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Lord Choc Ice
Dec 7th, 2012, 08:32 AM
All won one Wimbleon title and reached the semis or final another time.

JarkaFish
Dec 7th, 2012, 08:33 AM
Hingis. :oh:

Sam L
Dec 7th, 2012, 08:38 AM
Davenport > Sharapova > Novotna > Hingis

Stonerpova
Dec 7th, 2012, 08:39 AM
Davenport > Sharapova > Novotna > Hingis

Yup.

Steffibestever
Dec 7th, 2012, 08:43 AM
Novotna is easily the best of those. Sharapova, lol, what a joke, she isnt even that good a grass courter, in 2004 she played only one good match in the final to win it. Davenport is good but her poor movement is a really bad factor against her on grass. She might beat Jana in head to head due to the matchup but vs the field she would do much worse. Hingis is a lightweight on grass, lucked out to win a fluke Wimbledon in a year of a super weak grass field, and Jana injured and choking in the final.

homogenius
Dec 7th, 2012, 10:26 AM
Novotna

John.
Dec 7th, 2012, 10:28 AM
Novotna>Davenport>Sharapova>Hingis

ElusiveChanteuse
Dec 7th, 2012, 10:29 AM
Davenport

ElusiveChanteuse
Dec 7th, 2012, 10:29 AM
Novotna>Davenport>Sharapova>Hingis

:eek: :angel:

mauresmofan
Dec 7th, 2012, 10:41 AM
Novotna - she is the only true grass court player out of the 4 and her athletisism is far superior to the other 3 as well.

mauresmofan
Dec 7th, 2012, 10:44 AM
One of the best highlights reels I've seen on youtube is this 95 Wimbledon tie vs Graf - really great tennis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyV-scO-PcY

Mr.Sharapova
Dec 7th, 2012, 10:56 AM
Davenport > Sharapova > Novotna > Hingis

This :yeah::angel:.

Mateo Mathieu
Dec 7th, 2012, 12:10 PM
I still can't get over the fact that Hingis won Wimbledon. That year arguably was the weakest year in WTA's history.


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bandabou
Dec 7th, 2012, 12:18 PM
davenport>novotna>sharapova>hingis. it's odd that Hingis won wimby, never won RG..even Sharapova won RG. :lol:

Cosmic Voices
Dec 7th, 2012, 12:23 PM
Davenport > Sharapova > Novotna > Hingis

this :yeah:

danieln1
Dec 7th, 2012, 12:40 PM
davenport>novotna>sharapova>hingis. it's odd that Hingis won wimby, never won RG..even Sharapova won RG. :lol:

This is my order too.

Actually, it's so close between Davenport and Novotna.... Both were amazing on grass.

madmax
Dec 7th, 2012, 12:55 PM
LMAO at Maria hating on this forum again:haha:NID
Peak Pova would humiliate all these bishes on any sort grass, banging down the aces and working the angles like there's no tomorrow. Novotna and Wingis would never know what hit them in the first place...as for Davenport, we have 2004 match on display, where inexperienced teen Masha dismissed peak Lindsay with authority in the final set. Nuff said:cheer:

Mateo Mathieu
Dec 7th, 2012, 01:20 PM
LMAO at Maria hating on this forum again:haha:NID
Peak Pova would humiliate all these bishes on any sort grass, banging down the aces and working the angles like there's no tomorrow. Novotna and Wingis would never know what hit them in the first place...as for Davenport, we have 2004 match on display, where inexperienced teen Masha dismissed peak Lindsay with authority in the final set. Nuff said:cheer:

With help from rain like she always does with all of her opponents :oh:


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Shvedbarilescu
Dec 7th, 2012, 01:37 PM
Novotna>Davenport>Sharapova>Hingis

Yeah. That looks right to me.

madmax
Dec 7th, 2012, 01:40 PM
With help from rain like she always does with all of her opponents :oh:


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yada yada...:zzz:
All of Maria's wins are flukes and chokes from opponents:yawn:
Tell me something new

LegionArgentina
Dec 7th, 2012, 01:46 PM
Sharapova over Novotna on grass :haha: :facepalm: :help:

The Dawntreader
Dec 7th, 2012, 01:50 PM
Davenport >Notovotna >Sharapova >Hingis.

I favour Davenport due to her serving potency on the surface compared to everyone else, and the sheer weight of shot, angle and also the ability to finish points off in the forecourt.

Although, Novotna is by far the most innate grass court-player on the list, and leagues above everyone else athletically.

crazillo
Dec 7th, 2012, 02:12 PM
Novotna, easily.

Sammo
Dec 7th, 2012, 02:14 PM
Davenport > Novotna > Sharapova > Hingis

Peak Hingis would still beat Peak Novotna on grass, she would lob her to death, that's how she won Wimbledon

NashaMasha
Dec 7th, 2012, 02:18 PM
Sharapova over Novotna on grass :haha: :facepalm: :help:

peak Sharapova on grass can be beaten only by peak Williamses, like by Venus in 2005 . Novotna was great on grass , but with her serve and volley game she won't look the same on contemporary slowed down surface

lloyders76
Dec 7th, 2012, 02:30 PM
Novotna is easily the best of those. Sharapova, lol, what a joke, she isnt even that good a grass courter, in 2004 she played only one good match in the final to win it. Davenport is good but her poor movement is a really bad factor against her on grass. She might beat Jana in head to head due to the matchup but vs the field she would do much worse. Hingis is a lightweight on grass, lucked out to win a fluke Wimbledon in a year of a super weak grass field, and Jana injured and choking in the final.

it's such skewed logic to state that Davenport isn't a good win on grass because of her movement. she's a former champ and seemed pretty impressive on grass in 05 too, she's good on grass despite her movement, as she is pretty much everywhere bar clay

fedhingis67
Dec 7th, 2012, 02:35 PM
Sharapova over Novotna :help:

AnywhereButHome
Dec 7th, 2012, 02:48 PM
Sharapova>Davenport>Novotna>Hingis

StoneRose
Dec 7th, 2012, 02:51 PM
Novotna was great on grass.

Sammo
Dec 7th, 2012, 02:54 PM
LMAO at Maria hating on this forum again:haha:NID
Peak Pova would humiliate all these bishes on any sort grass, banging down the aces and working the angles like there's no tomorrow. Novotna and Wingis would never know what hit them in the first place...as for Davenport, we have 2004 match on display, where inexperienced teen Masha dismissed peak Lindsay with authority in the final set. Nuff said:cheer:

Inexperienced? Please that was peak Maria on grass, 2012 Sharapova wouldn't win more than 5 games against any of these players at their peak on grass

NashaMasha
Dec 7th, 2012, 02:56 PM
Novotna was great on grass.

it was Sampras-era grass , not Nadal-era grass

Sammo
Dec 7th, 2012, 02:57 PM
it was Sampras-era grass , not Nadal-era grass

aka real grass

StoneRose
Dec 7th, 2012, 03:04 PM
it was Sampras-era grass , not Nadal-era grassTrue. And it makes the comparison difficult because player 1 on grass 1 is compared to player 2 on grass 2. Still i loved watching Jana play on grass she could be completely dominating on that surface in her time, more than the other players mentioned i feel.

danieln1
Dec 7th, 2012, 03:07 PM
LMAO at Maria hating on this forum again:haha:NID
Peak Pova would humiliate all these bishes on any sort grass, banging down the aces and working the angles like there's no tomorrow. Novotna and Wingis would never know what hit them in the first place...as for Davenport, we have 2004 match on display, where inexperienced teen Masha dismissed peak Lindsay with authority in the final set. Nuff said:cheer:

2004 grass season was not peak Davenport, she even considered retirement after that stupid SF mental loss... 99/05 was her peak on grass.

Anyway, peak Sharapova lost to peak Mauresmo on grass in 2006, and Mauresmo has a very similar grass court tennis as Novotna, so how Sharapova would "humiliate" anyone is ridiculous.

Gladly the poll is showing the real results :rolleyes:

NashaMasha
Dec 7th, 2012, 03:09 PM
aka real grass

also true , but we still shouldn't create peak S&V vs peak baseliners threads, as they just played on different surfaces using different racquets

Charlatan
Dec 7th, 2012, 03:14 PM
Novotna is easily the best of those. Sharapova, lol, what a joke, she isnt even that good a grass courter, in 2004 she played only one good match in the final to win it. Davenport is good but her poor movement is a really bad factor against her on grass. She might beat Jana in head to head due to the matchup but vs the field she would do much worse. Hingis is a lightweight on grass, lucked out to win a fluke Wimbledon in a year of a super weak grass field, and Jana injured and choking in the final.

please get banned again. thank you

peak Sharapova on grass can be beaten only by peak Williamses, like by Venus in 2005 . Novotna was great on grass , but with her serve and volley game she won't look the same on contemporary slowed down surface

:lol: what a load of bullshit! 2004 Sharapova on grass was two games away being beaten by Sugiyama in QF and down a set and a break before the rain break in SF. Sharapova used to be really great on grass, but stop projecting her peak to the unbeatable level.

and the surface at Wimbledon was still relatively faster in 04 than the recent years

Sharapova was struggling against Peak Mauresmo on grass in 06. Let alone beating Novotna :spit:

NashaMasha
Dec 7th, 2012, 03:27 PM
please get banned again. thank you



:lol: what a load of bullshit! 2004 Sharapova on grass was two games away being beaten by Sugiyama in QF and down a set and a break before the rain break in SF. Sharapova used to be really great on grass, but stop projecting her peak to the unbeatable level.

and the surface at Wimbledon was still relatively faster in 04 than the recent years

Sharapova was struggling against Peak Mauresmo on grass in 06. Let alone beating Novotna :spit:

peak Mauresmo vs not peak Sharapova , in the second set Masha managed to return to her best for a while and from 1-3 turned it to 6-3, winning 6 games in a row

hingisGOAT
Dec 7th, 2012, 03:30 PM
Hingis hit 50 winners and 10 errors in her Wimbledon '97 final victory over Novotna, who was playing the "best grass court tennis ever by a woman" according to GOAT Chris Evert.

Your fav could NEVER and has NEVER had a winner/error ratio like that, let alone in a Wimbledon final.

That being said, grass was Hingis' weakest surface, and although her peak level of play on any other court in the world is FAR past scrubs like Sharapova, on this one surface it is up for debate.

Novotna > Davenport > Hingis = Vulturepova

Charlatan
Dec 7th, 2012, 03:33 PM
peak Mauresmo vs not peak Sharapova , in the second set Masha managed to return to her best for a while and from 1-3 turned it to 6-3, winning 6 games in a row

how mighty peak pova has fallen, peaking for only 35 minutes in a full match to win 6 games in a row

stop reaching. you can't just cherry pick a certain time interval in one whole match and claim it's her peak and the rest of her play in the same match is not peak.

if 06 isn't peak pova against Amelie, what about her matches against Mauresmo in 04 YEC or 05 YEC? wait, were they also not-peak pova? :spit:

NashaMasha
Dec 7th, 2012, 03:41 PM
how mighty peak pova has fallen, peaking for only 35 minutes in a full match to win 6 games in a row

stop reaching. you can't just cherry pick a certain time interval in one whole match and claim it's her peak and the rest of her play in the same match is not peak.

if 06 isn't peak pova against Amelie, what about her matches against Mauresmo in 04 YEC or 05 YEC? wait, were they also not-peak pova? :spit:

and 06USO , the same Mauresmo was trashed by peak Pova , Sharapova form always has sinusoidal curve, her peak is very high but she reaches it for a very short period

Steffibestever
Dec 7th, 2012, 03:44 PM
and 06USO , the same Mauresmo was trashed by peak Pova , Sharapova form always has sinusoidal curve, her peak is very high but she reaches it for a very short period

Mauresmo was in really bad form at that event, she nearly went out to some Santengelo girl in the 3rd round, was down 3-0 in the 3rd set, then was fed a bagel by Serena Williams who was in her career worst form and shape at the time. Plus that is fast outdoor hard courts, her worst surface, and probably Sharapova's best. No wonder Maria got her only ever win over Amelie there. Mauresmo at her best is easily better than Sharapova on grass, so is Novotna. Davenport is more debateable but I would favor the Davenport of Wimbledon 99 or 2001 over Sharapova on grass too.

Steffibestever
Dec 7th, 2012, 03:48 PM
Surprised Davenport is leading Novotna on this poll. Davenport would never be leading a prime Graf in a Wimbledon final deep into a 3rd set like Jana was doing in the 1993 final. Novotna in her prime pretty much only lost to Graf on grass, and once to Hingis when injured. Davenport in her prime lost to Tauziat at Wimbledon one time.

Joe.
Dec 7th, 2012, 04:34 PM
Pains me to say that Maria isn't the best but...

Davenport>Sharapova>Novotna>Hingis

Nicolás89
Dec 7th, 2012, 04:40 PM
This is the only poll where Legend deserves to lose. :sobbing:

Charlatan
Dec 7th, 2012, 04:43 PM
and 06USO , the same Mauresmo was trashed by peak Pova , Sharapova form always has sinusoidal curve, her peak is very high but she reaches it for a very short period

:haha: your desperation is amusing.

I didn't know Pova had this "arbitrary" peak period. Again, what happened to Peak Pova in 04 YEC RR and 05 YEC SF against the "same" Mauresmo? Or is that a case of "sinusoidal curve" again? How terrible is that curve thing, affecting her peak form as much as her should injury did! :(

Volcana
Dec 7th, 2012, 04:51 PM
Novotna. Easily. Far and away the best grass court player of the four at her best. And far and away the least of the four at playing her best for a sustained period.

roxi
Dec 7th, 2012, 04:59 PM
Novotna>Davenport>Hingis>Sharapova

dsanders06
Dec 7th, 2012, 08:19 PM
Definitely Novotna. NID that TF would write off any pre-2000 player as if they played with wooden racquets though :lol:

Davenport 2nd, Maria 3rd (this being the one and only surface where Peak Lindsay has the edge on Peak Maria due to her superior serve and netplay). Hingis is dead last and would get spanked on grass by the peaks of any of the other 3's peaks.

ShiftyFella
Dec 7th, 2012, 09:16 PM
Novotna>Davenport>Hingis>Sharapova
this.

Novotna was grass GOAT

Brad[le]y.
Dec 7th, 2012, 09:18 PM
I still can't get over the fact that Hingis won Wimbledon. That year arguably was the weakest year in WTA's history.


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2011 was weaker IMO :lol:

LightWarrior
Dec 7th, 2012, 09:23 PM
Hingis was lucky that Novotna got injured during the final, Pova lucky that Serena was off. Both are pretty much fluke wins.
Hingis < Pova <<<< Davenport & Novotna

The Dawntreader
Dec 7th, 2012, 11:26 PM
:tape: at people choosing Novotna over Lindsay. Look how badly Novotna matched up against Davenport her whole career.

Sam L
Dec 8th, 2012, 12:03 AM
Sharapova actually has a better winning percentage on grass than all these players.

The only reason I put her below Davenport is that at her peak, I believe Davenport is better.

Also, if it weren't for the Williams sisters, she'd be a multiple Wimbledon champion.

That's why it's easily Davenport then Sharapova then Novotna then Hingis.

madmax
Dec 8th, 2012, 12:07 AM
Hingis was lucky that Novotna got injured during the final, Pova lucky that Serena was off. Both are pretty much fluke wins.
Hingis < Pova <<<< Davenport & Novotna

:zzz:
usual TF propaganda about Maria's "fluke" wins. When will this board start respecting her as a player?:unsure: I guess when cows will start flying in front of their eyes LOL

atominside
Dec 8th, 2012, 12:54 AM
:zzz:
usual TF propaganda about Maria's "fluke" wins. When will this board start respecting her as a player?:unsure: I guess when cows will start flying in front of their eyes LOL

maria and her 4 fluke grandslams:o

Yoncé
Dec 8th, 2012, 02:19 AM
Davenport > Novotna > Sharapova.

The Dawntreader
Dec 8th, 2012, 02:31 AM
Novotna. Easily. Far and away the best grass court player of the four at her best. And far and away the least of the four at playing her best for a sustained period.

On what basis?

Sam L
Dec 8th, 2012, 03:02 AM
:tape: at people choosing Novotna over Lindsay. Look how badly Novotna matched up against Davenport her whole career.
I missed this. Exactly. She had no answers for Lindsay's ground strokes and that would've been the same against Sharapova back in 2004-05.

Tennisgucker
Dec 8th, 2012, 03:08 AM
Sharapova actually has a better winning percentage on grass than all these players.

The only reason I put her below Davenport is that at her peak, I believe Davenport is better.

Winning percentage at Wimbledon: Davenport 81.67% (49:11), Sharapova 80.43% (37:9), Novotná 80.30% (53:13), Hingis 74.19% (23:8). So despite Hingis they are all nearly equal in that point.

Also, if it weren't for the Williams sisters, she'd be a multiple Wimbledon champion.

Some Statistics:

Novotná:
Losses to the champion: 5 (1993,1995,1996,1997,1999)
Losses to the runner-up: 2 (1987,1994)
Most losses against: Steffi Graf (5: 1987,1990,1993,1995,1996)

Davenport:
Losses to the champion: 5 (1994,2000,2001,2004,2005)
Losses to the runner-up: 2 (1998,2003)
Most losses against: Venus Williams (4: 2000,2001,2003,2005)

Hingis:
Losses to the champion: 4 (1995,1996,1998,2000)
Losses to the runner-up: 0
Most losses against: Steffi Graf (2: 1995,1996)

Sharapova:
Losses to the champion: 5 (2005,2006,2007,2010,2011)
Losses to the runner-up: 0
Most losses against: Venus Williams (2: 2005,2007)

So you could also say: "If it weren't for Venus Williams, Lindsay Davenport would be a multiple Wimbledon champion." as well as "If it weren't for Steffi Graf, Jana Novotná would be a multiple Wimbledon champion."

That's why it's easily Davenport then Sharapova then Novotna then Hingis.

As you can see, it is not that easy.

fluffyelloballz
Dec 8th, 2012, 09:41 AM
1. Davenport: Big serve, flat groundies, aggressive forward moving attack. A win,beating a well-playing Graf, 2 finals, losing to Venus. Could have won more if you ask me but one title is enough:)
2. Novotna. Damn high peak when on but not against the very best. Blew the match to Graf where he peak suddenly turned into a trough and beat Tauziat in her final, a woman who she dwarfed in terms of talent and experience.
3. Sharapova. Never repeated that fearless peak of 2004.
4. Hingis. Blew hot and cold at Wimby. In her peak year, she brought it on, but never replicated that success again.

PLP
Dec 8th, 2012, 05:49 PM
Surprised Davenport is leading Novotna on this poll. Davenport would never be leading a prime Graf in a Wimbledon final deep into a 3rd set like Jana was doing in the 1993 final. Novotna in her prime pretty much only lost to Graf on grass, and once to Hingis when injured. Davenport in her prime lost to Tauziat at Wimbledon one time.

Hmmm, Let's not forget that Davenport defeated Graf in her lone Wimbledon trophy. Steffi did not play well in that final, obviously, but I think at her peak Lindsay would have been the favorite out of these 4. Too much consistent power, too many consistently booming serves.

It's a tough choice for 2nd between Maria and Jana.. While I would put Martina 4th in this poll, I would also give her a great chance to defeat the other three players on this surface. Her lone win over Sharapova was on an extremely fast surface, she beat Jana for her lone Wimbledon crown, and also matched up well with Linds on quicker surfaces as she could expose her movement.

Davenport>Sharapova+Novotna>Hingis

RenaSlam.
Dec 8th, 2012, 06:45 PM
Davenport > The other knaves.

hurricanejeanne
Dec 8th, 2012, 07:53 PM
Davenport > The other knaves.

This.
Though I do think Novotna deserves a bit more respect in this thread; she was a tremendous grasscourter.

LightWarrior
Dec 8th, 2012, 08:06 PM
This.
Though I do think Novotna deserves a bit more respect in this thread; she was a tremendous grasscourter.

Losing 5 times in 5 meetings against Graf at Wimbledon proves that she's not a "tremendous" grasscourter...

Sammo
Dec 8th, 2012, 08:20 PM
Losing 5 times in 5 meetings against Graf at Wimbledon proves that she's not a "tremendous" grasscourter...

At her peak she is a tremendous grasscourter, but she was a mental midget. And yes there is a difference between been a sucker and saying that she was a mental midget as an excuse and being an amazing player like Novotna and really being a mental midget.

ShiftyFella
Dec 8th, 2012, 08:21 PM
Losing 5 times in 5 meetings against Graf at Wimbledon proves that she's not a "tremendous" grasscourter...
no, it's just proves Steffi was badmatchup for her

Sombrerero loco
Dec 8th, 2012, 08:25 PM
Legend :bowdown: