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E. Blackadder
Feb 12th, 2003, 06:20 AM
I think Casanova hits harder than Serena or Venus at some points :eek:

Sharapower
Feb 12th, 2003, 06:29 AM
I don't think so Rhythmboy, though it's true that Casanova gives everything.
Serena is definitely the hardest hitter.

Gowza
Feb 12th, 2003, 06:39 AM
lucic hits pretty hard even if they do go out.

tennisIlove09
Feb 12th, 2003, 06:50 AM
The key is not ONLY hitting it hard. That's what makes the Williams so effective. They have more game.

Hardest hitters:
Lucic
Davenport

Sharapower
Feb 12th, 2003, 06:51 AM
Originally posted by Gowza
lucic hits pretty hard even if they do go out. Well, I'm able to the same too :p

V.Melb
Feb 12th, 2003, 06:52 AM
Lucic is the hardest bloody hitter i have ever seen.
She has a very similar stroke production to Mary Pierce......just more powerful! :eek:

ktwtennis
Feb 12th, 2003, 10:36 AM
Yes, Lucic is unbelieveable, but she doesn't hit it in enough!

anton
Feb 12th, 2003, 10:40 AM
Mirjana Lucic is the most powerful groundstroke hitter ever in ladies' tennis.

Venus has the hardest serve.

Doc
Feb 12th, 2003, 10:41 AM
Hardest hitters: (not in any order)

Lucic
Venus
Serena
Pierce
Davenport
Capriati
Huber
Mikaelian
Rubin
Stevenson
Bovina
Dementieva
Clijsters
Tulyaganova
Petrova
Graf

Allof these can take over a rally and dominate on groundstrokes

Kournikova has a pretty hefty forehand too...

sartrista7
Feb 12th, 2003, 10:42 AM
Mirjana Lucic hits the ball harder than anyone else I've seen. Her problem is that she generally hits it out.

Scorch
Feb 12th, 2003, 10:45 AM
This race is so close between about 20 players that it is almost impossible to choose a winner.

Sam L
Feb 12th, 2003, 10:45 AM
Doesn't Lucic know how to play the points, to slow down and get the ball in sometime? :confused:

anton
Feb 12th, 2003, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Sam L
Doesn't Lucic know how to play the points, to slow down and get the ball in sometime? :confused:

She hits every ball flat like a laser. It is amazing if it goes in. If it goes out, it is a disaster.

V.Melb
Feb 12th, 2003, 10:57 AM
Yes. not any spin really at all. Just pure power! When i saw her she seemed identical to Mary Pierce..... except Mary plays with some topspin and less power.
Geez. She really just smacked the shite out the ball.

When Lucic is 'on' ----which is very rare indeed.....her opponents just don't have time to recover from shot to shot. But unfortunantly.... Mirjana cannot sustain any sort of consistency! :(

WhatTheDeuce
Feb 12th, 2003, 11:34 AM
Lucic
Venus
Serena
Lindsay
Kournikova
Seles
Dokic
Tulyaganova
Bovina
Petrova

Infiniti2001
Feb 12th, 2003, 01:02 PM
Lucic, Pierce, Davenport, Serena hit harder than Venus... I'd even put Jelena Dokic ahead of her as well... Venus no longer smacks the ball like she did from '97-2000(and I think that's part of her problem now (especially against Serena).

selesrules
Feb 12th, 2003, 01:07 PM
Even though Lucic won the match at Wimbledon, it was Seles who was hitting harder. She made Lucic run all over the place, it's Lucic's retreiving that won her the match, but Monica was in control. In fact I don't think anyone hits the ball harder then Seles from the baseline, but obviously others hit it harder from the serve and they have much faster movement on the tennis court & that's why Monica struggles sometimes. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS: MONICA IS THE ULTIMATE POWER PLAYER. :worship:

Havok
Feb 12th, 2003, 01:23 PM
we can all throw in Jelena Dokic into it too:D

AaronJoyB
Feb 12th, 2003, 01:25 PM
mirjana!!!

macn
Feb 12th, 2003, 01:33 PM
The object of the game is to hit the ball between the lines and not just anywhere you want to. Anybody can hit the ball hard if they're just swinging and hitting the ball anywhere. Serena hits the ball harder and more accurate than any female this year. Lindsey, Venus, Monica and a host of others also hit the ball hard, but not as consistent as Serena this year.

SerenaSlam
Feb 12th, 2003, 03:01 PM
drop lucic, she doesn't hit the ball hard at all compared to serena. the only time she gets a chance to hit the ball hard is if it is sitting up and just floating in mid air. give that to serena, and she will pounce on it! you can look at Serena and lucic and just tell who hits the ball harder, and frankly i dont even think we have seen serena hit the ball as hard as she can! serena doesn't need time to set up really. and who had the damn nerve to say lindsay hits hard? lindsay doesn't hit the ball hard at all! she just has decent and and accurate pace. as you saw against serena at the us open 2002, lindsays pace looked to be the same as martina hingis. against other players it might be hard, but against venus and serena, it really isn't nothing. the thing about venus and serena, they continue to get stronger. and that is only going to help them out, they are always going to be ahead of the game. right now serena has no problems returning a serve coming at her at 115mph, due to venus. serena deffinetly hits the ball the hardest. venus is right behind her. lucic has to be third in my opinoin. but we haven't even seen venus or serena hit the ball there hardest, b/c to me when they just hit the ball a lil hard, its good enough for a winner!

Serena
Venus
Lucic!

DEETHELICK
Feb 12th, 2003, 03:49 PM
Mmmm from what I've seen

Serena just has awesome power, but these days, she seems to rely on her accurate placement. Against Eleni in the SFs, she hit a few whoppers, but her shots were so accurate, that they were the real reason for distress.

Venus and Capriati are in the same league for me. Moreso Venus' BH and Jen's FH. Those two absolutely let rip on those wings.

Lindsay hits hard, but it doesnt seem to be at the same pace as the above three. Lucic, I've seen play once and yep, she hits the ball hard.

Midnite Surfer
Feb 12th, 2003, 05:07 PM
I'd say the hardest hitters are

Venus - Her backhand is like a sledgehammer. And she can tee off on the forehand when she's feeling confident. Her first serve is just phenomenal for a woman. Her and Serena have the most power while on the run, which is a true measure of overall power. It allows them to hit offensive shots from defensive positions.

Serena - Her forehand is the power wing but her backhand gets up there too. Her serve approaches Venus's in power. Incredible running forehand, accurate and powerful.

Lindsay - Forehand is hard and flat. If she is set up, she can hit it just as hard as anyone.

Capriati - Forehand is just as hard as Davenport's but generally not quite as flat and heavy.

Clijsters - can hit it pretty hard off the forehand side and when she flattens out her backhand.

Henin - Her forehand is worth mentioning. She really uses her body weight to drive it through the court.

Mauresmo - I have to mention her backhand. She can really flatten it out and drive through the court. SHe ahsn't been doing it enough lately though.

bis2806
Feb 12th, 2003, 05:26 PM
Lindsay hits the hardest

Cybelle Darkholme
Feb 12th, 2003, 05:32 PM
Lucic is the hardest hitting player I have ever seen. Go back and look at her us open match versus venus. Venus has an overall all court game that relies on her baseline skills. She's consistent. Lucic was overweight with no consistency but when she smacked the ball if flew like a rocket.

Davenport also smacks the ball harder than venus and possibly serena and jen. The problem is that lindsay needs to be able to set up to do so and if u have her running she can't generate the power or accuracy she needs.

G-Ha
Feb 12th, 2003, 06:11 PM
Mirjana Lucic and Mary Pierce.

Becool
Feb 12th, 2003, 06:15 PM
Mirjana
Mary
Serena
Lindsay
Iroda
Nadia (Petrova)
Venus

in no specifial order too

You guys forgot Petrova can also smack the ball when she's on

Becool
Feb 12th, 2003, 06:17 PM
Stevenson and Jennifer too

:cool:

SJW
Feb 12th, 2003, 06:23 PM
IMO its one of

Serena
Alex
Venus
Elena B
Monica
Linzi
Lucic
Casanova
Pierce
Tulyaganova

Volcana
Feb 12th, 2003, 06:28 PM
The PLAYERS all seem to say Venus and Serena hit harder than anyone else they face, and they've been saying it for five years.

