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Vanity
Jan 5th, 2002, 08:00 AM
Well, somebody from the kournikova.com board rang up the Adidas International tournament and got some draw info. Serena and Anna have a chance to play each other in the 2nd round at Sydney. That is, provided Anna gets past Angeles Montolio first. This should be interesting!!!! :D

Volcana
Jan 5th, 2002, 08:15 AM
I can in no way imagine Anna is ready to play Serena.

They've played once. 2000 Canadian Open. Serena won 3-6 2-6. Serena is a better player now. Anna is significantly worse.

Crazy Canuck
Jan 5th, 2002, 09:15 AM
I'd definately pick SErena to win that matchup (if it happens).

But it would be a good chance for Anna to see how she compares to the big guns at the moment, and see how much more she needs to improve.

LucasArg
Jan 5th, 2002, 09:20 AM
No doubt about it:)

ajayares
Jan 5th, 2002, 09:49 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Volcana
I can in no way imagine Anna is ready to play Serena.

They've played once. 2000 Canadian Open. Serena won 3-6 2-6. Serena is a better player now. Anna is significantly worse. [/QUOTE

Oh what a surprise, another well thoughtout comment...

Yeah, Anna is not ready to play her (if they do in fact meet) so what do you think should happen??? Anna just give a walkover to her??

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

DawnMarie
Jan 5th, 2002, 10:24 AM
I can't imagine Anna getting Serena in Round 2. I would figure they would put her against Hingis who is more her speed. or some other non power player. I am sure they want to keep Anna around a bit.:)

By the way congrats Venus on winning your first title of the year.:)

Williams Rulez
Jan 5th, 2002, 11:18 AM
I hope this happens, but not in Round 2... :( :mad:

I am picking Serena to win this, especially after Anna just disappointed me by losing to Anna in straight sets. :mad:

Crazy Canuck
Jan 5th, 2002, 11:25 AM
Dawn : Unless their is some draw fixing going on - I don't imagine that the organizers have any say whatsoever over where Anna gets plopped into the draw.

I'm sure they'd like her around as long as possible, no doubt - but she gets drawn where she is drawn.

As for getting Hingis in the second round - I dont imagine that would be much better for her, considering her horrible record against hings (when is the last time she beat her -1998?)

Vanity
Jan 5th, 2002, 11:35 AM
Dawn - this draw is already made up.. Unfortunately it isn't posted anywhere yet, but I trust the moderator at kournikova.com who got this information from calling up the tournament organizers. Despite the fact that Adidas is Anna's main sponsor, I doubt they would rig a draw. ;)

The last time Anna defeated Martina was at Berlin in 1998. I believe Anna's head-to-head record against Martina is 1-11.

Personally, I think Serena will win in straight sets but it would be some valuable match practice for Anna, who is still trying to regain her form. It's a good chance for her to assess her current form against a top girl.

ajayares
Jan 5th, 2002, 11:39 AM
Vanity, just between you and I, that was me who rang up.. :)

I would have used the same username here and at the other board, but I just used the same one as when I was posting on the WTA board, before it crashed..

Dawn Marie
Jan 5th, 2002, 11:40 AM
Becca and Vanity maybe your right about this about Anna's chances on winning in rd 2. But I don't trust the draws infact I do think many of them are rigged.. that is my opinion though.

When is this damn draw gonna be posted? I can't wait!:)

ajayares
Jan 5th, 2002, 11:43 AM
Ok dawn, when was the last time I told a lie about anything.. If you don't want to believe it, than that is your choice, I am sure I got a few wrong, but since I was really interested on who Anna played, do you really think I would have stuff up who she was playing.. and I certainly did not want to see her playing Serena, that's for sure..

Vanity
Jan 5th, 2002, 12:01 PM
Dawn, I totally trust Oct (as he is known on the kournikova board). If you knew him from the Anna K board, you'd know he is not one to lie. :)

Also, the players are usually at the draws when they are done, so I doubt they are rigged.. don't listen to Damir Dokic :p

Dawn Marie
Jan 5th, 2002, 12:12 PM
uh Ajayares I am baffled at your response to me? I don't have a clue what you r refering too?

Excuse me but naturally I don't know who vanity's poster friends are and I am not the type to believe everything I read or see. It's only natural to be skeptical about people you don't even know. I am a skeptic when it concerns certain things. Now if I knew you well (or knew you from here) then I would tend to believe you. I didn't know you were the same guy that Vanity was refering too? I would have believed you then. Maybe not 100% but that is not due to you it's just the way I am.:)

Peace and love and please forgive me:)

ajayares
Jan 5th, 2002, 12:19 PM
Fair enough dawn, I understand, I am skeptical when it comes to believing things when people post them too..

Anyway here is something for you from the tournament website:

"The top four women's seeds, Jennifer Capriati, Martina Hingis, Kim Clijsters and Serena Williams all have first round byes.

However Williams could clash with Anna Kournikova in the second round, the popular Russian plays Angeles Montolio."

Dawn Marie
Jan 5th, 2002, 12:29 PM
oh no problem I was just caught off... lol


Anyhow this is gonna be one helluva a tourney.:) And thanks for the post about who is playing who.:)

saki
Jan 5th, 2002, 03:44 PM
I know this is going to sound crazy, but I wouldn't be that suprised if Anna beat Serena. Anna always plays better when the pressure's off, and no-one is going to be expecting her to win. I'm not saying that I _predict_ Anna to win, but I do think she has a chance.

Either Serena will win in two easy sets, or Anna will win in three.
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Kart
Jan 5th, 2002, 05:07 PM
I expect Serena to win comfortably, but I wish Anna luck.

I think it's harsh for people to imply that she has zero chance just because she's not as good a player :rolleyes: .

As long as she turns up she's always got a chance.

Anyway how do you all expect her to beat the top players if she doesn't lose to them a couple of times first ?

It will be good experience.

auntie janie
Jan 5th, 2002, 05:18 PM
The tournament organizers and Anna's fans can take solace in the fact that she is playing doubles with Martina Hingis, and so should be around for the entire week. :)

While I agree that Anna plays better when the pressure is off, and also (as I have observed many times), Anna usually can get through one tough match per tournament, the bald fact remains that she is just not as good a player as Serena. The one ray of hope for her will be that it will be Serena's first match in a couple of months.

But a couple months off didn't seem to affect Serena in Munich! :D

domingo2
Jan 5th, 2002, 05:33 PM
I'm really surprised that Anna has to play Serena so early. But for those who don't believe in "draw-rigging"-you can't say anything if Venus and Serena wind up on the opposite side of the draw at the Oz open.

the cat
Jan 5th, 2002, 07:24 PM
Anna versus Serena would be very interesting. There is no doubt that Serena is the superior player. But I think Anna has a chance against her. Their 2000 match in Montreal was a competetive match. Serena won 6-3 6-2. But Anna hung with her off the ground. The big problem for Anna was Serena's first serve. That was the difference in the match. I have the match on tape. And I like to think I know what I'm talking about, when I say that if they play in Sydney, it will be a competitive match. Anna is much more match tough than Serena at this point. In fact, if they do play in the second round, then that would be Serena's first match of the year. Advantage Anna #1! And you know Serena doesn't want to be the first Williams sister to lose to Anna. That's more pressure on Serena. Advantage Anna #2! And with Anna being a big underdog, the crowd will be rooting hard for Anna, which might unnerve Serena. Advantage Anna #3! Again there is no doubt Serena is the better player. But I have made my case for Anna to at least be very competeive with Serena. Do you agree with my unbiased assessment?

apoet29
Jan 5th, 2002, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by the cat
Anna versus Serena would be very interesting. There is no doubt that Serena is the superior player. But I think Anna has a chance against her. Their 2000 match in Montreal was a competetive match. Serena won 6-3 6-2. But Anna hung with her off the ground. The big problem for Anna was Serena's first serve. That was the difference in the match. I have the match on tape. And I like to think I know what I'm talking about, when I say that if they play in Sydney, it will be a competitive match. Anna is much more match tough than Serena at this point. In fact, if they do play in the second round, then that would be Serena's first match of the year. Advantage Anna #1! And you know Serena doesn't want to be the first Williams sister to lose to Anna. That's more pressure on Serena. Advantage Anna #2! And with Anna being a big underdog, the crowd will be rooting hard for Anna, which might unnerve Serena. Advantage Anna #3! Again there is no doubt Serena is the better player. But I have made my case for Anna to at least be very competeive with Serena. Do you agree with my unbiased assessment?

Cat:

You always make good assessments; however, I have to disagree with you here. Serena only plays in nine tournaments a year, but she always makes the quarterfinals or better of every tournament she plays. She made it to the finals of Munich with absolutely no match practice on indoor courts. Advantage Serena. Considering Anna's record against the Williams sisters 0-6 and her loss @ Auckland will definantly effect her play here. Anna has never beaten the Williams sisters and that is definantly going to play on Anna's mind here and Serena will want to match big sister's great start to the season by winning the Adidas. Advantage Serena. Any crowd is always going to root for Anna to win. But remember last year the crowd went crazy supporting Anna during her match against Corina Moriaru and Anna lost that match 1 and 2. Sometimes I think the incredible pressure from the fans effects Anna more than it does her opponents. Serena has always successfully dealt with crowd support for her opponent (i.e. French Open 01 her win over frenchwomen Sarah Pitowski). Advantage Serena. By the Canadian Open 00, Anna had a pretty good summer season making two semifinals in a row and beating two top ten players in a row @ the Acura. So she had that game to make it competitive against Serena. By the end of 01, Anna's ranking has plummented in great part because of an injury. She had a difficult time coming back from injury losing 5 first round matches in a row. @ Auckland where Anna was by far the best tennis player and the best athlete, she fell apart against Anna Smashanova because she was not able to figure out her game. Meanwhile, Serena has actually improved from 2000. In 01, she won two tier 1 events, made the final of the US Open by defeating Davenport and Hingis on the way to the final and won Munich by default, but still won every match up to the final without having played one indoor match. Definite Advantage Serena. While Serena has not played a match since Munich, she has the best practice partner in the world: Venus. Advantage Serena.

Having said that I hope that this will be an incredible match from both players, especially considering that Anna lost so badly to Morairu last year. Anna has the game to match Serena since she hits the ball so hard and flat. If Anna wins, it will give her the confidence she so desperately needs @ this point. I really thought that when she won those exhibition matches against Coetzer and Capriati it would do wonders for her confidence going into Auckland. Instead Anna fell apart when the pressure was on her. (I'm sorry, I am not going to believe that Anna was too tired after her quarterfinal match to win the semifinal. She has been pro long enough to know how to come through those types of matches.)If Anna loses, she still has a chance to get match practice in by playing doubles with Hingis. I definantly see that team winning the doubles title and hopefully winning the doubles title @ the Oz as well.

Volcana
Jan 5th, 2002, 10:42 PM
ajayares - Actually, maybe that was a little harsh. The thing is, I've been looking at how various players are prepping for OZ, since this year, a lot of different approaches were being used. Anna was playing a lot of exhibitions, which seemed an unusual choice after such a long layoff. Competition tennis is an entirely different level of intensity. It seemed to me she's underprepared. I was VERY surprised she failed to win Aukland. She was far and away the best athlete in the tournament.

Serena closed 2001 in a very strong fashion. Win Toronto, FN USOpen, Win Tour Champs. But she hasn't played competitively since.

If they play, Anna will stay even til about 3-3, around which time, Serena will have, in Serena's words, 'figured out her game'. The end will be 7-5, 6-1, something like that.

And then Anna goes into OZ off a lot of exos, a early loss in a Tier V, and an early loss in a Tier II. She's not giving herself a chance.

That's what I meant. I literally can't see how Anna could have possibly prepared to play any elite player with her schedule. Much less Serena, who's going to do some Supergirl stuff on the other side of the net. Anna has the talent, but this is no way to prepare.

thefreedesigner
Jan 6th, 2002, 02:43 AM
...Then there's only one winner.

Meesh
Jan 6th, 2002, 02:56 AM
Serena is by far the better player and will win in two sets. Serena hasn't played for a few months but has the best practice partner in the WORLD! I'm always amazed at how they (Venus & Serena) can come off a 4 to 6 month layoff and show up "match ready".

ajayares
Jan 6th, 2002, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Volcana
Anna was playing a lot of exhibitions, which seemed an unusual choice after such a long layoff. Competition tennis is an entirely different level of intensity. It seemed to me she's underprepared.

You are just repeating yourself again, what else was there for her to play?? surely exhibition are better than just pracisting all the time.. when you have not played too many matches tru out the year??
So how can she be under prepared??? she would have played more tennis than almost all the other players going into the new season.. As far as I am concerned it was a very good choice to play exhibitions events in November/December

I was VERY surprised she failed to win Aukland. She was far and away the best athlete in the tournament.

Well you are not the only one..

Anna goes into OZ off a lot of exos, a early loss in a Tier V, and an early loss in a Tier II. She's not giving herself a chance.

It was actually a tier 4 and I would not call playing 4 matches an early exit (she did exit in the semis) As for the Sydney event, when you are not seeded you cannot control who you play.. If she gets to play Serena, she will have had played 2 matches. (and it is not 100% certain that Serena will have an easy win), that's why they actually play the matches..

That's what I meant. I literally can't see how Anna could have possibly prepared to play any elite player with her schedule. Much less Serena, who's going to do some Supergirl stuff on the other side of the net. Anna has the talent, but this is no way to prepare.

That's just Crap, what the hell did you expect??? there were no events scheduled, it is only the first week on the NEW season..
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

saki
Jan 6th, 2002, 08:04 PM
I wouldn't say that Serena is by far the superior player at all. Anna can hit the ball just has hard, has much more variety in her game, and when she comes to net absolutely gorgeous volleys. If they were both at their best, I would tip Anna to win.

The only reason I'm not doing so is because Anna is bound to be lacking in confidence & she's always taken a while to come back from injuries. On the other hand, Serena (witness Munich) has little problems doing well on little match practice. That's why I think she'll win, not because she is a much better player than Anna.

Eza
Jan 6th, 2002, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by sk
If they were both at their best, I would tip Anna to win.

LMAO! You have to be kidding! Serena at her best will TRASH Anna at her best.

apoet29
Jan 6th, 2002, 09:37 PM
I agree with SK that Anna has an incredible variety to her game, which you can see when she plays doubles. Unfortunately, she never brings that shot selection when she plays singles and tends to try and bang it out from the baseline with baseliners like Serena Williams. Why Anna does not use her net play in singles more is beyond me. That is why Anna has problems against baseliners in the first place. Anna Smashanova, although a good player, is not on Anna's level, yet she beat Anna K. easily by acting as a human wall on the baseline and playing very defensive tennis. I agree with Volcana that Anna was far and away the best player @ Auckland and she should have won that tournament. While Anna may have three matches under her belt going into Adidas, the fact that a player ranked 88th in the world beat her so easily does not bode well for Anna when facing a top ranked player. The fact that Anna was able to beat the world no. 2 in exhibition play, but fell so easily to Smashanova ranked 88th in the world says that there is something wrong with Anna's play at this point.

I also agree with ajayres that playing exhibitions was a good idea for a player who missed 75% of the season due to injury. Anna had a great exho going 4-2 and beating top players like Capriati and Coetzer. Unfortunately, whatever she may have gotten out of those exhos didn't translate to actual WTA matches. The fact that Anna struggled mightily against Gaghliardi and fell so easily to Smashanova tells that something is definantly missing from her game. Whether it is mental, physical or technical only Anna knows and hopefully that is something that she is working on right now.

What should be the biggest concern right now is Anna's mental state. Since the Seat Open, Anna has done quite a bit to get prepared for this season. She played in six exhos, which was the only way she could get match practice during the off season, against top ranked players. Anna arrived in New Zealand during Christmas, a week earlier than most players, to prepare for this tournament. In other words, I think she went to Auckland with the intention of winning. So I'm sure that loss has hurt her mentally a great deal. Anna's definantly got game and while injuries may have hindered her progress, bad losses have done their equal damage. A good example is 1998 when Anna didn't lose to a player ranked outside of the top fifteen. Even after a three month injury break, Anna managed to regroup pretty quickly. It was not until the Kremlin Cup that Anna experienced her first loss to a player ranked outside of the top fifteen when she lost to Silvia Farina Elia, who was then ranked 47th in the world. After that loss, Anna played against Seles in the Chase and looked very much out of sorts in that match. Two months later, Anna's double fault fiasco @ the Oz occurred. This fall, Anna lost to a junior player Fokina @ the Kremlin Cup, which probably ranks as her worst loss ever. In her next match, she committed 25 double faults. Coincidence? I don't think so. I think a loss of confidence can do as much damage to a player as injuries can. For Anna, confidence has everything to do with how well she can play at any given tournament. I don't think that Anna is going to have much confidence @ this point.

While Anna is a great player, I wouldn't discount Serena Williams either. She has definantly improved from 2000 which is the last time these two players met. Serena has strengthen her serve, added more variety to her game by trying to come to net more and has overcome her own problems with confidence (except against her big sister). 2001 was definantly a better year for Serena. She made the quarters of the first three slams with little match practice, won two tier 1 events, made the finals of the US Open and made it to the finals of Munich. When Serena is on her game, she is nearly unbeatable and when she is not, she is terrible. Given how well Venus has started the year, I think Serena will want to match it.

So the winner of this match will depend on two things. Whether or not Serena has brought her A game to the court and how much confidence Anna has going into the match. I think that Anna will definantly get by Angeles Montilo, who fell in the first round of Auckland and has little match practice going into the first round of the Adidas. Serena will be a different story. If Anna can beat Serena, it will do wonders for her confidence going into the OZ where she has at least 200 points to defend and could meet a top ranked player early on. If Anna loses to Serena, then at least she will have the chance to assess what she needs to do by the Oz to get match ready. Win or lose. It can be a win-win situation for Anna if she uses the match as a stepping stone to work on her game.

GrandSlammed
Jan 6th, 2002, 10:12 PM
I wouldn't say that Serena is by far the superior player at all.

Well... you saying it, isn't actually NEEDED. Seeing how Serena has PROVEN, and continues to PROVE that she is a superior player over Kournikova. AND I bet that the other women on tour, would NOT HESITATE to agree with Williams being a better tennis player than old Kourny. :)Kournikova has proven herself to be a formidable opponent, heck, she once ruled Davenport's world for a while, BUT that's no more, and I don't think she'll ever manage to hold the advantage over Davenport, EVER again. FORGET Serena... it's starting to look like players like - Clijsters, Henin, and plenty of those other Russian chicks are going to be wearing Kournikova out I think, for as long as she plays the game.

Anna can hit the ball just has hard, has much more variety in her game, and when she comes to net absolutely gorgeous volleys. If they were both at their best, I would tip Anna to win.

uuuhhh God.... LOL... runnin' a fever our we??? Serena at her optimum, which we have yet to see, would totally suffocate Kournikova, and all her so-called "variety". Williams can already Out hit her, Definitely out run her, and ABSOULTELY out serve her. Serena's net game is steadily improving. I'm starting to notice that with every few matches I see from her. Whooping Henin at the net, with a busted racquet, and you saw her winning, angled high backhand volley.

I agree that Kournikova is a top volleyer, has an incredible drop shot in her arsenal, a great athlete, touch and power.. but NOTHING so spectacular, that Serena would be left baffled at. :)
SO I SAY... that at their respective bests.. Serena would be disastrous, a mine field for the Russian.

On the other hand, Serena (witness Munich) has little problems doing well on little match practice. That's why I think she'll win, not because she is a much better player than Anna.

lol... so what your saying IS, that Williams is the far more talented player then.:rolleyes: The ability to not play for a good stretch, and show up and win a whole tournament. Oh Boy. Then what must a match tough Williams be like????? Hmmmm... makes me wonder.


A BIG Good luck to both girls anyway!!:p

saki
Jan 7th, 2002, 07:06 PM
Of course Serena has had the superior results by far. And yes, she comes back from time off better than Anna. But I don't think that that makes her the superior player by far.

I'm not saying that Anna is the superior player either, but just that if the Anna we saw in 1998 were to play the Serena of 2001 it would be a pretty even match.

The only real advantage Serena has is her serve, and Anna's serve isn't bad either when it goes in...

I'm not actually a particular Anna fan, I just don't like the way that her injury plagued results in 1999-2001 are considered before her good season in 1998.

apoet29
Jan 7th, 2002, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by sk
Of course Serena has had the superior results by far. And yes, she comes back from time off better than Anna. But I don't think that that makes her the superior player by far.

I'm not saying that Anna is the superior player either, but just that if the Anna we saw in 1998 were to play the Serena of 2001 it would be a pretty even match.

The only real advantage Serena has is her serve, and Anna's serve isn't bad either when it goes in...

I'm not actually a particular Anna fan, I just don't like the way that her injury plagued results in 1999-2001 are considered before her good season in 1998.

I agree with you there SK, but the problem is that Anna is far away from that 1998 form. At this point, it will be a long time before Anna reaches that form again if she is ever able to. So I don't think we can or should compare the Anna of 98 to the Anna of today.

Martian Martin
Jan 8th, 2002, 01:13 AM
Unfortunately Serena should win, and she probably will win. :(. I hope though that Anna gives her a good match, and puts up a really good fight, which I'm sure she will, to give her more confidence for the rest of the season.
Going back to their previous meeting in the Canadian Open, I remember it and I'm sure it was a lot closer than the score suggests, Anna had a lot of game points but just couldn't win that final point.

saki
Jan 8th, 2002, 03:26 PM
Quite, apoet, the point I was making was that Anna at her best Vs Serena at her best would be quite an even match. But that given Anna isn't at her best, we should expect Serena to win.

In the event, I think that Anna proved me right by giving Serena such a close match. She looks like she's really getting her game back together!

Rubylips
Jan 8th, 2002, 06:43 PM
Yes SERENA won.IN THREE SET.

GrandSlammed
Jan 8th, 2002, 09:25 PM
Going back to their previous meeting in the Canadian Open, I remember it and I'm sure it was a lot closer than the score suggests, Anna had a lot of game points but just couldn't win that final point.


Your sure it was a lot closer than the score suggests, JUST like I'm pretty sure that Serena could have won that matchup alot easier than 2 and 3. ~shruggin' shoulders~ :)

Go Serena!!... the very talented Mauresmo must not be taken lightly now. :p