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Smitten
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:12 AM
Discuss.

Trih
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:14 AM
:spit:

Lucyxx
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:15 AM
Discuss Vika's great attitude?

Sure. Works hard. I met her off court. Whether she loses top 10 status in a couple years or not, we'll see. She will not be disheartened.

She's very consistant. Don't think the fame will get to her head.

I see a change personally in her personality since moving way up in the rankings (like top 3-5), but I don't think that will change her on court determination.

MrProdigy555
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:17 AM
Nah, I don't think so. She seems to be different from the other flops from her generation. Plus, her level of play is generally very consistent.

quenelle
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:30 AM
I doubt it. But if she does, I'll blame it all on Redfoo.

Vincey!
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:41 AM
Depends what you would consider a flop for her :shrug:. I don't think she'll repeat her 2012 success but I don't see her out of the top 5 at any point this season.

Lucyxx
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:43 AM
I think, Vincey, it's very possible she matches her 2012 success even despite how well MariaS/Serena are playing.

When Vika came up from near #100 I saw a player that could hit from the baseline with anybody and I still see her possessing that kind of fire power to this day.

Stonerpova
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:43 AM
I don't know if she'll win a slam next year, but she'll still be uber-consistent and probably end the year in the top 3. She actually likes being #1, unlike Serena and Sharapova (who don't care) or Ivanovic and the Slamless Ones (who shit their pants). She embraces pressure and believes she can beat anyone (the mental baggage from the US Open final will make it hard for her to ever beat Serena again, but still). I can't stand the girl, but she definitely has the right attitude.

Vincey!
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:48 AM
I think, Vincey, it's very possible she matches her 2012 success even despite how well MariaS/Serena are playing.

When Vika came up from near #100 I saw a player that could hit from the baseline with anybody and I still see her possessing that kind of fire power to this day.

Oh she could have a really similar year but I think it'd be tougher for her this year. I don't think she'll be affected by the "pressure" to back up her 2012 results at all. She's just going to have a tougher competition with Sharapova and Serena playing much better than they were in the early 2012 where Azarenka made alot of points.

Lucyxx
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:52 AM
Oh she could have a really similar year but I think it'd be tougher for her this year. I don't think she'll be affected by the "pressure" to back up her 2012 results at all. She's just going to have a tougher competition with Sharapova and Serena playing much better than they were in the early 2012 where Azarenka made alot of points.
I still see Vika playing with a certain consistency, as Sirotkina is 4-4 with Adamczak, that overcomes those pressures in big matches.

I think this Thai Exo vs. Li in a couple of days will prove what I'm talking about.

Vika isn't like past younger players. Her attitude enables her to play her best tennis against tough opposition in impact matches. Maria's injuries caught up with her and she bounced back.

Vika's biggest obstacle is her health. If *knock on wood* she stays healthy, I don't see Kerbers and Lis passing her in the ranks.

Azarenka seems like the kind of talent that could read this forum and all the anti-Vika comments and STILL come out playing her style of quality tennis and come away Vika-torious.

oh yeah i guess
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:54 AM
Smitten's obsession with Azarenka seems to already be exceeding its already lofty heights with this thread.

Seek help.

Girl will be fine and providing she doesn't miss with injury she won't leave the top 5. :)

Trey
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:59 AM
Oh she could have a really similar year but I think it'd be tougher for her this year. I don't think she'll be affected by the "pressure" to back up her 2012 results at all. She's just going to have a tougher competition with Sharapova and Serena playing much better than they were in the early 2012 where Azarenka made alot of points.

I agree & I'm a huge fan of Vika, she won't have a 2012 year, I think more player will be more focus and trying harder too beat her even more after a great year she in had in 2012 this year

Vincey!
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:10 AM
I still see Vika playing with a certain consistency, as Sirotkina is 4-4 with Adamczak, that overcomes those pressures in big matches.

I think this Thai Exo vs. Li in a couple of days will prove what I'm talking about.

Vika isn't like past younger players. Her attitude enables her to play her best tennis against tough opposition in impact matches. Maria's injuries caught up with her and she bounced back.

Vika's biggest obstacle is her health. If *knock on wood* she stays healthy, I don't see Kerbers and Lis passing her in the ranks.

Azarenka seems like the kind of talent that could read this forum and all the anti-Vika comments and STILL come out playing her style of quality tennis and come away Vika-torious.

I totally agree with you, that's why I don't see her out of the top 5 at any point next season. She'll be a consistent player. I don't like her but I don't see how she could break mentally to go down the ranks. She's a secure top player now.

Lucyxx
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:15 AM
Vika has the perfect build to stay at the top, unlike other players that were at the top around 6 ft. (Ivanovic).

Plus, she's got the determination like Sharapova to remain there.

I don't see anybody being #1 next year aside from Vika/Sharapova/Serena.

Stonerpova
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:22 AM
Vika has the perfect build to stay at the top, unlike other players that were at the top around 6 ft. (Ivanovic).

Plus, she's got the determination like Sharapova to remain there.

I don't see anybody being #1 next year aside from Vika/Sharapova/Serena.

I don't think Ivanovic's fall from the top had anything to do with her build :lol:

n1_and_uh_noone
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:24 AM
If it is so obvious, what is there to discuss?

Welcome1
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:31 AM
That humiliation of Hingis at the US Open 2007 when young Vika bageled and breadsticked her still hurts ;)

Lucyxx
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:32 AM
I don't think Ivanovic's fall from the top had anything to do with her build :lol:
Well I meant Ivanovic had the height, not in correlation to the argument.

Ana didn't have the same determination to stay at the top as Maria was my point. ;)

HRHoliviasmith
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:35 AM
I doubt it. But if she does, I'll blame it all on Redfoo.

this. :o

MashaAzarenka
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:37 AM
It's gonna be very tough for Vika to defend all those points up until Miami. But she is definitely not going to "flop" as you put it. She's so consistent now, she always brings a high level to her matches (for the most part, a couple upsets are bound to happen eventually.)

But anyway, I don't see Vika keeping her #1 ranking but she will no doubt stay in the top 3 all year long. & I think she will win one slam, probably the Australian.

Lucyxx
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:38 AM
I think with Serena and Maria playing their peak tennis, the French Open is Vika's best chance to win a 2013 slam IMO.

Even though all three of them are well capable of winning any of them.

MrProdigy555
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:40 AM
I think with Serena and Maria playing their peak tennis, the French Open is Vika's best chance to win a 2013 slam IMO.

Even though all three of them are well capable of winning any of them.
Nah, I still say AO is her best shot. That's where she plays her best tennis, imo.

*but I think I get what you're saying, being as the FO is so wide open.

MashaAzarenka
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:41 AM
Nah, I still say AO is her best shot. That's where she plays her best tennis, imo.

*but I think I get what you're saying, being as the FO is so wide open.

I completely agree. If she's gonna win a slam this year, it'll have to be in Australia. Those courts best suit her game.

Her game isn't that great on clay, but like you said it's always wide open so you never know.

AcesHigh
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:51 AM
Why? She's better than everyone not named Serena Williams.

MashaAzarenka
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:55 AM
Even people who absolutely cannot stand Vika are smart enough to acknowledge the fact that she excels as a #1 and will more than likely not flop in 2013. So what I don't understand is why Smitten said it's "obvious" that she'll flop, when no one has agreed with him/her yet...

MrProdigy555
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:56 AM
Why? She's better than everyone not named Serena Williams.
This. Though I put her and Maria even.

tennisbum79
Dec 28th, 2012, 06:05 AM
Discuss.
What exactly is your assertion based on?

Why do you think it is obvious?
Can you put forward your argument supporting this propositions?

tennisbum79
Dec 28th, 2012, 06:09 AM
If it is so obvious, what is there to discuss?
I am hoping Smitten forgot the rest of the opening post where s/he laid out arguments supporting the proposition in the thread title.

viktory
Dec 28th, 2012, 06:13 AM
Even people who absolutely cannot stand Vika are smart enough to acknowledge the fact that she excels as a #1 and will more than likely not flop in 2013. So what I don't understand is why Smitten said it's "obvious" that she'll flop, when no one has agreed with him/her yet...
Because it is dead obvious that smitten is an obsessive hater of azarenka. Duh.

MashaAzarenka
Dec 28th, 2012, 06:36 AM
Because it is dead obvious that smitten is an obsessive hater of azarenka. Duh.

I have no problem with people who don't like Vika. I do, however, have a problem with people who hate her so much that they make absurd statements that can't possibly be backed up by facts. At least be reasonable.

Vincey!
Dec 28th, 2012, 07:10 AM
I have no problem with people who don't like Vika. I do, however, have a problem with people who hate her so much that they make absurd statements that can't possibly be backed up by facts. At least be reasonable.
I really dislike Azarenka and I don't see where someone could even consider Azarenka to flop so badly that she'd be out of the top 5 lol so I don't see what Smitten is talking about. Probably another bait thread to have people fighting. I guess the biggest flop is this thread lol

duhcity
Dec 28th, 2012, 07:14 AM
It's gonna be very tough for Vika to defend all those points up until Miami. But she is definitely not going to "flop" as you put it. She's so consistent now, she always brings a high level to her matches (for the most part, a couple upsets are bound to happen eventually.)

But anyway, I don't see Vika keeping her #1 ranking but she will no doubt stay in the top 3 all year long. & I think she will win one slam, probably the Australian.

Who was the last player that upset Vika in a truly *shocking* fashion? Domi gave her trouble this year and can be dangerous and is still top 20. Marion was a top 10 player, and losses to Serena, Maria and others can't truly be shocking upsets can they?

Her last inarguable flop match was in Stanford 2011. She's remarkably good at taking care of the people she should be wiping away easily. What she needs to do is find a way to consistently challenge Serena, and to add things to her game so people can't catch on to her tactics and strategies when they play well. I think Sam Sumyk is great and will contribute to that.

MashaAzarenka
Dec 28th, 2012, 07:16 AM
Who was the last player that upset Vika in a truly *shocking* fashion? Domi gave her trouble this year and can be dangerous and is still top 20. Marion was a top 10 player, and losses to Serena, Maria and others can't truly be shocking upsets can they?

