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ECB043
Dec 24th, 2012, 06:13 AM
In the 1990s as a young teenager I was a die hard steffi fan. However looking back I think if she was not stabbed she would have been the best ever. I do think if steffi was not plagued by her personal problems then she would have the upper hand in 1990-1991, but the way seles of improving she would have dominated from 1993-2000. Although grass was not her best surface she would have won there. Mentally and game wise she was so tough and it is really sad what happened to her and how it altered tennis history. Steffis game was affected when the press exposed her father... so it is natural for seles to be affected when she was stabbed as she was damaged. Although I do think she would not have dominated the serena era... she would have dominated as she was improving and too strong for everyone else. We all need to acknowledge this.

JarkaFish
Dec 24th, 2012, 06:35 AM
Would've/could've/should've.

Unfortunate she got stabbed, but we can only go by what's actually taken place in reality.

JackFrost
Dec 24th, 2012, 07:16 AM
Not again....:rolleyes:

Igorche
Dec 24th, 2012, 08:17 AM
In the 1990s as a young teenager I was a die hard steffi fan. However looking back I think if she was not stabbed she would have been the best ever. I do think if steffi was not plagued by her personal problems then she would have the upper hand in 1990-1991, but the way seles of improving she would have dominated from 1993-2000. Although grass was not her best surface she would have won there. Mentally and game wise she was so tough and it is really sad what happened to her and how it altered tennis history. Steffis game was affected when the press exposed her father... so it is natural for seles to be affected when she was stabbed as she was damaged. Although I do think she would not have dominated the serena era... she would have dominated as she was improving and too strong for everyone else. We all need to acknowledge this.

I completely agree.

Saraya!
Dec 24th, 2012, 08:25 AM
I completely agree.

Me too.

pancake
Dec 24th, 2012, 09:01 AM
How can anyone acknowledge something that we would never really know is beyond me. Don't you guys ever get bored bringing up the same topic over and over again?

Cindy and Kate
Dec 24th, 2012, 09:04 AM
Me too.

There´s no way to know, but considering that she had won 8 GS at 19 , that she was almost unbeateable at the time of the stabbing, and that she was only getting better and stil had room to improve, I dont think it´s so far fetched to say that she could have won between 15-20 GS, as the new generation (Hingins, Williams..) were still some years to come, and being fit, I am sure she would have challenged them pretty succesfuly as Steffi did.

Pump-it-UP
Dec 24th, 2012, 09:16 AM
:lol: This is gonna get so messy.

I agree though, but extending her dominance through 2000 is a bit of a reach. It's hard to imagine her dominating from '97 onward considering her H2H's with Hingis/Davenport/WS. She maybe would have beaten them enough to still win 1 slam per year until she retired (which probably would have been 2000 anyway) but by no means would she have still been dominating like she would have been from '91-'96. :shrug:

I'd argue that she probably missed out on an additional 7+ slams in 1993-1996 and another 3-4 more in the 1997-2000 period.

Pops Maellard
Dec 24th, 2012, 09:36 AM
She could've got injured (besides stabbing), her game could've been figured out, she could've found a man and got pregnant, or anything :shrug:. What's the point of revisionist history?

Trickle
Dec 24th, 2012, 09:48 AM
8 slams at 19 1/2 vs 6 slams at 19 1/2. Before the 1993 FO, it was Steffi (at 23-24) with 11 and Monica (at 19-20) with 8.

I personally think Monica's post-stabbing performance is so underrated considering what she went through. When she came back, the first slam she reached the final she BAGELED Steffi Graf after losing a tiebreaker. BAGELED. She unfortunately lost the next set and the match... but she won the next slam.

She later went on and reached extra finals, semi finals and tons of quarter finals in a very contested era.

Mattographer
Dec 24th, 2012, 10:05 AM
Not this shit again :o


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Linguae^
Dec 24th, 2012, 10:30 AM
Absolutely and no need to open threads like this one ever again, but absolutely - YES! :yeah:

Gaby Gasparyan
Dec 24th, 2012, 10:46 AM
Maybe....Oh, don't forget poor Caroline too. Only for dating Rory McIlroy she coulda had at least 3-4 slams under her belt by now...

JarkaFish
Dec 24th, 2012, 10:51 AM
Maybe....Oh, don't forget poor Caroline too. Only for dating Rory McIlroy she coulda had at least 3-4 slams under her belt by now...

:lol:

Juju Nostalgique
Dec 24th, 2012, 11:07 AM
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JarkaFish
Dec 24th, 2012, 11:07 AM
:hysteric: :hysteric: :hysteric:

I was thinking the same thing! :eek:

Sammo
Dec 24th, 2012, 11:11 AM
Hingis would have began slaying her since 1996 with or without stabbing

JarkaFish
Dec 24th, 2012, 11:15 AM
Hingis would have began slaying her since 1996 with or without stabbingJust like she slayed Graf, oh wait. :oh:


Why don't people discredit Hingis' slams due to Graf being injured?

Hingis never ever beat Graf in a major and was always her pigeon, an out of prime Graf came back from injury and beat prime Hingis in the FO final. :shrug:

Sammo
Dec 24th, 2012, 11:21 AM
^ Cause she proved she had the weapons to dismantle Graf's game and to defeat her in a Slam final, the only problem is that she choked and she gave the mummified toucan an extra GS for her collection.

JarkaFish
Dec 24th, 2012, 11:22 AM
^ Cause she proved she had the weapons to dismantle Graf's game and to defeat her in a Slam final, the only problem is that she choked and she gave the mummified toucan an extra GS for her collection.

Yeah and her lopsided h2h against Graf definitely reflects that. :rolleyes:

Hingis is just another Graf pigeon tbh.

JarkaFish
Dec 24th, 2012, 11:25 AM
"The weapons to dismantle Graf's game."

She had nothing to dismantle Graf's game, unless we're counting underhand serves as weapons now (and even that failed). :lol:

I'll give her credit for being the most creative Graf pigeon though.

Sammo
Dec 24th, 2012, 11:29 AM
Why am I even discussing with someone who has JarkaFish as his/her username? :spit:

Igorche
Dec 24th, 2012, 11:39 AM
Why am I even discussing with someone who has JarkaFish as his/her username? :spit:

:lol::lol:

Cajka
Dec 24th, 2012, 11:42 AM
:hysteric: :hysteric: :hysteric:

It noticed that too, so I checked his/her profile, it only serves for starting troll threads.

Beat
Dec 24th, 2012, 01:03 PM
Not again....:rolleyes:

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dsanders06
Dec 24th, 2012, 01:54 PM
:lol: This is gonna get so messy.

I agree though, but extending her dominance through 2000 is a bit of a reach. It's hard to imagine her dominating from '97 onward considering her H2H's with Hingis/Davenport/WS. She maybe would have beaten them enough to still win 1 slam per year until she retired (which probably would have been 2000 anyway) but by no means would she have still been dominating like she would have been from '91-'96. :shrug:

This is circular logic. The only reason she had such bad head-to-heads against those players was because of the stabbing/her decline.

The only one of those players who Peak Seles would've matched up badly with was Hingis. There's no reason to believe at her peak she would've matched up badly with the Williams sisters or Davenport.

Royals.
Dec 24th, 2012, 02:05 PM
:hysteric: :hysteric: :hysteric:

Exactly. :lol::lol:

JarkaFish
Dec 24th, 2012, 02:13 PM
Why am I even discussing with someone who has JarkaFish as his/her username? :spit::kiss:

I like Hingis, I also like reality as well.

miffedmax
Dec 24th, 2012, 02:49 PM
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