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CJ07
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:17 AM
FOUR Grandslams in a row
http://www.cnnsi.com/tennis/2002/australian_open/news/2002/01/21/ausopen_day9_ap/t1_venus_all.jpg
Lost

And in the last two, the match point was brought up by a Double Fault.

I hope this is the straw that breaks the camels back

But Congrats Serena on completing the Serena Slam

If you were her what would you to?

I'd get a new, one-sided coach
specifically an Australian who can teach me how to serve

Cybelle Darkholme
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:18 AM
she needs a new coach.
she needs a new second serve.
she needs a better net game. improved volleys.
she needs to add slices and spins and lobs.

THIS MUST BE DONE OR SHE IS FINISHED!

I almost wish kim won the semi!

1jackson2001
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:18 AM
And Venus fought so hard this time..and came real close to winning! :sad:


It must hurt so so badly...:sad:

joaco
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:18 AM
sorry mate, we were thinking the same. I deleted my post

BK4ever
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:21 AM
I know that Venus is DEVASTATED :sad: :sad:

gweeny
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:21 AM
I agree cybelle, she needs a new coach. I knew that serve was going to let her down. Untill that improves, Serena will win all the matches they play. It is very sad.

harloo
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:22 AM
Venue is not even working with Richard anymore. I think she is hitting with someone else. If she could just work out the kinks in her second serve she will be okay. That's basically what lost her the match tonight. Serena was too good tonight, I thought she would be tired or something but she raised the level up. Venus level was high also, but in the end the second serve did her in.

tennischick
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:22 AM
it's clear that this loss really hurt Venus.

emotionally i mean...

*plus what cybelle said*

CJ07
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:23 AM
It really is

You just cant have the same coach for 2 players

She needs to tell Anna that shes hopeless and steal Harold for a player that has talent :p

But seriously, I think that she should get someone to completely re-do her serve. She should pull out of everything untill the clay court season and just focus 100% on that Serve, because if Venus serve was where Serena's is, Venus would win everytime they play

selesadmirer
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:24 AM
I wanted venus to win.

harloo
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:24 AM
I'm devastated myself. I just cannot believe it. Serena was playing so badly this tournament until the end of the semis where she came up on Kimmy. I thought for sure Venus had it, but Serena proved me wrong.

Infiniti2001
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:25 AM
I am really numb. dunno what to say.

"Topaz"
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:25 AM
Yes, new coach, Vee.

Huh!

Oh well, okay guys, life goes on!

CJ07
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:29 AM
I think that Venus is going to pull out of some of her tournaments....just a hunch

HAIL-VENUS
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:30 AM
If Venus is devestated, then it's Venus's fault. She always seems to leave her heart and soul on the opposite side of the net when she's playing her sister. A totally different person when she's playing everybody else. Her emotional support for Serena instead of for herself is her Achilles Heel.

Martian KC
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:30 AM
I felt so bad for her. It looked like she wanted to fully congratulate Serena, but you can see she was devastated by losing to her 4 straight times.

spokenword73
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:31 AM
Venus will be more devestated to know that her g-ma died. Tennis, after all is just a game. She won't give up, she's a true champion.

gweeny
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:32 AM
It's going to be difficult for Serena to defend all those slams, she won last year, we can only hope that Venus is going to take advantage of the huge challenge that Serena will have.

catkey94
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:33 AM
Originally posted by HAIL-VENUS
If Venus is devestated, then it's Venus's fault. She always seems to leave her heart and soul on the opposite side of the net when she's playing her sister. A totally different person when she's playing everybody else. Her emotional support for Serena instead of for herself is her Achilles Heel.

I agree. She drops her level against Serena. She needs to work on her second serve. And get some help with her emotional issues with playing Serena. I think they need to play each other more often.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:34 AM
People she was really trying but her serve sucks! Without that first serve she goes down in flames!

No two top players should have the same coach period. Its not right.

Venus Forever
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:35 AM
Originally posted by harloo
I'm devastated myself. I just cannot believe it. Serena was playing so badly this tournament until the end of the semis where she came up on Kimmy. I thought for sure Venus had it, but Serena proved me wrong.

