View Full Version : A. Sugiyama def. J. Dokic 75 57 63 Diamond Games

Feb 11th, 2003, 09:32 PM
another early loss for Jelena :eek: :confused:

Feb 11th, 2003, 09:32 PM

good for ai
not so good for jelena

Feb 11th, 2003, 09:33 PM
Does Jelena have a coach?

~ The Leopard ~
Feb 11th, 2003, 09:33 PM
Jelena is in trouble right now! :eek:

Feb 11th, 2003, 09:34 PM
YES She's coached by Gunthard,who is supposed to be a very good one :eek:

Feb 11th, 2003, 09:37 PM
maybe he only looked good because he had the best pupil you could get?

he would not be the first one who that happened too!

Feb 11th, 2003, 09:48 PM
damn jelena....not good....not good at all...

Feb 11th, 2003, 09:55 PM
Great job, Ai.

Feb 11th, 2003, 09:57 PM
Jelena without Bernoldi= Winner
Jelena with Bernoldi= Loser....

Feb 11th, 2003, 09:58 PM
Jelena :sad: :sad:

Feb 11th, 2003, 10:05 PM
Dokic could have gain some very big points had the played in Austalia

Feb 11th, 2003, 10:22 PM
This is not a good sign for Jelena.
However, the season is still early and she can possibly regain her focus by Roland Garros.

Feb 11th, 2003, 10:25 PM
I really hope she changes her mind about playing the 2004 Aussie Open

Feb 11th, 2003, 10:31 PM
She did it so i could get some points in the Race to Chase. Congratulations Ai. Better luck next time Jelena.

Feb 11th, 2003, 10:32 PM
I really hope she changes her mind and starts playing.

Feb 11th, 2003, 10:46 PM
I saw Jelena live in Paris against Emilie Loit (I was there).

some people seem to think it's up to her, that is all in her mind.

Well, maybe a little but that's only part of it.

First of all, her game hasn't changed a bit. She still has powerful groundstrokes off both sides and... nothing else. She just runs to the ball and hits a good groundstroke, but that's not enough and she doesn't have any other weapons. Her serve is erratic and even when it goes in, it isn't a weapon at all. Her groundstrokes, although powerful and well placed are very predictable. I don't know if she will change with her new coach and I understand she needs time but I really didn't see any change.

Second, her attitude. I was very close to her when she came on court, she didn't look happy, she looked angry but maybe it's me.

Anyways, when she won the match, she pumped her fist looking at Bernoldi but she didn't smile. She only smiled very briefly when they interviewed her and again, she didn't look happy at all.

Third, her fitness. Jelena looked tired from the beginning of the match, it didn't affect the match development too much because Emilie Loit was really playing bad. Jelena seems to have lost weight but also stamina.

I think it will be difficult for her to retool her game at this stage. That's the way she plays and she is paying the price of wanting results quickly and not paying attention to develop more variety. To be that one-dimensional she would need superlative groundstrokes, hers are good but not great and she would also need more anticipation and speed and definitely, more consistency on the serve.

I didn't see the match in Antwerp, but I did see Ai Sugiyama in Paris (not for the first time). Ai is a very talented player but she can't cope with power. A player like Jelena would normally just overpower her, but if Jelena played as she did in Paris, she was playing without conviction. Ai can be overpowered but you have to beat her, she won't beat herself and with the kind of level Jelena is at the moment, I don't see her doing that.

A final comment, I don't think it's Bernoldi's fault, I think Jelena is paying the price for what she did in the last 3 years, her body has felt the effort and her game hasn't evolved. She should have taken advantage of the time off during the Australian season but it doesn't look like she did (maybe this IS Bernoldi's fault)

Feb 11th, 2003, 10:47 PM

auntie janie
Feb 11th, 2003, 10:48 PM
Congrats to Ai! She has not had a big win in a while. :):):):):)

Feb 11th, 2003, 10:50 PM
Ai Sugiyama has bitch-slapped Graf, Capriati & Hingis before, among others. So give Dokic a break.

Feb 11th, 2003, 10:53 PM
Perhaps at the age of 27, Ai is ready to become more of a contender (as a singles player, she has always been tremendous at doubles)? She did take Monica to three sets at the Pan Pacific. Time will tell if Ai can suceed in singles matches at a high level in a major.

Feb 11th, 2003, 10:58 PM
I'm not surprised at all! Ai is no fast and makes you hit so much ball and Jelena is far from being consistant :rolleyes:

Feb 11th, 2003, 11:09 PM
no need to bash jelena....shes in a slump....it happens....shes been in one before...she has gotten out of one before...congrats to ai for a great win....

Feb 11th, 2003, 11:28 PM
I'm not bashing Jelena, I think when you add this loss to her recent ones it just spells trouble. I hope she manages to pick up her game and get it together.

Feb 11th, 2003, 11:30 PM
AI is a very good player. Jelena barely lost and is in a bit of a slump. For me, not a shocking result. Just happy for AI. :bounce:

Feb 11th, 2003, 11:58 PM
:bounce: GO AI!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bounce:

Feb 12th, 2003, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by selesrules
Ai Sugiyama has bitch-slapped Graf, Capriati & Hingis before, among others. So give Dokic a break.

You shouldn't judge the results by statistics. Statistics are useful for gambling, but not for tennis.

There are reasons behind results. Quality of the game, mental strenght, weather, illness, injuries. The fact that one player has lost to another player 10 times before has no influence in a future match (except for the fact that a head-to-head like that can mentally affect the player). It's not like when you toss a coin enough times you will get similar results.

I have seen Jelena play, in person, as early as last week, and after I saw her win her match against Loit I knew she was going to lose to Daniilidou, and I had (and have) no idea what the head-to-head was but I saw both players and clearly one was at a better level. That's what matters and not what the numbers tell

Mr. Man
Feb 12th, 2003, 12:12 AM
WAY TO GO AI!!!! :bounce:

Feb 12th, 2003, 12:19 AM
Yeah! Go Ai!! I hope Monica can win the tournament now because this a chance to keep a lead over Jelena...I do feel bad though for Jelena. She seems to have trouble sorting out her personal life...

Feb 12th, 2003, 01:00 AM
if i remember rightly jelena had the same problems as this last year... i remember her bowing out early in her beginning tournaments of 2002... exception ofcourse is the final in paris - which she withdrew from.

Aaah, Ai is great player anyway.
I'm sure Jelena will start to pull it together sooner or later, i hope.

Feb 12th, 2003, 01:03 AM
Well Ai seems to be in pretty good form. She gave both Seles and Mauresmo tough matches, both of whom ended up in the final.
I agree with Fingon about the limitations of Jelena's game; her biggest strength was mental toughness and that seems to have gone away in the last six months. She beat Capriati in San Diego, but then folded against Venus in the final; tanked against Chanda in L.A.; she had a good tournament in Canada, but since then, she's lost 13 out of her last 23 matches. The slump is probably weighing on her.

Feb 12th, 2003, 01:34 AM
but Dokic put up an awesome fight. it was an extremely close match. lots of winners from both sides. ok she did lose, but she fought and fought hard and well. after the 1st set she could have just given up, but she didn't. she fought her way to win the second set and the third was really close. i'm sure she'll take the positive out of this match and train really hard for the next 2 weeks and she'll be ready for action when Indian wells comes.

Feb 12th, 2003, 02:24 AM
NOW THAT JELENA HAS BARELY PLAYED A AMTCH IT WILL MAKE sense to play as many tourneys as she can, just until she starts to get deep in them as she used to....needs matches

Feb 12th, 2003, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by selesrules
Ai Sugiyama has bitch-slapped Graf, Capriati & Hingis before, among others. So give Dokic a break.

My sentiments exactly, give the girl some credit!

Feb 12th, 2003, 03:00 AM
Originally posted by diggerariel
Perhaps at the age of 27, Ai is ready to become more of a contender (as a singles player, she has always been tremendous at doubles)? She did take Monica to three sets at the Pan Pacific. Time will tell if Ai can suceed in singles matches at a high level in a major.

Each time when Ai won over a top 10 player, I thought like this. But then, the next week she lost to somebody like ranked #80. Can I really hope Ai's success this time? :confused:

Anyway, Dokic is just another top player who was not at her best when she faced Ai. But Dokic has played enough so that she can afford some break like recent weeks and this does not really affect her ranking for now. She has enough talent to come back even stronger. ;)

Feb 12th, 2003, 03:01 AM
while Ai is no slouch, things dont look good for ms. dokic

she needs to give daddy a hike

shed be so better off

King Lindsay
Feb 12th, 2003, 03:13 AM
Fingon, the one thing I disagree with you about. I think you have Sugiyama all wrong. She's a risky player in her own right. she's not a Conchita or Arantxa that you really have to take the fight to. Ai has some good shots, and she does, on occasion, unforced error herself out of matches. I think she has been known to beat herself on occasion. I also don't agree that she can't cope with power, which I think is backed up by her record against Jennifer Capriati and Mary Pierce.

Feb 12th, 2003, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by venusfan
Dokic could have gain some very big points had the played in Austalia

Yeah, like 2.

Feb 12th, 2003, 05:55 AM
I saw the match on tv, and I was really surprised when I saw Dokic. She looks so weak now and she looked like she was sick. And then the match started. She wasn't motivated at all imo. No single emotion on her face, only that sad look. It was very weird to see her like that. But still, I was rooting for Aļ and I'm extremely happy she was able to pull this off :)

Feb 12th, 2003, 10:15 AM
:eek: :rolleyes:

Feb 12th, 2003, 10:29 AM
Well, I saw the match too on television.
Jelena looked indead as white as a sheet en very weak.
The public was definitely pro Ai. Probably it has something to do
with the fact that Ais is Kims doublespartner.