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Hulet
Feb 15th, 2003, 11:51 PM
[notice the big "IF"]
...what would you think the most important reason for her loss would be?

1)That she hasn't recovered from her "sickness"
2)That there is still a big talent gap between her and Venus
3)That there is too much pressure from the home crowd
4)That she hasn't recovered from her mental collapse at the AO semi
5)Other reason.

I think number (1) doesn't fly b/c we can see from the score of her matches today that she is more than okay. Although we have heared how kim has narrowed the gap b/n her and the sisters (and I think that is true), number (2) is plausible reason for her potential loss. Number (3) and (4) are too psychological for me so I don't know.
If you have think Number (5), please state why she would lose to venus. Thanks.

tennisfan1972
Feb 16th, 2003, 12:24 AM
Because venus played better? had more break? Served well? Maybe kim made too many errors?Too passive?

starr
Feb 16th, 2003, 12:28 AM
No. It will be because Kim is sick.

Or it will be because Kim is tired... like a 95 year old woman in a 20 year old body.

Or it will be because she ate some bad seaweed.

Or it will be because her knee/shoulder/wrist hurt.

Or it will be because she had a blister.

Or.....

Well the list goes on.

Anyway if Kimmy loses, it will just be more of an incentive for her to work harder and harder on her game.

And she will still be sweet and nice and cute.

2284
Feb 16th, 2003, 12:36 AM
Starr, Kim has not yet reached her 20th birthday.

If Venus wins, it will be because Venus was the better player on that particular day. The result is never definate before the match is played. This is why people play

TeeRexx
Feb 16th, 2003, 01:09 AM
Or maybe she choked again. :)

treufreund
Feb 16th, 2003, 01:11 AM
I think she is sick and has almost NO CHANCE tomorrow. :sad: But if she does win it will be even more impressive considering that she was vomiting last night. :D

Venus Forever
Feb 16th, 2003, 01:15 AM
I can see it now, the fans would blame the loss on her being sick.:rolleyes:

I'm sorry, but if she can still beat Henin-Hardenne in straight sets, she is ready to play. Sickness isn't an excuse.

I know Kim wouldn't blame it on the sickness because she is a classy player, just like Venus.:)

leslie
Feb 16th, 2003, 01:17 AM
Originally posted by TeeRexx
Or maybe she choked again. :)

TeeRexx, that is funny. I am with you.

leslie
Feb 16th, 2003, 01:19 AM
Venus is going to do her utmost to win that match because she wants that Diamond racquet. One down two to go and she is even closer to getting that racquet.

starr
Feb 16th, 2003, 01:21 AM
No seriously. I don't put much stock in those excuses... even when they are valid. The better player on the day will win. If Kim beats Venus, it doesn't mean that Venus won't beat her on another day and vice versa.

1jackson2001
Feb 16th, 2003, 01:21 AM
#1-5 seem like all good and possible reasons for me. Maybe it's a combination of all of them...IF Kim loses.

treufreund
Feb 16th, 2003, 01:29 AM
We are not going to make excuses for Kim losing. Why should we? BUT we also are not going to listen to people saying that KIM is 100% healthy. :rolleyes: We all know that Venus lost to kim at LA because of her injury and believe me Kim is not 100% here either. It sucks that they cannot both just be healthy. But that seems to be the exception rather than the rule these days in tennis. :sad:

Leena
Feb 16th, 2003, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by TeeRexx
Or maybe she choked again. :)

That's my line... :(

Anyway, being "sick" is no excuse. If you can run, skip, hop, jump, yadda yadda... you're fine.

Jennifer's wife
Feb 16th, 2003, 01:33 AM
fine, but not on top winning form. there's a difference

SerenaSlam
Feb 16th, 2003, 01:36 AM
there will be no "IF" b/c kim "WONT" win, she is not in Venus williams class, and i would have to pick number 2, the gap between her and venus will always be this big, i see nothing kim has that is going to stop venus, you cannot and i repreat cannot, beat a playing, "get the ball back tennis" unless they are off! it has been said so many times, kim is going to have to come out going for her shots, and she is going to have to try and raise the level of her game, and if venus starts to make the errors, she can just keep the ball in play, like she did against Serena at the australian open. since when has a player beaten venus or serena getting the ball back while they are playing top level tennis. it doesn't work, it will only work for kim if venus is off her game. all kim does do is get the ball back in play against Venus and Serena, she cannot be aggressive, b/c venus and serena don't allow it!

cyberix
Feb 16th, 2003, 01:43 AM
At the AO Kim has proven that she can play with the best (Serena) and though she didn't win she could easily have. At that level it is all mental and Kim is still learning that type of game.

What was all that crap about Belgians hurling insults at Venus. They are only supporting their favorites (have you ever been to the US Open?).

Jennifer's wife
Feb 16th, 2003, 01:46 AM
did kim not beat serena at the wta champs or did i dream that?!

Crazy Canuck
Feb 16th, 2003, 02:06 AM
This thread is fantastic. I didnt' even have to open it to know EXACTLY what it said.

Incredible.

Do it again!

leslie
Feb 16th, 2003, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by starr
No seriously. I don't put much stock in those excuses... even when they are valid. The better player on the day will win. If Kim beats Venus, it doesn't mean that Venus won't beat her on another day and vice versa.


Well said.

leslie
Feb 16th, 2003, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by cyberix
At the AO Kim has proven that she can play with the best (Serena) and though she didn't win she could easily have. At that level it is all mental and Kim is still learning that type of game.

What was all that crap about Belgians hurling insults at Venus. They are only supporting their favorites (have you ever been to the US Open?).

Are you trying to say that they support Venus at the U.S. Open because if that is what you are saying it is totally wrong. V/S does not get support from anywhere especially in their own country. Didn't notice at the U.S Open how they supported Amelia over Venus? Watch closely. We all know that Kim will have the fully support of her country. That does not happen here in the U.S. to V/S.

gentenaire
Feb 16th, 2003, 02:42 AM
but having an American in the final isn't exactly a unique event. We've never had a grand slam winner, NEVER! So of course, now that we do have two great players, we support them as much as we can.

In cyclocross, which is completely dominated by Belgians, I (and lots of other Belgians) often root against certain Belgian cyclists. So it does happen that Belgian athletes don't get the full support from this country.

As to the original question, what Starr said. The person who wins will simply be the better player that day.

Warrior
Feb 16th, 2003, 03:56 AM
Kim is no longer sick. In an article about semis she said that she WAS sick yesterday.

Pinkie
Feb 16th, 2003, 04:19 AM
- Maybe we should wait for the match to be played before giving reasons why either player has won/lost?
- Why are people doubting Kim's claims that she is sick? Everybody watching her matches can see she has a bad cold. And that does affect anybody who has run a lot. Kim is not known for looking for excuses. And she hasn't dramatized being sick. The press asked her about it because they could tell she wasn't ok, but she never made that big of a deal about it.

Come-on-kim
Feb 16th, 2003, 08:03 AM
No because of the Aussie, because she could have choked yesterday too when at 5-2 justine saved a mp before leveling at 5-5

Opalgirl02
Feb 16th, 2003, 10:53 AM
You're right Leslie, at the US Open the crowd was for Amelie M.
and not for their own Venus Williams. Other countries usually support their players. US will support their players except
V and S.

Venus Forever
Feb 16th, 2003, 03:37 PM
And the answer is (considering I did not see the match)??

Elke
Feb 16th, 2003, 03:50 PM
Kim has NEVER made excuses,
she DIND'T make any excuses today
and she WILL NEVER make any excuses if she loses!

Cybelle Darkholme
Feb 16th, 2003, 03:51 PM
she lost because she was outplayed.

selesfan
Feb 16th, 2003, 03:55 PM
Kim nor her true fans make any excuses, the anti-Williams fans are the ones making the excuses. They will latch on to any player who can beat the sisters.;)

Weevee
Feb 16th, 2003, 04:48 PM
I have great respect for Kim