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Matt-TennisFan24
Dec 27th, 2012, 12:51 AM
Ok, time for a new thread in the "Best of All-Time" polls.

Who do you think has the best backhand in history?

Chris Evert:
One of the best matches Chris played, these HLs show how she used her BH to set up the points
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Close-up of Evert's BH:
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Justine Henin:
Best of her BH (watch from 1:26, the points are mixed up with some of Federer's)
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Venus Williams:
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Martina Hingis:
(The best of Martina at her peak)
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Serena Williams & Victoria Azarenka:
A good chance to watch them both, they had some tough BH-to-BH rallies in this match!
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P.S: The options are the ones which were nominated in my past thread. Sorry if there's a player that should be on the list but isn't.

oneshot
Dec 27th, 2012, 12:53 AM
Evert is the classic pick, obviously.

But I've seen Sharapova and Venus produce out-of-this-world shots from their backhands. Particularly Maria, as she has a unique backhand if not only for the fact that she's a natural lefty.

Why is Azarenka in the poll and not Maria?

frenchie
Dec 27th, 2012, 12:59 AM
Definitely Venus (1999-2003)

GAGAlady
Dec 27th, 2012, 12:59 AM
Jelena Jankovic is not on this poll but I preffered her backhand she used to really nail it using all of her body to nail it. I will pick justines based on its aesthetic alone. But Serena's is the best obviously.

JarkaFish
Dec 27th, 2012, 01:01 AM
See now this is where it really gets tricky, unlike the forehand.

I don't know who to choose. :shrug:

*Jool*
Dec 27th, 2012, 01:02 AM
See now this is where it really gets tricky, unlike the forehand.

I don't know who to choose. :shrug:

I chose Serena but yeah it was tricky

Sam L
Dec 27th, 2012, 01:17 AM
Funny how people are picking the more modern choices here in Henin/Williams.

If anyone should win this it's Chris Evert. Sure, her backhand isn't the most powerful ever but it was the most consistent. And it is the most iconic. It's funny that Graf should win for her forehand but not Chris.

Here's why. Chris's backhand is the actual iconic shot out of the two. Hers is the shot that's been copied by many generations of players. Not Graf's forehand. Players these days actually still have backhands like hers.

I don't care for nicknames and hype. That's why I'm voting Chris.

Lord Choc Ice
Dec 27th, 2012, 01:21 AM
Serena can do anything with her BH and it's held up best (well, maybe not slice that well). Venus at her best had the best one but it's well below her forehand now :angel:.

Salve
Dec 27th, 2012, 01:27 AM
Whew ELSE but Queen Venus?!

Lord Choc Ice
Dec 27th, 2012, 01:28 AM
If anyone should win this it's Chris Evert. Sure, her backhand isn't the most powerful ever but it was the most consistent..

It's true that it is one of the originators of the two-hander of course, but by that logic Windows 95 is better than Windows 7. It laid the foundation but there are always going to be better upgrades :angel:.

frenchie
Dec 27th, 2012, 01:30 AM
Venus BH was amazing especially in 2000 and 2001
She was hitting with so much power and her DTL was very consistent.

n1_and_uh_noone
Dec 27th, 2012, 02:37 AM
DEpends what you are looking for. I confess I cannot rate the greats of the game of the past, not having watched them much. They were primarily about the slice though.

Consistency and accuracy of the drive backhand: Evert, and she did pioneer the double-hander used by 99.9% of the tour today. In the modern game, Azarenka is pretty good at redirecting pace and can find the entire court with her backhand drive.
Versatility (topspin, slice, pace, not to mention aesthetics): Justine, Mauresmo was great to watch too.
Power and ability to dominate with the drive: Serena/Venus.
Effectiveness of slice: Steffi.

Hingis does not top the list in any discipline but a solid shot.

heavyhorse
Dec 27th, 2012, 02:39 AM
Where's Monica Seles? (edit: woops just read your nominations part in the op)

Venus anyway. Her BH was ferocious back in the day.

Dominic
Dec 27th, 2012, 02:41 AM
Serena and Hingis in the poll and no Sharapova?

NEXT!

dsanders06
Dec 27th, 2012, 02:58 AM
In before the Venus fans start claiming her backhand had "disguise".

dsanders06
Dec 27th, 2012, 02:58 AM
In before the Venus fans start claiming her backhand had "disguise".

Raiden
Dec 27th, 2012, 04:20 AM
From the list in the poll, Justine's.

Because it had the most balanced superiority in all the elements: pace, accuracy, variety, depth, disguise, consistency, dependability/reliability, aesthetics/crowd-wowing factor (everything counts).

Leo St
Dec 27th, 2012, 04:38 AM
In before the Venus fans start claiming her backhand had "disguise".

it didnt need disguise.. it was plain smackyouintheface police brutality

doktor
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:08 AM
From the list Chris.

But Monica really should have gotten a start here, that backhand was fucking lethal.

Sam L
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:20 AM
From the list Chris.

But Monica really should have gotten a start here, that backhand was fucking lethal.
The nomination system here works like in the Oscars. So there are bound to be snubs because people will gravitate towards more obvious choices.

Monica vote split on forehand and backhand and didn't get nominated in either. It's like when you put yourself up in lead and supporting.

She was equally strong on both and should've been nominated for both.

HaplessPossum
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:24 AM
Which other player other than Venus is brave enough to hit a backhand winner like this (17:36) down Championship Point? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yScoxRr7H3I

Dominic
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:30 AM
Out of this list Venus in her peak :hearts:

Not so much nowadays :(

Stonerpova
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:48 AM
Azarenka being in the poll :awww:

But yeah, Evert's the clear winner here. She was an unbelievable ball-striker period, but her backhand was poetry. Clean as a whistle, sharp and precise no matter how much pressure she was under, and it was a tricky shot to read. She could pull it down the line at the last second with (seemingly) no problem.

Stonerpova
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:51 AM
In before the Venus fans start claiming her backhand had "disguise".

I think it did TBH. When it looked like she could go absolutely nowhere but cross-court she'd hit a sledgehammer down the line. And a lot of those type of rallies came against Hingis, where she'd anticipate the cross court and then see them whiz by her. If you can out-smart her, I think you've earned the "disguise" tag :shrug: Off the top of my head the 2000 US Open semi had a few of these rallies.

JarkaFish
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:51 AM
Azarenka being in the poll :awww:

But yeah, Evert's the clear winner here. She was an unbelievable ball-striker period, but her backhand was poetry. Clean as a whistle, sharp and precise no matter how much pressure she was under, and it was a tricky shot to read. She could pull it down the line at the last second with (seemingly) no problem.

Seriously!

:haha::haha::haha:

basset
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:57 AM
best bh: monica seles.

Brad[le]y.
Dec 27th, 2012, 06:02 AM
It's true that it is one of the originators of the two-hander of course, but by that logic Windows 95 is better than Windows 7. It laid the foundation but there are always going to be better upgrades :angel:.

In comparison to the technology at the time of Windows 95 and Windows 7, 95 might seem more impressive. Likewise, racket technology has improved immensely since then and is thus unfair to say modern day players have more 'upgraded' backhands. I admit Evert is a bit before my time but the angles she produced of the backhand in some of the tapes I saw were incredible. She may be an idiot in the commentary booth but she was a genius on court.

sammy01
Dec 27th, 2012, 06:03 AM
Clijsters. People think her forehand was her best shot but her crosscourt backhand had such width to it always. she could pull the trigger DTL to when she needed to. How on earth you can include the likes of Venus williams in the poll is beyond me? The poll is best backhand not best attacking backhand, Venus cant slice her backhand if her life depended on it. How can you have the 'best backhand' if you cant hit one of the basic shots in tennis off it.

-uqVcUqyg18

Dominic
Dec 27th, 2012, 06:10 AM
How can you have the 'best backhand' if you cant hit one of the basic shots in tennis off it.


Well because she didn't use it/need to use it. Venus is/was able to attack from any position with her bh

Leo St
Dec 27th, 2012, 06:28 AM
Clijsters. People think her forehand was her best shot but her crosscourt backhand had such width to it always. she could pull the trigger DTL to when she needed to. How on earth you can include the likes of Venus williams in the poll is beyond me? The poll is best backhand not best attacking backhand, Venus cant slice her backhand if her life depended on it. How can you have the 'best backhand' if you cant hit one of the basic shots in tennis off it.

-uqVcUqyg18

that post is an epic fail.. dont try to state facts about players youve watch 2 or 3 times s'il vous plait. venus actually hits backhand slices here and then, and they do just fine.. specially in doubles

and even if she didnt hit them, for you to state that a professional tennis player cant hit slices.. thats probably the crappiest crap ive read here.. ever.. so, by your logic, graf cant hit regular backhands, just because she choses to slice it in her matches? poor goat, that one

sammy01
Dec 27th, 2012, 06:32 AM
Well because she didn't use it/need to use it. Venus is/was able to attack from any position with her bh

No she isn't/wasn't. There have been 1,000's of points throughout her career she has lost because if you force her to have to take a hand off the racket on the backhand she basically loses the point. Venus could have been such a more complete and better player is she could have sliced a backhand.

Venus has nothing reliable in her game, she is the ultimate playing great or playing down right shit player. If the poll was 'the best attacking backhand' venus would be right up there as it was basically the only type of backhand she hit.

You cant have an all time 'best' shot if you have days with it where you simply cant make the playing surface or adapt with it by slice, spinning balls in ect.

The likes of Evert, Henin, Clijsters had bad days at the office but the backhand was always of a certain level of play that would be upheld.

Azerenka is the perfect example of a player adding in a decent (not great) slice backhand and giving herself options and making her a better player.

breakfast zhang
Dec 27th, 2012, 06:38 AM
serena wins this

Stonerpova
Dec 27th, 2012, 06:39 AM
The fact that Henin has more votes than Evert kinds of sums up TF :lol:

Dominic
Dec 27th, 2012, 06:48 AM
No she isn't/wasn't. There have been 1,000's of points throughout her career she has lost because if you force her to have to take a hand off the racket on the backhand she basically loses the point. Venus could have been such a more complete and better player is she could have sliced a backhand.


VERY hard thing to do, that's what I'm saying, she doesn't need to do that regularly.

debopero
Dec 27th, 2012, 07:05 AM
In before the Venus fans start claiming her backhand had "disguise".

Alright we get it, you don't like the Williams Sisters :yawn: .

Andy.
Dec 27th, 2012, 08:34 AM
At its peak Venus' backhand was a monster.

s_j
Dec 27th, 2012, 08:44 AM
http://f.cl.ly/items/1F1q1j1a2x2B1Y1s2w0V/mariashot.gif

Oh, wait. Masha's not in the poll.

Mightymirza
Dec 27th, 2012, 08:48 AM
Mauresmo?? Her topspin and slice were both excellent.

JarkaFish
Dec 27th, 2012, 09:00 AM
Mauresmo?? Her topspin and slice were both excellent.

Lovely shot, but even in terms of just one handers I'd give Henin the advantage.

madmax
Dec 27th, 2012, 09:35 AM
Serena and Hingis in the poll and no Sharapova?

NEXT!

this...:yawn:

Smitten
Dec 27th, 2012, 10:26 AM
Seles not in the poll. The most seamless and dynamic two-hander in the modern game.

Modern ignorance at its best, and extra LOL @ the arguments for Venus.

Lachy
Dec 27th, 2012, 11:32 AM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/4b3d1328a6208e319df05da4543f3328/tumblr_meot8qbZV41qgvdf9o1_250.gif

Including Azarenka and not Sharapova? :spit:

Gentleman
Dec 27th, 2012, 11:34 AM
1. Henin
2. Evert
3. Venus
4. Serena
5. Hingis
6. Azarenka

ViceUltramontain
Dec 27th, 2012, 11:41 AM
Azarenka in the poll and not Kim or Maria ? :spit:

Simugna Help
Dec 27th, 2012, 11:42 AM
y.;22631198']In comparison to the technology at the time of Windows 95 and Windows 7, 95 might seem more impressive.
Someone's forgetting about the blue screen of death :lol:
From the list in the poll, Justine's. Because it had the most balanced superiority in all the elements: pace, accuracy, variety, depth, disguise, consistency, dependability/reliability, aesthetics/crowd-wowing factor (everything counts).

This.

Cosmic Voices
Dec 27th, 2012, 11:43 AM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/4b3d1328a6208e319df05da4543f3328/tumblr_meot8qbZV41qgvdf9o1_250.gif

Including Azarenka and not Sharapova? :spit:

:lol: This poll is corrupt

JoPova
Dec 27th, 2012, 11:58 AM
Uhm, Vika? :lol: She has a great BH, but I think that even nowadays some BHs are better than hers: Serena, Maria, Na.

Anyway, I'm voting for Serena. Perfect technique, precise and powerful in every direction.

heavyhorse
Dec 27th, 2012, 01:50 PM
I remember Venus had Azarenka dumb-founded with her two ferocious backhand down-the-line's in a row here (1:32 and 1:50)

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Vika was trying EVERYTHING in this match and it just wasn't working.

Ivanovic2008
Dec 27th, 2012, 02:34 PM
Johanna Larsson :oh:

JoPova
Dec 27th, 2012, 02:37 PM
I remember Venus had Azarenka dumb-founded with her two ferocious backhand down-the-line's in a row here (1:32 and 1:50)

DpkRM4NcygI

Vika was trying EVERYTHING in this match and it just wasn't working.

OMG.. Those BHs DTL are the most stunning thing ever :drool:

Start da Game
Dec 27th, 2012, 02:47 PM
double hander: monica seles

single hander: justin henin

Nicolás89
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:20 PM
I think it did TBH. When it looked like she could go absolutely nowhere but cross-court she'd hit a sledgehammer down the line. And a lot of those type of rallies came against Hingis, where she'd anticipate the cross court and then see them whiz by her. If you can out-smart her, I think you've earned the "disguise" tag :shrug: Off the top of my head the 2000 US Open semi had a few of these rallies.

IKR.

NashaMasha
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:23 PM
the fact that OP was able to provide 10 choices in the poll and selected only 6 including Azarenka and Hingis and excluding Sharapova, Seles, Clijsters just shows the "competence" of OP on women's tennis, which is extremely low to open such threads/polls

Nicolás89
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:24 PM
http://f.cl.ly/items/1F1q1j1a2x2B1Y1s2w0V/mariashot.gif

Oh, wait. Masha's not in the poll.

Oh ok so that's special. Everyone on the poll own the bhdtl (well maybe not Azarenka). :lol:

Setsuna.
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:25 PM
Probably Venus's BH. Kim's BH was great too.

UgWcsXNDYoo

The most beautiful 2-handed BH.:worship:

Nicolás89
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:26 PM
Also, Henin in and Mauresmo out?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maevm1c3Br1r0d72do5_250.gif

JoPova
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:26 PM
Oh ok so that's special. Everyone on the poll own the bhdtl (well maybe not Azarenka). :lol:

The pace of that BH DTL was insane, which is not quite visible from the gif. But Maria's BH CC is her signature shot. She hit some incredible ones on the run this year as well. I remember one in the Stuttgart final and another one against Makarova in Miami :hearts:

JarkaFish
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:30 PM
Who cares about Pova? The idea of her having the best backhand of all time is laughable as well.

Cosmic Voices
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:31 PM
Who cares about Pova? The idea of her having the best backhand of all time is laughable as well.

wow are you the new bandabou?

JoPova
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:32 PM
Who cares about Pova? The idea of her having the best backhand of all time is laughable as well.

I do. And nobody said that. I and NashaMasha suggested that having Vika in the poll doesn't seem right, when other undeniably great BHs were left out :shrug:

NashaMasha
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:33 PM
Oh ok so that's special. Everyone on the poll own the bhdtl (well maybe not Azarenka). :lol:

Best backhand - power, versatility, consistency,disguise - it should be combined in one person. A number of players can hit backhand winners, but with low consistency ,not from all positions , not able to hit on a run etc

Azarenka can be dominated in backhand to backhand rallies by a number of players. I don't understand why she is in the list


As for Sharapova it's possible to crop from almost all of her matchs tons of excellent shots coming from her backhand
like this (Stosur's forehand vs Masha's backhand)
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heavyhorse
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:33 PM
Oh ok so that's special. Everyone on the poll own the bhdtl (well maybe not Azarenka). :lol:

Maria does have an excellent BH though, one that deserves to be on this poll (at least over Hingis and Azarenka). There were some true gems at the AO2008. I remember reading somewhere that because Maria is naturally left-handed and her father taught her to play with her right, her backhand is therefore very powerful and stable. Which is also why she has some great cross-court backhand shots.

thegreendestiny
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:38 PM
Venus Williams winning this poll :spit:

Her chicken-wing backhand may be effective but it's the ugliest I've seen.

Oh, and Azarenka being in the poll automatically removes whatever credibility this thread has. :help:

Salve
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:42 PM
Venus Williams winning this poll :spit:

Her chicken-wing backhand may be effective but it's the ugliest I've seen.

Oh, and Azarenka being in the poll automatically removes whatever credibility this thread has. :help:

WHEW else BUT the Queen!?

Sit.

heavyhorse
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:45 PM
Probably Venus's BH. Kim's BH was great too.

UgWcsXNDYoo

The most beautiful 2-handed BH.:worship:

Wow I need to start checking for this Mona bitch.

ViceUltramontain
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:46 PM
Sam Stosur.

Nicolás89
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:46 PM
Maria fans underrating other players' bhs? I know one player on the poll that dominated her with ease in some asian capital when she was way passed her peak using only her bh and she did more with it than Maria has ever done even at her peak, hitting winners from anywhere on the court, inside the baseline, outside the baseline, cc, dtl, inside out, volleys, drop shots and lobs. All during a 1 hour match.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maevm1c3Br1r0d72do5_250.gif

NashaMasha
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:50 PM
Maria fans underrating other players' bhs? I know one player on the poll that dominated her with ease in some asian capital when she was way passed her peak using only her bh and she did more with it than Maria has ever done even at her peak, hitting winners from anywhere on the court, inside the baseline, outside the baseline, cc, dtl, inside out, volleys, drop shots and lobs. All during a 1 hour match.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maevm1c3Br1r0d72do5_250.gif


do you mean that girl who was blown away from the court 2 weeks later in IW and Dubai ? :lol:

i guess her first serve was sometimes slower than this BH

rbwevTJZeV8

heavyhorse
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:51 PM
o2IiGCURvtQ

I love Maria but her game has gotten so ugly on grass. She used to play so beautifully on it too. Does she even do any of the warm up tournies for Wimbledon anymore?

Cosmic Voices
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:53 PM
do you mean that girl who was blown away from the court 2 weeks later in IW and Dubai ? :lol:

i guess her first serve was sometimes slower than this BH

rbwevTJZeV8

wow this bh is sensational :hearts:

JoPova
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:54 PM
Maria fans underrating other players' bhs? I know one player on the poll that dominated her with ease in some asian capital when she was way passed her peak using only her bh and she did more with it than Maria has ever done even at her peak, hitting winners from anywhere on the court, inside the baseline, outside the baseline, cc, dtl, inside out, volleys, drop shots and lobs. All during a 1 hour match.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maevm1c3Br1r0d72do5_250.gif

Nobody's underrating other players' BHs :lol: We are just saying that, since Vika is included in the poll, other players (mainly Maria and Na IMO) would deserve some consideration then. And try to stick to the topic instead of posting useless GIFs

NashaMasha
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:55 PM
I love Maria but her game has gotten so ugly on grass. She used to play so beautifully on it too. Does she even do any of the warm up tournies for Wimbledon anymore?

in 2012 she just didn't care about grass , she got rid of her clay game only in the later rounds of Us Open

in 2010 she made a TB vs Serena , which lost because of DF and the score was like 10-8 (if i'm not mistaken)

Cosmic Voices
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:55 PM
I love Maria but her game has gotten so ugly on grass. She used to play so beautifully on it too. Does she even do any of the warm up tournies for Wimbledon anymore?

she played Birmingham in 2010, reaching the final and losing to Na :sobbing:
but she rarely plays a grass warm up - her play in 2012 focused much more on clay point construction so who knows if she'll concentrate on fast hc/grass play in 2013 :shrug:

heavyhorse
Dec 27th, 2012, 04:01 PM
she played Birmingham in 2010, reaching the final and losing to Na :sobbing:
but she rarely plays a grass warm up - her play in 2012 focused much more on clay point construction so who knows if she'll concentrate on fast hc/grass play in 2013 :shrug:


I hope she does focus on grass in the years to come because grass is (or at least was) pretty much made for her style of play; the big serve and hard, flat groundstrokes. It was really painful watching her play at Wimbledon this year.

Nicolás89
Dec 27th, 2012, 04:04 PM
do you mean that girl who was blown away from the court 2 weeks later in IW and Dubai ? :lol:

Blown away?! No, I'm talking about the girl who is Maria's idol. :lol:

iWill
Dec 27th, 2012, 04:06 PM
I think of the poll its either Venus or Henin. I voted for Justine and mostly because her BH was really amazing to watch. To see how she would get balls well above her shoulders and fire them back with all types of spin when she needed it, and flat power shots as well it was hard not to vote for her in this list.

A lot has already been said about Venus, but she definitely has won some amazing rallies with her bh. Watching highlights of her 2005 Wimbledon match against Lindsay shows just how much her BH got her out of trouble in tight situations. :worship:

NashaMasha
Dec 27th, 2012, 04:13 PM
Blown away?! No, I'm talking about the girl who is Maria's idol. :lol:

this girl is also missed by OP :lol: i guess Azarenka might have dominated over her in backhand to backhand rallies :tape:

JarkaFish
Dec 27th, 2012, 04:14 PM
Povatards bringing up Martha's backhand.

:help:

JoPova
Dec 27th, 2012, 04:16 PM
Povatards bringing up Martha's backhand.

:help:

Oh yes! And I like to add Na's BH. which is fantastic and better than Vika in my opinion.

WhatTheDeuce
Dec 27th, 2012, 04:20 PM
Seles though.

Raiden
Dec 27th, 2012, 04:20 PM
The fact that Henin has more votes than Evert kinds of sums up TF :lol:Actually those particular votes are not that outrageous.

Henin on her backhand side was flawless.
But Evert did have holes there, notably she couldn't hit a slice backhand even if her life depended on it.

thegreendestiny
Dec 27th, 2012, 04:29 PM
Oh yes! And I like to add Na's BH. which is fantastic and better than Vika in my opinion.

+1

Na's BH is awesome when it's on.

Nicolás89
Dec 27th, 2012, 04:31 PM
this girl is also missed by OP :lol: i guess Azarenka might have dominated over her in backhand to backhand rallies :tape:

Venus struggled against her bh, what makes you think Azarenka would have any chance at all? :lol:

In The Zone
Dec 27th, 2012, 04:36 PM
Actually those particular votes are not that outrageous.

Henin on her backhand side was flawless.
But Evert did have holes there, notably she couldn't hit a slice backhand even if her life depended on it.

No, she wasn't. It looked pretty and that's it. When Henin dominated, it was because of her forehand and court awareness. All the other backhands mentioned are far more lethal and dangerous.

JarkaFish
Dec 27th, 2012, 04:45 PM
No, she wasn't. It looked pretty and that's it. When Henin dominated, it was because of her forehand and court awareness. All the other backhands mentioned are far more lethal and dangerous.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3qcqlkXa51qj47y6.gif

JoPova
Dec 27th, 2012, 04:55 PM
+1

Na's BH is awesome when it's on.

:hi5:

NashaMasha
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:12 PM
Venus struggled against her bh, what makes you think Azarenka would have any chance at all? :lol:

struggled where? when? now Venus is struggling vs Kerber and Radwanska , in 00-03 she might not remember the names of this players beaten in 50 minutes

heavyhorse
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:15 PM
No, she wasn't. It looked pretty and that's it. When Henin dominated, it was because of her forehand and court awareness. All the other backhands mentioned are far more lethal and dangerous.

The fuck are you talking about? I'm not a huge fan of Henin but her backhand was definitely one of the best this last decade.

I have literally never heard anyone say that Henin's forehand >>> her backhand. :confused:

Roookie
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:20 PM
Jesustine had the best backhand in the history of women's tennis: Powerful, elegant, beautiful, efforless, natural shot.

Sund7101
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:23 PM
Seles not in the poll. :help:

Evert paved the way for the two-handed backhand to become a dominant weapon in the women's game, so my vote goes to her.

Nicolás89
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:26 PM
struggled where? when? now Venus is struggling vs Kerber and Radwanska , in 00-03 she might not remember the names of this players beaten in 50 minutes

Are you seriously comparing Kerber and Radwanska to Hingis? and the Venus of now to the one 10 years ago? :lol:

Stonerpova
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:28 PM
I love Maria but her game has gotten so ugly on grass. She used to play so beautifully on it too. Does she even do any of the warm up tournies for Wimbledon anymore?

Not since she started going deep at the French Open.

Seles not in the poll. :help:

Evert paved the way for the two-handed backhand to become a dominant weapon in the women's game, so my vote goes to her.

And then there's that. She developed a two-hander before it was fashionable to do so.

Raiden
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:41 PM
It looked pretty and that's it.Sometimes in sports, the prettiest is the greatest.


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Craig.
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:43 PM
Henin's BH wasn't even THAT pretty. Her back looked like it was about to break in two half the time she hit it.

Nicolás89
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:46 PM
Henin's BH wasn't even THAT pretty. Her back looked like it was about to break in two half the time she hit it.

Yep, full of jealousy too. :lol:

Mauresmo's bh > Henin's bh

doomsday
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:48 PM
Awful poll, why not put Stosur and Ivanovic's BH while you're at it :lol:

Hartson
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:52 PM
Justine, no doubt :worship:

Alejandrawrrr
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:52 PM
Henin's BH wasn't even THAT pretty. Her back looked like it was about to break in two half the time she hit it.

:lol::worship:

J4m3ka
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:53 PM
Chris Evert.

n1_and_uh_noone
Dec 27th, 2012, 06:02 PM
I think people underrate certain shots because they were not kill shots in the sense of being the ones that ended points. But watch how many times Justine would drag opponents off court with a severe backhand crosscourt with ease, while deep in the court herself, and then finish the point with a forehand or something. That is why her backhand was referred to as her setup shot. This is something I admire about Clijsters as well.

Basically the shot patterns that set apart great players from the rank-and-file and wins them matches (as opposed to filling up highlight reels) are the sharp crosscourts that take opponents way off court and win them the rallies in the next couple of shots.

ZeroSumGame
Dec 27th, 2012, 06:24 PM
Evert & Serena ...too good! And their career results prove it!

edificio
Dec 27th, 2012, 07:24 PM
Henin's BH wasn't even THAT pretty. Her back looked like it was about to break in two half the time she hit it.

:yeah:

People just like the idea of a one-handed backhand. I liked Mauresmo's better.

dsanders06
Dec 27th, 2012, 07:51 PM
This thread is SUCH a mess. People seriously saying Mauresmo's backhand was better than Henin's? :spit: People seriously thinking Azarenka's backhand is GOATly by historic standards? Or Hingis's? Or KIM's (God love her)? :spit:

Of the past 25 years, the best backhand was definitely Seles imo, especially crosscourt. I can't really say of alltime because I simply haven't seen enough tennis pre-90s to know. But of the past 25 years, with Seles an easy first, I really think second might be Maria's :shrug: And I'm not even trolling. She has a case even over Justine's backhand imo, even if Justine's was much more aesthetically-pleasing.

Craig.
Dec 27th, 2012, 07:54 PM
This thread is SUCH a mess. People seriously saying Mauresmo's backhand was better than Henin's? :spit: People seriously thinking Azarenka's backhand is GOATly by historic standards? Or Hingis's? Or KIM's (God love her)? :spit:

Of the past 25 years, the best backhand was definitely Seles imo, especially crosscourt. I can't really say of alltime because I simply haven't seen enough tennis pre-90s to know. But of the past 25 years, with Seles an easy first, I really think second might be Maria's :shrug: And I'm not even trolling. She has a case even over Justine's backhand imo, even if Justine's was much more aesthetically-pleasing.

Henin's backhand was clearly more effective/reliable than Mauresmo's. I think most people find Mauresmo's backhand more aesthetically-pleasing though.

Mr.Sharapova
Dec 27th, 2012, 07:55 PM
A thread about the best backhand ever and Sharapova is not even an option http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad151/Milot_Sheremeti/scream-queen-confused-a.gif

dsanders06
Dec 27th, 2012, 07:59 PM
Henin's backhand was clearly more effective/reliable than Mauresmo's. I think most people find Mauresmo's backhand more aesthetically-pleasing though.

Well, I was mainly talking about that Matias tool who said "Mauresmo's bh > Henin's bh" :lol:

I do actually see what you mean, when Henin was actually hitting the backhand, she did often look quite jerky and ungainly (although, that was probably more because of how short Henin was rather than the stroke itself), but the actual end product (i.e. the shot itself) was almost always beautiful imo. The precision she could get on it was breathtaking.

JarkaFish
Dec 27th, 2012, 07:59 PM
This thread is SUCH a mess. People seriously saying Mauresmo's backhand was better than Henin's? :spit: People seriously thinking Azarenka's backhand is GOATly by historic standards? Or Hingis's? Or KIM's (God love her)? :spit:

Of the past 25 years, the best backhand was definitely Seles imo, especially crosscourt. I can't really say of alltime because I simply haven't seen enough tennis pre-90s to know. But of the past 25 years, with Seles an easy first, I really think second might be Maria's :shrug: And I'm not even trolling. She has a case even over Justine's backhand imo, even if Justine's was much more aesthetically-pleasing.

Not really, Justine's is just way more versatile. :shrug:

Roookie
Dec 27th, 2012, 08:01 PM
Shame to the poster that voted for Vika's :lol:

JarkaFish
Dec 27th, 2012, 08:02 PM
Wow @ the dead heat between Venus, Henin, and Evert! :eek:

powerpuff27
Dec 27th, 2012, 08:17 PM
Overall it has to be Evert. Why the hell is Azarenka in the poll, she doesnt have a top 30 anything all time, her biggest strengths is she does most things pretty well and is peaking in a weak WTA period. Sharapova and Davenport not being in this poll is quite ridiculous, Davenport`s backhand at her best I would take over either Williams, and I am a big Serena fan. I might include Graf in the poll only since her slice backhand is probably the best in tennis history, although I would still never vote for her, I would include her before Vulterenka though. Oh yeah Seles and Sabatini should be in the poll too. Stupid poll overall.

dynamoRockstarr
Dec 27th, 2012, 08:20 PM
Venus' backhand at her peak was monstrous. She struck it with a lot of confidence and power every time the ball was hit to her backhand side. Not mention the depth she got. I personally love seeing the bhdtl and bh inside out down the line.

LightWarrior
Dec 27th, 2012, 08:21 PM
What is Azarenka doing in the poll instead of Seles ?
The problem with Venus' backhand is that while great it is way too inconsistent and technically a bit dubious.
Evert's is pure perfection. Seles would be 2nd.

JarkaFish
Dec 27th, 2012, 08:22 PM
Seriously though who voted for Azarenka in the nomination thread? :lol:

dsanders06
Dec 27th, 2012, 08:42 PM
Not really, Justine's is just way more versatile. :shrug:

One question. Why in this thread have you been referring to her as Sharapova rather than "Crapova"? :confused: :oh:

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Dominic
Dec 27th, 2012, 08:46 PM
Not really, Justine's is just way more versatile. :shrug:

Yeah so? The OP didn't ask for the most versatile backhand. It's the same argument as Venus' backhand, Maria and Venus don't have all kinds of variety on their bh but it's super aggressive powerful and precise and they don't need/want to hit tons of slices (Maria's bh can produce great lobs btw)

Nicolás89
Dec 27th, 2012, 08:51 PM
Well, I was mainly talking about that Matias tool who said "Mauresmo's bh > Henin's bh" :lol:

I love that you just assume what people say and make full conclussions on a phrase taken out of context. You're special. :lol: :hug:

Moonballie's backhand was too soft and pretty to be considerated one of the best bh of all time. :lol:

AcesHigh
Dec 27th, 2012, 08:53 PM
The poll options are horrendous.
Out of the ones listed, Evert by a mile.

Spring Pools
Dec 27th, 2012, 08:54 PM
Sam Stosur.

Ivanovic

NashaMasha
Dec 27th, 2012, 09:02 PM
i guess the same poster will open such thread at MTF with the options
1) Karlovic
2) Lopez
3) Roddick
4) Moya

djbueno
Dec 27th, 2012, 09:11 PM
Venus but I absolutely adore Li Na's backhand :hearts:

JarkaFish
Dec 27th, 2012, 09:11 PM
One question. Why in this thread have you been referring to her as Sharapova rather than "Crapova"? :confused: :oh:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s105/gggiggle/imwu.gifOh come on, I don't hate PovaPova that much!

:oh:

I did come one click away from buying SugarPova Gummy Tennis Balls, after all. :o

The poll options are horrendous.
Out of the ones listed, Evert by a mile.Curious, who are some names you would put on this poll? And who do you think has a better BH than Evert?

Sombrerero loco
Dec 27th, 2012, 09:15 PM
easily hingis

n1_and_uh_noone
Dec 27th, 2012, 09:18 PM
Umm... for the naysayers, who are the poll options that are glaring in their absence? People just wank way too much over two-handed BHDTLs. There is a reason Jankovic does not deserve to be on such a poll, as good as her backhand DRIVE is.

Simugna Help
Dec 27th, 2012, 09:19 PM
One question. Why in this thread have you been referring to her as Sharapova rather than "Crapova"? :confused: :oh:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s105/gggiggle/imwu.gif

If he was Apoleb, his sarcasm would bite Pova's fanbase so much that you would all be demanding permaban, which is what happened way back when

n1_and_uh_noone
Dec 27th, 2012, 09:21 PM
Well, I was mainly talking about that Matias tool who said "Mauresmo's bh > Henin's bh" :lol:

I do actually see what you mean, when Henin was actually hitting the backhand, she did often look quite jerky and ungainly (although, that was probably more because of how short Henin was rather than the stroke itself), but the actual end product (i.e. the shot itself) was almost always beautiful imo. The precision she could get on it was breathtaking.

Yes, I agree that sometimes her follow through was not perfect and she did not always keep her head still AFTER the shot (though I have always the questioned the need for that when she always keeps it super still before and during). Also, absorbing power off blasts from her opponents for someone as small is not easy and she could look like she was going to fall over but her balance was great. Maybe her weakness was taking full cuts on some deep hard shots instead of deflecting them like Mauresmo. Whatever.

Craig.
Dec 27th, 2012, 09:25 PM
If he was Apoleb, his sarcasm would bite Pova's fanbase so much that you would all be demanding permaban, which is what happened way back when

Oh look who's back :cheer:

n1_and_uh_noone
Dec 27th, 2012, 09:25 PM
If he was Apoleb, his sarcasm would bite Pova's fanbase so much that you would all be demanding permaban, which is what happened way back when

And Apoleb ever coming even within 1956 clicks (let alone 1) of buying Sugarpova :happy:

JarkaFish
Dec 27th, 2012, 09:27 PM
Oh wait he was accusing me of being a former poster? I had no idea. :lol:

MashaAzarenka
Dec 27th, 2012, 09:30 PM
Chris Evert's backhand is the greatest of all time. Anyone who disagrees, is wrong.

Alejandrawrrr
Dec 27th, 2012, 09:31 PM
Oh JarkaFish is a former poster alright, but I'm getting a different vibe from Apoleb :oh:

AcesHigh
Dec 27th, 2012, 09:36 PM
Curious, who are some names you would put on this poll? And who do you think has a better BH than Evert?

I think Evert has the greatest backhand ever.

And how can you have this list without Monica Seles. I'd also include Davenport, Mandilikova, and even Sanchez-Vicario over some in the list. And I've never seen her play but I've heard Goolagong had an amazing backhand.

bandabou
Dec 27th, 2012, 09:45 PM
I think Evert has the greatest backhand ever.

And how can you have this list without Monica Seles. I'd also include Davenport, Mandilikova, and even Sanchez-Vicario over some in the list. And I've never seen her play but I've heard Goolagong had an amazing backhand.

:lol: And which 'some' would that be, would you take Monica's and Goolagong's backhands over,Aces? :lol: Hingis, Azarenka?! ;)

JarkaFish
Dec 27th, 2012, 09:47 PM
Oh JarkaFish is a former poster alright, but I'm getting a different vibe from Apoleb :oh:

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oneshot
Dec 27th, 2012, 10:39 PM
Sharapova has a unique backhand if not only for the fact that she's a natural lefty. No one generates as much pace from that wing as she does. Maybe only Seles and Peak Venus (who would need a fast surface to do so anyways).

Sharapova's CC backhand is monstrous, whether on the run or after setting it up and being well inside the baseline. Her DTL was a thing of beauty as she always knew precisely when to struck it. Her BH return is always the most reliable part of her game, and despite not having a BH slice, her defense on the BH side (particularly on clay) is terrific.

oneshot
Dec 27th, 2012, 10:40 PM
Wtf at Azarenka in the poll???

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JoPova
Dec 27th, 2012, 10:42 PM
Even though it's not all-time worthy material, I'd like to mention Zvonareva's BH, which is a really accurate shot. Her technique is flawless.

Simugna Help
Dec 27th, 2012, 10:48 PM
Oh look who's back :cheer:

I missed you too. :kiss: I'm too weak mentally to survive the insanity of GM during off-season, so I haven't been coming here this past few weeks. :scared:

Stonerpova
Dec 27th, 2012, 10:49 PM
Chris Evert's backhand is the greatest of all time. Anyone who disagrees, is wrong.

Finally someone gets it :lol:

Jack.
Dec 27th, 2012, 11:07 PM
I'm actually offended that Sam Stosur isn't in this poll, I mean didn't some commentator say her backhand down the line is her best shot? :oh:

Brad[le]y.
Dec 27th, 2012, 11:08 PM
I'm actually offended that Sam Stosur isn't in this poll, I mean didn't some commentator say her backhand down the line is her best shot? :oh:

Evert :spit:

AcesHigh
Dec 27th, 2012, 11:55 PM
:lol: And which 'some' would that be, would you take Monica's and Goolagong's backhands over,Aces? :lol: Hingis, Azarenka?! ;)

Serena, Hingis and Azarenka shouldn't be on the list. Monica should be taken over Henin definitely and over Venus as well. Venus has one of the greatest backhands especially DTL but it's too inconsistent and in her later career became harmless although it makes me sad to even say that.

The Dawntreader
Dec 27th, 2012, 11:58 PM
It's obviously Evert. The only caveat is that she was never forced into a huge-hitting era like Seles/Graf were.

Matt-TennisFan24
Dec 28th, 2012, 12:36 AM
Clijsters. People think her forehand was her best shot but her crosscourt backhand had such width to it always. she could pull the trigger DTL to when she needed to. How on earth you can include the likes of Venus williams in the poll is beyond me? The poll is best backhand not best attacking backhand, Venus cant slice her backhand if her life depended on it. How can you have the 'best backhand' if you cant hit one of the basic shots in tennis off it.



this...:yawn:

Seles not in the poll. The most seamless and dynamic two-hander in the modern game.

Modern ignorance at its best, and extra LOL @ the arguments for Venus.

Azarenka in the poll and not Kim or Maria ? :spit:

:lol: This poll is corrupt

the fact that OP was able to provide 10 choices in the poll and selected only 6 including Azarenka and Hingis and excluding Sharapova, Seles, Clijsters just shows the "competence" of OP on women's tennis, which is extremely low to open such threads/polls

Also, Henin in and Mauresmo out?



Venus Williams winning this poll :spit:

Her chicken-wing backhand may be effective but it's the ugliest I've seen.

Oh, and Azarenka being in the poll automatically removes whatever credibility this thread has. :help:

this girl is also missed by OP :lol: i guess Azarenka might have dominated over her in backhand to backhand rallies :tape:

Awful poll, why not put Stosur and Ivanovic's BH while you're at it :lol:

This thread is SUCH a mess. People seriously saying Mauresmo's backhand was better than Henin's? :spit: People seriously thinking Azarenka's backhand is GOATly by historic standards? Or Hingis's? Or KIM's (God love her)? :spit:

Of the past 25 years, the best backhand was definitely Seles imo, especially crosscourt. I can't really say of alltime because I simply haven't seen enough tennis pre-90s to know. But of the past 25 years, with Seles an easy first, I really think second might be Maria's :shrug: And I'm not even trolling. She has a case even over Justine's backhand imo, even if Justine's was much more aesthetically-pleasing.

A thread about the best backhand ever and Sharapova is not even an option

What is Azarenka doing in the poll instead of Seles ?
The problem with Venus' backhand is that while great it is way too inconsistent and technically a bit dubious.
Evert's is pure perfection. Seles would be 2nd.

The poll options are horrendous.
Out of the ones listed, Evert by a mile.

i guess the same poster will open such thread at MTF with the options
1) Karlovic
2) Lopez
3) Roddick
4) Moya

Wtf at Azarenka in the poll???



Serena, Hingis and Azarenka shouldn't be on the list. Monica should be taken over Henin definitely and over Venus as well. Venus has one of the greatest backhands especially DTL but it's too inconsistent and in her later career became harmless although it makes me sad to even say that.


Well, well, well. The hypocrisy of TF at its best. I mean, seriously, why are you whining about some deserving players not being on the poll when:
1- I created a thread to asking people to nominate what they thought were the best BHs (if you don't believe me, here it is: http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=472280) and ONLY included the nominated options. If I had added some other options myself, THAT would've been a corrupt poll
2- I explicitly wrote on THIS thread that I'm sorry if there was a player which wasn't nominated that should have.

If you guys were THAT offended by these "awful" options, then why didn't you take 5 mins of your life to answer my first thread?

Thanks Jarkafish, apparently the only TF member that actually understood how this system worked :)

Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying the discussion, but seriously, stop criticizing so much. Whoever nominated Azarenka was entitled to have his/her opinion, and at least that person made an effort to contribute to the poll.

Mr.Sharapova
Dec 28th, 2012, 12:46 AM
Well, well, well. The hypocrisy of TF at its best. I mean, seriously, why are you whining about some deserving players not being on the poll when:
1- I created a thread to asking people to nominate what they thought were the best BHs (if you don't believe me, here it is: http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=472280) and ONLY included the nominated options. If I had added some other options myself, THAT would've been a corrupt poll
2- I explicitly wrote on THIS thread that I'm sorry if there was a player which wasn't nominated that should have.

If you guys were THAT offended by these "awful" options, then why didn't you take 5 mins of your life to answer my first thread?

Thanks Jarkafish, apparently the only TF member that actually understood how this system worked :)

Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying the discussion, but seriously, stop criticizing so much. Whoever nominated Azarenka was entitled to have his/her opinion, and at least that person made an effort to contribute to the poll.

So you're saying that you let TF like TF to decide who should be nominated for the best backhand :facepalm::spit:???

Matt-TennisFan24
Dec 28th, 2012, 12:59 AM
So you're saying that you let TF like TF to decide who should be nominated for the best backhand :facepalm::spit:???

Umm... yeah! It would have been flawed if I had picked the options! I mean, I would've chosen Maria, for example. If someone else in my last thread had chosen her, then I would've been able to say: "I was right. She deserves to be in the poll.". But nobody did. So, maybe, I was wrong. Turns out I wasn't, given the comments here. But I COULD've been wrong. Maybe I would've nominated Wozniacki and people would've laughed at me. Who knows? It's difficult to be objective

Mr.Sharapova
Dec 28th, 2012, 01:02 AM
Umm... yeah! It would have been flawed if I had picked the options! I mean, I would've chosen Maria, for example. If someone else in my last thread had chosen her, then I would've been able to say: "I was right. She deserves to be in the poll.". But nobody did. So, maybe, I was wrong. Turns out I wasn't, given the comments here. But I COULD've been wrong. Maybe I would've nominated Wozniacki and people would've laughed at me. Who knows? It's difficult to be objective

Actually it would have been better to nominate the options by yourself because everyone in this forum knows and has a general opinion when it comes to who the clear options are in response to the questioned posed in this thread :shrug:. Now this thread is flawed since Maria is not an option :shrug:, a player who definitely has one of the best backhands ever.

tracytracy22
Dec 28th, 2012, 01:24 AM
Wow I'm suprised hingis has so little votes. I always thought she had a great backhand. But then again, according to the poll, henin's backhand is greater than evert's...

Sam L
Dec 28th, 2012, 01:33 AM
Henin winning? What a joke. I remember her even saying that her backhand may have been thought of as beautiful by some people but she needed to develop her forehand into a weapon that she could use to hit winners with.

There is no way her backhand is comparable to say Evert or Williams backhands who used it as a major weapon in their game.

Matt-TennisFan24
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:06 AM
Actually it would have been better to nominate the options by yourself because everyone in this forum knows and has a general opinion when it comes to who the clear options are in response to the questioned posed in this thread :shrug:. Now this thread is flawed since Maria is not an option :shrug:, a player who definitely has one of the best backhands ever.

I understand. Maybe in my effort to be just in this poll I ended up making it flawed.

Still, in my opinion, even though I'm a Maria fan, I wouldn't rank her BH over Evert's, Henin's or Venus's. So I don't think it changes the overall result of the poll. Definitely over Hingis and Azarenka tho.

iWill
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:10 AM
Soooo couldnt we just delete this and make a new thread? Or nah?

Matt-TennisFan24
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:14 AM
Soooo couldnt we just delete this and make a new thread? Or nah?

Don't think anyone would want to vote again lol

Either way, I did some research:

According to Steve Flink, the 5 best BHs all-time of Women's Tennis are:
1. Chris Evert
2. Monica Seles
3. Justine Henin
4. Lindsay Davenport
5. Evonne Googlagong

So, it's a bit of an exaggeration to say Maria was not here. Maybe Seles would've been a good option.

powerpuff27
Dec 28th, 2012, 02:26 AM
My all time list would probably be:

1. Evert
2. Henin
3. Venus
4. Seles
5. Sharapova
6. Davenport
7. Serena
8. Hingis

Something like that. However I am not that well versed on older players that came before Chris and Martina, so there are probably a number missing, that is more a modern list and how I would rank them. Azarenka would be about #35.

thegreendestiny
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:27 AM
Seriously though who voted for Azarenka in the nomination thread? :lol:

Red Foo made 3 accounts :oh:

debopero
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:18 AM
Don't think anyone would want to vote again lol

Either way, I did some research:

According to Steve Flink, the 5 best BHs all-time of Women's Tennis are:
1. Chris Evert
2. Monica Seles
3. Justine Henin
4. Lindsay Davenport
5. Evonne Googlagong

So, it's a bit of an exaggeration to say Maria was not here. Maybe Seles would've been a good option.

That list honestly isn't much better.

Lucyxx
Dec 28th, 2012, 04:22 AM
The sweetest BH is Henin by far.

Unbelievable the velocity she got on her BH for her size and stature.

Though the vote says 40-40 with Venus, pound-for-pound Henin got way more out of her trademark shot.

Alejandrawrrr
Dec 28th, 2012, 09:49 AM
My favorite shot in tennis is a 2H BHDTL especially on the run, so I have to vote Venus :worship: Honorable mention to a 1H BHCC that Henin used. Chrissie had the most influential and iconic shot however. Without bias though I think it should go to Evert. It's all really close, nowhere near as clean cut as a serve or forehand poll. I'd love to see a future GOAT play with a backhand as dominant as the Serena serve or Steffi forehand.

doomsday
Dec 28th, 2012, 10:09 AM
Sharapova has a unique backhand if not only for the fact that she's a natural lefty. No one generates as much pace from that wing as she does. Maybe only Seles and Peak Venus (who would need a fast surface to do so anyways).

Sharapova's CC backhand is monstrous, whether on the run or after setting it up and being well inside the baseline. Her DTL was a thing of beauty as she always knew precisely when to struck it. Her BH return is always the most reliable part of her game, and despite not having a BH slice, her defense on the BH side (particularly on clay) is terrific.

Oh god, I feel so connected to this statement because I'm also naturally lefty but I do play tennis with my right hand. I have a 2HD BH and I can assure you that everything you said is damn right, the angle and the power you can find and generate when you're naturally lefty is insane, people I play against are just choked by the power I can generate from that wing, they basically say that my BH is a FH :lol: and yeah I can also find vicious angles with it.:drool:

Maria has the best 2 handed BH in the game I know it cause I can also feel it when I play so Maria has my vote even if she is not in the poll.:lol:

s_j
Dec 28th, 2012, 10:16 AM
TBiCBfAlNJM

Check out two of Maria's backhand returns at 03:50 and 04:20. Sublime.

madmax
Dec 28th, 2012, 10:29 AM
TBiCBfAlNJM

Check out two of Maria's backhand returns at 03:50 and 04:20. Sublime.

Maria has the most powerful BH today for sure...I dunno why this board tends to overlook it, maybe it has something to do with the fact that majority of it is bitter WS tards most probably.:lol:

Smitten
Dec 28th, 2012, 03:53 PM
I agree with Dawntreader in a sense. Evert never had to deal with the level of power in this era, so it's hard to give the full nomination to her.

I think for her generation, she did have the best BH without a doubt.

People are so obsessed with BHDTL winners for some reason. Seles' BH was near faultless DTL, CC, angle, return, moonball, and early. The relative low amount of UE she hit compared to the pace she got was exceptional.

I think Seles always gets slighted because 1) people aren't familiar with 90s era games in-depth, 2) she's a lefty so it may be harder to compare.

No girl from 1990+ has ever had a BH as good as Seles all-around. Sharapova's BHCC is monstrous and she rarely loses those duels, and other girls may hit huge BHDTLs but Monica could do it all off that wing.

carling
Dec 28th, 2012, 05:57 PM
Chrissie Evert all the way!

powerpuff27
Dec 28th, 2012, 08:29 PM
Don't think anyone would want to vote again lol

Either way, I did some research:

According to Steve Flink, the 5 best BHs all-time of Women's Tennis are:
1. Chris Evert
2. Monica Seles
3. Justine Henin
4. Lindsay Davenport
5. Evonne Googlagong

So, it's a bit of an exaggeration to say Maria was not here. Maybe Seles would've been a good option.

Interesting list. Quite similar to mine I had posted just below, except for Goolagong who I havent seen play enough to judge.

caros defender
Dec 28th, 2012, 10:38 PM
Both Williams' have amazing backhands. The early racket preparation, shoulder turn, and deep knee bend are what make their backhands so lethal.One shot that I'll always remember was from the 99 us open final. Serena on the full run to her left absolutely blasts a backhand down the line, on one leg. Ridiculous. Their backhands are almost as good as caro's.

Craig.
Dec 29th, 2012, 02:49 AM
Both Williams' have amazing backhands. The early racket preparation, shoulder turn, and deep knee bend are what make their backhands so lethal.One shot that I'll always remember was from the 99 us open final. Serena on the full run to her left absolutely blasts a backhand down the line, on one leg. Ridiculous. Their backhands are almost as good as caro's.

:hysteric:

Dominic
Dec 29th, 2012, 04:40 AM
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Check out two of Maria's backhand returns at 03:50 and 04:20. Sublime.

:hearts: Her backhand crosscourt is out of this world! The best ever.

tracytracy22
Dec 29th, 2012, 05:34 AM
I understand. Maybe in my effort to be just in this poll I ended up making it flawed.

Still, in my opinion, even though I'm a Maria fan, I wouldn't rank her BH over Evert's, Henin's or Venus's. So I don't think it changes the overall result of the poll. Definitely over Hingis and Azarenka tho.

Over hingis? I'm not so sure...she had an awesome backhand. She could do anything with it :)

powerpuff27
Dec 29th, 2012, 05:34 AM
Serena obviously has the best serve ever, is currently sitting 2nd in the best forehand ever poll, and is 4th now is the bet backhand ever poll. She arguably has the best return of serve ever (with Seles, Venus, Sharapova, and Davenport also possabilities), when fully fit is top 5 all time in movement and court speed probably, and is probably top 3 in mental toughness/fighting spirit. Is it any wonder so many now view her as GOAT. Who ever had such a complete game that was so outstanding in nearly every aspect. Her volleying is the only area she is merely good, not great.

VeeJJ
Dec 29th, 2012, 05:46 AM
Jankovic BH > Masha's and Vika's :lol:

Dominic
Dec 29th, 2012, 05:47 AM
She arguably has the best return of serve ever (with Seles, Venus, Sharapova, and Davenport also possabilities),

Stats show even Azarenka is a better returner than her.

Craig.
Dec 29th, 2012, 05:51 AM
Jankovic BH > Masha's and Vika's :lol:

LOL.

overrule
Dec 29th, 2012, 05:51 AM
I don't care if Justine's is the best, but I could spend all day watching that beautiful one-hander.

Stonerpova
Dec 29th, 2012, 05:52 AM
Jankovic BH > Masha's and Vika's :lol:

:lol: No.

Dominic
Dec 29th, 2012, 05:54 AM
JJ's backhand is good but it's way overrated on this board, Vika's and Maria's backhands are way better.

Charlatan
Dec 29th, 2012, 05:56 AM
Jankovic BH > Masha's and Vika's :lol:

A classic example of why JJ's BH is so overrated on TF

VeeJJ
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:02 AM
No way no how baby.

Sharapova hits harder, yeah.
Azarenka hits harder, yeah And Azarenka can redirect good too, that's cute.

Jankovic's backhand was a consistently reliable weapon and her redirection/weight transfer was sublime. Pace absorbtion, awersome. Neither of those girls mentioned above could hit an inside-out or down the line BH as consistently, often, or easily as Jelena. Her CC was always solid and rarely faltered and painting lines with that BH was never an issue. Inform Jelena (07-08, 10' spring) rarely missed those shots and used every inch of the court and could also roll no pace backhand angle whenever. Masha and Vika have good backhands and it's both their better win, but all around, Jelena's was better and it had a pretty good amount of pace on it to.

Take a seat... and don't get up.

powerpuff27
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:08 AM
I dont know if Azarenka`s backhand is better than peak Jankovic`s, but Sharapova`s most definitely is. The only thing Jankovic does better than prime Sharapova is movement and defense, where she is far superior at both, but all other categories Maria has her beat hands down, including the backhand. If they played a match hitting nothing but backhands, and were given by some science experiment the exact same movement, defense, and brain for playing tennis, Maria would easily win.

Sharapova btw should be on this poll. Jankovic quite rightly is not on it. A good backhand, but not an all timer.

Dominic
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:12 AM
Maria's backhand is consistently much more powerful than JJ's and also deeper. Even in her prime JJ often hit short backhands. Plus Maria's crosscourt backhand is more precise than JJ's and she can hit it more aggressively on the run.

powerpuff27
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:15 AM
Maria's backhand is consistently much more powerful than JJ's and also deeper. Even in her prime JJ often hit short backhands. Plus Maria's crosscourt backhand is more precise than JJ's and she can hit it more aggressively on the run.

I agree on all of that. The only backhand JJ arguably hits better is the backhand down the line, but I am not even sure on that.

VeeJJ
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:16 AM
Maria's backhand is consistently much more powerful than JJ's and also deeper. Even in her prime JJ often hit short backhands. Plus Maria's crosscourt backhand is more precise than JJ's and she can hit it more aggressively on the run.

Whaaaaa? :lol: Jelena's backhand was the deepest thing she hit :lol: And Jelena did everything on the run. She could run into any backhand an put it precisely where she wanted and/or immediately turn defense to offense. This is why she was such a good player. Yeah Masha can hit aggressively on the run, but it only counts if it goes in hun.

Dominic
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:18 AM
I agree on all of that. The only backhand JJ arguably hits better is the backhand down the line, but I am not even sure on that.

Well she hits it more often, but it's not as powerful as Maria's

VeeJJ
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:24 AM
More powerful doesn't mean better by any means. Jelena didn't hit some puffball backhand, she hit it well with good pace. And it was about this<--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->much more consistent than Jelena's. And by no means does Sharapova have the redirection Jelena had, not even close.

powerpuff27
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:28 AM
Both Sharapova and Jankovic played Henin many times (about 10 each), the person who according to this poll has the GOAT backhand. Which one did more damage to Henin, especialy in the backhand to backhand exchanges, Sharapova or Jankovic. Obviously answer to that is not Jankovic.

VeeJJ
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:31 AM
Both Sharapova and Jankovic played Henin, the person who according to this poll has the GOAT backhand. Which one did more damage to Henin, especialy in the backhand to backhand exchanges, Sharapova or Jankovic. Obviously answer to that is not Jankovic.

This little rant has not an ounce of relevancy to anything that was being discussed. But okay :lol:

powerpuff27
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:34 AM
Actually it has alot of relevancy. Many consider Henin as having the best backhand of all time, so far she is the choice of this forum as the best backhand ever, at the very least she probably has a top 3 backhand of all time. She is the top player both Sharapova and Jankovic played most frequently on a variety of surfaces prime to prime many times, unlike the Williams who Jankovic never met close to their primes, and Venus plays Maria only sparingly stretched out over many years anyway. Sharapova`s backhand did a great deal of damage to Henin the backhand GOAT even in backhand to backhand exhanges. Jankovic`s backhand did virtually no (nor any other aspect of her game for that matter) damage to Henin when they played. Is that an indication of Jankovic`s superior backhand.

In fact when Jankovic played top players it was only her speed, defense, and consistency which ever kept her in matches, and gave her occasional wins. If she could run down every ball, keep ball after ball in play, throw in enough funky spins and looks, to probe 20+ unforced errors per set she was in with a shot, otherwise it was over in 75 minutes max. She had no shot she could truly hurt a big hitter with with any regularity, not even the backhand. Also people are well aware it is not just about power. You think Evert would have so many votes if people were just voting on power, lol!

Marcus1979
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:35 AM
To those going on about Peak Venus backhand. Its the shot that never broke down in that period. Whereas her forehand could get broken and spray errors everywhere. Remember the 2002 Frendh Final and US Open Final where Serena broke down Venus forehand and Venus proceeded to spray forehand errors all over the place.

The Backhand was always her shot that held up under pressure.

VeeJJ
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:38 AM
Troll, stop. Who has a better shots is not based on match ups. The End.

And just for shits and giggles, why does Jelean have such good H2H against the WS whom both have 2 of the best BH's in the game where as Maria's H2H vs then is so so sad.

Like I said, judging this by match ups is stupid.

powerpuff27
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:40 AM
And just for shits and giggles, why does Jelean have such good H2H against the WS whom both have 2 of the best BH's in the game where as Maria's H2H vs then is so so sad.


You dont know one of your favorite players well. Maria has a career winning record vs Venus, and owns Venus off of grass. Like with Henin, Maria`s backhand does more damage to Venus regularly when they meet than Jankovic`s backhand. Even moreso than against Henin, Jankovic is in fact relegated to nothing more than scraping and bunting balls back, hoping for errors from Venus, some which she earns from stellar defense and willingness to stay out there all day, to stay in a match with her.

The only top player Jankovic does better against than Maria is Serena, and this has nothing to do with the backhand. Maria actually stays with Serena in backhand exchanges, Serena just eats her up in everything else. Jankovic gives Serena more trouble since neither Maria or Jankovic can overpower Serena, and Jankovic defends much better (the only thing she does better than Maria) which is what is neccessary to do vs Serena who nobody is going to be dictating points against.

Dominic
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:47 AM
More powerful doesn't mean better by any means. Jelena didn't hit some puffball backhand, she hit it well with good pace. And it was about this<--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->much more consistent than Jelena's. And by no means does Sharapova have the redirection Jelena had, not even close.

Well power is very important yes, Jelena's backhand isn't weak but it's not comparable to Maria's in terms of power. I don't agree that Jelena can redirect that much better than Maria, it's just that she chooses to hit the backhand DTL more often than Maria who doesn't need to cause her CC backhand is just deadly. And I don't think JJ's backhand is significantly more consistent than Maria's either. Anyway, Agree to disagree.

VeeJJ
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:48 AM
You don't know how to read well. WS is plural. So lets take a look

Jelena: 10-11

Maria: 6-13

Are you done yet?

VeeJJ
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:49 AM
Well power is very important yes, Jelena's backhand isn't weak but it's not comparable to Maria's in terms of power. I don't agree that Jelena can redirect that much better than Maria, it's just that she chooses to hit the backhand DTL more often than Maria who doesn't need to cause her CC backhand is just deadly. And I don't think JJ's backhand is significantly more consistent than Maria's either. Anyway, Agree to disagree.

Deal.

powerpuff27
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:51 AM
You don't know how to read well. WS is plural. So lets take a look

Jelena: 10-11

Maria: 6-13

Are you done yet?

So you have to join them at the hip as if they were one person to make your lame attempt of a point work. Good for you. :lol: A 6-13 combined record against two of the greatest players of all time is still far from sad. Meanwhile Jankovic`s record against the Williams is no doubt the finest achievement of her slamless, 1 slam final career, just like Bammer`s 2-0 record vs Serena is hers. Continue with your delusions, or better yet start your own poll, better backhand Jankovic or Sharapova, and see how that goes. Anyone who has seen Jankovic and Sharapova play and thinks Jankovic is better at anything other than court movement and defense is delusional and blind.

VeeJJ
Dec 29th, 2012, 06:53 AM
You dont know one of your favorite players well. Maria has a career winning record vs Venus, and owns Venus off of grass. Like with Henin, Maria`s backhand does more damage to Venus regularly when they meet than Jankovic`s backhand. Even moreso than against Henin, Jankovic is in fact relegated to nothing more than scraping and bunting balls back, hoping for errors from Venus, some which she earns from stellar defense and willingness to stay out there all day, to stay in a match with her.

The only top player Jankovic does better against than Maria is Serena, and this has nothing to do with the backhand. Maria actually stays with Serena in backhand exchanges, Serena just eats her up in everything else. Jankovic gives Serena more trouble since neither Maria or Jankovic can overpower Serena, and Jankovic defends much better (the only thing she does better than Maria) which is what is neccessary to do vs Serena who nobody is going to be dictating points against.

You should watch this, best match they have played together with both very much in form and having great season. On Maria's best surface at the time and Jelena's worst. I'm NOT saying that Jelena is better than Maria, but give her credit where it's damn well due.

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VeeJJ
Dec 29th, 2012, 07:00 AM
So you have to join them at the hip as if they were one person to make your lame attempt of a point work. Good for you. :lol: A 6-13 combined record against two of the greatest players of all time is still far from sad. Meanwhile Jankovic`s record against the Williams is no doubt the finest achievement of her slamless, 1 slam final career, just like Bammer`s 2-0 record vs Serena is hers. Continue with your delusions, or better yet start your own poll, better backhand Jankovic or Sharapova, and see how that goes. Anyone who has seen Jankovic and Sharapova play and thinks Jankovic is better at anything other than court movement and defense is delusional and blind.

That's why I included them together and they both have two the best backhands of all time.

And a 10-11 is in no way comparable to a 2-0 fluke record. Jelena played well to win her matches against the WS including serving Venus the worst loss of her Career and beating both Sisters at their best slams. There is plenty of things you can belittle about Jelena but you are just choosing the wrong things today sweety.

:secret: ... Her forehand sucks, try that.

Marcus1979
Dec 29th, 2012, 07:16 AM
That's why I included them together and they both have two the best backhands of all time.

And a 10-11 is in no way comparable to a 2-0 fluke record. Jelena played well to win her matches against the WS including serving Venus the worst loss of her Career and beating both Sisters at their best slams. There is plenty of things you can belittle about Jelena but you are just choosing the wrong things today sweety.

:secret: ... Her forehand sucks, try that.

when did Jelena beat Vee at Wimbledon?

Kuzzy24
Dec 29th, 2012, 07:16 AM
Lol your name sounds like vajayjay. That's clever

Stonerpova
Dec 29th, 2012, 07:24 AM
when did Jelena beat Vee at Wimbledon?

2006, 76(8) 46 64.

Marcus1979
Dec 29th, 2012, 07:30 AM
2006, 76(8) 46 64.

That never happened :lol:

debopero
Dec 29th, 2012, 07:34 AM
That never happened :lol:

This.

Plus, 2006 Venus was really bad :tape: .

Stonerpova
Dec 29th, 2012, 07:36 AM
This.

Plus, 2006 Venus was really bad :tape: .

Whether she played well or not the match still happened :lol:

debopero
Dec 29th, 2012, 07:38 AM
Whether she played well or not the match still happened :lol:

Not in this mind :oh: .

Dominic
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:12 AM
I think JJ's backhand is overrated this much because her forehand is so weak. Her backhand is not comparable to Maria's

Brad[le]y.
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:19 AM
Jankovic BH > Masha's and Vika's :lol:

I love me some JJ but no way in hell is her BH better than Martha's :lol:

Charlatan
Dec 29th, 2012, 08:20 AM
I think JJ's backhand is overrated this much because her forehand is so weak. Her backhand is not comparable to Maria's

Miss Reetard said it best here.

Is this some kind of an unfunny joke? Peak jankovic had a fair amount of weaknesses in her game, in fact she had no real strengths apart from her side to side movement and her backhand down the line (which is just one shot). She was a good opportunist who made a career out of the injuries, comebacks and retirements of other players.

Peak jankovic has a weak second serve, a weak forehand, weaker back to front movement, no net game whatsoever, no idea of what to do once she is inside the baseline, barely any penetrative on her shots, no variety to compensate for the lack of aggressive game plan.

Her backhand cc was good but not amazing, backhand dtl was great but given her lack of any other weapon it was praised to the high heavens and overhyped to make her seem somewhat competent as the #1

I hate quoting his posts cause he is like the biggest JJ hater, but still just to get the point across. :o