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ArcticMoose
Sep 3rd, 2012, 05:15 AM
:cheer:Onwards to Asia….


:angel:Petra has never won a WTA Title todate (Sep 12) in the Asian legs of the tour at the beginning or the latter part of the annual WTA tour:drive: ;) so here’s hoping she will breakthrough in Asia very soon on the (less humid ;)) Asian Outdoor Hard courts.....

:worship:To date she has won 9 WTA Tour Titles : 5 in Europe (Istanbul is at the European/Asian Cross roads;)) 2 in Australia & 2 in North America..:bigclap:

:bounce: The Curator of the Petra Kvitova Trophy Cabinet awaits the delivery of goodies with eager anticipation….


http://i51.tinypic.com/b3qsfa.gifEnjoy the journey folks on the exotic foray in to Asia on the Kvitty Bandwagon …..:hatoff:

ArcticMoose
Sep 3rd, 2012, 05:17 AM
Petra Kvitová Global Fan Base Anthem / Song

RFxNWJvPG0U


QUEEN - We Are The Champions lyrics

I've paid my dues
Time after time
I've done my sentence
But committed no crime
And bad mistakes
I've made a few
I've had my share of sand kicked in my face
But I've come through
(And we mean to go on and on and on and on)

We are the champions my friend
And we'll keep on fightin' till the end
We are the champions, We are the champions
No time for losers 'cause we are the champions

Of the world

I've taken my bows
And my curtain calls
You brought me fame and fortune and everything that
goes with it
I thank you all

But it's been no bed of roses
No pleasure cruise
I consider it a challenge before the whole human race
And I ain't gonna lose

We are the champions my friend
And we'll keep on fighting till the end
We are the champions
We are the champions
No time for losers
'cause we are the champions

Of the world

We are the champions my friend
And we'll keep on fighting till the end
We are the champions
We are the champions
No time for losers
'cause we are the champions.

Excelscior
Sep 3rd, 2012, 05:19 AM
:cheer:Onwards to Asia….


:angel:Petra has never won a WTA Title todate (Sep 12) in the Asian legs of the tour at the beginning or the latter part of the annual WTA tour:drive: ;) so here’s hoping she will breakthrough in Asia very soon on the (less humid ;)) Asian Outdoor Hard courts.....

:worship:To date she has won 9 WTA Tour Titles : 5 in Europe (Istanbul is at the European/Asian Cross roads;)) 2 in Australia & 2 in North America..:bigclap:

:bounce: The Curator of the Petra Kvitova Trophy Cabinet awaits the delivery of goodies with eager anticipation….


http://i51.tinypic.com/b3qsfa.gifEnjoy the journey folks on the exotic foray in to Asia on the Kvitty Bandwagon …..:hatoff:

I guess after what we witnessed tonight, you like me (and some of us others), have no choice but to move on and not be mad, huh Moose (or you just keeping it in)? :lol:

Strange match tonight to say the least. :oh:

ArcticMoose
Sep 3rd, 2012, 05:32 AM
I guess after what we witnessed tonight, you like me (and some of us others), have no choice but to move on and not be mad, huh Moose (or you just keeping it in)? :lol:

Strange match tonight to say the least. :oh:

Kvitty's Tennis Life Journey has many twists & turns some albeit very cruel valleys - we have seen & experienced some of these todate but yet more to come - there are times for tears & mourning and moments for looking ahead ... to the Glorius Mountain Tops just around the corner & ahead of us!

Excelscior
Sep 3rd, 2012, 05:38 AM
Kvitty's Tennis Life Journey has many twists & turns some albeit very cruel valleys - we have seen & experienced some of these todate but yet more to come - there are times for tears & mourning and moments for looking ahead ... to the Glorius Mountain Tops just around the corner & ahead of us!

Well said. And I have nothing else to say (hopefully that's not a suicide watch ode to Petra). :lol: Just kidding of course.

bruce goose
Sep 4th, 2012, 05:22 AM
Nice timing from Moose in starting this thread;sometimes,opening a new,relevant thread is exactly what's needed to get the foul taste of an ultra-crappy loss out of your system.If Petra can do well in Asia,then it'll be FAR easier to put yesterday's whatever-the-hell-that-was out of our minds.....The good thing about being in Asia is that Petra won't be the worst English-speaker by a long shot compared to those young,local WCs in the MDs:lol:

Synth
Sep 4th, 2012, 02:10 PM
Thanks for starting this thread Moose. Looking forward to the swing.

ShiftyFella
Sep 4th, 2012, 02:47 PM
If Petra takes at least 1 title and advances in others to semis or better i would be happiest man on earth and that horrific lose to Cake finally would be erased from my mind:)

Excelscior
Sep 4th, 2012, 03:00 PM
OK guys, since the US Open for Petra is over, let's talk about something else for the upcoming Asian Swing, and ultimately the start of 2013 (till Tokyo starts of course).

In one of Queen Petra Fans most recent post, he mentioned an excellent suggestion which may of been overlooked. He said (if I remember correctly), that Petra should move out of the Czech Republic to a warmer climate (which I've always believed). And he also mentioned, she should at least practice in an outdoor facility. I hope I'm not misquoting him. :oh:

I happen to concur with both. You ever notice most top golfers and tennis players live in warm weather climates? Very few live in cold weather environments?

Now I don't know if Petra is ready to leave the Czech Republic at this stage (especially since Kotyza lives there). But I agree with QPF, that if she's not going to practice onsite in Asia (when ever she prepares for tennis again), it should be in an outdoor facility, preferably in a warm weather environment. If Petra's serious about making moves in her tennis career, this is something she should consider, especially at the end of 2012/start of the 2012 season.

Prostejov is an indoor facility (I have no idea what the weather is in the Czech Republic today, by the way), even though I remember Petra saying they were supposed to get outdoor courts in the future as well. Obviously Petra had a comfortably on Indoor courts, cause of Prostejov. But because of Petra's tennis immaturity, she didn't open up to Outdoor hardcourts every where equally as well, though her game obviously/easily translated to both.

That's why I was so mad when Petra had gotten that cold/virus earlier this year. I didn't think she should of been in the Czech Republic during a snow storm/the cold in the first place. I'm sure Petra can find away to live somewhere else, while maintaining her Czech citizenship. At worst, she can live/vacation elsewhere when the weather is cold or contains allergens in the Czech Republic.

At this point the only time Petra should be in the Czech Republic, is when she doesn't plan to play tennis and just visit family, relax, etc, when it's warm. Anytime she does wants to play tennis, I think she should practice somewhere else, unless it's warm and outdoors in the Czech Republic (and even that I probably don't agree with), if she can't officially move.

What do you guys think?

ShiftyFella
Sep 4th, 2012, 03:15 PM
What do you guys think?

I think she needs at least during offseason practicing somewhere hot like Australia





In one of Queen Petra Fans most recent post, he mentioned an excellent suggestion which may of been overlooked. He said (if I remember correctly), that Petra should move out of the Czech Republic to a warmer climate (which I've always believed). And he also mentioned, she should at least practice in an outdoor facility. I hope I'm not misquoting him. :oh:

actually it was me:oh:

Excelscior
Sep 4th, 2012, 03:57 PM
I think she needs at least during offseason practicing somewhere hot like Australia




actually it was me:oh:

Now I think he did to. I just probably didn't read or remember yours (sorry shifty). :lol:

Petra had gotten sick earlier this year (before Doha), cause she had gotten a virus/cold in Czech Republic.

I for one flipped out, cause I didn't think she should of been there in the first place during a snowstorm in the middle of the tennis season.

This carried over till Indian Wells, cause not only was Petra sick and weak, but she hadn't practiced. And if you remembered, she lost all her energy in the second set, after bludgeoning McHale in the first, cause she was zapped for energy.

The other thing was, Petra obviously had the game to play well on both indoor and outdoor hardcourts (cause she played well on outdoor clay and Grass), but do to her immaturity she had an affinity for indoor hardcourts and only seemed to like outdoor hard courts in Australia. :lol:

As far as your last suggestion. I know she likes Australia, but I don't think Petra will ever move there. Too far. Of course she could practice there for the start of 2012 :lol: She did arrive a week before the Hopman Cup in Perth Australia this year (after of course hurting herself in the Czech league several weeks earlier).

I think she should move to warm weather climate in Europe, since she seems to like it there so much, or just vacation, spend time away from the Czech Republic when it's cold.

Petra may also consider extended time in America after before Indian Wells and after Wimbledon as well. She may not have to play every tournament (like she almost did this year on the NA summer hardcourt swing), but she can get more comfortable with the cities and environments in between tournaments this way.

And she should definitely not practice much at Prostejov anymore (especially if they continue to have no outdoor hardcourts). There's no need to.

Berdych lives in Monaco (or at least that's his official residence now), and he's a member of the club as well.

ShiftyFella
Sep 4th, 2012, 03:59 PM
Petra had gotten sick earlier this year (before Doha), cause she had gotten a virus/cold in Czech Republic.

I for one flipped out, cause I didn't think she should of been there in the first place during a snowstorm, in the middle of the tennis season.

This carried over till Indian Wells, cause not only was Petra sick and weak, but she hadn't practiced. And if you remembered, she lost all her energy in the second set, after bludgeoning McHale in the first, cause she was zapped for energy.

The other thing was, Petra obviously had the game to play well on both indoor and outdoor hardcourts (cause she played well on outdoor clay and Grass), but do to her immaturity she had an affinity for indoor hardcourts and only seemed to like outdoor hard courts in Australia. :lol:

As far as your last suggestion. I know she likes Australia, but I don't think Petra will ever move there. Too far. Of course she couold practice there for the start of 2012 :lol: She did arrive a week before the Hopman Cup in Perth Australia this year (after of course she hurt herself in the Czech league prior).

I think she should move to warm weather climate in Europe, since she seems to like it there so much, or just vacation, spend time away from the Czech Republic when it's cold.

And she should definitely not practice much at Prostejov anymore (especially if they continue to have no outdoor hardcourts). There's no need to.

Berdych lives in Monaco (or at least that's his official residence now), and he's a member of the club.
I don't belive Petra would leave Czech, she is not comfortable with her english skills and too much of a hommie person, maybe having underage boyfriend is the case too. I believe best solution is to have offseason training facility somewhere like Australia not just because of warm weather\stuff but because there are no distractions, also she needs her fitness coach always with her in order to correct rest-fitness balance between matches during season. Kotyza wouldn't be an issue Kvitty used to not having him on the tour or maybe he likes this idea too, bringing his family for nice vacation while coaching Petra.

Excelscior
Sep 4th, 2012, 04:11 PM
I don't belive Petra would leave Czech, she is not comfortable with her english skills and too much of a hommie person, maybe having underage boyfriend is the case too. I believe best solution is to have offseason training facility somewhere like Australia not just because of warm weather\stuff but because there are no distractions, also she needs her fitness coach always with her in order to correct rest-fitness balance between matches during season. Kotyza wouldn't be an issue Kvitty used to not having him on the tour or maybe he likes this idea too, bringing his family for nice vacation while coaching Petra.

Good Points shifty, on why Australia would be a good location (no publicity or pressure). I still think it's too far though (which I'm sure is one of your points). Lol

Yeah, I don't think Petra would ever change her citizenship either. But in reality, most of these players (including Petra), spend little time in their native lands anyway. :lol:

Yes, if Petra wants to maintain Czech citizenship, fine. But she should definitely vacation (especially when it's cold), and practice outside the Czech Republic.

Petra should only drop in for tennis in one of those pre-Season tournament Czech leagues deals. However, she has to be smart enough next time not to get hurt trying to win a needless match during Pre Pre Pre season. :lol:

Yeah, I guess Kotyza won't mind a paid for trip to a warm climate. But the reason why I brought him up was, who's Petra going to stay with when she's out the country (unless she brings her family, friends and/or doesn't mind being alone), when she's not practicing?

I think Petra's English is fine. If she can conduct press conferences, I'm sure she can function in a foreign country. And it's funny you brought up English. How you know what country I wanted her to move and/or vacation to (and didn't you bring Up English speaking Australia yourself)? :lol: Plus, how could she be uncomfortable in English speaking environments, when she claims she loves England, Australian and NY is one of her favorite cities? :lol:

If Berdych, Wozniaki and Djokovic can move to Monaco (the south of France) and function, then Petra can move to a similar French or Italian International resort herself. Hell, she can even move or vacation to some warm, quiet village somewhere in Europe, for all I care. :lol:

Petra should want to improve her English (with out just reading books) anyway. That would be good for her, and make her even better/more comfortable during the US swing. Keep in mind, Petra is comfortable where ever she wins. If Petra wins Tokyo, she'll claim that's 'Japan is one of her favorite countries, Tokyo is one of her favorite cities', and 'she loves the Japanese language'. I promise you. :lol:

Good stuff.

ShiftyFella
Sep 4th, 2012, 05:03 PM
Good Points shifty, on why Australia would be a good location (no publicity or pressure). I still think it's too far though (which I'm sure is one of your points). Lol

Yeah, I don't think Petra would ever change her citizenship either. But in reality, most of these players (including Petra), spend little time in their native lands anyway. :lol:

Yes, if Petra wants to maintain Czech citizenship, fine. But she should definitely vacation (especially when it's cold), and practice outside the Czech Republic.

Petra should only drop in for tennis in one of those pre-Season tournament Czech leagues deals. However, she has to be smart enough next time not to get hurt trying to win a needless match during Pre Pre Pre season. :lol:

Yeah, I guess Kotyza won't mind a paid for trip to a warm climate. But the reason why I brought him up was, who's Petra going to stay with when she's out the country (unless she brings her family, friends and/or doesn't mind being alone), when she's not practicing?

I think Petra's English fine. If she can conduct press conferences, I'm sure she can function in a foreign country. And it's funny you brought up English. How you know what country I wanted her to move and/or vacation to (and didn't you bring Up English speaking Australia yourself)? Lol.

If Berdych, Wozniaki and Djokovic can move to Monaco (the south of France) and function, then Petra can move to a similar French or Italian international resort herself. Hell, she can even move or vacation to some warm, quiet village somewhere in Europe, for all I care. :lol:

Lastly, Petra should want to improve her English (with out just reading books). That would be good for her, and make her even better/more comfortable during the US swing.

Good stuff.
Personally i don't like when players change their citizenship, i can dig it when they move out from home country at age like 5 but when they 25yo it's beyond me.

You should watch her pressers in Czech, to me she looks way more comfortable and outspoken then in english, though living in english speaking environment would develop her skills better and quickly.

When Kotyza not with her PR manager always around, also she can just hang out with Stosur or Dellacqua. If she moves to Monaco she can become money hungry diva, we don't want this to happen, right?:lol:

Excelscior
Sep 4th, 2012, 05:13 PM
Personally i don't like when players change their citizenship, i can dig it when they move out from home country at age like 5 but when they 25yo it's beyond me.

You should watch her pressers in Czech, to me she looks way more comfortable and outspoken then in english, though living in english speaking environment would develop her skills better and quickly.

When Kotyza not with her PR manager always around, also she can just hang out with Stosur or Dellacqua. If she moved to Monaco she can become money hungry diva, we don't want this to happen, right?:lol:

Yeah, but we don't want her in the Czech Republic, right Shifty? :lol:

Plus, what other language is she going to speak, if it's not English? :lol:

I had also added to the post you responded to (which could address some of this). You may notice the differences. But I had asked "how could Petra not like English, when she claims she loves England, Australia, and NY is one of her favorite cities? Then I said was, "Petra likes any place where she wins". If she wins in Tokyo, it will be her new favorite City and tournament, and Japan will instantly become one of her favorite countries. I promise. :lol:

She can move/vacation anywhere she's comfortable, where it's warm and she can play tennis.

Don't worry. I don't think anyone would ever convince her to change her nationality, unless Csersonek or someone very close to her or someone she highly respected recommended it.

Anyway, my original point was, all top golfers and tennis players live in warm weather climates. And earlier this year, Petra was getting sick while in the Czech Republic during a cold freeze. She also got injured practicing in the Czech Republic Pre-season during a competitive, albeit useless match, which impacted the first 1/3 of her 2012 season.

If Petra's going to be a true pro, with a true pro team (as so many of us have been suggesting lately), then this would be a first start. Where is Petra going to stay during the off season when it's cold? And where is she going to practice her tennis in general?

Where she officially lives or calls home, I know is a whole nother fight/argument. Lol.

And to be quite honest; she doesn't have to (officially change her nationality). If Petra wants to give more taxes to her country, that's her business.

ShiftyFella
Sep 4th, 2012, 05:29 PM
Yeah, but we don't want her in the Czech Republic, right Shifty? :lol:

Plus, what other language is she going to speak, if it's not English? :lol:

I had also added to the post you responded to (which could address some of this). You may notice the differences. But I had asked "how could Petra not like English, when she claims she loves England, Australia, and NY is one of her favorite cities? Then I said was, "Petra likes any place where she wins". If she wins in Japan, it will be her new favorite country and tournament. :lol:

She can move/vacation anywhere she's comfortable, where it's warm and she can play tennis.

Don't worry. I don't think anyone would ever convince her to change her nationality, unless Csersonek or someone very close to her or someone she highly respected recommended it.

Anyway, my original point was, all top golfers and tennis players live in warm weather climates. And earlier this year, Petra was getting sick while in the Czech Republic during a cold freeze. She also got injured practicing in the Czech Republic Pre-season during a useless match, which impacted the first 1/3 of her season.

If Petra's going to be a true pro, with a true pro team (as so many of us have been suggesting lately), then this would be first start. Where is Petra going to stay during the off season when it's cold. And where is she going to practice her tennis in general?

Where she officially lives or calls home, I know is a whole nother fight/argument. Lol.
I love Montreal but i hate all those frenchies, so she can love city\country but not the language:lol:

If Petra's gets pro team or has awesome year we would forget about her training indoors until some wild flop:haha:

Excelscior
Sep 4th, 2012, 05:47 PM
I love Montreal but i hate all those frenchies, so she can love city\country but not the language:lol:

If Petra's gets pro team or has awesome year we would forget about her training indoors until some wild flop:haha:

You crazy Shifty!! :lol:

Plus, Petra should be trying to squeeze the best (or that extra 10%) in every area of fitness, tennis training, where she lives, what she eats, etc.

Yes, Montreal is very European. However, if you would consider Montreal, then she might as well spend time in the US.

America has all type of climates for her (with "Frenchies or no Frenchies"). :lol:

And You're right! We won't care where she stays/vacations, until the next tournament (unless she gets sick or injured again, and then it's hell to pay). :lol: :fiery: :lol:

Martina CZ
Sep 4th, 2012, 10:58 PM
Yes, if Petra wants to maintain Czech citizenship, fine. But she should definitely vacation (especially when it's cold), and practice outside the Czech Republic.

If Berdych, Wozniaki and Djokovic can move to Monaco (the south of France) and function, then Petra can move to a similar French or Italian International resort herself. Hell, she can even move or vacation to some warm, quiet village somewhere in Europe, for all I care. :lol:

For Berdych the reason to move to Monaco are taxes, Czech Rep takes big chunk from all earnings ;)
In winter he prepared in Prostejov as well (Wozniacki too, by the way).

Excelscior
Sep 4th, 2012, 11:06 PM
For Berdych the reason to move to Monaco are taxes, Czech Rep takes big chunk from all earnings ;)
In winter he prepared in Prostejov as well (Wozniacki too, by the way).

I don't think Wozniaki actually showed/played last season, though she was scheduled?

Yes, Berdych and everyone else that's changes their Citizenship to Monaco, the Cayman Islands etc, do it for taxes. But like I said, the overwhelming majority of Tennis players and Golfers live in warm weather climates, regardless of their national status. The list is endless.

It's up to Petra if she wants to change her nationality. I just thought it was crazy she got sick during the middle of the Tennis season last year, when she was scheduled to play in Doha, but went home to the cold ass Czech Republic, then got sick, recovered for weeks.

And No Petra shouldn't train at Indoor Prostojev for the upcoming Outdoor hardcourt season. :lol:

Thanks for the input.

bruce goose
Sep 5th, 2012, 04:07 AM
W/o a doubt,at least some of you have seen one of those sci-fi or fantasy films where someone from another world...or some caveman who just thawed out...sees a telephone for the first time and tries to put it in his mouth as if it were something to eat....no clue whatsoever wtf it was made for

..........That's sort of what Petra's team reminds me of sometimes;their families were probably the last ones in the village to forsake the horse-and-buggy and try that crazy new invention called the automobile.Just imagine how unstoppable Petra might be if Bernard Pikola and his kinfolk weren't running her career

Queen Petra Fan
Sep 5th, 2012, 06:59 AM
OK guys, since the US Open for Petra is over, let's talk about something else for the upcoming Asian Swing, and ultimately the start of 2013 (till Tokyo starts of course).

In one of Queen Petra Fans most recent post, he mentioned an excellent suggestion which may of been overlooked. He said (if I remember correctly), that Petra should move out of the Czech Republic to a warmer climate (which I've always believed). And he also mentioned, she should at least practice in an outdoor facility. I hope I'm not misquoting him. :oh:

I happen to concur with both. You ever notice most top golfers and tennis players live in warm weather climates? Very few live in cold weather environments?

Now I don't know if Petra is ready to leave the Czech Republic at this stage (especially since Kotyza lives there). But I agree with QPF, that if she's not going to practice onsite in Asia (when ever she prepares for tennis again), it should be in an outdoor facility, preferably in a warm weather environment. If Petra's serious about making moves in her tennis career, this is something she should consider, especially at the end of 2012/start of the 2012 season.

Prostejov is an indoor facility (I have no idea what the weather is in the Czech Republic today, by the way), even though I remember Petra saying they were supposed to get outdoor courts in the future as well. Obviously Petra had a comfortably on Indoor courts, cause of Prostejov. But because of Petra's tennis immaturity, she didn't open up to Outdoor hardcourts every where equally as well, though her game obviously/easily translated to both.

That's why I was so mad when Petra had gotten that cold/virus earlier this year. I didn't think she should of been in the Czech Republic during a snow storm/the cold in the first place. I'm sure Petra can find away to live somewhere else, while maintaining her Czech citizenship. At worst, she can live/vacation elsewhere when the weather is cold or contains allergens in the Czech Republic.

At this point the only time Petra should be in the Czech Republic, is when she doesn't plan to play tennis and just visit family, relax, etc, when it's warm. Anytime she does wants to play tennis, I think she should practice somewhere else, unless it's warm and outdoors in the Czech Republic (and even that I probably don't agree with), if she can't officially move.

What do you guys think?


Hi Ex,

Just to clarify, what I made an observation on was the fact that all the Grand Slams are played outdoors and that if Petra wants to get serious about winning any of these again she needs to strongly consider training outdoors all year round. To not do this gives an advantage to her stronger opponents who do do it for all the obvious reasons. Let's face it, who cares if she's the Queen of Indoor tennis? It's about winning Grand Slams, that's what matters! She'll never be the best by practicing in a tennis incubator, greenhouse, or terrarium. Go outside Petra! And go somewhere warmer and stay away from winter flus and such. And don't risk your health playing stupid, meaningless exhibitions. The stakes are too large now.

I'm not saying she should change her citizenship, I hope she doesn't, but that's up to her and maybe her tax guy. But we have to admit, she's made enough money already to have her family come visit her wherever she went to advance her career.

I think Team Petra need to start taking a hard look at her future and making some bold choices to help her reach her full potential. Her current program is definitely not going to get her there and she will probably end up like Masha or Kim with about four Grand Slams to her credit in the end which would be a huge waste of her potential. She needs to build up for the day when Serena retires and Masha gets older, and then she will be sitting pretty and ready to capitalize. Of course, it would be even better if she made some changes and started kicking their asses now!!!

That's my two cents. :lol:

Time to run to work! :wavey:

Queen Petra Fan
Sep 5th, 2012, 05:51 PM
W/o a doubt,at least some of you have seen one of those sci-fi or fantasy films where someone from another world...or some caveman who just thawed out...sees a telephone for the first time and tries to put it in his mouth as if it were something to eat....no clue whatsoever wtf it was made for

..........That's sort of what Petra's team reminds me of sometimes;their families were probably the last ones in the village to forsake the horse-and-buggy and try that crazy new invention called the automobile.Just imagine how unstoppable Petra might be if Bernard Pikola and his kinfolk weren't running her career


Bruce, you couldn't be further from the truth. The Czech Republic is a very modern country. It was THE most modern in almost all of Europe until it got screwed over by Imperialistic Austria, Nazi Germany and Communist Russia. Even after ALL of THAT it's still a very modern country. Unlike your c.u.n.t.ry, you won't find anybody riding a burro over here Senor Pikola. Suck on that thought for a while before you patronize a group of people you have no clue about. ;) BTW: The picture below was not taken in Fulnek, CZ. Take a wild guess where it WAS taken... Hmmm? Tonto!

Excelscior
Sep 5th, 2012, 06:07 PM
W/o a doubt,at least some of you have seen one of those sci-fi or fantasy films where someone from another world...or some caveman who just thawed out...sees a telephone for the first time and tries to put it in his mouth as if it were something to eat....no clue whatsoever wtf it was made for

..........That's sort of what Petra's team reminds me of sometimes;their families were probably the last ones in the village to forsake the horse-and-buggy and try that crazy new invention called the automobile.Just imagine how unstoppable Petra might be if Bernard Pikola and his kinfolk weren't running her career


Bruce, you couldn't be further from the truth. The Czech Republic is a very modern country. It was THE most modern in almost all of Europe until it got screwed over by Imperialistic Austria, Nazi Germany and Communist Russia. Even after ALL of THAT it's still a very modern country. Unlike your c.u.n.t.ry, you won't find anybody riding a burro over here Senor Pikola. Suck on that thought for a while before you patronize a group of people you have no clue about. ;) BTW: The picture below was not taken in Fulnek, CZ. Take a wild guess where it WAS taken... Hmmm? Tonto!

Think he was more joking about Petra's colloquial team of lovable misfits QPF, than the Czech Republic itself. :)

Queen Petra Fan
Sep 5th, 2012, 07:02 PM
[QUOTE=Queen Petra Fan;22154578]

Think he was more joking about Petra's colloquial team of lovable misfits QPF, than the Czech Republic itself. :)

It was still a patronizing comment and he still deserved a kick in the balls. :lol:

BTW: Bartoli is becoming my new goddess! Come on Marion!!!! :bounce:

Never mind! She choked just like Petra.

Excelscior
Sep 5th, 2012, 07:14 PM
[QUOTE=Excelscior;22154791]

It was still a patronizing comment and he still deserved a kick in the balls. :lol:

BTW: Bartoli is becoming my new goddess! Come on Marion!!!! :bounce:

Watching these Pova matches, it just reminds you how Petra can beat her on hard courts (particularly slow ones).

Petra always gets into these tight, stiff baseline battles (minus her in opportunistic returning and serving) on these slower surfaces lately.

Petra for starters, needs to swing Sharapova side to side (using angles), instead of the north/south baseline game, where SHE makes the errors.

That's how Azarenka kills Sharpova every time. She just pulls Masha side to side, till she makes errors.

Petra has good hands at redirecting as well, and more power than Aza. But she still thinks she's playing at Wimby, where Petra's power can skid by Sharapova.

The US Open could of been an equalizer (supposed to be faster, more windy). But of course Petra never got that far.

Now Bartoli loses/Masha escaped, in a rain delayed close match, and it makes you feel worse, Petra didn't advance.

steni
Sep 5th, 2012, 07:26 PM
@BG
Ya no podés comentar nada aquí sin que te dén...

steni
Sep 5th, 2012, 07:27 PM
[QUOTE=Queen Petra Fan;22154578]

Think he was more joking about Petra's colloquial team of lovable misfits QPF, than the Czech Republic itself. :)

Agreed!

bruce goose
Sep 5th, 2012, 07:50 PM
[QUOTE=Excelscior;22154791]

It was still a patronizing comment and he still deserved a kick in the balls. :lol:.Well,now I'm convinced that you ARE a swishy bitch...not to mention a complete hypocrite.You preached self-righteously about how terrible something was--even though,as the NON-swishes figured out,I wasn't condemning Czechs at all--and then you blatantly went way over the line yourself.

I'll tell you what,Drag Queen Petra Fan: If you ever bring your pansy ass to L.A. or Texas,just let me know in advance and I'll make plans to meet you so that you can tell me TO MY FACE how worthless Mexicans suppsoedly are instead of hiding safely behind a TF poster name like the bitch that you are.I'd love to see how brave you really are...or,certainly,AREN'T...first-hand.Just don't try to cross the border with any weapons(I'll meet YOU),cuz if you went to one of our jails you wouldn't last 5 minutes w/o getting raped....by only ONE inmate(NO ONE would need to gang up on you:lol:).

I'll make sure to not quote your posts anymore OR talk about you,even indirectly,and I suggest that you keep your distance,figuratively,as well,you phony,racist pieza de mierda:rolleyes:.I'm done for today,mamador hambriento:wavey:

ShiftyFella
Sep 5th, 2012, 07:50 PM
Now i really really want Petra to have magnificent end of the season swing cause my wound after Bartoli vs Pova match is even worse now, strange thing that i was more emotionally involved than in match against Petra

steni
Sep 5th, 2012, 07:58 PM
[QUOTE=Queen Petra Fan;22155453]

Watching these Pova matches, it just reminds you how Petra can beat her on hard courts (particularly slow ones).

Petra always gets into these tight, stiff baseline battles (minus her in opportunistic returning and serving) on these slower surfaces lately.

Petra for starters, needs to swing Sharapova side to side (using angles), instead of the north/south baseline game, where SHE makes the errors.

That's how Azarenka kills Sharpova every time. She just pulls Masha side to side, till she makes errors.

Petra has good hands at redirecting as well, and more power than Aza. But she still thinks she's playing at Wimby, where Petra's power can skid by Sharapova.

The US Open could of been an equalizer (supposed to be faster, more windy). But of course Petra never got that far.

Now Bartoli loses/Masha escaped, in a rain delayed close match, and it makes you feel worse, Petra didn't advance.

I watched Azarenka's match and Sharapova's and I dont think Petra could beat them in her current form, maybe but not for sure. I hope she recovers the form she had last year at Linz, YEC and Fed Cup, for me she was just perfect and sooo confident [sigh]

Excelscior
Sep 5th, 2012, 08:02 PM
[QUOTE=Queen Petra Fan;22155453]Well,now I'm convinced that you ARE a swishy bitch...not to mention a complete hypocrite.You preached self-righteously about how terrible something was--even though,as the NON-swishes figured out,I wasn't condemning Czechs at all--and then you blatantly went way over the line yourself.

I'll tell you what,Drag Queen Petra Fan: If you ever bring your pansy ass to L.A. or Texas,just let me know in advance and I'll make plans to meet you so that you can tell me TO MY FACE how worthless Mexicans suppsoedly are instead of hiding safely behind a TF poster name like the bitch that you are.I'd love to see how brave you really are...or,certainly,AREN'T...first-hand.Just don't try to cross the border with any weapons(I'll meet YOU),cuz if you went to one of our jails you wouldn't last 5 minutes w/o getting raped....by only ONE inmate(NO ONE would need to gang up on you:lol:).

I'll make sure to not quote your posts anymore OR talk about you,even indirectly,and I suggest that you keep your distance,figuratively,as well,you phony,racist pieza de mierda:rolleyes:.I'm done for today,mamador hambriento:wavey:

Funny, the quote came out like I made the statement, though I know you knew I didn't, and you responded to QPF. :lol:

PS: What the hell is going on with the site? Now BG's statement, has QPF as the quoted person. Crazy! :lol:

steni
Sep 5th, 2012, 08:09 PM
Now i really really want Petra to have magnificent end of the season swing cause my wound after Bartoli vs Pova match is even worse now, strange thing that i was more emotionally involved than in match against Petra

I'm actually glad that Bartola lost, she is gross and her hair yuck!

steni
Sep 5th, 2012, 08:21 PM
[QUOTE=Queen Petra Fan;22155453]Well,now I'm convinced that you ARE a swishy bitch...not to mention a complete hypocrite.You preached self-righteously about how terrible something was--even though,as the NON-swishes figured out,I wasn't condemning Czechs at all--and then you blatantly went way over the line yourself.

I'll tell you what,Drag Queen Petra Fan: If you ever bring your pansy ass to L.A. or Texas,just let me know in advance and I'll make plans to meet you so that you can tell me TO MY FACE how worthless Mexicans suppsoedly are instead of hiding safely behind a TF poster name like the bitch that you are.I'd love to see how brave you really are...or,certainly,AREN'T...first-hand.Just don't try to cross the border with any weapons(I'll meet YOU),cuz if you went to one of our jails you wouldn't last 5 minutes w/o getting raped....by only ONE inmate(NO ONE would need to gang up on you:lol:).

I'll make sure to not quote your posts anymore OR talk about you,even indirectly,and I suggest that you keep your distance,figuratively,as well,you phony,racist pieza de mierda:rolleyes:.I'm done for today,mamador hambriento:wavey:

Pero xq vos le contestás? No le digás nada, si ya ví que le gusta mofarse de vos cuando puede... Ignorálo nada más!

Excelscior
Sep 5th, 2012, 08:29 PM
[QUOTE=Excelscior;22155646]

I watched Azarenka's match and Sharapova's and I dont think Petra could beat them in her current form, maybe but not for sure. I hope she recovers the form she had last year at Linz, YEC and Fed Cup, for me she was just perfect and sooo confident [sigh]

That's funny, cause Azarenka hasn't really played any one (and may just be a good match up for Petra), and many Sharapova fans are saying, "she looked bad against Bartoli, and will get murdered by Vika". They weren't happy either. But I know you looked at the level Sharapova was playing in the 2nd and particularly the third set of that match. They were striking the ball real well.

I know Vika scraped by Stosur as well, but certainly had her moments.

I will agree, that Petra doesn't appear to have the mental focus to win those type of long, tight, important matches.

But remember Maria, could of got wiped out the first Bartoli day, cause of the very windy conditions, that was messing up her serve. Oh well. Lol

We'll see?

PS: The site is still crazy, with the quoted material. Lol

steni
Sep 5th, 2012, 08:44 PM
[QUOTE=steni;22156117]

That's funny, cause Azarenka hasn't really played any one (and may just be a good match up for Petra), and many Sharapova fans are saying, "she looked bad against Bartoli, and will get murdered by Vika".

I know Vika scraped by Stosur as well.

I will agree, that Petra doesn't appear to have the mental focus to win those type of long, tight, important matches.

We'll see?

PS: I was speaking in General/the future, and not so much right now.

If Sharapova looked that bad, now Petra :facepalm: She needs to recover her fitness and than her confidence will follow. Look I dont like Azarenka or Sharapova but they have been playing better than Petra, you see they dont beat themselves like Petra does.

Excelscior
Sep 5th, 2012, 09:16 PM
[QUOTE=Excelscior;22156277]

If Sharapova looked that bad, now Petra :facepalm: She needs to recover her fitness and than her confidence will follow. Look I dont like Azarenka or Sharapova but they have been playing better than Petra, you see they dont beat themselves like Petra does.

Aha!

There in lies the riddle, wrapped up in a puzzle Steni.

Vika and Sharapova are monotonous grinders (some may say power grinders). But that's what they are.

Petra Kvitova is a shot maker. So there's always going to be a balance between her level of consistency, juxtasupposed to her level of shotmaking.

When Petra's shot making is hot, it doesn't matter. It's a wrap. When it's not, she has to pick her spots and be more consistent, till she waits her turn. If she doesn't; she loses.

One way she can be consistent, while still shortening the points and/or playing to her advantages, is by playing more cross court angles and corners, with air.

Petra loves to swing the ball side to side and she usually wins those points (especially with air).

ShiftyFella
Sep 5th, 2012, 09:31 PM
I'm actually glad that Bartola lost, she is gross and her hair yuck!
Yes, she's crazy and sometimes puts gatorade on her hair but at least i would have peace that Petra's loss wasn't to another Bartoli GOAT fluke and i really wanted GS F Cake vs Errani:lol:

Petronius
Sep 5th, 2012, 09:31 PM
Off topic: looking forward to Roger-Tomas tonight ! I have even returned from our weekend house with bad internet connection so I can watch. Their H2H in their last three matches is 3-3.

Can Tomas pull the upset?

Good night, the match starts early in the morning in Europe.

steni
Sep 5th, 2012, 09:48 PM
[QUOTE=steni;22156344]

Aha!

There in lies the riddle, wrapped up in a puzzle Steni.

Vika and Sharapova are monotonous grinders (some may say power grinders). But that's what they are.

Petra Kvitova is a shot maker. So there's always going to be a balance between her level of consistency, juxtasupposed to her level of shotmaking.

When Petra's shot making is hot, it doesn't matter. It's a wrap. When it's not, she has to pick her spots and be more consistent, till she waits her turn. If she doesn't; she loses.

One way she can be consistent, while still shortening the points and/or playing to her advantages, is by playing more cross court angles and corners, with air.

Petra loves to swing the ball side to side and she usually wins those points (especially with air).

Petra is more talented but this is not enough to win, she isnt Federer. Whatever the game style, they are winning and Petra isnt. She needs to get fit. Period!

Excelscior
Sep 5th, 2012, 09:54 PM
[QUOTE=Excelscior;22156540]

Petra is more talented but this is not enough to win, she isnt Federer. Whatever the game style, they are winning and Petra isnt. She needs to get fit. Period!

I'm not saying you're right or wrong.

But wouldn't you be much more confident in what you're saying if Petra had lost to Vika, Radwanksa a few times, and Masha on Grass, fast surface or indoors??

I know we want to look at it as doom and gloom, but my god Petra hasn't played the other two top 4 ranked players all year. Doesn't make you say "Damn, why not"!? :lol:

I'm not even sure if Petra played Stosur this year. Lol.

And just to illustrate what I mean, Petra has played Errani three times this year, and beat her all three times (with out losing a set), but hasn't played Radwanksa or Vika once. :tape:

And sports is funny. If Petra beats Vika or Aga for an important title, or in a semi-finals (where she's never faced them), you could be amazed at the type of confidence that could give her to raise her game, and then go on to beat Masha or anyone else.

Petra's a confidence player, amongst other things.

steni
Sep 5th, 2012, 10:12 PM
[QUOTE=steni;22156684]

I'm not saying you're right or wrong.

But wouldn't you be much more confident in what you're saying if Petra had lost to Vika, Radwanksa a few times, and Masha on Grass, fast surface or indoors??

I know we want to look at it as doom and gloom, but my god Petra hasn't played the other two top 4 ranked players all year. Doesn't make you say "Damn, why not"!? :lol:

I'm not even sure if Petra played Stosur this year. Lol.

And just to illustrate what I mean, Petra has played Errani three times this year, and beat her all three times, but hasn't played Radwanksa or Vika once. :tape:

But she hasnt beaten and like Synth explained the other day, Petra lost before meeting them. If Kerber beat Petra twice why not Azarenka or Radwanska, if Petra is fit she can, but with her current form? I dont know! Maybe can be a three setter with Petra losing cause physically she isnt there yet! Probably thats why she doesnt like long rallies cause she is lazy, but we know she can do it. Everybody in TF know that if Petra gets really fit and improve her movement, she can be the best in the world! Thats why Im so mad that she doesnt do it, or its taking so long, we dont know whats going on with her team!

Excelscior
Sep 5th, 2012, 10:20 PM
[QUOTE=Excelscior;22156712]

But she hasnt beaten and like Synth explained the other day, Petra lost before meeting them. If Kerber beat Petra twice why not Azarenka or Radwanska, if Petra is fit she can, but with her current form? I dont know! Maybe can be a three setter with Petra losing cause physically she isnt there yet! Probably thats why she doesnt like long rallies cause she is lazy, but we know she can do it. Everybody in TF know that if Petra gets really fit and improve her movement, she can be the best in the world! Thats why Im so mad that she doesnt do it, or its taking so long, we dont know whats going on with her team!

Didn't Kerber beat Petra earlier with an abdominal injury? And didn't she beat Petra a second time, in a semi-final, after Petra just won Montreal? That's not a big deal, the fairest comparison.

And you keep talking about "Fit". Huh?

Didn't Petra beat Li Na in Montreal? Didn't she outlast Kirilenko (who I'm sure you think is fit) during the New Haven final?

I'm not sure what you're saying? Wasn't she moving well in Montreal?

In other words, Petra may not had been the fittest earlier this year. And she certainly wasn't moving like we know how she could/did.

Now she shows us some glimpses of her old speed, wins lots of matches, then falters in a major. So let's see if she can keep it up for the Asian Swing.

In other words, though there's no majors involved, let's see how Petra looks (after this Pro and con USO tour) for the rest of the season; unless you don't think it's gonna count.

Lastly, we don't know what would happen with Vika and Radwasnksa (as much as you think you do), unless they played.

But I get you. Lol

steni
Sep 5th, 2012, 11:24 PM
[QUOTE=steni;22156796]

Didn't Kerber beat Petra earlier with an abdominal injury? And didn't she beat Petra a second time, in a semi-final, after Petra just won Montreal? That's not a big deal, the fairest comparison.

And you keep talking about "Fit". Huh?

Didn't Petra beat Li Na in Montreal? Didn't she outlast Kirilenko (who I'm sure you think is fit) during the New Haven final?

I'm not sure what you're saying? Wasn't she moving well in Montreal?

In other words, Petra may not had been the fittest earlier this year. And she certainly wasn't moving like we know how she could/did.

Now she shows us some glimpses of her old speed, wins lots of matches, then falters in a major. So let's see if she can keep it up for the Asian Swing.

In other words, though there's no majors involved, let's see how Petra looks (after this Pro and con USO tour) for the rest of the season; unless you don't think it's gonna count.

Lastly, we don't know what would happen with Vika and Radwasnksa (as much as you think you do), unless they played.

But I get you. Lol


Yeah she lost to her in Rome maybe cause the injury, but her lost in Cinncinati was cause her fitness, look at Li Na, finalist in Montreal and won Cincinnati(beating Kerber). She needs to get fit soon if she wants to be competitive. We saw at Montreal what can she do if she extends rallies, but can she do it all the time with her current form, I don't know, look what happened against Bartola or Kerber. This bitches know how to beat Petra, they know she isn't fit. I'm not saying she is fat just in case you were thinking!

I hope you are watching Serena's match!

Excelscior
Sep 5th, 2012, 11:54 PM
[QUOTE=Excelscior;22156838]


Yeah she lost to her in Rome maybe cause the injury, but her lost in Cinncinati was cause her fitness, look at Li Na, finalist in Montreal and won Cincinnati(beating Kerber). She needs to get fit soon if she wants to be competitive. We saw at Montreal what can she do if she extends rallies, but can she do it all the time with her current form, I don't know, look what happened against Bartola or Kerber. This bitches know how to beat Petra, they know she isn't fit. I'm not saying she is fat just in case you were thinking!

I hope you are watching Serena's match!

People lose Steni.

You can't attribute everything to fitness, especially when she went on to beat Kirilenko in the next tournament.

No one has won Montreal and Cincy back to back in years. And Li Na lost to Petra in three sets. How come you didn't bring up NA'S fitness?

One thing that maybe hurting Petra that I wanted to ask before she played Bartoli, but I held back until after the match/her Open ended, was:

Does Petra have a hitting partner? I know she used to use Adam periodically (haven't heard much about him lately), and sometimes plays practice matches. But who has been hitting with her the past few months, besides the nice PR Lady? Does she?

If not, that can be a big reason why Petra's consistency (which you can be confusing with fitness sometimes Steni), preparation and execution has been up and down this season.

How can Petra practice her ROS, defending certain ground strokes, or players if she doesn't have a full time hitting partner to act this stuff out with?

Yes, playing practice matches are important. But how often does she do that? And that's the end game. Many times, you want to work on certain things, with repetition (like serves, returns, volleying and ground strokes) to a live, realistic body. Coach Kotyza can't emulate Sharapova or Serena.

I mean, is Tomas Berdych gonna say "Hey Petra Let Me Serve To You, so you can practice your returns, and anything else you want"? And if so, how often? If not, do they hire people for this? It's not hard hiring some lower ranked men or even club level males.

If they haven't done this in any capacity lately, this is part of the colloquial but lovable group of Petra misfits and Keystone Cops I was discussing earlier. SMH :lol:

Maybe some of our Czech friends can answer this. Please let us know?

steni
Sep 6th, 2012, 12:02 AM
[QUOTE=steni;22157092]

People lose Steni.

You can't attribute everything to fitness, especially when she went on to beat Kirilenko in the next tournament.

No one has won Montreal and Cincy back to back in years. And Li Na lost to Petra in three sets. How come you didn't bring up her fitness?

One thing that I think can be hurting Petra, that I wanted to ask before she played Bartoli, but I held back until after the match/her Open ended.

Does Petra have a hitting partner? I know she used to use Adam periodically (haven't heard much about him lately), and sometimes plays practice matches. But does she?

If not, that can be a big reason why Petra's consistency (which you can be confusing with fitness sometimes Steni)and preparation has been up and down this season.

How can Petra practice her ROS, defending certain ground strokes, or players if she doesn't have a full time hitting partner to act this stuff out with?

Yes, playing practice matches are important. But how often does she do that. And that's the capper. Many times, you want to work on certain things, with repetition (like serves, returns and ground strokes) to a live body.

I mean is Tomas Berdych, gonna say "Hey Petra Let Me Serve To You, so you can practice your returns, and anything else you want"?

This is part of the colloquial, but lovable group of Petra misfits I was discussing earlier. :lol:

Maybe some of our Czech friends can answer this. Please let us know?

Oh my gosh. I'm not talking about winning Montreal and Cincinnati back to back, I don't care. I was talking about that Petra and Li Na played Montreal all the way, they came to Cincinnati and at the semis Petra was already tired, while Li Na was able to make the final and beat Kerber. I think fitness is very important is she wants to compete at the highest level, Kirilenko isn't Sharapova, Serena or Azarenka, even Kerber. Petra has already the shots and talent, but I dont think she is fit enough. Petra has to get serious, her lost to Bartola was just ridiculous.

Btw, I'm wondering who takes the decisions on her team. Does she has a voice, or someone else tell her what to do?

Excelscior
Sep 6th, 2012, 12:48 AM
[QUOTE=Excelscior;22157204]

Oh my gosh. I'm not talking about winning Montreal and Cincinnati back to back, I don't care. I was talking about that Petra and Li Na played Montreal all the way, they came to Cincinnati and at the semis Petra was already tired, while Li Na was able to make the final and beat Kerber. I think fitness is very important is she wants to compete at the highest level, Kirilenko isn't Sharapova, Serena or Azarenka, even Kerber. Petra has already the shots and talent, but I dont think she is fit enough. Petra has to get serious, her lost to Bartola was just ridiculous.

Btw, I'm wondering who takes the decisions on her team. Does she has a voice, or someone else tell her what to do?

I'm still asking you, how can you blame her for losing to Kerber in three sets, but she beat Li Na before in three sets?

So my question is, how come you didn't attribute Li Na losing to Petra as fitness in Montreal? Of course Li Na could win Cincinatti, she lost in Montreal. :lol:

Makes sense to me. :shrug: I mean, what are you getting at Steni? :lol:

I'm not saying you're wrong. But sometimes your examples and criteria don't add up. :lol:

Was Petra not in fitness when she beat Kirilenko? So if she lost to Kirilenko, then you would of blamed it on her fitness? Come on Steni. You can't have it both ways. :lol:

If you wanna blame something on her fitness, cause she looks tired to you, that's one thing. But you can't hand pick wins and losses, and then attribute them to fitness at a whim. :lol:

And the reason why I say all this is, Petra was very fit last year, especially the second half of the season. So if she's in proper shape/training, I have no reason to doubt that she would be, except for overplaying, injury and/or sickness (which all appeared to happen this year). Let's see what the Asian Swing brings?

As far as who makes coaching decisions for a hitting partner, I'm assuming it's Kotyza. But if Petra felt she wanted or needed one, I'm sure she could hire one.

And I'm sure her manager Csersonek could suggest it (though technically this would count as tennis; probably something Kotyza would handle) if he wanted.

steni
Sep 6th, 2012, 01:50 AM
[QUOTE=steni;22157508]

I'm still asking you, how can you blame her for losing to Kerber in three sets, but she beat Li Na before in three sets?

So my question is, how come you didn't attribute Li Na losing to Petra as fitness in Montreal? Of course Li Na could win Cincinatti, she lost in Montreal. :lol:

Makes sense to me. :shrug: I mean, what are you getting at Steni? :lol:

I'm not saying you're wrong. But sometimes your examples and criteria don't add up. :lol:

Was Petra not in fitness when she beat Kirilenko? So if she lost to Kirilenko, then you would of blamed it on her fitness? Come on Steni. You can't have it both ways. :lol:

If you wanna blame something on her fitness, cause she looks tired to you, that's one thing. But you can't hand pick wins and losses, and then attribute them to fitness at a whim. :lol:

And the reason why I say all this is, Petra was very fit last year, especially the second half of the season. So if she's in proper shape/training, I have no reason to doubt that she would be, except for overplaying, injury and/or sickness (which all appeared to happen this year). Let's see what the Asian Swing brings?

As far as who makes coaching decisions for a hitting partner, I'm assuming it's Kotyza. But if Petra felt she wanted or needed one, I'm sure she could hire one.

And I'm sure her manager Csersonek could suggest it (though technically this would count as tennis; probably something Kotyza would handle) if he wanted.

Ok whatever. Petra is the fittest player Ive ever seen in my life!

Excelscior
Sep 6th, 2012, 02:05 AM
[QUOTE=Excelscior;22157925]

Ok whatever. Petra is the fittest player Ive ever seen in my life!

I think your obsessed Steni :eek:.

Petra appears to have a few things going on (that we think/speculate about), and anyone of them, mind you several of them, could change her current year and future.

And someone from the Czech Republic, please let us know if she has a hitting partner (and no we're not talking about Adam in the past or the nice PR Lady)?

That can be a problem for her.

Deestruction
Sep 6th, 2012, 03:05 AM
Onto Tokyo it is. Pojd Petra :rocker2:

Petronius
Sep 6th, 2012, 04:07 AM
Off topic: looking forward to Roger-Tomas tonight ! I have even returned from our weekend house with bad internet connection so I can watch. Their H2H in their last three matches is 3-3.

Can Tomas pull the upset?

Good night, the match starts early in the morning in Europe.

Tomas :yeah:

Roger :hug:

pov
Sep 6th, 2012, 03:00 PM
[QUOTE=Excelscior;22157925]

Ok whatever. Petra is the fittest player Ive ever seen in my life!
One thing I learned is that questioning her fitness is a no-no on here. :shrug:

Lufa
Sep 6th, 2012, 03:58 PM
One thing I learned is that questioning her fitness is a no-no on here. :shrug:

so true :haha:

steni
Sep 6th, 2012, 07:06 PM
Without a doubt she has fitness issues... I dont care if others dont want to see the thruth!

Btw she isnt fat, just not fit enough!

steni
Sep 6th, 2012, 07:11 PM
One thing I learned is that questioning her fitness is a no-no on here. :shrug:

agreed!

bruce goose
Sep 7th, 2012, 02:44 AM
[QUOTE=bruce goose;22156063]

Funny, the quote came out like I made the statement, though I know you knew I didn'tYeah,that was just a sort of fluke in how the posts were displayed;I was pretty confident that you wouldn't misunderstand that...just as you easily deduced that I was only criticizing Petra's team and not condemning every Czech in racist fashion.The lovely Steni:hearts: tried to dissuade me from replying,but it only came natural for me to defend my people against such a vile attack.I suspect that sensible folks can see things for how they are,though,so there's no need to touch on THAT aspect anymore.Besides,my sister is about to have her first child via induced labor tomorrow,so that blessing outweighs virtually ANY negative:).

I know you might not wanna read this,but there's a friend of mine here at TF--a brilliant gal with a doctorate--who isn't a fan of Petra's,per se,yet is a huge fan of her game...and she told me how Petra began losing lots of steam on her shots in the 2nd set and was totally spent in the 3rd(whereas Bartoli wasn't even NEARLY as tired).If this is a faithful account,then it's true in spite of the fact that Petra coasted and conserved energy in quick matches vs. pedestrian foes in the first 3 rounds.I'm not saying that Petra is immature AT ALL,but she's still a fairly young athlete(Rookie-aged for the NFL),so I expect the older ones on her team to get in her face when she makes a bad decision...unless,of course,they were foolish to where they actually concurred with it:eek:.She wanted to honor the NH WC?Okay.....then pull out of Cincy instead and take the fine if necessary.That doesn't mean that Marion couldn't have won against a more-rested Petra;however,she'd at least have had to beat a Petra who wasn't dragging like someone who just finished a marathon.I don't blame Petra THAT much cuz she's young and might have felt invincible after her breakthrough on HCs at RC;all the same,it was strictly Amateur Hour from her coaches and team to let stuff play out that way

Excelscior
Sep 7th, 2012, 03:23 AM
[QUOTE=Excelscior;22156138]Yeah,that was just a sort of fluke in how the posts were displayed;I was pretty confident that you wouldn't misunderstand that...just as you easily deduced that I was only criticizing Petra's team and not condemning every Czech in racist fashion.The lovely Steni:hearts: tried to dissuade me from replying,but it only came natural for me to defend my people against such a vile attack.I suspect that sensible folks can see things for how they are,though,so there's no need to touch on THAT aspect anymore.Besides,my sister is about to have her first child via induced labor tomorrow,so that blessing outweighs virtually ANY negative:).

I know you might not wanna read this,but there's a friend of mine here at TF--a brilliant gal with a doctorate--who isn't a fan of Petra's,per se,yet is a huge fan of her game...and she told me how Petra began losing lots of steam on her shots in the 2nd set and was totally spent in the 3rd(whereas Bartoli wasn't even NEARLY as tired).If this is a faithful account,then it's true in spite of the fact that Petra coasted and conserved energy in quick matches vs. pedestrian foes in the first 3 rounds.I'm not saying that Petra is immature AT ALL,but she's still a fairly young athlete(Rookie-aged for the NFL),so I expect the older ones on her team to get in her face when she makes a bad decision...unless,of course,they were foolish to where they actually concurred with it:eek:.She wanted to honor the NH WC?Okay.....then pull out of Cincy instead and take the fine if necessary.That doesn't mean that Marion couldn't have won against a more-rested Petra;however,she'd at least have had to beat a Petra who wasn't dragging like someone who just finished a marathon.I don't blame Petra THAT much cuz she's young and might have felt invincible after her breakthrough on HCs at RC;all the same,it was strictly Amateur Hour from her coaches and team to let stuff play out that way

No problems. Something happened to her it seemed.

In retrospect, she probably shouldn't have went to New Haven. Agreed.

Unfortunately, I think she went because she didn't win Cincinnati when she thought she should of. If she would of won Cincinnati, I would of definitely advocated her not going to New Haven. Yes, you could sure made the argument, that's when her team/Kotyza could of told Petra or New Haven, "no we're not going"!

I only supported Petra's Entry the way I did (and pointed it out to you as well), cause Petra had already decided to go, and what could we do, but support it/her, and hope for the best? It could of been perceived like you were almost rooting against her a little Bruce, cause you kept reminding us. But no harm, no foul, no biggie.

Now Petra's already committed to go to New Haven next year. If she does, I hope she skips Cincy or Montreal (or in Steni's wish, get her self in such Super Shape, that no other WTA player is in, to play 5 straight weeks at such a high level). :lol:

It's also possible Petra could of had a asthma scare (or something), cause she spent so much time inside during her changeover. So who knows? :shrug: Lol

Onward to Tokyo, Asia, and the Indoor Swing.

Synth
Sep 7th, 2012, 05:10 PM
I think if Petra played better, she wouldn't have had to work as hard for a lot of the Cincy and Montreal wins that she got. The draw at those events were full of scrubs, excepting Li and Kerber. Petra was and should've been the favorite in all of her matchups. Unfortunately, each of her matchups ended up being a lot more work than they probably should've been on paper. It's a real problem. Petra needs to establish herself as a terrifying opponent who will beat you down with no mercy, because you give one scrub a chance to fight back, then every scrub you face from then on out will think they have a chance and keep fighting. Once Petra establishes that dominance over lower ranked players, she'll really start steamrolling through them, since she'd already come in with a huge mental advantage- vs. right now, every player's thinking: I just gotta hang until she starts making crazy UFE's.

Excelscior
Sep 7th, 2012, 07:31 PM
I think if Petra played better, she wouldn't have had to work as hard for a lot of the Cincy and Montreal wins that she got. The draw at those events were full of scrubs, excepting Li and Kerber. Petra was and should've been the favorite in all of her matchups. Unfortunately, each of her matchups ended up being a lot more work than they probably should've been on paper. It's a real problem. Petra needs to establish herself as a terrifying opponent who will beat you down with no mercy, because you give one scrub a chance to fight back, then every scrub you face from then on out will think they have a chance and keep fighting. Once Petra establishes that dominance over lower ranked players, she'll really start steamrolling through them, since she'd already come in with a huge mental advantage- vs. right now, every player's thinking: I just gotta hang until she starts making crazy UFE's.

Good point/post.

Petra used to roll the scrubs last year, when she won.

And the culprit seems to be her ROS/BP management (along with her lack of mental preparation and discipline of course).

Too many times Petra seemingly let's her opponents get away with numerous BP's cause she's swinging freely or careless on the ROS or the rally during the BP opportunity, blowing too many, while giving them chances and hope.

Excelscior
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:04 PM
I think if Petra played better, she wouldn't have had to work as hard for a lot of the Cincy and Montreal wins that she got. The draw at those events were full of scrubs, excepting Li and Kerber. Petra was and should've been the favorite in all of her matchups. Unfortunately, each of her matchups ended up being a lot more work than they probably should've been on paper. It's a real problem. Petra needs to establish herself as a terrifying opponent who will beat you down with no mercy, because you give one scrub a chance to fight back, then every scrub you face from then on out will think they have a chance and keep fighting. Once Petra establishes that dominance over lower ranked players, she'll really start steamrolling through them, since she'd already come in with a huge mental advantage- vs. right now, every player's thinking: I just gotta hang until she starts making crazy UFE's.

Ps: I think we woefully forget how Petra not having a regular hitting partner (if she doesn't and hasn't), can negatively impact her game from rallying, serving, ROS, Volleying, etc.

Does she? :shrug:

Petronius
Sep 10th, 2012, 01:07 PM
Latest ranking:

1 1 Azarenka, Victoria 31/07/89 BLR 10265 18
2 3 Sharapova, Maria 19/04/87 RUS 8435 17
3 2 Radwanska, Agnieszka 06/03/89 POL 8295 23
4 4 Williams, Serena 26/09/81 USA 7900 15
5 5 Kvitova, Petra 08/03/90 CZE 6690 21
6 6 Kerber, Angelique 18/01/88 GER 5085 22
7 10 Errani, Sara 29/04/87 ITA 4755 23
8 8 Li, Na 26/02/82 CHN 4526 17
9 7 Stosur, Samantha 30/03/84 AUS 4200 22
10 11 Bartoli, Marion 02/10/84 FRA 3800 28

It would be great if Petra moved ahead of Radwanska before Australian Open for an easier road to the semis. It's not likely, but it's doable.

The good news: Petra is the youngest player in Top 10! :)

Excelscior
Sep 10th, 2012, 06:10 PM
Latest ranking:

1 1 Azarenka, Victoria 31/07/89 BLR 10265 18
2 3 Sharapova, Maria 19/04/87 RUS 8435 17
3 2 Radwanska, Agnieszka 06/03/89 POL 8295 23
4 4 Williams, Serena 26/09/81 USA 7900 15
5 5 Kvitova, Petra 08/03/90 CZE 6690 21
6 6 Kerber, Angelique 18/01/88 GER 5085 22
7 10 Errani, Sara 29/04/87 ITA 4755 23
8 8 Li, Na 26/02/82 CHN 4526 17
9 7 Stosur, Samantha 30/03/84 AUS 4200 22
10 11 Bartoli, Marion 02/10/84 FRA 3800 28

It would be great if Petra moved ahead of Radwanska before Australian Open for an easier road to the semis. It's not likely, but it's doable.

The good news: Petra is the youngest player in Top 10! :)

Isn't this what we said before the US Open? :confused: Petra only had 5pts to defend at the US Open. She could of passed Serena for 4th, even if Serena won the title (which she did).

Now, Petra has to defend her Tokyo Semi, Linz and YEC title, vs Aga's Asian Swing Vulturism.

We'll see?

Mynarco
Sep 10th, 2012, 07:36 PM
Is she not playing an indoor tournament before Istanbul?

Excelscior
Sep 10th, 2012, 10:06 PM
Is she not playing an indoor tournament before Istanbul?

Don't know (to your question)!

But I still find it funny that no one can say whether or not Petra had/has a full time hitting partner this year.

Who knows (besides other things)? Maybe this was one of the things that contributed to Petra losing to Sharapova and Serena this year?

How could Petra properly emulate and prepare for Sharapova and Serena with out a decent hitting partner? I know she only played Serena once this year. But just think about the amount of break points/2nd serves that Petra blew against Sharapova at the Australian and Stuttgart? Did she ever properly practice/prepare against this?

And Man, I don't want to ask/speculate if Petra and her team ever properly ever go over video of her matches and opponents, then apply it to future matches (though I'm sure they'd say so, if asked). :shrug:

But to stay positive, good luck to Petra in the Asian, indoor swing. :)

bruce goose
Sep 11th, 2012, 04:21 AM
And Man, I don't want to ask/speculate if Petra and her team ever properly ever go over video of her matches and opponents, then apply it to future matches (though I'm sure they'd say so, if asked). :shrug:Were you soliciting opinions in the slice above,Ex??Cuz I don't think that I should comment any more:angel: on the preparation techniques and ideas of some of Petra's team members:lol:

steni
Sep 11th, 2012, 11:24 AM
Were you soliciting opinions in the slice above,Ex??Cuz I don't think that I should comment any more:angel: on the preparation techniques and ideas of some of Petra's team members:lol:

Come on BG! Quién dijo miedo? Lol

Excelscior
Sep 11th, 2012, 01:39 PM
Were you soliciting opinions in the slice above,Ex??Cuz I don't think that I should comment any more:angel: on the preparation techniques and ideas of some of Petra's team members:lol:

Please comment. We have nothing to talk about till Tokyo. :lol: :angel: :lol:

Synth
Sep 11th, 2012, 02:12 PM
Do you think Kvitty plays better when Adam's around? or not around? :D

steni
Sep 11th, 2012, 08:22 PM
I dont know if you already discussed about this but What do you guys think about Petra and Hana Mandlikova?
http://etsuko209hana-mandlikova-freak.blogspot.com/2012/05/22122011-trenink-s-hanou-mandlikovou.html?m=1

Excelscior
Sep 11th, 2012, 08:46 PM
Hana was a great and very talented player. Nice photo shoot. It's good Petra (if she didn't already) gets to learn/know/hang out with other Great Czech Tennis players.

Wow! Hana still has the cheeks, but nothing else is familiar. Lol

Petronius
Sep 11th, 2012, 09:42 PM
I dont know if you already discussed about this but What do you guys think about Petra and Hana Mandlikova?
http://etsuko209hana-mandlikova-freak.blogspot.com/2012/05/22122011-trenink-s-hanou-mandlikovou.html?m=1

Thanks for the link, I haven't seen these pics, they're very cute. There's no doubt that Hana likes Petra very much.

I read an interview with Hana in March on the occasion of her 50th birthday and she said something similar as Hingis said in December: "I don't watch WTA at all, the players are very similar. But if I do, I only watch Petra" :lol:

I wouldn't be surprised if she produced a top player or even a slam champion in addition to already coaching Novotna to win Wimbledon.

I am still at awe that three of the four men semifinalists of this US Open - Murray, Djokovic and Berdych - are coached by former Czechoslovak players, which is a huge testament to the quality of tennis coaching in this country and I expect big results from Mandlikova as well.

Wouldn't it be cool, if she coached Petra for a year or two? :cool:

Petronius
Sep 11th, 2012, 09:46 PM
Isn't this what we said before the US Open? :confused: Petra only had 5pts to defend at the US Open. She could of passed Serena for 4th, even if Serena won the title (which she did).

Now, Petra has to defend her Tokyo Semi, Linz and YEC title, vs Aga's Asian Swing Vulturism.

We'll see?

You are absolutely right, I got myself carried away a little. Unless Aga Radwanska flops in Asia, Petra has little chance to move upwards in the rankings this year. :o

Excelscior
Sep 11th, 2012, 10:23 PM
You are absolutely right, I got myself carried away a little. Unless Aga Radwanska flops in Asia, Petra has little chance to move upwards in the rankings this year. :o

Yeah.

I don't know if you remember this Petronius, but Aga won two titles during the Asian swing last year (I think that was Tokyo and Beijing, which is 1900 pts right there). So it won't be easy for her to maintain points, unless she wins. However, Petra has similar or more points to defend with her success at the end of last year (YEC 1750, Tokyo 225, Linz 275?). Of course Aga got pts possibly elsewhere and the YEC as well.

But your original premise is correct, "Aga would have to flop, cause they both have lots of pts to defend". :lol:

Excelscior
Sep 11th, 2012, 10:43 PM
Actually Petronius, looking at the fall/winter schedule from last year, it looks entirely doable this year.

Petra could play Tokyo, skip Beijing, play Linz and then play the YEC, all with the proper amount of rest in between.

Last year she played Beijing after making the semi's at Tokyo. Hopefully, this year, if Petra does well in Tokyo again, she won't play Beijing, cause she would of already qualified for the YEC (unless Petra had purposefully crash and burned there, to get the needed rest).

Somehow I doubt it. Petra will play Beijing, cause last year she qualified and played there anyway. So I guess she'll play there again this year to meet her WTA requirements. :lol:

bruce goose
Sep 12th, 2012, 05:08 AM
Please comment. We have nothing to talk about till Tokyo. :lol: :angel: :lol:Well,I was encouraged to hear that they'll be moving Petra to a North Pole outpost the next time she gets sick cuz they're hoping to freeze the germs to death:crazy:

ShiftyFella
Sep 12th, 2012, 12:44 PM
Actually Petronius, looking at the fall/winter schedule from last year, it looks entirely doable this year.

Petra could play Tokyo, skip Beijing, play Linz and then play the YEC, all with the proper amount of rest in between.

Last year she played Beijing after making the semi's at Tokyo. Hopefully, this year, if Petra does well in Tokyo again, she won't play Beijing, cause she would of already qualified for the YEC (unless Petra had purposefully crash and burned there, to get the needed rest).

Somehow I doubt it. Petra will play Beijing, cause last year she qualified and played there anyway. So I guess she'll play there again this year to meet her WTA requirements. :lol:
If Petra skips Beijing it would be massive fail, she needs to play vs top 10 at big stages otherwise it diminishes her credibility as TOP4 player.

Excelscior
Sep 12th, 2012, 12:57 PM
If Petra skips Beijing it would be massive fail, she needs to play vs top 10 at big stages otherwise it diminishes her credibility as TOP4 player.

Huh?

Do you actually follow the Asian Swing?

Tokyo will have a better line up than Beijing. :eek:

Right now Azarenka, Sharapova, Radwanska, Na and Bartoli are all expected to be there.

I almost guarantee you that Sharapova and Serena won't be in Beijing (as they weren't last year).

Beijing has 1000 points and may be a Premier Mandatory event. But many of the top players don't regard it as much.

China is the lair of the Radwanska's, Wozniaki's, etc.

Excelscior
Sep 12th, 2012, 01:08 PM
Come on BG! Quién dijo miedo? Lol

I tried to respond to your message the other day, and it wouldn't let me respond.

I don't check or notice my PM's much, so sorry for the belated response.

ShiftyFella
Sep 12th, 2012, 02:32 PM
Huh?

Do you actually follow the Asian Swing?

Tokyo will have a better line up than Beijing. :eek:

Right now Azarenka, Sharapova, Radwanska, Na and Bartoli are all expected to be there.

I almost guarantee you that Sharapova and Serena won't be in Beijing (as they weren't last year).

Beijing has 1000 points and may be a Premier Mandatory event. But many of the top players don't regard it as much.

China is the lair of the Radwanska's, Wozniaki's, etc.
Azarenka could easily miss Tokyo but for sure going to Linz, Rena is going to Beijing cause Venus want to be there and she sort of implied it on Jimmy's show. I don't care about Li or Bartoli or even Kerber, I want Petra to have matches and preferably wins over VikaZilla, Aga, Pova before YEC so she would have more confidence going to YEC. Best chance of beating Aga is in Beijing, Vuvu at Linz, so why she need to shy away from competition and matches vs TOP4 before YEC?

Petronius
Sep 12th, 2012, 02:37 PM
Huh?

Do you actually follow the Asian Swing?

Tokyo will have a better line up than Beijing. :eek:

Right now Azarenka, Sharapova, Radwanska, Na and Bartoli are all expected to be there.

I almost guarantee you that Sharapova and Serena won't be in Beijing (as they weren't last year).

Beijing has 1000 points and may be a Premier Mandatory event. But many of the top players don't regard it as much.

China is the lair of the Radwanska's, Wozniaki's, etc.

It seems that Tokyo is a much older and prestigious event and I think it's very popular among players. It's also the only chance for them to visit the exotic Japan with its unique culture and atmosphere, hi-tech way of life, etc.
BTW, it's also the place where the last two matches between Navratilova and Graf took place. In 1994, a 37-year-old Martina beat a 25-year-old Steffi. So much for the argument who would have been the better player, had they played in the same era at their respective peaks :lol:

Excelscior
Sep 12th, 2012, 02:54 PM
Azarenka could easily miss Tokyo but for sure going to Linz, Rena is going to Beijing cause Venus want to be there and she sort of implied it on Jimmy's show. I don't care about Li or Bartoli or even Kerber, I want Petra to have matches and preferably wins over VikaZilla, Aga, Pova before YEC so she would have more confidence going to YEC. Best chance of beating Aga is in Beijing, Vuvu at Linz, so why she need to shy away from competition and matches vs TOP4 before YEC?

Serena also said she was going to Beiging last year, right up until she was supposed to be there. She didn't go. :lol: Don't you remember?

We'll see on that one? And I don't remember Vika being there last year as well.

As I said, Petra will face more legitimate competition in Tokyo than Beijing

Plus, if Petra plans to play Tokyo, Beijing, Linz and the YEC, then she'll have to skip one or get knocked out early, in order to have the proper rest.

That's what happened to her last year (she lost in Beijing early). I doubt if she won Beijing, then Linz, that she would of won the YEC to, after making the semifinal in Tokyo.

I'm telling you, Beijing is not the big tournament you think it is Shifty.

We'll see though?

Excelscior
Sep 12th, 2012, 02:59 PM
It seems that Tokyo is a much older and prestigious event and I think it's very popular among players. It's also the only chance for them to visit the exotic Japan with its unique culture and atmosphere, hi-tech way of life, etc.
BTW, it's also the place where the last two matches between Navratilova and Graf took place. In 1994, a 37-year-old Martina beat a 25-year-old Steffi. So much for the argument who would have been the better player, had they played in the same era at their respective peaks :lol:

Yeah, I think the top players just like going to Japan better, more. If they didn't, they would all skip the P5 Tokyo, for the PMandatory China Open, which follows right after. But they don't. Most commit to Tokyo first, then skip Beijing after (they usually pull out at the last minute with a phantom injury).

As far as the Martina vs Graf argument; you do realize (and I'm sure you do) that Martina herself regards Steffi as the Best All Around Female Tennis player, right? :eek:

Tokyo 1994, be damned!! :lol:

ShiftyFella
Sep 12th, 2012, 03:31 PM
Serena also said she was going to Beiging last year, right up until she was supposed to be there. She didn't go. :lol: Don't you remember?

We'll see on that one? And I don't remember Vika being there last year as well.

As I said, Petra will face more legitimate competition in Tokyo than Beijing

Plus, if Petra plans to play Tokyo, Beijing, Linz and the YEC, then she'll have to skip one or get knocked out early, in order to have the proper rest.

That's what happened to her last year (she lost in Beijing early). I doubt if she won Beijing, then Linz, that she would of won the YEC to, after making the semifinal in Tokyo.

I'm telling you, Beijing is not the big tournament you think it is Shifty.

We'll see though?
Beijing great for obtaining rankings points, thought if she manages to snatch a lot of them then you have to defend them next year which can be not so great like those points in New Haven for Petra, so maybe you right about playing in Beijing.

If Petra fails to advance deep enough to play Vika or Aga before YEC then for me it would be colossal fail on her part, thought if they are out before reaching Petra that's whole different story

Petronius
Sep 12th, 2012, 03:59 PM
As far as the Martina vs Graf argument; you do realize (and I'm sure you do) that Martina herself regards Steffi as the Best All Around Female Tennis player, right? :eek:

Martina says lots of nice things about other players :cool: The best 'all around' player? What about Steffi's one doubles slam versus Martina's 41 slams? :lol:

Tokyo 1994, be damned!! :lol:

You cannot disregard the match, as it actually happened.
It's actually quite a terrible loss for Steffi's fans. Yeah, it's just one, non-slam match in Tokyo, but if you want to be considered as the best singles player of all time, you can't afford to lose to a 37-year-old fellow all-time great when you are barely 25. For me it definitely plants a seed of doubt about peak Graf's theoretical ability to match peak Navratilova, e.g. Graf of 1988-89 versus Navratilova of 1983-84, when these two women were totally demolishing their competition.

steni
Sep 12th, 2012, 06:50 PM
I tried to respond to your message the other day, and it wouldn't let me respond.

I don't check or notice my PM's much, so sorry for the belated response.

???

Excelscior
Sep 12th, 2012, 07:52 PM
???

I had received a private message from you about a week or two ago.

And when I tried to respond, it didn't let me.

steni
Sep 13th, 2012, 12:00 AM
I had received a private message from you about a week or two ago.

And when I tried to respond, it didn't let me.

Ooooooh ok. it was nothing dont worry about it!

Excelscior
Sep 13th, 2012, 02:15 AM
Were you soliciting opinions in the slice above,Ex??Cuz I don't think that I should comment any more:angel: on the preparation techniques and ideas of some of Petra's team members:lol:

The other day I wondered if Petra's team shows her matches of her self? Come to think of it, now I wonder if they actually show Petra film of many men's matches (or at worst Petra's YEC, if they can't show her the men)?

Cause a lot of the tennis that Petra can play, most women don't play it. You'd actually have to watch an ATP match to see a player blend slices, off speed shots, spins, volleys, angles, chip or slice ROS and deft or high powered serving. Petra can play a mans game.

It's one thing to to try to explain these concepts. But when you see a Federer, Djokovic, Murray or Ferrer do it, it makes easier sense. Even her Czech country man-Berdych can mix it up quite nicely. The men just incorporate more variety on a whole, along with their superior power.

Even in Petra's YEC, she didn't use the stab, chip or slice return against a great server. Overall, the men just incorporate a better use of spin and racket manipulation to deal with a very hard hitting opponent or deep shots, instead of simply trying to always return the ball with power or a looper. Once mastered, this cuts down on errors tremendously.

We all know Petra has the great hands and the power, like an ATP player (not comparing her directly to an ATP player guys, so relax-). Lol.

Obviously, these are all things Petra's team can present to her in order to get better and reach her ultimate goals and potential. I hope they do so.

Petronius
Sep 18th, 2012, 11:28 PM
Two points:

1) Anybody knows if Petra plays Linz? This tourney is a great choice: an indoor hardcourt event is an excellent warm-up for YEC and the city of Linz is situated just about 50 km from the Czech-Austrian border, which means that Petra could enjoy the support of many Czech fans just as last year.

2) I noticed that the 5th-ranked Petra has more than a 1500 points lead over the 6th Kerber. In theory, this means that even if Petra failed to win a single match in Linz and YEC and had a decent showing in Asia, she would still probably remain at No. 5, as players earn a nice chunk of points even for round-robin losses at YEC. Talk about a comfortable lead!

steni
Sep 19th, 2012, 12:59 AM
Two points:

1) Anybody knows if Petra plays Linz? This tourney is a great choice: an indoor hardcourt event is an excellent warm-up for YEC and the city of Linz is situated just about 50 km from the Czech-Austrian border, which means that Petra could enjoy the support of many Czech fans just as last year.

2) I noticed that the 5th-ranked Petra has more than a 1500 points lead over the 6th Kerber. In theory, this means that even if Petra failed to win a single match in Linz and YEC and had a decent showing in Asia, she would still probably remain at No. 5, as players earn a nice chunk of points even for round-robin losses at YEC. Talk about a comfortable lead!

I checked the tournament website a couple days ago, and they haven't post anything about Petra's participation, just Azarenka, Paszek...

bruce goose
Sep 19th, 2012, 04:52 AM
Two points:

1) Anybody knows if Petra plays Linz? And you didn't mention that Petra was the defending champion,so it'd be nice to see her defend her title there as long as she doesn't have plans to overplay Premiers again in all the other YEC tune-ups

paulmara
Sep 19th, 2012, 12:24 PM
Petra Kvitova ‏@Petra_Kvitova 1h
We go to Prague later today and then I'm leaving for Tokyo on Friday. Looking forward to playing matches again :)

pling
Sep 19th, 2012, 05:11 PM
Two points:

1) Anybody knows if Petra plays Linz? This tourney is a great choice: an indoor hardcourt event is an excellent warm-up for YEC and the city of Linz is situated just about 50 km from the Czech-Austrian border, which means that Petra could enjoy the support of many Czech fans just as last year.

2) I noticed that the 5th-ranked Petra has more than a 1500 points lead over the 6th Kerber. In theory, this means that even if Petra failed to win a single match in Linz and YEC and had a decent showing in Asia, she would still probably remain at No. 5, as players earn a nice chunk of points even for round-robin losses at YEC. Talk about a comfortable lead!

Does anyone remember if Petra took the wildcard to Linz last year only after she bombed out the 1R in Beijing? I guess if she does well in China, then Linz will be skipped - with YEC and Fed Cup to come.

Interesting that in terms of Race rankings, Petra has more points than this time last year:

Race Singles (As of Sep 10, 2012)
1. Victoria Azarenka 8686 (14)
2. Maria Sharapova 8190 (14)
3. Serena Williams 7900 (13)
4. Agnieszka Radwanska 6296 (19)
5. Petra Kvitova 5310 (17)
6. Angelique Kerber 5080 (18)

Race Singles (As of September 12, 2011)
1. Caroline Wozniacki 7175 (19)
2. Maria Sharapova 6145 (12)
3. Li Na 5347 (16)
4. Petra Kvitova 5292 (15)
5. Victoria Azarenka 5057 (17)
6. Samantha Stosur 4925 (17)

But look at how Caro's 1st place in 2011 would only get her 4th this year! Shows how the slam winners have backed up their wins elsewhere on the tour and pulled away.

Petra's close enough that she should be aiming to overtake Aga in time to get 4th seed for the Aus Open (& so avoid a quarter-final against the top 3). I think this is feasible through Tokoyo, Beijing and YEC. She closed up a similar points gap last year to finish 2nd.

Go Girl :bounce:

Petronius
Sep 19th, 2012, 06:19 PM
Does anyone remember if Petra took the wildcard to Linz last year only after she bombed out the 1R in Beijing? I guess if she does well in China, then Linz will be skipped - with YEC and Fed Cup to come.

Interesting that in terms of Race rankings, Petra has more points than this time last year:

Race Singles (As of Sep 10, 2012)
1. Victoria Azarenka 8686 (14)
2. Maria Sharapova 8190 (14)
3. Serena Williams 7900 (13)
4. Agnieszka Radwanska 6296 (19)
5. Petra Kvitova 5310 (17)
6. Angelique Kerber 5080 (18)

Race Singles (As of September 12, 2011)
1. Caroline Wozniacki 7175 (19)
2. Maria Sharapova 6145 (12)
3. Li Na 5347 (16)
4. Petra Kvitova 5292 (15)
5. Victoria Azarenka 5057 (17)
6. Samantha Stosur 4925 (17)

But look at how Caro's 1st place in 2011 would only get her 4th this year! Shows how the slam winners have backed up their wins elsewhere on the tour and pulled away.

Petra's close enough that she should be aiming to overtake Aga in time to get 4th seed for the Aus Open (& so avoid a quarter-final against the top 3). I think this is feasible through Tokoyo, Beijing and YEC. She closed up a similar points gap last year to finish 2nd.

Go Girl :bounce:

Lots of good points. Yeah, I also think that Petra's level is not that much different from the last year. It's actually her competitors' year-on-year improvement which makes her ranked so 'low'.
On the other hand, we shouldn't take for granted that Petra will excel at YEC. She won it last year without the participation of Serena or peak Sharpie (ankle injury).

bruce goose
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:15 AM
On the other hand, we shouldn't take for granted that Petra will excel at YEC. She won it last year without the participation of Serena or peak Sharpie (ankle injury).That's true,but it'd be that much more satisfying now if Petra won when they were there at full strength

paulmara
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:49 PM
Anybody knows if Petra plays Linz?

Linz is not probable because Victoria Azarenka wants to play there. It is against WTA rules to have two Top 10 players without increasing prize money.

http://www.tenisportal.cz/zpravy/kvitova-do-haly-se-tesim-snad-to-vyjde-jako-loni-10895/

Excelscior
Sep 20th, 2012, 07:34 PM
Petra will probably play the indoor (forgot the name) that Azarenka played last year. And "We'll See", if Serena actually plays the YEC (and what type of shape would she be in, if/when she did).

ShiftyFella
Sep 20th, 2012, 09:34 PM
Linz is not probable because Victoria Azarenka wants to play there. It is against WTA rules to have two Top 10 players without increasing prize money.

http://www.tenisportal.cz/zpravy/kvitova-do-haly-se-tesim-snad-to-vyjde-jako-loni-10895/
great article, are there any info on whether event with Pova would be streamed or not?

Petronius
Sep 20th, 2012, 10:35 PM
Petra will probably play the indoor (forgot the name) that Azarenka played last year.

Luxembourg

Petronius
Sep 20th, 2012, 10:37 PM
great article, are there any info on whether event with Pova would be streamed or not?

It will be probably aired live on the CT4 sport channel, but you need a Czech IP address.

You speak/read Czech? :worship:

Excelscior
Sep 20th, 2012, 11:46 PM
Luxembourg

Yeah, thanks.

Keep in mind, that's a guess on my part. It all depends on what Aga (who's ranked higher) and Petra does of course.

bruce goose
Sep 21st, 2012, 03:45 AM
Linz is not probable because Victoria Azarenka wants to play there. It is against WTA rules to have two Top 10 players without increasing prize money.

http://www.tenisportal.cz/zpravy/kvitova-do-haly-se-tesim-snad-to-vyjde-jako-loni-10895/Not to mention that Linz has instituted a new,no-lemur policy:(.To HELL with them:devil:;they need Petra more than Petra needs them:p

steni
Sep 21st, 2012, 04:09 AM
Apparently Kerber is gonna play in Luxembourg, so it seems Petra wont play there either. hmmm

ShiftyFella
Sep 21st, 2012, 04:46 AM
It will be probably aired live on the CT4 sport channel, but you need a Czech IP address.

You speak/read Czech? :worship:
that's great, thanks.

btw, not exactly. i can read and understand like 60% of it cause it's almost similar to russian with few exceptions plus google translate helps too:p


Apparently Kerber is gonna play in Luxembourg, so it seems Petra wont play there either. hmmm
i think it's better for her, she can now show great results in asia(beijing gives alot of points) and rest before yec\fedcup stuff.

paulmara
Sep 21st, 2012, 08:18 AM
Petra „If Azarenka withdraws I will go to Linz … I signed in.“

Q You are without Jozef Ivanko . You are looking for someone else ?
„Not yet , I ´m only with David. We will see after the season.“

„I had 6 days off. I met my old friend. We had fun.“
Q Had fun ?
„No partying."

"I trained serve and return."

http://sport.idnes.cz/kvitovou-ceka-narocny-podzim-djv-/tenis.aspx?c=A120920_133712_tenis_ma

paulmara
Sep 21st, 2012, 08:40 AM
Toray Pan Pacific Open

Petkovic / Martić

http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/posting/2012/1056/MDS.pdf

steni
Sep 21st, 2012, 07:32 PM
Petra „If Azarenka withdraws I will go to Linz … I signed in.“

Q You are without Jozef Ivanko . You are looking for someone else ?
„Not yet , I ´m only with David. We will see after the season.“

„I had 6 days off. I met my old friend. We had fun.“
Q Had fun ?
„No partying."

"I trained serve and return."

http://sport.idnes.cz/kvitovou-ceka-narocny-podzim-djv-/tenis.aspx?c=A120920_133712_tenis_ma

:eek: she isn't in a hurry to improve her fitness... So just focusing in "serve and return"... This Petra is killing me!

Excelscior
Sep 21st, 2012, 07:44 PM
Toray Pan Pacific Open

Petkovic / Martić

http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/posting/2012/1056/MDS.pdf

Petra Martic (of the serve and volley, very talented Petra Martic's)? :lol:

If so, tough opening draw when you haven't played a month.

The only thing is, Martic can be mistake prone as well. :lol:

You know I didn't even notice "Petkovic's" name. I just assumed read it as "Petra Martic".

OK. Either match should/would be interesting then. Lol.

steni
Sep 21st, 2012, 08:07 PM
She got a nice draw until the semis I think, there are like 3 or 4 players that could be a pain in the butt but isn't impossible...

Petronius
Sep 21st, 2012, 10:29 PM
For those asking if Petra has a hitting partner: she said for tenisportal.cz that "I practiced with Lucie (Safarova) and with one male player from Prostejov"

I hope she didn't mean David Kotyza :lol:

bruce goose
Sep 22nd, 2012, 03:58 AM
For those asking if Petra has a hitting partner: she said for tenisportal.cz that "I practiced with Lucie (Safarova) and with one male player from Prostejov"

I hope she didn't mean David Kotyza :lol:Maybe Petra just meant that he was a 'player' with the ladies:lol:

Excelscior
Sep 22nd, 2012, 04:16 AM
For those asking if Petra has a hitting partner: she said for tenisportal.cz that "I practiced with Lucie (Safarova) and with one male player from Prostejov"

I hope she didn't mean David Kotyza :lol:

And I hope she didn't mean just her time at Prostojev. :lol:

Who was she hitting with the first 3/4 of the tennis season this year? Inquiring minds would like to know :scratch:

Petronius
Sep 22nd, 2012, 01:18 PM
Maybe Petra just meant that he was a 'player' with the ladies:lol:

Or maybe she meant the CEO of the club? He's a bit old and fat so Petra allowed him to use a special racquet to make up for the handicap. Petra must have had hell trying to hit thru him :lol:

http://img.ahaonline.cz/img/18/article/945306_miroslav-cernosek.jpg

Excelscior
Sep 22nd, 2012, 01:26 PM
Or maybe she meant the CEO of the club? He's a bit old and fat so Petra allowed him to use a special racquet to make up for the handicap. Petra must have had hell trying to hit thru him :lol:

http://img.ahaonline.cz/img/18/article/945306_miroslav-cernosek.jpg

Really nice looking facility, from every photo and angle I can see. :yeah:

Petronius
Sep 22nd, 2012, 01:49 PM
Really nice looking facility, from every photo and angle I can see. :yeah:

This guy is a great lobbyist with loads of great links to top politicians, entrepreneurs, etc. Once he boasted in the press that he got a $1.5m subsidy for a brand-new gym. :lol:
The AGROFERT logo on the background refers to a giant food processing company owned by one billionaire (he's on the Forbes 1000 list with $1.4bn fortune), who also supplies some cash to the club.
Lendl said that such big tennis facilities - which didn't exist in 1980s - might help discover and develop even more talented players than in the past. :cool:

paulmara
Sep 23rd, 2012, 01:22 PM
Petra Martić beat Andrea Petkovic 0:6 6:4 6:3

5/8 breakpoints saved
1/1 breakpoints saved
8/9 breakpoints saved

8 DFs and 5 aces

Synth
Sep 23rd, 2012, 01:29 PM
Nice draw for Kvitty. Least dangerous QF'ist and Sharapova over Azarenka.

Excelscior
Sep 23rd, 2012, 01:41 PM
I haven't looked at the draw. But let me get this right?

So your saying Petra (if she got that far) would have to play Sharapova again in another semifinal? And you're saying that's better than playing Azarenka (not saying that Petra isn't ripe to beat Sharpie, on this faster hardcourt-Petra should), who she hasn't played all year and beaten 4X in a row? That's supposed to be a good thing? :lol:

Wow! :eek:

I know what you mean (if I read you/the draw right). But how about something different for a change?

Petronius
Sep 23rd, 2012, 09:56 PM
Looking quickly at the Tokyo schedule, it seems that Petra won't play until Tuesday.

Rex59
Sep 24th, 2012, 10:25 AM
Looking quickly at the Tokyo schedule, it seems that Petra won't play until Tuesday.

True, but you won't see it. The Petras get Center court at 11 a.m. Tokyo time, which translates to 9 p.m. CDT in the States. ESPN doesn't start streaming 'til midnight, which means you'll get the last 3 matches on Center starting with, naturally, 'Pova's match with H. Watson, followed by Vika's match with Tamira and ending with Aggie and Jelena. Ergo, unless Eurosport pops up with a stream somewhere the Petras match "won't be seen".

http://www.toray-ppo.co.jp/tournament/pdf/2012wtaii_oop6.pdf

Excelscior
Sep 24th, 2012, 12:52 PM
True, but you won't see it. The Petras get Center court at 11 a.m. Tokyo time, which translates to 9 p.m. CDT in the States. ESPN doesn't start streaming 'til midnight, which means you'll get the last 3 matches on Center starting with, naturally, 'Pova's match with H. Watson, followed by Vika's match with Tamira and ending with Aggie and Jelena. Ergo, unless Eurosport pops up with a stream somewhere the Petras match "won't be seen".

http://www.toray-ppo.co.jp/tournament/pdf/2012wtaii_oop6.pdf

ESPN 3's streaming coverage is not till 1am tonight, and Tokyo is 13 hrs ahead of us.

More than likely they'll miss the first two matches (or a large part of the second one unless Petra's and/or the following match goes longer than expected).

Petronius
Sep 24th, 2012, 01:06 PM
True, but you won't see it. The Petras get Center court at 11 a.m. Tokyo time, which translates to 9 p.m. CDT in the States. ESPN doesn't start streaming 'til midnight, which means you'll get the last 3 matches on Center starting with, naturally, 'Pova's match with H. Watson, followed by Vika's match with Tamira and ending with Aggie and Jelena. Ergo, unless Eurosport pops up with a stream somewhere the Petras match "won't be seen".

http://www.toray-ppo.co.jp/tournament/pdf/2012wtaii_oop6.pdf

Thanks, so if Petra plays terrible, at least we won't see it. :p

Excelscior
Sep 24th, 2012, 01:18 PM
Petra's 11am match, would be 10pm US EST/NYC time.

ESPN 3 won't broadcast till 1am here.

Hopefully (as it was mentioned), they'll be a wayward stream.

Some of you Europeans should be asleep around that (3-5am your time) time anyway

steni
Sep 24th, 2012, 02:07 PM
F*** Radwanska qualified for Istanbul, so she is gonna be the fourth seed...

Excelscior
Sep 24th, 2012, 03:48 PM
F*** Radwanska qualified for Istanbul, so she is gonna be the fourth seed...

YEC is a round robin. And I'm not sure if the ultimate seeding/pairings can be determined from now. Aga just qualified to get in. I'm sure Tokyo, Beijing and some of the other tournaments can affect the seedings.

Plus, it's different than the other tournaments (the # 1, 3, 5, 7 seeds play in one group, then the 2, 4, 6 and 8 players play in another group).

I'm not even sure if Serena will go. But we'll see?

pling
Sep 24th, 2012, 04:25 PM
F*** Radwanska qualified for Istanbul, so she is gonna be the fourth seed...

YEC is a round robin. And I'm not sure if the ultimate seeding/pairings can be determined from now. Aga just qualified to get in. I'm sure Tokyo, Beijing and some of the other tournaments can affect the seedings.

Plus, it's different than the other tournaments (the # 1, 3, 5, 7 seeds play in one group, then the 2, 4, 6 and 8 players play in another group).

I'm not even sure if Serena will go. But we'll see?

If Aga has Tokyo/Beijing results of R16/QF then she can be caught by Petra or Angie if they do much better - like a win and a SF. Although it gets close there's always Moscow to grab a few more points.

But then, as Ex says, the seedings wil probably not matter as much as the luck of who you draw. Last year the groups were 1,3,6,8 and 2,4,5,7.

If Serena is there and still on form, then being in her group might actually be better, as two players qualify from each group and would not meet again until the final.

pling
Sep 24th, 2012, 04:28 PM
Petra's 11am match, would be 10pm US EST/NYC time.

ESPN 3 won't broadcast till 1am here.

Hopefully (as it was mentioned), they'll be a wayward stream.

Some of you Europeans should be asleep around that (3-5am your time) time anyway

I'm assuming this won't be streamed - and I'm not waiting up till 3am to find out :)

if Petra plays terrible, at least we won't see it. :p

That's how I see it :lol: Even if it was streamed at at 3am, I'd be so pissed if I got up to watch it and petra lost.

Jan_S
Sep 24th, 2012, 04:32 PM
YEC is a round robin. And I'm not sure if the ultimate seeding/pairings can be determined from now. Aga just qualified to get in. I'm sure Tokyo, Beijing and some of the other tournaments can affect the seedings.

Plus, it's different than the other tournaments (the # 1, 3, 5, 7 seeds play in one group, then the 2, 4, 6 and 8 players play in another group).

I'm not even sure if Serena will go. But we'll see?

The seeding can change: the rankings/race position (it'll be the same then) after Luxembourg and Moscow tournaments is what counts. And the two groups players are placed in are not rigidly defined by odd/even seeds. There will be a draw. The only rule is that the consecutive seeds--1st and 2nd, 3rd and 4th, 5th and 6th, 7th and 8th--end up in different groups.

pling
Sep 24th, 2012, 04:45 PM
The seeding can change: the rankings/race position (it'll be the same then) after Luxembourg and Moscow tournaments is what counts. And the two groups players are placed in are not rigidly defined by odd/even seeds. There will be a draw. The only rule is that the consecutive seeds--1st and 2nd, 3rd and 4th, 5th and 6th, 7th and 8th--end up in different groups.

So being 4th if Serena is third would mean different groups - which might then mean meeting Serena in SF. Whereas playing Serena in the group stage might be good preparation - if Petra plays well enough to get to the final again.

And if Petra and Angie stay 5/6 they'll be in different groups but could draw anyone else.

Jan_S
Sep 24th, 2012, 04:57 PM
So being 4th if Serena is third would mean different groups - which might then mean meeting Serena in SF. Whereas playing Serena in the group stage might be good preparation - if Petra plays well enough to get to the final again.

And if Petra and Angie stay 5/6 they'll be in different groups but could draw anyone else.

Yes. Basically, the worst case would be Petra ending up together with Maria and Serena (and Li).

bruce goose
Sep 24th, 2012, 05:24 PM
Or maybe she meant the CEO of the club? He's a bit old and fat so Petra allowed him to use a special racquet to make up for the handicap. Petra must have had hell trying to hit thru him :lol:

http://img.ahaonline.cz/img/18/article/945306_miroslav-cernosek.jpgWell,given his apparent wealth,maybe he IS a player with the ladies;)...but he'd still make a lousy hitting partner for Petra:lol:

Excelscior
Sep 24th, 2012, 09:30 PM
Yup Yup.

There are no streams that I see from Tokyo, that start before 2pm (Tokyo time) or 1 am NYC, US EST time.

Which is too bad, cause though it will be late for you Europeans, Petra's match will actually start 10pm for us on the East Coast of America. Not bad.

steni
Sep 24th, 2012, 10:50 PM
Why why whyyyyy...? I really I wanted to watch Petra, she better wins!

mac47
Sep 25th, 2012, 12:13 AM
Wait, you mean it is not streamed at all, or it is streamed at a lousy time? Because I will get up at any hour of the night to watch my lioness.

Excelscior, have you found any stream at all?

TimeyWimey
Sep 25th, 2012, 12:17 AM
^first two matches on centre will not be streamed, nothing we could do

TimeyWimey
Sep 25th, 2012, 12:22 AM
YEC is a round robin. And I'm not sure if the ultimate seeding/pairings can be determined from now. Aga just qualified to get in. I'm sure Tokyo, Beijing and some of the other tournaments can affect the seedings.

Plus, it's different than the other tournaments (the # 1, 3, 5, 7 seeds play in one group, then the 2, 4, 6 and 8 players play in another group).

I'm not even sure if Serena will go. But we'll see?

nein, only to make sure 1/2 3/4 5/6 7/8 are in different groups

Excelscior
Sep 25th, 2012, 01:40 AM
Wait, you mean it is not streamed at all, or it is streamed at a lousy time? Because I will get up at any hour of the night to watch my lioness.

Excelscior, have you found any stream at all?

I haven't looked again. But unfortunately, as far as normal means, I have not found one.

Maybe there's some bootleg Japanese stream out there. But as far as the proper ones for us to pilfer/see on our known sites, no. :lol:

Synth
Sep 25th, 2012, 02:40 AM
OI! Petra! What are you doing?

bruce goose
Sep 25th, 2012, 06:08 AM
Was it Tokyo or Beijing where Petra bombed out in her first match last year(?)...and then went on to win Linz,YEC and FC......I'm grasping for positives here:o

ShiftyFella
Sep 25th, 2012, 06:09 AM
oh man, did it just happened or i still see my worst dream?:bigcry:

Petronius
Sep 25th, 2012, 09:42 AM
This Tokyo tournament appears to be very unpredictable. Ivanovic out. Kanepi defeated by a qualifier. Stosur and Li needed tough three setters to get through and Sharapova struggled for three hours (!!!) with a qualifier. And now Petra eliminated by an inspired Martic, who, in her own words, played maybe the best tennis of her life.

If I were a betting man, I would stay away from this event.

Excelscior
Sep 25th, 2012, 12:02 PM
This Tokyo tournament appears to be very unpredictable. Ivanovic out. Kanepi defeated by a qualifier. Stosur and Li needed tough three setters to get through and Sharapova struggled for three hours (!!!) with a qualifier. And now Petra eliminated by an inspired Martic, who, in her own words, played maybe the best tennis of her life.

If I were a betting man, I would stay away from this event.

No excuses.

You were asleep. Me and Steni sat through this debacle on Live score.

No, we couldn't see it unfortunately. And I like Martic (and was concerned about this match and Petra's preparation, that's why you didn't hear say it was easy, etc.). However, let's face it, Petra was dreadful and woefully unprepared.

Both players served and returned like crap for most of the match, getting broken and accumulating empty BP's numerous times. Even if Martic, turned it around and played "the best tennis in her life" (according to Petronius) towards the end, Kvitova had blown so many opportunities earlier, it would have served her right.

But I'm not buying it. Petra was just unprepared, mentally out of it, and/or didn't compete, no matter how good Martic was alleged to had played. There was just no fight or consistency from her this match. We've seen it all before in early rd tournaments (the horrendous serving and inability to convert numerous BP's and gain any consistency and traction through out the match). This match was no different. Let's face it. Kvitova was probably Martic's Biggest scalp (why is it always Petra this seems to happen to lately) so far in her career. That's why it was her "best match".

And Bruce, Petra K. got knocked out Beijing early last year. It was Tokyo where she made the semi-finals, before losing that wild match to Zvonrareva, when she was up 5-1 in the first set and lost in two sets (I think it was two). Unbelievable!!

bruce goose
Sep 25th, 2012, 12:21 PM
No excuses.

And Bruce, she got knocked out Beijing early last year. It was Tokyo where she made the semi-finals, before losing that wild match to Zvonrareva, when she was up 5-1 in the first set and lost in two sets (I think it was two).You're right,and we've already had the 'friend excuse' with Hradecka,so hopefully we won't hear that it's hard for Petra to play someone with the same name:o

Excelscior
Sep 25th, 2012, 12:25 PM
You're right,and we've already had the 'friend excuse' with Hradecka,so hopefully we won't hear that it's hard for Petra to play someone with the same name:o

Yeah, right. :lol: :tape: :lol:

Synth
Sep 25th, 2012, 12:29 PM
No excuses.

You were asleep. Me and Steni sat through this debacle on Live score.


Seconded. The key difference between Petra and the ones that "struggled" is that the other ones made it through. She didn't.

Petronius
Sep 25th, 2012, 12:40 PM
Both players served and returned like crap for most of the match, getting broken and accumulating empty BP's numerous times.

What about the wind/sun/humidity? Especially the first two factors have serious impact on the quality of serving and I've read that Sharapova double-faulted like crazy. BTW, did you see the Murray-Berdych windy shitfest? :lol:

However, let's face it, Petra was dreadful and woefully unprepared.

What about the general notion that the first match is by far the most dangerous for tournament favorites, who tend to be vulnerable facing an already warmed-up qualifier/lower ranked player?

Even if Martic, turned it around and played "the best tennis in her life" (according to Petronius)

According to Martic herself.

Petra was just unprepared, mentally out of it, and/or didn't compete, no matter how good Martic was alleged to had played. There was just no fight or consistency from her this match.

I'm still not sure whether Petra really wants to be multiple (5-10 slams) slam champion and the No.1 player or just to be comfortably in the Top 10, earning $2-3m a year. We can't do anything about this, it's up to the girl. But it's possible to ask her in a future on-line Q&A, if any.

Excelscior
Sep 25th, 2012, 12:48 PM
Seconded. The key difference between Petra and the ones that "struggled" is that the other ones made it through. She didn't.

My condolences for sitting through it. :lol:

And you are so right. Petra K had to be the Shiny Dodo Bird [scalp] not to make it through. :oh:

TimeyWimey
Sep 25th, 2012, 12:48 PM
before such an important match, maybe i shouldn't post here after a long hiatus :(

so, is she going to play Linz or Luxembourg after Beijing?

pov
Sep 25th, 2012, 01:18 PM
I'm still not sure whether Petra really wants to be multiple (5-10 slams) slam champion and the No.1 player or just to be comfortably in the Top 10, earning $2-3m a year. We can't do anything about this, it's up to the girl. But it's possible to ask her in a future on-line Q&A, if any.
Wait . . are you daring to muse on whether she has the hunger to apply her prodigious talent and dominate the tour? No, of course not, I misunderstood -only a non-fan, troll like me would wonder such a thing.;)
(bitter any pov? . . :haha:)


Anyway . . . asking her or any pro-athlete such a question seems futile. Given today's media climate with its "rake people over the coals" attitude, would take a really unusual person to reply honestly.

pov
Sep 25th, 2012, 01:22 PM
Okay. No one saw the match. To me the stats don't look that bad. The only thing that stands out is the low percentage of points won on 1st serves in. And since no one got to watch . . there's no way to know why. Perhaps Martic was just returning serve at a level she hadn't achieved before. So . disappointed but I won't judge her on a match without having seen it or at least, hearing from those who saw it.

mac47
Sep 25th, 2012, 01:53 PM
Impressed with you for suspending judgment, Pov. I had you figured for one who would kick Petra to the curb.

pov
Sep 25th, 2012, 02:15 PM
Impressed with you for suspending judgment, Pov. I had you figured for one who would kick Petra to the curb.
:) I'm also surprised at this post by you. When I saw you'd posted I was sure it was going to be another attack of some sort. I'd come to think that it didn't matter what I posted - you'd decided that I was the "enemy" and that was that. So thanks. I think that, whatever different opinions we have, we'd all like to see her play up to her great potential. :yeah:

Excelscior
Sep 25th, 2012, 02:51 PM
Okay. No one saw the match. To me the stats don't look that bad. The only thing that stands out is the low percentage of points won on 1st serves in. And since no one got to watch . . there's no way to know why. Perhaps Martic was just returning serve at a level she hadn't achieved before. So . disappointed but I won't judge her on a match without having seen it or at least, hearing from those who saw it.

Fair enough. I certainly admire your diplomacy. But my guess is, you didn't sit through the livescore as some of us did. :lol:

Granted, I didn't see it with my eyes. No Sir-ee. But statistics can be deceiving (probably stabilized towards the end of the match to make it appear better). You can check some of the stats and notes I and Steni wrote during the livescore. It wasn't pretty for either player.

Martic only served 50% during the first set. She has a fast 1st serve yes. But she is not known for having a decent second serve, nor return. In addition, both Petra and Martic had a high amount of DF's to aces, both were broken numerous times, and neither could convert numerous break points opportunities (especially Petra) that were presented. The difference between the score, were the two extra breaks that Martic had amongst a flurry of them. Things may of only stabilized-match wise and statistically towards the end of the 2nd set (and Petra was still only one break down then).

Remember, Martic had already played a match, so if she couldn't serve well, that means she was struggling and Petra K couldn't take advantage. It was like no one wanted to win until the latter part of the second set, when Martic held. But you certainly wouldn't of been surprised if she didn't either. :lol:

From my vantage point, this match was no different than previous lackluster opening rd matches for Petra where her serve, ROS, BP opportunities and fight were lacking. How often does Petra serve 1 ace to 5 DF (which she had at one point) during a match?

I respect your fairness POV. But I think others that sat through this would agree with me. Yes, I like Martic's game. I do. But there's a reason why she's ranked where she is (mistakes, pressure and choking). Petra should of clamped down and won this match, even if Martic was inspired to play her.

Did I see it? No. But the up and down nature of this match, and Petra's lack of consistency in any area, reminds me of so many other early rd matches , where Petra was unprepared in so many ways. No excuses.

Excelscior
Sep 25th, 2012, 04:01 PM
What about the wind/sun/humidity? Especially the first two factors have serious impact on the quality of serving and I've read that Sharapova double-faulted like crazy. BTW, did you see the Murray-Berdych windy shitfest? :lol:



What about the general notion that the first match is by far the most dangerous for tournament favorites, who tend to be vulnerable facing an already warmed-up qualifier/lower ranked player?



According to Martic herself.



I'm still not sure whether Petra really wants to be multiple (5-10 slams) slam champion and the No.1 player or just to be comfortably in the Top 10, earning $2-3m a year. We can't do anything about this, it's up to the girl. But it's possible to ask her in a future on-line Q&A, if any.

1) The humidity was 78 percent, with 16mph winds (according to Steni). Not great. However, I didn't hear Petra complain about the conditions before hand. Both players had to play in it, and Martic's not a pusher, get the ball back type, so there's no excuses. Remember, Petra made the semifinals here last year.

2) Yeah, the first match can be the "most dangerous match". Agreed. But apparently, Petra was the only top seed to lose in the first rd? :tape: Doesn't she feel lonely, like at the Olympics, watching Pova, Rena, Vika and "My God" Makiri-who beat her in the semifinals (and later on, watching 3 of them on the podium receiving medals)?

3) Yes, according to Martic. But I quoted you, since I didn't read, see or believe it (the notion of, not that Martic didn't say it).

4) You don't need to aspire to be a number one player with 5-10 slams, to have gotten through that first rd match, in a tournament you made the semifinals in last year. Where's her pride? Wouldn't she wanna try to win it this year (especially after what happened in that Zvonareva semi-final)? How can she walk away, feeling satisfied with her performance here once again?

You just get a feeling, Petra took a vacation in the Czech Republic and then maybe hit a few ball with God Knows WHO (under God Knows What Supervision) a couple of times, then breezily flew out Japan, did a few photo shoots and interviews, then played her match. Petra's not always the most obsessively professional or prepared player it seems.

Now, is this the end of the world, especially if she goes on to win Beijing (though many of the elite top seeds won't be there)? No! Of course not. The way the schedule played out, it would've made no sense for Petra to go deep into both tournaments back to back. So we'll see what happens? But to my knowledge, Petra is the only "Big Seed", who went home early; again. :unsure: :weirdo: :unsure:

Not good. And not the end of the world either (especially for the enigmatic Petra Kvitova). However, what a feeble start to the Asian and Indoor swing for her.

ShiftyFella
Sep 25th, 2012, 04:17 PM
What about the wind/sun/humidity? Especially the first two factors have serious impact on the quality of serving and I've read that Sharapova double-faulted like crazy. BTW, did you see the Murray-Berdych windy shitfest? :lol:

What about the general notion that the first match is by far the most dangerous for tournament favorites, who tend to be vulnerable facing an already warmed-up qualifier/lower ranked player?

I'm still not sure whether Petra really wants to be multiple (5-10 slams) slam champion and the No.1 player or just to be comfortably in the Top 10, earning $2-3m a year. We can't do anything about this, it's up to the girl. But it's possible to ask her in a future on-line Q&A, if any.
Surface in Tokyo suits Petra's game so there no excuses in loosing to headcase Martic, she had cake draw up to SF or at least QF if you count Errani\Bartoli as dangerous opponents:lol:

Humidity excuse works only in US cause in Asia there not that hot and never bothered Petra from her own words.

Bringing Pova is not fair to your argument cause no matter how horrible she plays and irritating becomes, she's always comes through against mug opponents, Pova had only 8 loses but only 1 was to Mugsicki, on the other hand Petra had 14 loses and 5 were to muggers if we discount loses to Bartoli, Li Na, Venus and that's too many for TOP5 player. It's doesn't matter who Petra wants to be, she can't planning on staying in TOP 5 while losing to mugs outside of Top 10 on regular basis like she does.


before such an important match, maybe i shouldn't post here after a long hiatus :(

so, is she going to play Linz or Luxembourg after Beijing?
She can play only YEC after Beijing cause Kirby going to Lux, Vika to Linz, she can't even get into Moscow:banghead:

Excelscior
Sep 25th, 2012, 04:34 PM
Surface in Tokyo suits Petra's game so there no excuses in loosing to headcase Martic, she had cake draw up to SF or at least QF if you count Errani\Bartoli as dangerous opponents:lol:

Humidity excuse works only in US cause in Asia there not that hot and never bothered Petra from her own words.

Bringing Pova is not fair to your argument cause no matter how horrible she plays and irritating becomes, she's always comes through against mug opponents, Pova had only 8 loses but only 1 was to Mugsicki, on the other hand Petra had 14 loses and 5 were to muggers if we discount loses to Bartoli, Li Na, Venus and that's too many for TOP5 player. It's doesn't matter who Petra wants to be, she can't planning on staying in TOP 5 while losing to mugs outside of Top 10 on regular basis like she does.



She can play only YEC after Beijing cause Kirby going to Lux, Vika to Linz, she can't even get into Moscow:banghead:

Oh, maybe it IS THE END OF THE WORLD? :oh:

Are you saying Kerber is ranked ahead of Petra now (she's 5th and Petra's now 6th)? Cause, as far as I know, that's the only way she could play Luxemberg ahead of Petra.

If what you said is true, I would hate to see Petra waltz into the YEC hornets nest, after just losing her first match back to (ahem) Petra Martic in Tokyo.

Hopefully , she does well in Beijing, and/or has some decent indoor tournament to play.

PS: And I agreed with practically all your other comments as well (though THIS YEAR losing 14+ matches doesn't cut it as a top 5 player, though it did last year, when Petra was 62-13 and had the best record, winning percentage and titles.).

I agree though. Petra's got to up the ante!

18majors
Sep 25th, 2012, 04:40 PM
Oh, maybe it IS THE END OF THE WORLD? :oh:

Are you saying Kerber is ranked ahead of Petra now (she's 5th and Petra's now 6th)? Cause, as far as I know, that's the only way she could play Luxemberg ahead of Petra.

If what you said is true, I would hate to see Petra waltz into the YEC hornets nest, after just losing her first match back to (ahem) Petra Martic.

Hopefully , she does well in Beijing, and/or has some decent indoor tournament to play.

PS: And I agreed with most of your other comments as well.

Petra has 6520 ranking points and will be ahead of Kerber even if Kerber wins Tokyo. Kerber will have 5855 if she wins Tokyo.

Excelscior
Sep 25th, 2012, 04:55 PM
Petra has 6520 ranking points and will be ahead of Kerber even if Kerber wins Tokyo. Kerber will have 5855 if she wins Tokyo.

This scenario (if true) makes more sense. Thanks.

pling
Sep 25th, 2012, 05:07 PM
oh petra :sobbing:

I'm kind of glad now it wasn't streamed, so I didn't stay up night for it.

But hey - how about this for crazy optimism:

This time last year Petra had an embarassing 6-0 final set in a loss against a high-ranked opponent (Zvonareva) and then lost the first match of the next tournament to a low-ranked player (Arviddson). But then she didn't lose a match again all year - 12 wins across three tournaments: Linz, YEC and Fed Cup.

And now she's had an embarassing 6-0 final set in losing to a high-ranked opponent (Bartoli) and has then lost her first match of the next tournament to a low-ranked player.

So of course this must mean she'll now turn GOAT and win Beijing, YEC and Fed Cup!

:unsure:

Excelscior
Sep 25th, 2012, 05:12 PM
@Pling

That was good. :lol:

ShiftyFella
Sep 25th, 2012, 05:15 PM
Oh, maybe it IS THE END OF THE WORLD? :oh:

Are you saying Kerber is ranked ahead of Petra now (she's 5th and Petra's now 6th)? Cause, as far as I know, that's the only way she could play Luxemberg ahead of Petra.

If what you said is true, I would hate to see Petra waltz into the YEC hornets nest, after just losing her first match back to (ahem) Petra Martic.

Hopefully , she does well in Beijing, and/or has some decent indoor tournament to play.

PS: And I agreed with practically all your other comments as well (though THIS YEAR losing 14+ matches doesn't cut it as a top 5 player, though it did last year, when Petra was 62-13 and had the best record, winning percentage and titles.).

Agreed. She's got to up the ante!
Top5 secured at staying where they are, my problem that Petra now has little chance before AO to get Aga's spot which means easy draw up to SF but she has to produce and Aga need to be out early which is unlikely in Asia.

Kirby already signed so no more top10 players and Moscow already packed full, if i remember correctly if top10 signed to mm event no other player in top10 can get in unless withdraw or increased prize money or i just don't understand this rule:tape:

At the Player Commitment Deadline, players will be accepted in
the available Top 10 Main Draw slots based on the Top 10 List. A
next-in list will be maintained for Top 10 Players who were not
accepted into the International Tournament due to the International
Prize Money Policy.If a Top 10 Player spot becomes available due
to a withdrawal or an increase in prize money, Top 10 Players on
the next-in list will automatically move into the open Top 10 Player
spot either by direct acceptance or via a Top 20 Wild Card

Excelscior
Sep 25th, 2012, 05:38 PM
Top5 secured at staying where they are, my problem that Petra now has little chance before AO to get Aga's spot which means easy draw up to SF but she has to produce and Aga need to be out early which is unlikely in Asia.

Kirby already signed so no more top10 players and Moscow already packed full, if i remember correctly if top10 signed to mm event no other player in top10 can get in unless withdraw or increased prize money or i just don't understand this rule:tape:

Sometimes you wonder if Petra actually thinks about that sort of stuff (jockeying for position at majors) before a match like that in Tokyo.

As far as Petra playing those tournaments, relative to the Top 10, I always thought the higher ranked player had first dibs. But maybe you and the by laws you posted-are correct, and that's before the deadline? :shrug:

ShiftyFella
Sep 25th, 2012, 06:20 PM
Sometimes you wonder if Petra actually thinks about that sort of stuff (jockeying for position at majors) before a match like that in Tokyo.

As far as Petra playing those tournaments, relative to the Top 10, I always thought the higher ranked player had first dibs. But maybe you and the by laws you posted-are correct, and that's before the deadline? :shrug:
I think she just wants to play tennis and win matches but her team should think about that sort of things otherwise she should ditch them and get better team who would care about her progress and place in WTA, thought looking that far ahead can make you overlook next match which can impact your performance in it but today no excuses for Petra.

btw, now she has time to enjoy Tokyo like she wanted:haha:


also, as far as Linz\Lux goes we just have to wait and see. Vika can easily have great results in Tokyo and using that momentum takes Beijing title skipping Linz to rest before YEC but i think if she had great results in Tokyo she would skip Beijing to play Linz cause that way schedule more balanced and she wants to play at Linz badly.

pov
Sep 25th, 2012, 07:01 PM
Fair enough. I certainly admire your diplomacy. But my guess is, you didn't sit through the livescore as some of us did. :lol:


No diplomacy just calling things as I see 'em - like always. As for sitting through live scores -dang right I didn't. I may be crazy but I'm not masochistic. :D Seriously though, with all due respect for your diligence, LS tell nothing about how she played.

Excelscior
Sep 25th, 2012, 07:32 PM
I think she just wants to play tennis and win matches but her team should think about that sort of things otherwise she should ditch them and get better team who would care about her progress and place in WTA, thought looking that far ahead can make you overlook next match which can impact your performance in it but today no excuses for Petra.

btw, now she has time to enjoy Tokyo like she wanted :haha:


also, as far as Linz\Lux goes we just have to wait and see. Vika can easily have great results in Tokyo and using that momentum takes Beijing title skipping Linz to rest before YEC but i think if she had great results in Tokyo she would skip Beijing to play Linz cause that way schedule more balanced and she wants to play at Linz badly.

You are cruel (the vacation in Tokyo). :lol:

And yeah, I meant Petra via her team. Agreed! Most young players just want to play tennis, and take the advice of their coaches.

I've read Petra say she wants to be #1 and win more majors in the Czech press sometimes. And I've also seen her say the opposite, and sing the whole "I don't have any goals" deal with the American press.

It's the latter statements, along with Petra and her teams actions, that sometimes make you wonder if the REALLY do think long term positioning with her.

Shoot! I noticed Petra getting up to the #4 slot from the US Open. If Petra would of made the semifinal, I think she would of got there, even if Serena won it, like she did.

Now this. SMH

Excelscior
Sep 25th, 2012, 07:46 PM
No diplomacy just calling things as I see 'em - like always. As for sitting through live scores -dang right I didn't. I may be crazy but I'm not masochistic. :D Seriously though, with all due respect for your diligence, LS tell nothing about how she played.

True. But it does give a good idea on serving, ROS, and the flow of the game at least. If you're not making 1st serves, double faulting, a lot, and having a hard time converting your opponents 2nd serve (especially if it's not known to be good), it usually tells you something.

The other thing is, I've seen Petra play similar 1st matches, where her serving, ROS and BP conversions are frustratingly poor.

This match seemed no different.

And yes/of course, if I didn't sit through this, I may have more your attitude. :lol:

For the record, I knew beforehand if Petra Kvitova wasn't sharp during this match, she could lose.

ShiftyFella
Sep 25th, 2012, 09:34 PM
You are cruel (the vacation in Tokyo). :lol:

And yeah, I meant Petra via her team. Agreed! Most young players just want to play tennis, and take the advice of their coaches.

I've read Petra say she wants to be #1 and win more majors in the Czech press sometimes. And I've also seen her say the opposite, and sing the whole "I don't have any goals" deal with the American press.

It's the latter statements, along with Petra and her teams actions, that sometimes make you wonder if the REALLY do think long term positioning with her.

Shoot! I noticed Petra getting up to the #4 slot from the US Open. If Petra would of made the semifinal, I think she would of got there, even if Serena won it, like she did.

Now this. SMH
Personally i stopped listening to some bullshit that players says in interviews long time ago cause i just don't believe Petra didn't have any goals or idol person like she stated many times. I think she just want to keep things to herself so she's not overrating herself in eyes of the press, basically when she's not performing she didn't need to deal with some uncomfortable question about expectations. That's very smart but at the same time not that fair to her fans that wants to know her mindset coming into season\big tournaments\etc...

Sometimes i have no idea what Petra's team doing at all, it's like they don't want to force they opinions and goals on Petra but Petra being still young player and relatively new to huge career success waiting what the team would suggest to her, so they just stuck at mid air

Excelscior
Sep 25th, 2012, 09:59 PM
Personally i stopped listening to some bullshit that players says in interviews long time ago cause i just don't believe Petra didn't have any goals or idol person like she stated many times. I think she just want to keep things to herself so she's not overrating herself in eyes of the press, basically when she's not performing she didn't need to deal with some uncomfortable question about expectations. That's very smart but at the same time not that fair to her fans that wants to know her mindset coming into season\big tournaments\etc...

Sometimes i have no idea what Petra's team doing at all, it's like they don't want to force they opinions and goals on Petra but Petra being still young player and relatively new to huge career success waiting what the team would suggest to her, so they just stuck at mid air

Good points.

And yes, there's a fine balance between stating expectations to the press and not doing so.

However, they can say for example "these are our goals, if/when Petra can play like or do this. She has the ability", etc.

I agree with you, on why they keep it vague to the American press, and it's for a couple of reasons.

1) They don't want the pressure of expectations. I get that.

2) They don't want the questions if she fails or doesn't reach them. I get that as well. But how/when do they measure progress?

As you said, one must wonder if Petra and her team have any legitimate short, long term goals and strategy, and if so how/when do they follow up, analyze and implement them?

As I've said many times before, I think Kotyza teaches Petra individual tennis skills well (a lot of that probably has to do with Petra's natural lefty "good touch" and hands). I do. I just wonder about the saliency of her/their various ON and OFF court strategies.

They cannot be simultaneously serious and committed in Petra's development, and pleased with this result, if so.

Excelscior
Sep 25th, 2012, 11:16 PM
PS Shiftyfella, etc.:

It's funny we're having this discussion about Petra's team. I remember earlier this year during the Australian Open, or one of the spring hardcourt American tournaments, I was reading an interview with Koytza about Petra.

In this interview Kotyza, went on and on about how Serena was the best player when she's in form, etc.. And this was before Serena was even playing well this year.

I remember saying to myself, "My God Your Player Just Had A Great Year, You should Be Trying To Improve her, and you're waxing on and and on about another player, Serena Williams, who's not even playing well"?

Regardless of Serena's eventual year and Kotyza prescient clairvoyance, he seemed to expound more energy speaking in awe of Serena, instead of his own great young player, he should be trying to improve. That set off a red flag with me. I have no problem with a fair minded coach, speaking about another player. But Petra wasn't even scheduled to play Serena. Now that I remember, Koytza spoke about Serena being the best player-when in form, when asked "is Petra Kvitova The Best Player In The World", then he went off.

Yeah, he may of been trying to take the pressure off Kvitova. I get that. But where was the belief and swagger (even just a little) from her own coach?

It just makes you wonder if they have the proper belief, impatience and determination to build a champion worthy of Petra's bountiful talent?

steni
Sep 26th, 2012, 02:35 AM
Petra doesn't have a team... just a coach... Djokovic has a team... I mean can Petra defend her YEC title just with Kotyza? :rolleyes:

bruce goose
Sep 26th, 2012, 06:27 AM
Regardless of Serena's eventual year and Kotyza prescient clairvoyance, he seemed to expound more energy speaking in awe of Serena, instead of his own great young player, he should be trying to improve. That set off a red flag with me. I have no problem with a fair minded coach, speaking about another player. But Petra wasn't even scheduled to play Serena. Now that I remember, Koytza spoke about Serena being the best player-when in form, when asked "is Petra Kvitova The Best Player In The World", then he went off.

Yeah, he may of been trying to take the pressure off Kvitova. I get that. But where was the belief and swagger (even just a little) from her own coach?

It just makes you wonder if they have the proper belief, impatience and determination to build a champion worthy of Petra's bountiful talent?Yeah,that's dumb,strategically,from a psychological standpoint.Though I lack the technical knowledge to coach tennis,my strategy would include videotape of Serena getting outclassed on red clay so that the young player would have that visual imprint of her losing and being a mere mortal.I can't speak in detail as to how Petra's team prepares her for matches against top opponents,but I'll bet you that plenty of coaches don't know how to psyche up their young charges for matches vs. living legends

ShiftyFella
Sep 26th, 2012, 08:56 AM
PS Shiftyfella, etc.:

It's funny we're having this discussion about Petra's team. I remember earlier this year during the Australian Open, or one of the spring hardcourt American tournaments, I was reading an interview with Koytza about Petra.

In this interview Kotyza, went on and on about how Serena was the best player when she's in form, etc.. And this was before Serena was even playing well this year.

I remember saying to myself, "My God Your Player Just Had A Great Year, You should Be Trying To Improve her, and you're waxing on and and on about another player, Serena Williams, who's not even playing well"?

Regardless of Serena's eventual year and Kotyza prescient clairvoyance, he seemed to expound more energy speaking in awe of Serena, instead of his own great young player, he should be trying to improve. That set off a red flag with me. I have no problem with a fair minded coach, speaking about another player. But Petra wasn't even scheduled to play Serena. Now that I remember, Koytza spoke about Serena being the best player-when in form, when asked "is Petra Kvitova The Best Player In The World", then he went off.

Yeah, he may of been trying to take the pressure off Kvitova. I get that. But where was the belief and swagger (even just a little) from her own coach?

It just makes you wonder if they have the proper belief, impatience and determination to build a champion worthy of Petra's bountiful talent?
oh, just don't get me started on Huggy Bear. I don't get why he not teaches Petra to use more topsin or why they used baseline bashing tactics playing against Pova instead of using Petra's true game hitting cross court and going to the net more, this year looks like she just abandoned her game and want's to be brainless grinder occasionally remembering her game.

Serena even when not in form dangerous opponent on her will alone especially against top players, Petra has same killing serve like Rena but they don't use it as much cause she misses alot but more topspin fixes this problems and gives troubles to flat hitting pushers so no more stupid random loses. I understand that going en route to better placement and working on ROS would increases consistency and eliminates UEs but why you need forgetting about topspin. Topspin alone provides more control and eliminates UEs. I hope they just reserved this option to try in this offseason.

Excelscior
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:24 PM
Yeah,that's dumb,strategically,from a psychological standpoint.Though I lack the technical knowledge to coach tennis,my strategy would include videotape of Serena getting outclassed on red clay so that the young player would have that visual imprint of her losing and being a mere mortal.I can't speak in detail as to how Petra's team prepares her for matches against top opponents,but I'll bet you that plenty of coaches don't know how to psyche up their young charges for matches vs. living legends

I tell you Bruce, it was the weirdest thing and just came off very strange. It was almost like he was undermining his own player, who had a great year, who had shown even greater potential.

If he said it before the Ozzie Open (which was quite possible), then it was very strange indeed.

If he said it after the Ozzie Open-before the clay season, then at least complement Azarenka in there somewhere, while complementing Petra.

But I'm sure he said it, before Azarenka's 26 match winning streak and Ozzie Open win.

Either way, up until that point, Serena hadn't done anything, and it just made you wonder her teams preparations, strategies and mindset. :help:

Yeah Bruce. I'm with you. It made me wonder as well, if/when Petra finally got to play Serena, if she would believe deep down inside she couldn't beat her, and/or be content with a loss, cause Kotyza said "she's the best (even when she wasn't playing that way, and Petra wasn't scheduled to play her)".

Way to bring up your very talented young player. :help:

Excelscior
Sep 26th, 2012, 02:00 PM
oh, just don't get me started on Huggy Bear. I don't get why he not teaches Petra to use more topsin or why they used baseline bashing tactics playing against Pova instead of using Petra's true game hitting cross court and going to the net more, this year looks like she just abandoned her game and want's to be brainless grinder occasionally remembering her game.

Serena even when not in form dangerous opponent on her will alone especially against top players, Petra has same killing serve like Rena but they don't use it as much cause she misses alot but more topspin fixes this problems and gives troubles to flat hitting pushers so no more stupid random loses. I understand that going en route to better placement and working on ROS would increases consistency and eliminates UEs but why you need forgetting about topspin. Topspin alone provides more control and eliminates UEs. I hope they just reserved this option to try in this offseason.

It always makes me wonder, why Petra's team doesn't pull out that YEC tape and study/practice it with reckless and relentless abandon.

I don't care if Petra''s lacking THE WHATEVER to properly execute it now, make her! :lol:

Yes, we all remember the fancy volleys, drop shots and slices, etc. But even when Petra was "grinding out points", she was doing it by hitting angles, and deep in the corners and baseline, with out ball bashing. i.e., Petra was just moving players around the court till she had the advantage (screaming winner, drop shot, volley, looper, UE, FE's, etc.). Yeah, where did that go? :shrug:

Essentially Petra did at the YEC what Azarenka normally does, the only difference being- Petra placed more air under her balls (for better control), when she was moving her opponent around the court, corner to corner and side to side; aided with Petra's variety of course.

And I agree with your other point, that many times Petra's 2nd serve is so good, she can go for it more on her 1st serves.

What happened to her serve from last year and New haven/US Open-before second set of Bartoli (even though Petra still amongst the top 3-4 leaders in WTA serving before the Martic loss)?

Imagine if she recaptured that? :shrug:

There's an old saying, 'that your serve is a controllable and shouldn't leave you, even if the rest of your game does'. I guess, Petra didn't handle the windy conditions in Tokyo very well (though I've seen her serve well under windy conditions in the past). But she needs that part of her game to be an even more reliable constant indeed.

Obviously, everything we mentioned is a belief/practice/confidence issue, that Petra and her team needs to work out, re-implement and solidify.

pov
Sep 26th, 2012, 02:32 PM
PS Shiftyfella, etc.:

Regardless of Serena's eventual year and Kotyza prescient clairvoyance, he seemed to expound more energy speaking in awe of Serena, instead of his own great young player, he should be trying to improve. That set off a red flag with me. I have no problem with a fair minded coach, speaking about another player. But Petra wasn't even scheduled to play Serena. Now that I remember, Koytza spoke about Serena being the best player-when in form, when asked "is Petra Kvitova The Best Player In The World", then he went off.

Yeah, he may of been trying to take the pressure off Kvitova. I get that. But where was the belief and swagger (even just a little) from her own coach?

It just makes you wonder if they have the proper belief, impatience and determination to build a champion worthy of Petra's bountiful talent?

Perhaps he was just honestly saying what he thought. Which is why it takes fortitude to be open and honest with the media. No matter what you say, someone will find it inappropriate.

Let's say a coach thinks that a certain player is the most talented active player - do you think that means they shouldn't coach anyone else?

Of course I hope that he knows Kvitova has the talent to be at the top and that he reinforces and encourages her. Given how she gushes about him, I think it safe to say that he does.

Excelscior
Sep 26th, 2012, 02:32 PM
Hey Guys, FYI

To add injury to insult, Petra Martic loses a 3 set match against Petrova with 18DF's.

Obviously she had a lot against Petra K, as well.

Petra K must have stopped putting pressure on Martic, so she could eventually keep her DF's below 10. WTF? :lol:

The irony is, both of them (the two Petra's) were DF-ing and missing first serves like mad during the first and up until the mid 2nd set.

How does Petra K feel now? :oh:

Like I said, I'm not surprised.

pov
Sep 26th, 2012, 02:38 PM
Yes, we all remember the fancy volleys, drop shots and slices, etc. But even when Petra was "grinding out points", she was doing it by hitting angles, and deep in the corners and baseline, with out ball bashing. i.e., Petra was just moving players around the court till she had the advantage (screaming winner, drop shot, volley, looper, UE, FE's, etc.). Yeah, where did that go? :shrug:
Is this a trick question? :lol: No but yeah . . . I don't get it at all. If she was playing like that and her season had been the same as it was then okay sucks but no biggie.. . but it's almost like . . . . At the USO I sat closer to the court than her coach about a box away and what I saw on her face at times was just . . I dunno . at the time I thought it was related to her breathing but . .yeah I don't know . .it just didn't seem like she was fully present.

Excelscior
Sep 26th, 2012, 02:44 PM
Perhaps he was just honestly saying what he thought. Which is why it takes fortitude to be open and honest with the media. No matter what you say, someone will find it inappropriate.

Let's say a coach thinks that a certain player is the most talented active player - do you think that means they shouldn't coach anyone else?

Of course I hope that he knows Kvitova has the talent to be at the top and that he reinforces and encourages her. Given how she gushes about him, I think it safe to say that he does.

I know you like to play the role of contrarian sometimes. That's fine. And Kotyza can say or believe what ever he wants. Agreed. However, it just appeared like it came out of left field, considering Serena wasn't even playing well at the time, and the question wasn't about her.

Shouldn't his focus had been on moving Petra more along? Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with Kotyza saying "Serena Williams is the best player, and I want you to do this this and this, so you can beat her"!. Yeah I get that (though that would still be questionable, if other players, not Serena were dominating at the time). I get you.

Nonetheless, sometimes you just gotta wonder with Petra's team, based off of this and other comments and actions.

Of course we always pick people apart, reach and stretch after a bad loss. :lol:

pov
Sep 26th, 2012, 02:47 PM
Hey Guys, FYI

To add injury to insult, Petra Martic loses a 3 set match against Petrova with 18DF's.

Obviously she had a lot against Petra K, as well.

Petra K must have stopped putting pressure on Martic, so she could eventually keep her DF's below 10. WTF? :lol:

The irony is, both of them (the two Petra's) were DF-ing and missing first serves like mad during the first and up until the mid 2nd set.

You usually have good insights but IMO this sort of comparative analysis based solely on the stats doesn't hold.

Excelscior
Sep 26th, 2012, 02:54 PM
You usually have good insights but IMO this sort of comparative analysis based solely on the stats doesn't hold.

Sour grapes/disappointment :sad: :eek: :sad:!

paulmara
Sep 26th, 2012, 05:19 PM
I go to Beijing tomorrow. I had fun in Tokyo, sorry I couldn't be here longer but will be back next year :)


They wrote my name for me in Japanese. They told me it means 'music room. Neck flying leaf' haha :)

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A3uCNDDCIAI2od7.jpg:large

Petronius
Sep 26th, 2012, 06:08 PM
btw, now she has time to enjoy Tokyo like she wanted:haha:


Good point. I remember how Martina (Navr.) said that finally after 25 years on the tour she had time to visit the Louvre museum in Paris, because she had always reached finals in singles, doubles or even mixed doubles and hadn't had enough time to enjoy the city :lol:

Petronius
Sep 26th, 2012, 06:20 PM
Petra doesn't have a team... just a coach... Djokovic has a team... I mean can Petra defend her YEC title just with Kotyza? :rolleyes:

Last year at Linz, the Austrian TV showed her barely 17-year bf during a match with a caption going "Petra Kvitova's Coach".

The funniest moment of the tournament for me. :lol:

Petronius
Sep 26th, 2012, 06:37 PM
It always makes me wonder, why Petra's team doesn't pull out that YEC tape and study/practice it with reckless and relentless abandon.


Please. Once again, neither healthy Serena nor Sharapova took part in the 2011 YEC.

I can almost guarantee you that Petra would have won one or two slams or maybe even all of the first three slams this year, if she hadn't been stopped by these two multi-slam champs.

Petra would have had great chances in the AO final even against a hot Azarenka, because of their match-up.

Petra would have probably crushed Errani in the RG final.

And Petra would have great chances against Azarenka and Radwanska in Wimbly SF and F.

Once again, we don't now whether Petra would have won YEC with in-form Serena and Sharpie in the mix.

Serena was 22-3 in 2011 and this translated to the best winning percentage on tour. Her US hardcourt run was amazing until she screwed up the final vs. Stosur. Still had the best winning percentage though so it would be foolish to underestimate such a great player.

That's probably the reason why Kotyza was cautious and praised Serena, maybe also because he wanted to reduce the Petra hype and unwarranted expectations.

JMHO :cool:

EDIT: But I obviously agree with you that Petra played very good at YEC and displayed lots of excellent all-court skills and should try to build on this great performance.

Excelscior
Sep 26th, 2012, 06:55 PM
Please. Once again, neither healthy Serena nor Sharapova took part in the 2011 YEC.

I can almost guarantee you that Petra would have won one or two slams or maybe even all of the first three slams this year, if she hadn't been stopped by these two multi-slam champs.

Petra would have great chances in the AO final even against a hot Azarenka, because of their match-up.

Petra would have probably crushed Errani in the RG final.

And Petra would have great chances against Azarenka and Radwanska in Wimbly SF and F.

Once again, we don't now whether Petra would have won YEC without in-form Serena and Sharpie.

Serena was 22-3 in 2011 and this translated to the best winning percentage on tour. Her US hardcourt run was amazing until she screwed up the final vs. Stosur. Still had the best winning percentage though so it would be foolish to underestimate such a great player.

That's probably the reason why Kotyza was cautious and praised Serena, maybe also because he wanted to reduce the Petra hype and unwarranted expectations.

JMHO :cool:

That's a part time schedule Petronius. And Serena dropped out of several events she would have lost, that could have made that record worse. I'm not impressed.

Secondly, saying Petra could/would have won those tournaments sans Serena and Sharpie, doesn't mean that she is playing as well this year as she was last year. That's what you're missing.

The level that Petra has played so far THIS YEAR, has been inferior to her play LAST LAST (as far as peak tennis). And I and many other posters that don't even post on the Petra subforum have noticed and indicated that as well (Petra is not playing up to the level she did in 2011). Do you? That's why she doesn't have any Grand Slams, besides her match ups.

Regarding Martha, it's no secret. Sharpova got blasted by Petra on a fast, low bouncing surface. When Petra played her on a slower hard court at the Australian Open, she couldn't convert BP's, and lost. It was the same at Stuttgart, except this time Petra lost in 2 sets. It was even worse at the French, where Petra didn't seem to have any semblance of a game plan or how to play Sharapova on the slow, high bouncing clay, and lost in another comedy of errors. Sharapova has recently beaten her with consistency on the slower surfaces from the baseline.

As far as the YEC reference, it was a synopsis of what ShiftyFella was saying (hitting with angles, etc.). And if Petra would have played Martha there last year, Petra would have killed her-the way Petra was playing. I don't think Martha would have made a difference. More importantly, Petra needs to implement that all court, free flow game playing Martha, instead of the north/south baseline ball bashing tennis, she played against her their past three matches, on those slower courts. That's clear.

That was Shifty Fella's entire point. Petra is playing a baseline ball bashing game, instead of an all court one (or at the least, moving her rd with angles). Even in Wimbledon, Petra played an all court game to victory more than we realize (but of course not to the extent as the YEC). And of course her outright ball striking at Wimby was phenomenal.

So Petra either needs to get more consistent and committed with her slow court-baseline rallying/ball bashing; go all out aggressive/moving forward, going to the net more, or come up with a different approach and/or use more angles, etc. That's what the YEC reference means (60% pace rally ball, moving player round the court with angles, while implementing her variety).

Excelscior
Sep 26th, 2012, 08:31 PM
To put it simply Petronius, Petra is not playing as good this year as last year (despite the fact she could have won more majors this year if facing Azarenka and Errani). And if she wants to beat those other players you mentioned (providing they maintain this years form), she's gotta play a winning style again.

Her YEC form, is part of that style. I bet if I said Wimbledon, you would have no complaints. The difference is, that was grass. The YEC, despite being indoors (I never put as much stock in that as so many others did), was on a slow hard court, which is more reflective of so many events on the tour and in the Majors.

TimeyWimey
Sep 26th, 2012, 08:53 PM
thoughts on no-match days :p

last year i remember some tweets about Petra's practice at Canada, during Rogers Cup, it says there's so much fun on court with Kotyza and many of her shots just left the spectators in awe

i went to Cincinnati this August on the second weekend, i did not purchased ticket for men's singles semifinal starting noon, but when i saw Petra's practice schedule, i purchased, luckily, the last ticket available before they rolled out groundpass several hours later, and i can tell you i've never seen her being so subdued, one hour of practice, she hardly spoke anything while David was always trying to cheer her up, after the practice, she just signed one tennis ball before getting sheltered to the player's lounge by the (security?) staffs while kept saying "sorry"

so i don't know if this is because of the semifinal in the night session? (but on the other hand, i could hear the laughter from Angelique Kerber and her coach in the neighbouring court, and Venus, Li as well, also considering she already won the Rogers Cup)

i would pretty much see this as an individual situation if you're asking, but if anyone on here could share some experience if you have seen her practice this year?

Excelscior
Sep 26th, 2012, 09:00 PM
thoughts on no-match days :p

last year i remember some tweets about Petra's practice at Canada, during Rogers Cup, it says there's so much fun on court with Kotyza and many of her shots just left the spectators in awe

i went to Cincinnati this August on the second weekend, i did not purchased ticket for men's singles semifinal starting noon, but when i saw Petra's practice schedule, i purchased, luckily, the last ticket available before they rolled out groundpass several hours later, and i can tell you i've never seen her being so subdued, one hour of practice, she hardly spoke anything while David was always trying to cheer her up, after the practice, she just signed one tennis ball before getting sheltered to the player's lounge by the (security?) staffs while kept saying "sorry"

so i don't know if this is because of the semifinal in the night session? (but on the other hand, i could hear the laughter from Angelique Kerber and her coach in the neighbouring court, and Venus, Li as well, also considering she already won the Rogers Cup)

i would pretty much see this as an individual situation if you're asking, but if anyone on here could share some experience if you have seen her practice this year?

The irony is, she bombed at both Cincy and Toronto last year, while winning Montreal and going to the Cincy semi-final this year. So maybe Petra's disposition has no bearing on her actual results. She's that confounding indeed. :lol:

Maybe Petra was a little tired and frustrated in that Kerber match. Who knows?

However, when you think about her opening Tokyo match, and what happened to Petra's conquerer during her next match, you just gotta shake your head. :lol:

And keep writing TimeyWimey. No fears. :lol:

TimeyWimey
Sep 26th, 2012, 09:55 PM
The irony is, she bombed at both Cincy and Toronto last year, while winning Montreal and going to the Cincy semi-final this year. So maybe Petra's disposition has no bearing on her actual results. She's that confounding indeed. :lol:

Maybe Petra was a little tired and frustrated in that Kerber match. Who knows?

However, when you think about her opening Tokyo match, and what happened to Petra's conquerer during her next match, you just gotta shake your head. :lol:

And keep writing TimeyWimey. No fears. :lol:

not sure if mac was there that day, maybe she could see something different :lol:

is there just me or anyone else think she needs a psychological breakthrough more than all the things she's always suggesting that should be worked on (serve, ROS, etc), and that will ONLY come next time she beats in-form Pova or Rena (not wins ANOTHER SLAM)?

Petronius
Sep 26th, 2012, 10:05 PM
thoughts on no-match days :p

last year i remember some tweets about Petra's practice at Canada, during Rogers Cup, it says there's so much fun on court with Kotyza and many of her shots just left the spectators in awe

i went to Cincinnati this August on the second weekend, i did not purchased ticket for men's singles semifinal starting noon, but when i saw Petra's practice schedule, i purchased, luckily, the last ticket available before they rolled out groundpass several hours later, and i can tell you i've never seen her being so subdued, one hour of practice, she hardly spoke anything while David was always trying to cheer her up, after the practice, she just signed one tennis ball before getting sheltered to the player's lounge by the (security?) staffs while kept saying "sorry"

so i don't know if this is because of the semifinal in the night session? (but on the other hand, i could hear the laughter from Angelique Kerber and her coach in the neighbouring court, and Venus, Li as well, also considering she already won the Rogers Cup)

i would pretty much see this as an individual situation if you're asking, but if anyone on here could share some experience if you have seen her practice this year?

Cool story, maybe she's just 'moody' :lol:

Petronius
Sep 26th, 2012, 10:11 PM
That's a part time schedule Petronius. And Serena dropped out of several events she would have lost, that could have made that record worse. I'm not impressed.

LOL, I really think that you deprive yourself of potentially enjoying a 'change-of-the-guard' victory when/if Petra beats Serena in a big match, e.g. at the 2012 YEC or the 2013 AO.

While the entire subforum will be over the moon and celebrate like crazy the win over a 15-slam champion for you it will be just a routine victory over an unimpressive player :lol:

Just teasing you :lol:

Excelscior
Sep 26th, 2012, 10:33 PM
not sure if mac was there that day, maybe she could see something different :lol:

is there just me or anyone else think she needs a psychological breakthrough more than all the things she's always suggesting that should be worked on (serve, ROS, etc), and that will ONLY come next time she beats in-form Pova or Rena (not wins ANOTHER SLAM)?

I think this is a Chicken Or The Egg scenario. :lol:

Wouldn't Petra have to improve her serve, ROS, footwork, etc. to beat an inform Serena or Masha? :scratch:

On the other hand, if Petra beats them, when they're off their game, would it really make that much different psychologically? It's possible/maybe. :shrug:

Excelscior
Sep 26th, 2012, 10:37 PM
LOL, I really think that you deprive yourself of potentially enjoying a 'change-of-the-guard' victory when/if Petra beats Serena in a big match, e.g. at the 2012 YEC or the 2013 AO.

While the entire subforum will be over the moon and celebrate like crazy the win over a 15-slam champion for you it will be just a routine victory over an unimpressive player :lol:

Just teasing you :lol:

I know. :) And I wasn't really trying to dispatch Serena's 2011 record per se (though it was an abbreviated schedule indeed), I just wanted to move the conversation on to Petra. :lol:

TimeyWimey
Sep 26th, 2012, 10:38 PM
I think this is a Chicken Or The Egg scenario. :lol:

Wouldn't Petra have to improve her serve, ROS, footwork, etc. to beat an inform Serena or Masha? :scratch:

i've been always thinking about this, but it is receding quickly these days

On the other hand, if Petra beat them, when their off, would it really make that much different psychologically? It's possible/maybe. :shrug:

right, maybe not even require them being in-form, a win over these two is all she needs, i just don't see anything else would do the job for her after several months debating of what she should do in her training

off to watch some NCAA :wavey:

steni
Sep 27th, 2012, 12:46 AM
not sure if mac was there that day, maybe she could see something different :lol:

is there just me or anyone else think she needs a psychological breakthrough more than all the things she's always suggesting that should be worked on (serve, ROS, etc), and that will ONLY come next time she beats in-form Pova or Rena (not wins ANOTHER SLAM)?

I think Mac is a guy lol

steni
Sep 27th, 2012, 12:53 AM
Last year at Linz, the Austrian TV showed her barely 17-year bf during a match with a caption going "Petra Kvitova's Coach".

The funniest moment of the tournament for me. :lol:

She should hire her BF as a coach than...

Excelscior
Sep 27th, 2012, 03:00 AM
She should hire her BF as a coach than...

She needs to hire somebody. :rolleyes:

I just checked Petra Martic's record, and didn't realize she was ranked #72, had only a 17-16 record, and hadn't won 2 matches in a row since the French Open/May, before playing our Petra in Tokyo. My god! :eek:

I thought she was still ranked in the 50's. But she actually fell into the 70's, and wasn't even playing well when Petra K played her.

I know Martic's unpredictable, and probably was looking forward to her match with Petra K, but how embarrassing. :tape:

Now I see why you guys were talking about "Petra's easy draw".

Oh well. :oh:

bruce goose
Sep 27th, 2012, 04:45 AM
I tell you Bruce, it was the weirdest thing and just came off very strange. It was almost like he was undermining his own player, who had a great year, who had shown even greater potential.

If he said it before the Ozzie Open (which was quite possible), then it was very strange indeed.

If he said it after the Ozzie Open-before the clay season, then at least complement Azarenka in there somewhere, while complementing Petra.

But I'm sure he said it, before Azarenka's 26 match winning streak and Ozzie Open win.

Either way, up until that point, Serena hadn't done anything, and it just made you wonder her teams preparations, strategies and mindset. :help:

Yeah Bruce. I'm with you. It made me wonder as well, if/when Petra finally got to play Serena, if she would believe deep down inside she couldn't beat her, and/or be content with a loss, cause Kotyza said "she's the best (even when she wasn't playing that way, and Petra wasn't scheduled to play her)".

Way to bring up your very talented young player. :help:Though I can't claim to have any deep insight into Petra's personality,sometimes it seems that she prefers a sort of small-town,down-on-the-farm operation.It might sound greedy from me,but wouldn't it be good if her coaches/team tried to nurture more of a Killer Instinct in Petra(Isn't that what the REALLY great players possess)??With her talent,Petra wouldn't even need to be at peak intensity in most matches...as long as she could 'turn it on' when required(as others do),right?

paulmara
Sep 27th, 2012, 08:33 AM
I should get free tickets from my sister who's a lawyer and received them from a client. Either these or the tickets for the Kvitty/Sharpie exho :p

In case your wife is not interested, your friends are too busy and you still have free VIP sponsor tickets … there are always the other guys.

ShiftyFella
Sep 27th, 2012, 08:44 AM
She needs to hire somebody. :rolleyes:

I just checked Petra Martic's record, and didn't realize she was ranked #72, had only a 17-16 record, and hadn't won 2 matches in a row since the French Open/May, before playing our Petra in Tokyo. My god! :eek:

I thought she was still ranked in the 50's. But she actually fell into the 70's, and wasn't even playing well when Petra K played her.

I know Martic's unpredictable, and probably was looking forward to her match with Petra K, but how embarrassing. :tape:

Now I see why you guys were talking about "Petra's easy draw".

Oh well. :oh:
Yeah, it was cake draw. Now watching how tournaments unfolds I'm really embarrassed by Petra, two of biggest chokers in SF from her part of the draw and yet another easy road for Polish band to take one more title in Asia:tape:SMH.

Mynarco
Sep 27th, 2012, 08:45 AM
I like Nadia and hope she can go all the way. But what a missed chance for Petra...please do well in Beijing

Excelscior
Sep 27th, 2012, 12:57 PM
Though I can't claim to have any deep insight into Petra's personality,sometimes it seems that she prefers a sort of small-town,down-on-the-farm operation.It might sound greedy from me,but wouldn't it be good if her coaches/team tried to nurture more of a Killer Instinct in Petra(Isn't that what the REALLY great players possess)??With her talent,Petra wouldn't even need to be at peak intensity in most matches...as long as she could 'turn it on' when required(as others do),right?

Well it appears that way.

Isn't that how she won Wimbledon? :lol: She was very RELAXED (and they kept her that way). Right? :lol:

I think she won the YEC off of pride , cause she was embarrassed by her sucky play preceding it (along with better play, from the confidence she got from winning in the RELAXED Linz environment as well).

One thing though, being relaxed only works when you're playing well (particularly the Relaxed Wimby example). We all know, when you're not playing well (depending on the talent and play of opponent), it's your will to win and indomitable, fierce spirit that going to carry you through.

So Petra either needs to increase her level of play and consistency, or care more. :shrug:

Petronius
Sep 27th, 2012, 01:09 PM
In case your wife is not interested, your friends are too busy and you still have free VIP sponsor tickets … there are always the other guys.

I'll ask the sister when she comes from holiday on weekend, but I'm afraid she'll have only one or two tickets.

Petronius
Sep 27th, 2012, 01:16 PM
She needs to hire somebody. :rolleyes:

I just checked Petra Martic's record, and didn't realize she was ranked #72, had only a 17-16 record, and hadn't won 2 matches in a row since the French Open/May, before playing our Petra in Tokyo. My god! :eek:

I thought she was still ranked in the 50's. But she actually fell into the 70's, and wasn't even playing well when Petra K played her.

I know Martic's unpredictable, and probably was looking forward to her match with Petra K, but how embarrassing. :tape:


To make it worse, Martic said that she had felt terrible during practice sessions and therefore she had entered the Petra match with the 'nothing-to-lose' approach and it worked perfectly :o

TimeyWimey
Sep 27th, 2012, 01:21 PM
She needs to hire somebody. :rolleyes:

I just checked Petra Martic's record, and didn't realize she was ranked #72, had only a 17-16 record, and hadn't won 2 matches in a row since the French Open/May, before playing our Petra in Tokyo. My god! :eek:

I thought she was still ranked in the 50's. But she actually fell into the 70's, and wasn't even playing well when Petra K played her.

I know Martic's unpredictable, and probably was looking forward to her match with Petra K, but how embarrassing. :tape:

Now I see why you guys were talking about "Petra's easy draw".

Oh well. :oh:

Martic got injured in Roland Garros, and had to pull out the whole summer season before US Open, sort of like Kaia Kanepi

I wouldn't expect her to go anywhere near the level of top 5, but she's surely a joy to watch in fact (apart from glaring DF stats)

TimeyWimey
Sep 27th, 2012, 01:25 PM
To make it worse, Martic said that she had felt terrible during practice sessions and therefore she had entered the Petra match with the 'nothing-to-lose' approach and it worked perfectly :o

like Kvitova, these girls don't have much in their English repertoire, so i never took these Q&A seriously

Petronius
Sep 27th, 2012, 01:28 PM
like Kvitova, these girls don't have much in their English repertoire, so i never took these Q&A seriously

:lol:

Excelscior
Sep 27th, 2012, 01:41 PM
Yeah, it was cake draw. Now watching how tournaments unfolds I'm really embarrassed by Petra, two of biggest chokers in SF from her part of the draw and yet another easy road for Polish band to take one more title in Asia:tape:SMH.

Well, Petra better watch it. She could make it awfully hard for herself. Cause if she doesn't gain points in Beijing and bombs out of the YEC, she could find herself out of the top 8 possibly, and finding herself in even tougher GS draws (especially if she's not playing lights out). Hopefully, she'll step it up in China.

TimeyWimey
Sep 27th, 2012, 01:48 PM
:lol:

but anyway, it is still vastly better than my ability to speak their languages :p

after several months of inaction, i found an online Czech book store in Canada which sells fantastic tutorials, so i will try to revive that Czech learning thread next month ;)

Excelscior
Sep 27th, 2012, 01:48 PM
To make it worse, Martic said that she had felt terrible during practice sessions and therefore she had entered the Petra match with the 'nothing-to-lose' approach and it worked perfectly :o

I like Petra Martic and respect her talent, and love to see her play. But Petra K still sucked.

She lost to Petrova her next match with 18DF's. So obviously, she was right, and wasn't on her game. :lol: Petra K was just so bad, she couldn't put her away. :lol:

Horrendous!

And before someone says "The other Top players played poorly". Yeah, but at least they all didn't lose in the 2nd rd/1st match, and when they did lose, it was to other top 8 players. And Radwanska's still in it by the way.

Petra lost to the #72 ranked player. Inexcusable (especially a previously injured one, that hadn't played much). We've seen it all before from our Petra.

Isn't Petra tired of looking from the outside in (No GS titles or Olympic Medal)? :help:

Excelscior
Sep 27th, 2012, 01:54 PM
Martic got injured in Roland Garros, and had to pull out the whole summer season before US Open, sort of like Kaia Kanepi

I wouldn't expect her to go anywhere near the level of top 5, but she's surely a joy to watch in fact (apart from glaring DF stats)

She was injured, but she still played matches and lost. I repeat, since the French Open, Martic hadn't won two matches in a row till she beat Petra K. :help:

I like watching her to. But there's a reason why she's ranked where she is (and I thought she was still in the 50's-Lol). Like most talented players ranked below where you think they would be, Martic has been injured, inconsistent, has holes in her a game and been a choke artist). Like I said, "always good reasons" for their rankings . Lol.

We didn't see the match with our eyes. But this happens too often with Petra K for us to make excuses with her and let this one sly. I repeat, Martic is ranked # 72. :tape:

Not good. :help:

TimeyWimey
Sep 27th, 2012, 02:06 PM
We didn't see the match with our eyes. But this happens too often with Petra K for us to make excuses with her and let this one sly. I repeat, Martic is ranked # 72. :tape:

Not good. :help:

maybe later when we look back, this loss serves as a psychological breakthrough for US to, finally, accept Kvitty as she is (maybe a dumb analogy, Murray to big three until he beat Fed in the Olympics?)

Excelscior
Sep 27th, 2012, 02:42 PM
maybe later when we look back, this loss serves as a psychological breakthrough for US to, finally, accept Kvitty as she is (maybe a dumb analogy, Murray to big three until he beat Fed in the Olympics?)

I'm not saying she's done or I've given up. Petra could win the Australian for all I know. :lol:

I'm just not making excuses for Petra with THIS loss. We've seen these type of losses before with her, so there's no reason to make an excuse, giving her the benefit of the doubt.

Maybe if I saw the match, I would change my mind (if Martic played perfectly, which I know she didn't). But just following livescore, it was obvious (by the amount of early breaks) that neither one of them were sharp, and Petra let a slumping, previously injured player beat her.

My guess; once Petra realized she was in a match she didn't bother to suck it up, and/or freaked out that her game wasn't there.

I guess she's rather have sushi, see the Giza, and maybe visit Mt Fuji. :shrug:

SMH :help:

ShiftyFella
Sep 27th, 2012, 02:47 PM
Well, Petra better watch it. She could make it awfully hard for herself. Cause if she doesn't gain points in Beijing and bombs out of the YEC, she could find herself out of the top 8 possibly, and finding herself in even tougher GS draws (especially if she's not playing lights out). Hopefully, she'll step it up in China.
As much as I love Nadia and like Sammy but they are both colossal headcases yet they both managed to win few hard matches even being 1 set down, while GOATra failed to convert many BP opportunities. With withdraw contest in Beijing road to title open for Petra, only her head can prevent her to be successful there. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if Illarenka or Aga win YEC cause it seams like Petra already thinking only about Fed Cup final and not about inspiring finish in the end of the season or AO draw.

Excelscior
Sep 27th, 2012, 02:55 PM
As much as I love Nadia and like Sammy but they are both colossal headcases yet they both managed to win few hard matches even being 1 set down, while GOATra failed to convert many BP opportunities. With withdraw contest in Beijing road to title open for Petra, only her head can prevent her to be successful there. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if Illarenka or Aga win YEC cause it seams like Petra already thinking only about Fed Cup final and not about inspiring finish in the end of the season or AO draw.

This is one of the reasons why, after Petra won the Fedcup in 2011, I can't really look forward to it, until maybe a day or two before.

Cause it really appears that Petra gets up more for Fed Cup, than she does for so many other important tour events.

I agree. Where was the comparative effort in Tokyo?

TimeyWimey
Sep 27th, 2012, 02:57 PM
I'm not saying she's done or I've given up. Petra could win the Australian for all I know. :lol:

I'm just not making excuses for Petra with THIS loss. We've seen these type of losses before with her, so there's no reason to make an excuse, giving her the benefit of the doubt.

Maybe if I saw the match, I would change my mind (if Martic played perfectly, which I know she didn't). But just following livescore, it was obvious (by the amount of early breaks) that neither one of them were sharp, and Petra let a slumping, previously injured player beat her.

My guess; once Petra realized she was in a match she didn't bother to suck it up, and/or freaked out that her game wasn't there.

I guess she's rather have sushi, see the Giza, and maybe visit Mt Fuji. :shrug:

SMH :help:

i used to be the one who constantly provides this kind of sarcasm in this forum :eek:

well indeed it looks like a breakthrough for you :lol:

Petronius
Sep 27th, 2012, 03:01 PM
but anyway, it is still vastly better than my ability to speak their languages :p

after several months of inaction, i found an online Czech book store in Canada which sells fantastic tutorials, so i will try to revive that Czech learning thread next month ;)

If you love the language, you're halfway through. I have a French cousin who started learning Czech at 45 and now at 51 he's fluent (TBH he was very motivated, because he got a top post in a big French-owned Czech bank :lol:).

Keep it up.

Excelscior
Sep 27th, 2012, 03:07 PM
i used to be the one who constantly provides this kind of sarcasm in this forum :eek:

well indeed it looks like a breakthrough for you :lol:

I always had something snarky to say after these type of losses.

After a great US Open series, then a disappointing US Open, and a 3wk rest, I was hoping that Petra would have her batteries recharged, and ready to play and build on what she did in the US, in a event she went to the semi-final in, on a court that suits her game. I was wrong! :lol:

It's also embarrassing, when Petra loses in the first rd (or the quarterfinal of the Olympics), when her other top 4 brethren advance, especially when we argue she's better or just as good as some of them. :(

ShiftyFella
Sep 27th, 2012, 03:50 PM
This is one of the reasons why, after Petra won the Fedcup in 2011, I can't really look forward to it, until maybe a day or two before.

Cause it really appears that Petra gets up more for Fed Cup, than she does for so many other important tour events.

I agree. Where was the comparative effort in Tokyo?
I sort of get commitment to play Fed Cup but she think about it too much. It's funny but now knowing Venus could play in Hopman Cup I want Petra be there instead of going to play Sydney:lol:

paulmara
Sep 27th, 2012, 04:54 PM
I'll ask the sister when she comes from holiday on weekend, but I'm afraid she'll have only one or two tickets.

Thanks. That was just rhetoric. There are usually empty seats in sponsors´ section. Don´t worry about it. I had my moment and wanted to make a reservation for Maria-Petra exhibition. But decided otherwise.

paulmara
Sep 28th, 2012, 08:11 AM
China Open Daniela HANTUCHOVA

http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/posting/2012/1020/MDS.pdf

pling
Sep 28th, 2012, 08:37 AM
As decent a draw as we could have hoped for. Petra has won 4 straight-set matches against Dani, so surely no 1st round disaster here?

With Serena out, Petra as 4th seed gets Safarova, Stosur, Bartoli as other seeds in her section. And finally Sharapova is in the other half, and Petra is in dizzy Vika's half.

Pull your finger out now girl.

steni
Sep 28th, 2012, 11:10 AM
China Open Daniela HANTUCHOVA

http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/posting/2012/1020/MDS.pdf

I think the draw is wrong... Either Sharapova or Azarenka got a bye but Kerber did! Its this ok?

paulmara
Sep 28th, 2012, 11:34 AM
I think the draw is wrong... Either Sharapova or Azarenka got a bye but Kerber did! Its this ok?

BYE Aga- Petrova - Kerber - Stosur (Tokyo last 4)

Excelscior
Sep 28th, 2012, 12:04 PM
Speaking about Beijing (not that I understand everything you guys wrote). Lol.

The young lady, Petra Martic, that beat Kvitova in Tokyo, lost in the first round to Puchova 6-2 6-2 in Beijing. SMH

Oh My Petra (Kvitova). :facepalm:

PS: I'm not sure how much Sharapova and Vika will show up or play well in Beijing, but we'll see?

And yes, Aga (Da Vulture) Radwanska is the final again guys, trying to defend those points. :eek:

TimeyWimey
Sep 28th, 2012, 12:21 PM
dani? should be easy stuff for Petra, even she's to play the very first day

paulmara
Sep 28th, 2012, 12:33 PM
“In Tokyo, I had three double faults in the first game, so it’s not very often to have that for me, but that I can improve for sure,” Kvitova said. “I tried today to practice in the wind, but it’s not that easy.”

It was different conditions and we played indoor and I didn’t feel very comfortable,” Kvitova said. “But it’s not like something happened and I hope that I can improve my game here.”

http://www.chinaopen.com.cn/en/news/2012-09-28/1940445.shtml

TimeyWimey
Sep 28th, 2012, 01:17 PM
PS: I'm not sure how much Sharapova and Vika will show up or play well in Beijing, but we'll see?

And yes, Aga (Da Vulture) Radwanska is the final again guys, trying to defend those points. :eek:

play several games/matches then withdraw, my guess

TimeyWimey
Sep 28th, 2012, 01:30 PM
also i feel getting slow following these mandatour tournies at this time of the year :yawn:

Petronius
Sep 28th, 2012, 01:43 PM
Let's be honest guys, who expected Radwanska-Petrova final?

Show your true colors :lol:

steni
Sep 28th, 2012, 02:02 PM
BYE Aga- Petrova - Kerber - Stosur (Tokyo last 4)

Really? I didnt know they do that like that... Weird!

steni
Sep 28th, 2012, 02:05 PM
Speaking about Beijing (not that I understand everything you guys wrote). Lol.

The young lady, Petra Martic, that beat Kvitova in Tokyo, lost in the first round to Puchova 6-2 6-2 in Beijing. SMH

Oh My Petra (Kvitova). :facepalm:

PS: I'm not sure how much Sharapova and Vika will show up or play well in Beijing, but we'll see?

And yes, Aga (Da Vulture) Radwanska is the final again guys, trying to defend those points. :eek:

I know, I was thinking the same... Our Petra :facepalm:

Excelscior
Sep 28th, 2012, 02:07 PM
dani? should be easy stuff for Petra, even she's to play the very first day

I'm not sure if anything is easy for Petra at this point, till she proves otherwise.

And remember, Beijing is not a Grand Slam or important Grand slam warm up for Dani to choke on.

Who knows? Maybe Dani will be relaxed and play her game, if Petra's still going walkabout.

I hope Petra wins. And we know Dani plays into Petra's game. But you never know? :tape:

I hope Petra's motivated.

Good Luck Petra.

TimeyWimey
Sep 28th, 2012, 02:12 PM
Let's be honest guys, who expected Radwanska-Petrova final?

Show your true colors :lol:

can i just give these tournaments a :facepalm: ?

Melange
Sep 28th, 2012, 02:16 PM
It was almost the same last time except it was Petkovic, and before that Wozniacki won it so shitfest is usual

Melange
Sep 28th, 2012, 02:17 PM
“In Tokyo, I had three double faults in the first game, so it’s not very often to have that for me, but that I can improve for sure,” Kvitova said. “I tried today to practice in the wind, but it’s not that easy.”
Quote:
It was different conditions and we played indoor and I didn’t feel very comfortable,” Kvitova said. “But it’s not like something happened and I hope that I can improve my game here.”


What is all that? I didn’t feel very comfortable playing indoor and thats why I was serving like crap?

You lost to someone who couldnt win two matches in a row, how do you explain that

steni
Sep 28th, 2012, 02:23 PM
“In Tokyo, I had three double faults in the first game, so it’s not very often to have that for me, but that I can improve for sure,” Kvitova said. “I tried today to practice in the wind, but it’s not that easy.”
Quote:
It was different conditions and we played indoor and I didn’t feel very comfortable,” Kvitova said. “But it’s not like something happened and I hope that I can improve my game here.”


What is all that? I didn’t feel very comfortable playing indoor and thats why I was serving like crap?

You lost to someone who couldnt win two matches in a row, how do you explain that

So weird, she didn't say why she wasn't comfortable? Who knows what kind of BS goes through her mind when things aren't easy...

Excelscior
Sep 28th, 2012, 02:30 PM
“In Tokyo, I had three double faults in the first game, so it’s not very often to have that for me, but that I can improve for sure,” Kvitova said. “I tried today to practice in the wind, but it’s not that easy.”
Quote:
It was different conditions and we played indoor and I didn’t feel very comfortable,” Kvitova said. “But it’s not like something happened and I hope that I can improve my game here.”


What is all that? I didn’t feel very comfortable playing indoor and thats why I was serving like crap?

You lost to someone who couldnt win two matches in a row, how do you explain that

Maybe it's a problem in the translation (from Chinese, Petra or Paulmara, whatever), but it does sound like dribble from Petra.

So Kvitova lost that match vs Martic with the roofed closed? If so, I didn't know that.

Well, if this is true, there goes your indoor hardcourt streak guys (though it was a retractable, as opposed to a fixed roof, so Petra's still got that record to hold on to). :tape:

But then again, how could the roof had been closed when the serving was so poor?

It seems to me, like Petra was cryptically speaking about her practice in Beijing, as well.

TimeyWimey
Sep 28th, 2012, 02:32 PM
not comfortable for outdoor, not comfortable for indoor? now we have a solution, we have retractable roof! :lol:

Excelscior
Sep 28th, 2012, 02:38 PM
So weird, she didn't say why she wasn't comfortable? Who knows what kind of BS goes through her mind when things aren't easy...


Oh, she wasn't "comfortable", so she didn't fight?

The other thing is, Petra's the #5 ranked player in the world. There's a reason why Martic was ranked 72. As poor as we think Petra can play in many of these opening rds off of layoffs, unless the opposition plays lights out (which is rare), they usually lose. Many times these lower ranked players make mistakes, choke and take on court siesta's. That's why top ranked players usually win those matches when they play poorly.

Petra on the other hand (as Melange said), lost to a player that hadn't won two matches in a row since the French Open. :tape:

Embarrassing.

steni
Sep 28th, 2012, 02:44 PM
Somebody knows who pays to Kotyza, Petra or Prostejov?

Excelscior
Sep 28th, 2012, 02:50 PM
@Steni

Huh?

Lufa
Sep 28th, 2012, 03:04 PM
Somebody knows who pays to Kotyza, Petra or Prostejov?

She pays trainers (Kotyza and she paid Ivanko too), she was asked about that in online interview, about year ago.

steni
Sep 28th, 2012, 03:18 PM
She pays trainers (Kotyza and she paid Ivanko too), she was asked about that in online interview, about year ago.

Alright. I thought he was an assigned coach from Prostejov, and I thought the same about Ivanko.

Excelscior
Sep 28th, 2012, 03:29 PM
Alright. I thought he was an assigned coach from Prostejov, and I thought the same about Ivanko.

Right now Petra appears she could use some strategic, cohesive additions to her team.

ShiftyFella
Sep 28th, 2012, 04:25 PM
Maybe it's a problem in the translation (from Chinese, Petra or Paulmara, whatever), but it does sound like dribble from Petra.

So Kvitova lost that match vs Martic with the roofed closed? If so, I didn't know that.

Well, if this is true, there goes your indoor hardcourt streak guys (though it was a retractable, as opposed to a fixed roof, so Petra's still got that record to hold on to). :tape:

But then again, how could the roof had been closed when the serving was so poor?

It seems to me, like Petra was cryptically speaking about her practice in Beijing, as well.
on that day roof supposed to be closed all day and it was during televised matches, i was not sure about early matches but Petra just confirmed so and it's alarming:help:

Looking thought draw only problem can be Lucie, last and only meeting was not that one sided as score suggest and in New Haven Petra was in superb form but now i'm not so sure, Bartoli can pull again miracle but i think she would be too tired after Sammy

Excelscior
Sep 28th, 2012, 05:38 PM
on that day roof supposed to be closed all day and it was during televised matches, i was not sure about early matches but Petra just confirmed so and it's alarming:help:

Looking thought draw only problem can be Lucie, last and only meeting was not that one sided as score suggest and in New Haven Petra was in superb form but now i'm not so sure, Bartoli can pull again miracle but i think she would be too tired after Sammy

Ironically, if Petra wins Beijing (or even makes the finals) this year, she'll accumulate more points than making Tokyo semifinals and Beijing first match last year.

So Petra can still try to reclaim and redeem her lost points, self esteem and YEC aspirations. :lol:

TimeyWimey
Sep 28th, 2012, 08:16 PM
btw, will the match be streamed? the tournament website looks horrible and could not find any information on that, don't see that on ES as well

steni
Sep 28th, 2012, 08:34 PM
Right now Petra appears she could use some strategic, cohesive additions to her team.

I think Petra is cheap thats why she just have Kotyza...

Melange
Sep 28th, 2012, 08:39 PM
I wouldnt be surprised if Adam is doing some of the coaching now

steni
Sep 28th, 2012, 08:40 PM
btw, will the match be streamed? the tournament website looks horrible and could not find any information on that, don't see that on ES as well

This sucks... TennisTV start streaming until Oct 4... I think we wont see Petra playing!