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mk27
Sep 21st, 2012, 07:11 AM
Tokyo

Lisicki v Q
BYE v [2]Sharapova

Jimmie48
Sep 21st, 2012, 09:32 AM
Well, if she has to meet a top player early I'm actually glad it's Sharapova because she has her partly figured out. I would like her chances a lot less against Vika or Radwanska for example.

Still, pretty tough, I don't think this will be her first QF at a big WTA tournament, maybe the Beijing draw will be a bit kinder.

maturedgirl
Sep 21st, 2012, 10:28 AM
Jo, Du hastes aufn Punkt gebracht ;)
No more comments possible, while we have no idea of her form, shape, constitution,feeling, serviceconfidence...to be continued...

Don't believe in coincidences when I watch the draws of the last big WTA tournaments. Well, couldn't resist the following comment about the draw: looks like WTA merciless wants to get one special (so much loved) girl to reach Istanbul at the very last moment! :devil:

Want my girls at least date a famous golfer or hockey player, pleeeeze :oh:

Mike81
Sep 21st, 2012, 10:52 AM
Playing against Sharapova shouldn't phase her too much. I don't doubt Bine's ability to get up for that match mentally.

Beaumont
Sep 21st, 2012, 10:54 AM
Well, if she has to meet a top player early I'm actually glad it's Sharapova because she has her partly figured out

Yes and No Jimmie. She played great against Sharapova twice this summer, however both matches were at her beloved Wimbledon. Sabine looks a different animal on grass than she does on any other surface. Who knows how she'll play in Tokyo, because away from grass courts she's incredibly inconsistent

Ziva
Sep 21st, 2012, 11:38 AM
:facepalm:

This is what you get when Ranked 31, but lets hope she can get a single win here, will be hard enough.

mk27
Sep 21st, 2012, 11:43 AM
She could have easier draws if she would have played in Quebec/Tashkent/Guangzhou/Seoul :shrug:

Jimmie48
Sep 21st, 2012, 11:46 AM
Yes and No Jimmie. She played great against Sharapova twice this summer, however both matches were at her beloved Wimbledon. Sabine looks a different animal on grass than she does on any other surface. Who knows how she'll play in Tokyo, because away from grass courts she's incredibly inconsistent

Yes but against Sharapova she at least has the mental side figured out. I can't even remember the last time she played Vika but against her in today's form it would be a total disaster. And we all know how she fared against Radwanska the last time out.

Against Sharapova, she at least has the believe that she knows how to beat her.

maurysicki
Sep 21st, 2012, 12:03 PM
Sabine is out of any prediction. This we know well. She can win playing against the number one ranking and quietly lose against No.300. Out of the grass gets really hard to predict a result. And then there is always the obstacle of the first round and his first approach to the tournament, really disastrous in this season.

:scared::scared:

maturedgirl
Sep 21st, 2012, 12:09 PM
She could have easier draws if she would have played in Quebec/Tashkent/Guangzhou/Seoul :shrug:

Ich wusste dass das kommt, sorry, aber das ist Schwachsinn. Das hätte doch ihr ranking für tokyo nicht geändert:facepalm:
Das draw ist einfach pech, oder glück? wer weiß das schon, bevor der erste/letzte Punkt gespielt ist ... :p

Sabine is out of any prediction. This we know well. She can win playing against the number one ranking and quietly lose against No.300. Out of the grass gets really hard to predict a result.

Anyway we know she arrived in Tokyo and the rest will be another surprise...if she only takes care with the food :p

mk27
Sep 21st, 2012, 12:15 PM
Ich wusste dass das kommt, sorry, aber das ist Schwachsinn :facepalm:

Nein, weil klar war, dass sie bei großen Turnieren ungesetzt ist und somit es schwer werden wird Punkte zu holen. Für Lisicki ist das die allerletzte Chance ihre katstrophale P5-Bilanz in der Rangkingwertung aufzupolieren. Da stehen 2 dicke fette 1 Punkte-Wertungen für die beiden besten P5-Turniere des Jahres drin.

Die letzten 2 Wochen waren Zeit mal ein paar Punkte bei kleinen WTA-Turnieren zu holen, das hat sie eben nicht gemacht. Wenn sie viel Pech hat, ist sie auch in Melbourne ungesetzt und da könnte dann Sharapova sogar in R1 warten.

Michael!
Sep 21st, 2012, 12:15 PM
well, I won´t talk about Sharapova already, as she has to beat a Qualifier first and that will be hard enough!
On a bad day Sabine can play like sh** to say it simple and could lose to anyone, so I just hope that she is well prepared and able to win that one match at least and then she hopefully is able to play a good match vs Maria but focus is on 1st round now first!!

Ziva
Sep 21st, 2012, 12:16 PM
Abwarten, gegen die Qualifikantin kann eh schon Endstation sein momentan.

Sie MUSS ein Match gewinnen, dann evtl. gegen Sharapova zu verlieren, das ist keine Schande, nur bitte nicht schon wieder in Runde 1 rausgehen.

mk27
Sep 21st, 2012, 12:24 PM
She has lost the last 6 matches in a row at a P5-tournament. Last win was in Dubai 2010 against Chan.

maturedgirl
Sep 21st, 2012, 12:25 PM
Nein, weil klar war, dass sie bei großen Turnieren ungesetzt ist und somit es schwer werden wird Punkte zu holen. Für Lisicki ist das die allerletzte Chance ihre katstrophale P5-Bilanz in der Rangkingwertung aufzupolieren. Da stehen 2 dicke fette 1 Punkte-Wertungen für die beiden besten P5-Turniere des Jahres drin.

Die letzten 2 Wochen waren Zeit mal ein paar Punkte bei kleinen WTA-Turnieren zu holen, das hat sie eben nicht gemacht. Wenn sie viel Pech hat, ist sie auch in Melbourne ungesetzt und da könnte dann Sharapova sogar in R1 warten.

Aber die evt. möglichen Punkte, die sie ohne intensives Training nach ihrer Verletzung und NY wahrscheinlich eh nicht gewonnen hätte, wäre sie doch für Tokyo nicht anders gesetzt gewesen, somit auch nicht anders ausgelost worden, also bitte,...drück ich mich so dämlich aus oder willst du mich gerade nicht verstehen?:help:

maturedgirl
Sep 21st, 2012, 12:28 PM
She has lost the last 6 matches in a row at a P5-tournament. Last win was in Dubai 2010 against Chan.

But thats nothing than statistics, ... the whole year she was more injured or sick than the opposite...so what? Shit on P5, major and all this crap, the season is gone, and she better works on her healthy (how to keep it on) and strength than preparing winter like a squirrel... :shrug:

jetglo
Sep 21st, 2012, 12:29 PM
Yes but against Sharapova she at least has the mental side figured out. I can't even remember the last time she played Vika but against her in today's form it would be a total disaster. And we all know how she fared against Radwanska the last time out.

Against Sharapova, she at least has the belief that she knows how to beat her.

I agree, it could certainly be worse. The absence of any kind of form guide going in makes predictions difficult, but if Sabine is fit and in reasonable touch I doubt she'll be overawed. She's got nothing to lose, and Maria won't be able to ease her way into this one.

mk27
Sep 21st, 2012, 12:30 PM
Aber die evt. möglichen Punkte, die sie ohne intensives Training nach ihrer Verletzung und NY wahrscheinlich eh nicht gewonnen hätte, wäre sie doch für Tokyo nicht anders gesetzt gewesen, somit auch nicht anders ausgelost worden, also bitte,...drück ich mich so dämlich aus oder willst du mich gerade nicht verstehen?:help:

Für Tokyo hätte sie natürlich nichts geändert. Aber wenn sie nicht bald punktet, dann geht es noch weiter abwärts und dann ist sie selbst bei Turnieren wie Linz oder Luxemburg bald nicht mehr gesetzt. Außerdem schob sie selbst die Niederlage in New York auf mangelnde Matchpraxis. Okay, das ist verständlich, aber dann versuche ich doch Matchpraxis zu bekommen und die letzten beiden Wochen wären ideal, um mal ein kleineres WTA-Turnier zu spielen. Linz und Luxemburg sind, im Gegensatz zu den Turnieren der letzten 2 Wochen, absolut top besetzt.

Beaumont
Sep 21st, 2012, 12:42 PM
Let's not get too excited about Sharapova, she has a match to win against someone else first. Apart from Wimbledon, she hasn't won a single match since Charleston, which in anyone's book is a terrible year. Does anyone know which qualifying mtach she plays the winner of?

jetglo
Sep 21st, 2012, 01:01 PM
Let's not get too excited about Sharapova, she has a match to win against someone else first. Apart from Wimbledon, she hasn't won a single match since Charleston, which in anyone's book is a terrible year. Does anyone know which qualifying mtach she plays the winner of?

So you're conveniently bundling Wimbledon and the Olympics together?

Qualifying is over two rounds so her opponent won't be known for a while.

maturedgirl
Sep 21st, 2012, 01:51 PM
Looks like she plans to stay longer in Tokyo no matter what will happen in single's playing doubs w the WTA 3 ranked dubs player :worship:

Beaumont
Sep 21st, 2012, 01:57 PM
That's a good move. She's a good doubles player, and it gives her more time on court in a competitive environment, which has to be better than being with old man Chip in Florida!

jetglo
Sep 21st, 2012, 02:14 PM
Looks like she plans to stay longer in Tokyo no matter what will happen in single's playing doubs w the WTA 3 ranked dubs player :worship:

I spent a few frantic minutes thinking "please don't let it be Huber", as they're both ranked 3. :lol: Good news, there's been talk Raymond was unhappy with Huber, never thought Sabine might be a chance though.

Sabinator.
Sep 21st, 2012, 03:47 PM
Sabine's really playing doubles with Raymond? :eek: How did you know that?

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=468566

Ok, I know already :)

maturedgirl
Sep 21st, 2012, 04:17 PM
I spent a few frantic minutes thinking "please don't let it be Huber", as they're both ranked 3. :lol: Good news, there's been talk Raymond was unhappy with Huber, never thought Sabine might be a chance though.

Probably all started at this moment

http://i.imgbox.com/adwKwWak.jpg

when Lisa& Bob stole Sabine&Kas the bronze medal. Now Lisa wanna say sorry for making her cry :lol:

But I also wondered why she doesen't play w Peng again. That worked pretty well, but Lisa will stopp soon playing tennis, isn't she already 39!!!
Sabine and Julia prefer the old ladys :lol:

crazillo
Sep 21st, 2012, 04:19 PM
I don't think Raymond/Lisicki will be a permanent partnership though. Still good for her!

jetglo
Sep 21st, 2012, 04:56 PM
Probably all started at this moment

http://i.imgbox.com/adwKwWak.jpg

when Lisa& Bob stole Sabine&Kas the bronze medal. Now Lisa wanna say sorry for making her cry :lol:

But I also wondered why she doesen't play w Peng again. That worked pretty well, but Lisa will stopp soon playing tennis, isn't she already 39!!!
Sabine and Julia prefer the old ladys :lol:

That's probably up there with the Kerber Wimbledon match as my saddest Sabine moments, at least recently. :[

I think Peng will be back and Raymond may just be temporary. Raymond only plays doubles and Sabine needs to concentrate on singles so cannot commit to doubles full time.

Maybe Sabs and Jules just miss their mothers. :lol:

maturedgirl
Sep 21st, 2012, 05:34 PM
Maybe Sabs and Jules just miss their mothers. :lol:

To be honest I had exactly this on the tip of my tongue but bit on it
hoped anyone else would say, so thanks :lol:

Beaumont
Sep 21st, 2012, 06:15 PM
Lisa Raymond is a good partner for her. She's very experienced and Sabine has a tendency to make bad decisions, so she might help her. Sabine is a confidence player, and gathers real momentum like a snowball rolling down a hill when she's winning. Even picking up wins in doubles will help her singles

Jimmie48
Sep 21st, 2012, 07:21 PM
It surely is beneficial, especially as long as she continues to drop out in early rounds. I really don't like when Top 10 players play doubles because it seems like a waste of energy if you go far in singles each time but right now Sabine isn't there yet..hopefully in the future :)

TimeyWimey
Sep 22nd, 2012, 03:05 AM
as long as they're not playing Vinci/Errani in the early round, i don't see why they can't make far in the tournament, a top doubles specialist could bring tremendous help into the game, saw this from Julia/Kveta in the US Open

Lisickinator
Sep 22nd, 2012, 08:01 AM
Sabine and Alicia Rosolska made the doubles draw an they will face each other in the first round.

http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/posting/2012/1056/MDD.pdf

Geekking
Sep 22nd, 2012, 09:08 AM
She could have easier draws if she would have played in Quebec/Tashkent/Guangzhou/Seoul :shrug:

:yeah:

jetglo
Sep 22nd, 2012, 10:20 AM
Heather Watson is her first round opponent. :)

Beaumont
Sep 22nd, 2012, 10:25 AM
Heather Watson is an interesting match for her, she is quite small, so struggles against the bigger hitters. If Sabine can get into a rythym on her serve and forehand, she should get a win. The downside to Heather for Sabine is her defence, she will make Sabine play one more shot, and really test her fitness. This could be an issue if Sabine isn't firing

Ian Aberdon
Sep 22nd, 2012, 11:12 AM
Heather Watson could be a tough match for Sabine. :unsure:

Michael!
Sep 22nd, 2012, 11:29 AM
Sabine played Heather before in 2010 when she came back from her injury, 2 times and H2h is 1-1 so it won´t be easy.
But I think that it is good for Sabine to play someone like Heather, she will give her some rhythm at least, not some brainless ballbasher match like she had against Mattek or Cirstea.
Watson doesn´t have any bigger weapons to hurt Sabine but she is consistent and that could be already enough to beat Sabine but I hope that Sabine improved again since NY and that she is able to show a decent match, then she should be abel to win it, wouldn´t be surprised obviously if it would go to 3 sets still! :p

Jimmie48
Sep 22nd, 2012, 11:41 AM
Heather Watson is her first round opponent. :)

Oh no... again Sabine has to play some I like :sobbing:

TimeyWimey
Sep 22nd, 2012, 11:53 AM
easy stuff, if bine plays like 23, she's thru, if plays like 13, she's out

Lisickinator
Sep 22nd, 2012, 12:17 PM
first match on monday

jetglo
Sep 22nd, 2012, 01:49 PM
Oh no... again Sabine has to play some I like :sobbing:

Yeah, I like Heather too.... it's a pity.

maturedgirl
Sep 22nd, 2012, 02:09 PM
easy stuff, if bine plays like 23, she's thru, if plays like 13, she's out

Hey guy, are you drunken when you'r postin here recently ?? :rolleyes:

Watson is a shit first rd, cause I like her and she's unpredictable but however: She must win it (Sabine) I want another "pova-boom-match" :woohoo:

TimeyWimey
Sep 22nd, 2012, 02:32 PM
Hey guy, are you drunken when you'r postin here recently ?? :rolleyes:

Watson is a shit first rd, cause I like her and she's unpredictable but however: She must win it (Sabine) I want another "pova-boom-match" :woohoo:

isn't Oktoberfest kicking off today? :confused:

Ziva
Sep 22nd, 2012, 04:10 PM
Hey guy, are you drunken when you'r postin here recently ?? :rolleyes:

Watson is a shit first rd, cause I like her and she's unpredictable but however: She must win it (Sabine) I want another "pova-boom-match" :woohoo:

Don't Jinx it !!!!

Shit first Rd ?
no not really, it's a must win, nothing else, if she can't beat Watson then :help: It doesn't get much easier.
Only one which can beat her on Monday is herself, again ;)

maturedgirl
Sep 22nd, 2012, 04:30 PM
Don't Jinx it !!!!

Shit first Rd ?
no not really, it's a must win, nothing else, if she can't beat Watson then :help: It doesn't get much easier.
Only one which can beat her on Monday is herself, again ;)

How to jinx a match she "must" win? :lol:

...otherwise, Dortmund lost to Hamburg today => nothing's impossible :p
If she only didn't eat sushi, cake or any other unhealthy food yesterday :angel:

Jimmie48
Sep 22nd, 2012, 05:36 PM
...otherwise, Dortmund lost to Hamburg today => nothing's impossible :p


Well, both scenarios require a substantial amount of stupidity for the lower ranked opponent to win. Dortmund delivered today, I sure hope Sabine won't...

maturedgirl
Sep 22nd, 2012, 06:57 PM
Well, both scenarios require a substantial amount of stupidity for the lower ranked opponent to win. Dortmund delivered today, I sure hope Sabine won't...
:lol:

Are you sure or do you hope... ? :oh:

Lisickinator
Sep 23rd, 2012, 09:08 AM
3rd match after 1030 (0330 CET) tomorow on court 3. I hope they have two show courts.

jetglo
Sep 23rd, 2012, 09:19 AM
^ My schedule show that as Julia's match, Sabine at the same time on court 3. :scratch:

Lisickinator
Sep 23rd, 2012, 09:22 AM
yep it's court 3

mk27
Sep 23rd, 2012, 10:08 AM
As far as I can remember, there is only one show court in Tokyo.

Chaosm21
Sep 23rd, 2012, 07:31 PM
At a P5? :help:

Jimmie48
Sep 23rd, 2012, 07:48 PM
It was the same in Montreal unfortunately.

CillyUltra
Sep 23rd, 2012, 08:42 PM
Yes and No Jimmie. She played great against Sharapova twice this summer, however both matches were at her beloved Wimbledon. Sabine looks a different animal on grass than she does on any other surface. Who knows how she'll play in Tokyo, because away from grass courts she's incredibly inconsistent
You've forgotten the match at this year's AO.

Aber die evt. möglichen Punkte, die sie ohne intensives Training nach ihrer Verletzung und NY wahrscheinlich eh nicht gewonnen hätte, wäre sie doch für Tokyo nicht anders gesetzt gewesen, somit auch nicht anders ausgelost worden, also bitte,...drück ich mich so dämlich aus oder willst du mich gerade nicht verstehen?:help:
This. It's pretty useless to fuck around on MM tourneys like Julia, when Sabine doesn't have confindence in her shots and serve. She had practiced just since 5 days before the USO, serve only since she arrived in NY. We know what happend when she was a week in Bradenton before Wimbledon, even if grass is a different story.

Even picking up wins in doubles will help her singles
Don't think that will help her a lot. She needs to start playing singles competitions a couple of months AT A STRETCH.

If she only didn't eat sushi, cake or any other unhealthy food yesterday :angel:
She had problems with food twice. When she discovered her allergy, and when the Beijing tourney served her rotten meat.

JohnMcP
Sep 24th, 2012, 01:04 AM
She played great for six games in a row at the AO against Sharapova. That, as well as her Wimbledon final shows that the match will be on her racket, so long as she brings her A game and keeps it up for two sets. That's a big "if" at this point, and she still has to cross another big "if" (Heather Watson) before we can even really ask these questions.

Michael!
Sep 24th, 2012, 11:03 AM
Watson def. Lisicki 64 76

Disappointing result, disappointing season, now many positive things right now!
Started the match well it seems, good serving and then she had 0-40 at Watson´s serve but wasn´t able to take the BPs there, was obvious then that she wouldn´t be able to handle the pressure then at *45, awful game there.
But no surprise, not many matches played, many defeats, no confidence and obviously no mental strength!

Another problem is her serve, no consistency there, 2nd set she served quite bad it seems, managed to stay in the set at least but was without chance then in TB, also clear, no chance to win a TB in her current state.

2012 was full of little injuries, illnesses, tournament breaks etc., many bad defeats in between (Benesova,Dominguez,Erakovic,Parmentier, Mattek, Suarez Navarro etc.)

It is obvious that she can´t get any rhythm with all her health problems but it is also clear that Sabine is one of those who have to feel 100% well on court. She often looks like an amateur once she didn´t play tennis for a shor time, other players can handle such breaks much better (obviously not her "fault" but still...more a problem or fault of her coaches IMO)

She currently has some many ups and downs in her game, her serve is only working here and there and there wasn´t any improvement in her game this year anyway.
She still showed that she is able to play great tennis, Australian Open, Wimbledon and Olympics were good tournaments for her but even there she had heavy problems in her matches often was close to defeats against players like Vögele or Jabeur, so u never really had the feeling this year that Sabine has become more consistent or mentally stronger in general, everything is just an big up and down.

Don´t expect too much from her for the rest of the year, in this shape she won´t be able to beat any decent player, can hope for some real good draw next week or in Linz, maybe some sucky Austrian WC there or whatever. She just needs a few wins before the season is over to start the off season with a better feeling, otherwise it also will influence her in a negative way for the start of 2013, I fear.

Playing challengers won´t help her anyway, Sabine hates to play them, 2010 she was like "OMG, why do I deserve that?", had her worst defeats there (Minella,Kucova etc.).

Matches, matches, matches, that´s the only thing whch will help her, get some wins to get confidence back and work hard in the off season and finally stay healthy in 2013. Another coach or someone who gives her some more advices here and there wouldn´t be bad as well to get more consistent on her serve and to get more variable in general.

misty1
Sep 24th, 2012, 11:59 AM
can this season just be done now?

CillyUltra
Sep 24th, 2012, 02:16 PM
disappointing season

Not really when you make a slam qf and nearly win a medal at the Olympics.

It is obvious that she can´t get any rhythm with all her health problems but it is also clear that Sabine is one of those who have to feel 100% well on court. She often looks like an amateur once she didn´t play tennis for a shor time, other players can handle such breaks much better (obviously not her "fault" but still...more a problem or fault of her coaches IMO)
If she can't play continuously for a longer time she won't build up some sort of basic confidence in her game, on which she can rely if she pauses some weeks.

She still showed that she is able to play great tennis, Australian Open, Wimbledon and Olympics were good tournaments for her but even there she had heavy problems in her matches often was close to defeats against players like Vögele or Jabeur
The kind of matches which Julia usually loses. :spit:

so u never really had the feeling this year that Sabine has become more consistent or mentally stronger in general, everything is just an big up and down.
The matches against Sharapova and Kerber this year were clear signs that she has become mentally stronger, that she can handle those big stage GS matches much better than last year.

Beaumont
Sep 24th, 2012, 02:26 PM
Not really when you make a slam qf and nearly win a medal at the Olympics.




What are you talking about Cilly?

It's been a terrible year for Sabine, even her QF at Wimbledon lost her ranking points

Michael!
Sep 24th, 2012, 03:00 PM
Not really when you make a slam qf and nearly win a medal at the Olympics.


:lol: please, nearly won a medal in mixed doubles what has that to do with her results in singles?

out of top 20, 8 first round defeats, several injuries, tournament breaks, lost to players like Lourdes Dominguez ( on hard :o) or Mattek-Sands ( on clay :o)

so what´s left?
QF Wimbledon, 4th round Melbourne, 3rd round Olympics, 3rd round Charleston...ehm, sure, if you are satisfied with that, great for you! :)



The kind of matches which Julia usually loses. :spit:

what has that to do with Julia? if you wanna compare her with Julia, then I agree with u, then we should be satisfied with a ranking ~ 30!

I only wanted to show that Sabine still has huge up´s and down´s in her game and in her matches in general, means she often has to go over three sets even against weak opponents, no bigger problem if she still can win it but shows that she is too vulnerable still.


The matches against Sharapova and Kerber this year were clear signs that she has become mentally stronger, that she can handle those big stage GS matches much better than last year.

also here I said that it is an up and down, sometimes mentally strong, then again weak but I wouldn´t say that she became mentally stronger in general.

Won against Maria when she had no pressure at all at Wimbledon, four weeks later she lost after leading 64 *43...

oh, u mean the match against Kerber? where she saved MPs in 2nd set just to lose herself after leading *53 in 3rd set? :D
Great example for mental strength :D :facepalm:

and what about last year? she can handle those matches now better?
won against Na Li last year at Wimbledon, saved MPs there, won against Bartoli, sure crumbled against Vera two times in Paris and NY but those weren´t first rounds at least, this year she couldn´t even show that she can handle big stage matches better as she lost two times in 1st round :o

mk27
Sep 24th, 2012, 03:05 PM
After the Australian Open, she has just won matches in 4 tournaments (Miami, Charleston, Wimbledon, Olympic Games) but had 9 first round defeats (Doha, Indian Wells, Rome, Strasbourg, French Open, Birmingham, Montreal, US Open, Tokyo). :tape:

Saraya!
Sep 24th, 2012, 03:06 PM
Peinliche Niederlage von Lisicki erneut.

Michael!
Sep 24th, 2012, 03:12 PM
After the Australian Open, she has just won matches in 4 tournaments (Miami, Charleston, Wimbledon, Olympic Games) but had 9 first round defeats (Doha, Indian Wells, Rome, Strasbourg, French Open, Birmingham, Montreal, US Open, Tokyo). :tape:

she won all her matches only at places/surfaces where she feels most comfortable! :tape: :rolls:

rucolo
Sep 24th, 2012, 04:41 PM
Sabine :o :help::help::help:


She hasn't won a match outside Wimbledon since the beginning of April. :tape:

Nearly 6 months without a win outside Wimbledon :rolleyes:

And no wins in P5 tournaments since Dubai 2010.

Extremely pathetic :facepalm:

rucolo
Sep 24th, 2012, 04:53 PM
After the Australian Open, she has just won matches in 4 tournaments (Miami, Charleston, Wimbledon, Olympic Games) but had 9 first round defeats (Doha, Indian Wells, Rome, Strasbourg, French Open, Birmingham, Montreal, US Open, Tokyo). :tape:

Einfach unglaublich :help::help::help:

Peinliche Niederlage von Lisicki erneut.

Peinlich ist noch gewaltig untertrieben :rolleyes:

TimeyWimey
Sep 24th, 2012, 05:03 PM
we're not trying to find consistency in her inconsistency, are we? :facepalm:
it's not like playing video game that her mental strength could be measured, last year, 85, this year 86

four years ago at PPO, i could even see her determination to improve, to work hard during the handshake after the match

this year, all i see is "i played some good points, nothing wrong with me, i gave all i have, time to have fun"

i guess she just feels fine to travel around the world, enjoy some life, have some photoshoot, why not if i have millions of dollars in the bank :wavey:

Dorien.
Sep 24th, 2012, 05:04 PM
Bine :hug:

Ian Aberdon
Sep 24th, 2012, 06:39 PM
we're not trying to find consistency in her inconsistency, are we? :facepalm:
it's not like playing video game that her mental strength could be measured, last year, 85, this year 86

four years ago at PPO, i could even see her determination to improve, to work hard during the handshake after the match

this year, all i see is "i played some good points, nothing wrong with me, i gave all i have, time to have fun"

i guess she just feels fine to travel around the world, enjoy some life, have some photoshoot, why not if i have millions of dollars in the bank :wavey:

In which case all her tennis sponsors will withdraw their backing quicker than a 50m sprint in the pool! Do they want to be associated with someone who loses more often than not in R1?

Let's hope she does indeed have mi££ions in the bank! She's not earning much this season!

Maybe a career in modelling does await - if Anna K can make it work...:lol:

Ziva
Sep 24th, 2012, 08:26 PM
Well she doesn't have Millions in the Bank, thats for sure.

And Wilson most definitely left her earlier this year......

She is no Anna K. so this option is not really there.

Let's do what we were doing the whole season already and hope for her to wake up and change something or whatever is needed to win matches again !!

So much Talent should not be wasted like that.

Beaumont
Sep 24th, 2012, 08:33 PM
Does she have problems in her private life?

I'm wondering whether she's being distracted by somebody, or perhaps she's upset about a relationship that's gone wrong

She just doesn't seem fully focused on Tennis right now

CillyUltra
Sep 24th, 2012, 08:44 PM
:lol: please, nearly won a medal in mixed doubles what has that to do with her results in singles?
A medal is a medal.

QF Wimbledon, 4th round Melbourne, 3rd round Olympics, 3rd round Charleston...ehm, sure, if you are satisfied with that, great for you! :)
I'm not too disappointed given the circumstances.

what has that to do with Julia? if you wanna compare her with Julia, then I agree with u, then we should be satisfied with a ranking ~ 30!

I only wanted to show that Sabine still has huge up´s and down´s in her game and in her matches in general, means she often has to go over three sets even against weak opponents, no bigger problem if she still can win it but shows that she is too vulnerable still.
Exactly. That's the difference to a mentally weak player like Julia.

also here I said that it is an up and down, sometimes mentally strong, then again weak but I wouldn´t say that she became mentally stronger in general.

Won against Maria when she had no pressure at all at Wimbledon, four weeks later she lost after leading 64 *43...

oh, u mean the match against Kerber? where she saved MPs in 2nd set just to lose herself after leading *53 in 3rd set? :D
Great example for mental strength :D :facepalm:
As I said the key to prevail in those big stage matches is experience. The experience of those matches. Big stage matches are matches against big names, on big courts, with big media coverage, at later stages of GS (Olympic) tournaments. Obviously a different sort of mental challenge compared to other matches on the tour.

and what about last year? she can handle those matches now better?
won against Na Li last year at Wimbledon, saved MPs there, won against Bartoli, sure crumbled against Vera two times in Paris and NY but those weren´t first rounds at least
I'm talking about the 2011 matches against Sharapova and Zvonareva that knocked her out of Wimbledon and the USO. If I remember right, they were not quite as competitive as the matches against Pova and Kerber this year.

This year she couldn´t even show that she can handle big stage matches better as she lost two times in 1st round :o

Those weren't big stage matches. Opponents were scrubs, not big names. And the courts didn't looked like CC.

CillyUltra
Sep 24th, 2012, 08:44 PM
four years ago at PPO, i could even see her determination to improve, to work hard during the handshake after the match

this year, all i see is "i played some good points, nothing wrong with me, i gave all i have, time to have fun"

i guess she just feels fine to travel around the world, enjoy some life, have some photoshoot, why not if i have millions of dollars in the bank :wavey:

Utter shit. Obviously you know nothing about her, how much she loves this sport and how hard she struggled to come back after her career-threatening injury in 2010. Maybe you should better concentrate on making nice photoshoots than providing this board with prat prose.

Ziva
Sep 24th, 2012, 08:58 PM
Utter shit. Obviously you know nothing about her, how much she loves this sport and how hard she struggled to come back after her career-threatening injury in 2010. Maybe you should better concentrate on making nice photoshoots than providing this board with prat prose.

indeed

Michael!
Sep 24th, 2012, 09:32 PM
A medal is a medal.



Ganz schwach. Auch Lisicki hat sich am Ende nicht mit Ruhm bekleckert. Damit nach Fed-Cup und Wimbledon wieder eine Chance verpasst dem deutschen Tennis einen Schub zu geben.

ach, direkt nach der Niederlage (übrigens schon nach der Halbfinalniederlage gepostet) noch ganz schwach und jetzt ist auf einmal der 4.Platz im Mixed Gold wert? Da hast du aber deine Ansprüche zurückgeschraubt!! :D

We all agree at least that Sabine has to stay healthy for a change in 2013 and then we will have answers to all our questions hopefully...

TimeyWimey
Sep 24th, 2012, 09:39 PM
Utter shit. Obviously you know nothing about her, how much she loves this sport and how hard she struggled to come back after her career-threatening injury in 2010. Maybe you should better concentrate on making nice photoshoots than providing this board with prat prose.

what does it have to do with her situation in 2012? sorry, i'm not following you

well at least i know my point is received, negatively or not, and i don't want to jeopardize anything by saying "she will be back, bla bla bla"

i'm perfectly fine if Bine proves me wrong, deadly wrong, on court :cool:

but don't forget, WTA is rife with such examples, she's not too big to fail

wagner1912
Sep 25th, 2012, 05:00 AM
She even in his moments he made a lot of mistakes, but were saved by the great talent and confidence she had.
_ Since AO2012 she has lost his confidence and his game, bad game that was capped by their good results but when they got the illness and injury lost all confidence and it shows a lack of pace with its rivals when it becomes a time without play.
Even being in good health and improve her prefer to train every day, but should play more tournaments to perfect not only to win but experencia and handle situations where parties make mistakes absurd.
There is no doubt that if they get a couple of good results it will return to gain confidence and enjoy the matches as in good moments. :)

Ian Aberdon
Sep 25th, 2012, 06:15 AM
I see Cilly has still not woken up to reality. The current criticism of Sabine is fully justified. The excuse (amongst other excuses) of 'coming back from injury' is wearing thin. Why is she always injured? Not the ankle - we can all roll over an ankle, I've had crutches as well - but the constant muscle strains.

Never mind, let's have some fun in the doubles...:rolleyes:

jetglo
Sep 25th, 2012, 06:26 AM
I see Cilly has still not woken up to reality. The current criticism of Sabine is fully justified. The excuse (amongst other excuses) of 'coming back from injury' is wearing thin. Why is she always injured? Not the ankle - we can all roll over an ankle, I've had crutches as well - but the constant muscle strains.

Never mind, let's have some fun in the doubles...:rolleyes:

It's your perspective, which you're entitled to, but don't try to spin it as being somehow "reality".

Also Heather Watson is giving Maria a really hard time ATM, so maybe Sabine didn't do that bad in "reality". :)

maturedgirl
Sep 25th, 2012, 07:20 AM
[QUOTE=Ian Aberdon;22239103]I see Cilly has still not woken up to reality.

:haha:

That's rich, coming from you!!:spit:

maturedgirl
Sep 25th, 2012, 07:24 AM
It's your perspective, which you're entitled to, but don't try to spin it as being somehow "reality".

Also Heather Watson is giving Maria a really hard time ATM, so maybe Sabine didn't do that bad in "reality". :)

Just wanted to post this. Watson is a lucky bag :p loves to play blondies...:rolleyes:

But now Watson back on earth ;)
6:3 6:1 < Lisicki/Raymond (horribleserve/perfectbreakpointstats)

Ian Aberdon
Sep 25th, 2012, 11:00 AM
Some fans you lot are! Blind to her shortcomings in her game. Do you want her to become NO.1 with at least one Singles Slam or don't you? Or is it to be only on YOUR terms? Close your eyes, it'll all be all right soon-ish...maybe...:facepalm:

It's all sugar & smiles in the world of Sabine fans. Pity THE REALITY is different.

jetglo
Sep 25th, 2012, 02:02 PM
Some fans you lot are! Blind to her shortcomings in her game. Do you want her to become NO.1 with at least one Singles Slam or don't you? Or is it to be only on YOUR terms? Close your eyes, it'll all be all right soon-ish...maybe...:facepalm:

It's all sugar & smiles in the world of Sabine fans. Pity THE REALITY is different.

It sounds like you're the one with all the terms and expectations. Do you really think that all your speculating (based on no actual information) will somehow change things? That she and her team scour these pages because, despite tennis being their whole life for many years, they are so bereft of ideas they need to come here?

Do you really think that inferring she and all those around her are incompetent makes you a true fan somehow? That getting your panties in a bunch and resorting to abuse makes you somehow a better fan because it shows you care so much? To me it's just pathetic venting to make yourself feel better, nothing more, no matter how you want to dress it up.

maturedgirl
Sep 25th, 2012, 04:10 PM
It sounds like you're the one with all the terms and expectations. Do you really think that all your speculating (based on no actual information) will somehow change things? That she and her team scour these pages because, despite tennis being their whole life for many years, they are so bereft of ideas they need to come here?

Do you really think that inferring she and all those around her are incompetent makes you a true fan somehow? That getting your panties in a bunch and resorting to abuse makes you somehow a better fan because it shows you care so much? To me it's just pathetic venting to make yourself feel better, nothing more, no matter how you want to dress it up.

Thanks for expressing again what I think, when I read pathetic crap from guys like Ian. :worship:

We all know nothing, didn't even watch the match. These guys who can't stand their eye candy losing....posts like these are only embarrassing, especially from a so called fan. :facepalm:

maurysicki
Sep 25th, 2012, 04:31 PM
I simply do not understand why we can not accept Sabine as it is, with its ups and downs. This is his life not ours. :facepalm:

wagner1912
Sep 25th, 2012, 05:11 PM
She must win games to get back to your game, you must not see only personal things or find the negative. She tries to improve every day, what happens is that there too much expectation on it and sometimes can not tolerate someone passes a bad moment, especially since he has an incredible talent and everybody believes that playing well she should be in the top 10.

TimeyWimey
Sep 25th, 2012, 05:46 PM
Thanks for expressing again what I think, when I read pathetic crap from guys like Ian. :worship:

We all know nothing, didn't even watch the match. These guys who can't stand their eye candy losing....posts like these are only embarrassing, especially from a so called fan. :facepalm:

slamming these words just isn't the way to start a morning, and i agree nor is asking Bine to man up every time she loses

everyone in the forum, like you, are just posters and we share thoughts here, no one is more worthwhile/embarrassing than others, and no one should teach others how to be a fan

it is just not right to get offended so easily when people DARE to disagree with you, even mildly, isn't it?

maturedgirl
Sep 25th, 2012, 06:23 PM
I simply do not understand why we can not accept Sabine as it is, with its ups and downs. This is his life not ours. :facepalm:

It's the problem of the bandwagon fans whithout an own social life. Normal people are sad when she loses but guys who blast her that way are... :rolleyes:

Mobbingopfer?:shrug: Verstehe nur nicht was ihnen das bringt. :spit:

Ziva
Sep 25th, 2012, 08:53 PM
So much tension in here :sad:

i agree with Ian, he is very "in your face" regarding how he says it, but it's not wrong.

Changes need to be made, this formdrop won't go away by itself over time.

What changes ?
Well, thats not for us to decide, we can only guess and discuss what we think would be a good idea.
It's her career and her decision what she does next ;)

It's the problem of the bandwagon fans whithout an own social life. Normal people are sad when she loses but guys who blast her that way are...

Woher weißt du denn das ?
Ist doch lächerlich, als ob keiner hier ein soziales Leben hätte, nur weil jemand das sehr kritisch sieht.
Das ist sehr respektlos findest du nicht ?

JohnMcP
Sep 26th, 2012, 04:01 AM
I simply do not understand why we can not accept Sabine as it is, with its ups and downs. This is his life not ours. :facepalm:

Thank you for expressing what I have been thinking awhile on this forum. Some people here act as if they are entitled to grand slams through Sabine and if she doens't perform the way they expect then she owes them. She is the one who has dedicated her life to tennis and I would like to see anyone on here try to deal with the pressure of the WTA. I want her to turn things around and I do think she needs to make changes, but she is the one who makes the ultimate decisions. It's her career and I will continue to support her through the hard times (as I have done through the last three and a half years).

Anyone who was surprised by her latest results has not followed her career that closely. The only thing I was "stunned" by were the headlines that read "Watson Stuns Lisicki," although these headlines have actually become quite predictable. Just as Bolletieri described, Sabine's career has been like a Disney World Rollercoaster. I think she can become more consistent with some changes. (just as Azarenka has done in the past year).

Anyone who thinks she is more interested in modeling than in tennis doesn't know her very well. I think she may give the impression that she doesn't care in hard times because she doesn't throw rackets, yell at umpires, or snap at ballkids. But she holds a lot in and I think it's safe to say she cares as much as any player. In fact, I think her troubles in singles this year have largely stemmed from caring too much -- she seems to relax and play freely in doubles because the expectations (especially her own) are so much lower. Her lack of matchplay has only made this worse because playing matches is the best way to sharpen her ability to make shots under pressure. It's much too early in her career to panic, so while she needs to make changes, we should all relax a bit.

jetglo
Sep 26th, 2012, 04:21 AM
it is just not right to get offended so easily when people DARE to disagree with you, even mildly, isn't it?

It's not right to be offensive in the first place, why be surprised when others respond in kind? Personally, if I want to constantly hear how useless Sabine is I can go to GM, it's full of negative BS. Unfortunately it's the same here, so those of us who find all of that very tiresome don't have any options other than by trying to ignore it all, or by DARING to disagree. If someone wants to voice their strong opinion and they don't care how "in your face" they are, why shouldn't they cop the same in return?

jetglo
Sep 26th, 2012, 04:23 AM
Thank you for expressing what I have been thinking awhile on this forum. Some people here act as if they are entitled to grand slams through Sabine and if she doens't perform the way they expect then she owes them. She is the one who has dedicated her life to tennis and I would like to see anyone on here try to deal with the pressure of the WTA. I want her to turn things around and I do think she needs to make changes, but she is the one who makes the ultimate decisions. It's her career and I will continue to support her through the hard times (as I have done through the last three and a half years).

Anyone who was surprised by her latest results has not followed her career that closely. The only thing I was "stunned" by were the headlines that read "Watson Stuns Lisicki," although these headlines have actually become quite predictable. Just as Bolletieri described, Sabine's career has been like a Disney World Rollercoaster. I think she can become more consistent with some changes. (just as Azarenka has done in the past year).

Anyone who thinks she is more interested in modeling than in tennis doesn't know her very well. I think she may give the impression that she doesn't care in hard times because she doesn't throw rackets, yell at umpires, or snap at ballkids. But she holds a lot in and I think it's safe to say she cares as much as any player. In fact, I think her troubles in singles this year have largely stemmed from caring too much -- she seems to relax and play freely in doubles because the expectations (especially her own) are so much lower. Her lack of matchplay has only made this worse because playing matches is the best way to sharpen her ability to make shots under pressure. It's much too early in her career to panic, so while she needs to make changes, we should all relax a bit.

I agree completely with everything, it even reads like I'd written it myself, which is a bit weird. :lol: :hi5:

maturedgirl
Sep 26th, 2012, 04:56 AM
It's not right to be offensive in the first place, why be surprised when others respond in kind? Personally, if I want to constantly hear how useless Sabine is I can go to GM, it's full of negative BS. Unfortunately it's the same here, so those of us who find all of that very tiresome don't have any options other than by trying to ignore it all, or by DARING to disagree. If someone wants to voice their strong opinion and they don't care how "in your face" they are, why shouldn't they cop the same in return?

I will try to ignore it, cause I know its the bestway to handle.

How much she cares about her last result > watch her morning tweet, BTW at least she is in semis in dubs now. And especially the "saved/converted bps" stats show how much easier it is to play without pressure :rolleyes:

So its good to have matches in dubs to find back shots.

Beaumont
Sep 26th, 2012, 06:37 AM
How much she cares about her last result > watch her morning tweet, BTW at least she is in semis in dubs now. And especially the "saved/converted bps" stats show how much easier it is to play without pressure :rolleyes:

So its good to have matches in dubs to find back shots.

Those tweets were interesting. She's even said it herself.....I need more matches!

I think this proves that some posters on here claiming she should have gone to Quebec or China last week, may have had a point!

popinjay
Sep 26th, 2012, 06:55 AM
So its good to have matches in dubs to find back shots.

Nee, is klar, und darum spielt sie ja auch Doppel.

Selbst für das Preisgeld, das sie jetzt für das HF kassiert muss ein Porsche Arbeiter drei Monate am Band stehen, aber der fliegt ja auch nicht um die Welt. :lol:

jetglo
Sep 26th, 2012, 07:21 AM
Those tweets were interesting. She's even said it herself.....I need more matches!

I think this proves that some posters on here claiming she should have gone to Quebec or China last week, may have had a point!

It's obvious ideally she would need more matches leading in, but the decision to train instead, to work on fitness, was made for a reason, and a calculated risk taken.

If she'd played Quebec and re-injured herself, those same posters would be complaining about that decision too.

maurysicki
Sep 26th, 2012, 07:51 AM
Thank you for expressing what I have been thinking awhile on this forum. Some people here act as if they are entitled to grand slams through Sabine and if she doens't perform the way they expect then she owes them. She is the one who has dedicated her life to tennis and I would like to see anyone on here try to deal with the pressure of the WTA. I want her to turn things around and I do think she needs to make changes, but she is the one who makes the ultimate decisions. It's her career and I will continue to support her through the hard times (as I have done through the last three and a half years).

Anyone who was surprised by her latest results has not followed her career that closely. The only thing I was "stunned" by were the headlines that read "Watson Stuns Lisicki," although these headlines have actually become quite predictable. Just as Bolletieri described, Sabine's career has been like a Disney World Rollercoaster. I think she can become more consistent with some changes. (just as Azarenka has done in the past year).

Anyone who thinks she is more interested in modeling than in tennis doesn't know her very well. I think she may give the impression that she doesn't care in hard times because she doesn't throw rackets, yell at umpires, or snap at ballkids. But she holds a lot in and I think it's safe to say she cares as much as any player. In fact, I think her troubles in singles this year have largely stemmed from caring too much -- she seems to relax and play freely in doubles because the expectations (especially her own) are so much lower. Her lack of matchplay has only made this worse because playing matches is the best way to sharpen her ability to make shots under pressure. It's much too early in her career to panic, so while she needs to make changes, we should all relax a bit.

To my way of see things you have absolutely right. :)

I agree also with what they said Jetglo and boomerangkid.

When Sabine wins I'm happy and proud of her. When she lose I'm very disappointed and sad. This is sure. But I don't write tons of critique without to know if there was some improvement, with the presumption of teach Sabine or his staff. And some improvement there always, in the defeat too.*

*(Especially If I have not seen the match but only read a sad livescore).

For this cause I'm not so catastrophist on Sabine's future. If I'm in error to think this of Sabine, and she don't go long away in tennis career ok no problem.
This fact don't change my life.

For now I give her my support without compromise, happy when she wins, sad when she lose.

Relax people!

maturedgirl
Sep 26th, 2012, 08:05 AM
It's obvious ideally she would need more matches leading in, but the decision to train instead, to work on fitness, was made for a reason, and a calculated risk taken.

If she'd played Quebec and re-injured herself, those same posters would be complaining about that decision too.


:devil::yeah:

its funny how we always have to repeat the same arguments :hi5:

Love the way raymond tweeted about the match/ she wants to borrow returns from Lisicki :lol:

add: 100% d'accord @maurysicki ;)

jetglo
Sep 26th, 2012, 08:16 AM
Lisa Raymond ‏@lisaraymond73
Happy to be back in the semis here in Tokyo. Thx @sabinelisicki for both the laughs and those massive returns ; ) #caniborrowsome


I saw on live score Sabine seemed to struggle on serve a bit, but they were breaking easily and I thought of those "massive" returns. :lol:

joy division
Sep 26th, 2012, 08:37 AM
Relax people!

These two words is what I often think - being an observer of Sabine`s threads for about two years now.
Nothing against a controversial discussion but there`s often a lot of bad atmosphere in here.

maturedgirl
Sep 26th, 2012, 09:22 AM
These two words is what I often think - being an observer of Sabine`s threads for about two years now.
Nothing against a controversial discussion but there`s often a lot of bad atmosphere in here.

bc pple like to come in here who are no fans (carefully said) but its a fact that sabine is the top player with the most haters in this forum. :tape:

I remember, when I said something critical about Julia after her aga-desaster match in her subforum (and I like her though) I immediately got a warning PM and some very naughty and sabine abusing reputations (I don't dare to repeat). Since then I steer clear of her subf. though I really like her ;)

I really don't understand ppl who waste time bashing players or their fans/likers just for fun (=> lacking a job or a senseless hobby) :spit:

I saw on live score Sabine seemed to struggle on serve a bit, but they were breaking easily and I thought of those "massive" returns. didn't watch livescore (wake up at 5:2 in the second, when match was almost done) but when I watched stats and then read this tweet I had to smile and kept these returns in mind! =)

Ziva
Sep 26th, 2012, 09:22 AM
It's obvious ideally she would need more matches leading in, but the decision to train instead, to work on fitness, was made for a reason, and a calculated risk taken.

If she'd played Quebec and re-injured herself, those same posters would be complaining about that decision too.

Thats much to easy of an conclusion, she was fit at the USO and after, so reinjuring was not the problem.
Now she says she needs more matches, well we know that phrase, do we ?
So it was only fair to ask and still ask, why she didn't play an aditional tournament ! Because we know how she rolls actually.

She didn't do it, fine, but now she hasn't gotten any matches, so what happens next week, same phrase or a win out of nowhere ?

Nice to see her doing well in doubles, but it doesn't seem to help her singles much.

Now what is bad about critics like that ?
If it's not working you can discuss where the problems are.

Ziva
Sep 26th, 2012, 09:28 AM
I really don't understand ppl who waste time bashing players or their fans/likers just for fun (=> lacking a job or a senseless hobby) :spit:

You do it again and again, calling others no fans or say they lack something in their life, you can not be serious !! That's really childish.
They could also say you jumped on the bandwagon in Wimbledon 2011.....

maurysicki
Sep 26th, 2012, 09:30 AM
These two words is what I often think - being an observer of Sabine`s threads for about two years now.
Nothing against a controversial discussion but there`s often a lot of bad atmosphere in here.

Of course I'm not a blind man and I know the problems of Sabine today, but here sometimes seem to stay in a football fans pub where all are trainers.

Tennis has nothing to do with football. :rolleyes:

maturedgirl
Sep 26th, 2012, 10:03 AM
Thats much to easy of an conclusion, she was fit at the USO and after, so reinjuring was not the problem.
Now she says she needs more matches, well we know that phrase, do we ?
So it was only fair to ask and still ask, why she didn't play an aditional tournament ! Because we know how she rolls actually.

She didn't do it, fine, but now she hasn't gotten any matches, so what happens next week, same phrase or a win out of nowhere ?

Nice to see her doing well in doubles, but it doesn't seem to help her singles much.

Now what is bad about critics like that ?
If it's not working you can discuss where the problems are.

:facepalm: you know me a little ...not?

Its not the fact to critisize but its the way HOW you do it in a fan corner of a panel. With style and without parols à la tabloids! ;)

Excuse me, that I had no time for stuff like that until 2011! I started watching her long before Wimby 2011 btw, but some more important things in my personal life prevented me following the tennis scene as I did before :p and whatever shit she does on court, I finally would never bash her or arrogate to myself, knowing whats the best for a person I don't even know personally!


Bandwagon means to change faves when they fail, thats not my style, had only 4 faves in 20 years (women's side/ only leaving them when they stopped career).
I really wonder how your posts differ from the PMs your writing to me ;) :lol:

And sorry, when I won't answer the next hours - > have to cook meal and care about my family :wavey:

Ziva
Sep 26th, 2012, 10:13 AM
:facepalm: you know me a little ...not?

Its not the fact to critisize but its the way HOW you do it in a fan corner of a panel. With style and without parols à la tabloids! ;)

Excuse me, that I had no time for stuff like that until 2011! I started watching her long before Wimby 2011 btw, but some more important things in my personal life prevented me following the tennis scene as I did before :p and whatever shit she does on court, I finally would never bash her or arrogate to myself, knowing whats the best for a person I don't even know personally!


Bandwagon means to change faves when they fail, thats not my style, had only 4 faves in 20 years (women's side/ only leaving them when they stopped career).
I really wonder how your posts differ from the PMs your writing to me ;) :lol:

And sorry, when I won't answer the next hours - > have to cook meal and care about my family :wavey:

i did not question your commitment at all, i just said one could do so, as you do it all the time when you dislike someones opinion.
I do not know you as you don't know anyone here, so don't say they have no social life or a job :help:
Thats all i'm saying !!

Jumping a bandwagon has nothing to do with changing favs :facepalm:

There is no bashing, just different opinions on how to end this loosing streak.

I said nothing different here at all, since i said its 2009/10 Lisicki again and that she has to change something which is obvious ;)

Sabinator.
Sep 26th, 2012, 01:14 PM
Huge discussion going on here :eek:

I must say I'm dissapointed for her scores now, it's normal, but I dont want to torment on her, cause it just doesn't do anything. She has a hard period of her career, that's for sure. But... after all... it won't last forever. She just have too much talent to dissapear completely. We waited for her all the time to just back on the court. We just must be still patient, she needs to change something around her too, cause sometimes changes are neccesary. We must stay positive like she does and allways be, no matter what :)

Jimmie48
Sep 26th, 2012, 01:17 PM
For what it's worth, the Asian swing is always a complicated tournament for many players. After the USO players are pretty much burned out, the long travel etc.

Match quality has been down all week, the Li vs. Caro match was a complete disaster, Sharapova's playing like garbage etc. It's not like other players are playing anywhere near their peak level so that might be something to take into consideration.

Ziva
Sep 26th, 2012, 01:18 PM
Huge discussion going on here :eek:

I must say I'm dissapointed for her scores now, it's normal, but I dont want to torment on her, cause it just doesn't do anything. She has a hard period of her career, that's for sure. But... after all... it won't last forever. She just have too much talent to dissapear completely. We waited for her all the time to just back on the court. We just must be still patient, she needs to change something around her too, cause sometimes changes are neccesary. We must stay positive like she does and allways be, no matter what :)

i couldn't agree more but the fear this slump will go on and on is in all of us :sad:

Sabinator.
Sep 26th, 2012, 01:28 PM
i couldn't agree more but the fear this slump will go on and on is in all of us :sad:

I know what you mean. We all remember thus we passed throught in 08/09... Those were horrible times. But what we can do? :sobbing: We're powerless... All we can do is cheering her more and more, but it's getting tougher and tougher every loss she suffer :sobbing:

TimeyWimey
Sep 26th, 2012, 01:54 PM
good thing tennisforum intelligently put all the asinine comments regarding social life in page 7 so we don't have to deal with that anymore

things look pretty much as expected in doubles, not sure semifinal will guarantee RaySicki a slot in centre, but hope so :)

Patrick345
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:40 AM
For what it's worth, the Asian swing is always a complicated tournament for many players. After the USO players are pretty much burned out, the long travel etc.

Match quality has been down all week, the Li vs. Caro match was a complete disaster, Sharapova's playing like garbage etc. It's not like other players are playing anywhere near their peak level so that might be something to take into consideration.

But these other players actually had a season and therefore a reason. Sharapova will try to re-peak a last time this year at the YEC after being a model of consistency all year. Lisicki has played three matches since the Olympics. She has played only 33 matches this year. Others reached that mark in April. She should be the one taking advantage of these circumstances not losing to Heather Watson in the 1st round.

Mike81
Sep 27th, 2012, 12:03 PM
Some fans you lot are! Blind to her shortcomings in her game. Do you want her to become NO.1 with at least one Singles Slam or don't you? Or is it to be only on YOUR terms? Close your eyes, it'll all be all right soon-ish...maybe...:facepalm:

It's all sugar & smiles in the world of Sabine fans. Pity THE REALITY is different.

It doesn't matter what we want, we need Bine to get her game right and really want it herself and I'm sure she does. I'm not here to demand results from Bine though because that's not my place, I'm just here to support her through the ups and downs. If you follow sports players or teams expecting success all the time or elese then you get disappointed quickly and soon drop out. If I wanted to follow someone who would be likely to win slams reguarly and win titles, I'd follow Serena, but I prefer Bine for her style of game, her personality, her sweet smile, her fight and I've become very attached to her. I don't just love her because she once answered my tweets like alot of people think, I liked her before that and even though she doesn't answer me anymore I probably am more interested in her tennis specifically than before. Unfortunately I did not see the match against Watson so I don't know the main problems from her loss, all I can do is follow her matches and send her supportive tweets.

I've said before that she needed a sustained period without injury/illness before we rush to judgement of her form and future prospects. Although this string of Round 1 exits in worrying. God love the sweet soul, she is quite a private person so who knows what other off field events are getting into her mind and maybe she is having trouble putting it altogether right now and we don't even know the reasons. What is the use to criticise so much? I'm only here to support. Sabine is not a racehorse that must perform for me as if I have a bet on her.

Although It is pretty hard to fathom how she cannot have won a match outside Wimbledon for 6 months but it is true, how she cannot get her serve or groundstrokes to the level we expect, and is a strong blow to her pride and the pride of her fans. I dread going into GM to read the haters comments as well. I still do not believe that she will stoop to ITF level or her career being in trouble yet, that is too pessimistic. Even if she did plummet so much I would still love her and support her. Whatever her fans think or recommend won't influence her decisions, all I can do is be a supportive fan. It's not like my passion for other players in my sig- Sorana, Vika or Makiri is half as much as my passion for Bine. I'm stuck with Bine and have no choice but to accept her disappointments and losses, just like a father keeps supporting his daughter no matter what, I offer Bine my love :hearts: encouragement and reassuring words on twitter and facebook, however small that support is in the scheme of things.

Binee forever :kiss: I certainly wouldn't drop her as my fave even if she dropped to 100.
I love her too much :hug:

maurysicki
Sep 27th, 2012, 12:20 PM
Right words Mike. :)

Sabinator.
Sep 27th, 2012, 12:45 PM
It doesn't matter what we want, we need Bine to get her game right and really want it herself and I'm sure she does. I'm not here to demand results from Bine though because that's not my place, I'm just here to support her through the ups and downs. If you follow sports players or teams expecting success all the time or elese then you get disappointed quickly and soon drop out. If I wanted to follow someone who would be likely to win slams reguarly and win titles, I'd follow Serena, but I prefer Bine for her style of game, her personality, her sweet smile, her fight and I've become very attached to her. I don't just love her because she once answered my tweets like alot of people think, I liked her before that and even though she doesn't answer me anymore I probably am more interested in her tennis specifically than before. Unfortunately I did not see the match against Watson so I don't know the main problems from her loss, all I can do is follow her matches and send her supportive tweets.

I've said before that she needed a sustained period without injury/illness before we rush to judgement of her form and future prospects. Although this string of Round 1 exits in worrying. God love the sweet soul, she is quite a private person so who knows what other off field events are getting into her mind and maybe she is having trouble putting it altogether right now and we don't even know the reasons. What is the use to criticise so much? I'm only here to support. Sabine is not a racehorse that must perform for me as if I have a bet on her.

Although It is pretty hard to fathom how she cannot have won a match outside Wimbledon for 6 months but it is true, how she cannot get her serve or groundstrokes to the level we expect, and is a strong blow to her pride and the pride of her fans. I dread going into GM to read the haters comments as well. I still do not believe that she will stoop to ITF level or her career being in trouble yet, that is too pessimistic. Even if she did plummet so much I would still love her and support her. Whatever her fans think or recommend won't influence her decisions, all I can do is be a supportive fan. It's not like my passion for other players in my sig- Sorana, Vika or Makiri is half as much as my passion for Bine. I'm stuck with Bine and have no choice but to accept her disappointments and losses, just like a father keeps supporting his daughter no matter what, I offer Bine my love :hearts: encouragement and reassuring words on twitter and facebook, however small that support is in the scheme of things.

Binee forever :kiss: I certainly wouldn't drop her as my fave even if she dropped to 100.
I love her too much :hug:

That's the real cherring :yeah:

Ian Aberdon
Sep 27th, 2012, 06:21 PM
Don't worry Mike - I would never place a bet on Sabs! :lol:

Yes my criticism is harsh, but surely someone in her team must be wondering if it isn't time for a different approach. Too inconsistent, too injury-prone, too many losses with the current regime.

Make no mistake, I want Sabs to win more WTA events, get into the Top 10, win a Slam - & not necessarily even in that order! But she's nowhere near that right now, & at the moment no end in sight to the slump.

jetglo
Sep 28th, 2012, 05:34 AM
bc pple like to come in here who are no fans (carefully said) but its a fact that sabine is the top player with the most haters in this forum. :tape:

I remember, when I said something critical about Julia after her aga-disaster match in her subforum (and I like her though) I immediately got a warning PM and some very naughty and sabine abusing reputations (I don't dare to repeat). Since then I steer clear of her subf. though I really like her ;)

I really don't understand ppl who waste time bashing players or their fans/likers just for fun (=> lacking a job or a senseless hobby) :spit:

I'm surprised they're so defensive, I used to go there too, but it was way too negative. Some of the same posters come here too, with the same attitude.

I remember on Julia's live score thread, it's quiet until she starts to do badly, then they appear with their venomous criticism and predictions of doom and gloom. If Julia turns it around and plays better they stop posting, and if she wins, they may appear to repeat the earlier criticism but barely acknowledge the win. It's hard not to think they're there just for the defeat rather than the victory! :lol:

Thats much too easy of an conclusion, she was fit at the USO and after, so reinjuring was not the problem.
Now she says she needs more matches, well we know that phrase, do we ?
So it was only fair to ask and still ask, why she didn't play an aditional tournament ! Because we know how she rolls actually.

She didn't do it, fine, but now she hasn't gotten any matches, so what happens next week, same phrase or a win out of nowhere ?

Nice to see her doing well in doubles, but it doesn't seem to help her singles much.

Now what is bad about critics like that ?
If it's not working you can discuss where the problems are.

Discussing where the problems are, based only on speculation? How do you know how fit she was for the USO? You say she was just because she played, but isn't that an easy conclusion too?
Didn't she play the Olympics with the Wimbledon injury still?

The fact they decided not to play afterwards, but to train instead indicates that all was not as well as it could be. The alternative view is what? Back to the "they're all stupid and ruining her career theory?" :rolleyes:

Just because she says she needs more matches in a tweet doesn't infer she regrets the preparation she did, or the decision not to play beforehand, it's just stating the obvious. Sometimes difficult choices need to be made and it comes down to one thing or another, not both.

Often, too much gets written into simple tweets here. They are just a few lines for the casual fan, not something that should be speculated about endlessly. It's not the place for a breakdown on all the reasons behind what she does.




I don't know if any here have done any athletic competition but from personal experience (not with tennis), getting injured is the worst thing an athlete has to go through. Not only is there so much time wasted, a slow recuperation with much reduced training and the frustration and impatience tempting you to overdo things and cause re-injury, but worst of all, no playing/competition. All grinding work and no fun to offset it.

Repeat injuries are even worse, you know immediately what lies in store. It can just do your head in. Some here seem to assume because she keeps getting injured, the approach taken with these injuries must be wrong, and that something needs to change. How can anyone assume that different approaches haven't already been tried? Anyone who has been through one bad injury is desperate to avoid going through all that again.

Just because you seek advice from a specialist (and IMG have many), there is no guarantee that what is recommended will definitely work. The human body is very complex, many need an individual approach. One can or at least should assume that if there were only easy answers to her problems, they would have been discovered long ago.

Because I've been through some similar problems, including a leg cast, I tend to be very sympathetic to what she's going through. Her media face might always be happy and smiling, but I'm sure underneath she's being driven crazy by all the injury problems and endless disappointments, despite working so hard.

She suffers so much more than any of her fans, and continues to do so without complaint. I wish some of her "fans" would adopt her as a role model in that regard. :lol:

Lisickinator
Sep 28th, 2012, 06:42 AM
Beijing

[1] Victoria Azarenka vs Alize Cornet
Sabine Lisicki vs Anabel Medina Garrigues
Mona Barthel vs Q
Tamira Paszek vs [14] Kaia Kanepi


Good draw if Azarenka pulls out.

no doubles this week

Sabinator.
Sep 28th, 2012, 07:47 AM
Medina :facepalm: It's unwinnable draw for Sabine these days :tears:

maturedgirl
Sep 28th, 2012, 07:59 AM
Discussing where the problems are, based only on speculation? How do you know how fit she was for the USO? You say she was just because she played, but isn't that an easy conclusion too?
Didn't she play the Olympics with the Wimbledon injury still?

The fact they decided not to play afterwards, but to train instead indicates that all was not as well as it could be. The alternative view is what? Back to the "they're all stupid and ruining her career theory?" :rolleyes:

Often, too much gets written into simple tweets here.

I don't know if any here have done any athletic competition:yeah: but from personal experience (not with tennis), getting injured is the worst thing an athlete has to go through.

Anyone who has been through one bad injury is desperate to avoid going through all that again.

... if there were only easy answers to her problems, they would have been discovered long ago.

Her media face might always be happy and smiling, but I'm sure underneath she's being driven crazy by all the injury problems and endless disappointments, despite working so hard. :yeah:

She suffers so much more than any of her fans, and continues to do so without complaint. I wish some of her "fans" would adopt her as a role model in that regard. :lol::angel:

:worship:

thanks sooo much for this post. I didn't read in here for 2 days cause some posters are annoying me, but when I read your nick, I opened it and only wanna thank you (quoted the keys from my view!:angel:)

Medina It's unwinnable draw for Sabine these days

Not the type of player she likes to play anyway but beatable, of course ;)

Jimmie48
Sep 28th, 2012, 08:17 AM
Draw looks pretty tough but I very much expect Vika to withdraw, so it's not that bad... but she has to get past R1 first of course.

Michael!
Sep 28th, 2012, 10:16 AM
AMG in 1st round, couldn´t be much easier but still doesn´t mean that Sabine will win.
She had some matches in Tokyo at least, hopefully doubles with Raymond also helped her a bit.
Sabine had to retire in Bali last year against AMG, played horrible before but still had all chances before it got worse in 3rd set, so she really should win it somehow this time, another 1st round defeat would be just bad!

Saraya!
Sep 28th, 2012, 10:28 AM
Schon wieder so eine einfache erste Runde...vielleicht reisst sie sich ja mal zusammen..

Ziva
Sep 28th, 2012, 02:47 PM
......

No she said she was fit again at the USO, if you missed it ;)

We don't know why she didn't take those WC's, but it's a bit of a Joke if one says, i need matches after every loss and then doesn't play a tournament for Weeks, i know it's just a phrase she says over Twitter, but it's not choosen very wisely then.

About the injury i agree, but it's not about the injury, she wasn't injured more compared to other years and the results are much worse.

I still think she needs a huge change to get back on track, you don't have to agree with me, but no one should talk down to other people because of that. ;)
Too much mommys and big brothers here sometimes talking down on others they barely know because of different opinions.

Leben und leben lassen ;)



Let's look ahead:

AMG up next, beatable, if Sabine can use her serve and overpower her, if not :help:

jetglo
Sep 28th, 2012, 06:50 PM
No she said she was fit again at the USO, if you missed it ;)

I'm not sure I believe her, did she say she was fit for the Olympics too? ;)

We don't know why she didn't take those WC's, but it's a bit of a Joke if one says, i need matches after every loss and then doesn't play a tournament for Weeks, i know it's just a phrase she says over Twitter, but it's not choosen very wisely then.

No, we don't know why, but I'd rather think it was for a good reason......... maybe pina coladas and sex in the pool for a month? Lucky girl... ;)

About the injury i agree, but it's not about the injury, she wasn't injured more compared to other years and the results are much worse.

I still think she needs a huge change to get back on track, you don't have to agree with me, but no one should talk down to other people because of that. ;)

I just don't know enough about her exact problems or the potential solutions to have an informed opinion, and with almost no information available, I'm unsure how others can do much better. ;)
However, if you have a convincing argument outlining what changes you think are needed, why they are needed, and the information that is all based on, I'm only too happy to listen and learn.
Also, it wasn't my intention to talk down to you, so if that's how it seemed, I'm sorry. :)

Too much mommys and big brothers here sometimes talking down on others they barely know because of different opinions.
And usually the most aggressively negative doing the worst of it.

Leben und leben lassen ;)
Give as you expect to receive :)



Let's look ahead:

AMG up next, beatable, if Sabine can use her serve and overpower her, if not :help:

The doubles live scores weren't exactly filling me full of confidence in that serve, but I'm hoping for the best. :)

Ziva
Sep 28th, 2012, 07:32 PM
i was not refering to you at all, just in general it gets a bit too heated sometimes, better results will change that hopefully.:)

So Go Bine

JohnMcP
Sep 29th, 2012, 01:54 AM
We don't know why she didn't take those WC's, but it's a bit of a Joke if one says, i need matches after every loss and then doesn't play a tournament for Weeks, i know it's just a phrase she says over Twitter, but it's not choosen very wisely then.


While I agree she needs matches, her first priority is maintaining her health and her ab injury is a very tricky one. It takes a long time to heal and is hard to tell whether it has completely healed. My favorite baseball team, the Oakland A's, have shelved their top pitcher, Brett Anderson, for the entire last month of the season even though they are in the heat of a pennant race. I think he has pretty much the same ab injury Sabine has. Because balancing getting enough matches with health can be so tricky, I will have to defer to Sabine's judgment in this regard.

misty1
Oct 1st, 2012, 12:22 PM
so hapy she gt the win:bounce:

im kind of afraid of the match agains vika though

Jimmie48
Oct 1st, 2012, 12:35 PM
Well there's nothing to be afraid of imo, for once she's in a "can't lose" situation. Everybody expects her to lose so if she does, it's no big deal. If she can make it a competitive match on the other hand it will give her a nice boost.

maurysicki
Oct 1st, 2012, 12:47 PM
So happy for the win!

:cheer::cheer::cheer:

Go past the first round is fundamental for she in these times
I am worried but hopeful for the next match. Is not the first time she fight against a number 1. She can astonish us again. :tape:

Ziva
Oct 1st, 2012, 01:13 PM
finally won a match again :cheer::bigclap:

Nothing to lose in R2

Sabinator.
Oct 1st, 2012, 01:41 PM
A win! :eek: :eek: :eek: :inlove: :woohoo:

Well there's nothing to be afraid of imo, for once she's in a "can't lose" situation. Everybody expects her to lose so if she does, it's no big deal. If she can make it a competitive match on the other hand it will give her a nice boost.

Exactly :)

rucolo
Oct 1st, 2012, 02:36 PM
Sabine won a match again ! :D;)

Nice choking at 6-3 5-4 serving for the match. lol Typical Sabine lost the next 3 games.

The meetings with Azarenka were very close. Upset her, Sabine :devil:

Michael!
Oct 1st, 2012, 02:45 PM
Good fight from Sabine and an important win! :D

First set was good it seems, good serve stats there and no problems, 2nd set her serve got weaker again, just like last week, 3 breaks against her are just too much and of course from *54 to 57 but shows that Sabine doesnt have the confidence right now to hold serve in such crucial moments.
I think she even lost her serve three times in a row but then finally was able to hold again for a 31 lead in 3rd set, that was most important, that she was able to recover from it and then also was able to serve it out for the match this time. Serve wasnt great in 3rd set as well it seems but on hard Sabine is just much better in general than AMG! :)

Now against Azarenka, no pressure there, hope she shows some good tennis.
She won´t be able to play her best immediately again but hope she is able to take some positive things from this match, so important for her to end the season with a good feeling.

Dorien.
Oct 1st, 2012, 06:49 PM
Nice to see her winning to matches in a row :)

lovethetennis
Oct 1st, 2012, 07:21 PM
Vika leads the HTH 2-0. Both matches went to 3 sets and both were on hard court. http://www.wtatennis.com/headtohead/victoria-azarenka_2255881_11289/0,,12781~11289~11771,00.html

Since the pressure is not really on Sabine, I think she has a great chance on Tuesday. :D

misty1
Oct 1st, 2012, 08:00 PM
Well there's nothing to be afraid of imo, for once she's in a "can't lose" situation. Everybody expects her to lose so if she does, it's no big deal. If she can make it a competitive match on the other hand it will give her a nice boost.

its true that in one sense there's nothing to lose. No one expects her to win thats for sure. The one thing i can say is that in the past some of her best wins in her career have been when no one expected her too, her wins against li na and maria at wimbledon these last 2 years for example. However im just kind of concerned vika will crush her given the form the respective 2 have this year

Mike81
Oct 2nd, 2012, 04:36 AM
Tough match against Vika, one of my other faves but clearly less important to me than Bine. I hope Bine will put up a good fight and she can lift for top players so let's not write her off.

maturedgirl
Oct 2nd, 2012, 08:19 AM
I don't expect her winning even more since I saw the first set of vika yesterday but unfortunately I probably can't watch her last bejing match (bdayparty in my house)...so please post the match process guys in here so that I can rewatch it (if you know what I mean) later ^_^

Wanna know all about it and some screenshots were great too ;)

Dorien.
Oct 2nd, 2012, 05:27 PM
Bine :hug:

TimeyWimey
Oct 3rd, 2012, 12:32 AM
bit relieved after today's match, it feels like drawing conclusion to her season for me. the powerful display of world no 1 may make my words partial, but i'm fairly sure i saw the player i admire and cherish this morning, nothing is more important after a long treacherous journey away from home

her 2012 has never been the way all of us had expected it to be, except for brief joys at wimbledon, like crepuscular rays in the sky. but no one in the world of tennis could deal with these impacts of struggle better than the girl we love, "give me a challenge and i'll meet it with joy." that's her answer all the time

i have always had faith in and respect for all the endeavors from Bine and her team, nothing happened this year has changed that a bit, and i sincerely apologize for my occasional childish comments

welcome home, Bine :)

maurysicki
Oct 3rd, 2012, 12:31 PM
bit relieved after today's match, it feels like drawing conclusion to her season for me. the powerful display of world no 1 may make my words partial, but i'm fairly sure i saw the player i admire and cherish this morning, nothing is more important after a long treacherous journey away from home

her 2012 has never been the way all of us had expected it to be, except for brief joys at wimbledon, like crepuscular rays in the sky. but no one in the world of tennis could deal with these impacts of struggle better than the girl we love, "give me a challenge and i'll meet it with joy." that's her answer all the time

I agree completely with you. :)

Michael!
Oct 3rd, 2012, 06:34 PM
Sabine will be 8th seed in Linz, got lucky here at least :)
hopefully faces Cornet or Cadantu in 1st round :oh: