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flareon
Sep 2nd, 2012, 08:44 PM
there is a thread on MTF thought it would be a good idea to do one here as well :)


for me I will miss them both. Kim I have always liked and always will and will always cling on to the idea that she may return :oh: same with Dementieva. Ever since Andy lost that epic wimbledon final I have been a fan got to see him at eastbourne as well :D

spiceboy
Sep 2nd, 2012, 08:46 PM
Love Kim, can' stand that prick.

Miracle Worker
Sep 2nd, 2012, 08:46 PM
Kim. She's more relevant in WTA than Andy's in ATP.

KournikovaFan91
Sep 2nd, 2012, 08:50 PM
Kimmy, Andy is irrelevant these days on the ATP.

Serenita
Sep 2nd, 2012, 08:52 PM
Andy

timafi
Sep 2nd, 2012, 08:53 PM
oh my Gawd not even fair to Roddick.Roddick has always been an Grade A asshole on the court and horrible player


nothing else to say about Kim that hasn't been said already

Nicolás89
Sep 2nd, 2012, 08:57 PM
Clijsters. She was relevant for more than a year.

Barktra
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:00 PM
Kim.

Roddick is an overated player who whore American mm's and had cakewalks of draws every time he played. Wont miss this duche bag a bit.

August
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:00 PM
I'll miss both but Kim more 'coz I think she could've still won even slams.

flareon
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:02 PM
I'll miss both but Kim more 'coz I think she could've still won even slams.

If she played a full season she still could...

Petkorazzi
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:02 PM
Why anyone would miss Rodick is beyond me. :lol:

Tenis Srbija
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:03 PM
Both :sobbing: :sobbing: :sobbing:
I started seriously watching tennis somewhere between 1999. - 2001. and that's when they were THE players to watch. Now, everyone is retiring year after year. I'm getting old :awww:

Brad[le]y.
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:03 PM
Kim.

Roddick is an overated player who whore American mm's and had cakewalks of draws every time he played. Wont miss this duche bag a bit.

This.

Kim is a much better person and player.

supergrunt
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:07 PM
Kim. It's always sad when top players/big names leave the women's tour since we desperately need them :o .

NashaMasha
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:09 PM
Kim.

Roddick is an overated player who whore American mm's and had cakewalks of draws every time he played. Wont miss this duche bag a bit.

Roddick was in 5 Slam Finals and the only reason he has now much less Slams than Kim is that he had to face Federer in Finals , not the likes of Zvonareva, Wozniacki or Li Na

Dodoboy.
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:10 PM
Andy Roddick, I love him, watched him since I started following tennis. Such a top man. Kim, I love too, but I don't really watch many of her matches :shrug: Didn't miss her in her other retirements :shrug:

Barktra
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:15 PM
Roddick was in 5 Slam Finals and the only reason he has now much less Slams than Kim is that he had to face Federer in Finals , not the likes of Zvonareva, Wozniacki or Li Na

Well Roddick had Ferreo as his opponent for his slam win :o also faced choking nalbandian in the semis

pierce85
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:17 PM
Roddick was in 5 Slam Finals and the only reason he has now much less Slams than Kim is that he had to face Federer in Finals , not the likes of Zvonareva, Wozniacki or Li Na

Also Kim would have much more slams hadn't she faced Justine, Capriati and Serena in finals and semifinals , so your point is invalid

Brad[le]y.
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:18 PM
Roddick was in 5 Slam Finals and the only reason he has now much less Slams than Kim is that he had to face Federer in Finals , not the likes of Zvonareva, Wozniacki or Li Na

Kim played in an era of all time greats too, try again :lol:

Memento83
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:18 PM
Well Roddick had Ferreo as his opponent for his slam win :o also faced choking nalbandian in the semis

Ferrero was world no 1 and RG champion at the time.

Nalby should have won the SF though.

cellophane
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:18 PM
Kim of course... don't give two shits about Roddick

Barktra
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:19 PM
Ferrero was world no 1 and RG champion at the time.

Nalby should have won the SF though.

Ferrero can't return at all on a hard court :weirdo:

edificio
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:20 PM
Andy's interviews are funnier.

dangalak
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:21 PM
Anyone that wants to understand why TF has horrible people and complete and utter morons in terms of tennis knowledge, look at this thread.

I mean good God, what kind of horrible piece of shit of a human being do you have to be to judge a human being a a "worse person" because they yelled at some linespeople.

pierce85
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:23 PM
Let's try to make a comparison.

Kim was a complete player in many aspects, fantastic offense and defense. Roddick was a serve bot with a good forehand and has chosen to become a pusher during the last years of his career. Kim was much more complete as a player.

Kim had a genuine likeable personality and has created no scandal or altercation throughout her career. Roddick was a douchebag, with an overinflated ego and horrible character towards referees, ball boys etc.

flareon
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:25 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9fo6kXBbL1qga4uzo8_500.jpg

:D Roddick is fun though he does make me laugh just watch the Hit for Haiti and other charity events, but then kim is hilarious as well her best moment was to wozniacki when she said I will shove this ball down your throat :tape: :lol:

dangalak
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:25 PM
Kim played in an era of all time greats too, try again :lol:

Federer>>>>all of those mugs. :lol:

Let's try to make a comparison.

Kim was a complete player in many aspects, fantastic offense and defense. Roddick was a serve bot with a good forehand and has chosen to become a pusher during the last years of his career. Kim was much more complete as a player.

Kim had a genuine likeable personality and has created no scandal or altercation throughout her career. Roddick was a douchebag, with an overinflated ego and horrible character towards referees, ball boys etc.

The first point is so irrelevant, it doesn't even deserve to be addressed.

The second point is also moot as Roddick had more personality in his pinky than Kim had in her entire body. :lol:

EDIT: The fact that most Roddick haters are picking Kim because "she's more relevant" is basically another way of saying "I'm a gloryhunting scumbag" :lol:

Not to mention that Serena is way more classless and thuggish than Roddick.

Roddick had horrible luck and would probably win around 4 slams in a standard era. Clijsters picked up 2 of her 4 slams in some of the weakest eras in all of tennis (the other 2 being better but not by much)

NashaMasha
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:27 PM
Well Roddick had Ferreo as his opponent for his slam win :o also faced choking nalbandian in the semis
Ferrero was at his peak with RG title that year and Madrid Masters on Hard(beat Federer in SF)

Who are Wozniacki and Zvonareva in comparison with Ferrero? actually nobodies

Memento83
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:27 PM
Ferrero can't return at all on a hard court :weirdo:

He returned well enough to beat Agassi, Hewitt and an ageing but still big serving Todd Martin that tournament. All former USO champions/finalists. But hate away.

flareon
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:28 PM
Federer>>>>all of those mugs. :lol:



The first point is so irrelevant, it doesn't even deserve to be addressed.

The second point is also moot as Roddick had more personality in his pinky than Kim had in her entire body. :lol:

Your wrong Kim did have a personality just watch some of the exhos shes in plus she had a generous kind heart look at some of the donations she has, that said roddick does have a charity, but I find kims humour very dry... :bounce: Like I said I will miss both of them.

Tenis Srbija
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:28 PM
Roddick was in 5 Slam Finals and the only reason he has now much less Slams than Kim is that he had to face Federer in Finals , not the likes of Zvonareva, Wozniacki or Li Na

:worship:

Barktra
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:29 PM
He returned well enough to beat Agassi, Hewitt and an ageing but still big serving Todd Martin that tournament. All former USO champions/finalists. But hate away.

To be fair hewitt, agassi, or martin didn't have as a big of a serve as roddick at the time

pierce85
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:31 PM
Federer>>>>all of those mugs. :lol:



The first point is so irrelevant, it doesn't even deserve to be addressed.

The second point is also moot as Roddick had more personality in his pinky than Kim had in her entire body. :lol:

Is it irrelevant? I thought we were all watching and appreciating good tennis... It must take tremendous effort to appreciate the "beauty" in Roddick's game, a servebot throughout most of his career and a pusher for the last 2-3 years

cowsonice
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:32 PM
Andy Roddick.

We all knew Kim was going to retire in 2012 anyway. Her part-timing this year (skipping all the major events) really makes it hard for me to miss her. I will always love Kim for making me fall in love with tennis, but her constant absence already makes it seem like she's retired.

She went out with a whimper and rightfully so. The WTA has evolved and improved so much since 2009 that it's no longer ok to just show up to the majors and expect to win them.

flareon
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:32 PM
Is it irrelevant? I thought we were all watching and appreciating good tennis... It must take tremendous effort to appreciate the "beauty" in Roddick's game, a servebot throughout most of his career and a pusher for the last 2-3 years

:o you need to look up the definition of pusher roddick was not a pusher hes got a good backhand slice and moves up the net alot his forehand is still relevant as well :o to describe roddick as a pusher then the whole WTA are pushers... :rolleyes:

Barktra
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:33 PM
Ferrero was at his peak with RG title that year and Madrid Masters on Hard(beat Federer in SF)

Who are Wozniacki and Zvonareva in comparison with Ferrero? actually nobodies

I mean out of anybody, Ferrero is a perfect match for Roddick :shrug:

NashaMasha
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:34 PM
To be fair hewitt, agassi, or martin didn't have as a big of a serve as roddick at the time
It's the same as to accuse Serena of having big serve.....

Yashal
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:34 PM
Kim by faaaaaar :sad:

Tenis Srbija
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:35 PM
Is it irrelevant? I thought we were all watching and appreciating good tennis... It must take tremendous effort to appreciate the "beauty" in Roddick's game, a servebot throughout most of his career and a pusher for the last 2-3 years

People here should really, really, but seriously REALLY, learn the meaning of these words they use so much... REALLY!

dangalak
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:36 PM
Your wrong Kim did have a personality just watch some of the exhos shes in plus she had a generous kind heart look at some of the donations she has, that said roddick does have a charity, but I find kims humour very dry... :bounce: Like I said I will miss both of them.

I didn't say that Kim has no personality, I said Roddick has more in his pinky than she has in his entire body. :D

Is it irrelevant? I thought we were all watching and appreciating good tennis... It must take tremendous effort to appreciate the "beauty" in Roddick's game, a servebot throughout most of his career and a pusher for the last 2-3 years

The question was "Who will you miss more?" and not "Whose game is more beautiful?"

Serena's game is ugly as hell, I'm pretty sure people will miss her regardless.

Barktra
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:36 PM
It's the same as to accuse Serena of having big serve.....

Well serena has more skils than just a serve

NashaMasha
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:38 PM
Well serena has more skils than just a serve

so has Roddick , or you might have never seen his match vs Federer in 2009 at Wimbledon

dangalak
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:39 PM
Well serena has more skils than just a serve

So does Roddick. What's your point? :confused:

pierce85
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:39 PM
People here should really, really, but seriously REALLY, learn the meaning of these words they use so much... REALLY!

I know really well what "pusher" means. You need to watch more ATP matches or visit MTF where people laugh with Roddick because his game has transformed from a fully offensive game with a tremendous serve to a defense orientated one with a much inferior serve

Barktra
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:42 PM
so has Roddick , or you might have never seen his match vs Federer in 2009 at Wimbledon

I never meant to say Roddick has no skills. Kim could have more grand slams herself if weren't for serena and justine :shrug: Both Roddick and Kim played in an era of goats

I won't miss roddick because of amercian media

Barktra
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:43 PM
So does Roddick. What's your point? :confused:

My point is Serena has more skills than just a serve

NashaMasha
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:44 PM
I know really well what "pusher" means. You need to watch more ATP matches or visit MTF where people laugh with Roddick because his game has transformed from a fully offensive game with a tremendous serve to a defense orientated one with a much inferior serve

124-127 mph average first serve and 141 mph top speed at this US OPen - much inferiour serve?

:lol::lol::tape:

My point is Serena has more skills than just a serve
only her BH is better , Roddick wasn't winning his matches only with serve , it was just one of his weapons... The same as Serena

Tenis Srbija
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:44 PM
I know really well what "pusher" means. You need to watch more ATP matches or visit MTF where people laugh with Roddick because his game has transformed from a fully offensive game with a tremendous serve to a defense orientated one with a much inferior serve

No, it's just that his BH got worse over the years and from that side he can't do anything so he just gets the ball back. But even so he tries to smash BH DTL often. You should watch more tennis live and cut on reading what a bunch of guys behind computers write on the internet. Trust me.

hurricanejeanne
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:48 PM
Neither.

I'll grant you that it's definitely "an end of an era" because for me personally I started watching tennis during the 2003 US Open which both of these players excelled in. That said, to put it mildly, I never cared for either one of them.

Brad[le]y.
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:49 PM
so has Roddick , or you might have never seen his match vs Federer in 2009 at Wimbledon

Oh yes, we forgot about his ability to shank volleys when you're up set point :bowdown:

pierce85
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:51 PM
124-127 mph average first serve and 141 mph top speed at this US OPen - much inferiour serve?

:lol::lol::tape:

You probably don't know much about tennis, try searching his first serve percentage and comparing it to 5 or 7 years ago. A good serve is not only about speed, but placement and Second serve reliability, try watching Federer.

There was a time Roddick had the best serve ever, nowadays he is not even in the first tier. Federer, Djokovic,Raonic, Karlovic all have better serves

NashaMasha
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:54 PM
You probably don't know much about tennis, try searching his first serve percentage and comparing it to 5 or 7 years ago. A good serve is not only about speed, but placement and Second serve reliability, try watching Federer.

There was a time Roddick had the best serve ever, nowadays he is not even in the first tier. Federer, Djokovic,Raonic, Karlovic all have better serves

probaly you weren't watching Roddick in first 3 rounds this year....... And from your list Raonic is better, because younger.

Barktra
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:56 PM
:rolleyes:

Roookie
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:56 PM
The good people keep retiring while the shady ones won't go away.

dangalak
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:58 PM
No, it's just that his BH got worse over the years and from that side he can't do anything so he just gets the ball back. But even so he tries to smash BH DTL often. You should watch more tennis live and cut on reading what a bunch of guys behind computers write on the internet. Trust me.

:help:

His BH improved tremedously. His serve and FH declined as did his movement in the later years though.

124-127 mph average first serve and 141 mph top speed at this US OPen - much inferiour serve?

:lol::lol::tape:


only her BH is better , Roddick wasn't winning his matches only with serve , it was just one of his weapons... The same as Serena

I like to defend the ATP as much as the next guy but :spit: She is better at everything than him currently. In their primes, Serena was a MUCH better mover, MUCH better BH, MUCH better return, clearly better volleying and slightly better serve and FH.

I never meant to say Roddick has no skills. Kim could have more grand slams herself if weren't for serena and justine :shrug: Both Roddick and Kim played in an era of goats

I won't miss roddick because of amercian media

Roddick got shafted way harder. It's more like comparable how Benus coulda had 10 singles majors if not for Serena. He was like 32-3 on grass from 2003 to 2005. GUess who his 3 losses were to. :lol:

Again, barring tremendously bad luck (which he had) he win 4 majors, if he is lucky, more.

I can't quite say the same for Clijsters. Her losses were more her own fault. (choking) Roddick was much tougher mentally.

zigga
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:00 PM
Both equally.

justineheninfan
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:03 PM
I respect Roddick for his fighting spirit and consistency over so many years but he was essentialy a one trick pony with an annoyingly bad attitude. Kim easily. Aside from her uber annoying fans on this forum, she wasnt that bad, and is definitely one of the best players of her generation.

justineheninfan
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:04 PM
So does Roddick. What's your point? :confused:

Maybe relative to a qualifier.

justineheninfan
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:08 PM
Roddick got shafted way harder. It's more like comparable how Benus coulda had 10 singles majors if not for Serena. He was like 32-3 on grass from 2003 to 2005. GUess who his 3 losses were to. :lol:

Again, barring tremendously bad luck (which he had) he win 4 majors, if he is lucky, more.

I can't quite say the same for Clijsters. Her losses were more her own fault. (choking) Roddick was much tougher mentally.

If you take away Henin (more Kim's biggest personal rival than Serena by far) then Clijsters probably wins about 8 or 9 majors. Take away Federer and Roddick wins 4 or 5. So even playing that game Kim is way ahead. Roddick excelled mostly in an era other than Federer there was nobody that good. Hewitt was on decline and Nadal was a baby (who still overtook Roddick in the rankings at only 18), while Agassi was 35, and Djokovic and Murray practically non existing if they werent playing juniros at that point. The WTA which Kim faced in her early career was far deeper, the second field she won most of her slams against was essentialy the WTA equivalent as Roddick faced in his peak years and still won only 1 slam. As for Roddick not choking he blew numerous chances in the 2004 Wimbledon, 2006 U.S Open, and most of all 2009 Wimbledon finals vs Federer. Not choking ever, what was that volley in the 2nd set tiebreak of Wimbledon 2009. :lol:

Barktra
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:09 PM
If you take away Henin (more Kim's biggest personal rival than Serena by far) then Clijsters probably wins about 8 or 9 majors. Take away Federer and Roddick wins 4 or 5. So even playing that game Kim is way ahead. Roddick excelled mostly in an era other than Federer there was nobody that good. Hewitt was on decline and Nadal was a baby (who still overtook Roddick in the rankings at only 18). The WTA which Kim faced in her early career was far deeper, the second field she won most of her slams against was essentialy the WTA equivalent as Roddick faced in his peak years and still won only 1 slam. As for Roddick not choking he blew numerous chances in the 2004 Wimbledon, 2006 U.S Open, and most of all 2009 Wimbledon finals vs Pete. not choking ever, what was that volley in the 2nd set tiebreak of Wimbledon 2009. :lol:

This :worship:

dangalak
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:09 PM
Maybe relative to a qualifier.

His passing shots are better than most ATP guys and better than most WTA people for that matter. His slice in itself is good too. His forehand at his best is Soderling like.

Watch his matches against Federer in the Rogers cup 03 and 04. Watch his match aganst him in Wimbledon 04. Or his match against Safin in the TMC 04 :eek: Some soulfucking groundstrokes.

winone23
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:09 PM
Andy

BlueTrees
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:10 PM
Kim was the nicer person...Roddick is the hotter person and also had the better looking partner. :oh:

justineheninfan
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:12 PM
His passing shots are better than most ATP guys and better than most WTA people for that matter. His slice in itself is good too. His forehand at his best is Soderling like.

Watch his matches against Federer in the Rogers cup 03 and 04. Watch his match aganst him in Wimbledon 04. Or his match against Safin in the TMC 04 :eek: Some soulfucking groundstrokes.

Yeah he had a great forehand when he actually hit it, which was like 5% of his career. Most of the time he was happy with a loopy thing that hit 2 or 3 forehand winners per match. As for the passing shots comment :lol:, not that you could tell since nobody on the ATP these days comes to the net anyway, even less than the WTA.

dangalak
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:19 PM
If you take away Henin (more Kim's biggest personal rival than Serena by far) then Clijsters probably wins about 8 or 9 majors. Take away Federer and Roddick wins 4 or 5. So even playing that game Kim is way ahead. Roddick excelled mostly in an era other than Federer there was nobody that good. Hewitt was on decline and Nadal was a baby (who still overtook Roddick in the rankings at only 18), while Agassi was 35, and Djokovic and Murray practically non existing if they werent playing juniros at that point. The WTA which Kim faced in her early career was far deeper, the second field she won most of her slams against was essentialy the WTA equivalent as Roddick faced in his peak years and still won only 1 slam. As for Roddick not choking he blew numerous chances in the 2004 Wimbledon, 2006 U.S Open, and most of all 2009 Wimbledon finals vs Federer. Not choking ever, what was that volley in the 2nd set tiebreak of Wimbledon 2009. :lol:

1. I didn't say Roddick never choked, I said he was way tougher than Kimmy mentally and he was. Kim choked away SEVERAL slams, which is why "she lost to Henin often" isn't a good argument. It was her own fault.

2. The field around 2003-2004 being weak is one of the biggest myths in all of tennis. Look at the top 15 around 2004. It was full of quolaity. Not like current tennis where Monaco, Tipsy, Almagro can actually reach the top 10 where a completely washed up Hewitt can push Djesus repeatedly.

Bottomline is, I was trying to show how "HE ONLY WON ONE SLAM" is a weak argument. Maybe Kim coulda won more but it wasn't because if her stiff competition, it was because of her choking ways. Venus is a better example.

If Kim lost to the likes of Serena, Graf it would actually make sense.

grs
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:21 PM
I don't know about me but I am sure that Federer will miss very much Roddick :)

dangalak
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:25 PM
Yeah he had a great forehand when he actually hit it, which was like 5% of his career. Most of the time he was happy with a loopy thing that hit 2 or 3 forehand winners per match. As for the passing shots comment :lol:, not that you could tell since nobody on the ATP these days comes to the net anyway, even less than the WTA.

Not sure if serious. :lol:

He embarrassed Federer a couple of time when coming forward on decent approaches. Then there is the one against Djokovic in Dubai 08 where he fucking hooks it in like a banana as if he's Nadal. I was laughing my ass off for minutes after that impression.

justineheninfan
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:33 PM
1. I didn't say Roddick never choked, I said he was way tougher than Kimmy mentally and he was. Kim choked away SEVERAL slams, which is why "she lost to Henin often" isn't a good argument. It was her own fault.

Yeah it had nothing to do with the fact Justine was a better player than Kim on both clay and grass, and a better player than Kim in general at her peak periods she had all her slam wins over Kim from 2003-early 2004 and 2006-2007.

Bottomline is, I was trying to show how "HE ONLY WON ONE SLAM" is a weak argument.

LOL no it isnt 4 > 1 is a pretty simple and straightforward argument, not to mention 3 YEC titles vs 0. Competition and all other excuses only comes into play when you are actually in the same ballpark as someone else.

Maybe Kim coulda won more but it wasn't because if her stiff competition, it was because of her choking ways.

Yeah like losing to Venus, Serena, or Justine in 5 straight slams from 2003-early 2004, and losing in slams only to Davenport, Sharapova, Henin, and Mauresmo from 2005-2007. Would be better losing to Schuettler and Sargisian in slams in your best year ever, or losing at the French Open to a complete nobody every year even in your "prime".

Sammo
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:33 PM
Andy, he's a favourite of mine

pierce85
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:40 PM
1. I didn't say Roddick never choked, I said he was way tougher than Kimmy mentally and he was. Kim choked away SEVERAL slams, which is why "she lost to Henin often" isn't a good argument. It was her own fault.

2. The field around 2003-2004 being weak is one of the biggest myths in all of tennis. Look at the top 15 around 2004. It was full of quolaity. Not like current tennis where Monaco, Tipsy, Almagro can actually reach the top 10 where a completely washed up Hewitt can push Djesus repeatedly.

Bottomline is, I was trying to show how "HE ONLY WON ONE SLAM" is a weak argument. Maybe Kim coulda won more but it wasn't because if her stiff competition, it was because of her choking ways. Venus is a better example.

If Kim lost to the likes of Serena, Graf it would actually make sense.

Can you understand what he wrote? :rolleyes: Kim would have won 8-9 slams if it weren't for Justine and no she didn't choke in those encounters, check the scores again

Slampova
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:44 PM
Andy

dangalak
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:47 PM
Yeah it had nothing to do with the fact Justine was a better player than Kim on both clay and grass, and a better player than Kim in general at her peak periods she had all her slam wins over Kim from 2003-early 2004 and 2006-2007.

Didn't she lose to Henin whose came back from having IV fluids or something at USO 03? Having a choke at AO 04. Getting obliterated at FO 03 even though she at least won a match at RG against Henin.

Henin wasn't nearly as much of an insurmountable obstacle as Federer was IMO. Fed is considered the GOAT and a hprrible matchup for him.

LOL no it isnt 4 > 1 is a pretty simple and straightforward argument, not to mention 3 YEC titles vs 0. Competition and all other excuses only comes into play when you are actually in the same ballpark as someone else.

I feel this discussion has switched to "who is the greater player" which it wasn't meant to be. People brought up his bad luck cuz people almost exclusively focused on his 1 slam wonder ways.

Yeah like losing to Venus, Serena, or Justine in 5 straight slams from 2003-early 2004, and losing in slams only to Davenport, Sharapova, Henin, and Mauresmo from 2005-2007. Would be better losing to Schuettler and Sargisian in slams in your best year ever, or losing at the French Open to a complete nobody every year even in your "prime".

Do you seriously believe that all of those opponents are GOAT candidates or her h2h masters such as Federer was?

Also whats with the "prime". Why the quotation marks?

Raiden
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:47 PM
Roddick is a one slam poodle who was able to sneak that lone major curtsey of Juan Craplos Ferrero, whereas Kim had to beat not only the likes of beloved Masha, but also the hardest hitters in the entire history of women's tennis: Peak Pierce, Venus AND Serena (the last two both at once, arguably the most difficult route towards winning a slam). Fixed.

Now as punishment for that blatant "selective" scam you tried to pull, I'll punish you w/ the following (for now just once & in small size)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-m1dSH0n7tOA/UEPhcCLj4wI/AAAAAAAAH6E/htKSfwlmg7Y/s100/pova-olympics.png

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:50 PM
Andy for sure. didn't miss Kim the first go around and will even less so this time.

gc-spurs
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:51 PM
Andy. The dude provided an incredible fan experience. Always did what he could to make sure the fans had a good time if they watched him practice, always made sure to sign a lot of autographs to thank the folks who watched him train in the scorching heat.

Towanda
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:51 PM
Kim definitely. Roddick is a dick, and I'll be really happy to not have to see him acting like such an asshole.

dangalak
Sep 2nd, 2012, 11:00 PM
Fixed.

Now as punishment for that blatant "selective" scam you tried to pull, I'll post the following pic (for now just once & in small size)


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-m1dSH0n7tOA/UEPhcCLj4wI/AAAAAAAAH6E/htKSfwlmg7Y/s100/pova-olympics.png

What is she even doing there? :confused:

You hateful POS. :lol:

Also how is that selective? JCF was a brilliant opponent at that time, God knows what he coulda achieved if he kept it up.

He is certainly better than Zvonareva, Li Na and Wozniacki. :lol:

If you were smart, you would point to his joke of a win over Nalbandian, but I digress.

What good luck he had there, was immediately extinguished by the bad luck he had later on.

Who else was gonna stop him at W 04, 09, USO 06. Or W 03, AO 07. Decent chance at USO 07...

Andy for sure. didn't miss Kim the first go around and will even less so this time.

Lol at "vile racist" mashabators. :lol: Stop being an oversensitive prick you asshole. It's a joke. If thats what "racism" is then, everybody should be "racist".

Philip
Sep 2nd, 2012, 11:01 PM
Both :sobbing: :sobbing: :sobbing:
I started seriously watching tennis somewhere between 1999. - 2001. and that's when they were THE players to watch. Now, everyone is retiring year after year. I'm getting old :awww:

This. :sad:

LightWarrior
Sep 2nd, 2012, 11:09 PM
I won't miss them because tennis goes on without them, in fact I don't remember missing a favourite who retired. But a tennis champion like those two bowing out is always sad. I found myself getting a bit emotional today during Roddick's on court speech after his win, same with Clijsters the other day.

FoxyliciousKhat
Sep 2nd, 2012, 11:16 PM
Where is the "FREAKING NONE" option?

I don't like fakes or pricks.

Foxy

it-girl
Sep 2nd, 2012, 11:17 PM
Neither.

I'll grant you that it's definitely "an end of an era" because for me personally I started watching tennis during the 2003 US Open which both of these players excelled in. That said, to put it mildly, I never cared for either one of them.This.

Imperfect Angel
Sep 2nd, 2012, 11:18 PM
Andy.:lol:

I do thank Kim's service for saving WTA tour, preventing Wozniacki and Zvonareva to win slams.:spit:

dangalak
Sep 2nd, 2012, 11:20 PM
Andy.:lol:

I do thank Kim's service for saving WTA tour, preventing Wozniacki and Zvonareva to win slams.:spit:

Implying that Serena and Venus respectively wouldn't have embarrassed them. :lol:

JRena
Sep 2nd, 2012, 11:23 PM
Andy Roddick, Kim's already been retired.

Marty-Dom
Sep 3rd, 2012, 12:53 AM
Andy is much more popular among general ATP fans than Kim ever was among general WTA fans. He has a very charismatic personality, is funny and witty. Kim in her interviews was always very plain and generic. Yes, she has warm personality when met in person, but that never really translated well to her public image.
Even when Federer and Nadal were winning all the titles, Roddick's apparel was the best seller. He always had a very strong following outside of the USA.
I will miss Andy more, because he always brought genuine charisma to the game that can get a bit dull week in, week out.

Olórin
Sep 3rd, 2012, 12:55 AM
Kim more because she had a complete game, could actually rally and stuff....will miss both because they have been huge presences in men's and women's tennis over the past 10 years. Both should be quite satisfied with their careers.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Sep 3rd, 2012, 12:55 AM
I will miss Andy more. I am used to Clijsters retiring.

Djezonfly
Sep 3rd, 2012, 12:56 AM
I'll miss Andy's cute little butt.

As for Kim, I feel like she's been retired for a few months already.

carling
Sep 3rd, 2012, 12:58 AM
Neither. Bitches, be gone.

Pops Maellard
Sep 3rd, 2012, 12:59 AM
Look at my av and sig :angel:.

Julian.
Sep 3rd, 2012, 01:02 AM
Andy Roddick :awww:

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 3rd, 2012, 01:05 AM
Andy Roddick :awww:

:hug: :awww:

Julian.
Sep 3rd, 2012, 01:15 AM
:hug: :awww:

Now I only have Sharapova left :awww::sobbing:

Loungy
Sep 3rd, 2012, 01:43 AM
Kimmeh, not even a contest.

I like Roddick just fine, but I'm glad he played in the Roger era and never became a multiple Slam winner.

Uranium
Sep 3rd, 2012, 01:59 AM
That is a such a hard question considering the fact that I hate both. I liked Kim's game pre-comeback, so I'll vote for her. Roddick is a douche, so good riddance.

justineheninfan
Sep 3rd, 2012, 01:43 PM
Didn't she lose to Henin whose came back from having IV fluids or something at USO 03? Having a choke at AO 04. Getting obliterated at FO 03 even though she at least won a match at RG against Henin.

Henin wasn't nearly as much of an insurmountable obstacle as Federer was IMO. Fed is considered the GOAT and a hprrible matchup for him.

LOL your memory is obviously skewed. It was Henin who was choking in the 2004 AO final, not Clijsters, blowing a 6-3, 4-2 lead, then a 4-0 3rd set lead. Yes Clijsters did beat Henin once at the FO long before both of their primes in 2001, when Henin again had a huge choke of a 6-1, 4-2 lead and an easy open court shot for 2 breaks. Both in their primes Henin >>>> Clijsters on both clay (where she is too good) or grass (where Kim is too mediocre), everyone knows that. I will give you the U.S Open match, but everyone blows a match in a big way once in awhile. Roddick sure as heck has in his career, the Australian Open match vs a majorly gassed Hewitt where he choked big leads in each of the first 3 sets in 2005, when Federer had just lost.

As for all time greats Henin is considered a top 5 clay courter all time, and by many top 3, and is far and away the top clay courter of her era over Serena or anyone else you can think of, so that eliminates any idea she is an easier opponent than Serena on this particular surface. That should also eliminate all discussion of clay court meetings especialy when Kim isnt even a top 8 clay courter of her era. Kim is a hard court/indoor specialist, the same way Roddick is a fast hard court/grass specialist, the only difference Kim achieved way more on her surfaces than Roddick on his, and was still respectably good on her biggest non surfaces (clay and grass) compared to Roddick on his (clay, indoors/carpet).


I feel this discussion has switched to "who is the greater player" which it wasn't meant to be. People brought up his bad luck cuz people almost exclusively focused on his 1 slam wonder ways.

Fair enough. I agree it doesnt have to be just about who is the better player. However from my perspective Kim was a choker in her early career a bit but she improved her game over the years (unlike Roddick who only got worse after age 21), overcame her choking demons as time went on (unlike Roddick who became more of a headcase as time went on), and came back from motherhood to even greater success. Yeah she capatilized on a weak WTA, so what, good for her for taking her opportunities rather than wasting them. Roddick took his chance to win his only slam and be year end #1 in 2003 when Safin was out all year injured, Hewitt had dropped to #17 in a major slump before coming back to form next year, before Federer became Federer, when Haas was out almost all year injured, after Rafter and almost all Sampras era player minus a now 33 year old Agassi had recently retired, and before Nadal and others had even emerged. I dont hold that against him though, good for him, take your chances when they come.


Do you seriously believe that all of those opponents are GOAT candidates or her h2h masters such as Federer was?

A deep field of great players is worth more than one possible GOAT. Part of the reason Federer is considered by many the GOAT today is the relatively weak era he peaked in and dominated too, which unlegendary opponents like Roddick as his biggest foes. Had he faced Djokovic and Nadal in their primes for more years, or had Agassi and Sampras been a bit younger, I doubt he would have had as easy a ride as he had.

Joana
Sep 3rd, 2012, 01:45 PM
Andy's ass >>>> Kim's everything. No contest there.

goldenlox
Sep 3rd, 2012, 01:51 PM
Kim seems finished this year, nothing like her USO 2010, YEC, AO 2011 form.
If Kim was in that form, you definately want her on tour.

Roddick isnt as good as the best of his generation, but he seems in his usual form and I expect him to play a good match Tuesday night, maybe get to Nole in the quarters. That'll be a good match too, no matter who Nole plays
He's retiring because he knows there are better players than him. Kim on form might be best hardcourt player of her whole generation(or close to it). But she's way off form this year. Cant stay healthy

Chris 84
Sep 3rd, 2012, 03:01 PM
i like kim and dislike andy, so the answer is obvious.

however, i'm surprised at some of the comments about roddick. sure, maybe he was really nice and good to his fans, as some people have been saying. but on-court, he often behaved like a total ass, and whilst tastes differ, his game did absolutely nothing for me. without that serve he'd never have been near the top 20. good riddance, as far as i'm concerned.

Valanga
Sep 3rd, 2012, 03:03 PM
Why anyone would miss Rodick is beyond me. :lol:

This.

Trickle
Sep 3rd, 2012, 04:52 PM
Both :sobbing: :sobbing: :sobbing:
I started seriously watching tennis somewhere between 1999. - 2001. and that's when they were THE players to watch. Now, everyone is retiring year after year. I'm getting old :awww:

I hold very similar sentiments.

I will miss both. They both hold sentimental value to me. I think a lot of people are undervaluing Andy's achievements. He reached 5 slam finals and 11 semi finals in a difficult era.

Landon92
Sep 3rd, 2012, 07:29 PM
Look at my av and sig. :angel:

It sums up pretty much everything for me.

I used to really like Clijsters and her game in her first and second career, I liked her personality as well, but that Andy's ass is the end of any discussion for me.

Thirty All
Sep 3rd, 2012, 07:34 PM
Andy.

Marlene
Sep 3rd, 2012, 07:43 PM
As for Kim, I feel like she's been retired for a few months year already.

Same here.

Tweety Snape
Sep 3rd, 2012, 07:49 PM
Andy, I got into tennis too late to really know Kim, and living in 'merica, I always heard about Andy in the media. I'll miss Kim too, she was a really great player and person from what I could tell. :sad:

Maria rocks
Sep 3rd, 2012, 08:14 PM
Kim definately. I actually shed a tear when she lost that mixed doubles match Saturday night. Fantastic person and fantastic tennis player. Miss her already.

Will miss Andy Roddick too but the dream is still on for him in this tournament at the moment.

cn ireland
Sep 3rd, 2012, 08:32 PM
Kim

pov
Sep 3rd, 2012, 08:38 PM
I enjoyed them both but I'll "miss" Clijsters more. Much more.

Julian.
Sep 6th, 2012, 11:23 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/217812_10151219626593615_2015692602_n.jpg
NEW YORK - AUGUST 29: Kim Clijsters of Belgium and Andy Roddick laugh together before accepting their awards for winning the US Open Series during the opening ceremony of the US Open at the USTA National Tennis Center in Flushing Meadows Corona Park on August 29, 2005 in the Flushing neighborhood of the Queens borough of New York City. (Photo by Nick Laham/Getty Images) 2005 Getty Images


:bigcry::hysteric:

LightWarrior
Sep 7th, 2012, 12:08 AM
Kim's exit was more gracious imo. Roddick's was too much of soap opera starting 2 games before match point.

gc-spurs
Sep 7th, 2012, 01:00 AM
Andy was so hot when he had hair.

JN
Sep 7th, 2012, 01:19 AM
I'll miss Kim... her outfits would remind me to pick up items at Walmart.

Herbert
Sep 7th, 2012, 01:55 AM
Didn't Clijsters retire from the game after the Australian Open this year?

Joking aside, I'll miss Andy more. Had the far better press conferences and while it was kind of prick-ish I guess, I enjoyed his on court tantrums. He wasn't a world beater anymore but he gave the game a character. Also think the american cared about the sports of tennis and always competing your hardest, always giving it your very best shot a lot more than Clijsters often did.

That's why you can give me a Sharapova over a lot of players any time. She might be heavily outplayed, outhit and outserved in specific matchups these days, but in general she's the fiercest competitor on the tour. Serena can be even more fierce, which is awesome to see, but not on a regular basis.

Brad[le]y.
Sep 7th, 2012, 02:09 AM
Kim was a joy to watch for me; her athletic talent was insane. We don't get players like her every day.

The ATP has enough servebots.

Julian.
Sep 7th, 2012, 02:14 AM
Didn't Clijsters retire from the game after the Australian Open this year?

Joking aside, I'll miss Andy more. Had the far better press conferences and while it was kind of prick-ish I guess, I enjoyed his on court tantrums. He wasn't a world beater anymore but he gave the game a character. Also think the american cared about the sports of tennis and always competing your hardest, always giving it your very best shot a lot more than Clijsters often did.

That's why you can give me a Sharapova over a lot of players any time. She might be heavily outplayed, outhit and outserved in specific matchups these days, but in general she's the fiercest competitor on the tour. Serena can be even more fierce, which is awesome to see, but not on a regular basis.

:yeah:

thegreendestiny
Sep 7th, 2012, 03:18 AM
Kim definitely. Kim was a real top player, a real threat to top players and a multiple slam champion. Apart from that, Kim also revolutionized tennis by introducing her ultra-defense style which other players are now doing. Andy Roddick prevailed during the weakest period of ATP. Apart from his one dimensional strong serve, he has nothing else to offer. :shrug:

mauresmofan
Sep 7th, 2012, 03:41 AM
Kim no question - Roddick was an asshole several times on court and unnecessarily so. He was very funny in press conferences I'll give him that but Kim was always loved and respected by fans, players and officials for good reason. A charming individual and a delight to watch. She'll be sadly missed and I wish her well. I'd be very surprised if she doesn't win the poll on the mens forum too.

mauresmofan
Sep 7th, 2012, 03:46 AM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9fo6kXBbL1qga4uzo8_500.jpg

:D Roddick is fun though he does make me laugh just watch the Hit for Haiti and other charity events, but then kim is hilarious as well her best moment was to wozniacki when she said I will shove this ball down your throat :tape: :lol:

No way her best moment by far is when she called Todd Woodbridge out on his text to Rennae Stubbs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfIbH7ssv5Q

Roddick had his moments but nothing funnier than this.

hankqq
Sep 7th, 2012, 04:00 AM
I was never a big fan of Clijsters, but I'll miss her presence because she was a top player and was part of some of the most entertaining matches of the last decade. I never liked Roddick's style of play or personality from the moment he first came on the scene :shrug:

sweetadri06
Sep 7th, 2012, 04:47 AM
Neither. I wasn't a fan of either player. I feel bad for their fans though.

Drake1980
Sep 7th, 2012, 08:08 AM
Kim

Viktymise
Sep 7th, 2012, 08:22 AM
Roddick had a horrible game and an even worse personality. Good fucking riddance.

AYUMI-GOAT
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:07 AM
A male-female poll on a women's tennis forum?

Of course Kim would dominate the poll, put it on MTF and see how that goes.

Miracle Worker
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:23 AM
A male-female poll on a women's tennis forum?

Of course Kim would dominate the poll, put it on MTF and see how that goes.

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7009/pollx.png

:wavey:

Dexter
Sep 7th, 2012, 11:22 AM
I must say I wont miss much either, but if absolutely had to chose, I would have chosen Roddick as at least he was entertaining off the court with his interviews and stupid things he would say sometimes. Kim always bored me to death.

Tennisation
Sep 7th, 2012, 11:53 AM
Let's just say I'm glad Roddick is out. I'm so tired of American broadcasting making such a big deal about his retirement by bringing him up like every 5 mins.

MrProdigy555
Sep 7th, 2012, 12:08 PM
Andy.

Chaosm21
Sep 7th, 2012, 12:16 PM
I'll miss Andy's cute little butt.

As for Kim, I feel like she's been retired for a few months already.

This, if you like her you miss her since the beginning of 2011...

Andy_
Sep 7th, 2012, 12:22 PM
I used to have a bit of a crush on Andy, when he started out - though the Andy in my username has nothing to do with him, as a matter of fact. I even met him in NY the first time I was there, and I've seen him play live on a few occasions. Over the years his role in my love for the game has diminished greatly, yet it feels kinda funny when I think that I won't be seeing him out there anymore.

However, I think saying goodbye to Kim will feel worse, and not just because she's such a lovely person, but because she's one of the few whom I could still enjoy watching on court. There are so few left on the tour... :help:

Raiden
Sep 7th, 2012, 12:43 PM
LMAO Andy has almost more total votes on TF than on MTF :lol:

That tells you all you need to know about his alleged/claimed/so called "popularity" (which is as real as imaginary pink unicorns).

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7009/pollx.png

Julian.
Sep 7th, 2012, 01:21 PM
LMAO Andy has almost more total votes on TF than on MTF :lol:

That tells you all you need to know about his alleged/claimed/so called "popularity" (which is as real & existing as imaginary pink unicorns).

:confused:

That actually just tells you that TF has more voters than MTF :spit: Look at thoe TOTAL number of votes cast in and compare it to here.

and that poll is closed at MTF so nobody can vote anymore.

Mary Cherry.
Sep 7th, 2012, 04:04 PM
Both :awww:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/217812_10151219626593615_2015692602_n.jpg

Roookie
Sep 7th, 2012, 04:12 PM
She's America's sweetheart. He's American tennis biggest star. Wish them the best.

Juju Nostalgique
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:29 PM
None. Annoying couple of personalities... :shrug:

Lulu.
Sep 7th, 2012, 11:05 PM
Andy.

Oizo
Sep 10th, 2012, 07:32 PM
Both :sobbing: :sobbing: :sobbing:
I started seriously watching tennis somewhere between 1999. - 2001. and that's when they were THE players to watch. Now, everyone is retiring year after year. I'm getting old :awww:

Same for me :sad: