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Oizo
Jan 24th, 2003, 03:45 PM
I think that if Venus won´t win again it will be really sad, from her point of view. On the other hand maybe she will be happy if Serena wins the GRAND SLAM after 15 years, when the last person to do so, Steffi Graf, won it.

DD
Jan 24th, 2003, 03:48 PM
i agree but it not sad when your sister is the winner.

joao
Jan 24th, 2003, 05:13 PM
There's till a long way for Serena to win the GS. If she wins tomorrow, she'll have the Serena slam which is different.

But losing 4 straight GS finals has to be painful. Has it been done BTW?

Helen Lawson
Jan 24th, 2003, 05:16 PM
I think Evert lost 4 in a row that she was playing but had skipped one in the interim. I believe Evert lost '83 U.S. Final, skipped '83 Australia, lost in finals of '84 RG, '84 WB, and '84 U.S.

The Crow
Jan 24th, 2003, 05:18 PM
Which is worse? Did you actually ask "Which is worse?"? :eek: :eek:

WtaTour4Ever
Jan 24th, 2003, 06:37 PM
no actually he asked "which is worseR"

The Crow
Jan 24th, 2003, 06:38 PM
Yeah but isn't worse correct? *trying to remember English classes form ages ago* ;)

mn73
Jan 24th, 2003, 07:47 PM
Good question (ignoring the grammar people!).

I think Serena desperately wants this - more because she wants to be in a position for a proper Grand Slam this year than for her self-styled Serena Slam. But mentally for Venus it would hurt more than the US Open I would have thought. Then she could have thought 'well 2002 is Serena's year' but to lose again would be 'uh oh... and 2003'.

And to people who say Williams-Williams finals are dull - what about the ATP Slam finals!?! YAWN!!! We've had Nalbandian, Johansson, Costa and Schuttler in finals in 2002 and 2003. Hardly big names!?! Thank God for Sampras and Agassi in the US last year. An Agassi-Roddick final would have been good, but there you go!

Helen Lawson
Jan 24th, 2003, 07:50 PM
Comparing two alternatives, the word is "worse." Comparing three or more alternatives, the word is "worst." Bad, worse, worst.

tennischick
Jan 24th, 2003, 09:50 PM
it's "bad" that V keep losing to S

it would be "worse" if she lost again

and the "worst" would be if Serena was denied the chance to complete her own Slam IMO...;) ;)

Gonzo Hates Me!
Jan 24th, 2003, 09:54 PM
To be so close and not get the Grand Slam is sadder

Helen Lawson
Jan 24th, 2003, 09:59 PM
It's a career slam but not the Grand Slam. The Grand Slam happens one place and one place only, Flushing Meadows.

Sam L
Jan 24th, 2003, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by Mark Newman
We've had Nalbandian, Johansson, Costa and Schuttler in finals in 2002 and 2003. Hardly big names!?! Thank God for Sampras and Agassi in the US last year. An Agassi-Roddick final would have been good, but there you go!

Big names don't = Good quality.

Out of the Williams finals, I'd say their best was the Wimbledon finals. That really was high quality, one of the best matches in terms of quality I've seen, but not the others.

Now I'm not saying that any of the mens' finals were high quality but just because you have no names that doesn't mean it's going to be bad. Costa-Ferrero was a GOOD match, even if the scorelines don't reflect it, who would've though Costa would've taken it to Ferrero? Likewise with Safin-Johansson.

catkey94
Jan 24th, 2003, 10:08 PM
I think losing 4 grandslams is much worse than stopping your sister from winning 4 in a row. I mean mentally that could really hurt a player, and I don't care who she is playing against. A loss is a loss. And to get that close and not win would do some damage no matter who is on the other side of the net. It is just human nature.

Venus Forever
Jan 24th, 2003, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by catkey94
I think losing 4 grandslams is much worse than stopping your sister from winning 4 in a row. I mean mentally that could really hurt a player, and I don't care who she is playing against. A loss is a loss. And to get that close and not win would do some damage no matter who is on the other side of the net. It is just human nature.

I agree.

I desperately hope that Venus can turn the tables this time to win the Aussie Open.

Sorry Serena, but the Serena Slam will have to wait. The VENUS SLAM comes first.;)

kiwifan
Jan 24th, 2003, 10:37 PM
I think the key missing component to this question is that Venus has won 4 slams. If you've never won one, losing 4 in a row could be suicide inducing. However having won 4 including having beaten her current opponent before, it isn't nearly the tragedy it could be.
That said, losing the Serena Slam would be more painful than losing four slams in a row.
Calendar year or not, if you have all four; you are in the company of the "upper-elite".
I remember when Navrat got her four in a row but not in the same calendar year. They actually celebrated it as a Grand Slam at the time.
It was only when Steffi got a "real one" that Navrat's was put back into perspective.
To me the calendar is just silly semantics. If you have all four "ain't nothin' else needs to be said" (my tribute to the grammar lessons above).