Leena
Feb 12th, 2003, 06:30 PM
Lucic would be 1st... but like everyone says, she always misses, and she's out of shape.

Pierce would be 2nd... did you guys see her vs. Rubin at AO? The girl was killing the ball. Again, like Lucic, she moves like a sloth currently.

I'd put Serena, then Lindsay, then Venus behind them.

Bovina shouldn't be up with these girls, folks... at least not yet.

Wimanna
Feb 12th, 2003, 06:38 PM
Like Kim said yesterday, Casanova hit as hard as the sisters, but at some points even harder... ;) I was impressed myself how hard she hits the ball :eek:

SerenaSlam
Feb 12th, 2003, 06:39 PM
why does everyone say this gurl would be first? serena by far hits the ball harder than her! you just haven't seen serena or venus go all out on a ball. they have gotten a lot stronger, maybe in 97' we would've seen venus or serena do that, but they haven't done it since around 2000, and w/ them being stronger now, they would kill the ball! Serena hits the ball the hardest w/out a doubt. let them play, you will soon enough see!

and that is a true statement, we can say what we want, but when the players actually say it, i think they know a lot more than what we know! and they say they hit the ball the hardest on the tour!

SerenaSlam
Feb 12th, 2003, 06:46 PM
in the end, when you have a player like venus williams, who has the capability of hitting a 127mph serve, that is off the forehand. i arm, her backhand is very leathal! that is why she tends to have ore winners. when venus and serena are confident they have so many winners. and they hit the ball harder and harder the more confident they get. but we haven't seen how hard venus and serena can hit the ball. they haven't showed it to us. i think the only time we seen it was when venus hit taht 127 mph ace against Pierce for the record!

SJW
Feb 12th, 2003, 06:47 PM
Serena DOES hit the hardest on tour

im just not gonna argue with them :)

G-Ha
Feb 12th, 2003, 06:50 PM
SerenaSlam, out of curiosity, how many of Lucic's matches have you seen?

If we're talking consistent power, no one comes close to Serena at the moment. Lindsay, Venus and Jennifer are also up there.

But the question was "Who hits the hardest", and the hardest shots I've seen have come off Lucic's and Pierce's racquets.

Incidentally, I've heard the "players" cite others than just the Williamses as the hardest hitters.

Leena
Feb 12th, 2003, 07:00 PM
SerenaSlam, did you watch the Venus-Lucic 1st rd match from the US Open? For some stupid reason, I recorded that whole day of action, and I have that match. Venus had many chances to drill short balls away on Mirjana... and it came nowhere close to the velocity of some of the shots that Mirjana hit, even running (and I use that term loosely) forehands.

Don't be so defensive about this though, Serena Fan. Venus 6-0 6-0'd Lucic in that match. Just like Greg Rusedski who has the hardest serve in tennis... it means nothing when the rest of your game is total crap.

SJW
Feb 12th, 2003, 07:01 PM
hehe

this Brit seconds Greg is crap!!

bobcat
Feb 12th, 2003, 07:03 PM
Actually, when Serena first came on the tour she hit every ball as hard as possible, maybe even harder than Lucic. She hits nowhere near as hard nowadays.

TSequoia01
Feb 12th, 2003, 10:36 PM
I agree with posters who say that Venus and Serena do not hit hard all the time. They pick their spots. If you watch the stats, many times Serena serves in the 70's and 80's. Venus' second serves are routinely in the 70's and 80's. Both take something off their groundies going for consistency and placement. However, when they want, can hit with anyone. Serena's crosscourt forehand is one of the most powerful shots on the WTA. The Sisters sometimes in addition hit with topspin, and not as flat as many players especially Venus.

sartrista7
Feb 13th, 2003, 12:51 AM
Originally posted by Volcana
The PLAYERS all seem to say Venus and Serena hit harder than anyone else they face, and they've been saying it for five years.

That would be because Venus and Serena hit hard and accurate, which is a problem for the opposition. Mirjana hits hard and out, which is not.

o0O0o
Feb 13th, 2003, 12:57 AM
The Williams sisters don't hit it the hardest. Whoever came up with the notion that they do is idiotic, and this idea was probably a PR propoganda to sell tickets back in 1997.

(BTW Volcana, what players say that the Williams sisters hit it the hardest? I haven't seen any. Hingis has said that Seles hits it the hardest. Other than that...?)

As far as TOTAL game, the Williams sisters DO hit it the hardest. That is, the total velocity of first and second serves, ground strokes, returns, and ON THE RUN SHOTS. Most players who hit the ball really hard are fat and slow so don't match up with the Williams sisters on the run. However, in a nuetral ground stroke rally, there are a host of girls who hit it harder than Venus and Serena.

The top is Lucic. Her game is horrendous but for pure power, you can't beat that.

Davenport is next. She hits it the hardest of any top-10 player for sure. Look at her matches against the Williams sisters. Whenver it comes down to up-the-middle power shots, Lindsay has the advantage. She basically overpowers everyone.

Seles is next. She hits it very flat, and consistently hard. High risk.

Next, believe it or not, is Jelena Dokic. Although she is slow and her serve is weak, she absolutely crushes her ground strokes. Again, refer to her matches against Capriati or Venus. She clearly smacks the ball harder, but like most of the above girls, lacks consistence or anything resembling a finesse game.

I'd put Serena in this slot. She is more powerful than Venus.

Now come the tricky players to place. For example, Hantuchova and Venus hit their backhand as hard as any single shot the players above have, and Capriati does the same with her forehand. In fact, Dementieva might have the single most explosive shot on tour in her forehand. Might.

Clijsters matched Serena in ground stroke mph at Australia. But her (and Mauresmo) lace thier shots with such topspin that they aren't quite as fast as the laser-like flat shots of the rest of the girls.

But regardless, as the rest of the tour develops the power game, everyone is playing the same style. So the difference between the most powerful hitter and the 10th most powerful hitter is probably nothing at all.

SerenaSlam
Feb 13th, 2003, 12:58 AM
from 97'? i believe venus was only 17 18 years old then? and how old is lucic and venus now? i think lucic is much older than venus, and venus has gotten a lot stronger. lucic seems to be hitting the same exact way. but lucic just goes all out and trys to the ball her hardest on every shot. im not going to argue w/ you all. tell me what you think, they are only opinoins to me, and they are wrong to me, your opinions on this topic are always going to be wrong to me, cuz i feel venus, serena and jennifer capriait hit the hardest balls on the tour. phsycially you put serena next to lucic and you can honestly decided who. the fat bitch can hit hard, but not as hard as serena or venus. now you can explain to me, but don't come in here trying to "TELL" me what the fuck is going on. do you understand me you all. this type of shit really pisses me off, and bein a nigga from the south, i don't, can't and won't put up w/ this type of bull shit. report me as much as you want, but do you know how fuckin easy it is to make a new name?

SerenaSlam
Feb 13th, 2003, 01:02 AM
up the middle power shots, im sorry, but i will believe an acutal wta tour player or a real commentator before i believe anything you say. and when a commentator stats that "deep up the middle" is good against venus and serena, they aren't saying venus and serena can't handle the damn ball, please take the stick out of your ass, as of recent deep up the middle has not worked for venus or serena, and the only reason it was used is b/c venus and serena would not use there legs and get out of there own way. lindsay hits the ball deep up the middle the same pace she were to hit any of her balls outwide. they just used that tactic b/c venus and serena had to tendcy to stay where they were, let the ball get to close and therefore it became a hard shot for them. it isn't b/c lindsay hits the ball so hard. if that was the case you would have to say henin, clijsters, and to a certain extent, hit the same pace as lindsay, b/c they were using the same tactic and it "USED" to work. it doesn't anymore! please drop the deep up the middle!

G-Ha
Feb 13th, 2003, 01:03 AM
Why are you so angry? :confused:

We were talking about tennis....a GAME, right? I hardly see the reason to label Mirjana a "fat bitch" just because people have an opinion that differs from yours.

sartrista7
Feb 13th, 2003, 01:04 AM
Originally posted by SerenaSlam
from 97'? i believe venus was only 17 18 years old then? and how old is lucic and venus now? i think lucic is much older than venus, and venus has gotten a lot stronger. lucic seems to be hitting the same exact way. but lucic just goes all out and trys to the ball her hardest on every shot. im not going to argue w/ you all. tell me what you think, they are only opinoins to me, and they are wrong to me, your opinions on this topic are always going to be wrong to me, cuz i feel venus, serena and jennifer capriait hit the hardest balls on the tour. phsycially you put serena next to lucic and you can honestly decided who. the fat bitch can hit hard, but not as hard as serena or venus. now you can explain to me, but don't come in here trying to "TELL" me what the fuck is going on. do you understand me you all. this type of shit really pisses me off, and bein a nigga from the south, i don't, can't and won't put up w/ this type of bull shit. report me as much as you want, but do you know how fuckin easy it is to make a new name?

mmm, what a classy post. Anyway.

Venus is stronger now than she was then. She's also much more tactically aware, so she doesn't hit as hard because she knows that if she does, the ball will go out and she will lose the point. Mirjana has not yet grasped this elementary concept, and therefore hits harder then Venus.

oooooo's post actually makes a lot of sense. We're not talking about 'who can hit the hardest running shot', we're talking about 'who can hit the hardest neutral shot'. How many of Mirjana's matches have you seen, anyway?

brunof
Feb 13th, 2003, 03:24 AM
Poor Lucic. I want to see her come back stong! :)

macn
Feb 13th, 2003, 03:27 AM
How can anyone say Lucic hits the hardest when she hits most of her shots out of the Court.

selesrules
Feb 13th, 2003, 03:28 AM
Everyone with a brain knows that Seles hits the hardest. Next topic please.

LUIS9
Feb 13th, 2003, 03:34 AM
yeah i thought pierce hit the hardest, hingis and davenport seemed to have agreed with that but her lack of mobility especially now a days is what doesnt allow her to be succesful.but yeah in terms of who uses all the power on a consitent basis you have to go with the williams tied at first except when they play against each other followed by davenport then cappy and clijsters are pretty close for third spot and then mauresmo.lucic did seem to be hitting harder than venus at wimby last year but when venus caught most of them she fed off all that pace or it went out most of the time too, but her 2nd serve is monstrous as well it avg 92mph thats pretty lethal but not against venus reach especially since mirjana didnt use any placement on her 2nd serves, she also hit quite a few 1st serves over 110mph a few 113's and 114.but to no avail.:eek: :bounce:

Cybelle Darkholme
Feb 13th, 2003, 04:06 AM
I have seen lots of women play live. I still think lucic hits the hardest. Pierce and Lindsay are all up there close to her as well, but for sheer power on the GROUNDSTROKES then lucic has it nailed. I'm not saying she's always hitting them in but when she does smack a winner its like a bullet.

Also why has this thread turned all nasty? i mean can't we have a discussion about something without it devolving into this?

tennisfan1972
Feb 13th, 2003, 04:09 AM
I think having a discussion of who hits teh hardest is pointless. Hell i'm sure martina hingis can hit harder than Venus does sometimes if she swung with all her might. whats the point fo talking about aplayer who wacks the hell out of teh ball and they all miss the dang court. i could do that. anybody could hit 40 balls as hard as hell and not one make the court. not every player is trying to hit the ball as hard as possible.So we may never know who hits the hardest. Just watching it on TV will not tell the whole story. For instance Venus hits hard but she also uses mre topspin than any other player. So her shots may not look fast but they are so heavy from all teh topspin on the ball. so her intention is not to hit with all her might. but to hit very heavy, deep balls that push the oponent back behind th ebase line so she can open up the court at some point in the rally with a down the line backhand or forehand...etc notice how she played henin at AUS open, heni was swinging with all her might. but venus was hitting very heavy topsin forehands that were sailing through the court fast but most importantly they were unattackable because of all the spin. Thast why Venus seems unbothered in rallies. She just continues to rally and tries to bait her opponet into going for a difficult shot off her heavy topspin shots. only a few players are able to even take the offense against these kinda shots. Its too risky to change directions. Notice when anybody ever changes direction on her forehand shot, the ball doesnt fly , it sails through teh court allowing her ample time to get to it.
Once she sees they are too passive she usually opens up a flatter down the line forehand. but in terms of the original question, I know lucic hits the Bejeezus out of the ball , but what good is it if they land out 90 % of the time, thats not a skill in my opinion. hell anybody can hit that hard and miss. i have seen just about all players hit hard so its hard to say who hits harder. i guess we should debate who hits harder with consistency. or who hits a consistently heavy ball? i dunno. Just like with a serve, who cares if u can hit 130 miles per hour if it goes into the fence, thats not a skill.

tennisfan1972
Feb 13th, 2003, 04:11 AM
yeah pierce hits the hell out of the ball too. i used to think davenport hit pretty hard but these youngsters seem to be hitting harder to me , or is that my imagination.

G-Ha
Feb 13th, 2003, 04:24 AM
I've seen Mirjana, Venus, Monica, Lindsay, Mary, etc. all play in person as well as on TV, and I'm sticking with Mirjana and Mary as the hardest hitters.

I realize Mirjana now can't seem to hit a ball in the court, but that wasn't always the case. Back when she was winning tournaments and reaching the semis of Wimbledon, 90% of her shots were not misses.

Cybelle Darkholme
Feb 13th, 2003, 04:32 AM
I think this thread very nicely deals with the haters who say "venus and serena are all power" clearly they are not because they are not even the most powerful hitters out there.

consisteny speed power mental strength and strategy make them so tough.

Scorch
Feb 13th, 2003, 07:51 AM
Like I said yesturday it is a close, close race!

I think that people are right on with what they say about Lucic. The thing with her is that she just hits hard and FLAT *all the time* does not matter where she is on court or how much pressure she is under - short ball, deep ball she just smacks it. Low % play, therefore many errors and some uber fast winners. I do believe that someone should have told her by now that hitting the hardest does not win many matches...which brings me to my next point...

The players who have been at the top of the game all know when to hit the ball as hard as they can. You do it on short high balls when you want to finish the point. When players are putting these 'sitters' away to win the point there are very few mph between them I would say that on any given day any one of about 20 players could be hitting these shots the hardest. The top players (Venus, Serena, Cappy, Lindsay, Monica, Kim etc) know WHEN to hit the hardest, and they know when to play the %s. Therefore many people think of Lucic because she is the only player I can think of that is infamous for just blasting the ball no matter what.

One more point, people who are getting upset that others disagree that their favourites hit the ball hardest should just CHILL OUT. It is not imo a particularly 'clever' thing to be known for.

I would also say that we have a psycho in our midst people, watch yourselves! ;)

Grice
Feb 13th, 2003, 08:13 AM
I'm surprised some of you completely left out Seles in your list of hard hitters... she may not hit the ball as hard as Serena or some of the others, but Monica is one of the pioneers (or shld i say, THE Pioneer) of hard-hitting. and she's still among the top hard hitters...

Master Lu
Feb 13th, 2003, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by tennisfan1972
I think having a discussion of who hits teh hardest is pointless. Hell i'm sure martina hingis can hit harder than Venus does sometimes if she swung with all her might. whats the point fo talking about aplayer who wacks the hell out of teh ball and they all miss the dang court. i could do that. anybody could hit 40 balls as hard as hell and not one make the court.


This where you're wrong. We are talking about 'power', but not the general amount of power any person can generate. If I'm stronger then Mirjana I can obviously generate more general power then she does. The problem is transffering that power to the tennis ball. And this output power is what we're talking about. You need to use your body as a set of levers to transffer as much as the power your body can generate to the ball. And I can guarantee you no one can tranffer all of it. Most people lose most of their power in the process (the power obviously can't dissapear, but it can get spent in a number of other, useless, ways). It's all about ratios (or percentages). This is where Mirjana and other 'hard hitters' on tour excell at. They can tranffer a much larger percentage of their overall power to the tennis ball and generate pace.

I can guarantee you I could not generate the pace Mirjana does no matter where the ball falls, and I'd bet quite a lot that you can't either. If we could we'd be on the tour now instead of arguing on this thread.

Oh and, SerenaSlam, somehow I don't think other 'niggas from the south' would appritiate you using that as your excuse for being a... umm... troll to borrow some computer geek lingo.