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anton
Jan 25th, 2003, 12:08 PM
Serena will hit some errors but she hits winners too so this is not too big of a weakness. It normally balances out. So looking at the matches she lost, why did she lose them?

2002 Kim in LA
2002 Justine on clay
2002 Patty Schnyder on clay
2002 Chanda rubin on hard courts

In the Kim match Serena said she was tired from playing Jennifer the pervious day indirectly. I think Chanda caught a rusty Serena and mixed in net play. I did not see the Patty and Justine mathces but what is amazing is other than the match where she was "tired," all of these ended 7-5 or 7-6 in the third set which means that Serena is not normally going down without a tough fight.

so here is my short list:

Serena's Weaknesses (WTA PLAYERS PLEASE READ THIS)
1 might be rusty and/or tired
2 can be rushed from the net
3 on clay maybe she loses some power
4 hitting down the middle hard to her feet can get her off balance
5 can make too many errors

not too much to work with...:confused:

Sam L
Jan 25th, 2003, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by anton
Serena's Weaknesses (WTA PLAYERS PLEASE READ THIS)
1 might be rusty and/or tired
2 can be rushed from the net
3 on clay maybe she loses some power
4 hitting down the middle hard to her feet can get her off balance
5 can make too many errors


1. Well who isn't, that's not a weakness at all, and she pulls out of those matches too now.

2. I don't think there are good enough serve/volleyers to exploit this weakness.

3. Not really, she gets time to set up her shots, and she's really comfortable sliding on clay now.

4. Hitting straight to her, to her feet or serving into her body are always effective, but can't do that all the time.

5. I think this is a little bit mental and really out of control from the opponents perspective.

My suggestion is a really good serve/volleyer (that means a serve as strong as Venus with excellent volleys) who uses a lot of spin (top and slice) from the baseline. I think she can exploit Serena's weaknesses ;)

Aloysius
Jan 25th, 2003, 12:19 PM
Careful, Serena might sue you (loss of earnings???) for exposing her weaknesses. ;) ;) ;)

Penne1
Jan 25th, 2003, 12:20 PM
Her potty mouth :p ;)

Experimentee
Jan 25th, 2003, 12:27 PM
I think her main weakness is that when she has an off day, she sprays so many balls and her opponents really just need to get the ball in play. But now she very rarely has off days and when she does can usually get herself out of it. I noticed today Venus won some points when she was aggressive and came to the net to volley, so i think putting pressure on at the net is the way to go, but not even Venus could do it consistently today.

Mattographer
Jan 25th, 2003, 12:40 PM
I agree with Sam. Serena hates slices!

TeeRexx
Jan 25th, 2003, 12:44 PM
SERENAS' weaknesses:

1. shopping
2. James Blake
3. hair dye
4. kryptonite

Bye. :wavey:

irma
Jan 25th, 2003, 12:58 PM
meat
she let's her sis do the work at home
calls her sis a ######### bitch :p
she doesn't share grand slams with her cinderella sis

serena is bad :devil: ;)

way
Jan 25th, 2003, 01:23 PM
well, she's a J. witness, if y'know what I mean........
:)

Rae Q.
Jan 25th, 2003, 01:57 PM
Sure she has weaknesses but where no one has her beat is having fierce determination. Serena will not give up EVER and she showed that at the Australian. You can hate her for whatever reasons but give her credit for her self-confidence because you know what? If your fav's had Serena's self-confidence they'd be doing a lot better. I know that sounds like bragging but it's the truth and you guys know it. :)

anton
Jan 25th, 2003, 02:16 PM
people who saw the justine and patty matches, why did serena lose those two matches on clay?

per4ever
Jan 25th, 2003, 02:46 PM
I saw that match in Berlin...it was a gigantic fight..but Justine was just that lil bit better that day :) Just like Serena was a lil bit better in Rome.

Clay is imo Justine's best surface and an in shape Henin on clay is as good as an in shape Serena on clay :)

I'm not talking about any other surfaces ;)

harloo
Jan 25th, 2003, 06:27 PM
I saw both matches with patty schyder and justine.

In the schyder match Serena was very off her game and errant. She went up 3-0 in the third and she still lost. It kind of remind me of the chanda match where she went up 3-0 also in the third. I think you can really beat Serena when you catch her off her game and you know she's not prepared because of her level.

Now the when Justine beat her on clay, Serena's serve was iffy but Justine really was too good that day on that surface.

I think the way you beat Serena is being very strong mentally. If you aren't then she will roll over you even if you are leading. Jen could of beaten Serena in some of those matches last year, but Serena just would not let up when she was down and that was something jen couldn't handle.

irma
Jan 25th, 2003, 06:31 PM
indeed I think serena is at her most dangerous when she is behind. when she sets her tarzan screams in full alarm;)

per4ever
Jan 25th, 2003, 06:55 PM
so tactics for the players: let Serena win her games 'till the last games of the set, then break at the end and don't give her time to come back;)

azinna
Jan 25th, 2003, 07:00 PM
You need to keep her on the defensive (and guessing) with an astute mixture of pace and spin, baseline and net play. You also need to be offensive and incredible at defense. So far, I can see only Venus, perhaps Justine, being able to present this complete package on a given day this season.

Kim needs to show more willingness to get to net.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jan 25th, 2003, 07:40 PM
People that berlin match could have gone either way. It was a third set tie break and justine only won by two points.

TSequoia01
Jan 25th, 2003, 07:59 PM
Serena's major weaknesses are

1. Mental Focus - She has an intense fear of losing that sometimes blurrs her focus and mental sharpness.

2. Footwork - Getting better. Playing on clay truly improved Serena's game. It will do the same this year. A large percentage of Serena's errors come from poor footwork

3. Netgame - Serena has a pretty good backhand volley but her forehand volleys are really poor.

4. Attitude - Serena is placing way too much importance on being a star and not enough on being a decent person. Winning is nice but not at all cost. She will learn this I'm sure.

:cool:

1jackson2001
Jan 25th, 2003, 08:07 PM
Had Venus been more agressive and attacked the net more she would have beaten Serena IMO.

harloo
Jan 25th, 2003, 08:17 PM
the problem with the "Venus should of been more aggressive" theory is how aggressive can she be against a player who goes for everything and is just as aggressive as her. IMO, Serena was always the most aggressive out of the both of them but she wasn't consistent enough before.

Venus sets up her shots and is more thoughtful at times when construting points, whereas Serena will end points mostly after the first shot. I say what Venus needs to do is work on that second and improve that forehand and she will beat baby sis. IMO, that was the difference in this match.

Flappie
Jan 25th, 2003, 08:54 PM
I think venus is tactically better than Serena, but Serena's mental strenght is really unbelievable!

VS Fan
Jan 25th, 2003, 08:56 PM
Reminder:

In order to come to net, your last shot MUST put the other player in a defensive position. You can't simply come to net on every play.

Venus and Serena get few net play opportunities vs each other or for that matter against other top power players as well.

They both got to net more than usual yesterday, considering the opponent.

Brian Stewart
Jan 26th, 2003, 08:04 AM
If you look at 3 of those losses last year, you'll find they have something in common with the 1st round match here. Schnyder, Henin, Rubin, and Loit were able to change pace and spins. One of the keys to beating someone with power is to not feed the ball into their hitting zone. Move it around, up, down, don't give them a consistent look. Is it a coincidence that the first 3 players I mentioned beat Serena last year, while some higher ranked big hitters weren't able to turn the trick? Anyone that hits the ball hard and relatively flat is going to have an awfully tough time trying to beat Serena, or Venus. That's the style they feed on. And that's the style they practice against. Something different makes it tougher on them.

Serena still gets a bit impatient. She can't wait to give the ball a whack. She'll try to force winners that just aren't there. If I had to pick the first person to beat Serena this year, particularly from outside the family, under normal circumstances I say it's one of the first 3 I mentioned or Mauresmo, because they have the variety of shot necessary, plus the speed to handle most of Serena's shots. And they all have good hands at the net. Serena will struggle with passing shots if she's rattled and pressured.

tennisIlove09
Jan 26th, 2003, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by harloo
the problem with the "Venus should of been more aggressive" theory is how aggressive can she be against a player who goes for everything and is just as aggressive as her. IMO, Serena was always the most aggressive out of the both of them but she wasn't consistent enough before.

Venus sets up her shots and is more thoughtful at times when construting points, whereas Serena will end points mostly after the first shot. I say what Venus needs to do is work on that second and improve that forehand and she will beat baby sis. IMO, that was the difference in this match.

Totally beg to differ. Anyone who has watched ANY Venus/Serena match pre-Miami 2002 will see Venus has been WAY more aggressive.

Since 2002 Miami Venus hasn't nearly been as aggressive off the return of serve as she use to be.

Why? Obviously the first serve is tough to attack [just like Venus'], but Serena's serve is just as attackable as Venus'. Don't buy it? Ask Jennifer Capriati.

Venus has OWNED Capriati in the last 2 meetings...winning 64 76; 64 62. Compare that to Serena, who ALWAYS goes three with Jen. [Serena has beat her straights TWICE; Jen beat her straights ONCE. Serena 76 63; 75 76; Jen 61 76].

Venus sets up points better then Serena, she just doesn't go for them. I still say Venus Wanted Serena to win more then she wanted the win for herself.

BasicTennis
Jan 26th, 2003, 08:11 AM
hollywood is her weakness.;)

anton
Jan 26th, 2003, 10:27 AM
I think Venus needs to practice some in secret away from Serena. Too bad they can only play each other 3 or 4 times more this year. Their oz match was incredible. I would like to see them play each other more.

bis2806
Jan 26th, 2003, 10:39 AM
her ability in having good sex... lol... her grunts shows that she's desperate for one.... hehe

martinailuv
Jan 26th, 2003, 12:22 PM
i think junkballing her to death is the way to go. give her no rhythm whatsoever. that's why juju and patty give her headaches.

catkey94
Jan 26th, 2003, 01:31 PM
I think more people need to start attacking her second serve too. Because contrary to popular belief it is attackable. Loit proved that.

Volcana
Jan 26th, 2003, 01:40 PM
Serena will let herself get caught four or five feet into the court, near the sidelines. If you can make the shot, the opposite corner is a near certain winner, becuase Serena has to run backwards and sideways to run down a ball tailing away from her. It's not a very big opening, and she closes it fast but it's there consistently.

Justine and Venus are the only two players I've seen actively attempt to exploit this.

Experimentee
Jan 26th, 2003, 01:52 PM
I dont think slices and spins are really a true weakness for Serena. We've mentioned two players that use those tactics who troubled Serena, Patty and Loit. But Serenas head to head against Patty is 5-1, until last year Patty had never beaten Serena, and most of the matches were won easily. So a game like Pattys is not normally something Serena would struggle with. I didnt see that match, but it sounds like Serenas unforced errors were doing her in.

Volcana
Jan 26th, 2003, 02:11 PM
Experimentee - I did see the match, and yes it was Serena's UEs, but Patty never gave her the same thing to hit twice. Seeing Serena off-balance oand not on her game, Patty didn't give her any rythym, any consistent pace, any ANYTHING that might help her find her game.

Experimentee
Jan 26th, 2003, 02:35 PM
So really, mixing it up only works when she is off her game then. It cant be counted as a weakness on a normal day, or she would be losing more consistently to players like that. I doubt it would work if Venus started playing like patty in a slam final.

anton
Jan 26th, 2003, 03:12 PM
I think what happened to Venus is that she just missed some forehands in the first set on key points. If she can hit her forehand better on the key points she can beat Serena. Serena ALWAYS hits to Venus' forehand to try and get an error.