidding, I never want the Sisters to lose other than to each other.

Here's to 10 more Sisterslams!!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: Bouncing with PRIDE!!!:worship: :worship: :worship:

Special shout out to Car Key Boi, I share your political outlook and wish some of these students could comprehend that the only way they get to hold hands and sing "Give Peace A Chance" is because the US has been playing world policeman.

I support their right to protest but I wish they would open thier eyes be it Nazis, Italian Fascists, Eastern Euro Commies, or scumbag terrorist supporters...

I guess they can't "Handle The Truth" as Jack would say.

Actually I am thinking more of Sam Kinison in "Back to School" and his Vietnam rant right now.

SAY IT!!! SAY IT!!! AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!

I LOVE THIS POST. It is so true and I shall rejoice each time they win.

Rae Q.
Feb 17th, 2003, 02:45 PM
We talked about this on another thread a little while back. I totally think it's an American thing to tease your rivals and what not. In high school and now in college for me it's just part of the crazy fun of sports. Sometimes you're on the winning side and it's just for fun where you're throwing it in your rival's face and sometimes you're on the losing side and you just gotta take all the trash talking and stuff. I know some ppl get carried away but for the most part it's just showing spirit for your fav player or team. Yeah it's awesome to be all good sportmanship like about it but for humor's sake and not to take things so seriously it's fun to just make a little fun. It's kinda healthy I think when you've been the one doing the teasing and then the one being teased. Some of the losses are hard to take no doubt but the teasing puts things in perspective that at the end of the day it's just a game. :)

starr
Feb 17th, 2003, 02:56 PM
I think that the younger generation does that quite a bit. I think young people in general aren't aware of the power of words. I don't think it is an "American thing."

I think that people who have been hurt want to hurt back.

I think that this is responsible for all of the hideousness in the world. I think that because the U.S. was very hurt on September 11 and because the leaders of this country felt humiliated that they now feel it necessary to go bomb some poor people in the Middle East who had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Anyway, that is what I think.

I think fun and good humor and laughing is the way out of most of it, so I poke fun.

Now. I'm not going to be serious anymore today!!

ptkten
Feb 17th, 2003, 02:59 PM
I totally agree Rae Q

Infiniti2001
Feb 17th, 2003, 03:08 PM
You know, I am so sick of faceless individuals on an internet messageboard telling me how I should act/behave... I've been a fan of Venus Williams from the time she was a nobody ( even though there was so much hype surrounding her). I've seen her mature from a player with raw tennis skills who has paid her dues to a wonderful champion --- so excuse me if the way I celebrate her victories is unbecoming:fiery:

starr
Feb 17th, 2003, 03:13 PM
Yeah, that's kind of funny isn't it? Venus was almost never a nobody. :)

I thought Venus and Serena were darling early on. I was actually a fan. But... like with Pete Sampras... familiarity did not breed love.

But I do know what it is like to follow a tennis player from obscurity to the heights. It's glorious.

Infiniti2001
Feb 17th, 2003, 03:24 PM
Starr, a nobody as far as on the tennis court .. Sure she had some impressive wins--- but I knew she had to travel a looooooooooong road ..

P.S. I resisted her at first, but the hatred which was spewed her way from way back forced me to embrace her :)

Rocketta
Feb 17th, 2003, 03:41 PM
My fav complaint is when they say "I don't think you'll should root for a bagel, I would never root for my fav player to do that" :rolleyes:

Man, If I got upset everytime someone gloated or ragged on my fav when they lost I would be one lost soul. Shoot some of the people in hear couldn't handle a simple game of spades on a college campus with all the whinning they do. Man the names and gloating we did when we won a game of spades pales in comparison to "gloating" that goes on here.

I mean really some people need to toughen up a little. I mean when people say their win isn't your win that's true but so is the fact that if someone is gloating over their favs win they are not gloating over you cause you are not your fav so why get upset? Its like if you shouldn't derive that much satisfaction out of your favs win then you shouldn't derive that much pain out of your favs loss and the potential gloating either.

Hendouble
Feb 17th, 2003, 03:52 PM
Erm, could you rephrase that last paragraph so it makes some sense, please? I believe it's missing a little something called punctuation, without which it is just a meaningless mess.

BombsAway
Feb 17th, 2003, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by Hendouble
Erm, could you rephrase that last paragraph so it makes some sense, please? I believe it's missing a little something called punctuation, without which it is just a meaningless mess.

You need to get a life!

kiwifan
Feb 17th, 2003, 05:02 PM
Woke up just a little while ago (its a holiday in Los Angeles) but I just wanted to say, thank you to those who get it. I don't remember exactly who said what but the card game analogy and the sports headlines analogy were right on point of what I mean when I say it is cultural. When I said it was all in fun (a point that some of you need to re-read about a dozen times) the Laker analogy was awesome. I am not a Laker fan, although I love Shaq (The Big Aristotle) but you know you can't bring up any hoops around a Laker fan even though they are having a crap year so far (yes I still think they will win it all once the damn playoffs start) but if I got mad when they dissed other teams, I'd be missing the point completely.

