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TeeRexx
Jan 23rd, 2003, 07:56 PM
MSNBC
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The media waited 15 minutes before turning on their former darling and have put Clijsters in the Chokers club along with the most infamous choker, Jana Novatna.

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If Kim did not already have enough pressure on her with the tour itself and being named as the one to stop the WILLIAMS, now the media has hung the title of choker around her neck.

The vicious cycle has begun as more pressure is heaped on Kim and with every GS title that she doesn't win, the more pressure that will be piled upon this unfortunate athlete.

Both VENUS and SERENA have said playing the matches is easy compared to the pounding that the tour forces them to take from the media at every tournament in which they compete.

The media will be sure to add more pressure to Clijsters and Capriati to produce as the Roland Garros Grand slam now will loom larger with every media word spoken or printed.

spokenword73
Jan 23rd, 2003, 08:04 PM
no offense to Kim, but how is she such a great player?? her serve is soft and she seems to wilt (choke) under pressure. she may be a great player one day, but she needs time to mature.

wongqks
Jan 23rd, 2003, 08:22 PM
well a ot of players face those time, remeber Venus in 1998, 1999 when she did well in small tourneys but fail in big tourney, and after 1999 US Open, the media is jumping on her? I am sure Kim will do just fine :)

RAA
Jan 23rd, 2003, 09:39 PM
and lets not forget that serena was TERRIBLE about closing out matches for a while.
terrible at it.
now look at her...

i'm less worried about the media hyping it than I am about Kim getting over it. these things can linger in the brain...

TeeRexx
Jan 23rd, 2003, 09:59 PM
Before, during and after every future SERENA/Clijsters match the media will bring up this come from behind victory by SERENA.
It will definitely take a GS win to get this choker title off of Kim, but she should prevail in the near future.

Zenith
Jan 23rd, 2003, 10:05 PM
That's very true TeeRexx, I like Kim and she doesn't get caught up in the trash talk like other contenders.

I hope Venus will show no mercy to little sis in the final, 3 in a row is too much.

TeeRexx
Jan 23rd, 2003, 10:37 PM
Zenith - VENUS may stop little sis, but then she may decide to go on a three or four GS run herself. :)

Penne1
Jan 24th, 2003, 12:04 AM
Serena really lifted her play after going down 1-5 - what did she have left to lose???

Kim's service game at 4-5 was pretty awful but I think it was more about the incredible pressure that 'error free' Williams tennis was putting on her than just an outright choke.

Serena played shocking tennis to go down 1-5 and totally turned it around being virtually error free from that moment.

These players that win multiple slams and get to #1 don't get there without being unbelievable competitors......Kim's moment will come - it just wasn't meant to be yesterday.

Lisbeth
Jan 24th, 2003, 12:05 AM
Um, did the person who claimed Kim was not a very good player with a soft serve actually watch any of the last 3 weeks of tennis?

I'm not claiming she'd Serena-level just yet but she has played some outstaning tennis and she can beat anyone except the top two easily, basically.

Onto the subject though, I think she'll be OK. She's very well balanced and she is after all very young. She didn't choke in her RG final loss, so it's not really a pattern yet. If it happened 2 or 3 times in a row, I'd maybe worry. As it is I think people will remember Serena's comeback better (and it WAS an amazing comeback).

banana
Jan 24th, 2003, 12:54 AM
kim is a really good player, but to say that she could beat capriati or seles easily is kinda exaggerating! it would be a tough match and kim wouldn't be blown away but neither would cap or moni

Bright Red
Jan 24th, 2003, 12:58 AM
It's unfortunate that the media is trying to judge Kim so quickly. Having said that, I saw most of the match last night (I just couldn't bear to watch past 4-1 in the third :( ), I can't help believing that in that match Kim had to have choked. She was simply playing too good. But, one choke does not a choker make. Kim should keep her head up. She's an outstanding tennis player. She's without doubt of the three best players on the tour.

BK4ever
Jan 24th, 2003, 01:04 AM
I don't see why Kim has to fight off the "Choker" title when she didnt choke.

If you call keeping the ball in play and not hitting any winners "playing too good" then I guess she did choke.

I've said it before and I'll say again. She didnt choke because the match was never in her hands. It was always up to Serena. Points either ended with a Serena UE or winner (there were very few forced erors). Kim played passive up until she led 5-1 and played passive from 5-1 to 5-7. When someone maintains their same level of play for an entire match...how is that a choke.

I've been going back and forth here on the board and in real life with people all day about the true definition of choke. Glad to see that their are lots of differing opinions here as well.

TeeRexx
Jan 24th, 2003, 04:17 AM
It will be interesting to see how clijsters plays the remaining slams this year and if she can get over that amazing SERENA comeback.

caseyl45
Jan 24th, 2003, 06:24 AM
I think it would be very interesting to be inside Kim's head right now and to know what she really thinks about all of this. If she honestly doesn't believe she choked, that's a great thing for her. If she just said that for the media, though, I'd love to know if she thinks it was all her, or if it was part her and part Serena.
With some of the things that have come out in the press, I think how she bounces back in the next few weeks is going to be very important. If she keeps up her high level of play, once again, good for her. If she loses a few matches, though, it could be interesting.
In all honesty, though, I'm not really that worried about her. I think that, even if she has a few difficulties, having the support group she does (Is there anyone in that group who wasn't a decent athlete at some point?) will be a great help to her.
On a side note: I know that people give her father a hard time, sometimes, but I think that right now, if she has any doubts in her mind about this match, then he's going to have to be the one to help her through it.
And I agree wholeheartedly that some members of the media are being far too harsh with her. Kim is still only nineteen for goodness sake; give her a break. The Jana Novotna comparisons were not at all necessary. She blew a big lead, so what? Every other player out there has done the same thing at one point or another. I think that people forget this, because she's so good, but Kim's only been on tour since the middle of '99. That's just three-and-a-half years. How many other players have been able to do what she's done in that amount of time? When compared with Serena and Venus, she's not that experienced. Give her a little more time. This wasn't meant to be her tournament, but I honestly think that her time is going to come, and I think it will be sooner, rather than later.

keta
Jan 24th, 2003, 06:39 AM
For Kim life is just not about tennis so maybe thats why shes not taking it as seriosuly as some people on the board are.

servenrichie
Jan 24th, 2003, 09:44 AM
BK4ever wrote:
....I've said it before and I'll say again. She didnt choke because the match was never in her hands. It was always up to Serena. Points either ended with a Serena UE or winner (there were very few forced erors). Kim played passive up until she led 5-1 and played passive from 5-1 to 5-7. When someone maintains their same level of play for an entire match...how is that a choke.

Beg to differ here BK4ever, Kim was the one dictating most of the points, when they get in a rally, which eventually ensures a UE from Serena. Granted Serena did not serve well, and even after setting up a good point to hit a winner, she will dump it on the net or outside the court.
It was because:

1. she was so pumped up to kick Kim' ass, hence the unholy errors
2. Clijsters got so many balls back, but not ala Coetzer or Pistolesi, but she brings them back with interest ala Venus & Serena.
3. At 5-1 Serena realized it was over, what she said in her interview at that point was, "i dont want to loose 5-1" and just tried to bring that service through to 5-2. From that point on, she played it one point at a time. She was even smiling the few times she missed, which is very Serena-unlike.

4. At 5-5, she believed she could make it, which was why she had more errors getting 6-5 (i was telling her: Serena you get this game and you are in the finals, which was exactly what happened). Kim was still so shell-schocked, that she wouldnt have won that last game, even if her life depended on it.

To conclude, the match didnt totally depend on Serena. Clijsters played tactically a very impressive match.
Remember, give a man enough rope and he'd hang himself.

Rachel
Jan 24th, 2003, 10:32 AM
I agree w/the idea that the whole tagging from the media (that 'c' word ;) :D) could affect Kim, but hopefully she'll have a successful year -- the best way to silence!

TeeRexx
Jan 24th, 2003, 12:35 PM
Kim will definitely have to play well this year and get a win off of SERENA to help remove her choker tag.
Both of which she is quite capable of accomplishing.

The Crow
Jan 24th, 2003, 01:27 PM
The media sucked, sucks and will always suck. Too bad, but apparently this is what the readers want :confused:

irma
Jan 24th, 2003, 01:32 PM
yeah that's why civil journalism was created;)

BK4ever
Jan 24th, 2003, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by servenrichie
BK4ever wrote:

Beg to differ here BK4ever, Kim was the one dictating most of the points, when they get in a rally, which eventually ensures a UE from Serena. Granted Serena did not serve well, and even after setting up a good point to hit a winner, she will dump it on the net or outside the court.
It was because:

To conclude, the match didnt totally depend on Serena. Clijsters played tactically a very impressive match.
Remember, give a man enough rope and he'd hang himself.

I'm sorry but I in no way felt that Kim was dictating play, it wasnt like she was hitting penetrating shots forcing Serena into errors. Most of Serena's errors were Unforced. (I've watched the match several times).

Clijsters tactic is 20/20. If it works it's great. If it doesnt, its stupid. The reason why I think it was a stupid tactic is because its not her natural game. Kim is an aggressive player. She played passive the entire match. Therefore, when Serena found her range, she had no rhythm. She didnt know how to fight Serena's aggression, because she had abandoned her aggression in her strategy execution. HUGE MISTAKE! Had Kim played her game... and given Serena's lack of inspired play, she might have won the match in two easy sets.

Rae Q.
Jan 24th, 2003, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by The Crow
The media sucked, sucks and will always suck. Too bad, but apparently this is what the readers want :confused:

Totally! This article sucks and is so unfair to Kim. She choked yes but it's not like it's gonna be a scar for the rest of her career. All the best players have to go through this and I know because my fav Serena was choking left and right in 2000 and 2001.

Volcana
Jan 24th, 2003, 04:52 PM
The Novotna analogy is apt, but RAA is right.

TeeRexx
Jan 24th, 2003, 07:18 PM
RAA - The media never lets an unfortunate incident or exoerience go unforgotten.
That is the nature of that business.
Unfortunately.