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jujufan
Dec 22nd, 2002, 03:45 PM
Can she ever overcome the Kim hype here in Belgium???

I really hope so cause I admire Juju for all the things she has done and been trough ...

IT is time for justine now, come on girl you can do it!

Nemesis
Dec 22nd, 2002, 04:20 PM
I really hope so too!!!

I think Justine needs to win a GS first to overcome Kim. Maybe two/three/four ;) in a row (preferably Roland Garros & Wimbledon) will be needed to boost her popularity in Flanders ...

She deserves sooo much more admiration than she gets now.

theheninfan
Dec 22nd, 2002, 04:36 PM
b/c I'm in the USA neither Kim or Justine is popular...but from what I hear, Kim does get a lot more credit and recognition than Justine...this is sad to hear! Justine deserves more! Hopefully this will all change...GO JUSTINE! :)

theheninfan
Dec 22nd, 2002, 04:37 PM
...but that's not to say that Kim isn't important...I like Kim too! :)

jujufan
Dec 22nd, 2002, 06:46 PM
Kim is a great person and a very good tennisplayer.
But I was just wondering.
I also suporter Kim but I feel so sad for Justine that she always has to be the second one.
And I' m afraid that will be for the rest of her tennisfuture unless Kim decides to retire. Justine deserves so much more indeed, her talent is way too big.

I truelly hope I'm wrong! I've seen Justine happy and I wanna keep her seeing happy!

Glenn
Dec 22nd, 2002, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by jujufan
Kim is a great person and a very good tennisplayer.
But I was just wondering.
I also suporter Kim but I feel so sad for Justine that she always has to be the second one.
And I' m afraid that will be for the rest of her tennisfuture unless Kim decides to retire. Justine deserves so much more indeed, her talent is way too big.

I truelly hope I'm wrong! I've seen Justine happy and I wanna keep her seeing happy!

If Justine manages to win a Grand Slam first, she will be #1 not #2 for the Belgians, it's the sad truth... but most people think that way.

Justine will always be my #1! :)

jujufan
Dec 22nd, 2002, 07:35 PM
Roland garros will be her best shot to get a gs title.
Altough I think she might do wel at ao too ...

Whatever Justine will do, she'll always be my fave

sailntiger
Dec 23rd, 2002, 02:25 AM
:) :D :D :wavey: Justine Is Already Number One in My Book!!!!! :wavey: :D :D :)




:hearts: :hearts: :cool: :angel: Go Justine!!!! :angel: :cool: :hearts: :hearts:

-Fienesse-
Dec 23rd, 2002, 01:07 PM
I don't think that when Juju will win a GS first, she will be nr 1 in Belgium. Ok, maybe in the rankings but people don't chose Kim only for her prestations, no they chose Kim because of her great personality. And that won't change if she doesn't win a GS and Justine does. I can assure you!

Filip!
Dec 23rd, 2002, 01:20 PM
I think they deserve both a lot of recognition...

I like the 2 girls... but probably Kim is more popular at this moment because of her win at the masters...

jujufan
Dec 23rd, 2002, 04:48 PM
Yes Kim is more popular, but just because she knows how to play the media and the crowd.
That will be hard to accept for some people ...
People love Kim or justine not for their results that's true ...

But perhaps when Justine wins a gs she will get some recognition and maybe then people will look at her trough different eyes.
Justine has a great personality too ...

per4ever
Dec 23rd, 2002, 04:53 PM
Justine is my number one..and that will always be that way :)

Go Justine!!!!!!!!!

fleemke³
Dec 26th, 2002, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by jujufan
Yes Kim is more popular, but just because she knows how to play the media and the crowd.
That will be hard to accept for some people ...
People love Kim or justine not for their results that's true ...

But perhaps when Justine wins a gs she will get some recognition and maybe then people will look at her trough different eyes.
Justine has a great personality too ...

I couldn't say it better :cool:

jujufan
Dec 26th, 2002, 07:20 PM
Thanks, it's comming right from the bottom of my hearth
:wavey:

SJW
Jan 5th, 2003, 08:44 PM
Kim will always be considered better cos she is better

thats it, plain and simple

jujufan
Jan 6th, 2003, 06:56 AM
I wouldn't dare to say that Kim is better, their technic is totally different, their way of playing too.
Who's better? That wasn't the question here lol haha but it's ok, everyone his or her opinion:wavey:

~|Naomi|~
Jan 6th, 2003, 07:03 AM
Well I am in Australia, and here Kim gets a lot more attention but that is mainly due to her relationship with lleyton. As for their tennis I think that here in Australia both are respected for their tennis but from how the commentators speek about them I htink they give Henin a bit more credit and seem to think she has more flair or something!

As for myself personally i obviuolsly prefer Kim but I still think that Henin will inevitably win the French Open

malaye
Jan 7th, 2003, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by kim&lleytonrule
As for myself personally i obviuolsly prefer Kim but I still think that Henin will inevitably win the French Open

And she won't stop there !

I don't mind about the hype around Kim vs Justine, neither does Justine, I think. She's much too clever to carry a grudge about that.
It's true that Kim has performed better so far, but Justine will always be the Jewell of the Crown in my tennis Kingdom

SJW
Jan 7th, 2003, 02:50 PM
im sorry but Justine will not NEARLY be as successful as Kim...

flukes just dont work in modern tennis anymore:wavey:

fleemke³
Jan 7th, 2003, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by rena_alex_venus
im sorry but Justine will not NEARLY be as successful as Kim...

flukes just dont work in modern tennis anymore:wavey:


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Who are you do decide this?

Be aware... Justine isn't on her best yet :devil:

The Crow
Jan 7th, 2003, 03:59 PM
It amazes me that people go into player forums to bash the player in question. What's up with that? :confused:

Anyway, justine will never be as popular as Kim, not even if she would become the better player. It was the same with Sabine and Domi. Sabine was much more extravert than Domi, and she was way more popular.

I don't really care, except if it means that they show matches of Kim much more than matches of Justine (which hasn't been the case, except maybe for the Aus open from last year).

fleemke³
Jan 7th, 2003, 04:21 PM
Yep .. I already forgot the Van Rooost-Appelmans situation ... and idd I was more fan from Dominique lol

:)

nicky
Jan 7th, 2003, 06:34 PM
I think that Dominique did get more attention and grew more popular once she climbed over Sabine in the rankings; she just had to get out of Sabine's "shadow". And she even won the "sportspersonality of the year award", athough it was rewarded by the Flemish sportsfans, and she was Walloon (is that the right English word?).

So I think that should Justine win a Grand Slam next year and Kim not (for example, I'm not predicting anything), she'll easily beat Kim in next years awards ceremonies. She just had the bad luck that anytime she had a wonderful performance, Kim had one just before her (RG/Wimbledon 01), or just one better than her (Masters 02).

I do have to agree that with equal merits, Kim will have just a bit more popularity due to her being more extravert.:)

The Crow
Jan 8th, 2003, 04:05 PM
Yeah, but the Sabine-Domi story was a bit different. Sabine was already in top 20, when Domi wasn't even in top 50. The Aus Open (97 I think?) was really a breakthrough for Domi, while it was kinda expected for Sabine (or less unexpected anyway). Kim and Justine are much closer in the rankings.

Anyway Sabine was way more popular than Domi. But Belgians ;) normally give respect to the people who deserve it, but that doesn't mean there more popular.

SJW
Jan 15th, 2003, 07:26 PM
haha im just joking y'all

i can tolerate Justine

i just like Kim more:bounce: :D :rolleyes:

katrientje
Jan 17th, 2003, 10:01 PM
sometimes it pisses me off that the flemish media give so much attention to kim and so little to Justine...
But for me, she'll always be my number one! she's the best!!

sailntiger
Jan 18th, 2003, 03:38 AM
:) :angel: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: SHE ALREADY HAS!! :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :angel: :)





ALLEZ JUJU!!!!

Karentje
Jan 19th, 2003, 03:18 PM
Did someone watch the news on VTM this afternoon??? They didn't say anything about Justine's win over Davenport.
I really think that's sad.

fleemke³
Jan 19th, 2003, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by Karentje
Did someone watch the news on VTM this afternoon??? They didn't say anything about Justine's win over Davenport.
I really think that's sad.

Ow Karentje They did .. IT WAS THE FIRST THING THEY SHOWED :D :bounce: You probably missed it ;)

but :sad: on sport.be Kim's doubles victory seems more important than Justine's fight :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

Karentje
Jan 19th, 2003, 05:34 PM
Whoops !!! :rolleyes: Indeed, I justed wanted to see the sports... Typically me... ;)

xin
Feb 2nd, 2003, 03:55 AM
Different people have different tastes on personalities and styles. It's a matter of values. For me, I like Justine's style, both in tennis and off court. It's colorful, wonderful. It can't be described by a few words. But first it's Justine's tennis caught my eyes, of course. As I became her fan, I discovered that she has such a great personalities. :hearts: So I think the girl's tennis results have a big impact on their popularity than their personalities.
I surely want to see Justine win a GS first and win more supports but it doesn't matter as I know we(Justine's fans) are special and have many things in common.;)

Dizzy Miss Lizzy
Feb 27th, 2003, 11:20 AM
I think Justine would be more popular in Flanders if she would try to speak Dutch. It's probably not easy, but flemish people tend to appreciate people even more when they try to speak Flemish. The same thing happened with Dominique and Jean-Michel Saive. They spoke Dutch and altough their dutch wasn't perfect, flemish people really appreciated that they tried it.

pigam
Feb 4th, 2004, 02:43 PM
im sorry but Justine will not NEARLY be as successful as Kim...

flukes just dont work in modern tennis anymore:wavey:
Sorry SJW :lol:

*you could still be proven right tough, so keep this thread in mind so you can laugh at me ;) *

fleemke³
Feb 4th, 2004, 03:07 PM
:lol: Great memory Pigam :D

Allez-H
Feb 5th, 2004, 03:08 PM
Yeah,it's so funny to see what the people thought and expected about her barely ayear ago :lol:
Glad to see that Justine proved them all wrong :worship:

saki
Feb 7th, 2004, 12:04 PM
Unfortunately, it still seems as though Kim is the more popular. Just bad taste, I tell you! ;)

Greenout
Feb 7th, 2004, 12:58 PM
This is very interesting. I can vouch and say that Justine is more
popular in these parts. And since she does play Dubai..let's add in
that she's more popular than Kim in Asia(minus Korea and India)
and the UAE.

Lady
Feb 7th, 2004, 02:16 PM
I'm just curious, does Belgian media realise that Justine is still their ONLY Grand Slam winner?

Lien
Feb 7th, 2004, 04:56 PM
Just a question, does someone has to be more popular than anyone else just because he or she won more important titles? Popularity depends on other things too. And to be honest, what does it mean to be popular, it only last a few moments. IMO, the reason why she is not loved by some flemish people it is because she doesn't speak dutch or at least try to. I preffer Van Roost way above Appelmans (although Appelmans lives in the same town as me) not only because of her personality and game but because she can speak Dutch, she learned it. It is the same with the royal family, some Flemish people can't stand them because they can't speak Dutch.

As a fan I wouldn't care too much about popularity, it fades away, but the accomplishment stayes and that is the most important.

Lien
Feb 7th, 2004, 04:57 PM
Oh about the royal family, not that it matters, because some of them can't speak Dutch.

Martian KC
Feb 9th, 2004, 05:03 PM
LMMFAO pigam! Another willifan we've shutted up.:haha:

minboy
Feb 9th, 2004, 05:36 PM
. IMO, the reason why she is not loved by some flemish people it is because she doesn't speak dutch or at least try to. .
Kim doesn't speak french, still she's very appreciated by french-speakin people, so i don't quite understand your point.:shrug: ( no, saying "merci" and "je reviendrai" during a trophey ceremony is not speaking french )

Lien
Feb 9th, 2004, 05:44 PM
Kim doesn't speak french, still she's very appreciated by french-speakin people, so i don't quite understand your point.:shrug: ( no, saying "merci" and "je reviendrai" during a trophey ceremony is not speaking french )
She can speak french, her speech when she lost the final in 2001 was definately in french and I am almost certain she can speak it, cause it is compulsory in most Flemish schools to learn French already when you are ten years old and in a normal secondary school you receive like minimum four houres french a week. She didn't finish secondary school, but I think she can speak it quite a bit. Even if she only said those two words, it would be good. If Henin tried to say 'Dank u' it would be appreciated, but I haven't heard that from her yet (and don't start shooting on me if I am wrong, it could be).
And I think for Flemish people the issue about language things is a far more sensitive subject I guess, so they would appreciate it even more if they try to speak their language too.

fleemke³
Feb 9th, 2004, 06:06 PM
Well Justine did speak Dutch to me in Rosmalen ;) The webmaster says she can speak some words (probably not so good as Dominique but she was married with en flemisch man) but she is affraid to speak it in public

I hope she'll do it someday ... than I would love her even more :worship:

minboy
Feb 9th, 2004, 06:16 PM
She can speak french, her speech when she lost the final in 2001 was definately in french and I am almost certain she can speak it, cause it is compulsory in most Flemish schools to learn French already when you are ten years old and in a normal secondary school you receive like minimum four houres french a week. She didn't finish secondary school, but I think she can speak it quite a bit. Even if she only said those two words, it would be good. If Henin tried to say 'Dank u' it would be appreciated, but I haven't heard that from her yet (and don't start shooting on me if I am wrong, it could be).
And I think for Flemish people the issue about language things is a far more sensitive subject I guess, so they would appreciate it even more if they try to speak their language too.As is said , saying 2 sentences in french during a trophey ceremony, is not what i would called speaking french. She has never done any interview in french (even for television ), and at the proximus games at Charleroi in 2002, she didn't speak in french neither. Now i'm not saying that she can't speak french, but she obviously doesn't speak french in public, and i've never heard any french-speaker complain about it

About Justine, she DID say dank u and some other things in dutch at the end of the Antwerp final in 2002, just as much as kim did at the end of the french open final.

btw : dutch is compulsoryfrom age 10 here too

Lien
Feb 9th, 2004, 09:03 PM
As is said , saying 2 sentences in french during a trophey ceremony, is not what i would called speaking french. She has never done any interview in french (even for television ), and at the proximus games at Charleroi in 2002, she didn't speak in french neither. Now i'm not saying that she can't speak french, but she obviously doesn't speak french in public, and i've never heard any french-speaker complain about it

About Justine, she DID say dank u and some other things in dutch at the end of the Antwerp final in 2002, just as much as kim did at the end of the french open final.

btw : dutch is compulsoryfrom age 10 here too
Sorry for my mistake then.:)

About the compulsary part, I heard from other walloon people I know that they don't have as many lessons or something like that, they can choose more houres for the language they prefer. I could be wrong, it is just what they told me.
From my experience, I know I have to speak french to most of my walloon friends cause they can't really speak dutch properly. It is not that I really care about that. A lot of walloon people really try to learn the language (had experience on that for my vacation job) and it is not that I am bothered by these language issues or so I like speaking french so.
I just think that Flemish people mostly know that they have to know french and learn it very good cause french is a world language, whereas Dutch isn't and I can understand it that there is more emphasis on English for example in walloon schools.

Again, it is just my opinion bases on my experiences :) , I could be like totally wrong :o

Allez-H
Feb 10th, 2004, 05:32 PM
Well Justine did speak Dutch to me in Rosmalen ;) The webmaster says she can speak some words (probably not so good as Dominique but she was married with en flemisch man) but she is affraid to speak it in public

I hope she'll do it someday ... than I would love her even more :worship:
OMG she spoke Dutch to you? :eek:
What did she say?
I remember after her 2002 Antwerp final she said in Dutch with a perfect Flemish accent:"Ik wil jullie bedanken voor al jullie steun,jullie waren echt fantastisch".And like I said,she pronounced it perfectly and she didn't hesitated once.I was really amazed.I really hope that she'll speak it in public one day,preferable in Antwerp this year ;)

fleemke³
Feb 10th, 2004, 06:19 PM
Well I think my French was so bad that she knew i was flemisch or Dutch :o I congratulated her for her victory in Paris and she said something like 'oh dat is vriendleijk dank u wel' Well I don't remeber the exact words :o I was mmm how do you say it :p I was shocked in a positve way and didn't know what to say for the next seconds ;)

Allez-H
Feb 10th, 2004, 06:23 PM
Well I think my French was so bad that she knew i was flemisch or Dutch :o I congratulated her for her victory in Paris and she said something like 'oh dat is vriendleijk dank u wel' Well I don't remeber the exact words :o I was mmm how do you say it :p I was shocked in a positve way and didn't know what to say for the next seconds ;)
OMG that is sooo nice of her :hearts:
Makes me like her even more

fleemke³
Feb 10th, 2004, 06:45 PM
:D and you now know how bad my French is :o

Allez-H
Feb 10th, 2004, 06:52 PM
:D and you now know how bad my French is :o
Oh,you can't be that bad ;)

fleemke³
Feb 10th, 2004, 06:57 PM
even worse than bad :lol:

Allez-H
Feb 10th, 2004, 07:10 PM
even worse than bad :lol:
:lol: I'm sure you can talk quite good.You can't be good in everything.From what I heard your good in sciences.I don't think you can say the same about me :o

Martian KC
Feb 11th, 2004, 01:43 PM
There's nothing worse than French class being taught in America.;)

Greenout
Feb 11th, 2004, 02:00 PM
There's nothing worse than French class being taught in America.;)


:haha: This is why I never took French in school.

fleemke³
Feb 11th, 2004, 02:21 PM
*tries to imagine it*

well French with an american accent can't be good :p

Greenout
Feb 11th, 2004, 02:25 PM
*tries to imagine it*

well French with an american accent can't be good :p


Do yourself a favor and avoid having nightmares and not
try to imagine French spoken with American accents. (Ouch!!!!!!!)
It's a total butcher job, if I have to say so myself. Somethings
are better left alone. ;)

Greenout
Feb 11th, 2004, 02:32 PM
Actually my French accent isn't that bad. No really. I the foreign language
I studied in highschool and University was Japanese, and both languages
have that rolling "r" sound. There's also the thing where you don't open
your jaw too wide. According my friends from Japan, it's easy for
French speakers to pronounce Japanese words and visa-a-versa because
both languages are also not tonal in range like English or Chinese.

alexusjonesfan
Feb 11th, 2004, 03:21 PM
Do yourself a favor and avoid having nightmares and not
try to imagine French spoken with American accents. (Ouch!!!!!!!)
It's a total butcher job, if I have to say so myself. Somethings
are better left alone. ;)
But my French teacher said that Parisian girls thought American accents in French were sexy! You mean she lied? :sad:

French teaching in Canada isn't all that better either. We're officially bilingual and we get some french TV stations too, but they're making French less and less compulsory with every year which is very stupid IMO. Plus, the only accents we get to imitate are the Quebecois ones which umm...err...are a little different from Parisian French ;)

Plus there's the vocab. differences:
"Les Quebecois parquent dans le stationnnement et les Francais stationnent dans le parking"

Greenout
Feb 11th, 2004, 03:32 PM
But my French teacher said that Parisian girls thought American accents in French were sexy! You mean she lied? :sad:

French teaching in Canada isn't all that better either. We're officially bilingual and we get some french TV stations too, but they're making French less and less compulsory with every year which is very stupid IMO. Plus, the only accents we get to imitate are the Quebecois ones which umm...err...are a little different from Parisian French ;)

Plus there's the vocab. differences:
"Les Quebecois parquent dans le stationnnement et les Francais stationnent dans le parking"


I was just wondering about where Canada fits into this whole
tri-lingual talk we've gotten ourselves into. So, how's your
French? Do you understand any of Amelie's or Zhoo-steen's
interviews from Eurosport? Can you speak any French?
Perhaps enough so that you can go up to Zhoo-steen and
say

"Can you sign my tennis balls?"

without being embarassed and or arrested for sexual harressment
because you forgot the French word for "tennis". ;)

fleemke³
Feb 11th, 2004, 03:51 PM
well I can say that :D

"Vous pouvez signer mon balle du tennis?"

Well I'm not sure its 'mon balle' or 'ma balle' and I probably wrote a mistake or 2 :p

pigam
Feb 11th, 2004, 04:09 PM
well I can say that :D

"Vous pouvez signer mon balle du tennis?"

Well I'm not sure its 'mon balle' or 'ma balle' and I probably wrote a mistake or 2 :p
Well, I would probably say.
Tu pourrais (subjonctif: remember: polite, but using 'tu', cuz it's OK to tu-toi-er en français) signer ma balle de tennis, s'il vous plaît? And then smile really dorky. :) :o

I'm not really sure about the 'signer' part. An autograph of your 'idol' is a dédicace, if I'm not mistaken, so I wouldn't be surprised if they made it into a verb... ;)

One thing I'm sure of: Justine would understand you (us) and that's the most important.

Someone who knows Justine a litlle better than we do told me she is a real perfectionnist (really :eek: ;) ) and she is afraid to say stuff in Dutch untill she can say it perfectly. Silly Justine :)

Allez-H
Feb 11th, 2004, 06:22 PM
Someone who knows Justine a litlle better than we do told me she is a real perfectionnist (really :eek: ;) ) and she is afraid to say stuff in Dutch untill she can say it perfectly. Silly Justine :)

That's exactly what I thought.Everybody knows Justine is a perfectionist.I just really hope that she'll get out of that 'I-have-to-be-perfect-at-everything'-thing and that she can execpt making mistakes.Carlos allready mentioned in a couple of interviews that things were getting much better and she's excepting the fact that it's normal to make mistakes.But it's really hard to change since she's been brought up with that thought.Oh well,I just hope she'll talk in Dutch in public (once again:preferably in Antwerp ;) ) one day.Man,we just want so many stuff for Justine to do.I for one,should be ashamed of myself :o

fleemke³
Feb 11th, 2004, 08:59 PM
Well, I would probably say.
Tu pourrais (subjonctif: remember: polite, but using 'tu', cuz it's OK to tu-toi-er en français) signer ma balle de tennis, s'il vous plaît? And then smile really dorky. :) :o

I'm not really sure about the 'signer' part. An autograph of your 'idol' is a dédicace, if I'm not mistaken, so I wouldn't be surprised if they made it into a verb... ;)

One thing I'm sure of: Justine would understand you (us) and that's the most important.

Someone who knows Justine a litlle better than we do told me she is a real perfectionnist (really :eek: ;) ) and she is afraid to say stuff in Dutch untill she can say it perfectly. Silly Justine :)
ok I'll just shut up :o:tape:

alexusjonesfan
Feb 11th, 2004, 10:21 PM
I was just wondering about where Canada fits into this whole
tri-lingual talk we've gotten ourselves into. So, how's your
French? Do you understand any of Amelie's or Zhoo-steen's
interviews from Eurosport? Can you speak any French?
Perhaps enough so that you can go up to Zhoo-steen and
say

"Can you sign my tennis balls?"

without being embarassed and or arrested for sexual harressment
because you forgot the French word for "tennis". ;)
Canada is officially bilingual. Still, only one of the provinces actually has a French majority (Québec) and only one other one is technically bilingual (Nouveau/New Brunswick--right by Maine/New England area). The rest are all 'anglo'. Most of the official stuff (govt. stuff/legal stuff) comes out in French and in English (all the street signs for eg. everywhere are in both languages)...but you gotta know some French to actually understand it. I took French all the way until the end of high-school (it's only compulsory until 9th grade...by which point you can basically say "this is a notebook. Where is the red car? We are in class" etc. etc. :rolleyes: ). I'm not much better off than that, I'm more comfortable reading it than speaking in it(cuz you can read stuff again if you didn't get it the first time :o) and listening Zhoosteen "motormouth" NNR-DEN usually leaves me confuddled. I can ask to have my 'ball' signed without embarrassing myself though :p I do watch the French Eurosport interviews because I usually get the gist of it. I'm gonna try and take some more French later in uni so I can hope to someday have a conversation about Rousseau and Voltaire with Momo ;). Us Anglophone Canucks would be much better off if they taught French differently in school. They focus too much on the grammar and sentence structure...and not nearly enough on conversation and listening. So now I can figure out when I need to use le futur anterieur instead of le futur simple or how to conjugate irregular verbs in le subjonctif or how to read le passé simple, but it's useless because it takes me a gazillion hours to make a sentence in my head (conjugate each verb, check tense etc. etc.) and if a Francophone tries to talk to me, I usually get lost after the first couple of sentences if he/she isn't speaking in common phrasesn (again, trying to figure out which verb/adjective/pronoun was used where in what form, meaning what etc. etc.). I seriously would've gained more practically by spending 3 months in France or Québec than by taking French all the way through school. :p Plus the damn West-coast Canucks don't even have to take French at all if they don't want to. They can take Japanese/Mandarin/Italian/German instead...I mean at least make them learn French for a little bit :mad:

Pigam...what's the deal with the tu/vous in standard French? Over here, we get taught that if you don't know someone or it's formal, you still use vous (i.e. pourriez-vous signer ma balle?)...but is vous now restricted solely to plural groups?

Greenout
Feb 11th, 2004, 11:58 PM
Isn't that typical of rigid(spelled BORING) course outlines for foreign language
that never bother to include real situations like..."Hey...are you trying to
pad up my beer tab here?" or "I'm sorry my credit card is maxed out, I'll
be right back..going to the atm machine".

I think popular culture is the best way to learn foreign languages. Entertaining
things such as music, cinema, comics, tv shows, sports are so much more
interesting than the textbooks to look at. I get a big kick out visiting sites
on Yahoo Japan and watching the cast of CSI- Interviews written in Japanese
or The MATRIC REVOLUTIONS Japanese press conferences taking place in
the pouring rain in Tokyo!! :haha: The Japanese tennis web sites are
kind of funny. Love the cartoons they do of players.

pigam
Feb 12th, 2004, 11:02 AM
Pigam...what's the deal with the tu/vous in standard French? Over here, we get taught that if you don't know someone or it's formal, you still use vous (i.e. pourriez-vous signer ma balle?)...but is vous now restricted solely to plural groups?
No, you're right. Vous is like a polite form. But, the French speaking will confirm that the 'vous-form' is really formal. You know, when you talk to your boss, or someone who is really 'above' you.
Being Justine's fans, I guess she wouldn't mind us saying TU, especially since she's (probably) about our age.
I study @ a french-speaking university, and in the beginning, I was using the 'vous-form' a lot, but I always got some 'funny looks' because of it, so now I kinda stopped (try to) stop doing it. It's not eay, because in Dutch (my mother tongue) we use it a lot, so...

En tout cas, Justine shouldn't critise us, cuz her English is far from perfect, and lets just :tape: about her Dutch ;) *still love ya, Ju ;) *

pigam
Feb 12th, 2004, 11:05 AM
ok I'll just shut up :o:tape:
De rien, Fleem.
Khoop da ge mijn verbeteringen niet kwalijk neemt. :o :s ...
Mijn frans is ook nie perfect (verre van!). Ik studeer in 't frans dus normaal gezien zou het toch wel min of meer oké moeten zijn hé.
Over mij Limbuuuurgs hemme wet nog nie gehad hé? Zo e Hasselts accént aannéme is aolles behalve simpel... * Of spreekt ge geen Limburgs?:o hard to imagine ;) :) :*

Lady
Feb 12th, 2004, 11:16 AM
Ok, I will share my expierence as well. :p
I speak, read, write Latvian very very well! :D But I learned it better by speaking in Latvian with Latvians & by watching TV!

My English became much better when I was a huge Backstreet Boys fan, so i watched/recordec every interview, thus learning A LOT! I was a Music Freak back then, so I watched a lot of interviews tec. ;)

I learned German in school, but with my teacher I couldn't even make up a sentence on my own! :o But watching BSB interviews in German (on VIVA etc, I have some German channels), and other musicians interviews, I learned much more! Now I can even watch some movies & TV shows on German TV ;)

So as you can see, school is not a place where I learned languages ;)

**Jelica**
Feb 12th, 2004, 11:20 AM
Juju is the best!
Some you might know me already from Ju's official site...I am her REALLY big fan!

Lady
Feb 12th, 2004, 11:23 AM
And about Justine afraid talking in Dutch ;)

I remember the times when I could speak Latvian only in class... I was afraid to speak in public, because of fear of making a mistake. It's called a language barierre (forgot the right word :o )
So maybe Justine needs to overcome it (like I did) so she will speak Dutch more then. ;)

Greenout
Feb 12th, 2004, 11:57 AM
And about Justine afraid talking in Dutch ;)

I remember the times when I could speak Latvian only in class... I was afraid to speak in public, because of fear of making a mistake. It's called a language barierre (forgot the right word :o )
So maybe Justine needs to overcome it (like I did) so she will speak Dutch more then. ;)

This is so true. They (the experts) say that children learn languages
quicker than adults because they're not shy about making minor
grammer errors or mispronouncing words. We should tell Juju
to be childlike and think like a little one and her English and Dutch
will improve.

Yeah, right. I'm sure she'd tell us all to "F**k Off!"
which no doubt is one of the English words she knows very well.
:haha:

fleemke³
Feb 12th, 2004, 12:22 PM
De rien, Fleem.
Khoop da ge mijn verbeteringen niet kwalijk neemt. :o :s ...
Mijn frans is ook nie perfect (verre van!). Ik studeer in 't frans dus normaal gezien zou het toch wel min of meer oké moeten zijn hé.
Over mij Limbuuuurgs hemme wet nog nie gehad hé? Zo e Hasselts accént aannéme is aolles behalve simpel... * Of spreekt ge geen Limburgs?:o hard to imagine ;) :) :*
Lol ik vond mijn poging toch ni slecht ;) en over mijn Limburgs accent moet ik u teleurstellen :p Ik kom eigenlijk uiit Leopoldsburg en das net niet provicie A'pen + t zit daar vol militairen van over gans België dus ik spreek niet echt lalalalaaaaaaa Limburgs ;) En hier in Haaaaaasselt krijg ik zelf horens van het dialect dat ze hier spreken ;) De meeste mensen denken dat ik van de kanten van Diest ben als ik spreek dus :p

sorry it's in Dutch but it's such bullshit and not worth translated ;)

pigam
Feb 12th, 2004, 12:47 PM
My English became much better when I was a huge Backstreet Boys fan, so i watched/recordec every interview, thus learning A LOT!
:eek: You should be a KIM-fan, then. She's (was) a huge fan of the BSB.

Booooooooooooo Lady, Boooooooooooo :o ;) :D

pigam
Feb 12th, 2004, 01:02 PM
Lol ik vond mijn poging toch ni slecht ;) en over mijn Limburgs accent moet ik u teleurstellen :p Ik kom eigenlijk uiit Leopoldsburg en das net niet provicie A'pen + t zit daar vol militairen van over gans België dus ik spreek niet echt lalalalaaaaaaa Limburgs ;) En hier in Haaaaaasselt krijg ik zelf horens van het dialect dat ze hier spreken ;) De meeste mensen denken dat ik van de kanten van Diest ben als ik spreek dus :p

sorry it's in Dutch but it's such bullshit and not worth translated ;)
My mom is from the northern part of Limburg. Near the Dutch border. (Near Neerpelt) and her dialect is quite oké. it's more the Steveart-dialect and the GENKdialect i find Quit annoying ;)

And you're right: your french was quite oké. Much better than what our Noorderburen uit hun botten slaan. There is some kind of quiz for Hollanders on the Kamping, where they have to learn some french words. I can tell you: hilààààààààààààààrisch :) :haha: :lol:




*sorry for the coctail of Englisch and Dutch, I'm too lazy to translate this B*llsh*i properly ;) *

pigam
Feb 12th, 2004, 01:04 PM
Yeah, right. I'm sure she'd tell us all to "F**k Off!"
which no doubt is one of the English words she knows very well.
:haha:
She'll probably go for the: 'tu me prends pour qui là? Casse toi, petit con!' ;)
I speak from experience: insulting people goes best in ones mother tongue.


Go Ju get your freak on!! :haha:

fleemke³
Feb 12th, 2004, 01:06 PM
My mom is from the northern part of Limburg. Near the Dutch border. (Near Neerpelt) and her dialect is quite oké. it's more the Steveart-dialect and the GENKdialect i find Quit annoying ;)

And you're right: your french was quite oké. Much better than what our Noorderburen uit hun botten slaan. There is some kind of quiz for Hollanders on the Kamping, where they have to learn some french words. I can tell you: hilààààààààààààààrisch :) :haha: :lol:




*sorry for the coctail of Englisch and Dutch, I'm too lazy to translate this B*llsh*i properly ;) *
Ik vind Neerpelt toch ook al erg :o ma ok Hasselt en Bree :angel: en daar aan de Maas is nog erger ;)

Lady :eek: The Backstreet Boys :eek: :p

pigam
Feb 12th, 2004, 01:31 PM
Ik vind Neerpelt toch ook al erg :o ma ok Hasselt en Bree :angel: en daar aan de Maas is nog erger ;)

Lady :eek: The Backstreet Boys :eek: :p
There's a girl from Bilzen in my 'class' and she's quite ... mmmm... let's say, mmm... yeah, you know. Yeah Bree (opitter :angel: ) :cuckoo: ;)

fleemke³
Feb 12th, 2004, 01:34 PM
There's a girl from Bilzen in my 'class' and she's quite ... mmmm... let's say, mmm... yeah, you know. Yeah Bree (opitter :angel: ) :cuckoo: ;)

:rolls: :lol: yeah ... I know :D

Lady
Feb 12th, 2004, 05:07 PM
Well, I was 14-16 back then ;)
But I'm still a fan :devil: Just not to the degree it used to be ;)

Now I'm a freak Justine fan! :banana:
BTW, she gives much more nerve-wreckin moments then BSB ever did ;)