I'm running on here but I will add that when I lived in Atlanta you could just go out to the courts without knowing anyone and get out of your car and yell, "Who needs a tennis lesson?" and at least 3 guys whould yell back, "I give lessons, Junior!" or something like that and you got a match.

Like I said its cultural.

Doing it at the juniors depends on the participants. If they have a stick up their asses then obviously you don't even want to talk to those people (probably little moonballing robots anyway) let alone joke about the game. If they are cool then you joke. Yes I do think many of the posters on this board need to lighten up and extract that stick.

I know I'm missing someone (and mis-spelling names), but Ayanate, Pureracket (too funny), Ptkten, Servenrichie, tennisfan1972, leslie, Rae Q., Infiniti2001, Rocketta, "Fighting" Dawn Marie and "Funny" Tee Rexx...

...thank you for getting it and helping to explain my point; keep up the Williams Pride!!!

Those of you who posted in the negative, I strongly encourage you to re-read the thread. If you can't see the humor, that it's all in good fun then its really your problem, not ours.

Lighten up.

We ain't changin' and you can either join in the fun or sit on the wall and watch the party passing you by.

I would totally think it was funny if a Loit fan (if there are any out there) posted a "Look out Serena, Loit's gonna finish the job next time" thread or something like that. Of course Williams fans will dive in a talk smack; but that's sports.

Sure sometimes trash talk blows up in your face; a certain Kim C. fan celebrating an Aussie O. semi-final victory a little prematurely comes to mind, but that was possibly the funniest moment on the boards during the Aussie O.

Oh well don't want to waste the whole day on the computer...

so why don't we just hand the next 5 grand slam trophies to the Williams Sisters and let them duke it out in the back yard to see which side of the trophy room is their final resting place?

I hear Venus is better in the back yard but Serena cheats if no one is looking...

Rocketta
Feb 17th, 2003, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by Hendouble
Erm, could you rephrase that last paragraph so it makes some sense, please? I believe it's missing a little something called punctuation, without which it is just a meaningless mess.

eh, no I'm not going to rephase the last paragrah if you didn't understand it too bad!

Are you ever going to grow some cajones and discuss an issue instead of hiding behind your overpriced education?

Martian KC
Feb 17th, 2003, 06:14 PM
Well, if your life is dependent on the success of your favorite player(that's sad), than you have the right to be arrogant.

Kart
Feb 17th, 2003, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by Beggin' Beguine
Yup, it's just pride. When I felt proud of my achievements at Uni I also went around and started laughing at those who don't have as high a diploma. "hahahahaha, I'm the best, I've got a Masters and you've only got a Bachelor"

I humiliated everyone else at Uni, I trounced them, I clobbered them, I crushed them, I taught all those worthless, useless dumb people a lesson.

but nooo, I'm not arrogant, only proud of my achievements.

That post is priceless :D.

This thread on the other hand, predictable. Still I pretty much agree with the initial post. One thing though - it's a bit hard to argue that you are defending against negativity if you're talking smack. That's not defence it's offence, and unnecessary really - unless you're into gloating.

DunkMachine
Feb 18th, 2003, 08:16 AM
Hi peeps, this will be my first post on this great messageboard so I'd like to say "hi first" :wavey:

I agree with Rocketta. I think people on this board take all the boasting a bit too personally.

I believe that when people get angry when others gloat they're hatin' because they can't refute the fact that that Fav is reigning supreme.

Informative
Feb 18th, 2003, 08:19 AM
Great post kiwifan! I agree 100%

Rocketta
Feb 18th, 2003, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by DunkMachine
Hi peeps, this will be my first post on this great messageboard so I'd like to say "hi first" :wavey:

I agree with Rocketta. I think people on this board take all the boasting a bit too personally.

I believe that when people get angry when others gloat they're hatin' because they can't refute the fact that that Fav is reigning supreme.

Hey I'm totally honored to be mentioned in your very first post! :wavey:

kiwifan
Feb 18th, 2003, 07:58 PM
Thanks Informative and welcome to the boards DunkMachine (I name-checked the true "dunking machine" Darryl Dawkins earlier in this thread and last night HBO said they are doing a story on him next week - very odd but welcome coincidences coming together at one time. I also name-checked the Big Daddy Kane and on the way back from tennis at USC this weekend they played, "Ain't No Half Steppin" by the Daddy and I hadn't heard that on the radio - well possibly ever! And I won at tennis 4-6,6-3,7-5 so in my tennis world things are good).

To paraphrase Big Daddy Kane:

"Awww yeah, ya don't stop...

It's 2003...

...and all about Rena and Vee.

Peace."