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mikireturns
Dec 18th, 2012, 09:55 AM
... And I love me some Chrissie -- people who do not actually PLAY tennis think the greats from "wood racket days" were pushers or backboards.

Oh no honey. In Evert's case, she was a devastatingly belligerent, take-control-and-humiliate-your-opponent demon who actually had immense genius and power (in her day) to thwart the Billie Jeans and Margaret Courts and Martinas, etc.

But I also think she might be an enormous bi--t*

As a commentator, she has been giving her opinions since 1990, and let us face it: if anybody can tell you, by observing, how a high-stakes point is being constructed or ended, Evert is UNBELIEVABLY incisive.

Sure.

But, just as often as she makes stunning, informative comment about the Ydeep, dark heart of a match, or a point ... She will then say something completely catty, wicked, witchy, or just plain stupid.

What gives? She (Being the Queen of Genius Tennis) gives you deep excellence and, a minute later, she makes you wonder if she is not a tawdry gum-chewing high school cheerleader.

Has anyone else sensed this Evert Conundrum (and I worship the woman as a genius) ...
???

Saraya!
Dec 18th, 2012, 09:57 AM
Best expert ever.

Kuzzy24
Dec 18th, 2012, 10:13 AM
Genius, even though she has some moments

mikireturns
Dec 18th, 2012, 11:13 AM
Wow ... Yes, thank you for input. So many seem to dismiss her as a commentator, but I believe in "let's look at the actual evidence" and, based on that, she's amazing.

For example, I watched the NBC coverage of Graf vs. Seles @ the French Open 1990 (!) and Chrissie went front WICKED good comments ... To catty bits. It was fascinating and revealing.

You clearly got the sense: nobody else on earth except HER could tell you what a player is trying to do at a certain juncture, but then her prejudices would come into it (because she was relatively new to the "booth" in 1990).

In a sense it is interesting because one can infer from Evert so much about the real "killer" champions, because she herself was just a merciless killer. On court she was ... Just dread and destruction across the net. So clinical in her ability to ruin or often outright humiliate an opponent.

Well, that is why someone can actually get 18 Slam titles (13 consecutive years as a Slam winner -- probably the most amazing stat in sport ... Jack Nicklaus said Evert's 13 straight years winning at least one major was the most potent stat in sports, and not faint praise, from him) and she does have the best Open Era winning percentage: 90% of her matches.

But her skills as a commentator have developed. I liked her more in the early days ... When she wasn't politically correct. But in listening to the commentary, one could also see that she was grumpy and difficult.

But, if you are Chris Evert, you have really earned the right to be a bit touchy.

I like the Mary Carillo type that can analyze the game and produce witticisms and Bon mots ... But Carillo never in a million years knew what it was like to be fighting, down a break, for a Slam title. Certainly not regularly.

Evert gives absolute commentary gems ... But then she fluctuates to silliness.

It's quite remarkable to behold, but I think she is the reason that women's tennis exists.

Billie Jean (and a few pals) made political inroads for the women's game, but the whole tour itself? The money and the endorsements and the clothes and the TV deals?

You can hang all of that on one person and one person only -- Chris Evert.

Though she is sometimes a bewildering commentator, she is the total and absolute reason the girls can make big $$$.

And she was also in the running for GOAT, along with Steffi and Martina, for the Open Era.

What a woman.

GAGAlady
Dec 18th, 2012, 06:02 PM
Someone's kissing Chrissy's ass.


She was a legend in tennis- as a player

That's it. She's not a legend in commentating she never was never will be. She's mediocre at best.


She never played these players , often times she commentates and the matches u can clearly tell she barely knows who one of the opponents even is, how to correctly say there name, what there game is about ect ect... Basic stuff you should know really. And that's just for starters.

So no, I don't think she's the best or one of the best, she's ok. The only reason she's there is because of her name, not her ability. That's for sure

GAGAlady
Dec 18th, 2012, 06:05 PM
Personality is important true, but u have to be able to have the facts as well u can't just show up with your coffee and go " who the fuck am I commentating on? Who? Who's that girl again? Oh gee, another Russian I have no clue who it is... It isn't sharapova, shit."


And u know every has done this...

Sammo
Dec 18th, 2012, 06:12 PM
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120929050855/dragonball/images/thumb/8/81/Genius-meme.png/998px-Genius-meme.png

Excelscior
Dec 18th, 2012, 06:13 PM
-Total witch on wheels.

-Virtually unprepared for most the majors she comments on.

-Rarely knows any players games outside of Serena, Venus, Masha, and maybe Vika (now that she's #1 and cause she played in Florida for a while), and Petra--caused she's been forced to see her play in so many Majors the past two years. However, even when she is given research, it's usually wrong anyway, and Chris is too far removed from the game to know better or correct it.

-Makes, crazy statements about players, based off of one match she sees.

-And you can tell by listening to her, she's not even sure what she's saying.

-Gives good insight on her previous experiences, and even relating them to current players. And she should leave it there.

-Otherwise, she's a dismal tennis commentator. And ESPN should have fired her after her first year, unless they retain her as "entertainment", sorta like they do with Pam Shriver.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Dec 18th, 2012, 06:20 PM
she is the total and absolute reason the girls can make big $$$.
What a woman.

Really? She's the main reason that the girls can make the big money? Ever heard of Billie Jean King?

ZeroSumGame
Dec 18th, 2012, 06:36 PM
Really? She's the main reason that the girls can make the big money? Ever heard of Billie Jean King?

Yesss!!!! BJK & Venus in their quest for equal prize $$

I've watched countless matches where she could hardly pronounce names of the Spaniards & East Europeans! Her commentary seems to always favor the big viewer draw cards, big gamers, big $$ makers ala SERENA, MARIA, & VENUS, occasionally Wozniacki (but often critical of her game during matches).

RVD
Dec 18th, 2012, 06:57 PM
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120929050855/dragonball/images/thumb/8/81/Genius-meme.png/998px-Genius-meme.pngPretty much sums it up for me as well.
Bitch can't even remain impartial long enough to commentate on the most basic level most times.
But she's been discussed before, and at length, so I won't bother with revisiting her in all of her glorious skankiness.

Manitou
Dec 18th, 2012, 07:04 PM
She is good. Objective and knowledgeable. Million times better than Mary Joe who openly worships mindless ballbashers and blatantly belittles anybody more sophisticated.
Actually Mary Joe is even more annoying than that - she picks the winner even before the match actually starts, and then is exclusively commenting that "winner" constantly ignoring and belittling the other player, even when her favorite is obviously losing.
I would even understand her logic if she was using the current ranking in picking that "winner", but the problem is that she is off by a factor of several years. She doesn't realize that for example Jankovic or Ivanovic are players of the distant past, for her they are still favorites against the new, and currently much better, generation of players. It seems she needs three years of the player being on the top to actually start giving them more attention.



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JCTennisFan
Dec 18th, 2012, 07:07 PM
She overall does a decent job.

She does not always know what she is talking about, however.

miffedmax
Dec 18th, 2012, 07:28 PM
She's entertaining, sometimes inadvertently.

Anyway, she can be both, and often is.

Jane Lane
Dec 18th, 2012, 08:49 PM
-Total witch on wheels.

-Virtually unprepared for most the majors she comments on.

-Rarely knows any players games outside of Serena, Venus, Masha, and maybe Vika (now that she's #1 and cause she played in Florida for a while), and Petra--caused she's been forced to see her play in so many Majors the past two years. However, even when she is given research, it's usually wrong anyway, and Chris is too far removed from the game to know better or correct it.

-Makes, crazy statements about players, based off of one match she sees.

-And you can tell by listening to her, she's not even sure what she's saying.

-Gives good insight on her previous experiences, and even relating them to current players. And she should leave it there.

-Otherwise, she's a dismal tennis commentator. And ESPN should have fired her after her first year, unless they retain her as "entertainment", sorta like they do with Pam Shriver.

All of this.

Nah, all she knows is Serena, Venus and Pova. She confused Vika and Wozniacki saying that Vika ended 2011 as a slamless #1.

She said Makarova could win a slam.

She said Stosur's best shot is her BH.

I rest my case.

edificio
Dec 18th, 2012, 08:54 PM
She's no genius at commentating, and I wouldn't call her your other choice, since I don't know the woman personally. I do think she is great talking about "back in the day" stuff, and it would be marvelous to have Chris and Martina N together commentating on just that aspect of the game. It could be hilarious and ridiculous at once. I vote for that.

The best commentator is Mary Joe Fernandez, even if she is a bit too IMG influenced. She is the fairest, least biased, and least idiotic. :)

Otherwise, I don't think Chris is that great a commentator, though she appears to be trying to prepare better. She doesn't know the players well. Pam Shriver is much better, and she's a bit crazy and perhaps a little mean. :shrug:

Setsuna.
Dec 18th, 2012, 09:01 PM
-Total witch on wheels.

-Virtually unprepared for most the majors she comments on.

-Rarely knows any players games outside of Serena, Venus, Masha, and maybe Vika (now that she's #1 and cause she played in Florida for a while), and Petra--caused she's been forced to see her play in so many Majors the past two years. However, even when she is given research, it's usually wrong anyway, and Chris is too far removed from the game to know better or correct it.

-Makes, crazy statements about players, based off of one match she sees.

-And you can tell by listening to her, she's not even sure what she's saying.

-Gives good insight on her previous experiences, and even relating them to current players. And she should leave it there.

-Otherwise, she's a dismal tennis commentator. And ESPN should have fired her after her first year, unless they retain her as "entertainment", sorta like they do with Pam Shriver.

Well said.

JCTennisFan
Dec 18th, 2012, 09:13 PM
She's no genius at commentating, and I wouldn't call her your other choice, since I don't know the woman personally. I do think she is great talking about "back in the day" stuff, and it would be marvelous to have Chris and Martina N together commentating on just that aspect of the game. It could be hilarious and ridiculous at once. I vote for that.

The best commentator is Mary Joe Fernandez, even if she is a bit too IMG influenced. She is the fairest, least biased, and least idiotic. :)

Otherwise, I don't think Chris is that great a commentator, though she appears to be trying to prepare better. She doesn't know the players well. Pam Shriver is much better, and she's a bit crazy and perhaps a little mean. :shrug:

Agreed on MJF.

She has been to finals so she knows what she is talking about but at the same time does not have a "Demi-God" sort of attitude about herself which keeps her commentary alot more unbiased.

Davenport and Morariu are both great commentators as well in my opinion.

Stonerpova
Dec 18th, 2012, 10:08 PM
She knows the game of tennis, and if she would just stick to analyzing what she is watching she'd be fine. Like people have said, she doesn't know the current top players at all (save the superstars like Serena and Maria, and for some reason Ivanovic) and that hurts her. I think her commentary improved as the season went on, and if someone would pull her aside and tell her to stick to analyzing tactics and technique and stop talking about women's tennis in general she'd be fine. She also IMO doesn't draw on her own experiences enough, and she should do that more. But it's a fine line becuase then she could end up like McEnroe who will jump at literally any opportunity to relive his glory days. It also doesn't help that they keep sticking Chrissie with Fowler, who despite being a good commentator doesn't let her little slips slide, and then she just comes off as an idiot.

They should just stick with MJF. She can be bland, but she really does know today's crop of players much better and she can turn out the occassional brilliant insight.

Helen Lawson
Dec 18th, 2012, 10:46 PM
She's a mixture of the sublime and the ridiculous.

mikireturns
Dec 18th, 2012, 11:06 PM
Wow. Some of y'all took beeatch pills, apparently.

Some of y'all could probably out-beeatch Chrissie in the locker room!

(And I say this with love ... Great love).

No, seriously, I appreciated all of the opinions because I really did want to know what others thought about it.

I am not kissing her ass -- I mean, be fair, here.

Chris Evert's record will be missing her ass for the rest of her life. It's an incredible record -- mind-boggling.

She was pretty vicious on court. I think it was McEnroe who said "she's the perfect cutie with the ponytail, but what she really is is an assassin."

I also like a Renee Richards quite about Evert (Richards was part of Martina's coaching entourage ... Until Martina changed her entourage). Richards said: "Let no one ever say that Chrissie played patty-cake tennis. Chrissie hit bombs, and every one had poison written all over it."

Anyhow, I myself posed the question as to whether she is good in the booth, or what, because I obviously like her but give her mixed reviews as a gabber.

Yeah ... Seems like she phones-it-in ... Sometimes.

My thing with her as a commentator is that she will indeed say thee or four utterly moronic th

mikireturns
Dec 18th, 2012, 11:34 PM
(and speaking of phones I hate iPhone) ...

Chris will say four or five moronic things in a row and then come up with a gem (from her experiential archive) that practically defines tennis itself.

Hit or miss, as a commentator (Oh, the irony, given the laser-precision of her spectacular game -- God, she could hit any ball any place she wanted, at any time.)

I also do NOT like the self-deprecating schtick she's been doing since she made the Absolute Life-Stinking Decision regarding Greg Norman, etc.

Chrissie's being too "like me, like me" in that awful Sally Field way.

I want my Chrissie to be bitchy at all times. No apologies needed because she threw a perfectly awesome man out of bed to do the Horizontal Watusi w/the Crypt-Keeper.

And, for the babe that mentioned Billie Jean as opposed to Chrissie being the reason for the women's success: I thought I was clear, there ... Billie is to be forever praised for laying the infrastructure, politically, but not in a million years could any of them have had a tour unless there was the cute blonde with a two-hander. And not just a cute blonde ... A blonde who destroyed everyone in sight. Evonne Goolagong was the only other who could have carried a tour, marketing wise, until maybe Tracy Austin came along ... And Tracy Austin was just crazy scary.

But Evert IS women's tennis as a "product" -- she is the archetype.

Just be thankful she was brilliant enough to dominate as she did and redefine the notion of femininity in sport.

Every female athlete today owes her paycheck to Chrissie. (and to Billie, but each in different ways).

cellophane
Dec 18th, 2012, 11:34 PM
"Maria Shriver has a great return of serve".

I rest my case.

Helen Lawson
Dec 18th, 2012, 11:39 PM
While I think Chrissie is one of the most modest of the legends, she really is, I don't think she has true "respect" or regard, whatever you want to call it, for most of the players today. Serena, maybe Sharapova, that's about it. I think it effects her commentating. Her calling of matches is best when she's calling a match with one of the greats playing. I feel her commentary was far better when the like of Steffi and Monica, even Hingis, were still playing, I don't think she's real inspired today, and hasn't been in awhile.

mikireturns
Dec 19th, 2012, 12:08 AM
"Maria Shriver has a great return of serve".

I rest my case.

That's actually very funny, but what is the context for it? Was Chrissie actually commenting on Mrs. Schwarzenegger's abilities? (Chrissie has played-with/pooh-poohed with presidents, dictators, kings, queens, governors and rock stars) ... She was not possibly talking about Pam! Pam is the old baggage sitting next to her in the commentating booth. She wouldn't give Pam a compliment, particularly about her service return (which sucked).

Was she thinking that Sharapova was one of the Cursed Kennedy Family? What.

Give us context, baby. Don't leave us hanging. Evert Brain-Fart? Well, we all suffer from Head Flatulence.

Now, let's talk some smack about Mary Joe:

That woman is a bitter pill. Met her. Had been a BIG fan ... Stopped being one.

Total privileged Princess. Condescending. I mean -- really condescending.

On the plus-side, I always thought, "Well, maybe she was really extra heavy-duty on the rag during that sponsor meet & greet (but I don't think it was THAT)

AND:

Mary Joe Fernandez, in person, is just about the most strikingly beautiful woman I have ever seen. She's exotic on the TV and vids, and this was a few years ago, but she is jaw-droppingly beautiful in a way that TOTALLY does not come across on screen or what have you.

Insightful commentator, but oddly prejudiced to a detrimental extent.

Corina Morariu = Fabulous Commentary/Interviewing Skills

L'Enfant Sauvage
Dec 19th, 2012, 12:18 AM
Chrissie along with J.Mac and Queen Pammy, is a guilty pleasure of mine. Awfully biased and a bit out of touch, but fairly entertaining at times. At any rate the only American commentator whose knowledge I have any degree of respect for would be Lindsay, so I never really expected meaningful insight from her to begin with. As ESPN commentary goes, we've had worse *looking at you Carillo*

The Dawntreader
Dec 19th, 2012, 12:21 AM
She's still paying off her divorce. Don't ask me which one though.

SilverPersian
Dec 19th, 2012, 01:57 AM
I've never heard her commentate first hand, but apparently she believes Sam Stosur's signature shot is her backhand. So, uh ...

asdas
Dec 19th, 2012, 04:50 AM
Witch-on-Wheels :lol:

KBlade
Dec 19th, 2012, 05:11 AM
:lol:

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dencod16
Dec 19th, 2012, 12:44 PM
I mean she is better than 60% of the commentators so she does a decent job. i still like Jo Durie, Sam Smith and Tracy Austin. i think she is like Davenport in many ways Evert that is. You can be like at awe on their observations and then the next What the F is she saying.