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Hurley
Dec 5th, 2002, 03:42 AM
I'm looking very much forward to "The Hours," and it starts off the Oscar season by picking up the National Board of Review's Best Film award.

Julianne Moore looks like a Best Actress lock for "Far From Heaven"...I expect her to win most of the critics' awards and be the favorite for the Oscar.

Complete list of winners:

TOP TEN FILMS OF 2002 TOP FIVE FOREIGN FILMS OF 2002
1. The Hours -- Best Film
2. Chicago
3. Gangs of New York
4. The Quiet American
5. Adaptation
6. Rabbit-Proof Fence
7. The Pianist
8. Far From Heaven
9. Thirteen Conversations About One Thing
10. Frida

1. Talk to Her --_ Best Foreign Film
2. Y Tu Mama Tambien
3. 8 Women
4. City of God
5. El Crimen del padre Amaro

Best Actor: Campbell Scott, Roger Dodger
Best Actress: Julianne Moore, Far From Heaven
Best Supporting Actor: Chris Cooper, Adaptation
Best Supporting Actress: Kathy Bates, About Schmidt
Best Acting by an Ensemble: Nicholas Nickleby
Breakthrough Performance Actor: Derek Luke, Antwone Fisher
Breakthrough Performance Actress: Maggie Gyllenhaal, Secretary
Best Director: Phillip Noyce, The Quiet American and Rabbit- Proof Fence
Best Directorial Debut: Rob Marshall, Chicago
Screenwriter of the Year: Charlie Kaufman, Adaptation, Confessions of a
Dangerous Mind, Human Nature
Best Documentary: Bowling for Columbine
Best Animated Feature: Miyazaki¹s Spirited Away
Best Film Made for Cable TV: The Laramie Project
Special Award for Visionary Cinematic Achievement: George Lucas
Career Achievement: Christopher Plummer
Special Filmmaking Achievement: George Clooney, Director, Producer, and Star
of Confessions of a Dangerous Mind
Career Achievement _ Film Music Composition: Elmer Bernstein
Career Achievement _ Cinematography: Conrad Hall
Humanitarian Award: Sheila Nevins
William K. Everson Award for Film History: Annette Insdorf for her book
³Indelible Shadows: Films and the Holocaust ²
Special Recognition of Films that Reflect the Freedom of Expression:
Ararat, Bloody Sunday, The Grey Zone, Rabbit-Proof Fence

Special Mention for Excellence in Filmmaking
The National Board of Review, in keeping with its long tradition of
recognizing excellence in filmmaking is proud to salute the following films,
crafted by visionary artists which demonstrate the creativity and
determination which have always been vital to the film industry:
Frailty
The Good Girl
The Guys
Heaven
Igby Goes Down
Max
Personal Velocity
Real Women Have Curves
Roger Dodger
Sunshine State
Tadpole
Tully

Master Lu
Dec 5th, 2002, 02:02 PM
bah, I love Julianne Moore, but why did she have to have such a great year this year? lol
I still think Nicole Kidman might win it, as a compilation of last year's Moulin Rouge and this years The Hours.
Then again, Moore also had a great role in The Hours (supposedly, haven't seen the movie yet, unfortunately)...

gorecki
Dec 6th, 2002, 09:50 AM
Haven't caught that many movies this year...:o

Julianne Moore... :love:

saw the photo of Meryl/Julianne/Nicole from The Hours. Didn't recognise her at all with the prosthetic nose on. I assume she's the one playing Virginia Woolf.

:wavey: @ Jas. Thanks for the list!

Rae Q.
Dec 6th, 2002, 10:48 PM
I haven't seen most of them some I never heard of but I totally loved Igby Goes Down. We saw it by accident because the movie we wanted to see was sold out and it was actually cool. Hottie Ryan Philippe was great. :drool: Macaulley Culkin's brother's a cutie in that Toby McGwyre kinda way. Clair Danes hair all crimped and stuff rocked. :)

Luna_Angel_84
Dec 6th, 2002, 10:53 PM
Does Nicole ming in this film? What am I going to do? :eek:

Hurley
Dec 6th, 2002, 11:01 PM
Six of their Top Ten haven't yet come out...and the other four will never go wide. The gulf between critical and commercial success is sadly widening. :mad:

Yep, Nicole plays Woolf, hence the nose. From pictures I've seen, she does ming a bit. ;)

Luna_Angel_84
Dec 6th, 2002, 11:03 PM
Noooooooooooooooo! Is she going to be in any other films soon where she looks a little more like her usual self?

Hurley
Dec 6th, 2002, 11:03 PM
And "Igby Goes Down" was a great movie...that, "The Good Girl," and "Y Tu Mama Tambien" are my favorite movies of this year so far. But, like I said, so many highly-touted movies are coming out in the next couple weeks, and I'll be blowing all my money on them all, so I'll keep you posted. :)

Hurley
Dec 6th, 2002, 11:06 PM
Here is Nic as Woolf: :eek:
http://www.oscarcentral.com/hourskidmanpic.jpg

Luna, since she'll be up for every award for this part, I'm sure you'll see her usual gorgeous self at lots of ceremonies. :)

selesfan1
Dec 6th, 2002, 11:07 PM
Speaking of Oscars will Lord of the Rongs be eligible for Oscar nominations. Didn'r see Roadto Perdition in there.

Hurley
Dec 6th, 2002, 11:10 PM
DreamWorks will be pushing either "Road to Perdition" or "Catch Me If You Can" as their Best Picture contender. "Perdition" did get some very mixed reviews and middling box office, but judging from the early trade ads coming out it looks as though "Perdition" will be the one to get the most support. Sam Mendes and Paul Newman have Oscar support from the past, and Tom Hanks has a bigger role in "Perdition," and it's got the length and tone of other under-received films that wedged their way into the shortlist (think "The Green Mile"). I think it will probably make the final five.

Hurley
Dec 6th, 2002, 11:11 PM
And yes...LOTR:TTT will be eligible.

gorecki
Dec 7th, 2002, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by Hurley
Six of their Top Ten haven't yet come out...and the other four will never go wide. The gulf between critical and commercial success is sadly widening. :mad:


what the critics like might not go down well with the mass - vice versa...

with Streep/Moore/Kidman in the movie, it ought to have a reasonably long playtime in the cinemas when it's released here...


