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Matt-TennisFan24
Dec 26th, 2012, 02:37 AM
You nominated your choices in my last thread.

Now it's the time to vote and discuss!!


Some videos to illustrate:


Steffi Graf:
(Watch her fire three FH return winners in one single game!)
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Opponent's view:
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Serena Williams:
(I guess you'll see more forehands in this video than on any other!)
5sTG97e5tqU

Sue Barker:
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Ana Ivanovic:
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Svetlana Kuznetsova:
(Kuzy's FH in full flight in the 2004 uso final)
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Mary Pierce:
(Massive FHs from Mary in her '94 win over Graf)
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Feel free to add your own videos that could add to the discussion!

JarkaFish
Dec 26th, 2012, 02:39 AM
Graf 100%.

Cooper96
Dec 26th, 2012, 02:47 AM
Why is Ivanovic in this poll? :confused:

MashaAzarenka
Dec 26th, 2012, 02:57 AM
Graf, no contest.

JarkaFish
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:00 AM
How Ivanovic and Kuznetsova get on this list but not Henin is an absolute mystery.

Harry.
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:05 AM
How Ivanovic and Kuznetsova get on this list but not Henin is an absolute mystery.

Are you for real? :unsure:

JarkaFish
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:12 AM
Are you for real? :unsure:

Yes.

Brad[le]y.
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:13 AM
Are you for real? :unsure:

Henin had a very lethal forehand at her peak:shrug:

MashaAzarenka
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:29 AM
Honestly I'd take Ivanovic's forehand over Henin's, when it's on. When it's off, I'd take anyone else's over Ivanovic's haha

Leo St
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:39 AM
stosur's forehand is monstrous too

Sam L
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:45 AM
Serena Williams:
(I guess you'll see more forehands in this video than on any other!)
5sTG97e5tqU


OMG that's just awesome. :hysteric: How can I not vote for her after that.

JarkaFish
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:47 AM
OMG that's just awesome. :hysteric: How can I not vote for her after that.

Kvitova has a similar video where most winners are forehands:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R26RvRctz4Q

:shrug:

RVD
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:52 AM
Of ALL-TIME, huh?

That's a really difficult question.
However, Graf and Serena are in my top 3.
I think Graf's signature shot was certainly her forehand, but Serena's is massive and causes far more psychological damage to her opponents, IMHO.
I'll just leave it at that though, because there is so much difference between the two eras(and the respective competition) that it's akin to asking 'who is the greatest tennis player of all time'.

Hopefully this will turn into an enlightening discussion before the typical board rebel rousers discover this thread.

JarkaFish
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:55 AM
Of ALL-TIME, huh?

That's a really difficult question.
However, Graf and Serena are in my top 3.
I think Graf's signature shot was certainly her forehand, but Serena's is massive and causes far more psychological damage to her opponents, IMHO.
I'll just leave it at that though, because there is so much difference between the two eras(and the respective competition) that it's akin to asking 'who is the greatest tennis player of all time'.

I don't know about this, Graf's forehand really scared the hell out of everyone in the 90s. The way that she centered her whole game around it and pretty much dared opponents to take a shot that she could get her forehand on by continually slicing her backhand, it was a total mind game.

GOATdin0931
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:56 AM
Graf :bowdown:

GAGAlady
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:58 AM
Graff was the best and Serena is second I don't think Ana ivanovic has the best forehand and to me CAPRIATI has a better forehand than Ana

Craig.
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:58 AM
LOL at Ivanovic having the best anything.

Sam L
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:58 AM
I don't know about this, Graf's forehand really scared the hell out of everyone in the 90s. The fact that she centered her whole game around it and pretty much dared you to take a shot that she could get her forehand on, it was a total mind game.
Not Mary Pierce at the French Open 1994. :lol: It was a consistent forehand but not the most powerful, not even in her own era.

JarkaFish
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:59 AM
Not Mary Pierce at the French Open 1994. :lol: It was a consistent forehand but not the most powerful, not even in her own era.Rote pace isn't the only thing that makes a shot honey, and she destroyed Pierce with her forehand more often than she lost to her. :rolleyes:

Sam L
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:59 AM
CAPRIATI

That's someone who SHOULD be in this list.

Justin SW
Dec 26th, 2012, 04:04 AM
Serena has the better forehand when it clicks than Graf, but Graf was far more consistent. So for that I got to pick Graf

JarkaFish
Dec 26th, 2012, 04:06 AM
LOL at Ivanovic having the best anything.

:lol:

thegreendestiny
Dec 26th, 2012, 04:12 AM
Even though I despise her a bit, this one goes to Graf. :rolleyes:

RVD
Dec 26th, 2012, 04:14 AM
I don't know about this, Graf's forehand really scared the hell out of everyone in the 90s. The way that she centered her whole game around it and pretty much dared opponents to take a shot that she could get her forehand on by continually slicing her backhand, it was a total mind game.I don't doubt that in the least.
But her forehand was also during a time when serve & volley was the preferred style of play, so very few possessed as effective a forehand than Graf at that time...making the frame of reference difficult. Seles was the only one who could regularly compete with the Graf forehand, if I'm not mistaken.
I can't honestly think of anyone else who 'regularly' contested with Graf's FH.

On the other hand, Serena's era has had so many players with massive forehands competing regularly, that the question of whose is bigger often arises throughout the years.
Looking at Serena's FH returns (especially when her opponent have pissed her off) has to be the scariest thing to witness when it's coming right back at an opponent. Just the look on their faces is enough proof of this.
Plus, she possess a nice variety of offensive weapons off the FH to boot, whereas Graf's was primarily her slice.


But this is what I meant by it being difficult to answer such a question.

JarkaFish
Dec 26th, 2012, 04:20 AM
I don't doubt that in the least.
But her forehand was also during a time when serve & volley was the preferred style of play, so very few possessed as effective a forehand than Graf at that time...making the frame of reference difficult. Seles was the only one who could regularly compete with the Graf forehand, if I'm not mistaken.
I can't honestly think of anyone else who 'regularly' contested with Graf's FH.

On the other hand, Serena's era has had so many players with massive forehands competing regularly, that the question of whose is bigger often arises throughout the years.
Looking at Serena's FH returns (especially when her opponent have pissed her off) has to be the scariest thing to witness when it's coming right back at an opponent.
Just the look on their faces is enough proof of this.

But this is what I meant by it being difficult to answer such a question.

Mary Pierce, who's also on this list.

RVD
Dec 26th, 2012, 04:28 AM
Mary Pierce, who's also on this list.Yeah, but not regularly.
Pierce was so sporadic, which is why I used the word "regularly" (in essence...consistency)
However, when Mary was on, I agree...no contest.

Btw, I wonder why Seles isn't on the list?

pancake
Dec 26th, 2012, 04:36 AM
I mean if everyone just wants to vote for the scariest forehand when at their best then it just has to be Kvitova's.

dynamoRockstarr
Dec 26th, 2012, 04:39 AM
Steffi!

b2b
Dec 26th, 2012, 05:46 AM
herd mentality works everywhere huh?

for god sake, Graf's FH was based on Oriental Grip, a technique mostly abandoned or reserved for amateurs nowadays.How on earth could that be the best of all time?

it's almost certain that her FH couldn't handle a nasty topspin down the base line which is more commonplace in this generation. fortunately for Graf,none of the players in her era possessed such weapons.

Graf's game built on FH was partly because she has no BH other than slicing,not that she intended to,rather forced into.

good criteria for FH: 1.the preparation for/running-up to the hitting point 2. body and arm movement 3.the whipping follow-through(hitting through) the ball

based on above and taken footwork factor into consideration, Svet, Ana, Justine as well as Kim generally have best FH, at the same time, they all has their own ups and downs. so it's really hard to pick the best,basically down to personal preference.

Serena's FH solid but not the best kind,her preparation is a bit prolonged.

JarkaFish
Dec 26th, 2012, 05:55 AM
herd mentality works everywhere huh?

for god sake, Graf's FH was based on Oriental Grip, a technique mostly abandoned or reserved for amateurs nowadays.How on earth could that be the best of all time?

it's almost certain that her FH couldn't handle a nasty topspin down the base line which is more commonplace in this generation. fortunately for Graf,none of the players in her era possessed such weapons.

Graf's game built on FH was partly because she has no BH other than slicing,not that she intended to,rather forced into.

good criteria for FH: 1.the preparation for/running-up to the hitting point 2. body and arm movement 3.the whipping follow-through(hitting through) the ball

based on above and taken footwork factor into consideration, Svet, Ana, Justine as well as Kim generally have best FH, at the same time, they all has their own ups and downs. so it's really hard to pick the best,basically down to personal preference.

Serena's FH solid but the best kind,her preparation is a bit prolonged.

First off, what the hell is an oriental grip? I can only assume you mean continental, which Graf most certainly did not use. Graf's forehand grip is an eastern grip, same grip that Federer/Sampras used and they're also considered to have the greatest forehands in men's tennis.

Second off, Graf certainly did have a nice topspin backhand, and you can see evidence of this from her play in the 80's. Why she discarded it besides for passing shots is unknown, but it certainly seemed to have worked out just well for her.

Moron. :rolleyes:

n1_and_uh_noone
Dec 26th, 2012, 06:15 AM
What a joke. Fraulein Forehand, ring a bell?

Sometimes I feel most discussions here are meant to gravitate towards players of the last couple of years and just throw in the legends of the game to make them seem balanced.

n1_and_uh_noone
Dec 26th, 2012, 06:18 AM
And about unconventional technique, I don't think anyone will debate that Steffi's forehand was not something you would teach anyone, but lets see you argue against 22 Grand Slams and a glorious career that in essence was based on intimidating with a single shot.

JarkaFish
Dec 26th, 2012, 06:21 AM
And about unconventional technique, I don't think anyone will debate that Steffi's forehand was not something you would teach anyone, but lets see you argue against 22 Grand Slams and a glorious career that in essence was based on intimidating with a single shot.

Steffi's technique on the forehand is definitely unconventional, but he was talking about the grip, which itself isn't unconventional in the slightest.

b2b
Dec 26th, 2012, 06:25 AM
First off, what the hell is an oriental grip? I can only assume you mean continental, which Graf most certainly did not use. Graf's forehand grip is an eastern grip, same grip that Federer/Sampras used and they're also considered to have the greatest forehands in men's tennis.

Second off, Graf certainly did have a nice topspin backhand, and you can see evidence of this from her play in the 80's. Why she discarded it besides for passing shots is unknown, but it certainly seemed to have worked out just well for her.

Moron. :rolleyes:


at least i find one person of this board whose english poorer than me.

FYI Roger's FH is semi-westernized. His BH is "eastern grip". you are confused, my dear. Peter best known for his FH?Ouch.

it's just common sense semi-western FH are more powerful and demanding than eastern/oriental.Not even my point on this topic.

pancake
Dec 26th, 2012, 06:35 AM
at least i find one person of this board whose english poorer than me.

FYI Roger's FH is semi-westernized. His BH is "eastern grip". you are confused, my dear. Peter best known for his FH?Ouch.

it's just common sense semi-western FH are more powerful and demanding than eastern/oriental.Not even my point on this topic.

:confused: His/Her English is better than yours.

b2b
Dec 26th, 2012, 07:03 AM
:confused: His/Her English is better than yours.

oriental is another word for eastern.

JarkaFish
Dec 26th, 2012, 07:11 AM
at least i find one person of this board whose english poorer than me.It's not my native language either, and I've never heard of an eastern grip being called oriental ever. It's simply not common lexicon used in tennis. Search "oriental grip tennis" and you'll get no results. Admittedly in hindsight I should've concluded that by oriental you mean't eastern but again, not my native language. ;)

FYI Roger's FH is semi-westernized.
Still referred to as an extreme eastern. :wavey:

Peter best known for his FH?Ouch.
His forehand is one of the best ever, but of course he was more known for his exquisite serve, I never said otherwise. :D

it's just common sense semi-western FH are more powerful and demanding than eastern/oriental.Not even my point on this topic.
Common sense only if you're an idiot. Steffi Graf certainly did play against players with semi-western forehands and was victorious over them all. :cheer:

You're absolutely kidding yourself if you think the amount of spin 99% of the girls are hitting with today is going to disrupt Graf's forehand. :lol:

Her forehand is widely considered to be the best ever by tennis authorities, so much so that it isn't even up to discussion, learn to deal with it. :shrug:

b2b
Dec 26th, 2012, 08:55 AM
It's not my native language either, and I've never heard of an eastern grip being called oriental ever. It's simply not common lexicon used in tennis. Search "oriental grip tennis" and you'll get no results. Admittedly in hindsight I should've concluded that by oriental you mean't eastern but again, not my native language. ;)

Still referred to as an extreme eastern. :wavey:

His forehand is one of the best ever, but of course he was more known for his exquisite serve, I never said otherwise. :D

Common sense only if you're an idiot. Steffi Graf certainly did play against players with semi-western forehands and was victorious over them all. :cheer:

You're absolutely kidding yourself if you think the amount of spin 99% of the girls are hitting with today is going to disrupt Graf's forehand. :lol:

Her forehand is widely considered to be the best ever by tennis authorities, so much so that it isn't even up to discussion, learn to deal with it. :shrug:

i did a little checking on Peter. he's semi-western,sorry.

Roger's extreme eastern only occurs when he completely turned to FH side in closed stance. Generally conisdered semi-western.

A particular chapter in one recent tennis thesis in my hand is about Graf's FH but it's in Chinese,came from academy databases. you don't expect i translate them for you. However,from those i clearly see the pros and cons and pecularity about her FH. i'm sure articles about her FH also can be found elsewhere if you looks for references.

you know last time i checked the best FH went to Graf by "tennis authorities",the best serve woman had was Navaratilova(god hope i spelled that right). Tennis is evolving, particularly with the watershed mark at which woman's game ushered in a new age,the Williams age.

one thing for sure is bad debates always good at distorting other people's words and shunning the core split.

i simply suggested one weakness about Graf FH was topspin, she literally has to high-jump on those to hit, thus may lose accuracy and her power edge, when she always jumped a little to get her power on FH, let alone when opponent get her on the run.

Even if her major opponents were western grip, but do they played ever like todays westerners? Everyone says this woman generation is all about the power. but not only they get stronger psyhically,but also technically more prone to men. They take the ball earlier and put more spin on the ball and hit it harder, possiblly whenever/wherever they want to. Graf played in era a distinct FH is sufficent to dominate. Has it ever occured to you its not because it‘s the BEST OF ALL TIME, but because the others are just not "good enough"?

the thing is Graf never really plays this generation, so how we gonna really find out how she will do? Seles and Pierce could be the case in point.

Alejandrawrrr
Dec 26th, 2012, 09:02 AM
As much as I don't particularly care for her, obviously Steffi. Her FH was the "Serena Williams serve" of the 1990s. A better question would be to replace her with Capriati and ask who has the second best FH, or since we already know who has the best FH and who has the best serve, to ask who has the best BH of all time :shrug:

bandabou
Dec 26th, 2012, 09:36 AM
Graf...forehand is Graf.

hingis-seles
Dec 26th, 2012, 09:49 AM
Graf's forehand was the most feared shot in her generation, like Serena's serve today. This is a no-brainer.

hingis-seles
Dec 26th, 2012, 09:51 AM
Btw, I wonder why Seles isn't on the list?

Seles was equally good off both sides, so there was no one standout side. As for her strokes, I was always partial to her backhand crosscourt - that was lethal and the angles she got on that side were ridiculous. :worship:

moby
Dec 26th, 2012, 09:53 AM
The most lethal part of the Graf forehand was not its pace (and it was certainly one of the fastest of all time), nor its consistency (and it was a very consistent shot considering how much she went for it), not even its depth (which she kept all the time).

It was its disguise. She took the ball extremely late, very often off her hip, sometimes even behind her, and it was very difficult to read where the ball was going. Disguise is something that is lost to viewers watching a match on a TV screen. Because she took the ball so late, she was also forced to accelerate the racket much quicker to avoid hitting wide and that gave her shots additional zip. Her preparation backswing was so last minute and snappy that with her impeccable footwork and speed, it was also very difficult to rush her on that side - she was basically used to "rushing" even on routine shots.

In a way, this is exactly like Serena's serve now. The thing about Serena's serve that kills her opponents is the disguise and placement. Even though she can obviously hammer that thing.

sweetpeas
Dec 26th, 2012, 10:41 AM
Serena all the way '. For. Me!

Sammo
Dec 26th, 2012, 11:16 AM
You put Ivanovic and Kuznetsova and not Stosur? Bleh

madmax
Dec 26th, 2012, 11:23 AM
VIP and Kuznetsova in the poll but not Miss FH of today Stosur?:unsure: Even Sharapova's FH, when it clicks, is better and bigger than Ivanovic's, and she's a much better player too, yet no one mentions her. What's so special about serbian's FH anyway? Just because it was hit flat and at it's brief peak was somewhat consistent, doesn't make it worthy including in "all-time greatest" discussions...

Lilowannabe
Dec 26th, 2012, 12:43 PM
I don't know about this, Graf's forehand really scared the hell out of everyone in the 90s. The way that she centered her whole game around it and pretty much dared opponents to take a shot that she could get her forehand on by continually slicing her backhand, it was a total mind game.

Yes this

Sam L
Dec 26th, 2012, 12:50 PM
First off, what the hell is an oriental grip? I can only assume you mean continental, which Graf most certainly did not use. Graf's forehand grip is an eastern grip, same grip that Federer/Sampras used and they're also considered to have the greatest forehands in men's tennis.


Oriental = Eastern. Not hard to figure out. And I don't know what your problem is. What that poster said is correct. A lot of players don't use eastern forehands anyway. It's all semi-western and western grips now on men's and women's side.

Gaby Gasparyan
Dec 26th, 2012, 02:08 PM
The best I ever seen in real time was without a doubt, Lindsay Davenport

viktory
Dec 26th, 2012, 02:36 PM
Graf,undoubtedly the GOAT forehand.

pancake
Dec 26th, 2012, 02:37 PM
Oriental = Eastern. Not hard to figure out. And I don't know what your problem is. What that poster said is correct. A lot of players don't use eastern forehands anyway. It's all semi-western and western grips now on men's and women's side.

You defend that poster only because s/he doesn't think Graf has the best forehand. If s/he's saying otherwise you would care for his/her opinions.

JarkaFish
Dec 26th, 2012, 02:40 PM
You defend that poster only because s/he doesn't think Graf has the best forehand. If s/he's saying otherwise you would care for his/her opinions.

Don't mind Sam L, he/she has had a clear anti-Graf agenda for quite a while now. It's sweet really, to be so pressed by a woman who retired some 13 years ago.

Mattographer
Dec 26th, 2012, 02:58 PM
Graf, without a question.


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Kuzzy24
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:08 PM
Obviously Graf. I think Ivanovic was included because despite how bad the rest of her game will be in a match her forehand is always working for her. Although Stosur has a good forehand she shanks it a lot.

Matt-TennisFan24
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:14 PM
You put Ivanovic and Kuznetsova and not Stosur? Bleh

VIP and Kuznetsova in the poll but not Miss FH of today Stosur?:unsure: Even Sharapova's FH, when it clicks, is better and bigger than Ivanovic's, and she's a much better player too, yet no one mentions her. What's so special about serbian's FH anyway? Just because it was hit flat and at it's brief peak was somewhat consistent, doesn't make it worthy including in "all-time greatest" discussions...

I just put in the poll the nominated players from the other thread... surprisingly, yes, nobody nominated Stosur. As for Ana's FH, Simon Reed (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/simon-reed/favourite-shotmakers-women-forehand-268.html) believes it's one of the best of all-time. Certainly not the best, I'd have to say, but still deserving a mention.

Ana'sProcess
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:23 PM
Henin backhand was the one to beat, but forehand...hmm, no. All players from this poll have much better forehand (when it works normally). :)

The fact Henin was great, doesn't mean her forehand was better than Kuznetsova's or Ivanovic's. She was overall better player, but both, Ana and Sveta have way more better forehand than her. ;)

Start da Game
Dec 26th, 2012, 03:32 PM
graf could hit a dozen different kinds of forehands.......no contest this......

MercuriePL
Dec 26th, 2012, 04:02 PM
WHERE'S THE QUEEN ???
http://www.miastokobiet.pl/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/agnieszka-radwanska-wimbledon.jpg

Ana'sProcess
Dec 26th, 2012, 04:12 PM
WHERE'S THE QUEEN ???
http://www.miastokobiet.pl/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/agnieszka-radwanska-wimbledon.jpg

:help:

Start da Game
Dec 26th, 2012, 04:13 PM
who is she?

Stonerpova
Dec 26th, 2012, 05:11 PM
I really wanna pick Serena, but it's clearly Graf.

Gaby Gasparyan
Dec 26th, 2012, 05:35 PM
I really wanna pick Serena, but it's clearly Graf.

Phone a friend :)

NashaMasha
Dec 26th, 2012, 05:41 PM
Rafa Nadal and nobody even close , his forehand on the run or when he is set up is equally lethal

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/09/01/sports/tennis/Speed-and-Spin-Nadals-Lethal-Forehand.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtnpxcDqfxM

There are just a few players who can be rated anywhere close - Steffi, Roger, Lendl, Borg, probably Sampras , but he was more dangerous when hitting on the run from his forehand. I will add Serena and JMDP , but their error % is higher.

Sam, Ana, Pierce - all have/had huge forehands, but lack of consistency, variety,disguise doesn't let me put them anywhere close to the abovestated players.

n1_and_uh_noone
Dec 26th, 2012, 06:04 PM
This is a WTA poll. If all-time men/women, FEderer all the way. For years, he could hurt you with a single forehand even while causing trouble with the rest of his game, it was suffocating. I remember thinking each time an opponent hit to his forehand (inevitably the end of the point), 'WTF is he thinking?'

Nadal has lots of problems with his forehand. He can be rushed on that side and does not have the confidence to finish rallies quickly enough sometimes. Roger is immensely versatile with his and has no such problems (of course, with age his consistency has deteriorated, but that is true of anyone).

Ryan
Dec 26th, 2012, 08:42 PM
I don't know about this, Graf's forehand really scared the hell out of everyone in the 90s. The way that she centered her whole game around it and pretty much dared opponents to take a shot that she could get her forehand on by continually slicing her backhand, it was a total mind game.


This. No one is scared of Serena's forehand like they were of Graf's. Serena's SERVE might be as feared as Graf's forehand though.

Sombrerero loco
Dec 26th, 2012, 08:46 PM
easily graf, and i have to add i am not a fan of her at all

JCTennisFan
Dec 26th, 2012, 08:47 PM
Capriati not on this poll??

Crazy......

Her forehand make Kuzzie and Ivanovic's look tame.

She could do anything with it.... and it tended to be even more deadly while on the run.. which was something Capriati did exceptionally well.

AcesHigh
Dec 26th, 2012, 09:22 PM
This is a WTA poll. If all-time men/women, FEderer all the way. For years, he could hurt you with a single forehand even while causing trouble with the rest of his game, it was suffocating. I remember thinking each time an opponent hit to his forehand (inevitably the end of the point), 'WTF is he thinking?'


I am a Federer fan and I am not as impressed as other people seem to be. Talking to a friend the other day and he brought up Lendl. I also thought Sampras had a formidable forehand.

Either way, for women, there is a clearcut GOAT forehand. For men... not as sure.

Sam L
Dec 26th, 2012, 10:03 PM
You defend that poster only because s/he doesn't think Graf has the best forehand. If s/he's saying otherwise you would care for his/her opinions.

No because what they said made sense. A lot of players now use semi-westerns.

Don't mind Sam L, he/she has had a clear anti-Graf agenda for quite a while now. It's sweet really, to be so pressed by a woman who retired some 13 years ago.

I think it's more worrying that people are pressed about a player who has been dominating for the last decade and continues to do so. :lol:

nfl46
Dec 26th, 2012, 10:47 PM
Honestly I'd take Ivanovic's forehand over Henin's, when it's on. When it's off, I'd take anyone else's over Ivanovic's haha

This.

For the poll, Stefi.

Layabout
Dec 27th, 2012, 12:17 AM
VIP and Kuznetsova in the poll but not Miss FH of today Stosur?:unsure: Even Sharapova's FH, when it clicks, is better and bigger than Ivanovic's, and she's a much better player too, yet no one mentions her. What's so special about serbian's FH anyway? Just because it was hit flat and at it's brief peak was somewhat consistent, doesn't make it worthy including in "all-time greatest" discussions...

Sam's forehand is overrated, she hits it beautifully when she has time on the ball but is infuriatingly crap at handling balls outside of her comfort zone.

I'm going for Sveta's forehand because it's my favourite shot to watch and literally makes me clap like a special seal:

http://www.sidetick.com/uploads_group/1000/939/0_1618.jpg

heavyhorse
Dec 27th, 2012, 01:15 AM
y.;22626236']Henin had a very lethal forehand at her peak:shrug:

Henin's forehead was so fucking ugly though.

JarkaFish
Dec 27th, 2012, 01:21 AM
Henin's forehead was so fucking ugly though.

I disagree. :shrug:

heavyhorse
Dec 27th, 2012, 01:25 AM
Serena Williams:
(I guess you'll see more forehands in this video than on any other!)
5sTG97e5tqU

God DAMN those girls were running just for dear hope they'll reach the ball. :lol:

alfonsojose
Dec 27th, 2012, 01:33 AM
Where's Davenport?

supergrunt
Dec 27th, 2012, 02:28 AM
Serena's forehand is better than Graf's--it's just that Graf's forehand was amazing in its context and relative to her backhand.

Mary Cherry.
Dec 27th, 2012, 02:41 AM
http://i.imgur.com/LvgTt.png

Kooyong
Dec 27th, 2012, 02:46 AM
How Ivanovic and Kuznetsova get on this list but not Henin is an absolute mystery.

Henin has the best single handed backhands in the history of the Women's game but I am unable to say the same about her forehand.

I voted for Steffi, Steffi has the best forehand that I have seen.

Kooyong
Dec 27th, 2012, 02:55 AM
I don't doubt that in the least.
But her forehand was also during a time when serve & volley was the preferred style of play, so very few possessed as effective a forehand than Graf at that time...making the frame of reference difficult. Seles was the only one who could regularly compete with the Graf forehand, if I'm not mistaken.
I can't honestly think of anyone else who 'regularly' contested with Graf's FH.

On the other hand, Serena's era has had so many players with massive forehands competing regularly, that the question of whose is bigger often arises throughout the years.
Looking at Serena's FH returns (especially when her opponent have pissed her off) has to be the scariest thing to witness when it's coming right back at an opponent. Just the look on their faces is enough proof of this.
Plus, she possess a nice variety of offensive weapons off the FH to boot, whereas Graf's was primarily her slice.


But this is what I meant by it being difficult to answer such a question.


It is true that in Steffi day that there were more serve and volley players but even in the early nineties there were a large number of the top ten that were back court players like

Sabatini, Martinez, Sanchez, Seles, Capriati, Coetzer etc

I rate Steffi forehand ahead of Serena's, the two forehands are somewhat different, I don't recall seeing Serena running around her forehand and hitting it inside out like Steffi did.

Kooyong
Dec 27th, 2012, 02:59 AM
Second off, Graf certainly did have a nice topspin backhand, and you can see evidence of this from her play in the 80's. Why she discarded it besides for passing shots is unknown, but it certainly seemed to have worked out just well for her.

Moron. :rolleyes:

Steffi in her early years mostly hit the backhand single handed with topspin and only developed the slice backhand in the second part of her career. over time the slice backhand became her main backhand.

The backhand was always a more defensive shot and she focused her attack on the serve and forehand.

venusallday
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:03 AM
This is the easiest post ever. Graf Graf GRAF. I think Seles, Navratilova, and Capriati should also be here, though.

JCTennisFan
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:20 AM
It is true that in Steffi day that there were more serve and volley players but even in the early nineties there were a large number of the top ten that were back court players like

Sabatini, Martinez, Sanchez, Seles, Capriati, Coetzer etc

I rate Steffi forehand ahead of Serena's, the two forehands are somewhat different, I don't recall seeing Serena running around her forehand and hitting it inside out like Steffi did.

If anything Serena has a stronger Backhand than forehand.... in fact both Williams Sisters do.

I view Serena's Backhand as a much more lethal shot.... especially her BHDTL.

Many of the Capriati/Serena matches were so close because Capriati decisively had a superior Forehand so she could atleast control the rallies off of that wing.

Kooyong
Dec 27th, 2012, 03:25 AM
If anything Serena has a stronger Backhand than forehand.... in fact both Williams Sisters do.

I view Serena's Backhand as a much more lethal shot.... especially her BHDTL.

Many of the Capriati/Serena matches were so close because Capriati decisively had a superior Forehand so she could atleast control the rallies off of that wing.

Very true and generally speaking not having Jen in this poll makes it a flawed poll.

Kuzzy24
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:38 AM
Serena's forehand is better than Graf's--it's just that Graf's forehand was amazing in its context and relative to her backhand.

I agree, I remember a cross court forehand rally between Graf and Serena; once serena stepped up the pace and depth Graf couldn't handle it

sammy01
Dec 27th, 2012, 05:44 AM
I cant go with anyone bar graf. It was the shot of the 90's in women's tennis. I'd say Serena's is more pleasing to the eye (mainly because Graf had a late take back) but if we look at overall outcome, reliability, weapon and match winning, it can only be graf.

Sund7101
Dec 27th, 2012, 04:30 PM
I cant go with anyone bar graf. It was the shot of the 90's in women's tennis. I'd say Serena's is more pleasing to the eye (mainly because Graf had a late take back) but if we look at overall outcome, reliability, weapon and match winning, it can only be graf.

This. I am not a fan of Graf, but it was one of the biggest weapons all-time in the history of the women's game.