Oh, Venus had it. She just completely gave it away. That first set was just terrible. Venus took about 10 steps back from her level against Henin-Hardenne. She could have easily won it in straight sets.

I am seriously doubting Venus, she has truly disappointed me time in and time out in the slams the last year. She has become the new Martina Hingis, of getting to many slam finals, but just not winning. Venus constantly claims she is working on her second serve, but in fact, I think it may be even worse than it was 2 years ago. Same thing goes for the forehand.

Venus definitely needs a new coach to teach her how to serve correctly, as well as fix her other strokes and technique's. Playing with Serena seems to be only benefitting Serena, and Serena only.

Has Venus learned anything in the last year, because my doubts are growing and growing as to whether she has the desire to win. That first two sets, Venus did not attack. She let Serena take control of the ralleys and she couldn't handle it. It was either a Serena winner, Serena UFE, or a Venus UFE. Venus didn't start attacking until the end of the second, into the third.

That last game was just a total breakdown from Venus. The first serve went away, and the second serve got worse, plus the ultimate end of the forehand.

Just doubting Venus seriously right now. I love her and always will, and she will always be #1 fave, but I am just doubting her desire. I'm not doubting her abilities, she can definitely do anything she wants. She just doesn't seem to be there, she's content with her game and that's it. It just doesn't seem she wants to improve.

Sorry for my rambling. I'm just extremely sad right now.

Congrats Serena on your win.:)

Jericho
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:35 AM
im devastated...

Chance
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:36 AM
yep I agree with cybelle- Serena has the best return games in womens tennis- Venus's second serve is shit and against most players she can get away with it but not against Serena.

BK4ever
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:36 AM
I have to say that she was much more emotionally involved in this match...she really wanted it.

I mean she fought valiantly to hold serve in the 8th game.

She got nervous and missed her first serves and then tried to guide the second.

Yes her serve is a problem but it only has minor flaws...
she needs to fall into the court more...if she kept her arm extented longer...then she wouldnt fall off to the side like she has a tendency to do. She could potentially change her stance to create better placement. Her second serve has good kick, it just needs to be a lil deeper and with more pace.

She must find a serve coach...or she will lose three more slam finals this year :sad:

CJ07
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:36 AM
I agree with cybelle, the same coach just doesnt work after a certain time

lizchris
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:37 AM
Venus needs to go to the Bolliteri Academy where Serena has gone to tune up her skills. That is the only way she will beat Serena.

Chance
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:39 AM
VenusForever - you always doubt Venus when she loses but as soon as starts winning you're her no.1 fan again:rolleyes:

Tapatio
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:39 AM
does anybody knows if somebody else, men or women have lost 4 grandslams in a row? i don't think so.

tennis4life
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:45 AM
Damn, I am agreeing with most of the posts in this thread. I really think Venus wanted to win, but she seems to lack the killer instinct when she plays Serena. Clearly, Serena has no such problem. She goes for it!! Hell. Love you Venus, anyway!

t4l

Venus Forever
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:45 AM
Originally posted by sunset
VenusForever - you always doubt Venus when she loses but as soon as starts winning you're her no.1 fan again:rolleyes:

I don't doubt Venus' ability. I truly know she can beat anybody, anytime.

What I doubt is Venus' desire. She just doesn't seem to want to improve her game. She has been stuck at the same level for the past 3 years now, and it is time to improve, but it just doesn't seem she wants to.

I'm just a very concerned fan right now.:sad:

CJ07
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:45 AM
not in singles

this must be so crushing :sad:

BK4ever
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:46 AM
Venus does go to Nick's camp. Maybe she needs to change her grip slightly on the forehand. Because she can never catch it late and do anything with it. She has to have impeccable timing on it or it goes wild.

Rocketta
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:49 AM
what coach?? They don't have a coach? I mean Oracene is not a coach but more a support system. I mean is there someone other than Oracene that is their coach? If not then they don't have one and Venus needs to get one.

Informative
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:50 AM
I agree with Hail-Venus's assessment that Venus needs to separate herself emotionally from Serena when they play. It's obvious that there is a big difference in the way she plays serena as opposed to anyone else. Cybelle, I don't agree that Venus needs a new coach. Her problems with serena are more psychological than a matter of retooling her serve (i.e. she serves much better against every other player than she does her sister). Her second serve is obviously a problem but if she got her first serve in more when she needed it and made better approach shots before coming to the net it her weak second serve wouldn't matter so much. After all there have been plently players who have had suspect second serves who still played well enough to prevail in these kind of championship matches. I totally disagree that Venus has net/volley problems. Her net game is good--WHEN SHE GETS TO THE NET. Venus was about 85-90% successful when she came to the net and she actually volleys better than Serena. But the big problem is that she didn't come to the net nearly enough and her groundstrokes tonight were not as effective and she didn't for the lines nearly as much against Serena as she does every other player. After all Venus has only lost 19 matches in the past 3 years (out of 174 matches) and now 5 of those losses are to Serena! Serena hit so many forehand errors tonight that if Venus had played only marginally better in terms of her service game and approach shots she would have won this match. Frankly Venus should have won it but at crucial times during the match she simply didn't go for her shots the way she usually does. Unless/until Venus gets over or resolves her glaring psychological problems vis-a-vis Serena new coaching really won't make a discernible difference IMO.

I too am devastated and my heart really bleeds for Venus. I pray she will be able to come back from this but I seriously think it's gonna be very difficult for her. Her major challenge is MENTAL at this point and not simply a matter of retooling her game.

CJ07
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:50 AM
Venus just needs to START OVER with those two shots, the forehand and the 2nd serve

persond
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:51 AM
:) :) What seems to be your problem??? I don"t think Venus is a devastated as you all make it out to be!!!!Yes, she would have rather won, but, she stills feels the pride of Serena's accomplishment. Make no mistake about it.!!! However, I do see, the same result happening that we saw in '99 after Serena won the first USOpen. Venus will go on to win the next few Slams in a row. Just wait and see.!!!:D :D

I truely think you all are over reacting to what Venus' response might be. I truely believe she's happy for Serena, and will do better in the next two Slams.!!!:hearts: :hearts:

harloo
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:52 AM
You know what I'm proud of Venus for really taking it to Rena this time because at the Usopen she let go somewhat, hopefully next time she can go all the way.

IMO though Rena just didn't wan't to lose this match or the tournament . She was almost bounced out and she refused to lose. She did what she had to do. This match was very intense. Venus was trying hard, but that second serve set it up for Serena to return easily. I knew at the end that would be the difference.

:sad: :sad:

CJ07
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:53 AM
Good point Informative

But i really think its a combonation

HAIL-VENUS
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:53 AM
I agree with Venusforever. I have never doubted Venus before, but after tonight's match, I just don't believe that she will ever beat Serena again if she continues to carry such burden and emotional strain on herself. Venus could have...no, no, no...should have won tonight despite her 2nd serve. She was in her best possition out of all the slam finals against Serena to win. She totally gave up that last game. She didn't learn anything from Serena's semi final win about fighting and putting your all into a match. I think she's gonna need to see a therapist in order to let go of this ever present support of Serena at her own expense.

Rocketta
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:56 AM
well all I can say if you'll are ready to give up on Venus then move on cause she doesn't need fans like that. I know she could live without fans like that.

Thats to everyone.

CJ07
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:56 AM
She is just one of the many, many players that need a sports psychologist

Cybelle Darkholme
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:57 AM
i dont think she's devastated at all enlight of their grandma.

Jovon
Jan 25th, 2003, 04:58 AM
Originally posted by persond
What seems to be your problem??? I don"t think Venus is a devastated as you all make it out to be!!!!Yes, she would have rather won, but, she stills feels the pride of Serena's accomplishment. Make no mistake about it.!!! However, I do see, the same result happening that we saw in '99 after Serena won the first USOpen. Venus will go on to win the next few Slams in a row. Just wait and see.!!!

I totally agree.

DD
Jan 25th, 2003, 05:03 AM
Rocketta

WELL SAID.

CC
Jan 25th, 2003, 05:13 AM
I'm very disappointed ...

HAIL-VENUS
Jan 25th, 2003, 05:13 AM
Rocketta, in case you're referring to me....uhm, I think you should handle this loss the way you want to and let me do the same. Maybe you haven't been rooting for Venus the past 4 slams, only to see that nothing has changed, but I have. And if I want to express my feelings about what she needs to do in the future to beat Serena like she does everybody else, then I will and I don't care who doesn't like what I say. Oh, and a real fan can recognize their fav's faults, hope that they can recognize them for themselves, and change the situation. I don't know why some people find it so damn hard to criticise their favs when they are totally worthy of criticism.

TSequoia01
Jan 25th, 2003, 05:16 AM
Venus is improving, her lst serve was the best it has been in quite some time. That forehand and second serve does need additional work. Venus is smart enough to know. She will beat Lil Sis again and win slams as well. :cool:

Rocketta
Jan 25th, 2003, 05:18 AM
hail-venus--no that wasn't just to you it was to everyone who are saying, "I'm about to give up on Venus". I think critisizing her game is a must cause she has to do something about it. Giving up on her is different.

for the record I've rooted for Venus to win them all but the French not that it makes any difference.

You grieve how ever you want. You say whatever you want and I'll do the same. No problem here.

ohh, and I did see a lot of change in Venus. I'm sorry you didn't.

harloo
Jan 25th, 2003, 05:24 AM
Rocketta you are right. I did see changes in Venus game and mental approach to playing Serena. She took her time and played some excellent points to get out of trouble. However, I think Vee is somewhat in denial about that second serve. It just sits up for Rena to attack, and she is the best returner in the WTA right now. IMO, noone can return like her currently and she feeds off of Venus's shaky second.

Averylove
Jan 25th, 2003, 05:39 AM
You Venus Fans are pathetic :( for the simple Reason is that Serena is the best Player in the world for the past year and counting ! Venus did not have a problem at all When your playing my " Ming The Merciless One " aka Serena you have to be flawless
and Venus can beat everybody else but my Serena ;) so stop whinning about coaches and Second Serves & stuff and accept the fact That Determination beats ability everytime :lick: I love Venus don't get me wrong But is was not her fault ! Blame
Ming The Merciless One " for having no mercy on the court !
and even if Venus Had a second Sereve it still wouldn't matter Cause Serena was dertermine to Win a Serena Slam and she belongs with the greats before this Slam and you Venus fans fail to see this and Look under every rock for a flaw in Venus :mad:
Shame on you !!!!!!!!
And if this is any consulation I see Venus Winning the Frech Open
comming up against My Serena so cheers and enjoy the great Ming the Merciless One while we have her :drool:

BK4ever
Jan 25th, 2003, 06:02 AM
Avery...I'm gonna give you and ming the merciless one a harlem beatdown...this is a venus thread...start your own serena thread...be out...u hear me...LOL

Rocketta
Jan 25th, 2003, 06:03 AM
Originally posted by harloo
Rocketta you are right. I did see changes in Venus game and mental approach to playing Serena. She took her time and played some excellent points to get out of trouble. However, I think Vee is somewhat in denial about that second serve. It just sits up for Rena to attack, and she is the best returner in the WTA right now. IMO, noone can return like her currently and she feeds off of Venus's shaky second.

Yeah and its not that serious! Even if she was losing 4 straight times to Capriati, God forbid. I would still root for her the next time and think this will be it. :)

Jovon
Jan 25th, 2003, 06:56 AM
I don't think Venus is devastated probably upset because she did not win but I think she is very happy for Serena.

I am also very happy. I looked at it like this, I have no doubt that Venus will be in many more Slam finals and win them (even against Serena) but this might have been Serena only chance to hold all four majors at once a.k.a. "Serena Slam" which will be in the history books forever and no one can take that away from her.

As a WILLIAMS' fan although Venus is my #1 fav and Serena #2, to me Serena's victory tonight was a win for the whole Williams family and don't forget Venus and Serena together also made history by competing in their 4th straight consective final.


Here's to many more Williams finals, now it is Venus turn to win the next 4! :bounce: