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CJ07
Jan 27th, 2003, 04:23 AM
5 +3 Daniela Hantuchova (SVK) 2838 24
6 -3 Jennifer Capriati (USA) 2790 17
7 -1 Amelie Mauresmo (FRA) 2729 15
8 +1 Jelena Dokic (YUG) 2506 29
9 -2 Monica Seles (USA) 2492 15
10 0 Lindsay Davenport (USA) 2171 11
11 +1 Anastasia Myskina (RUS) 2150 28
12 +1 Chanda Rubin (USA) 1965 16
13 +2 Patty Schnyder (SUI) 1787 25
14 0 Magdalena Maleeva (BUL) 1669 25
15 +1 Silvia Farina Elia (ITA) 1544 28
16 +1 Anna Pistolesi (ISR) 1536.5 28
17 +6 Elena Bovina (RUS) 1442 24
18 -7 Martina Hingis (SUI) 1386 10
19 +1 Eleni Daniilidou (GRE) 1378.75 27
20 -2 Nathalie Dechy (FRA) 1374 25
21 0 Alexandra Stevenson (USA) 1327.25 25
22 -3 Elena Dementieva (RUS) 1316 26
23 -1 Amanda Coetzer (RSA) 1301 22
24 0 Tatiana Panova (RUS) 1259 32
25 +2 Paola Suarez (ARG) 1191 24


This should be a very interesting Winter and Clay season.

By Wimbledon, this will be completely re-organized.

The top 15 all legit chances of getting those one or two iffy spaces in the top ten, and the rest have legit chances of getting into those 3 or 4 iffy spaces in the top 15.

By Wimbledon, this is how it should look

1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Clijsters
4. Davenport
5. Mauresmo
6. Henin
7. Seles
8. Capriati
9. Hantuchova
10. Rubin

now I may be wrong, as Schnyder, Myskina, and even Maleeva have an outside chance of getting Rubins spot and I dont think Dokic plans on leaving the Top 10 anytime soon.

So this should be very very interesting

Darkheart
Jan 27th, 2003, 04:38 AM
There will definitely be more players entering/leaving the top 10 than last year.

Fingon
Jan 27th, 2003, 04:48 AM
I don't see that happening.

Justine has 3 finals (Antwerp, Amelia Island and Rome) and one tournament to defend, but except for Antwerp they are all on clay, her best surface.

She has nothing to defend in Miami and more important, nothing at the French Open (again, on clay).

Davenport has nothing, but she is 1,400 points behind, she might win Indian Wells, but I don't see her winning Miami with Venus and Serena playing. I don't know if she is playing Antwerp, Paris and Dubai, but one or both sisters are playing in the three, plus Kim, Justine, Hantuchova, etc.

She can get around 400 points for Indian Wells, maybe 300 for Scotsdale, probably totalling around 1,000 points, but Justine can defend her points and even add in certain tournaments (especially Roland Garros).

Amelie has a better chance but she is defending champion in Dubai, + it's not know when she is coming back.

If Jennifer doesn't get in shape soon, she might be out of the top 10. She has final in Scottsdale and Miami. She still has a gap over Chanda, Patty and Myskina but if she doesn't raise her level...

Sam L
Jan 27th, 2003, 05:01 AM
Why does everyone keep overrating Lindsay? :confused:

She'll be back in top ten for sure, but top 5? I don't think so, unless she has a spectacular claycourt season.

Jericho
Jan 27th, 2003, 05:12 AM
yeah its seems as if only now players know how to beat davenport or come very close to it...

tennisIlove09
Jan 27th, 2003, 05:16 AM
I think the more Davenport plays, the more she will get her confidence back. The trouble will be her winning her first title. once she does that, her confidence will be back. Really, IW, Miami...she's QF, SF points more then likely.

1jackson2001
Jan 27th, 2003, 05:45 AM
I don't know, but Lindsay seems to have performed better right after she came back during last summer's hardcourt season than currently.

Beat
Jan 27th, 2003, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by mmcdonald
17 +6 Elena Bovina (RUS) 1442 24

the incredible thing is that elena has hardly to defend any points until warsaw (where she won the title last year). and know this is said about lots of girls - but i really think she has a shot at the top 10, if she keeps on playing as well as she did recently.

CJ07
Jan 28th, 2003, 01:31 AM
Why will Henin fall?

She'll LOSE to Amelie
She'll LOSE to Monica
She'll LOSE to Hantuchova
She'll LOSE to Capriati
She'll LOSE to Davenport

ok with that said, with this new Top seeding, it means she'll have to face one of them in the QF

The thing that made up my mind was that she needed 9-7 in the third to beat a comeback Davenport NINE-SEVEN

Think about it, shes talented but unless something happens fast, the top 5 will be elusive

banana
Jan 28th, 2003, 02:19 AM
i think ur wrong bout cappy! except miami she had mediocre results after march last year and she will have 3 weeks before dubai so she should be in good shape plus she is playing indian wells this year!
and does ne1 know davenports ussually plays during the clay season?

caseyl45
Jan 28th, 2003, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by mmcdonald
Why will Henin fall?

She'll LOSE to Amelie
She'll LOSE to Monica
She'll LOSE to Hantuchova
She'll LOSE to Capriati
She'll LOSE to Davenport



Realistically, I'm not going to deny that Henin-Hardenne MIGHT lose to some of those players. However, to say that she WILL lose to them seems pretty premature.
And there's something else you need to take into consideration in this whole scenario -- timing. You don't lose points by losing to players ranked below you, you lose points by not doing as well in a tournament as you did the previous year, or if you lose to lesser competition than you did in the previous year.
Yes, Davenport, barring injury, will definitely close the gap between herself and the top five, however, most of the players ranked ahead of her will have some opportunity to gain points between now and Wimbledon.
Henin-Hardenne, and this has already been mentioned, can gain points at Miami and Roland Garros if she shows up and just wins one match. She's also, if I remember right, playing in Dubai and Charleston, tournaments she didn't compete in last year. If she plays all four of these events, that means four events, Tier II or higher, she can gain points, a lot of points if she does well. If she stays healthy and does respectably well in the tournaments where she has to defend big points, and with the entire clay-court season, it will be very difficult for Davenport to catch her. I'm not saying it can't be done, I just think Davenport's going to need help.
That being said, at this point, and barring injury, I don't see the top four changing between now and Wimbledon. I think that there's just too much of a gap between them and the rest of the field. Once again, I think that Davenport will close the gap greatly, but she's got to close a gap of 1236 points in about five months. That's going to be a challenge given her recent problems. Of course, the key phrases in all this are AT THIS POINT and BARRING INJURY. This is all just hypothesizing -- that's half the fun of it.

CJ07
Jan 28th, 2003, 03:07 AM
well we'll see

but i think my list is about right

selesadmirer
Jan 28th, 2003, 03:09 AM
Daniilidou will be in the top ten by wimbledon.

Venus Forever
Jan 28th, 2003, 03:13 AM
If Eleni doesn't improve that serve of hers, she will definitely not be in the top 10.

selesadmirer
Jan 28th, 2003, 03:34 AM
Originally posted by VeNuS FoReVeR
If Eleni doesn't improve that serve of hers, she will definitely not be in the top 10. I don't think it is anything to worry about..It was probably just nerves.

Venus Forever
Jan 28th, 2003, 03:44 AM
Originally posted by selesadmirer
I don't think it is anything to worry about..It was probably just nerves.

If she gets nervous in the fourth round in a slam, what's gonna happen when she gets further??

If she does get to the top 10, she will only be there for a few weeks.

Havok
Jan 28th, 2003, 03:55 AM
i highly doubt it that Dokic will be out of the top 10 by Wimbledon. she doesn't have that many points to defend, and she IS a good player!

disposablehero
Jan 28th, 2003, 03:56 AM
[i]
By Wimbledon, this is how it should look

1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Clijsters
4. Davenport
5. Mauresmo
6. Henin
7. Seles
8. Capriati
9. Hantuchova
10. Rubin
[/B]

Your list is close. More like:

1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Clijsters
4. Davenport
5. Henin
6. Seles
7. Mauresmo
8. Hantuchova
9. Capriati
10. Rubin

WtaTour4Ever
Jan 28th, 2003, 04:02 AM
Wow, this thread makes me nostalgic. I remember when the only players I knew in the top 10 were Seles and Steffi .........and of course Vee and Rena but they weren't ranked. Now I know them all :-)

~|Naomi|~
Jan 28th, 2003, 05:16 AM
You all seem to be writing off Dokic. I think she will be anywhere between 6-10, maybe even scrape into the 5th spot. She has got a new coach and looks to be really fit. And before you all go on about how I am only saying this because I am a Jelena fan, I'm not. I am a Kim fan.

ms_nut
Jan 28th, 2003, 06:35 AM
Eleni Danilidou has to improve that serve of hers to be in the top 10.
She didn't hold serve once in the mixed doubles final and it got me thinking about Aniko's service game.

~RedRose~
Jan 28th, 2003, 06:41 AM
Wat r u guys saying about Jelena .... she hasnt much points to defend up to RG ... ect ... I think its funny that ur putting Seles around 6 .... she has so many points to defend b4 RG ... she'll be lucky to stay in Top 10 ...

Becool
Jan 28th, 2003, 06:48 AM
Jelena won't be on top 10..

We can actually predict this on how she plays on Tokyo.. But I think she might be rusty so, I don't know.. she has a lot to defend..

Sharapower
Jan 28th, 2003, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by disposablehero
Your list is close. More like:

1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Clijsters
4. Davenport
5. Henin
6. Seles
7. Mauresmo
8. Hantuchova
9. Capriati
10. Rubin

Well, wait a minute, you all seem to consider Daniela Hantuchova is a non-player :rolleyes: .
It is very possible that she's gonna fall in rankings but it's far from being granted. In this first half of season she does not have that much to defend except IW, so she reasonably can aim to keeping her #5 spot or even grab the #4 or #3 according to Kim and Justine's performances.

~|Naomi|~
Jan 28th, 2003, 12:28 PM
It is very possible that she's gonna fall in rankings but it's far from being granted. In this first half of season she does not have that much to defend except IW, so she reasonably can aim to keeping her #5 spot or even grab the #4 or #3 according to Kim and Justine's performances.

Hantuchova is a great player but if she is to get the 3 ranking from Kim it won't happen till the US hardcourts in July. Kim only has 101 points to defend till the clay season. Then she has 200 in Rome and 300 and something in Hamburg. And remeber Kim played not very well at Wimbledon or Roland Garros last year. Kim only has 40 points to defend for the entire grass season.

Hantuchova on the other hand has more to defend than Kim prior to the clay, because of IW. And also has more at Roland Garros and definatley way more on the grass than Kim does.

bis2806
Jan 28th, 2003, 01:11 PM
davenport will surely be in top 5 by midyear

CJ07
Jan 28th, 2003, 08:11 PM
With that said, This is my list by the Open

1. Venus Williams
Why? French+Wimbledon+UsOpen= Drop
2. Serena Williams
Why? See Venus
3. Amelie Mauresmo
Why? On her day, is the 3rd best player
4. Kim Clijsters
Why? On her day, is the 3rd best player
5. Monica Seles
Why? 0 pts during Clay, 0 pts during Summer= Rise
6. Lindsay Davenport
Why? Shes only 75% of the player she used to be
7. Justine Henin-Hardenne
Why? The above are better
8. Jelena Dokic
Why? See Henin
9. Jennifer Capriati
Why? See Davenport
10. Daniela Hantuchova
Why? See Henin

Let the arguing begin
9.

The Crow
Jan 28th, 2003, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by mmcdonald
Why will Henin fall?

She'll LOSE to Amelie
She'll LOSE to Monica
She'll LOSE to Hantuchova
She'll LOSE to Capriati
She'll LOSE to Davenport



Like in all the time?? Hell, how did this girl ever get in the top 10 (let alone top 5) :confused:

QUEENLINDSAY
Jan 28th, 2003, 08:56 PM
Lindsay will be top 4 by wimbledon.

fleemke³
Jan 28th, 2003, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by The Crow
Like in all the time?? Hell, how did this girl ever get in the top 10 (let alone top 5) :confused:

Wel Joris .. she has beaten Jen on a bad day in the Wimbledon semi's, a bad Monica in the quaters of that tournament a year later, a very bad Serena in Berlin (?), a very very very bad Linds at the AO, a awfull Venus ... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Well she didn't win anything you know, the others always lost it :rolleyes:

Go Justine :bounce::worship:

per4ever
Jan 28th, 2003, 09:12 PM
hmmm Justine owns Capriati...normally she should win most of their encounters. Seles, with all respect, is on her way back. Justine can surely beat Daniela.. Linds and Amelie are the hard ones.

The Crow
Jan 28th, 2003, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by fleemke²
Wel Joris .. she has beaten Jen on a bad day in the Wimbledon semi's, a bad Monica in the quaters of that tournament a year later, a very bad Serena in Berlin (?), a very very very bad Linds at the AO, a awfull Venus ... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Well she didn't win anything you know, the others always lost it :rolleyes:

Go Justine :bounce::worship:

+ she cheats all the time too, faking injuries and stuff ;)

fleemke³
Jan 28th, 2003, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by The Crow
+ she cheats all the time too, faking injuries and stuff ;)

Damn how could I forget that :eek::eek: :cool:

caseyl45
Jan 28th, 2003, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by mmcdonald
With that said, This is my list by the Open

1. Venus Williams
Why? French+Wimbledon+UsOpen= Drop
2. Serena Williams
Why? See Venus
3. Amelie Mauresmo
Why? On her day, is the 3rd best player
4. Kim Clijsters
Why? On her day, is the 3rd best player
5. Monica Seles
Why? 0 pts during Clay, 0 pts during Summer= Rise
6. Lindsay Davenport
Why? Shes only 75% of the player she used to be
7. Justine Henin-Hardenne
Why? The above are better
8. Jelena Dokic
Why? See Henin
9. Jennifer Capriati
Why? See Davenport
10. Daniela Hantuchova
Why? See Henin

Let the arguing begin
9.

You realize that if you're going to say, "this will be the top ten by the U.S. Open," then you probably shouldn't use U.S. Open results in your argument, right?
As far as your list is concerned, you're telling us all that you think that between now and the end of August, Venus Williams will close a gap of 1619 points (the gap between her and Serena), Amelie Mauresmo will close a gap of 1034 points (the gap between her and Clijsters), Monica Seles will close a gap of 915 points (the gap between her and Hantuchova), Mauresmo and Clijsters are equally good (yet Mauresmo is better), no new players will enter the top ten, Lindsay Davenport will do better in her pre-U.S. Open run than she did last year, and Justine Henin-Hardenne, Daniela Hantuchova, and Jelena Dokic will drop simply because "The above are better?"
Once again, your points total changes based on how you do at a tournament compared to how you did the year before. If you have more opportunities to improve on your results from the previous year, you're more likely to move up in the rankings. That being said, although Davenport, Mauresmo and Seles have tremendous opportunities to improve their points totals, so do Clijsters, Henin-Hardenne, and Hantuchova. The question is going to be, do they have enough opportunities, and are they going to do well enough when they do defend big points, to stay ahead of Davenport, Mauresmo, and Seles? In the case of Clijsters and Henin-Hardenne, they don't necessarily have to play better than the competition below them, they just have to be good enough at the tournaments where they have those big points to defend. (I'm not saying that they're not good players, it's just that with this math, that's all they have to do.).
In Hantuchova's case, it's going to be harder because the gap between her and Davenport (667 points) means that there are five players within that gap, plus Anastasia Myskina is lurking just 21 points behind that, also with opportunities to move up. And then, of course, you have players like Chanda Rubin and Patty Schnyder, who have been there before, and have the ability to get there again, along with Elena Bovina and Eleni Daniilidou, who are further back, but still good enough to have people talking about them.
Because the rankings below number four are so close, Hantuchova is the most vulnerable top five player, but once again, because the Belgians have so many opportunities to improve, and because the Williamses are miles ahead of Clijsters and Henin-Hardenne, I still say that AT THIS POINT and BARRING INJURY, the top four isn't going to change. Below that, though, it's going to be fun to see what happens.

jenny161185
Jan 28th, 2003, 10:58 PM
i would nt put danni ahead of capriati shes never beaten her and is nt as good in my opinion - alot of these predictions seem acurate. I think Kim will saty at number 3 she is well ahead of Meuresmo and she has barely any points to defend at RG and Wimbledon

CJ07
Jan 29th, 2003, 12:15 AM
casey, i completely understand what your saying

However, more comes into play than just consistentcy,

Think

Lets say Justine and Monica play each other in the QF seemingly every tournament (like many others did last year)

On their best days, Seles wins

Thats Bonus points, plus tournament points...whats that mean? She moves up

Same with Clijsters and Mauresmo, Same with EVERYONE

The fact that Justine and Kim are the #3 and 4 seeds make them VULNERABLE because when they lose, that means mega bonus pts for their conquerors, a position they were in before

CJ07
Jan 29th, 2003, 02:12 AM
bump

caseyl45
Jan 29th, 2003, 03:42 AM
Originally posted by mmcdonald
casey, i completely understand what your saying

However, more comes into play than just consistentcy,

Think

Lets say Justine and Monica play each other in the QF seemingly every tournament (like many others did last year)

On their best days, Seles wins

Thats Bonus points, plus tournament points...whats that mean? She moves up

Same with Clijsters and Mauresmo, Same with EVERYONE

The fact that Justine and Kim are the #3 and 4 seeds make them VULNERABLE because when they lose, that means mega bonus pts for their conquerors, a position they were in before

I can agree with most of that.
However, the mere fact that Kim and Justine are third and fourth in the world indicates that they're both better players now than they were a year ago, and sometimes it can be frustrating to see people constantly giving certain players a hard time. It just so happens that Justine is one of those players that fans are constantly knocking down. That's really nobody's fault -- there's just something that seems to make her an easy target. I don't know if people just don't like her or what, but she's almost always the one that's going to be out of the top ten by the end of the year, or in this case, down to seventh or eighth in the rankings by Wimbledon or the U.S. Open. In terms of results, Hantuchova and Dokic haven't done as much as she has, yet people don't seem to knock them down as much.
If things turn out like they do in your hypothesis, you're right Seles will move up. My question is, will she be able to close a gap of 915 points between now and Wimbledon (or the U.S. Open)? Both players have points to defend, and I don't know what Seles' exact schedule is, but if she can't defend her big tournament points in the events where she and Henin-Hardenne don't play each other, it will be harder for her to close that gap when (and if) they do get the chance to play each other. In terms of big points, I think (and don't quote me on this) Monica was runner-up in Tokyo and a semifinalist at Indian Wells and at Miami last year. If she doesn't at least match those points, she'll have to use some of the tournaments where she doesn't have as many points to defend to make up for what she lost in points (if that makes any sense). Once again, though, this is all hypothesizing.
I'm no mathematician, but I would be willing to guess that if Henin-Hardenne does reasonably well in the tournaments where she has big points to defend, it would be semi-difficult for Seles to catch her until after Wimbledon. If she does the same as she did last year, it would be even more difficult, and if she does better, it would be nearly impossible, and I'm only saying that because I have a rough idea of what her schedule is and what she has to defend. In any case, whether or not Monica can move into the top four may depend more on Justine than on her. A lot of it may depend on luck of the draw -- let's face it, Monica has a much better chance against Kim or Justine in a quarterfinal (or semifinal) than she would against a Williams sister. Despite their improved consistency, both Kim and Justine still have their off-patches once in a while. At this stage in her career, though, if Monica can get back up that high (to the top four), then good for her.

I would be willing to change my mind if things change in the next couple of months, but based on what I saw at the Australian Open, I'll stick by what I've written before -- I think the top four now will be the top four at Wimbledon. All-around, Serena, Venus, Kim, and Justine are the four best players in the world right now, and that's not something I see changing.
With the opportunities that they have to gain points, I think that fifth and sixth will come down to Monica and Lindsay, and maybe Daniela, but only if she can avoid some of the upsets that she was vulnerable to last year. She's improved her consistency, though, and I think her top ten position is safe. Whoever of those three isn't fifth or sixth will be seventh, and then eighth, ninth, and tenth will come down to everyone else.
Amelie Mauresmo, I'm not going to judge, because I haven't been able to see her play at all this year. All I'll say about her is that if she comes back out of shape, or with a lack of confidence, she'll have a hard time moving up or even staying where she is. Reasonably, come Wimbledon, she could be anywhere from fifth or sixth to outside the top ten -- it's that close, and her history of inconsistency is what's keeping me from making a judgment.
I think that Capriati, if she plays with the form she started the year with, will be vulnerable as well. If she wants to remain in the top ten, she'll have to come back much better than she did at the start of the year.
Jelena Dokic, I think, is going to stay in the top ten. Despite playing so much it was ridiculous last year, she somehow managed to maintain enough consistency to remain there throughout the year. If she's not playing as much this year, it could bode well for her, as she could find herself fresher during the late-season tournaments.
That leaves, in my opinion, anyway, two vulnerable spots in the top ten, and those are Mauresmo's and Capriati's spots. Those two are still the most likely candidates to remain in those spots, but if it gets close, I think the most likely players to contest for them are the two Russians, Anastasia Myskina and Elena Bovina (once again, on the form they showed in the first few tournaments this year), although Chanda Rubin also has a decent chance, and Patty Schnyder, if she can defend her big points, would be a dark horse, but I think she's the least likely of these players to get there.
For what it's worth, I'm terrible at guessing these things, but it's still fun to try to say what might happen.

tenn_ace
Jan 29th, 2003, 04:22 AM
I personally think Capriati will be out of top 10. Her fairy tale is over

Henin will keep #4

Mauresmo will unlikely to do any significant damage (even if she strats playing at Gaz de France) considering type of her injury.

Lindsay have already played enough since she came back to get her confidence back, so I don't see a huge breakthrough in the ranking

Elena B. will surprise by entering top 10

per4ever
Jan 29th, 2003, 07:28 AM
caseyl...I agree with most of what you say :)

Why do people say that Seles would win against Henin-Hardenne?? At this moment Justine is the better player, if they would meet now, Justine would win. Like Casey said, people always seem to think Justine will do badly. I remember the forecasts at the beginning of last year: Justine will drop out of top ten etc etc. Look at where she is now, she already played 4 GS-semi's and one final.

martinafan
Jan 29th, 2003, 08:02 AM
I don't think people should write Jelena off that easily...she's a very very good player and definitely belongs in the 6-10 range. There is no doubt in my mind that jelena is a top 10 player, and even has the potential to be in the top 5.

She doesn't have that many points to defend until the clay season - only one good performance at Paris, so she can really only climb by then.