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AYUMI-GOAT
Dec 21st, 2012, 07:57 AM
A year on from her disappointing Australian summer, Sam Stosur says there’s no reason why she can’t bounce back and win the Australian Open.

“I’ve got as good a chance as any of the girls up there,” Stosur told AAP.

“I won the US Open last year, so why not? I know that I can compete and beat the best girls in the world, so I’d like to think it’s possible.”

Despite candidly confessing to stage fright after first-round losses in Sydney and Melbourne last January – following on from a second round exit in Brisbane – Stosur is brimming with belief entering 2013.

Far from shying away, Australia’s world No.9 is vowing to stare down her mental demons and says reliving the pain of last summer is pivotal to hurdling the psychological barriers next month.

“I think you’ve got to realise what happened and why and what you did wrong and what you can improve on to not make the same mistakes again this coming year,” she said.

“Last summer I just froze and played really tight tennis and wasn’t free. I was too passive and didn’t do what I needed to do.

“That has happened a few times and it’s a matter of realising that in the moment and just taking that chance to do more rather than letting your opponent continue to dictate.”

After urgings from coach David Taylor and ongoing sessions with her long-time sports psychologist, Ruth Anderson, Stosur has resolved to be more aggressive in the pressure points that will ultimately define her summer campaign.

“I don’t play my best tennis when I’m letting my opponent dictate,” she said.

“A lot of the top girls don’t, so you’ve got to realise that in the moment rather than when you’re off the court and thinking ‘I should have done this and I should have done that’.

“If I had a second chance, that’s the one thing I probably want to try and improve this year.”

Stosur insists “there’s no secret formula” to coping with the hype and expectations that inevitably accompany Australia’s big home hope at Melbourne Park.

“There’s no point in trying something completely new,” the Queenslander said.

“The key is you can’t go into one of the most important times of the year that you want to do well in and expect that doing something completely different is going to work,” she said.

“Obviously you tweak things here and there, but I’m not going to all of a sudden change my whole routine between points or anything like that.

“I don’t think that’s going to be beneficial.”

Stosur will open her summer at the Brisbane International on 30 December before contesting the Apia International Sydney the following week.

Both events have red-hot fields.

“Gosh, you can’t really get two tougher tournaments before a grand slam let alone the first one of the year,” Stosur said.

“It’s going to be really tough, a really good way to see the benchmark and what you’ve got to do to improve before Melbourne.

“But everything’s going well and I feel like I’m in a good spot at the moment with another week and a bit to go before Brisbane.

“I’m sure by the time I play my first match, I’ll be as ready as I’ll ever be.”

AYUMI-GOAT
Dec 21st, 2012, 07:59 AM
Watch her bomb out in R1 now :oh:

Sam L
Dec 21st, 2012, 07:59 AM
:hysteric:

Mugria
Dec 21st, 2012, 08:01 AM
Stranger things have happened :shrug:

Sharakim
Dec 21st, 2012, 08:10 AM
Then go do it.

lenas warriors
Dec 21st, 2012, 08:11 AM
“Last summer I just froze and played really tight tennis and wasn’t free. I was too passive and didn’t do what I needed to do.

“That has happened a few times...“

This again unfrtunately

L'Enfant Sauvage
Dec 21st, 2012, 08:25 AM
It's possible :shrug: The way she's been trying so hard to overcome her match-up masters like Maria, Vika, Venus(and succeeding at times,) says that she really does try to improve on her weaknesses. Same with I guess hitting her BH better at times this year :shrug: It's not likely with the 3 best players in the world seemingly in form and thriving down under, but she's beaten the odds before. And this isn't fan delusions or anything, I've always hated her game :lol:

Trickle
Dec 21st, 2012, 08:28 AM
No it will be a double bluff this time round because everyone expects her to fail again. She's telling you that she's going to do well expecting you to think she won't... and she actually does do well. :oh:

SilverPersian
Dec 21st, 2012, 08:36 AM
No it will be a double bluff this time round because everyone expects her to fail again. She's telling you that she's going to do well expecting you to think she won't... and she actually does do well. :oh:

This is so logical it must be true :worship:

I don't think the courts are great for Sam in Australia - both because of the surface and because of the thousands of screaming Aussies. It's going to be tough for her again, but I think it's time she had another decent run at the AO.

Saraya!
Dec 21st, 2012, 08:50 AM
Last year exactly the same words - and???

harloo
Dec 21st, 2012, 08:53 AM
:lol: The Shankster has been blessed with many gifts during her career and I know she's praying that lightening will strike once again granting her another slam but unfortunately the stars have aligned. No more freebies Stosur. Good luck with that, I'm pretty sure the top players are shaking in their boots.:tape::lol:

Chrissie-fan
Dec 21st, 2012, 08:59 AM
Last year exactly the same words - and???
Well, she didn't say that she WILL win the AO but that she CAN win the AO. There's a difference. In her mind there are pobably seven or eight who could win it, and she thinks she's one of them. Nothing wrong with that. It would be far more unusual if a former slam champ and runner-up had said that she has no chance.

Kairi
Dec 21st, 2012, 09:19 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha::haha: girl please.

Saraya!
Dec 21st, 2012, 09:25 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha::haha: girl please.

:lol:

Pops Maellard
Dec 21st, 2012, 09:36 AM
There are just far too many bad matchups for Stosur for this to realistically happen. Unless she has a fortunate draw with an injured opponent in the final :shrug::p.

Huntress55
Dec 21st, 2012, 11:16 AM
Well the good news is she cant do any worse than last year :p

Im obviously hoping for a better result this year but Im not expecting her to win AO or anything, babysteps.

JustPetko
Dec 21st, 2012, 11:38 AM
Oh, Sam :oh:

Petronius
Dec 21st, 2012, 11:40 AM
Sam for the title :rocker2:

oh yeah i guess
Dec 21st, 2012, 11:46 AM
Again, was she supposed to say that she hoped to just make the second or third round? Of course all these players will all say they can win a GS.

JarkaFish
Dec 21st, 2012, 11:46 AM
Just getting past first round would be an accomplishment.

:facepalm:

lenas warriors
Dec 21st, 2012, 11:48 AM
Shes after Chakvetadze's wooden spoon

Valanga
Dec 21st, 2012, 11:53 AM
Watch her lose to pliskova 1r

Jajaloo
Dec 21st, 2012, 11:57 AM
Once again, the quote has been taken out of context. The full quote:

I can win the Australian Open... on Top Spin 4. I have been playing it for the last month and think my player is finally in good form to hold the trophy.

Sabinator.
Dec 21st, 2012, 12:03 PM
First of all... she must beat all OVA's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCViT7CCERw

jrm
Dec 21st, 2012, 12:22 PM
being a nervous wreck at home country - don't think so

barmaid
Dec 21st, 2012, 12:22 PM
:lol: The Shankster has been blessed with many gifts during her career and I know she's praying that lightening will strike once again granting her another slam but unfortunately the stars have aligned. No more freebies Stosur. Good luck with that, I'm pretty sure the top players are shaking in their boots.:tape::lol:

Good post! Yes, they are all trembling:rolleyes: but Stosur has the 'tools' alas no self confidence or mental toughness to repeat I'm afraid....maybe she should try eating some raw kangaroo it just might work!:lol:

Barmaid:wavey:

AYUMI-GOAT
Dec 21st, 2012, 12:24 PM
Just getting past first round would be an accomplishment.

:facepalm:

Shes gotten to R4 before though...

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doomsday
Dec 21st, 2012, 12:46 PM
Only 3 players are allowed to say this and she is not one of them.

Serenita
Dec 21st, 2012, 12:59 PM
http://gifsoup.com/view1/1154476/nadal-federer-lol3-o.gif
:lol:

Imperfect Angel
Dec 21st, 2012, 01:07 PM
At least props to her for being so confident.;) Did Amelie say similar things too about her chance at FO?:oh:

Shuji Shuriken
Dec 21st, 2012, 01:10 PM
Anyone of the 128 persons in the draw CAN win the Aussie Open. But WILL she? I think not http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/advakidd/patki.gif

Yoncé
Dec 21st, 2012, 01:14 PM
Stranger things have happened :shrug:

Not really, no.

Maybe aim for this mixed title first Samantha Jane.

CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 21st, 2012, 01:15 PM
She can if she can keep her nerves in check ;)

GL Sammy! :rocker2:

stromatolite
Dec 21st, 2012, 01:23 PM
I think Sammy may have been gambling on the Mayan prophecy coming true when she made this statement;)

But seriously, why shouldn't she say this if a journo puts the question straight to her face? As a top-10 tennis player you're supposed to go into big tournaments believing you have a chance of winning. Anything less would be (to borrow a much-loved phrase around here) "bad for the WTA".

Cosmic Voices
Dec 21st, 2012, 01:29 PM
Only Serena has won her home slam recently - whose the last player to have done that?
I mean its unfortunate, if they had a slam in Russia I'm pretty sure there'd be multiple winners - and we have to wait at least a few more years for a Brit to win Wimbledon (if ever)

doomsday
Dec 21st, 2012, 01:48 PM
I mean its unfortunate, if they had a slam in Russia I'm pretty sure there'd be multiple winners - and we have to wait at least a few more years for a Brit to win Wimbledon (if ever)

Maria excluded :spit:


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The Dawntreader
Dec 21st, 2012, 01:52 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me24zraKwF1qd0jobo4_250.gif

Natural Joe
Dec 21st, 2012, 01:54 PM
Well, as a grand slam champion on HC it's not that absurd to think about winning another slam on the same surface. If she's playing at her best and has a bit of luck with the draw I believe she still has the game to win another slam. That said, I don't see her winning the AO in 2013 given how she's folded under the pressure this year and the fact that there are three heavy favorites for the title.

L'Enfant Sauvage
Dec 21st, 2012, 02:01 PM
Only Serena has won her home slam recently - whose the last player to have done that?
I mean its unfortunate, if they had a slam in Russia I'm pretty sure there'd be multiple winners - and we have to wait at least a few more years for a Brit to win Wimbledon (if ever)

V. Williams winning the 2000 + 2001 USO, and P. Pierce winning 2000 FO I think.

sweetadri06
Dec 21st, 2012, 02:02 PM
I kind of think Sam doesn't get enough respect here. She's made the final of two grand slams, winning one. So it's not out of the realm of possibility for her, and she must feel like she can do it again. But i agree that AO would be the least likely considering she folds under pressure at her home slam.

iWill
Dec 21st, 2012, 02:02 PM
http://gifsoup.com/view1/1154476/nadal-federer-lol3-o.gif

Hahaha perfect response!!

Mr.Sharapova
Dec 21st, 2012, 02:03 PM
http://gifsoup.com/view1/1154476/nadal-federer-lol3-o.gif

:lol::lol:

L'Enfant Sauvage
Dec 21st, 2012, 02:03 PM
Well, as a grand slam champion on HC it's not that absurd to think about winning another slam on the same surface. If she's playing at her best and has a bit of luck with the draw I believe she still has the game to win another slam. That said, I don't see her winning the AO in 2013 given how she's folded under the pressure this year and the fact that there are three heavy favorites for the title.

If nothing else, having 3 dominant favorites helps her chances :shrug: Being the underwhelming underdog definitely helped her win her fluke maiden slam last year.

young_gunner913
Dec 21st, 2012, 02:23 PM
2013 AO R1: Julia Cohen def Sam Stosur 0-6, 7-6, 10-8 saving 10 MPs. :lol:

NashaMasha
Dec 21st, 2012, 02:39 PM
16th January 2013 - Stosur: "I can't win the Australian Open"

marineblue
Dec 21st, 2012, 02:40 PM
Not so sure about that one, Sam.:scratch: (AO R1 Cirstea def. Stosur 7-6 6-3)

barcaforever12
Dec 21st, 2012, 02:40 PM
Go Sam!

FORZA SARITA
Dec 21st, 2012, 02:42 PM
who is the biggest troll, Stosur or Sammo?:hysteric:

ZeroSumGame
Dec 21st, 2012, 02:51 PM
Depending on luck of the draw, she could reach 1/4 or 1/2 ...but winning? Too farfetched. I wish she could just be quiet & let her game do the talking. Caro & Piotr were making the same predictions since the French Open ... but then Caro bombed outta the French Wimby Olympics USO etc coz they were doing too much talking :lol:

Gdsimmons
Dec 21st, 2012, 02:53 PM
http://i.imgur.com/E6Ab6.gif

Mistress of Evil
Dec 21st, 2012, 02:56 PM
Gosh, let the girl dream. Every single player from Watson to Oudin says that their goal is to be N1 and win a GS and every single time its the same all peasants join hands and want to skin them alive for daring to say such a blasphemy. In the particular case it is the heretics who are in full force demonising poor little Sammy for obvious reasons. I for one applaud Stosur and think that this is the right attitude.

On a side note, it is so much fun knowing about these dreams and seeing them turn into dust.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/2832ff8f3f4b46f1f3f23b3917558ee4/tumblr_mfbefwG8Z01riv5nao9_r1_250.gif

petey_pan
Dec 21st, 2012, 03:28 PM
Gosh, let the girl dream. Every single player from Watson to Oudin says that their goal is to be N1 and win a GS and every single time its the same all peasants join hands and want to skin them alive for daring to say such a blasphemy. In the particular case it is the heretics who are in full force demonising poor little Sammy for obvious reasons. I for one applaud Stosur and think that this is the right attitude.

On a side note, it is so much fun knowing about these dreams and seeing them turn into dust.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/2832ff8f3f4b46f1f3f23b3917558ee4/tumblr_mfbefwG8Z01riv5nao9_r1_250.gif

:yeah: her game revolves around being positive & confident :shrug: it also doesn't help that every single interview she has to give asks that question 'do you think you can win?' She has to say yes.

Chrissie-fan
Dec 21st, 2012, 03:41 PM
But seriously, why shouldn't she say this if a journo puts the question straight to her face? As a top-10 tennis player you're supposed to go into big tournaments believing you have a chance of winning. Anything less would be (to borrow a much-loved phrase around here) "bad for the WTA".
Exactly. The thing about giving interviews is that there is someone there asking questions. You would get the impression from the comments here that Sam walked into a press room Muhammad Ali style shouting from the top of her lungs, "I am the greatest!" But she really gave the only logical answer that she could give and that everyone else in her position also would give. If she had said the opposite the reactions on this thread would be similarly negative. But if for nothing else, at least this thread is good for bringing out the :oh::happy::haha: smilies plus gifs again and do a bit of bitching which is all that most are interested in doing anyway.

FiliNobrega
Dec 21st, 2012, 03:50 PM
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120721172502/glee/images/8/8d/No_you_won%27t.gif

Vincey!
Dec 21st, 2012, 04:10 PM
She's right. She CAN win the AO. She won't tho, but she sure can.

NashaMasha
Dec 21st, 2012, 04:16 PM
Stosur has the same problems as almost all players ranked behind number 3: they have woeful, miserable H2H vs top 3. Even if miracles happen and Stosur beats for instance Serena in QF , she will be crushed by Martha or Vika. WTA now looks more like ATP , the gap between top 3 and the rest is immense. Top 3 players can be not in form , after injuries , tired and not motivated and still beating other top 10 players like mugs

Chrissie-fan
Dec 21st, 2012, 04:48 PM
Stosur has the same problems as almost all players ranked behind number 3: they have woeful, miserable H2H vs top 3. Even if miracles happen and Stosur beats for instance Serena in QF , she will be crushed by Martha or Vika. WTA now looks more like ATP , the gap between top 3 and the rest is immense.
While that is true it would nevertheless be disappointing to hear relatively recent slam champions like Stosur and Li say that they can't win another one, or even a highly ranked player like Radwanska who hasn't yet won one. While the chance that anyone other than the top 3 (plus Kvitova) will win a slam in the forseeable future is not that big, those that come just behind them shouldn't just accept that but try to prove everybody wrong. They won't get very far with a "I can't do it" attitude.

NashaMasha
Dec 21st, 2012, 05:01 PM
While that is true it would nevertheless be disappointing to hear relatively recent slam champions like Stosur and Li say that they can't win another one, or even a highly ranked player like Radwanska who hasn't yet won one. While the chance that anyone other than the top 3 (plus Kvitova) will win a slam in the forseeable future is not that big, those that come just behind them shouldn't just accept that but try to prove everybody wrong. They won't get very far with a "I can't do it" attitude.

Stosur as well as Li Na have noticable chances to win FO , because Serena and Vika are not that dangerous on red clay and Sam/Li are playing better on clay

but AO ? no way , it will be won by 1 of top 3

kusiak
Dec 21st, 2012, 05:23 PM
Stosur has the same problems as almost all players ranked behind number 3: they have woeful, miserable H2H vs top 3. Even if miracles happen and Stosur beats for instance Serena in QF , she will be crushed by Martha or Vika. WTA now looks more like ATP , the gap between top 3 and the rest is immense. Top 3 players can be not in form , after injuries , tired and not motivated and still beating other top 10 players like mugs

Only in Serena's case it's true. She beats every players like mugs including Vika and Maria. Vika can easily beat Aga and the rest, but can loose to Maria, and Maria can be beaten by Aga...I think the tour is quite open. Last year it was all about Serena being motivated or not, and Vika with Maria took their chances in AO and FO. 2013 could be very different...still my bet is Serena winning 2 or 3 slams but other than that imo everything will be open for 5-10 players to win.

Blackowl_1
Dec 21st, 2012, 05:28 PM
And I want to be president of United States.I guess we're both very desperate to achieve something :P

Israel
Dec 21st, 2012, 05:35 PM
Did she already forget what happened the last time she said it?

Doully
Dec 21st, 2012, 05:36 PM
Love you Sam but as far as I'm concerned, your 2013 starts @ Doha.

Sammo
Dec 21st, 2012, 06:20 PM
Obviously, she's defeated or almost defeated (Vika) everyone in contention for it :lol: Of course she can, it's stupid to say she can't. It wouldn't be stupid to laugh at someone who says she will though, considering how she did last year :unsure:

Mr.Sharapova
Dec 21st, 2012, 06:37 PM
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad151/Milot_Sheremeti/tumblr_m0av6hjaNl1qee7ixo4_250.gif

Drake1980
Dec 21st, 2012, 07:03 PM
omg why are people laughing and being so cruel. Of course she can win it. I'm not saying she will but she is certainly one of the top contenders.

NashaMasha
Dec 21st, 2012, 07:06 PM
Only in Serena's case it's true. She beats every players like mugs including Vika and Maria. Vika can easily beat Aga and the rest, but can loose to Maria, and Maria can be beaten by Aga...I think the tour is quite open. Last year it was all about Serena being motivated or not, and Vika with Maria took their chances in AO and FO. 2013 could be very different...still my bet is Serena winning 2 or 3 slams but other than that imo everything will be open for 5-10 players to win.

Maria is 8-2 vs Aga , it's what is called lopsided H2H . But of course to beat Radwanksa Sharapova should play her best , as she is inconvenient opponent
As for speaking about Tour "quite open" you are completely wrong

pls just tell me what titles were won not by a member of top 3? (from tournaments which were attened by at least 2 of top 3 players) in 2012?

i can't remember anything except Radwanska's Miami, but she is #4 and was close to join top 3 before her decline in the end of the season

dsanders06
Dec 21st, 2012, 08:42 PM
She has an outside shot of a slam this year, but it ain't gonna be here.

That said, we live in a world where even Heather Watson goes into Slams claiming she can win them, so :shrug:

binky-GOAT
Dec 21st, 2012, 10:06 PM
:happy:

CoryAnnAvants#1
Dec 21st, 2012, 10:08 PM
She won't win it, but I do think she's very capable of reaching the quarters here for the first time.

She NEEDS to start having good results here because they certainly aren't happening at Wimbledon. Would be a real shame to have her bomb in 2 out of 4 slams every year...

ReboundAce
Dec 21st, 2012, 10:34 PM
Someone needs antipsychotics ? Crazy much :lol:

dragonflies
Dec 22nd, 2012, 06:35 AM
If nothing else, having 3 dominant favorites helps her chances :shrug: Being the underwhelming underdog definitely helped her win her fluke maiden slam last year.





Last year at the USO everything lined up in Sam's favor. Vika was playing very well, but taken out by Serena. Maria bombed out early. Venus was absent. Kvitova was in her post Slam let down. Serena took out Sam's nemesis then played bad in the final. Plus Sam was flying under the radar being in good form all the summer with no pressure coming in.





This year will be a totally different story. All those aforementioned players are back and in good form. They are all ranked high so they can't run into each other early ( except Venus). OTOH, Sam's form dropped considerably in 2012 comparing to her previous year. Her forehand became a bit weaker, groundstrokes a bit less penetrating, movement wise was not as fresh/ quick like before. The home pressure doesn't help either.




Sam can say something along the line " I'm in good shape and ready to give my best shot/ compete for the title". Saying what she said was not very wise.

Julian.
Dec 22nd, 2012, 06:43 AM
Watch her bomb out in R1 now :oh:

This :hysteric::spit:

Fretchap
Dec 22nd, 2012, 06:47 AM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/535e5345d4667e1adcba2db1e8510270/tumblr_mf04hoPw5C1ql5yr7o8_250.gif

There's not a chance this is gonna happen.

Talula
Dec 22nd, 2012, 04:22 PM
I'd rather Sam wins the AO than Murray win Wimbledon.

JarkaFish
Dec 22nd, 2012, 04:50 PM
I'd rather Sam wins the AO than Murray win Wimbledon.

Too bad Murray is far more likely to win Wimby than Sam win the AO.

oneshot
Dec 22nd, 2012, 05:16 PM
I'd say she's EASILY the least likely top 10 to win the AO. I mean it's not even a question of likelihood. Her NOT winning the AO is one of the surest things of 2013. Even Errani has a better shot :oh:

Roookie
Dec 22nd, 2012, 05:30 PM
She's playing with the media which is smart. But to me this says that she knows she'll never win it.

Barktra
Dec 22nd, 2012, 06:47 PM
http://gifsoup.com/view7/3119469/vanslava2-o.gif

@danieln1
Dec 22nd, 2012, 06:50 PM
She has better chances in Paris, and if she plays like 2011, in New York too.

Melbourne is immense pressure for her, and Wimbledon, 3rd Round is more than good for her :secret:

oneshot
Dec 22nd, 2012, 06:57 PM
It's weird though because the surface should suit her beautifully. It's the closest hardcourt to clay. It takes topspin extremely well. Too bad it's her hometown yet she doesn't feed off it like, for example, Venus did in the early noughties. She's no slouch on HCs.

She's hilarious on grass though :spit: she should just skip Wimbledon and give her seed to someone worthier. Never have I seen a player's game so neutralized by a surface as Stosur's is.

bobito
Dec 22nd, 2012, 07:03 PM
I really feel for Stosur come the Aussie Open. It must be terrible to be from on of the grand slam nations and not be able to control your nerves in front of your home crowd. Mauresmo went through the same thing.

stromatolite
Dec 22nd, 2012, 07:23 PM
I think the whole home crowd nerves thing is being overblown here. For sure, Sam got tight in her first round loss to Cirstea last year, but don't forget that was her first slam after winning the USO.

Fact is, she did about as well in her first slam after becoming a slam champ as Kvitova, Li and Schiavone before her. Being a home slam probably made matters worse, but actually she'd always done reasonably well in Australia prior to that. In fact, before to her 2009 SF in Paris the AO was her best slam by a considerable margin.

On the other hand, the change from rebound ace to plexicushion has really hurt her I think. In contrast to the decoturf in NY, which really responds amazingly well to her kicker and topspin FH (especially Ashe), those shots lose most of their zip on the plexicushion. Grass is actually a better surface for her than plexicushion.

Given the fact that Serena, Vika, Maria and a bunch of others do play well on plexicushion, she's a very long shot for the AO at best. But I don't think nerves will have a lot to do with that.

oneshot
Dec 22nd, 2012, 07:26 PM
Grass is actually a better surface for her than plexicushion.

http://i56.tinypic.com/4puycw.gif

stromatolite
Dec 22nd, 2012, 07:29 PM
http://i56.tinypic.com/4puycw.gif

I can't compete with analysis at this level. Impressive.

Sammo
Dec 22nd, 2012, 07:33 PM
Grass is actually a better surface for her than plexicushion.


http://im.videosearch.rediff.com/thumbImage/videoImages/videoImages1/youtube/rdhash1007/TbCad3O7uMY.gif

Eh...

stromatolite
Dec 22nd, 2012, 07:35 PM
http://im.videosearch.rediff.com/thumbImage/videoImages/videoImages1/youtube/rdhash1007/TbCad3O7uMY.gif

Eh...

Again, some advanced argumentation.

Sammo
Dec 22nd, 2012, 07:42 PM
Again, some advanced argumentation.

It's Carmen Kass, using her image automatically means winning the argument

http://gifsoup.com/view4/1794945/carmen-kass-dior-o.gif

Seriously though, she's comfortably made it to the 4rd round in plexicushion eventually losing to Serena 6-4 6-2 in 2010, having made it to the 3rd round in 2009 losing to Dementieva in a contested match and having missed the 2008 AO due to the Lyme disease thing, and then in 2011 she made it to the 3rd losing to Kvitova something like 7-6 6-3; at Wimbledon she barely made it to the 3rd round once saving match points against Tatjana Malek in the 2nd round, just no comparison really.

heavyhorse
Dec 22nd, 2012, 07:52 PM
Too bad Murray is far more likely to win Wimby than Sam win the AO.

That's because Murray is a better player than most of his opponents; Sam isn't.

Sammo
Dec 22nd, 2012, 07:54 PM
She's playing with the media which is smart. But to me this says that she knows she'll never win it.

Sorry but only a loser would assume that she can't win a tournament. And Sam's career says otherwise so I doubt it.

AcesHigh
Dec 22nd, 2012, 07:55 PM
Well.. at least she's positive.

stromatolite
Dec 22nd, 2012, 08:02 PM
It's Carmen Kass, using her image automatically means winning the argument

http://gifsoup.com/view4/1794945/carmen-kass-dior-o.gif

I don't know who that is, but I'll take your word for it:)

Seriously though, she's comfortably made it to the 4rd round in plexicushion eventually losing to Serena 6-4 6-2 in 2010, having made it to the 3rd round in 2009 losing to Dementieva in a contested match and having missed the 2008 AO due to the Lyme disease thing, and then in 2011 she made it to the 3rd losing to Kvitova something like 7-6 6-3; at Wimbledon she barely made it to the 3rd round once saving match points against Tatjana Malek in the 2nd round, just no comparison really.

I don't really want to labour the point about whether grass or plexicushion is worse, it's secondary to my main point that they're both worse for her than clay or decoturf. Sam can play on any surface if she believes in herself, so her relatively good results in Melbourne aren't that surprising, unless of course you believe that she suffers from home-crowd nerves, which, in general, she doesn't.

It's her bad performances at Wimbledon that's the anomaly, anybody who watched her self-destruct in the 3rd set against Rus after blitzing her in the second knows that it wasn't an inability to play on grass that did her in, she just fucked up big time.

AcesHigh
Dec 22nd, 2012, 08:07 PM
Stosur's game isn't built for grass. Anyone who has watched her on the surface can tell that. On hardcourts, at least that kick serve has something to grab onto.

stromatolite
Dec 22nd, 2012, 08:18 PM
True, grass is not good for Sam's game, but she is capable of better results than she's had. She's not ever likely to win the Wimbledon title, but 3rd or 4th round, with a bit of luck maybe an occasional QF, should be doable if she believed in herself a bit more on the surface. But she doesn't, so she won't.

Sammo
Dec 22nd, 2012, 08:21 PM
True, grass is not good for Sam's game, but she is capable of better results than she's had. She's not ever likely to win the Wimbledon title, but 3rd or 4th round, with a bit of luck maybe an occasional QF, should be doable if she believed in herself a bit more on the surface. But she doesn't, so she won't.

I absolutely agree with that

binky-GOAT
Dec 22nd, 2012, 09:33 PM
Sam cannot adjust to grass, that is her problem, it is technical not mental.

Sure she does ok when the ball sits up mid court, but when opponents hit the ball flat and low at the baseline, start slicing, and going into deeper rallies, whenever there is inconsistent bounce (which there always is on grass) she makes an error.


You see a lot of players on grass who have these weird movements/squats that they sometimes do, and they end up just pushing the ball back rather than hitting a forceful shot, that is called adjusting to the ball. Sam doesn't have the talent to be able to do that.

Flavia P.
Dec 22nd, 2012, 10:36 PM
I don't think Sam has the game to make 3rd/4th rounds consistently on grass. She's too stiff and mechanical to be a good grass player and her spin doesn't seem to bite off the court nearly as well as on clay/HC and leaves her shots vulnerable to be countered. She also doesn't have the time to hit over her BH and feel comfortable with it.

SilverPersian
Dec 23rd, 2012, 02:42 AM
Sam cannot adjust to grass, that is her problem, it is technical not mental.


There are certainly physical aspects of Sam's game that will mean that grass will never be Sam's preferred surface.

I don't know if you watched Sam's losses on grass this year, but in literally all of them she was getting into winning positions and then tightening up for no reason. Her performance against CSN at Wimbledon and the second set against Rus show that she can be at least an ok grasscourt player (although, yes, I do know that grass is not a great surface for either of CSN or Rus), but she just didn't have the belief to maintain that standard over the course of entire matches.

I think that she can adjust her game to grass to a reasonable level, but when she gets a bit nervous she reverts back to her usual playing style which results in passivity and errors.

dsanders06
Dec 23rd, 2012, 02:57 AM
I think the whole home crowd nerves thing is being overblown here. For sure, Sam got tight in her first round loss to Cirstea last year, but don't forget that was her first slam after winning the USO.

Fact is, she did about as well in her first slam after becoming a slam champ as Kvitova, Li and Schiavone before her. Being a home slam probably made matters worse, but actually she'd always done reasonably well in Australia prior to that. In fact, before to her 2009 SF in Paris the AO was her best slam by a considerable margin.

On the other hand, the change from rebound ace to plexicushion has really hurt her I think. In contrast to the decoturf in NY, which really responds amazingly well to her kicker and topspin FH (especially Ashe), those shots lose most of their zip on the plexicushion. Grass is actually a better surface for her than plexicushion.

Given the fact that Serena, Vika, Maria and a bunch of others do play well on plexicushion, she's a very long shot for the AO at best. But I don't think nerves will have a lot to do with that.

I don't agree grass is better than her than Plexicushion, but I agree that her game is fundamentally better suited to the US Open courts than the AO. It's a misconcepton that speed is the most important factor for Stosur's game; it's more about how 'grippy' a surface is (aka: how receptive it is to topspin), and Plexicushion despite being slow has a low bounce and tends to neutralise topspin. It's the same reason Kuznetsova has always had much more success in New York than on Plexicushion.

Alizé Molik
Dec 23rd, 2012, 03:32 AM
I love how members on this forum speak as though they can fortell the future. Surely Sam winning the AO is unlikely but it is not impossible. Women's tennis has never been and will never be that easy to predict with such absolute certainty.

stromatolite
Dec 23rd, 2012, 06:04 AM
There are certainly physical aspects of Sam's game that will mean that grass will never be Sam's preferred surface.

I don't know if you watched Sam's losses on grass this year, but in literally all of them she was getting into winning positions and then tightening up for no reason. Her performance against CSN at Wimbledon and the second set against Rus show that she can be at least an ok grasscourt player (although, yes, I do know that grass is not a great surface for either of CSN or Rus), but she just didn't have the belief to maintain that standard over the course of entire matches.

I think that she can adjust her game to grass to a reasonable level, but when she gets a bit nervous she reverts back to her usual playing style which results in passivity and errors.

I think the bottom line is that grass doesn't suit her game very well, but that Sam has blown that up in her head into a bigger problem than it is. Of course she's got no chance of beating a Kvitova, Williams, Azarenka or Sharapova on grass, but no way she should be losing to a Rus or Saurez Navarro.

I don't agree grass is better than her than Plexicushion, but I agree that her game is fundamentally better suited to the US Open courts than the AO. It's a misconcepton that speed is the most important factor for Stosur's game; it's more about how 'grippy' a surface is (aka: how receptive it is to topspin), and Plexicushion despite being slow has a low bounce and tends to neutralise topspin. It's the same reason Kuznetsova has always had much more success in New York than on Plexicushion.

Thanks, this explains what I was trying to say better than I managed to, especially the importance of grippiness as opposed to speed.

bobito
Dec 23rd, 2012, 08:21 AM
I think the whole home crowd nerves thing is being overblown here. For sure, Sam got tight in her first round loss to Cirstea last year, but don't forget that was her first slam after winning the USO.

Fact is, she did about as well in her first slam after becoming a slam champ as Kvitova, Li and Schiavone before her. Being a home slam probably made matters worse, but actually she'd always done reasonably well in Australia prior to that. In fact, before to her 2009 SF in Paris the AO was her best slam by a considerable margin.

The last time she beat a top 50 ranked player at the Aussie Open was 2006. Back when she was a doubles specialist, little was expected of her and Australian singles hopes rested firmly on the shoulders of Alica Molik, her results in her home slam were better. She might even have benefited from the home crowd under those circumstances. But, since she has been a force in singles and there has been greater expectation, she has fallen to the first decent opponent on every occasion (and a couple of not so decent ones). How much of that is down to nerves is impossible to say I suppose but her results in the Aussie Open have gotten worse in recent years as her results elsewhere (Wimbledon aside) have improved.

On the other hand, the change from rebound ace to plexicushion has really hurt her I think. In contrast to the decoturf in NY, which really responds amazingly well to her kicker and topspin FH (especially Ashe), those shots lose most of their zip on the plexicushion. Grass is actually a better surface for her than plexicushion.

I'll do you the honour of responding with words rather than a gif. For a player whose game is so heavily reliant upon topspin, there is surely no surface that comes close to grass in nullifying her strengths (save perhaps carpet which is hardly used these days). Her results on the green stuff reflect that.

Having said that, in the last couple of years Stosur has done a good job of working on other aspects of her game, particularly her backhand. I also think she's gained some confidence in that regard. In the match against Robson at the US Open she put away the kick serve out wide to the ad court and the inside out forehand because they would have been playing to Robson's favourite shot (running forehand down the line). A year and a half ago there is no way that Stosur would have attempted a game plan that wasn't heavily reliant on those two shots.

stromatolite
Dec 23rd, 2012, 08:49 AM
The last time she beat a top 50 ranked player at the Aussie Open was 2006. Back when she was a doubles specialist, little was expected of her and Australian singles hopes rested firmly on the shoulders of Alica Molik, her results in her home slam were better. She might even have benefited from the home crowd under those circumstances. But, since she has been a force in singles and there has been greater expectation, she has fallen to the first decent opponent on every occasion (and a couple of not so decent ones). How much of that is down to nerves is impossible to say I suppose but her results in the Aussie Open have gotten worse in recent years as her results elsewhere (Wimbledon aside) have improved.

The implication I'm reading here is that the home crowd nerves have only started since she became a real contender at the highest level. That could be true, but I wouldn't count losses to top seed Serena in 2010* and eventual player of the year Kvitova in 2011 as bad losses, and her early losses have prevented her from playing any other high-ranked players, so I don't really think there is any meaningful trend here yet in terms of her performance compared to the other slams. Even Cirstea played probably one of her best matches to beat her last year, although Sam definitely helped her by playing badly herself. If Sam plays badly in 2013 and bombs out early again your theory might start to look plausible.

*Prior to that she was pretty much regarded as a doubles specialist who dabbled in singles.

I'll do you the honour of responding with words rather than a gif. For a player whose game is so heavily reliant upon topspin, there is no surface that comes close to grass in nullifying her strengths (save perhaps carpet which is hardly used these days). Her results on the green stuff reflect that.

Having said that, in the last couple of years Stosur has done a good job of working on other aspects of her game, particularly her backhand. I also think she's gained some confidence in that regard. In the match against Robson at the US Open she put away the kick serve out wide to the ad court and the inside out forehand because they would have been playing to Robson's favourite shot (running forehand down the line). A year and a half ago there is no way that Stosur would have attempted a game plan that wasn't heavily reliant on those two shots.

I'm starting to regret my throwaway comment that plexicushion is worse for her than grass. That said, I don't think plexicushion is much better, if at all. The plexicushion nullifies her topspin as well, but in a different way. The main difference is the speed: grass is much quicker, which if anything helps her a little because the opponent has less time to respond. Although plexicushion grips more than grass, the ball still loses most of its zip, and also its speed, which means that the opponent has plenty of time to move into position and put it away. However, the flip side of that is that players who hit fast, low and deep on grass deprive Sam of the time she needs to set up her FH in the first place. If anything tips the balance in favour of plexicushion, it's this.

But as you said, the improvements she has made in her game should give her the ability to compete at least to some extent on any surface. So her bad losses are predominantly down to nerves and/or loss of confidence. But I don't think that's a uniquely Australian problem.

eDonkey
Dec 23rd, 2012, 09:14 AM
“I’ve got as good a chance as any of the girls up there,” Stosur told AAP.

“I won the US Open last year, so why not? I know that I can compete and beat the best girls in the world, so I’d like to think it’s possible.”
Nothing wrong with that.

OP :o

vixter
Dec 23rd, 2012, 09:57 AM
I love how members on this forum speak as though they can fortell the future. Surely Sam winning the AO is unlikely but it is not impossible. Women's tennis has never been and will never be that easy to predict with such absolute certainty.

Yeah true, but this would be a dull place if everyone said "I'm not sure, the future will tell" :D

JarkaFish
Dec 23rd, 2012, 10:00 AM
She can't even win the HP Japan Open 2012.

:oh:

doomsday
Dec 23rd, 2012, 10:03 AM
You're new here, so might not know this, but homophobic posts don't go down very well on this forum. If you want to stick around a bit longer, you might want to keep witty comments like this to yourself in future.

She isn't.

stromatolite
Dec 23rd, 2012, 10:11 AM
She isn't.

Didn't realize that, thanks;)

SilverPersian
Dec 23rd, 2012, 10:17 AM
She can't even win the HP Japan Open.

:oh:

Ummm ... :scratch:

JarkaFish
Dec 23rd, 2012, 10:18 AM
Ummm ... :scratch:

Oh god I didn't know she'd won it before. :lol:

monri
Dec 23rd, 2012, 10:48 AM
She isn't.

Sorry?

oneshot
Dec 23rd, 2012, 11:57 AM
Plexicushion despite being slow has a low bounce and tends to neutralise topspin.



Even though I agree that court speed is a secondary variable in Stosur's game, plexicushion does have in fact a higher bounce than decoturf. It's very clear from watching matches there (the camera angle at Arthur Ashe is extremely deceptive) and there are also tons of videos and reconstructions showing the bounces. I recall one used at the London Master's last year where they showed the three different bounces produced at the AO, the USO and the O2 Arena, with the AO being the highest, the USO the second and the O2 Arena the lowest bouncing.

I will add though that Sam does benefit from that extra time to load up on the forehand, even though she has no problem whatsoever with being rushed on that side because her swing is extremely compact, much like Kuznetsova.

Grass is disastrous for her game. Despite being a good volleyer, she never manages to get to the net to finish off a point because any flat hitter will have balls bouncing at the perfect height because Stosur's spin actually helps her opponents.

I mean, she lost to a spanish claycourter on grass this year. That just says it all really.

stromatolite
Dec 23rd, 2012, 12:24 PM
I mean, she lost to a spanish claycourter on grass this year. That just says it all really.

She thrashed that same Spanish claycourter on the same surface (same court I think, but can't be sure) just a month earlier. I think that says more tbh;)

SilverSlam
Dec 23rd, 2012, 12:28 PM
^ It was a smaller court (court 2 I believe for their first match) and the court 1 for the latter at the Olympics.

stromatolite
Dec 23rd, 2012, 12:39 PM
^Thanks.:)

Doesn't change my point though. You can't explain her hot and cold performances against the same players (Saurez Navarro Wimbledon-Olympics, Rus 2nd-3rd set at Wimbledon) just by saying she can't play on grass. It's much more a mental thing.

SilverSlam
Dec 23rd, 2012, 12:42 PM
Same can be said about that RG SF. She played great in the second, and that was it.

Yoncé
Dec 23rd, 2012, 12:48 PM
Her biggest problem mentality wise is that she really struggles to comprehend situations where she is the favourite on the big stage.

stromatolite
Dec 23rd, 2012, 12:54 PM
Same can be said about that RG SF. She played great in the second, and that was it.

Exactly.

Getting back to the OP article, if Sam could really stay consistently aggressive on pressure points (big if:unsure:) she could do some damage on any surface.

Realistically, RG and USO are probably the only slams she could actually win, but IMO there really isn't much reason she can't make the second week at the other two as well if she can just stop getting so damned tentative.

madmax
Dec 23rd, 2012, 01:22 PM
theoretically speaking, AO plexicushion is very good for Stosur's game - slow, moderately high bouncing hardcourt, just how she likes it. The problem is that this court also suits tall big hitters as well, who have plenty of time to unload their strokes. That's why she is pretty much doomed if she meets Sharapova/Kvitova/Azarenka on her path. Her only chance is to hope for a draw to fall apart and take advantage of it - not impossible, seeing as how it already happened last year at Flushing Meadows

Gaby Gasparyan
Dec 23rd, 2012, 01:43 PM
I'm still perplexed to how she ever won the USO.....so if she says she can walk on water, I believe her

kjsulliv
Dec 23rd, 2012, 06:25 PM
Good luck to her, but...I don't see it happening. How many non-slam titles has she won?

NashaMasha
Dec 23rd, 2012, 07:28 PM
Good luck to her, but...I don't see it happening. How many non-slam titles has she won?

2 tournaments , one Premier (Tier 2) and one International (Tier 3)

WeiWei
Dec 23rd, 2012, 07:30 PM
She's adding more pressure in herself. Watch her being bagelled by some scrubs in AO this time.

charmedRic
Dec 23rd, 2012, 11:11 PM
http://gifsoup.com/view1/1154476/nadal-federer-lol3-o.gif

:rolls:

Doully
Dec 24th, 2012, 12:22 AM
Get that saggy old Court-obsessed skank out of this forum already.

misty1
Dec 24th, 2012, 12:30 AM
good for her

Shvedbarilescu
Jan 7th, 2013, 09:35 AM
She's not refering to the wooden spoon, is she?

Yoncé
Jan 7th, 2013, 09:37 AM
I wonder if she still feels this way...

Stubsy probably still does.

Serenita
Jan 7th, 2013, 11:43 AM
:lol:

doomsday
Jan 7th, 2013, 11:46 AM
2 tournaments , one Premier (Tier 2) and one International (Tier 3)

I still can't believe Stosur has only 3 Titles. Serena, what have you done ? :lol:

le bon vivant
Jan 7th, 2013, 11:56 AM
I still can't believe Stosur has only 3 Titles. Serena, what have you done ? :lol:Seriously injured. :lol:

bandabou
Jan 7th, 2013, 12:44 PM
At this point not even mixed-doubles. :o But stranger things have happened. :lol:

swim4life227
Jan 17th, 2013, 02:57 AM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyhc0nJoms1ql5yr7o1_400.gif

ZeroSumGame
Jan 17th, 2013, 03:07 AM
Stosur's a good player, she's just not consistent on her results, she needs a brain asap!

iWill
Jan 17th, 2013, 03:14 AM
Umm yeah so much for that Sammy, but we all knew what she was going to do when she showed up in Melbourne.

Serena how could you lose that USO to her?? I'm convinced it was because it was played on 9/11/11

carling
Jan 17th, 2013, 03:27 AM
Two words for Sam: Bitch, please.

Temperenka
Jan 17th, 2013, 03:39 AM
Stosur's a good player, she's just not consistent on her results, she needs a brain asap!

Sadly, I think if a player remains brainless this deep into their career, it can be considered terminal. See Petrova or Kuznetsova.

The mental hurdle of playing in Australia is one that I don't see Sam ever clearing.