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xan
Jan 23rd, 2003, 12:22 PM
INTERVIEW
Q. Two double-faults there at a tough spot. Was that the shakes? What is going on?
KIM CLIJSTERS: No, I was feeling pretty good, even that game. That's probably the only thing I regret a little bit is those two double-faults, because I don't know if I would do, you know, anything different in those games where I was up. I think she just, you know, started playing so much more aggressive and she hardly made any unforced errors anymore compared to in the beginning of that third set.

Q. Was it difficult for you to step up your game at the time she raised her level?
KIM CLIJSTERS: Well, you know, if she plays her best tennis, it's very hard to, you know, beat her. That's what she did towards the end. She just, you know, tried to go for everything. She hit everything a little bit harder and closer to the line.
But I kept fighting. I can't blame myself for anything, you know. I just kept trying and tried to hang in there. At the end, you know, it just wasn't good enough at the end.


Q. Thinking back on that match, it seemed from outside you either lost it instead of her win it. Was it nerves?
KIM CLIJSTERS: No, I wasn't nervous at all actually. No, not at all. No, I don't know. No, I think, like I said, I think she just started hitting the winners and much more than what she was in the beginning of the third set, where I went 5-1 up.



Do you believe her?

I think Kim certainly choked a little.

Josh
Jan 23rd, 2003, 12:25 PM
You know, she might have gotten a little nervous, you know, and Serena also raised her level you know.

fleemke³
Jan 23rd, 2003, 12:26 PM
She choked for sure :eek: ... :sad:

Experimentee
Jan 23rd, 2003, 12:26 PM
I've said before, she made a few errors when she was ahead but i dont think it was a choke, just that her level went down a little. Against Myskina towards the end you could see her level dropping too, but she managed to win that. Theres no reason for her to choke because shes been to a Slam final before and also beaten Serena before. Maybe she got nervous, and played like that but Serena still had to win it and she came up with the goods. It would be classless for Kim to say in the press conference that she choked and shes not like that at all.

bee
Jan 23rd, 2003, 12:29 PM
I think nobody would ever admit that they CHOKED !!!! :) :)
Kim can only learn from this experience... :)

Mase
Jan 23rd, 2003, 12:33 PM
She choked and she's right, look at how clean Serena was hitting the ball in the third, A HUGE difference.. thats a big factor.

gentenaire
Jan 23rd, 2003, 12:39 PM
She didn't choke at 5*-2, I can't blame her for not winning on those two match points -besides, Kim had a lot of luck in that game! At 5*-4, she did choke! And once it was 5-5 I knew there was no way Kim would win.

budgirlbz
Jan 23rd, 2003, 12:52 PM
whether she choked or not the game is already played..and the two played a really good match...
all the media here in the US is saying kim gave serena a real match as opposed to the one she's had prior to the semis..and i just hope that you guys give credit to the kind of game kim played instead of whether she choked or not.

Bright Red
Jan 23rd, 2003, 12:53 PM
I'm kicking my butt because I went to bed when Kim went up two breaks and 4-1 in the 3rd. I figured that with the way Serena had been playing (blister and all) and Kim's extraordinarily talented playing that there was no way Serena would win. I even had nightmares and I woke up sad and frustrated.

All I have to say is that Kim was playing so well up to that point. And she lost? I'm convinced that she choked. It was hers to lose and she lost it. But kudos to her anyway. She's got some serious game.

Wimanna
Jan 23rd, 2003, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by Beggin' Beguine
She didn't choke at 5*-2, I can't blame her for not winning on those two match points -besides, Kim had a lot of luck in that game! At 5*-4, she did choke! And once it was 5-5 I knew there was no way Kim would win.

Idd, I saw the match a second time and she didn't choke @ *5-2....Serena just hit two great returns...Can't Kim blame of anything here. The two DF's cost her the match, and yes she choked a little here...

ys
Jan 23rd, 2003, 01:11 PM
Of course, it is a choke. But nothing to be ashaned about. Just a lack of experience and confidence from a player who was actually better on the day..

Didn't Serena do exactly the same against Hingis in AO semis just two years ago? She was also a better player in that match but a supreme confidence of then #1 made Serena choke very similar way. Serena learnt from that experience and look where she is now. Just like Serena in that match, Kim showed today that she has all necessary components to dethrone the current #1.

Raisin
Jan 23rd, 2003, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by Experimentee
I've said before, she made a few errors when she was ahead but i dont think it was a choke, just that her level went down a little. Against Myskina towards the end you could see her level dropping too, but she managed to win that. Theres no reason for her to choke because shes been to a Slam final before and also beaten Serena before. Maybe she got nervous, and played like that but Serena still had to win it and she came up with the goods. It would be classless for Kim to say in the press conference that she choked and shes not like that at all.

She choked, and getting to a slam final doesn't guarantee you won't choke in other matches. Remember Martina choked last year having won slams in the past.

tennischick
Jan 23rd, 2003, 01:25 PM
i agree with your assessment ys. however, i think that Kim also has a point. what happened in this match was a cobination of two things -- Kim started choking and Serena starting playing cleaner, better tennis. BOTH factors explain the loss. Kim didn't lose ONLY bec she choked IMO, but also bec Serena just stepped up her game.

however i do agree that Kim will learn from this. i can't see it ever happening to her again.

finally, Serena has had some of the more exciting matches in this tourny starting with the Loit match and ending with the one against Kim. she has been tested like a champion and survived all the tests. Venus' matches on the other hand, have been as exciting as flossing teeth. not totally her fault but her joyless, emotionless demeanor is certainly a contributing factor.

Lynx
Jan 23rd, 2003, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by Josh
You know, she might have gotten a little nervous, you know, and Serena also raised her level you know. LOL, you know. :D

And yes - she choked. At the end, she just didn't believe in it anymore. You could literally see her shoulders drooping.

I only wish she could admit that to herself, so that next time around she can beat it!

Cybelle Darkholme
Jan 23rd, 2003, 01:39 PM
Wow I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with YS. Kim by rights should have won that match simply because she had TWO BREAKS. However, Serena did improve her game by a lot. If Serena had continue to play the way she played earlier she would have lost period.

Kim is definitely the main challenger too venus and serena. However who is the main challenger to kim?

venusfan
Jan 23rd, 2003, 01:47 PM
This is going to be all mental from now on.. whenever she gets a lead on the Williams sisters, the sisters will know they can come back.. even being down 0-4,0-5 in a set..

Kim's reputation as a chocker is getting widely known.

Leena
Jan 23rd, 2003, 01:54 PM
It's not surprising that Kim didn't admit she choked... there's no reason to show weakness like that.

The important thing is that Kim bounces back from this, because it was tough.

Volcana
Jan 23rd, 2003, 02:23 PM
I think nobody would ever admit that they CHOKED !!!!

Check Goran I's post match after a loss. He'll call a choke a choke in heartbeat.

And I seen Serena miss badly, then take both hands and put them around her own neck, which in the USA anyway, means, 'I choked on that one'.

Admitting you choked is okay if you've overcome it before. Kim very rarely chokes that I've seen, but the more important issue is, has she very come back to win the match AFTER choking?

victory1
Jan 23rd, 2003, 02:29 PM
I definitely think Kim choked! yes, Serena raised her level, but Kim should have been able to close it out.

It does remind me of the 2001 AO quarters match between Hingis and Serena.

azinna
Jan 23rd, 2003, 04:08 PM
Steffi Graf won her matches not because she never choked or grew incredibly nervous. She won because she would often quickly recognise signs of her choking, clear her head, simplify her strategy, and do everything in her power to smack a forehand, hard, to each corner.

This was her remedy for her nerves, and more often than not, it worked. Kim's better off recognising her tendencies to tighten up when near the finish line. That way she can learn how best to get herself leaning forward.

Kart
Jan 23rd, 2003, 04:11 PM
Kim has more class than to say that she choked - whatever she may think, she's giving the credit to Serena which is the wisest thing to do in this pedantic media driven world.

RAA
Jan 23rd, 2003, 04:13 PM
well, lets just say that Kim DEFINITELY got tight. no doubt about it.

I don't know why its so hard for fans to admit this (I know why a player won't admit it). As a Serena fan, I saw her get VERY tight VERY often for about 2 years. she would have leads, and blow them or get a stomach ailment etc. Do we not remember this?? its not a fatal flaw, but many many top players go through this. Davenport is most CERTAINLY going through this right now.

it is no easy feat to close out a match against the world #1 in the semis of a slam. There was a lot of pressure on both players. Serena was tight all match long for goodness sakes! Kim served double faults, she totally mishit a few shots - that was nerves, she hadn't done that all match long.

As a previous poster says, she has SERIOUS game. She's got Capriati's speed and athleticism with Hingis' ability to scramble plus the groundstokes to match serena and Venus. and her poise throughtout the match was incredible. she's gettin' real close to the top...

miranda_lou
Jan 23rd, 2003, 04:34 PM
Kimmie was serving for the set and hit TWO double faults and missed the first serve on the next one. If that's not choking, I don't know what is.:rolleyes: You can't get yourself behind 0-30 against anybody, let alone Serena.

I hope Kim is admitting to herself that she choked:o because that's the only way she can move on and finally win a Slam.:)

Pinkie
Jan 23rd, 2003, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by miranda_lou

I hope Kim is admitting to herself that she choked:o because that's the only way she can move on and finally win a Slam.:)

Depends on the personality. If Kim honestly thinks Serena was just better, at least she won't be nervous about choking next time they play. A lot of players really stuggle with choking once they see it as a problem. And then they get even more uptight. Look at Justine. Kim has won tight matches and she's lost them. I'd have to see more choking frpm her before I'd call her a choker.

I looked to me she got tight, but apart from the two double faults, she didn't just throw the match. If Serena hadn't picked up her game and gotten the big points, Kim would have won.

Tatiana Panova
Jan 23rd, 2003, 06:49 PM
This was one hell of a match in which I was really rooting for Kim and I just had a feeling she was going to win from the start. I was wrong! I loved watching them go toe-to-toe with each other and the movement combined with the power was breath-taking from both.

I almost cried when Kim lost in that fashion because I really don't think Serena has any right to win that match, as well as she played. Of course this what tennis is about - you still have to win that last point - but I did feel that Kim lost her nerve and composure somewhat in those dying games, and it cost her. On her first match point she dumped a backhand in the net, the other one she could do nothing about, but considering the fashion she played the rest of the match, I don't think she could have lost 6 games in a row without choking.

So yes, she choked amid a rampage from Serena - nonetheless it was her match for the taking (she had rocked Serena to her foundations!). But better luck next time for Kim and at 19 years-old she will only grow and grow from this experience.

ys
Jan 23rd, 2003, 07:26 PM
i agree with your assessment ys. however, i think that Kim also has a point. what happened in this match was a cobination of two things -- Kim started choking and Serena starting playing cleaner, better tennis.

I think that explaining the turnaround by Serena playing better tennis is oversimplification, and only that (Serena raising her level ) would not be enough to turn the match around the way it turned. Just think about that - even if Serena plays her absolute best, would she take 6 games out of 6 against well playing Kim? 4 out of 6 - that I would agree, but not 6 out of 6. 6 out of 6 means that Kim was no longer there - as simple as that.

A4
Jan 23rd, 2003, 07:38 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ys
[B] Just think about that - even if Serena plays her absolute best, would she take 6 games out of 6 against well playing Kim?

Yes.

Blogger Dives
Jan 23rd, 2003, 07:41 PM
Kim definately choked. There isn't any other way you can see it. She had the match in hand, and couldn't close it out. Same problem with Hingis last year in the final. This tour is in dire need of some finishers.

A4
Jan 23rd, 2003, 07:45 PM
Just thought I'd clarify a bit. Kim won five out of six games straight against Serena. It'd be a stretch to claim Serena can't win six out of six (at most, 4 out of 6), playing at her absolute best. Statistically, I doubt if 5/6 will be significantly different from 6/6.

Car Key Boi
Jan 23rd, 2003, 08:01 PM
when yuo say that Kim denies choking, was she refering to Serena? or Leyton?

- Car Key Boi :confused:

MarcusRock
Jan 23rd, 2003, 08:02 PM
LOL!

Volcana
Jan 23rd, 2003, 08:05 PM
Guys. a little distance.

She was up 5-1 in third. She served for the match twice. She had two match points. Aside from the 3r set double faults, there were some rather wild errors. From someone playing conservatively. she lost six straight games.

as a Venus fan, I hate admitting that Serena's best is better than everyone esle's best. But it is. But no way is Serena's best six straight games better than Kim on cruise control. Not when Kim needs only one of the first four games for a spot in a GS final.

Kim choked. Or she's nowhere near as good as she's looked since the USOpen.

tennischick
Jan 23rd, 2003, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by ys
I think that explaining the turnaround by Serena playing better tennis is oversimplification, and only that (Serena raising her level ) would not be enough to turn the match around the way it turned. Just think about that - even if Serena plays her absolute best, would she take 6 games out of 6 against well playing Kim? 4 out of 6 - that I would agree, but not 6 out of 6. 6 out of 6 means that Kim was no longer there - as simple as that.

yes it would be an oversimplification to say that Serena upped her game. which is why i didn't say that. i said that Kim choked. in addition, she herself admits in the interview that Serena stopped making the huge #'s of errors she had been making in Sets 1 & 2. so in addition to choking (i.e., losing her nerve each time she served for the match/becoming too aware of the hugeness of the moment), Kim ALSO had to contend with a Serena who was playing better tennis. hence she lost.

however, at 5-1 and serving for the match, even if Serena had raised her game up to the stratosphere, Kim should have still won. so i agree that she lost primarily bec she choked.

Rae Q.
Jan 23rd, 2003, 08:46 PM
I totally have nothing against Kim but I'm sorry she only had to hold serve ONCE and she would've beaten Serena but she couldn't do it. She choked.