Did anyone watch The Golden Bowl [Uma Thurman/Jeremy Northam] - is it good? It was screened here recently but its run ended b4 i got a chance to catch it.

wongqks
Dec 7th, 2002, 01:37 AM
am I the only one who is looking forward to Chicago?
The trailer is so cool, I saw the musical and I think the movie will be great

Hurley
Dec 7th, 2002, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by gorecki
what the critics like might not go down well with the mass - vice versa...

It never has, but it's getting worse. Movies are either made for mass audiences or the Academy these days...hardly anything comes out for both.

Wong, you're not the only one...I loathe many movie musicals, but "Chicago" is one of my favorite musicals so I'm excited to see a film version. I don't have high hopes...but it is supposed to be very good.

Hurley
Dec 7th, 2002, 01:45 AM
What bothered me about the "Chicago" trailer was there were absolutely no musical scenes in it! I mean...I wasn't sure if they had made a straight version of it. But, again, the buzz is great. We shall see...they have to really go off to muck up that score. It's great.

gorecki, I haven't yet seen "The Golden Bowl," but Thurman and Northam sound like a pretty good combo to me :drool:

gorecki
Dec 7th, 2002, 01:54 AM
Originally posted by Hurley
It never has, but it's getting worse. Movies are either made for mass audiences or the Academy these days...hardly anything comes out for both.

pffff @ the academy and their awards...ditto to the critics -
we'll be own judges as to which movies we should be watching...


chicago sounds nice - renne zellweger looks cute in a short clip i caught [the trialroom scene with richard gere]

gorecki
Dec 7th, 2002, 01:57 AM
Originally posted by Hurley
gorecki, I haven't yet seen "The Golden Bowl," but Thurman and Northam sound like a pretty good combo to me :drool:

hehehe...catching a movie for all the wrong [or should that be right] reasons... ;)

:wavey: to Jas for now


Happy Movie Watching people.
Cheers!

Chris.

Hurley
Dec 7th, 2002, 01:58 AM
Renee Z is a very talented actress...she was good as Bridget Jones but everyone should see "Nurse Betty"...what a great comedy.

I think you can guarantee four of the five Best Actress nominees already: Zellweger, Streep and Kidman for "The Hours," and Moore in "Far From Heaven." Look for Streep and Moore to double up in the Supporting category too, for "Adaptation" and "The Hours" respectively.

TS
Dec 7th, 2002, 02:10 AM
Looks like 2003 might be attack of the Meryl again ;)

Nurse Betty...what a FAB film.

How often have two actors/actresses that appeared in the same film, been nominated in the same category? I remember Geena Davis and Susan Sarandon for Thelma & Louise...

Hurley
Dec 7th, 2002, 02:22 AM
It's happened a few times...more often in supporting categories, like Helen Mirren and Maggie Smith last year for "Gosford Park," or Frances McDormand (love her!) and Kate Hudson the year before, in "Almost Famous."

Leading...mmm...some off of the top of my head...

F. Murray Abraham and Tom Hulce in "Amadeus" (1984)
Peter Finch and William Holden in "Network" (1976)
Shirley MacLaine and Anne Bancroft in "The Turning Point" (1977)

The problem with doing that is the vote is often split. Add Davis and Sarandon to my five examples and only 2 out of those 6 actually won (Abraham and Finch). So most companies try to promote only one performance per film as the Leading candidate, in hopes of scoring the Best Actor or Best Actress Oscar (think Travolta being pushed for Actor and Sam Jackson being pushed for Supporting in "Pulp Fiction," in spite of nearly equal screen time). Of course, the members decide where they want to nominate certain people but after weeks worth of trade ads and warm-up awards, it becomes pretty evident where people hope to end up.

There was a big controversy about whether to push Nic Kidman for Supporting this year, since she probably would have been a shoo-in to win, but looks like Nic took Sharon Stone's famous advice to Courtney Love: "It's better to not be nominated for Best Actress than to to be nominated and lose Best Supporting Actress." The problem there is that Nic is a shoo-in to be nominated for Best Actress and probably would win the Supporting Actress award! She's a surefire nominee but Best Actress is a tough field this year.

TS
Dec 7th, 2002, 02:32 AM
Thanks Jas...some interesting tidbits there!

Frances McDormand....I worship the ground she walks on :hearts: I'll never forget leaving the theatre after watching Fargo and thinking "Oscar".

I've always wondered about the lead/supporting category...watching Silence Of The Lambs, Anthony Hopkins doesnt have a ton of screen time, yet steals every scene he is in...but I've always wondered if it was another actor portraying Hannibal, would they have been put into the supporting category?

Hurley
Dec 7th, 2002, 02:37 AM
Yes...the Hopkins thing was surprising...but his performance left an indelible impression as you were leaving the theater, in spite of the lack of screen time (and so did Foster's). It's always a judgement call...but I don't think it had anything to do with Hopkins; he was practically unknown in the States prior to "Silence." It was just an unforgettable performance.

You know...I always waffle on whether "Fargo" was a really great black comedy or just the Coens hammering easy targets...but Frances was great, she deserves all of her kudos for everything she does.

TS
Dec 7th, 2002, 02:40 AM
Re Fargo...a bit of both I think ;)

Random question...is the movie Unfaithful eligible for anything this year, or was it last year? No, I dont mean for Best Picture (its not great...good, but not great), but Diane Lane was very impressive IMO...

Scotso
Dec 7th, 2002, 02:41 AM
Neva heard of "The Hours"

Hurley
Dec 7th, 2002, 02:45 AM
"Unfaithful" is eligible and Diane Lane is getting a push from whatever company released that film...she's very well-respected but there is only one open spot left for Best Actress at this point, IMO, and she's competing with Salma Hayek, Jennifer Aniston, Nia Vardalos (whose "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" is a bigger contender than most people think), among others.

Hurley
Dec 7th, 2002, 02:48 AM
I don't think LOTR:TTT will make the final five...I think its late surge last year to 13 nominations was luckily-timed and it only getting 4 wins in technical categories underscores that the LOTR movies aren't standard Academy fare...you don't ever see fantasies winning the big Oscars.

"Minority Report" was quite good. In the hands of a more interesting director, it would have been a more powerful piece of work.

TS
Dec 7th, 2002, 02:51 AM
Salma Hayek! I adore her...she's been in some horrible films though (hello Wild Wild West), but also has quite an interesting CV (did you see her in the bizzare Timecode?)...anyway, I've heard about "Frida" and the buzz her performance has created...

Nia Vardalos? Really?...wow. Havent actually seen it yet so cant judge (yes Im Greek, lol) but I think she may be a lock for the Golden Globes comedy category!!

Never thought Id see the name Jennifer Aniston come up in an Oscar discussion...but Ive heard its a rather good film.

Hurley
Dec 7th, 2002, 02:58 AM
So far it's been a weak 2002. "The Good Girl" is my #1 as of now; I was impressed but not wowed. Jennifer Aniston was pitch-perfect and I hope she gets that fifth spot, but I'm not holding my breath.

Salma...I love Salma (she was great in "Dogma"), but I really have absolutely no desire to see "Frida" whatsoever. If she gets the nomination I will, but lukewarm reviews has put her buzz on the backburner. If she gets a Globe nomination, I may consider setting her as the frontrunner for the fifth spot. She did put a lot of effort into this film, so she could get brownie points from that.

MBFGW made so much money and is such a crowd-pleaser that it has to be considered a favorite with the geeks who comprise the Academy. It was a very nice sitcom but I really hope they don't fall for it...still I'd rather have that competing than "Road to Perdition."

Hurley
Dec 7th, 2002, 03:02 AM
The thing about MBFGW is...we're talking about a lot of great films yet to open in here, but at least one or two won't catch on. MBFGW has already...and it's not a film you can dislike, even though it wasn't a great movie. It won't be divisive like some of these latecomers, and the ones least liked to come out in the next couple weeks will be left behind. So...I mean, frickin' Oscars. You never really know. :)

Curtis F
Dec 8th, 2002, 06:15 AM
Special Recognition of Films that Reflect the Freedom of Expression: Ararat, Bloody Sunday, The Grey Zone, Rabbit-Proof Fence

I'm so glad to see Rabbit-Proof Fence get acknowledged. I was totally engrossed.

Gangs of New York I have this feeling will bomb. It's been sitting on the shelf for a year now.

Frailty I didn't care for. Just kind of lost its way by the last half of it.

Far From Heaven was good but not special. A safe bet for nominations eventhough the voters will think they're being risky because of the movie's gay and racial themes.

Road to Perdition is back in theaters for Oscar consideration so you know it's going to make the cut.

My Big Fat Greek Wedding. Haven't seen it but why couldn't it happen to a better independent film?!
It's The Full Monty all over again. Hurley I heard it described something just like that (a nice sitcom).

Hurley
Dec 8th, 2002, 07:00 AM
"Perdition" is the kind of well-filmed, mediocre, critic-proof claptrap that the Oscar voters just love. It wasn't very good but it probably will make the shortlist, now that Dreamworks has decided that it, as opposed to "Catch Me If You Can," will be its Oscar push.

The "Gangs" buzz has been all over the map. The clips look kind of silly, I do not think it will be a financial success -- Scorsese never is -- but I think it will factor into the equation. But look at what happened with Scorsese's last Day-Lewis Victorian-era piece -- "Age of Innocence," IMO his best movie, got nowhere come nomination time. I personally think Scorsese is an overrated filmmaker and lord knows the Oscar voters don't care for him one bit.

I haven't seen "Far From Heaven" or "Rabbit-Proof Fence" yet, but I did watch "Lovely and Amazing" on video. Catherine Keener, we love you. Film overall is cosi-cosi, but Keener, man...she's stellar. And Jake Gyllenhaal needs to marry me in Holland.

gorecki
Dec 8th, 2002, 08:52 AM
Has anyone seen the French flick Brotherhood of the Wolf.
I was tempted to get it on VideoCD - just by the case cover... :o

TS
Dec 9th, 2002, 02:38 AM
Just lost my post :fiery: I hate when that happens :mad:

Rabbit Proof Fence one the Best Film award at the AFI awards (think 'Aussie Oscars', hehe) this weekend. Im glad it is getting some international recognition.

Chris, havent heard of that one!

TS
Dec 9th, 2002, 02:39 AM
Obviously, that should say 'won' instead of 'one'....sorry, minds a mess this afternoon for one reason or another....;)

Hurley
Dec 14th, 2002, 09:53 PM
I'm bumping this because the LA Film Critics awards should be out within a few hours...

Hurley
Dec 15th, 2002, 06:12 AM
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The Los Angeles Film Critics on Saturday picked drama "About Schmidt," starring Jack Nicholson (news), as the year's top movie, splitting the two major critics' awards so far as the 2002 Hollywood movie awards season heads into a pivotal week with more honors ahead.

"Far From Heaven," which along with the drama "The Hours" claimed the title of best actress for Julianne Moore (news), landed in the Los Angeles critics' group No. 2 spot. Isabelle Huppert took the runner-up spot for best actress in the Holocaust drama "The Piano Teacher."


Nicholson shared best actor honors with Daniel Day-Lewis (news) for the widely anticipated Martin Scorcese drama "Gangs of New York." With the shared award, there was no runner-up in that category.


The Los Angeles Critics Association, a group of 50 local movie reviewers, are among the first of the major critics' organizations this year to put out their annual award list. Still to come this week is the New York Film Critics Circle (news - web sites) on Monday and the Hollywood Foreign Press Association's Golden Globe nominations on Thursday.


The National Board of Review (news - web sites) has already weighed in with "The Hours" as the top film of the year followed by musical "Chicago" and "Gangs of New York" in the third spot.


The early critics awards often help narrow the choice of candidates for the Oscars (news - web sites) in March.


In "Schmidt" Nicholson plays a 66 year-old retiree on a search for meaning in his life. "Far From Heaven" has Moore portraying a 1950's housewife whose husband is gay. "Chicago" is based on the musical of the same name and "Gangs of New York" tells of turn of the century gang wars in the city.


The L.A. critics picked acclaimed Spanish director Pedro Almodovar as the year's top director for "Talk to Her," which looks at how men deal with love relationships. The runner-up was Todd Haynes (news) for "Far From Heaven.


Chris Cooper (news) for "Adaptation" was named best supporting actor with Christopher Walken (news) as the runner-up for "Catch Me If You Can." Edie Falco (news) was the favorite supporting actress for "Sunshine State" followed by Kathy Bates (news) for "About Schmidt."


Screenplay honors went to Alexander Payne and Jim Taylor for "About Schmidt" with Charlie Kaufman and Donald Kaufman runner-ups. Best foreign language film award went to Mexican hit "Y Tu Mama Tambien," followed by "Talk to Her."

Hurley
Dec 15th, 2002, 06:15 AM
Documentary — "The Cockettes."

Animation — "Miyazaki's Spirited Away."

Production Design — Dante Ferretti, "Gangs of New York."

Music/Score — Elmer Bernstein, "Far From Heaven."

Cinematography — Ed Lachman, "Far From Heaven."

Career Achievement — Arthur Penn.

New Generation Award — Lynne Ramsay.

Hurley
Dec 15th, 2002, 06:18 AM
"About Schmidt" has been receiving some of the best reviews I've seen in a long time. Nicholson and Bates were already big favorites for Oscars in their respective categories, but now the film itself seems to be contending for Best Picture as well.

Julianne Moore is halfway to the sweep of the four major critics awards -- only New York and the National Society left. She should bag the Golden Globe as well. It is looking more and more likely that Julianne Moore will win the Oscar on her third try.

Curtis F
Dec 15th, 2002, 07:12 AM
Hurley thanks for the update. I've seen previews for About Schmidt and it looks like a total retread of other Nicholson movies like As Good As It Gets. The funniest thing to me was seeing Dermot Mulroney with a mullet. Not sure if I'll see it but maybe will do so next year.

I hope Patricia Clarkson gets recognized for supporting actress at some point because she was just as good as Julianne Moore in Far From Heaven.

I saw Adaptation and liked it all the way until the last quarter. Nic Cage is hard to take some time but he handled the dual role well. Chris Cooper wasn't amazing but it's the kind of performance that the academy likes (Gary Senise would've been just as good if not better in the role) Maggie Gylenhaal was wasted in a small part.

Hurley I know you liked Lovely & Amazing so I'm sure you're happy about its noms for the Independent Spriit Awards. I havent's seen it but I think Catherine Keener's great.

Hurley
Dec 15th, 2002, 07:17 AM
Chris Cooper, I note, is also halfway to the sweep. Some thought he was robbed of a nomination for "American Beauty," but I disagree.

I thought "Lovely & Amazing" was a good movie, but a bit too pat and obvious. It was reasonably clever and funny, though. I liked "The Good Girl," another multiple Spirit Award nominee, much more.

Curtis F
Dec 15th, 2002, 07:22 AM
I'll see The Good Girl on dvd. The Friends cast don't have a good cinematic track record so I didn't rush out to see it. You think Aniston will get an Oscar nom?

Hurley
Dec 15th, 2002, 07:40 AM
Aniston will not get an Oscar nomination. The "Friends" cast is universally hated. The fact that "The Good Girl" was not a box-office success also works against it. Movies don't need to be huge to get Oscar recognition, but especially since it opened way back in the summer it has no momentum behind it.

Best Actress is not a deep field but Moore-Streep-Kidman-Zellweger already have four of the five lined up. The fifth will go to either Diane Lane or Salma Hayek; the wacky wild card will not be Aniston but Maggie Gyllenhaal for the ribald and interesting "Secretary."

Curtis F
Dec 15th, 2002, 07:46 AM
I felt bad for missing Secretary because I like James Spader a lot. Well I'll add it to my list of rentals.

No real interest in seeing Frida. Don't find Salma Hayek that intriguing.

I read that Spain doesn't want to make Almodovar's latest Talk To Her its official entry and I was surprised since he's their most well known filmmaker. Any frontrunner for Foreign Language film?

gorecki
Dec 15th, 2002, 07:56 AM
Sidetracking just a little [since this is a movie thread]

Has anyone [Terry?] seen the aussie flick Lantana?

have to grab the Gosford Park DVD b4 X'mas! [Northam/Scott Thomas/Phillipe [mmm!] well as Smith/Mirren etc...]

Already steeling myself for disappointment for the forthcoming awards...if only i could stop getting so upset my favs lose out to 'less deserving'winners - very subjective of course...

Curtis F
Dec 15th, 2002, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by gorecki
Sidetracking just a little [since this is a movie thread]

Has anyone [Terry?] seen the aussie flick Lantana?

have to grab the Gosford Park DVD b4 X'mas! [Northam/Scott Thomas/Phillipe [mmm!] well as Smith/Mirren etc...]

Already steeling myself for disappointment for the forthcoming awards...if only i could stop getting so upset my favs lose out to 'less deserving'winners - very subjective of course...

Chris I saw Lantana and liked it a lot (a really good film). It was eerie at times and I was not always clear which way the plot was going which is a good thing. Good to hear Anthony LaPaglia speaking in his native accent for a change because in the States he's always doing Italian tough guy stereotypes.

Hurley
Dec 15th, 2002, 08:12 AM
A very wise critic, Lisa Schwarzbaum of Entertainment Weekly, once said to me (yes, to me...a good moment) "Never get your hopes up about the Oscars...they'll always break your heart." So while they are fun and occasionally have a moment of shocking credibility (Hilary Swank), it's useless to get worked up about them being the be-all and end-all of cinema. They aren't.

"Lantana" came to the States late last year with deafening buzz for the LaPaglia performance and died immediately.

"Gosford Park"...my opinion of that film is that an amazing amount of noticeable work and genius went into that film and ended up with nothing of significance. Stellar acting, timing you could set your watch to, and utterly pointless, predictable, and forgettable.

"Frida." I love Salma, but the movie sounds like a dreadful bore. Taymor is a clever stage director but "Titus" was mediocre and the film gotvery lukewarm notices.

The official submissions of Foreign Language Film are out and I don't think the Almodovar, which I am seeing next week, was Spain's selection. I will check. Also passed over: Mexico's "Y Tu Mama Tambien." Probably a wise idea; the fogies in the Academy won't go for that classic, except for the writers, who will probably give the Cuaron brothers an Original Screenplay nod. Mexican cinema, though, is booming. "Amores Perros" of last year was another great piece.

The Benigni "Pinocchio" is Italy's selection. If there is one thing none of us need, it's more Benigni.

Hurley
Dec 15th, 2002, 08:18 AM
I was going to mention that "Talk To Her" is neck-and-neck for the Spanish national awards with another movie of which I could not remember the name. That movie is called "Mondays of the Sun" and is indeed the Spanish selection for the Oscar. Apparently the rumor is that since Almodovar already won his Oscar for 1999 "Todo sobre mi madre" ("All About My Mother") they decided to go for the Fernando Leon film this year. Injustice? Perhaps....but the Foreign Film Oscar competition is filled with it and everyone should be used to it by now. Don't even get me started on the Documentary competition.

Anyhoo! Here are the official submissions from each country. See which film from your country is vying for the Oscar!

Argentina: KAMCHATKA by Marcelo Pineyro
Belgium: LE FILS by Luc and Jean-Pierre Dardenne
Brazil: CITY OF GOD by Fernando Meirelles
Canada: UN CRABE DANS LA TETE by Andre Turpin
China: HERO by Zhang Yimou
Czech Republic: THE WILD BEES by Bohdan Sláma
Denmark: OPEN HEARTS by Susanne Bier
Finland: THE MAN WITHOUT A PAST by Aki Kaurismaki


France: 8 WOMEN by Francois Ozon
Germany: NOWHERE IN AFRICA by Caroline Link
Honk Kong: THE TOUCH by Peter Pau
Hungary: HUKKLE by Gyorgy Palfi
Iceland: The Sea by Baltasar Kormakur
India: DEVDAS by Sanjay Leela Bhansali
Israel: BROKEN WINGS by Nir Bergman
Italy: Pinocchio by Roberto Benigni
Korea: OASIS by Lee Chang-Dong





Mexico: EL CRIMEN DEL PADRE AMARO by Carlos Carrera
Netherlands: ZUS & ZO by Paula Van Der Oest
Norway: HOLD MY HEART by Trygve Allister Diesen
Philippines: SMALL VOICES by Gil Portes
Poland: EDI by Piotr Trzaskalski
Portugal: O DELFIM by Fernando Lopes
Romania: OCCIDENT by Cristian Mungiu
Russia: HOUSE OF FOOLS by Andrei Konchalovsky




Slovenia: HEADNOISE by Andrej Kosak
Spain: MONDAYS IN THE SUN by Fernando Leon
Sweden: LILJA 4-EVER by Lukas Moodysson
Taiwan: THE BEST OF TIMES by Chang Tso-Chi
Thailand: TRANSISTOR by Penek Ratanaruang
United Kingdom: THE WARRIOR by Asif Kapadia
Uruguay: HEARTS OF FIRE by Diego Arsuaga
Yugoslavia: LABYRINTH by Miroslav Lekic

Rae Q.
Dec 15th, 2002, 06:49 PM
Nothing for Antwone Fisher? :(

Hurley
Dec 15th, 2002, 07:12 PM
Don't worry. The Oscars always go for treacle.

Master Lu
Dec 15th, 2002, 08:25 PM
Hmm... I've seen the Golden Bowl on DVD the bigining of summer. I was all pumped up about it cause of great cast and the fact that I like period fils. Unfortunately I got utterly dissapointed. It was excrutiatingly boring, and pointless. :sad:

Hurley
Dec 16th, 2002, 12:00 AM
I haven't seen "The Golden Bowl." The recent Merchant Ivory films haven't been as good as their heyday from 1984 to 1993. Looks like a good cast -- Uma, Kate Beckinsale, Jeremy Northam. Eventually I will check it out, as I always get to Uma at one point or another.

I had been having a really good weekend so I decided to freak myself out today by doing the Aronofsky double feature of "Pi" and "Requiem for a Dream." Both overrated but sufficiently skeevy. And I enjoy the ambiguity...keeps you thinking after the film has ended. He could work on his clarity but he's a very striking filmmaker.

Tomorrow the New York Film Critics Circle votes and announces. They are always the most esoteric and over the last few years their winners actually haven't served as reliable Oscar harbingers....even when they go mainstream, they find bizarre winners (Cameron Diaz in "There's Something About Mary"? "One does wonder if any of Diaz's proponents really did find her to be a convincing doctor, which is what she played..." -- Bona, Inside Oscar 2, 207). Tomorrow will be very interesting.

Golden Globe nominations are announced on Wednesday, and that is surely where things will start to come together for crowd-pleasing, critic-proof, pointed-and-shot movies like "Antwone Fisher" and "Road to Perdition." The critics awards are really nothing more than setting up the one or two acclaimed spoilers invited to the party and then thrown a Screenplay or Supporting award before the high-profile statuettes go to the maudlin and manipulative. Fun times. ;)

TS
Dec 16th, 2002, 01:41 AM
Chris, yes Lantana would have been eligible last year but as Jason said, the hype pretty much died in the ass :( A great film nonetheless...

I wonder if our big film of this year "Rabbit Proof Fence" will cause a ripple a two?...methinks not.

Re the best actress category...here's hoping Diane Lane snares that fifth spot :)

Hurley
Dec 16th, 2002, 01:50 AM
The buzz on Diane Lane is growing and growing, as the Hayek buzz is fading. Owen Gleiberman of "Entertainment Weekly" will surely push for Lane tomorrow at the NYFCC voting...it'll be interesting to see, given the New Yorkers' penchant for surprises, if she'll stop the Moore winning streak.

Lane has a great reputation in Hollywood as a very solid, professional individual...but so does Hayek. Both are extremely well-liked.

Curtis F
Dec 16th, 2002, 01:52 AM
Thanks Hurley for the foreign film entry list. I seriously doubt if most of those films will make it to the Seattle area. I recognise Mexico: EL CRIMEN DEL PADRE AMARO by Carlos Carrera. I believe that it features the actor who played the working class guy in Y Tu Mama Tambien. 8 Women I have seen and it was fine. Came across more like a play to me which isn't bad but I felt a little claustrophobic after awhile. I'm surprised France didn't go for something more dynamic.

TS Rabbit-Proof Fence is one of my favourites of the year (in the top 3). I doubt if Oscar will bother. If it made by Hollywood and starred Mel Gibson it might have had a chance.

Hurley
Dec 16th, 2002, 01:58 AM
Phillip Noyce is getting a lot of ink for directing both "Rabbit-Proof Fence" and "The Quiet American," but he'll have to get a lot more if that film is to figure into the Oscar race. I don't know which studio is behind it but they haven't made a move with it at all. Noyce will get his push for the Michael Caine "American," and I think "Fence" will be left behind.

The working-class guy is called Gael Garcia Bernal, and he was also in "Amores Perros." I'm assuming he is probably one of Mexico's leading actors, at only 24.

I do want to see "8 Women" as well. France's top films are usually right up there with America's and the UK's.

TS
Dec 16th, 2002, 02:01 AM
PTBA, yes Rabbit Proof Fence is a fine film indeed, I just cant see it getting any noms in a rather competitive field. lol@the Mel Gibson line...you're probably right ;) Hey, but they got Kenneth Branagh! hehe

Curtis F
Dec 16th, 2002, 02:08 AM
Actually TS it's a good thing that they got Branagh. If it was Gibson (and made by Hollywood) they would have changed the focus to him to lure the female viewers and the young Aborginal girls would've been just an afterthought. Good thing Phillip Noyce made it outside of the system.

Hurley I totally agree about the The Quiet American being more favoured to make a little noise in the voting. Rabbit is the least accessible of the two.

gorecki
Dec 16th, 2002, 02:13 AM
sidetracking...again

anyone seen The Shipping News? any good?
performances by Moore and Blanchett?

Curtis F
Dec 16th, 2002, 02:17 AM
Sorry Chris I haven't. Saw the previews and New Foundland just looked not very inviting eventhough I liked everyone in it. :o

gorecki
Dec 16th, 2002, 02:20 AM
:) @ Curtis...

i too wasn't keen on the movie despite the solid looking cast...

time of the year for DVD hunting...

Monique
Dec 16th, 2002, 04:09 AM
I would love to see Isabelle Huppert nominated for a best actress category, not as a token foreigner like the great Fernanda Montenegro a couple of years ago, she is an amazing performer and deserves a wider recognition...

"El crimen del Padre Amaro" , Mexico's official entry is not even close to "Y tu mamá también" 's wit and freshness, pity the Oscar's conservative attitude hampers the latter chances...

Curtis F
Dec 16th, 2002, 09:08 AM
Monique you make a valid argument as well as remind me how foreign actors from non-English speaking countries are usually snubbed in the supporting categories. I agree that Montenegro was great in Central Station and Huppert is so amazing as well. She was mesmerizing in The Piano Room.

Hurley
Dec 16th, 2002, 05:02 PM
This is one of the things I think about often, how it is nearly impossible for an actor in a supporting role in a foreign film to be nominated (I can only think of one such instance -- Valentina Cortese in Truffaut's "La nuit americane").

Hurley
Dec 16th, 2002, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by Hurley
The buzz on Diane Lane is growing and growing, as the Hayek buzz is fading. Owen Gleiberman of "Entertainment Weekly" will surely push for Lane tomorrow at the NYFCC voting...it'll be interesting to see, given the New Yorkers' penchant for surprises, if she'll stop the Moore winning streak.

I'm sorry...I'm fucking brilliant. ;)

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Critically acclaimed drama "Far From Heaven" swept the 68th annual New York Film Critics Circle (news - web sites) awards on Monday, taking five prizes, including best film and best director, and setting the stage for one of the most confused Oscar battles in years.

The 34-member New York group's naming of "Far From Heaven" as best picture came after film critic groups in Los Angeles and Boston chose different pictures this weekend.


Los Angeles critics picked Alexander Payne's "About Schmidt" on Saturday as the year's best picture while Boston critics selected Roman Polanski (news)'s Holocaust film "The Pianist" as its surprise winner. To top it off, the National Board of Review (news - web sites), a veteran film appreciation society, chose yet another film as its best of the year: "The Hours," a film based on the life and work of novelist Virginia Woolf.


Critics awards often serve as precursors to the Oscars (news - web sites), which are chosen in March. All that is clear at the moment is that it is a strong field with no obvious front-runner.


The New York critics named "Far From Heaven's" Todd Haynes (news) as best director and the film's Dennis Quaid (news) and Patricia Clarkson as best supporting actor and supporting actress.


In addition, Edward Lachman was named best cinematographer for his work on the 1950s drama of a marriage rocked by the husband's affair with another man.


Daniel Day-Lewis (news) was named best actor by the New York critics for his work on "Gangs of New York," beating out Jack Nicholson (news), the star of "About Schmidt," in what a spokesman for the group said was a closely fought battle.


But in an unexpected upset, Diane Lane (news) was named best actress for her role as the roaming wife in "Unfaithful," beating Julianne Moore (news) who was up for her work as the wife in "Far From Heaven."


Mexican director Alfonso Cuaron (news)'s "Y tu mama tambien" was named best foreign film and Japan's Hayao Miyazaki's "Spirited Away" was named the year's best animated film.


"Standing In The Shadows Of Motown," directed by Paul Justman, was chosen as the year's best non-fiction film while the award for best first film was given to "Roger Dodger."


The New York critics award for best screenplay went to "Adaptation" written by Charlie Kaufman and Donald Kaufman.

Hurley
Dec 16th, 2002, 10:06 PM
Now. The NYFCC doesn't often get its winners Oscars. Even nominations sometimes are evasive.

BUT Diane Lane now has to be considered the prime candidate for the wild card Best Actress nomination.

Curtis F
Dec 16th, 2002, 10:13 PM
Thanks again for the updates Hurley. I'm really happy that Patricia Clarkson was recognized. Far From Heaven isn't perfect by any means but I can see why it has done well.

Does the National Society of Film Critics (not sure if that's the exact name) still exist? I always thought their award was equal to the National Board of Review.

Hurley
Dec 16th, 2002, 10:18 PM
NSFC has been announcing in January in recent years. Most of the time they've been picking films or actors bypassed by the other groups. Like if Diane Lane had not have won in New York, she surely would have won from the National Society.

Their award, in my mind, is far more prestigious than the National Board of Review's. The National Board of Review are a bunch of weirdos. Half of them aren't even critics...they are students and professors and, I dunno, hookers. I don't take the NBR seriously.

Curtis F
Dec 16th, 2002, 10:43 PM
Ok thanks again. Sorry I just realised that you mentioned waiting on the NSFC on your first post. You think Todd Haynes will go Hollywood or split his time between indies and commercial like Soderbergh?

Hurley
Dec 16th, 2002, 10:48 PM
On the contrary, I think Haynes will stick to the indies.

I think "Far From Heaven" is about as "mainstream" he will go, which is great cos he's a chilling filmmaker. I haven't seen FFH yet but I was hoping to go today -- didn't happen. Perhaps tomorrow after my exam.

Curtis F
Dec 16th, 2002, 10:53 PM
Hurley post your review after you see it. I'm interested in what you and others think about FFH.

Chris have you seen it? Has it opened where you are?

gorecki
Dec 17th, 2002, 03:47 AM
Curtis :wavey:

nope FFH isn't on the screens here as yet - i doubt it will till after the Academy Awards...

and it will probably be on a short run even if it did make it here...

Beat
Dec 17th, 2002, 01:51 PM
wow, so much great info in here, thanks all, especially hurley! :wavey:

i just wanted to add that "8 femmes" (8 women) wasn't all that great. it's kind of a hitchcock-pastiche, but not a terribly imaginative one. of course it was a big hit in france and switzerland because there are all those terrific french actresses like deneuve, huppert and ardant.

oh, i've said it before and i'll say it again: ginger chicks rule! go huppert (she's always great, also in "8 femmes", haven't seen the piano teacher)! go moore! go kidman!

i really can't comment on most of the other films, they'll probably arrive here sometime next year :rolleyes: .

TS
Dec 17th, 2002, 01:58 PM
You're good Jas ;) :D

Yay Diane! And so begins my official campaign for Diane Lane to sweep all before her :o I picked it when I watched her in the film, she was bloody brilliant. Not the most demanding of roles, but the way she blended (if that is the right word) her characters different emotions was compelling stuff.

Hurley
Dec 17th, 2002, 08:27 PM
Tomorrow the Globe noms come out. Look for movies we haven't seen in the critics' voting to be big winners: "Antwone Fisher," definitely. "Road to Perdition." In the Musical/Comedy category, surely "Chicago" will lead, followed by "My Big Fat Greek Wedding." Jennifer Aniston, your train stops here.

Why these are interesting is because we're going to see which of the late-arriving flicks have penetrated the psyches of the Californians. Assume that "Perdition" and "Fisher" are locks for Best Picture Drama. That leaves three spots for: "The Hours," "Far From Heaven," "About Schmidt" (unless that gets slotted into the Comedy category), "Gangs of New York," "The Pianist," "Lord of the Rings."

Lazy Oscar voters look at this list. They need to stop (and they have been deviating from it more and more in recent years), but it's a good crib sheet for them: sort of Cliffs Notes on what is considered "respectable." (Otherwise we seriously could see a best picture nominee like "The Sum of All Fears.") Many times the Supporting Oscar nominees have been copied note-for-note: if anything, the Globe nominations are most pivotal for these actors, who see their competition for the five spots whittled from about twenty to six or seven.

Rae Q.
Dec 17th, 2002, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by Hurley
Don't worry. The Oscars always go for treacle.

I had to go look up "treacle". :o I saw this behind the scenes thingy and it looks so good even if it's kind of sappy and stuff. Derek Luke and Joy Bryant might be the new black It guy and girl so I wanna see it for them and I can be like "oh yeah I was into them like last year. You're just finding out about them now?" ;)

Celeste
Dec 17th, 2002, 10:32 PM
I think "Far From Heaven" is so over-hyped. It was ok, but I cannot believe everyone think it's so incredible. I didn't think it was really that great and I thought none of the characters had any depth, just playing total stereotypes. I think it was trying to be serious yet at the same time parady 50's movies and ended up something in between.

Hurley
Dec 17th, 2002, 11:21 PM
Instead of seeing "Far From Heaven," I rented "Unfaithful," which was just released on video today. I will watch it after "Gilmore Girls" and give my Diane Lane critique. ;)

Curtis F
Dec 18th, 2002, 08:30 AM
Celeste I agree with you to an extent. I didn't think they were parodying films from the 50's at all. Julianne Moore in particular concentrated on making sure her acting style fit the way women behaved in the suburbs back then. The movie itself isn't a masterpiece by any means and I hope it doesn't win Best Picture.

I'll rent Unfaithful soon. I'm hoping that Diane Lane's performance isn't similar to the one she gave in the movie with Viggo Mortensen (I think it was called A Walk in the Clouds). She was good in that but it sounds similar in story and character
to Unfaithful eventhough they take place in diferent eras.

Hurley I look forward to the GG nominations. I like the the split comedy/musical and drama acting categories although they should do it for Supporting as well.

Hurley
Dec 18th, 2002, 07:39 PM
I guess I got my dates mixed up...GG noms must come out tomorrow. :confused:

Celeste
Dec 19th, 2002, 12:43 AM
PTBA, I think to a certain extent is was meant to be a parody. The splashy colored titling, the overly dramatic music, and some of the dumbest dialog ever, like the son always saying "Hiya Pops!" This is all 50's movies, all the way, and the silliest part about them. You can make a movie about 50's life, but not have to adopt the artificial elements that 50's movies themselves had. I felt there was some element of spoofing 50's movies there. Even if you ignore that, I still think the plot was hokey and contrived and the characters very one-dimensional. The Julianne Moore character had no flaws and the gardener's didn't either. That is not believable at all. The acting was fine, but this is no "great" movie, I agree with you there.

evadafan
Dec 19th, 2002, 02:38 AM
Julianne Moore did a good job, but other than that this movie sucked. But it is the kind of crap movie (like American Beauty) that the Hollywood establishment just loves.

Hurley
Dec 19th, 2002, 02:50 AM
"American Beauty" is a rare time when they actually got it right. More often than not, the establishment likes ponderous, characterization-free epics like "Braveheart" or, god help me, "Gladiator." That's "Road to Perdition" this year -- from the slumming director of "American Beauty"!

Hurley
Dec 19th, 2002, 02:54 AM
Although...there are better films than "American Beauty." Sometimes it got a little too sarky. But it was wonderfully-filmed, funny, clever....a great film IMO.

Curtis F
Dec 19th, 2002, 04:53 AM
Hey ease up on Sam Mendes. He's still feeling his way through the Hollywood system. I have to agree though that Road To Perdition basically just sat there. Jennifer Jason Leigh (in her cameo that they didn't admit was one) was on automatic pilot along with everyone else.

Celeste my friend John agreed with you on FFH's tongue-in-cheek approach but I just saw it as Todd Haynes being his usual overstylized self. Early 1990's generic San Fernando Valley living was exploited to eerie effect in Safe (also with Moore) for example. Celeste I'm laughing now because in rereading your last post I have visions of Julianne Moore's character in FFH meeting up at a drugstore with Joan Allen's repressed housewife from Pleasantville.

Hurley
Dec 19th, 2002, 05:14 AM
My two best friends, both of whom are into film (one nearly as much as myself) both positively HATED "Far From Heaven" when they saw it up in NY. The friend more into film brought up the "Pleasantville" comparison as well.

Went to watch "Unfaithful" but my VCR is busted. :(

evadafan
Dec 19th, 2002, 05:21 AM
I thought "Pleasantville" ten minutes into the film. I actually liked Pleasantville, though.

Hurley
Dec 19th, 2002, 05:26 AM
So did he. I've never seen "Pleasantville." I tried to once, but after maybe 10 minutes I couldn't be bothered. I don't remember why.

TS
Dec 19th, 2002, 05:36 AM
I really liked Pleasantville, particularly Joan Allen.

Adaptation just opened down here this week, I really want to see this film!!!

Have not heard anything about Far From Heaven...it will probably get released here in a couple months.

TS
Dec 19th, 2002, 05:39 AM
Just saw one of your back posts Jas...so you havent seen Unfaithful yet?

Sorry to hear about your VCR :(

Hurley
Dec 19th, 2002, 05:57 AM
Naw, I popped it in and the tape wouldn't run. Then I tried another and that didn't work either. So I'll try to catch it over break on someone else's machine. ;)

"Adaptation"...from the makers of one of my favorite films, "Being John Malkovich." Should be awesome.

Hurley
Dec 19th, 2002, 06:21 PM
Here are the Golden Globe nominations for film.

Picture, Drama:
"About Schmidt"
"Gangs of New York"
"The Hours"
"The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers"
"The Pianist"

Actress, Drama:
Salma Hayek, "Frida"
Nicole Kidman, "The Hours"
Diane Lane, "Unfaithful"
Julianne Moore, "Far From Heaven"
Meryl Streep, "The Hours"

Actor, Drama
Adrien Brody, "The Pianist"
Michael Caine, "The Quiet American"
Daniel Day-Lewis, "Gangs of New York"
Leonardo DiCaprio, "Catch Me If You Can"
Jack Nicholson, "About Schmidt"

Picture, Musical or Comedy:
"About a Boy"
"Adaptation"
"Chicago"
"My Big Fat Greek Wedding"
"Nicholas Nickleby"

Actress, Musical or Comedy
Maggie Gyllenhaal, "Secretary"
Goldie Hawn, "The Banger Sisters"
Nia Vardalos, "My Big Fat Greek Wedding"
Renee Zellweger, "Chicago"
Catherine Zeta-Jones, "Chicago"

Actor, Musical or Comedy
Nicolas Cage, "Adaptation"
Kieran Culkin, "Igby Goes Down"
Richard Gere, "Chicago"
Hugh Grant, "About a Boy"
Adam Sandler, "Punch-Drunk Love"

Foreign Language:
"Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress," France
"City Of God," Brazil
"The Crime of Father Amaro ("El Crimen del Padre Amaro"), Mexico
"Hero," China
"Nowhere in Africa," Germany
"Talk to Her," Spain

Supporting Actress:
Kathy Bates, "About Schmidt"
Cameron Diaz, "Gangs of New York"
Queen Latifah, "Chicago"
Susan Sarandon, "Igby Goes Down"
Meryl Streep, "Adaptation"

Supporting Actor:
Chris Cooper, "Adaptation"
Ed Harris, "The Hours"
Paul Newman, "Road to Perdition"
Dennis Quaid, "Far From Heaven"
John C. Reilly, "Chicago"


Director:
Stephen Daldry, "The Hours"
Peter Jackson, "The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers"
Spike Jonze, "Adaptation"
Rob Marshall, "Chicago"
Alexander Payne, "About Schmidt"
Martin Scorsese, "Gangs of New York"

Screenplay
Bill Condon, "Chicago"
David Hare, "The Hours"
Todd Haynes, "Far From Heaven"
Charlie Kaufman and Donald Kaufman, "Adaptation"
Alexander Payne and Jim Taylor, "About Schmidt"

Original Score:
Elmer Bernstein, "Far From Heaven"
Terence Blanchard, "25th Hour"
Peter Gabriel, "Rabbit-Proof Fence"
Philip Glass, "The Hours"
Elliot Goldenthal, "Frida"

Original Song:
"Die Another Day" from "Die Another Day" by Madonna
"Father and Daughter" from "The Wild Thornberrys Movie" by Paul Simon
"The Hands That Built America" from "Gangs of New York" by U2
"Here I Am" from "Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron" by Hans Zimmer, Bryan Adams and Gretchen Peters
"Lose Yourself" from "8 Mile," by Eminem

Hurley
Dec 19th, 2002, 06:28 PM
Well, these don't help at all. ;)

That my two locks for Drama, "Antwone Fisher" and "Road to Perdition," got no and 1 nomination respectively doesn't count them out at all, although "Perdition" looks to be in a bit of trouble.

And that those two films were bypassed and "Far From Heaven" STILL did not make the Picture shortlist seems to kill any hopes of it being nominated for the Best Picture Oscar. Its polarization of audiences will probably move into the Academy as well.

Jennifer Aniston being bypassed for Goldie Hawn in "The Banger Sisters" is pathetic. "The Banger Sisters"! Good lord. Another shock was Michelle Pfeiffer not making the Supporting Actress list for "White Oleander."

A nice surprise was that both Kieran Culkin and Susan Sarandon were recognized for "Igby Goes Down."

Nothing for Spielberg, Hanks, or Washington. Insert gleeful cackle here.

A big winner to come out of this, much more so than "Chicago," was the seemingly more obtuse "Adaptation."

Anyway...this is a weeeeeeeeeird year. :D

Curtis F
Dec 20th, 2002, 05:15 AM
I'm so glad Perdition was snubbed. Someone needed to jumpstart that movie. Too busy trying to be poignant when it should've been gritty (or at least somewhere in between).

I liked Adaptation a lot. I hope this isn't a spoiler to anyone but if you didn't know already John Cusack and Catherine Keener briefly (and I mean briefly) reprise their John Malkovich roles. It's a clever sequence.

I missed Igby and the other Culkin movie Secret Life of Altar Boys but will see on dvd.

deftman
Dec 28th, 2002, 11:26 PM
Bump :bounce:
I keep checking this thread for upates.
So please keep it alive :bounce: