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selesrules
Feb 16th, 2003, 06:03 PM
Do you agree?

Rtael
Feb 16th, 2003, 06:06 PM
no =)

I don't know exactly which players your considering....all time? or just those players? Arantxa should be ahead of Venus and Serena , definitely (and martina too in my opinion), Venus and Serena I believe are better players, but since Venus and Serena' career is just beginning you can't really compare them against Arantxa's career =P

selesrules
Feb 16th, 2003, 06:07 PM
yeah just those players...

Venus Forever
Feb 16th, 2003, 06:10 PM
Out of those players, right now, here is my list:

Serena > Hingis > Venus > Arantxa > Davenport > Jenny > Mary > Gaby > Conchi

Monica_Rules
Feb 16th, 2003, 06:22 PM
I'd put Gabi ahead of Mary

Kart
Feb 16th, 2003, 06:52 PM
Gaby > everyone else of course :rolleyes:.

Ryan
Feb 16th, 2003, 07:09 PM
Lol Kart.


I'd keep your list the same except switch Hingis and Serena around. Serena has done more in her short career, IMO.

selesrules
Feb 16th, 2003, 07:10 PM
Well I put Hingis before because even though they have same amount of slams, Hingis has many more weeks at no.1 and many more titles.

Venus Forever
Feb 16th, 2003, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by selesrules
Well I put Hingis before because even though they have same amount of slams, Hingis has many more weeks at no.1 and many more titles.

Yeah, but when people look back, they don't look back at weeks #1 or more titles, they look at the GS's and which one's you won.

Serena won them all, Martina didn't, and that's what everyone else will see.

selesrules
Feb 16th, 2003, 07:44 PM
yeah but Hingis reached 6 consecutive australian open finals which is an incredible feat including a triple crown. Serena has never defended a title. There are many other factors... Also Hingis reached the finals of the French it's not THAT different from winning, it's not as if she litteraly sucked at the french.

Rolling-Thunder
Feb 16th, 2003, 09:23 PM
I think it is possible and appropriate to rank V&S ahead of Arantxa. Venus' win today matches her total number of titles with those earned by Arantxa. It would be safe to say that she will well eclipse Arantxa over the next couple of years. She has already matched her with Slams, total titles and is just one week shy of her # of weeks at #1. Arantxa never had anything like Venus' 35 match-winning run.

Serena has already surpassed Arantxa in Slams won, is not that far from the same number of total titles. She has nearly tripled Arantxa's # of weeks at #1. Serena ended a year as the #1 player where Arantxa never did. Serena's four Slams in a row is something few have accomplished.

Just my thoughts...but each player had or is having a wonderful career worthy of the Tennis Hall of Fame with a distinct playing style and personality.

Venus Forever
Feb 16th, 2003, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by selesrules
yeah but Hingis reached 6 consecutive australian open finals which is an incredible feat including a triple crown. Serena has never defended a title. There are many other factors... Also Hingis reached the finals of the French it's not THAT different from winning, it's not as if she litteraly sucked at the french.

But again, people and sports analyist and tennis analyist will not look back and say, well, she got to the final, so that's just as good. Or think, well, she got to the Oz Final 6 years in a row. I know I won't be thinking of that.

When people look back, they look at what GS they won, not by what finals they reached. That's just the way it goes.

And also, if you notice when Navratilova first came back, they didn't mention how many weeks at #1, but rather how many GS she won. People do not refer to Graf as the person with the most weeks at #1, but as the person with the most GS titles in singles in the open era.

Volcana
Feb 16th, 2003, 09:40 PM
Intentionally or otherwise, you ordered them by number of GS titles won.

5 Hingis >
5 Serena >
4 Venus >
4 Arantxa >
3 Davy >
3 Jenny >
2 Mary >
1 Gaby >
1 Conchi

You also failed to say if this is career, or who beats who on best day. And is it singles only, or tennis?

Career, tennis, there's nothing wrong with your list, except Conchi belongs ahead of Gaby. Martina leads Serena in GS doubles titles 9 - 8, and that's a fine tie-breaker if you're talking tennis, not just singles.

Singles only, each during their best year, on a good day?

Serena > Venus > Hingis > Arantxa > Davy > Jenny > Mary > Gaby > Conchi

I almost put Davey over ASV, but then I thought, the Arantxa who won RG in 1998 was already several steps slower than she was at her peak. At her best I think she'd have run down everything Lindsay could throw at her.

I'd LOVE to see ASV at her best play Serena. Serena may think Venus and Kim make her hit a lot of shots. Arantxa was a human backboard. That match would be some fun.

BTW, Venus over Martina on their best day is a tough case to make. To my eyes, Martina 1997 was way faster than Martina 2000+. And they both like to rally til they get something to exploit.

If Venus serves the lights out, its all over.

If Venus has a good not great serving day, say 7 aces, 3 DFs, and her winners are about eqaul to UEs, the Martina 1997 would win a lot. Like 50% of the time. So I'm putting Venus ahead of Martina, but if you want to argue the other way, you won't get much grief from me. I do remember what Maritna was.

Rolling-Thunder
Feb 17th, 2003, 05:50 AM
Serena>Hingis>Venus>Davey>Arantxa>Jenny>Mary>Cochi>Gaby

But only time will tell...

Robbie.
Feb 17th, 2003, 05:55 AM
IMO Davenport's singles career is greater than ASV's

hingis-seles
Feb 17th, 2003, 06:36 AM
Hingis > Serena > Venus > Arantxa > Davenport > Jenny > Mary > Conchita > Gaby

tennisfan1972
Feb 17th, 2003, 06:44 AM
Great Thread

At this point i would have to order them as such.

Hingis > Serena > Venus > Arantxa > Davy > Jenny > Mary > Conchi>Gaby

However in a year or so i think it would look more like

Serena > Venus > Hingis > Arantxa > Davy > Jenny > Mary > Gaby > Conchi

GoGoMaggie
Feb 17th, 2003, 06:50 AM
Serena > Hingis > Venus > Arantxa > Lindsay > Gabby > Conchi > Mary

FP
Feb 17th, 2003, 06:56 AM
totally agree with ur list selesrules

Messenger
Feb 17th, 2003, 10:01 AM
So where would we squeeze Novotna? In between Gaby and Conchi? Poor Majoli, she's the worst winner ever ;)

GoGoMaggie
Feb 17th, 2003, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by Messenger
So where would we squeeze Novotna? In between Gaby and Conchi? Poor Majoli, she's the worst winner ever ;)

Iva should be considered at least better than Johanson.;)

bilal
Feb 17th, 2003, 10:40 AM
You can throw in a certain Jana Novotna in there as well...

irma
Feb 17th, 2003, 10:47 AM
Sabatini, Novotna, Martinez

as said on BFTP it's about consistency (not from the players but in the arguement about who is the best and who not)

persond
Feb 17th, 2003, 10:56 AM
Serena
Hingis
Venus
Arantxa
Lindsay
Capriati
Pierce
Conchi
Gaby
Novotna

Although, Hingis has more time in at No.1 and more titles (for now), I strongly feel Serena's career slam should be ordered higher. Additionally, Serena does hold the career slam in doubles as well. Just my opine!!!

Serendy Willick
Feb 17th, 2003, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by selesrules
yeah but Hingis reached 6 consecutive australian open finals which is an incredible feat including a triple crown. Serena has never defended a title. There are many other factors... Also Hingis reached the finals of the French it's not THAT different from winning, it's not as if she litteraly sucked at the french.


Then what in the heck is the point of playing the final of any GS then with this logic?