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Brian Stewart
Jan 24th, 2003, 12:59 AM
Not so fast! You may think you know where this thread is going, think again. :)

This refers to the previous day. At 18-19 in the 5th set, a blown call cost El Aynaoui a match point try. A couple of points later, Roddick held for 19-all. Then came the interruption of play, with Roddick handing his racquet to a ball kid. El Aynaoui joined in the spirit of things and did likewise.

However, that interruption seemed to disrupt E-A's rhythm, and he lost serve for what would prove to be the decisive break.

So, were Roddick's antics just innocent fun, or an act of gamesmanship? And even if we assume the former, why wasn't even the possibility of the latter, however remote they may feel it was, addressed by the announcers? They certainly seemed much more alert to such things the next day.

Your thoughts, opinions, etc.? FTR, I'm inclined to give people the benefit of the doubt. I just find the silence of the "pros" curious.

anton
Jan 24th, 2003, 01:01 AM
i dont know. espn was showing that match from the 5th set or 4th but it went too long. i had to turn off the tv at 18-19 i think. they should have played a tiebreak. i mean its a good match but people have a life and cant stay for 5 or 6 hours

-Sonic-
Jan 24th, 2003, 01:05 AM
Its not a Roddick match without a bit of it is it?

Informative
Jan 24th, 2003, 01:44 AM
Of course Roddick was trying to break Aynaoui rhythm with his antics (he's done this sort of thing before as a matter of fact). The reason why he wasn't called on it by the media is that he is the "golden boy" of American tennis and the Williams sisters aren't perceived as being in the same category, if you get my drift...The sad and pathetic thing about Roddick's gamesmanship is that it marred an otherwise great match, and that it further confirms that the Williams sisters will continue to be unfairly maligned by many "pros" and others while Roddick will be allowed to do whatever he chooses as long as he doesn't physically attack an opponent...

go hingis
Jan 24th, 2003, 01:52 AM
IMO, Just a little bit of fun, like I've had enough, you try finishing this one off. At that point I doubt Andy came up with such a ploy to ruin El's rythem.

calabar
Jan 24th, 2003, 03:17 AM
Its called a DOUBLE STANDARD!! Plain and simple

mishar
Jan 24th, 2003, 06:02 AM
oh please. Younes participated also -- was it gamesmanship on his part also?

They asked Younes about it in his interview and he said he didn't think it was gamesmanship on Andy's part.

Sam L
Jan 24th, 2003, 06:19 AM
NO, and I'm no fan of Andy Roddick, but the longer that match went the more it favoured Andy Roddick (10 years younger).

If anyone saw the Younes vs. Hewitt match you'll see that that Younes' forehand was a pale comparison of it was in that match particularly in the late stages of the 5th set. That's why he lost.

So no definitely not. And my my some of you are jealous, can't stand that Andy's holding some spotlight of his own, can you?

LozHippy
Jan 24th, 2003, 06:22 AM
It may mean nothing, but on British Eurosport, I think one of the comentators said that Andy wanted the ball boys to carry on longer than Younes did.

SM
Jan 24th, 2003, 09:18 AM
They both were so nice and hugged at the end and it was great it didnt end with bitterness. It was my fave match at this open and way better tha anything the wat produced! :) well done to younes on taking our #1 and this awesomematch and keep it going roddick :)

Scorch
Jan 24th, 2003, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by The Visored Boy
we need more fun moments like that in tennis :D

Could not agree more :D

Scorch
Jan 24th, 2003, 09:37 AM
It seems as though if you liked Andy before, this will make you like him even more...

and of course if you did not like him before you will like him even less now.

Go figure.

Larrybid
Jan 24th, 2003, 10:16 AM
I reject all talk of gamesmanship. Its idiotic to me. Even if some player was trying to practice gamesmanship, what kind of player worth a damn would let an opponent get into his head anyway? Its insane.

For example, what would you call a player in the NBA who couldn't shoot free throws if fans were waving and yelling obcinites behing the basket? Or a placekiker in football who couldn't make a field goal after the opposing team delays play with a time-out? I'd call that player USELESS. And I'd use the same word to describe a tennis player who lost focus during the biggest match of their life. Any player who could be 'gamed" is not worth taking about. Gamesmanship is only an issue if the players in question are weak of mind. Tennis players are way to fragile creatures to me if they or thier fans make an issue of gamesmanship.

tennisIlove09
Jan 24th, 2003, 10:22 AM
both had unbelievable heart. In the end, watching them hug, and Andy raise Younes' hand...as to say "We both won" was unbelievable. Mary Carillo, Pat MacEnroe, Cliff were all moved by the match, as was I.

LozHippy
Jan 24th, 2003, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by Larrybid
I reject all talk of gamesmanship. Its idiotic to me. Even if some player was trying to practice gamesmanship, what kind of player worth a damn would let an opponent get into his head anyway? Its insane.

For example, what would you call a player in the NBA who couldn't shoot free throws if fans were waving and yelling obcinites behing the basket? Or a placekiker in football who couldn't make a field goal after the opposing team delays play with a time-out? I'd call that player USELESS. And I'd use the same word to describe a tennis player who lost focus during the biggest match of their life. Any player who could be 'gamed" is not worth taking about. Gamesmanship is only an issue if the players in question are weak of mind. Tennis players are way to fragile creatures to me if they or thier fans make an issue of gamesmanship.

I think it's better to compare tennis to snooker or golf - other sports where concentration is given a high priority.

Tennis is a mental struggle. I don't believe I've ever seen a player who had 100% tunnel vision , and who didn't go in and out of different zones, based on many factors.

The Crow
Jan 24th, 2003, 01:31 PM
I'm pretty sure it wasn't Roddick intention, but it (partly) gained him the match. You just saw that that little break, didn't do El Aynaoui's concentration any good. But as I said, I don't think it was Roddick's intention at all.

Experimentee
Jan 24th, 2003, 04:03 PM
I dont know if it was Andys intention, i think he was tired and wanted to gain himself a bit more rest. But I think it did break Younes' concentration a little.
I can imagine if it was Serena that did this though, the board would be all over her! People are already implying gamesmanship because the TRAINER took an extra 90 seconds, so it wouldnt surprise me.

Gallofa
Jan 24th, 2003, 04:55 PM
I don't think his intention was to break Younes concentration, stop his momentum or get an unfair advantage out of it, as other players do when they time their medical time outs or bathroom breaks. So, while I think Andy is a very silly person, in this case, no, I don't think there was any gamesmanship. I hadn't even thought of it until you mentioned it, Brian.

The Crow
Jan 24th, 2003, 04:57 PM
I had thought of it. I actually predicted it (to myself ;)) when the two ballkids played their brilliant point ;)