Her last inarguable flop match was in Stanford 2011. She's remarkably good at taking care of the people she should be wiping away easily. What she needs to do is find a way to consistently challenge Serena, and to add things to her game so people can't catch on to her tactics and strategies when they play well. I think Sam Sumyk is great and will contribute to that.

I never said there would be a shocking upset, just a couple of upsets here and there. It happens to every player :P

Lord Choc Ice
Dec 28th, 2012, 07:24 AM
Not obvious :lol:, but you never know. Caro's career kinda suffered (still is) as she started a new relationship with Rory. A slight shift in focus is all it takes sometimes.

Simugna Help
Dec 28th, 2012, 07:33 AM
Nah, I still say AO is her best shot. That's where she plays her best tennis, imo.

*but I think I get what you're saying, being as the FO is so wide open.

Bitch, please. TF has established Sharapova is the red clay queen and the RG favorite for years to come.

debby
Dec 28th, 2012, 09:19 AM
Bitch, please. TF has established Sharapova is the red clay queen and the RG favorite for years to come.

Well she is :confused: queen Justine gave her green light.

Lol Smitten is such a pressed, bitter and sad hater with a no life. I feel for ya. I can't wait till Vila snatches other wigs, he will cry his mommy. Btw you should make a pact : if Vika wins another Slam this year, you ban yourself from that forum. Would be a great Christmas gift

Alejandrawrrr
Dec 28th, 2012, 09:32 AM
Nah, I still say AO is her best shot. That's where she plays her best tennis, imo.

*but I think I get what you're saying, being as the FO is so wide open.

Don't forget USO. People underrate her there because of her results on paper, but for the last three years she had the fainting episode, lost to Serena playing her best tennis of the event in R3, then lost to Serena again in F. With both presumably being top 4 seeds I expect her to do very well on the New York HC. And regarding her ranking, I expect her to do well to regain some points lost in the first half of the season during the USO lead ups.

AO & US: Second favorite behind Serena. Unlike on grass, on a great serving day she could possibly beat Serena, but it's nothing to bet on.
Serena > Vika > Maria > The rest.
Wim: On a fairly short list of players who could win, but is always going to be at the mercy of a Serena or probably even Petra. f those players flop she's with Sharapova as being proficient enough on the surface and consistent enough that she should be able to win.
Serena >>> Petra > Some Spoiler(like Venus) > Vika > Maria > The rest.
FO: Her worst slam. The clay takes away any bite on her groundstrokes making her look rather pedestrian. She has a lot to work on on the surface and can be beaten by quite a few players. Her last two results are QF, 4R, not bad but being subjective she just doesn't look convincing on the surface at all.
Sharapova > Stosur > Random Claycourter > Vika > Serena.

And don't mind Smitten yall :lol: I thought I heard someone say he claimed Azarenka wouldn't win a slam?

Royals.
Dec 28th, 2012, 09:53 AM
I've been saying this too.

I think the pressure is gonna get to her...

We shall see anyway.

Royals.
Dec 28th, 2012, 09:55 AM
Don't forget USO. People underrate her there because of her results on paper, but for the last three years she had the fainting episode, lost to Serena playing her best tennis of the event in R3, then lost to Serena again in F. With both presumably being top 4 seeds I expect her to do very well on the New York HC. And regarding her ranking, I expect her to do well to regain some points lost in the first half of the season during the USO lead ups.

AO & US: Second favorite behind Serena. Unlike on grass, on a great serving day she could possibly beat Serena, but it's nothing to bet on.
Serena > Vika > Maria > The rest.
Wim: On a fairly short list of players who could win, but is always going to be at the mercy of a Serena or probably even Petra. f those players flop she's with Sharapova as being proficient enough on the surface and consistent enough that she should be able to win.
Serena >>> Petra > Some Spoiler(like Venus) > Vika > Maria > The rest.
FO: Her worst slam. The clay takes away any bite on her groundstrokes making her look rather pedestrian. She has a lot to work on on the surface and can be beaten by quite a few players. Her last two results are QF, 4R, not bad but being subjective she just doesn't look convincing on the surface at all.
Sharapova > Stosur > Random Claycourter > Vika > Serena.

And don't mind Smitten yall :lol: I thought I heard someone say he claimed Azarenka wouldn't win a slam?

*waits* for doomsday to give you a good rep. :lol: :lol:

Steadyniacki
Dec 28th, 2012, 10:00 AM
I think Maria or Serena have just as much, if not more of a chance of flopping this season than Vika.

Both have shown the capabality of higher peaks, but are undeniably past them. It's getting towards the end of their careers so it's always going to be touch and go every season. Vika has been super-consistent, I don't think her level will drop significantly, but it's a question of if she can keep/raise it if Maria/Serena can produce another good year.

Please just dont let Aga finish YE #1.

Cindy and Kate
Dec 28th, 2012, 10:12 AM
No way she is going to be beneath the top 2. It will be more surprising if she doesn´t perform even better this season. She´s superfit, consistent and so strong willed to stay at the top. No "pressure issues" or such silliness in her case (unlike Kvitova last year).

jameshazza
Dec 28th, 2012, 10:27 AM
It depends what you consider a flop. I can't see her leaving the top 5 at any stage if she remains healthy. The worst case scenario is if Maria and Serena consistently bring their best and Petra sheds the gut, overcomes her health issues then she could possibly be YE #4 by a long margin.

It isn't the most likely of scenarios but it's the worst I can think of unless she becomes injured which would actually be more of a possibility. I don't think her tennis will be a problem next season, if anything I'm more concerned about whether or not she can go two full seasons in a row without being affected by injury, before last year she was very prone to them.

Royals.
Dec 28th, 2012, 10:27 AM
I think Maria or Serena have just as much, if not more of a chance of flopping this season than Vika.

Both have shown the capabality of higher peaks, but are undeniably past them. It's getting towards the end of their careers so it's always going to be touch and go every season. Vika has been super-consistent, I don't think her level will drop significantly, but it's a question of if she can keep/raise it if Maria/Serena can produce another good year.

Please just dont let Aga finish YE #1.

I can see this happening. :oh: :oh:

Grigorpova
Dec 28th, 2012, 11:09 AM
I hope she's used this off season effectively to build up her serve more (she was hitting some fine serves at Gilette Tour) so she can be more truthworthy with her serve and finish matches with a less chance of break. It'd be good to see her try to get just a little bit more power too, that'd definitely help her challenge Serena more often.

I think she'll up no less then #4, I mean who could take her place? The only three people I see who can challenge her are Serena, Masha and Kvitova. Unless something random happens like Stosur winning the FO :spit: or Li winning the FO or Radwanska/Wozniacki/Kerber winning a Slam :spit: then theres no doubt Vika will stay high.

MarkNL
Dec 28th, 2012, 11:20 AM
I would love for her to flop, but I doubt she will.

JarkaFish
Dec 28th, 2012, 11:28 AM
If she loses to anyone not named Serena in Brisbane than she's a flop.

crystal ball
Dec 28th, 2012, 11:30 AM
I think Maria or Serena have just as much, if not more of a chance of flopping this season than Vika.

Both have shown the capabality of higher peaks, but are undeniably past them. It's getting towards the end of their careers so it's always going to be touch and go every season. Vika has been super-consistent, I don't think her level will drop significantly, but it's a question of if she can keep/raise it if Maria/Serena can produce another good year.

Please just dont let Aga finish YE #1.

This! Except for the Aga part :)

I mean, seriously, why is almost everybody assuming that Serena and Maria will have a great year? I can see Serena becoming more and more part-timer and Maria loosing her focus. Besides, they are older than Vika and in this sport it may be important. It will be hard for Vika to be so dominant as in the first part of the previous year, but come on... she's proved herself last year.

JoPova
Dec 28th, 2012, 11:33 AM
I don't think so. She'll probably have a worse season than the 2012 one because of Serena's dominance and consistency, but she'll still have a pretty good one, ending the year in the top 3.

sammy01
Dec 28th, 2012, 12:00 PM
With Vika's metronomic crosscourt intense but high percentage game she aint leaving the top 3/5 for a long time. Think Lena D but with the balls to win.

debby
Dec 28th, 2012, 12:08 PM
With Vika's metronomic crosscourt intense but high percentage game she aint leaving the top 3/5 for a long time. Think Lena D but with the balls to win.

OMG YOU ARE BACK YASSS

tejmeglekvár
Dec 28th, 2012, 12:21 PM
It's gonna be very tough for Vika to defend all those points up until Miami. But she is definitely not going to "flop" as you put it. She's so consistent now, she always brings a high level to her matches (for the most part, a couple upsets are bound to happen eventually.)

But anyway, I don't see Vika keeping her #1 ranking but she will no doubt stay in the top 3 all year long. & I think she will win one slam, probably the Australian.

how can live anyone with such username. :tape:

Jimmie48
Dec 28th, 2012, 12:25 PM
Why does a nonsense thread from an obvious hater and troll get 50+ replies? :facepalm:

tejmeglekvár
Dec 28th, 2012, 12:25 PM
If WTA would be a decent organization, they would just ban this Shevil from any sport event.

Chrissie-fan
Dec 28th, 2012, 12:25 PM
I've been saying this too.

I think the pressure is gonna get to her...

We shall see anyway.
I don't think so. If she couldn't deal with the pressure it would have shown immediately after she won the AO and took over the #1 ranking. Instead of crumbling she went on a 26 match winnig streak. Even a loss like the USO final will actually encourage her because she came so close to winning it. In a way the pressure is off her somewhat because everyone expects Serena to destroy the field in 2013. That doesn't mean that Vika will win another major or end the season as #1. But I wouldn't be terribly surprised if she ended up achieving one or even both of those things. Unless severe injuries make it impossible I would be very surprised if she ends the year out of the top four though.

Jimmie48
Dec 28th, 2012, 12:30 PM
I agree. She has shown time and time again that pressure does not bother her. Right after the AO or the USO final would have been the moments to crumble but she didn't, quite the contrary...she went on to win big titles just weeks after.

JarkaFish
Dec 28th, 2012, 12:33 PM
Yeah I don't think she's bullshitting when she says the pressure doesn't really bother her all the time in press conferences.

Break My Rapture
Dec 28th, 2012, 12:48 PM
If it is so obvious, what is there to discuss?
:lol:

Cindy and Kate
Dec 28th, 2012, 12:51 PM
Yeah I don't think she's bullshitting when she says the pressure doesn't really bother her all the time in press conferences.

Yes, if anything, I think she only gets more motivated by being number one.

Cosmic Voices
Dec 28th, 2012, 12:51 PM
With Vika's metronomic crosscourt intense but high percentage game she aint leaving the top 3/5 for a long time. Think Lena D but with the balls to win.

:hearts:

jj74
Dec 28th, 2012, 01:11 PM
To be honest, i think she had way more pressure when she was a rising star but she didn't do that well at GS.
Now she is a Slam winner, she showed that she can compete with anyone, if she were mentally tougher the US Open final would be a different story, but at least she knows she can compete against the best players.
If she doesn't do well this year, it will be for different reasons, being out of form, injuries, but if all goes ok, i think she will win a Slam

bandabou
Dec 28th, 2012, 01:30 PM
Nah..she ain't going anywhere. Right now she's only to worry about Serena and Masha on clay or in SUPERMasha form.
Should do fine on HC's, so top 5 should be the least.

bandabou
Dec 28th, 2012, 01:31 PM
And I think the onus might be even more on MASHA. This year has been her most successful in year, but so far in her career never had back to back great seasons. Can she do it again next year?

Cosmic Voices
Dec 28th, 2012, 01:33 PM
And I think the onus might be even more on MASHA. This year has been her most successful in year, but so far in her career never had back to back great seasons. Can she do it again next year?

I don't want to create tension or start a fight and I know the comment above wasn't anything confrontational, but in general bandabou - are you obsessed with Maria?

Sammo
Dec 28th, 2012, 01:42 PM
Like I would care :lol:

bandabou
Dec 28th, 2012, 01:45 PM
I don't want to create tension or start a fight and I know the comment above wasn't anything confrontational, but in general bandabou - are you obsessed with Maria?

Well, lots of Masha-fans wondering if Vika can back her 2012 up...I think it's only fair to wonder if MASHA can back HERS up. :shrug:

Cosmic Voices
Dec 28th, 2012, 01:48 PM
Well, lots of Masha-fans wondering if Vika can back her 2012 up...I think it's only fair to wonder if MASHA can back HERS up. :shrug:

true, i suppose we all like to analyse other players :lol:

Jajaloo
Dec 28th, 2012, 01:54 PM
She may lose her #1 ranking as she has a lot of points to defend, but i think her level of play will be consistent enough for her to finish the year in the top 3.

tejmeglekvár
Dec 28th, 2012, 01:56 PM
Well, lots of Masha-fans wondering if Vika can back her 2012 up...I think it's only fair to wonder if MASHA can back HERS up. :shrug:

dodging questions as usual.

bandabou
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:05 PM
dodging questions as usual.

How so? I answered the question..you're not happy with me answer?

JarkaFish
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:12 PM
Like I would care :lol:

Yeah, why would you? I mean, even in a flop season she'd still own your little Sammy Sam.

:lol:

tejmeglekvár
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:14 PM
How so? I answered the question..you're not happy with me answer?

No, because you are too dumb.

Jimmie48
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:15 PM
No, because you are too dumb.

Says the guy who constantly operates using lame/tired/insulting one-liners. Seriously, why do you even bother if you have nothing to say?

bandabou
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:16 PM
true, i suppose we all like to analyse other players :lol:

;)

bandabou
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:17 PM
No, because you are too dumb.

Am I?! :lol: Now that isn't very nice of you, is it?! Mommy didn't teach you manners?! :lol:
So what exactly was 'dumb' about my question?

tejmeglekvár
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:20 PM
Says the guy who constantly operates using lame/tired/insulting one-liners. Seriously, why do you even bother if you have nothing to say?

how can you talk with your mouth full of Mr Foo's ass?

Jimmie48
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:20 PM
how can you talk with your mouth full of Mr Foo's ass?

Thanks for proving my point.

debby
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:22 PM
Yeah, why would you? I mean, even in a flop season she'd still own your little Sammy Sam.

:lol:

Even Errani does. :lol:

debby
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:22 PM
how can you talk with your mouth full of Mr Foo's ass?

How dare you ! He is a genius.

Seriously, who are you? :lol: my dear friend Papa action ?

Jimmie48
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:24 PM
How dare you ! He is a genius.



Well, I don't know if I would go as far as calling Redfoo a genius.... :oh: :lol:

tejmeglekvár
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:26 PM
Am I?! :lol: Now that isn't very nice of you, is it?! Mommy didn't teach you manners?! :lol:
So what exactly was 'dumb' about my question?

bandaboo enters random thread
bandaboo starts mashamashamashamashamasha gibberish
someone asks why he is doing that
bandaboo continues mashamashamashamashamasha

[repeat every day]
...

debby
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:27 PM
Well, I don't know if I would go as far as calling Redfoo a genius.... :oh: :lol:

Oh let's be real, he is a visionist. LMFAO will be the reference in music in 50 years. :oh: :lol:

Jimmie48
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:28 PM
Well given how music is going downhill in general I can see how they might be looked back upon as "not as bad" :lol:

tejmeglekvár
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:30 PM
Thanks for proving my point.

Must be a fantastic moral highground having you there.

debby
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:31 PM
Well given how music is going downhill in general I can see how they might be looked back upon as "not as bad" :lol:

Ikr. In 50years, hipsters will own iPhones 5 and galaxy S3 and will listen to Justin Bieber, Gangnam Style etc and will be disappointed to be born in the wrong year :lol:

Anyway I am quite positive that in years Vika will be remembered as a multislam winner, maybe even as a tennis legend. :oh:

Jimmie48
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:33 PM
Anyway I am quite positive that in years Vika will be remembered as a multislam winner, maybe even as a tennis legend. :oh:

:hug:

If Redfoo is the price that needs to be paid for that then I'm happy to have him around :D

bandabou
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:38 PM
bandaboo enters random thread
bandaboo starts mashamashamashamashamasha gibberish
someone asks why he is doing that
bandaboo continues mashamashamashamashamasha

[repeat every day]
...


Why is it gibberish? Saying that Azarenka is gonna flop next season ISN'T gibberish? But as soon as I question the MASHA-fans what they expect from Masha next year..it's gibberish?

I asked an open question..the thread opened about Azarenka WASN'T, it was already an attack on Azarenka.

debby
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:39 PM
Yeah, why would you? I mean, even in a flop season she'd still own your little Sammy Sam.

:lol:

Even Errani does. :lol:

Vincey!
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:39 PM
Has Smitten even commented back in his own thread? lol

borrowedheaven
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:46 PM
Just like it was obvious to you that she never would achieve anything. Wait, how did that turn out?

tejmeglekvár
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:51 PM
Why is it gibberish? Saying that Azarenka is gonna flop next season ISN'T gibberish? But as soon as I question the MASHA-fans what they expect from Masha next year..it's gibberish?

I asked an open question..the thread opened about Azarenka WASN'T, it was already an attack on Azarenka.

Masha has nothing to do with this thread. GO HOME!

bandabou
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:59 PM
Masha has nothing to do with this thread. GO HOME!

Yeah...but it saves us the trouble of opening up another thread. If you don't want to comment on the question, then you just skip it..:lol:

legalise#
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:04 PM
With Vika's metronomic crosscourt intense but high percentage game she aint leaving the top 3/5 for a long time. Think Lena D but with the balls to win.

This this this. Having said that, it will be interesting to see how well she defends the AO, but she's been coping well with the #1 ranking, unlike some of her predecessors. It's only been good signs so far.

ZeroSumGame
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:05 PM
She's too good of a consistent player to flop, she however needs to;
1) Stay fit, healthy & motivated
2) Continue improving her game coz every1 will improving
3) Stay away from new boo REDFOO (bad omen):lol::lol:

The Dawntreader
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:07 PM
She needs a serve badly, if she thinks she's going to continue her Slam count. But I don't see her 'flopping'.

tejmeglekvár
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:08 PM
Yeah...but it saves us the trouble of opening up another thread. If you don't want to comment on the question, then you just skip it..:lol:

...and then next day you keep polluting another random thread with your mashamashamashamashamasha gibberish just to "save trouble opening new thread". :lol:

bandabou
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:13 PM
...and then next day you keep polluting another random thread with your mashamashamashamashamasha gibberish just to "save trouble opening new thread". :lol:

Never bring up Masha without a reason. Everytime I do, it's because it was warranted. :wavey:
You should pay better attention the next time. ;)

tejmeglekvár
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:20 PM
Never bring up Masha without a reason. Everytime I do, it's because it was warranted. :wavey:
You should pay better attention the next time. ;)

spare the poor people with the excuses.

AcesHigh
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:25 PM
She needs a serve badly, if she thinks she's going to continue her Slam count. But I don't see her 'flopping'.

Why? As long as she avoids Serena, who is going to stop her? Radwanska? Sharapova? :lol:

You can succeed in today's game with huge holes in your game.

Vincey!
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:28 PM
Never bring up Masha without a reason. Everytime I do, it's because it was warranted. :wavey:
You should pay better attention the next time. ;)
Oh and what's the matter to bring Maria in a "useless" thread about VICTORIA AZARENKA's chance to back up her great 2012 results? I'm failing to understand how Sharapova can affect in away the level of play of Azarenka. Unless you admit that Maria would be playing in Vika's mind? Which even the most die hard Masha fan wouldn't even think about. It's one thing to say that Vika's next year result depends on how good Serena and Maria plays but it's another to openly question another player ability to back up their results as well in that same thread. You wanna discuss about Maria's chance to back up her result? Open a new thread and talk about that there and I'll be pleased to see that thread getting close in less than a day. Stop being so obsessed with her.

HRHoliviasmith
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:29 PM
Just like it was obvious to you that she never would achieve anything. Wait, how did that turn out?

:yeah:

The Dawntreader
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:35 PM
Why? As long as she avoids Serena, who is going to stop her? Radwanska? Sharapova? :lol:

You can succeed in today's game with huge holes in your game.

I can't see her 'avoiding' Serena to win a Slam. Even if Serena fell early at the French again, she's hardly the presumptive favourite there. Yes, even Sharapova can beat her there.

Well you can't succeed with 'huge holes', especially when it comes to consistently winning Slams. I mean look at Wozniacki.

Vincey!
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:39 PM
I can't see her 'avoiding' Serena to win a Slam. Even if Serena fell early at the French again, she's hardly the presumptive favourite there. Yes, even Sharapova can beat her there.

Well you can't succeed with 'huge holes', especially when it comes to consistently winning Slams. I mean look at Wozniacki.

As I don't see her being a dominant player and beat the likes of Sharapova and Serena every week with that serve. I don't think she's gonna be punished that much, she's still going to be consistent enough to pull through and win some of the key matches. Her serve is certainly her weak point, but I don't think it's a reliability.

HRHoliviasmith
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:45 PM
Oh let's be real, he is a visionist. LMFAO will be the reference in music in 50 years. :oh: :lol:

:sobbing:

HRHoliviasmith
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:47 PM
She needs a serve badly, if she thinks she's going to continue her Slam count. But I don't see her 'flopping'.

why isn't this being adressed? this should be her priority rather than galavanting around the globe with a circus clown.

The Dawntreader
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:50 PM
As I don't see her being a dominant player and beat the likes of Sharapova and Serena every week with that serve. I don't think she's gonna be punished that much, she's still going to be consistent enough to pull through and win some of the key matches. Her serve is certainly her weak point, but I don't think it's a reliability.

It's not just her serve either. She needs to start taking her forehand earlier, mix up the direction of the ball on her BH, improve her mobility etc, etc. There's a great deal of work that needs to be done.

Smitten
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:50 PM
TF logic: form exists in a vacuum. If a player plays well for a stretch of time, they'll always play well. If a player has a bad year, they'll never return to form.

To them, Azarenka will continue her high level until the day she retires and no one else can challenge her. There are numerous players with bigger games than her who did not play up to their level of tennis in 2012.

Azarenka doesn't have a big enough game to establish any staying power. It takes her too long to win points and she doesn't dictate often enough to ever be a dominant champion.

The overwhelming majority of the reason Azarenka is in the position she is in is because her start to the year of 2012. Serena was flopping/injured, Kvitova was flopping, Clijsters was injured/flopping/semi-retired, etc. She doesn't get a medal for beating Sharapova, Radwanska, and a choking Barthel in every event.

She didn't win fuck all until 5 months after IW despite posting consistent results (which she is able to do thanks to her generic baseline game and general low UE count).

tl;dr: The girl is still local.

Angelus87
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:51 PM
I m not sure about this flop from Vika. Her style for me look most balanced of all players in tour. A lot depend of start of season because of those points to defend.

AcesHigh
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:52 PM
I can't see her 'avoiding' Serena to win a Slam. Even if Serena fell early at the French again, she's hardly the presumptive favourite there. Yes, even Sharapova can beat her there.

Well you can't succeed with 'huge holes', especially when it comes to consistently winning Slams. I mean look at Wozniacki.

Serena is unpredictable. She can win the calendar slam next year or decide she's not as interested and take home only one slam.

As long as Serena isn't in the mix, Azarenka has a huge advantage over everyone else including Sharapova who she embarassed a few times this year.
Although I expect Serena to win 3 slams in 2013 so this is all moot anyway.

Smitten
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:56 PM
Serena is unpredictable. She can win the calendar slam next year or decide she's not as interested and take home only one slam.

As long as Serena isn't in the mix, Azarenka has a huge advantage over everyone else including Sharapova who she embarassed a few times this year.
Although I expect Serena to win 3 slams in 2013 so this is all moot anyway.

Azarenka has a huge advantage over everyone else only because of recent form.

WWW Peak Kvitova or Peak Azarenka?
WWW Peak Sharapova or Peak Azarenka?
WWW Peak Serena or Peak Azarenka?
WWW Peak Na or Peak Azarenka?
WWW Peak La Borz or Peak Azarenka?

Of course, assuming all things stay the same, which NEVER happens in tennis :lol:, Azarenka will be successful.

Azarenka won't win a slam in 2013. Book it. Quote it. Save it. Screenshot it.

Vincey!
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:02 PM
TF logic: form exists in a vacuum. If a player plays well for a stretch of time, they'll always play well. If a player has a bad year, they'll never return to form.

To them, Azarenka will continue her high level until the day she retires and no one else can challenge her. There are numerous players with bigger games than her who did not play up to their level of tennis in 2012.

Azarenka doesn't have a big enough game to establish any staying power. It takes her too long to win points and she doesn't dictate often enough to ever be a dominant champion.

The overwhelming majority of the reason Azarenka is in the position she is in is because her start to the year of 2012. Serena was flopping/injured, Kvitova was flopping, Clijsters was injured/flopping/semi-retired, etc. She doesn't get a medal for beating Sharapova, Radwanska, and a choking Barthel in every event.

She didn't win fuck all until 5 months after IW despite posting consistent results (which she is able to do thanks to her generic baseline game and general low UE count).

tl;dr: The girl is still local.
As I agree with everything you said. It only depends what a flops for her would be. I mean if you consider that being her not winning a GS, then yes, there are big chances tht it will be a flop. On the other hand, I would consider a flop for her only if she can't stay in the top 5, which I don't see happening. She's a safe bet for the top 5 for many years to come unless she is injured.

AcesHigh
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:22 PM
Azarenka has a huge advantage over everyone else only because of recent form.

WWW Peak Kvitova or Peak Azarenka?
WWW Peak Sharapova or Peak Azarenka?
WWW Peak Serena or Peak Azarenka?
WWW Peak Na or Peak Azarenka?
WWW Peak La Borz or Peak Azarenka?

Of course, assuming all things stay the same, which NEVER happens in tennis :lol:, Azarenka will be successful.

Azarenka won't win a slam in 2013. Book it. Quote it. Save it. Screenshot it.

Those players aside from Serena are not going to reach anything near their peak in 2013. Unless you have a time machine, Azarenka will be fine.

bandabou
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:23 PM
Oh and what's the matter to bring Maria in a "useless" thread about VICTORIA AZARENKA's chance to back up her great 2012 results? I'm failing to understand how Sharapova can affect in away the level of play of Azarenka. Unless you admit that Maria would be playing in Vika's mind? Which even the most die hard Masha fan wouldn't even think about. It's one thing to say that Vika's next year result depends on how good Serena and Maria plays but it's another to openly question another player ability to back up their results as well in that same thread. You wanna discuss about Maria's chance to back up her result? Open a new thread and talk about that there and I'll be pleased to see that thread getting close in less than a day. Stop being so obsessed with her.

And why is asking if Masha can back up her 2012 season any worse than saying Vika is gonna flop in 2013? Masha has the same question marks as Vika. They BOTH are dependant on what Serena decides to do next year, soo...:shrug:

But.:lol: let the games play out and we'll see how it goes.

Vincey!
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:25 PM
And why is asking if Masha can back up her 2012 season any worse than saying Vika is gonna flop in 2013? Masha has the same question marks as Vika. They BOTH are dependant on what Serena decides to do next year, soo...:shrug:

But.:lol: let the games play out and we'll see how it goes.

Oh I'm not saying one is worse than the other, but bringing that up in a thread about Azarenka is useless and just another proof that you're obsessed with insinuating things about Sharapova. As I said if you wanna discuss Sharapova's 2013 season, open a thread about it don't pollute other threads.

Temperenka
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:29 PM
Her tennis will speak for itself. Speculating that she will "flop" this season is off-base and pointless due to the fact that you have little substance to back up that prediction.

I won't be the fool that says "Her year will be as good as 2012, if not better!" But I also certainly won't be the fool to predict that she falls out of the top tier of the game. Seems more like wishful thinking on your part than anything.

Let the season begin.

Upgraded
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:31 PM
AO 2012 got u mad, just admit that it's what you wish.

Smitten
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:32 PM
Those players aside from Serena are not going to reach anything near their peak in 2013. Unless you have a time machine, Azarenka will be fine.

K. Those players won't ever play well again and Azarenka is the new GOAT.

hurricanejeanne
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:35 PM
Someone's still pressed about Vika being number one/having a slam.

Anything can happen in the next 12 months for Vika, as well as for the other players like Serena and Pova. Who would have though Pova would win the 08 Australian in dominate fashion only to blow out her shoulder two months later? If Vika stays healthy and driven she's likely to improve or, at least, stay at her current level which means she beats everyone on hardcourts/grass except Serena and a ridiculously inform Pova. Clay is a crapshoot.

I don't expect her to defend in Melbourne even though it's her best major simply because she's shit at defending titles. But to count her out of the other three is simply retarded.

tennisbum79
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:38 PM
TF logic: form exists in a vacuum. If a player plays well for a stretch of time, they'll always play well. If a player has a bad year, they'll never return to form.

To them, Azarenka will continue her high level until the day she retires and no one else can challenge her. There are numerous players with bigger games than her who did not play up to their level of tennis in 2012.

Azarenka doesn't have a big enough game to establish any staying power. It takes her too long to win points and she doesn't dictate often enough to ever be a dominant champion.

The overwhelming majority of the reason Azarenka is in the position she is in is because her start to the year of 2012. Serena was flopping/injured, Kvitova was flopping, Clijsters was injured/flopping/semi-retired, etc. She doesn't get a medal for beating Sharapova, Radwanska, and a choking Barthel in every event.

She didn't win fuck all until 5 months after IW despite posting consistent results (which she is able to do thanks to her generic baseline game and general low UE count).

tl;dr: The girl is still local.
Smitten, if I were you, I would just admit Imade a mistake in the way I set this up.

Look at this as a debate in a room with debaters and an audience to convince.
You put forth the motion to be debated and you open the debate by making your agruments to support the motion/proposition.

The debaters both pro & cons and the audience need to know your supporting arguments to get things started.

It is not too late to update the opening post to get things back on track.
The waters have already been muddied, to continue to post coment like the above will only excerbate the situation.

NashaMasha
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:51 PM
if not winning a Slam and losing her #1 position in 2013 is considered to be a flop for Azarenka, than she will probably flop in 2013...

At the same time i don't see her dropping out of top 3

Dominic
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:03 PM
Why would she flop? Ok she might not recreate 2012 but I still think she's gonna end up top 3.

Break My Rapture
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:06 PM
Someone's still pressed about Vika being number one/having a slam.

Anything can happen in the next 12 months for Vika, as well as for the other players like Serena and Pova. Who would have though Pova would win the 08 Australian in dominate fashion only to blow out her shoulder two months later? If Vika stays healthy and driven she's likely to improve or, at least, stay at her current level which means she beats everyone on hardcourts/grass except Serena and a ridiculously inform Pova. Clay is a crapshoot.

I don't expect her to defend in Melbourne even though it's her best major simply because she's shit at defending titles. But to count her out of the other three is simply retarded.
This is very important to note. Vika has never defended a title, never actually came close to defending her titles. The fact that she has the defence of a slam title coming up will add pressure to Vika no doubt, and I don't mean the kind of pressure because she's #1 because she clearly doesn't mind that, it's the fact that she has never defended a title in her career, not even the smaller ones she's won, let alone a grand slam. Though worth noting is that Vika doesn't return oftenly to skipable tournaments she's won (Brisbane and Memphis in '09, Moscow in '10, Marbella and Lux in '11, Sydney '12). But she has really sucked at defending big tournaments so far in her career.

bandabou
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:06 PM
Oh I'm not saying one is worse than the other, but bringing that up in a thread about Azarenka is useless and just another proof that you're obsessed with insinuating things about Sharapova. As I said if you wanna discuss Sharapova's 2013 season, open a thread about it don't pollute other threads.

Not polluting..giving food for thought. It's all.

Trickle
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:12 PM
Like everyone has said, she managed to stay consistent in 2012, so there's something in the water that shows she has staying power. It will be a big surprise if she does actually flop.

Dominic
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:14 PM
Oh I'm not saying one is worse than the other, but bringing that up in a thread about Azarenka is useless and just another proof that you're obsessed with insinuating things about Sharapova. As I said if you wanna discuss Sharapova's 2013 season, open a thread about it don't pollute other threads.

OMG this

Beat
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:23 PM
there already is a "fall cometh" thread about azarenka - in which smitten also posted, so i don't see why s/he felt obliged to create another one.

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=471747&highlight=fall+cometh

The Dawntreader
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:25 PM
TF logic: form exists in a vacuum. If a player plays well for a stretch of time, they'll always play well. If a player has a bad year, they'll never return to form.

To them, Azarenka will continue her high level until the day she retires and no one else can challenge her. There are numerous players with bigger games than her who did not play up to their level of tennis in 2012.

Azarenka doesn't have a big enough game to establish any staying power. It takes her too long to win points and she doesn't dictate often enough to ever be a dominant champion.

The overwhelming majority of the reason Azarenka is in the position she is in is because her start to the year of 2012. Serena was flopping/injured, Kvitova was flopping, Clijsters was injured/flopping/semi-retired, etc. She doesn't get a medal for beating Sharapova, Radwanska, and a choking Barthel in every event.

She didn't win fuck all until 5 months after IW despite posting consistent results (which she is able to do thanks to her generic baseline game and general low UE count).

tl;dr: The girl is still local.


He has a point. As crudely put as it is.

I'm always surprised that people rate Azarenka on the strength of her mauling Sharapova every so often. Sharapova is barely even a vague shadow of the player she was 6 years ago. She herself has been blessed with this chasm of opportunity that was created after Henin left the game in '08. Further proof of her decline is the fact that it took her so long (even after recovery from shoulder surgery) to take advantage. Then we have players like Radwanska, Kerber, Errani Well, enough said. This is hardly a mountain of elite opposition that Azarenka has had to overcome.

Azarenka's game is generic as it gets. She plays at a steady, accumulative pace with decent margins, but lacks any sort of immediate weaponry. We even saw Cibulkova of all people, able to hit through Azarenka at will this year, because the rallying ball just doesn't do enough. The depth is solid without really biting the lines, the width isn't extreme enough and she doesn't take the ball early enough or has sufficient enough leverage to finish the points as early as possible.

The keys to her AO was maximising her game to the absolute maximum of her capabilities. The serve had enough good, raw-ish pace and decent placement, she took her forehand earlier, and she was playing at a standard above her normal underpowered, grinding game. The point is however, that she hasn't shown anything close to this level since, suggesting it took an incredible amount of conditioning, intensity and conviction to play that kind of tennis that is otherwise unsustainable for her to play week in week out. It's a contrived style of play that has had no long-term effect compared to those two weeks in Australia. That is the kind of tennis she'd have to play at every Slam next year to truly contend for Slams, and even that wouldn't probably be enough if Serena plays anywhere close to a high level.

Azarenka's Slam-winning days will probably be on hiatus for a while.

madmax
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:37 PM
Azarenka hate is quite hilarious on this board...
the fact of the matter is that she plays a very modern style of tennis, which has a staying power at the top of the rankings at least. She's simply a female Djokovic minus speed and athleticism part. In other words to beat her on any type of slow hardcurt will take an exceptional performance IF she maintains her last years form next month of course. I'm no fan of hers, but this board like always promotes it's faves and bashes the others according to their own predetermined qualities. Give it a rest already

MrProdigy555
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:49 PM
I understand.

Just because someone has a good/great season doesn't mean that the next season, and season after will follow the trend. This goes for every player (including Serena), just look at most players: Justine, Kvitova, Woz, Ivanovic, Pierce :tape:, etc...it happens.

*though I still think Aza will be fine. Anything can happen.

NashaMasha
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:52 PM
Like everyone has said, she managed to stay consistent in 2012, so there's something in the water that shows she has staying power. It will be a big surprise if she does actually flop.


ok she flopped at YEC already .... if she is not winning AO or at least reaching Final her flop season will start , she will probably revive not before US series

Jimmie48
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:54 PM
Azarenka hate is quite hilarious on this board...
the fact of the matter is that she plays a very modern style of tennis, which has a staying power at the top of the rankings at least. She's simply a female Djokovic minus speed and athleticism part. In other words to beat her on any type of slow hardcurt will take an exceptional performance IF she maintains her last years form next month of course. I'm no fan of hers, but this board like always promotes it's faves and bashes the others according to their own predetermined qualities. Give it a rest already

Why are you making so much sense lately?

dsanders06
Dec 28th, 2012, 06:17 PM
I expect she'll have a very similar season to 2012, with the sole exception that she won't win a Slam final.

MashaAzarenka
Dec 28th, 2012, 06:24 PM
A flop for her would be falling out of the top 5. That's not gonna happen, therefore her season will not be a flop. She'll be fine :)

HRHoliviasmith
Dec 28th, 2012, 06:24 PM
I expect she'll have a very similar season to 2012, with the sole exception that she won't win a Slam final.

who are you predicting to take the slams next year? your girl and whom else? or do you have her winning all 4?

The Dawntreader
Dec 28th, 2012, 06:25 PM
Azarenka hate is quite hilarious on this board...
the fact of the matter is that she plays a very modern style of tennis, which has a staying power at the top of the rankings at least. She's simply a female Djokovic minus speed and athleticism part. In other words to beat her on any type of slow hardcurt will take an exceptional performance IF she maintains her last years form next month of course. I'm no fan of hers, but this board like always promotes it's faves and bashes the others according to their own predetermined qualities. Give it a rest already

Well that's two pretty huge shortcomings you've just described. It's telling to say the least.

madmax
Dec 28th, 2012, 06:30 PM
Why are you making so much sense lately?

why, because I don't bash other players just because I'm not a fan of them?:lol:
Don't get me wrong, I will never support Vuvurenka, but I'm gonna leave all the hating and senseless bashing to those who urgently need to do so (I hope one day you'll appreciate Pova's tennis too:cool:)

MashaAzarenka
Dec 28th, 2012, 06:30 PM
how can live anyone with such username. :tape:

Haha I know, Maria fans hate Vika and Vika fans hate Maria. I'm a big fan of both though. Love the rivalry they have it's great for the game :)

dsanders06
Dec 28th, 2012, 06:31 PM
He has a point. As crudely put as it is.

I'm always surprised that people rate Azarenka on the strength of her mauling Sharapova every so often. Sharapova is barely even a vague shadow of the player she was 6 years ago. She herself has been blessed with this chasm of opportunity that was created after Henin left the game in '08. Further proof of her decline is the fact that it took her so long (even after recovery from shoulder surgery) to take advantage. Then we have players like Radwanska, Kerber, Errani Well, enough said. This is hardly a mountain of elite opposition that Azarenka has had to overcome.

Azarenka's game is generic as it gets. She plays at a steady, accumulative pace with decent margins, but lacks any sort of immediate weaponry. We even saw Cibulkova of all people, able to hit through Azarenka at will this year, because the rallying ball just doesn't do enough. The depth is solid without really biting the lines, the width isn't extreme enough and she doesn't take the ball early enough or has sufficient enough leverage to finish the points as early as possible.

The keys to her AO was maximising her game to the absolute maximum of her capabilities. The serve had enough good, raw-ish pace and decent placement, she took her forehand earlier, and she was playing at a standard above her normal underpowered, grinding game. The point is however, that she hasn't shown anything close to this level since, suggesting it took an incredible amount of conditioning, intensity and conviction to play that kind of tennis that is otherwise unsustainable for her to play week in week out. It's a contrived style of play that has had no long-term effect compared to those two weeks in Australia. That is the kind of tennis she'd have to play at every Slam next year to truly contend for Slams, and even that wouldn't probably be enough if Serena plays anywhere close to a high level.

Azarenka's Slam-winning days will probably be on hiatus for a while.

No offence, but you do seem to be a bit stuck in a timewarp when it comes to analysing Azarenka's game. Like you often say things like Azarenka's forehand is glitchy or can't redirect pace and makes it a lot of errors -- this may have been true in 2009, but these days, it's pretty obvious that her FH is watertight and solid as a rock and gives very few points away for free.

Also, you seem to base most of your argument on that one loss Azarenka had to Cibulkova, when that was pretty much the one tournament this entire year that Azarenka played badly in. And I also don't know where you get the idea that Aza hasn't "come close" to her AO form from -- imo she exceeded that form from the US Open through to Linz.

I mean, I agree with the consensus that, very good though Azarenka is, there are 3 players who potentially have the ability to beat her regularly (Serena, Sharapova, Kvitova). But other than that, while there might be a few players lower down who have more raw firepower than Aza and might get the occasional win over her (such as Cibulkova, Safarova, Ivanovic, hell maybe even Venus ;) ), they simply won't be able to execute consistently enough against a player who gives you as little for free as Aza does more than approximately 1 in 5 times, at best.

viktory
Dec 28th, 2012, 06:56 PM
Haha I know, Maria fans hate Vika and Vika fans hate Maria. I'm a big fan of both though. Love the rivalry they have it's great for the game :)

Nah,not all of them. I,for one,love them both. Masha since 2004,vika since 2005.

edificio
Dec 28th, 2012, 08:23 PM
What is there to discuss if this is so obvious? :rolleyes:

Gentleman
Dec 28th, 2012, 08:28 PM
I don't think anyone can say it's obvious. It is possible, but not obvious. It's yet to be seen.

Serena_Williams_
Dec 28th, 2012, 08:28 PM
She won't flop.She might not have another 2012,but she will still have a good season.

**mashafierce**
Dec 28th, 2012, 10:28 PM
It's quite obvious that Serena Maria and Vika are going to dominate the season.The only players capable to challenge them are Aga and Angie.The real question is if she has reached her peak

JarkaFish
Dec 28th, 2012, 10:29 PM
Nothing is obvious in women's tennis.

Jimmie48
Dec 28th, 2012, 10:31 PM
This is a case for the TF dictionary by the way:

obvious = in no shape or form likely or reasonable to be expected

Brad[le]y.
Dec 28th, 2012, 10:35 PM
10 pages of pure gold; congrats TF, you just gave Smitten exactly what he eaneted :lol:

sammy01
Dec 28th, 2012, 10:54 PM
No offence, but you do seem to be a bit stuck in a timewarp when it comes to analysing Azarenka's game. Like you often say things like Azarenka's forehand is glitchy or can't redirect pace and makes it a lot of errors -- this may have been true in 2009, but these days, it's pretty obvious that her FH is watertight and solid as a rock and gives very few points away for free.

Also, you seem to base most of your argument on that one loss Azarenka had to Cibulkova, when that was pretty much the one tournament this entire year that Azarenka played badly in. And I also don't know where you get the idea that Aza hasn't "come close" to her AO form from -- imo she exceeded that form from the US Open through to Linz.

I mean, I agree with the consensus that, very good though Azarenka is, there are 3 players who potentially have the ability to beat her regularly (Serena, Sharapova, Kvitova). But other than that, while there might be a few players lower down who have more raw firepower than Aza and might get the occasional win over her (such as Cibulkova, Safarova, Ivanovic, hell maybe even Venus ;) ), they simply won't be able to execute consistently enough against a player who gives you as little for free as Aza does more than approximately 1 in 5 times, at best.

Vika's improvements have been minimal but with women's tennis so weak outside of Serena those minimal improvements have made Vika go from your average top 10 player to the player outside of Serena to beat.

Vika moves better now than she did before and is stronger, it isn't much different to before but she gets a racket on more balls on the run for sure.

She has also added a average but useful slice backhand. It doesn't win her points outright and change up a match like say Henin's could, but it just means 2 or 3 points a match these days she keeps herself in rallies she would other wise have lost.

She plays drop shots as a 'kill' shot more than a lot of top players. Vika this year hit a heck of a lot more drop shot winners. Having not huge fire power some of those short balls this year she has simply bunted over the net for easy points.

The serve will forever be average for me, but there seems to be so few aggressive returners outside of Serena and Maria these days that Vika starts a rally on an even kilt than behind in the point like she should do. Domi was a great example of putting Vika on the backfoot straight from the return this year and not letting the crosscourt Vika groove set in.

What irks me is Vika will most likely get herself 3 or 4 slams throughout her career and could have had 3 this year had Serena not been around. When I think about Vika compare to other 3 or 4 slam winners it makes me :sad:. Nothing Vika does now is better than capriati at her street fighter best or Kim at her athletic peak, heck apart from movement she has absolutely nothing on Davenport, yet this is the company I feel she will be keeping career wise when all is said and done.

The Dawntreader
Dec 28th, 2012, 11:32 PM
Azarenka's forehand DTL has improved, especially on the run, but there's still no killer impact on that shot. She can't hit consistently outright winners with it during a rally, unless she's gradually wearing her opponent down in those laborious CC rallies like sammy pointed out, and she can't consistently generate and deflect pace off that wing without dropping her length. In her Wimbledon SF vs Serena, anytime she got met with pace and depth, she had to resort to her usual scooping the ball back, without being able to hit through it with any kind of racquet head speed. She just isn't the fluid, natural ball-striker everyone assumes her to be on the forehand. It lacks any kind of innate weight and body-weight transference to consistently do damage.

Her backhand return is her real strength, able to neutralise even the hugest, well-placed of serves, and allow her to start the point in the ascendancy with her court positioning, and thus her gruelling grinding can begin. And I never get this reasoning that she can change the direction of the ball at will, and certainly not with any great impact. Her footwork in particular doesn't allow this. Azarenka has actually excellent anticipation, getting behind the ball well, but her footwork and general mobility are poor. That makes it extremely difficult to change the angles of the ball. Davenport was far inferior to Azarenka in terms of footspeed, but she had supple hands, and superb footwork around the ball that gave her easy, rhythmic timing. Azarenka just doesn't have that.

Azarenka really needs to find some kind of immediate weaponry, a serve especially. There's no glossing over the fact that at times she can look ridiculously underpowered. No coincidence.

miffedmax
Dec 29th, 2012, 12:39 AM
Haha I know, Maria fans hate Vika and Vika fans hate Maria. I'm a big fan of both though. Love the rivalry they have it's great for the game :)

Me, too.

StoneRose
Dec 29th, 2012, 12:44 AM
Haha I know, Maria fans hate Vika and Vika fans hate Maria. I'm a big fan of both though. Love the rivalry they have it's great for the game :)+1, i obviously like Vika more though.

Charlatan
Dec 29th, 2012, 01:23 AM
Azarenka won't win a slam in 2013. Book it. Quote it. Save it. Screenshot it.

You are too much :hysteric:

Masha has nothing to do with this thread. GO HOME!

Typical. Not surprised

oh yeah i guess
Dec 29th, 2012, 02:21 AM
y.;22641014']10 pages of pure gold; congrats TF, you just gave Smitten exactly what he eaneted :lol:

We've created a monster. :sobbing:

Lotuspova
Dec 29th, 2012, 02:56 PM
No way. She isnt leaving the top 3 all year

tejmeglekvár
Dec 29th, 2012, 03:08 PM
y.;22641014']10 pages of pure gold; congrats TF, you just gave Smitten exactly what he eaneted :lol:

He is a reasonable poster at least.

Jimmie48
Dec 29th, 2012, 03:12 PM
He is a reasonable poster at least.

Trolls labeling each other as "reasonable"...classic. :help:

madmax
Dec 29th, 2012, 03:31 PM
He is a reasonable poster at least.

LOL..
unless you mean in an "amusing way":lol:

coolfish1103
Dec 29th, 2012, 04:15 PM
Trolls labeling each other as "reasonable"...classic. :help:

What's more classic is hypocrites calling trolls.

dsanders06
Dec 29th, 2012, 04:27 PM
What's more classic is hypocrites calling trolls.

:oh:

Jimmie48
Dec 29th, 2012, 04:48 PM
What's more classic is hypocrites calling trolls.

How little life can you actually have to be that obsessed with me? Poor soul :)

Steven.
Dec 29th, 2012, 05:21 PM
TF logic: form exists in a vacuum. If a player plays well for a stretch of time, they'll always play well. If a player has a bad year, they'll never return to form.

To them, Azarenka will continue her high level until the day she retires and no one else can challenge her. There are numerous players with bigger games than her who did not play up to their level of tennis in 2012.

Azarenka doesn't have a big enough game to establish any staying power. It takes her too long to win points and she doesn't dictate often enough to ever be a dominant champion.

The overwhelming majority of the reason Azarenka is in the position she is in is because her start to the year of 2012. Serena was flopping/injured, Kvitova was flopping, Clijsters was injured/flopping/semi-retired, etc. She doesn't get a medal for beating Sharapova, Radwanska, and a choking Barthel in every event.

She didn't win fuck all until 5 months after IW despite posting consistent results (which she is able to do thanks to her generic baseline game and general low UE count).

tl;dr: The girl is still local.

Vika's improvements have been minimal but with women's tennis so weak outside of Serena those minimal improvements have made Vika go from your average top 10 player to the player outside of Serena to beat.

Vika moves better now than she did before and is stronger, it isn't much different to before but she gets a racket on more balls on the run for sure.

She has also added a average but useful slice backhand. It doesn't win her points outright and change up a match like say Henin's could, but it just means 2 or 3 points a match these days she keeps herself in rallies she would other wise have lost.

She plays drop shots as a 'kill' shot more than a lot of top players. Vika this year hit a heck of a lot more drop shot winners. Having not huge fire power some of those short balls this year she has simply bunted over the net for easy points.

The serve will forever be average for me, but there seems to be so few aggressive returners outside of Serena and Maria these days that Vika starts a rally on an even kilt than behind in the point like she should do. Domi was a great example of putting Vika on the backfoot straight from the return this year and not letting the crosscourt Vika groove set in.

What irks me is Vika will most likely get herself 3 or 4 slams throughout her career and could have had 3 this year had Serena not been around. When I think about Vika compare to other 3 or 4 slam winners it makes me :sad:. Nothing Vika does now is better than capriati at her street fighter best or Kim at her athletic peak, heck apart from movement she has absolutely nothing on Davenport, yet this is the company I feel she will be keeping career wise when all is said and done.

these.

I'm still convinced that if Clijsters was healthy (she was clearly hampered by her ankle injury and was not moving well for her standards at all), Azarenka would still be slamless but the stars aligned that week for her.

Steven.
Dec 29th, 2012, 05:22 PM
TF logic: form exists in a vacuum. If a player plays well for a stretch of time, they'll always play well. If a player has a bad year, they'll never return to form.

To them, Azarenka will continue her high level until the day she retires and no one else can challenge her. There are numerous players with bigger games than her who did not play up to their level of tennis in 2012.

Azarenka doesn't have a big enough game to establish any staying power. It takes her too long to win points and she doesn't dictate often enough to ever be a dominant champion.

The overwhelming majority of the reason Azarenka is in the position she is in is because her start to the year of 2012. Serena was flopping/injured, Kvitova was flopping, Clijsters was injured/flopping/semi-retired, etc. She doesn't get a medal for beating Sharapova, Radwanska, and a choking Barthel in every event.

She didn't win fuck all until 5 months after IW despite posting consistent results (which she is able to do thanks to her generic baseline game and general low UE count).

tl;dr: The girl is still local.

Vika's improvements have been minimal but with women's tennis so weak outside of Serena those minimal improvements have made Vika go from your average top 10 player to the player outside of Serena to beat.

Vika moves better now than she did before and is stronger, it isn't much different to before but she gets a racket on more balls on the run for sure.

She has also added a average but useful slice backhand. It doesn't win her points outright and change up a match like say Henin's could, but it just means 2 or 3 points a match these days she keeps herself in rallies she would other wise have lost.

She plays drop shots as a 'kill' shot more than a lot of top players. Vika this year hit a heck of a lot more drop shot winners. Having not huge fire power some of those short balls this year she has simply bunted over the net for easy points.

The serve will forever be average for me, but there seems to be so few aggressive returners outside of Serena and Maria these days that Vika starts a rally on an even kilt than behind in the point like she should do. Domi was a great example of putting Vika on the backfoot straight from the return this year and not letting the crosscourt Vika groove set in.

What irks me is Vika will most likely get herself 3 or 4 slams throughout her career and could have had 3 this year had Serena not been around. When I think about Vika compare to other 3 or 4 slam winners it makes me :sad:. Nothing Vika does now is better than capriati at her street fighter best or Kim at her athletic peak, heck apart from movement she has absolutely nothing on Davenport, yet this is the company I feel she will be keeping career wise when all is said and done.

these, especially the bolded parts.

I'm still convinced that if Clijsters was healthy (she was clearly hampered by her ankle injury and was not moving well for her standards at all), Azarenka would still be slamless but the stars aligned that week for her.

Break My Rapture
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:50 PM
these.

I'm still convinced that if Clijsters was healthy (she was clearly hampered by her ankle injury and was not moving well for her standards at all), Azarenka would still be slamless but the stars aligned that week for her.
Kim was doing x-treme splits at will throughout their semi, hampered by her ankle my ass.

JarkaFish
Dec 29th, 2012, 07:07 PM
Yeah, Vika's slam win this year is such a sham, going through an injured Clijsters and error-fest Sharapova; she's lucky she didn't have to go through a real player like Errani.

:oh:

borrowedheaven
Dec 29th, 2012, 07:16 PM
Kim was doing x-treme splits at will throughout their semi, hampered by her ankle my ass.

I love Vika and I think she fully deserved her win (injuries are part of the game), but Kim was way slower after her ankle roll.

marineblue
Dec 29th, 2012, 07:35 PM
She is going to have tough few months during the start of the season. If she doesn´t go far in the first three-four events she has a lot to lose.

oneshot
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:25 PM
She won't leave the top 3 all year unless Radwanska takes vulturing to scavenging levels.

bandabou
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:32 PM
these, especially the bolded parts.

I'm still convinced that if Clijsters was healthy (she was clearly hampered by her ankle injury and was not moving well for her standards at all), Azarenka would still be slamless but the stars aligned that week for her.

How so? Masha, the GOAT of GOATS ( with her 3 majors at the time...yet she was already discussed like she was some Juju or Vee..:lol: ) was there in the final to stop her. What happened? :shrug:

In The Zone
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:34 PM
these, especially the bolded parts.

I'm still convinced that if Clijsters was healthy (she was clearly hampered by her ankle injury and was not moving well for her standards at all), Azarenka would still be slamless but the stars aligned that week for her.

Unfortunately, in the late 90s and early 2000s, there weren't any slams to be had. So many great players but only so many slams can be won. Now, anyone can win slams and now they will be compared. This is part of the reason why I still hold Davenport ahead of Maria.

Royals.
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:39 PM
How so? Masha, the GOAT of GOATS ( with her 3 majors at the time...yet she was already discussed like she was some Juju or Vee..:lol: ) was there in the final to stop her. What happened? :shrug:

True. :lol:

Royals.
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:44 PM
Unfortunately, in the late 90s and early 2000s, there weren't any slams to be had. So many great players but only so many slams can be won. Now, anyone can win slams and now they will be compared. This is part of the reason why I still hold Davenport ahead of Maria.

I agree, i'm not trying to shade or anything. But Davenport had a very tough era, she had to fight a lot to win her slams and she could have won more but due to the high level of play in the late 90s and early 2000s she was at disadvantage and her mental strength wasn't really there either.

Matt01
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:47 PM
It's dead obvious that Smitten's predictions are going to flop this season.


Yeah, Vika's slam win this year is such a sham, going through an injured Clijsters and error-fest Sharapova; she's lucky she didn't have to go through a real player like Errani.

:oh:


:lol:

Obviously posters like Sammy01 are still bitter that Vika ended Kim's last real hope of a Slam title so they want Vika to flop as much as possible when in reality her year will be fine while Kim is sitting at home, retired, probably thinking abour her next pathetic farewall tour. :tape:

sammy01
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:50 PM
Obviously posters like Sammy01 are still bitter that Vika ended Kim's last real hope of a Slam title so they want Vika to flop as much as possible when in reality her year will be fine while Kim is sitting at home, retired, probably thinking abour her next pathetic farewall tour. :tape:

:help: I said Vika would have a good year. Kim is happy, her husband doesn't have to throw himself out a window to get away from her unlike vika :wavey:

dsanders06
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:52 PM
Unfortunately, in the late 90s and early 2000s, there weren't any slams to be had. So many great players but only so many slams can be won. Now, anyone can win slams and now they will be compared. This is part of the reason why I still hold Davenport ahead of Maria.

And yet, when it comes to Serena, you don't factor in that she's won HALF her Slams in the same weak era that you claim Maria's benefitted from :happy: Just screams inferiority complex / serial hypocrisy.

bandabou
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:53 PM
:help: I said Vika would have a good year. Kim is happy, her husband doesn't have to throw himself out a window to get away from her unlike vika :wavey:

That's low, Sammy. Come on!

Steven.
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:53 PM
Kim was doing x-treme splits at will throughout their semi, hampered by her ankle my ass.

I love Vika and I think she fully deserved her win (injuries are part of the game), but Kim was way slower after her ankle roll.

what borrowedheaven said. Come on, you've watched enough tennis to know that Kim's movement was completely rubish and she wasn't getting to shots she would've normally gotten.

Yeah, Vika's slam win this year is such a sham, going through an injured Clijsters and error-fest Sharapova; she's lucky she didn't have to go through a real player like Errani.

:oh:

idk why people keep bringing Errani into this discussion. As much as I hate her, she was an outstanding player during the clay season and didn't fold during the entire FO tournament. She played like a top 10 player. People actually underrate the FO final because it had "only Errani" in it but she definitely made Maria work for the win (and they both came out with positive winners-ue ratio), unlike Maria in the AO final who gifted the match to Vika :shrug:

How so? Masha, the GOAT of GOATS ( with her 3 majors at the time...yet she was already discussed like she was some Juju or Vee..:lol: ) was there in the final to stop her. What happened? :shrug:

Mental collapse. Bad match up. No longer the player she was when she won those 3 slams (in much steeper competition too).

Unfortunately, in the late 90s and early 2000s, there weren't any slams to be had. So many great players but only so many slams can be won. Now, anyone can win slams and now they will be compared. This is part of the reason why I still hold Davenport ahead of Maria.

actually, unlike most Maria stans, I think there is very little separating Maria and Lindsay only because of the amount of tournaments Lindsay won. It's the one reason why I wish Maria would play more tier 2 and weaker tournaments (4 vs 3 slams, 10 vs 11 tier 1s, 1 vs 1 yecs).

Excelscior
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:53 PM
:help: I said Vika would have a good year. Kim is happy, her husband doesn't have to throw himself out a window to get away from her unlike vika :wavey:

:hysteric: :eek: :hysteric:

effedcamel
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:54 PM
I agree, i'm not trying to shade or anything. But Davenport had a very tough era, she had to fight a lot to win her slams and she could have won more but due to the high level of play in the late 90s and early 2000s she was at disadvantage and her mental strength wasn't really there either.

And yet when the conversation turns to Martina's greatness, people turn around and say she took advantage of a weak, transitional era?

NashaMasha
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:54 PM
How so? Masha, the GOAT of GOATS ( with her 3 majors at the time...yet she was already discussed like she was some Juju or Vee..:lol: ) was there in the final to stop her. What happened? :shrug:

Pova was after a long break from tennis due to her ankle injury . She actually should have lost in SF , but she decided after her Wimbledon loss never lose again to Petra

bandabou
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:55 PM
And yet, when it comes to Serena, you don't factor in that she's won HALF her Slams in the same weak era that you claim Maria's benefitted from :happy: Just screams inferiority complex / serial hypocrisy.

HALF of her slams...:spit: Okay, even if you discount those..still'd leave her with twice as many as Masha anyways, soo...:wavey:

sammy01
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:56 PM
That's low, Sammy. Come on!

Don't worry her new BF sideshow bob will bounce when he hits the floor thanks to his hair.

Chrissie-fan
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:56 PM
Unfortunately, in the late 90s and early 2000s, there weren't any slams to be had. So many great players but only so many slams can be won. Now, anyone can win slams and now they will be compared. This is part of the reason why I still hold Davenport ahead of Maria.
I think that by the time her career is over Maria will rank well ahead of Lindsay in terms of career achievements. But regardless of that, I think that Davenport is probably the most underrated player of the last fifteen years or so, not only based on her grand slam record but just her overall career.

bandabou
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:57 PM
Mental collapse. Bad match up. No longer the player she was when she won those 3 slams (in much steeper competition too).

So why belittling Vika, then? Masha's barely tier III level..what's with the fuss of acting like she's Graf or something?

bandabou
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:58 PM
Pova was after a long break from tennis due to her ankle injury . She actually should have lost in SF , but she decided after her Wimbledon loss never lose again to Petra

Sure, of course..:lol:

heavyhorse
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:12 PM
I think Maria or Serena have just as much, if not more of a chance of flopping this season than Vika.

Both have shown the capabality of higher peaks, but are undeniably past them. It's getting towards the end of their careers so it's always going to be touch and go every season. Vika has been super-consistent, I don't think her level will drop significantly, but it's a question of if she can keep/raise it if Maria/Serena can produce another good year.

Please just dont let Aga finish YE #1.

Maria is 25. She's the same age as Kirilenko. I guess a career grand slam makes you appear older...

Matt01
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:27 PM
:help: I said Vika would have a good year. Kim is happy, her husband doesn't have to throw himself out a window to get away from her unlike vika :wavey:


Vika and Sergei had alredy broken up before that happened ;)

sammy01
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:29 PM
Vika and Sergei had alredy broken up before that happened ;)

And Kim is happily retired, didn't stop you bullshitting

Matt01
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:34 PM
And Kim is happily retired, didn't stop you bullshitting


Wel, you started with the bullshitting about Vika...

MashaAzarenka
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:37 PM
Vika haters are jealous..

sammy01
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:40 PM
Wel, you started with the bullshitting about Vika...

I said Vika would have a good year due to the nature of her game and I don't see her as as good as clijsters/capriati/davenport due to the nature of her game, though I believe slam wise that is where she will end up.

if you wanna argue that go ahead. If you wanna take sly shots are Kim then do one.

NashaMasha
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:40 PM
Vika haters are jealous..

jealous of what? of her only one Slam? even Sam Stosur and Fransexa Schiavone are not jealous of it

Masha's barely tier III level

interesting to see your distribution of player to Tier1/Tier2/Tier3/Tier4

:) I'm sure it will be hilarious

Craig.
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:42 PM
So why belittling Vika, then? Masha's barely tier III level..what's with the fuss of acting like she's Graf or something?

Except that no one is fucking doing that, you pinhead. :facepalm:

bandabou
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:48 PM
Except that no one is fucking doing that, you pinhead. :facepalm:

They aren't?! You sure?

Craig.
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:50 PM
They aren't?! You sure?

Yes :)

Break My Rapture
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:51 PM
:help: I said Vika would have a good year. Kim is happy, her husband doesn't have to throw himself out a window to get away from her unlike vika :wavey:
:weirdo: What a ridiculously toolish comment.

bandabou
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:51 PM
interesting to see your distribution of player to Tier1/Tier2/Tier3/Tier4

:) I'm sure it will be hilarious

Tier I Court/Evert/Graf/Navratilova.

Tier II Serena, King..

tier III Henin/Goolagong/Vee/

tier IV Sharapova/Davenport/Hingis...

Cosmic Voices
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:51 PM
bandabou please dont tell me your stanning for vika now :tape:

bandabou
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:52 PM
Yes :)

:D

NashaMasha
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:53 PM
Tier I Court/Evert/Graf/Navratilova.

Tier II Serena, King..

tier III Henin/Goolagong/Vee/

tier IV Sharapova/Davenport/Hingis...

where is Azarenka? i hope you'll continue up to Tier XIV?

and Agnieszka? Tier XLVIII is compulsory

Matt01
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:54 PM
I said Vika would have a good year due to the nature of her game and I don't see her as as good as clijsters/capriati/davenport due to the nature of her game, though I believe slam wise that is where she will end up.

if you wanna argue that go ahead. If you wanna take sly shots are Kim then do one.


I don't see how Vika's "nature of the game" is any worse than Cappy's or Medusha's TBH. :shrug: Davenport's game was certainly something else but her relative slowness and mental weakness do cancel that out as well.

Break My Rapture
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:54 PM
where is Azarenka? i hope you'll continue up to Tier XIV?
Oh, were we still talking about Azarenka? :)

bandabou
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:55 PM
where is Azarenka? i hope you'll continue up to Tier XIV?

Never said that Azarenka's career is greater than Sharapova's. :shrug:

legalise#
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:58 PM
And yet, when it comes to Serena, you don't factor in that she's won HALF her Slams in the same weak era that you claim Maria's benefitted from :happy: Just screams inferiority complex / serial hypocrisy.

15 is an odd number :confused:

sammy01
Dec 29th, 2012, 09:59 PM
I don't see how Vika's "nature of the game" is any worse than Cappy's or Medusha's TBH. :shrug: Davenport's game was certainly something else but her relative slowness and mental weakness do cancel that out as well.

Capriati's and clijsters movement you could argue were some of the best we have seen in tennis. Clijsters backhand is one of the best, capriati was a fighter to rival henin and serena. Davenport had one of the best serves and cleanest groundies we have ever seen.

I don't see anything in Vika's game that even now sets her apart from others let alone up with some of the best of all time.

Matt01
Dec 29th, 2012, 10:05 PM
Capriati's and clijsters movement you could argue were some of the best we have seen in tennis. Clijsters backhand is one of the best, capriati was a fighter to rival henin and serena. Davenport had one of the best serves and cleanest groundies we have ever seen.

I don't see anything in Vika's game that even now sets her apart from others let alone up with some of the best of all time.


Vika's backhand and return surpass Cappy's by far for instance and I could elaborate more if you want but that is not the topic of this thread.

Charlatan
Dec 29th, 2012, 10:05 PM
How so? Masha, the GOAT of GOATS ( with her 3 majors at the time...yet she was already discussed like she was some Juju or Vee..:lol: ) was there in the final to stop her. What happened? :shrug:

Obsession

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So why belittling Vika, then? Masha's barely tier III level..what's with the fuss of acting like she's Graf or something?

Hallucination

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They aren't?! You sure?

Desperation

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Never said that Azarenka's career is greater than Sharapova's. :shrug:

Backpedaling

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All in all, obsessive compulsive disorder

iWill
Dec 29th, 2012, 10:14 PM
**Eats popcorn as I scroll through this sh*% show** :eek:

:happy:

debby
Dec 29th, 2012, 10:34 PM
I love you sickfalsetto. Happy new year. :smooch:

Matt01 :hearts: please never change. Btw do you think Maria might have a better 2013 year than Vika? I do.

bandabou
Dec 29th, 2012, 10:36 PM
Obsession





Hallucination





Desperation





Backpedaling



All in all, obsessive compulsive disorder

:wavey:

Charlatan
Dec 29th, 2012, 10:40 PM
I love you sickfalsetto. Happy new year. :smooch:

You too :hug:

:wavey:

You forgot to mention mashamasha, mashatards, yadayada :wavey:

sammy01
Dec 29th, 2012, 10:41 PM
Vika's backhand and return surpass Cappy's by far for instance and I could elaborate more if you want but that is not the topic of this thread.

You don't become Serena's toughest rival at her peak without being an amazing returner like capriati was. Capriati and clijsters were amazing at getting big servers returns back in court, they could get returns back in court Vika would never get a racket on.

Matt01
Dec 29th, 2012, 10:44 PM
Matt01 :hearts: please never change. Btw do you think Maria might have a better 2013 year than Vika? I do.


Possibly, yes. :sad: I do think that Vika will win most of their matches on HC, though.

Matt01
Dec 29th, 2012, 10:45 PM
You don't become Serena's toughest rival at her peak without being an amazing returner like capriati was. Capriati and clijsters were amazing at getting big servers returns back in court, they could get returns back in court Vika would never get a racket on.


Hmm...no.

bandabou
Dec 29th, 2012, 11:16 PM
You forgot to mention mashamasha, mashatards, yadayada :wavey:

You should put all Dominic's comments about Serena in your signature too. You're so busy following moi, instead of focusing on your own clan. :shrug:

caros defender
Dec 30th, 2012, 12:37 AM
Quit hatin. Worst case scenario Vika will remain top 5.

tejmeglekvár
Dec 30th, 2012, 12:56 AM
15 is an odd number :confused:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m89rmmAHUc1qdyyi3.gif

oh yeah i guess
Dec 30th, 2012, 01:48 AM
Thread has kicked up a notch, we were missing an in depth Serena vs. Sharapova discussion. :oh:

Smitten
Jan 4th, 2013, 09:19 AM
Flop #1.

oh yeah i guess
Jan 4th, 2013, 09:24 AM
You are really desperate. :lol:

Jimmie48
Jan 4th, 2013, 09:24 AM
Flop #1.

God you are a pathetic loser, I almost feel sorry for you.

hBence
Jan 4th, 2013, 09:30 AM
1st flop, next step: OZ

Brad[le]y.
Jan 4th, 2013, 09:36 AM
At people overreacting to a professional troll :haha:

Trih
Jan 4th, 2013, 09:40 AM
Flop #1.

10\10 :rolls: