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polly
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:54 PM
Ireland never had a WTA event, would love to have one here. But the big question is when? Countries like Uzbekistan can afford it???

FORZA SARITA
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:57 PM
even uzbekistan has some decent players while Ireland :scratch:

polly
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:59 PM
I know yea, how much does it actually cost to run a wta event

Wert.
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:33 PM
Yeah actually.


I saw there are some good grass courts in Dublin. Would be nice. :D

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:36 PM
First Ireland should host some 10k. Is there even one in the calendar? :lol:

#1SteffiGraf#1
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:37 PM
Be interesting to add another week of warm up for Wimbledon. Ireland has some grass courts.

Slampova
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:40 PM
Yeah a tourney around the grass court season would be :drool:

KournikovaFan91
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:44 PM
I believe the Irish Open was a WTA event in the early 1970s. At the start of the tour. The Irish Open is the world's second oldest tennis tournament and is now solely a men's event on the ITF circut :help:

Last 10k in Ireland was back in 2005. I think it was a 25k in the early 00s.

During the boom I feel tennis Ireland didn't take advantage of the extra money rolling around I mean Ireland hosted other shit over those years but never a ATP/WTA event.

I'd actually prefer a clay event during the clay season so that Ireland would actually build some clay courts :lol: So many ITFs are on clay that Ireland's lack of clay courts can hinder the players when playing the ITF circut.

I mean we'll always have Mabel Cahill, Joshua Pim, James Cecil Parke and Willoughby Hamilton. :lol:

Linguae^
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:46 PM
Serbia crying. :sad:

MaBaker
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:48 PM
The winner gets Rory?

Linguae^
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:49 PM
The winner gets Rory?MclRoy? Would it be another Wozniacki Slam? :o

polly
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:54 PM
i will email the irish sports minister and see what he says!!!

KournikovaFan91
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:55 PM
Did any Irish people here attend the Collins Cup exhibition back in 2002. Remember seeing Venus, Serena, Lindsay, Monica, Hantuchova, Bovina (I think), Schett and Majoli.

For some reason Kournikova only played singles at that event :confused: Bovina replaced Dokic.

It was a good event but really the stands were maybe 55%-65% full. I dunno how many people in Ireland would attend say an ATP 250 or WTA International event. I feel attendances would be more like Baku than Portoroz. :sad:

polly
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:56 PM
and how much does it costs to run a $10,000 dollar event at least?

Tenis Srbija
Sep 1st, 2012, 08:01 PM
and how much does it costs to run a $10,000 dollar event at least?

They say it's prize money times two.

polly
Sep 1st, 2012, 08:16 PM
Did any Irish people here attend the Collins Cup exhibition back in 2002. Remember seeing Venus, Serena, Lindsay, Monica, Hantuchova, Bovina (I think), Schett and Majoli.

For some reason Kournikova only played singles at that event :confused: Bovina replaced Dokic.

It was a good event but really the stands were maybe 55%-65% full. I dunno how many people in Ireland would attend say an ATP 250 or WTA International event. I feel attendances would be more like Baku than Portoroz. :sad:

yea remember when that event took place, didnt actually go to see it, but the guys that were organising the event went bankrupt, apparently the players who took part never got paid

jbeacinu
Sep 1st, 2012, 08:40 PM
Yes, they should add another grass court tournament before Wimbledon. It seems only fair for people who are better at grass since there are so many other tournaments played on clay and hard court.

Viktymise
Sep 1st, 2012, 08:44 PM
The Collins Cup was organised by some entrepreneurial loon, who didn't have a blues clues of how to organise a tennis event. It was dreadfully marketed, and had no official sponsors whatsoever.

The players who took part definitely got paid. Ludicrous to think that they weren't and that they would have been so silent about it. Word was they were all paid a pretty penny, while the big shots who invested time and money into the event that got short changed at the end of it all.

Anyway, there's definitely not enough interest in tennis in Ireland to warrant any sort of tour level WTA event. Not to mention that Ireland is more broke than a Spanish street hooker.

I will say though that there could easily be a big exo that would sell out if it had V&S + Sharapova committed. I attended the final day of the Collins Cup and the sisters packed the stadium and received a huge reception when they came out. Everybody cheered against them throughout their matches, but it was obvious that everybody had come to see them.

Cat in the hat
Sep 1st, 2012, 08:57 PM
I've often wondered who owns tour events and if any money is made from these tournamnents.
I know that the grand slams make a profit obviously but does anyone remember the insinuation that the aus open was going to be moved to asia? Who would decide that? The itf?
I think Indian wells is owned by a private individual, but what about the other tournaments? are they just run by the national federations?
I think there is a seniors event in belfast but I notice there is no futures level events in the north. Is that because the lta is ignoring them or are the six counties part of tennis ireland?

polly
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:07 PM
thats a good point about the lta ignoring events in the north, and rory mcilroy from northern ireland claims to be british

Viktymise
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:09 PM
Northern Ireland is part of Britain....

polly
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:09 PM
yes thats our point, why dont the lta invest into northern ireland

Tenis Srbija
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:11 PM
I've often wondered who owns tour events and if any money is made from these tournamnents.
I know that the grand slams make a profit obviously but does anyone remember the insinuation that the aus open was going to be moved to asia? Who would decide that? The itf?
I think Indian wells is owned by a private individual, but what about the other tournaments? are they just run by the national federations?
I think there is a seniors event in belfast but I notice there is no futures level events in the north. Is that because the lta is ignoring them or are the six counties part of tennis ireland?

They are owned by companies, businessmen, tennis associations...
Money goes to them. A lot of tournaments actually don't make money, but most do.

ShiftyFella
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:23 PM
I think Indian wells is owned by a private individual, but what about the other tournaments? are they just run by the national federations?

not really, it's all about who you can get onboard as promoters\sponsors, look at texas open and how it was put together. i'll bet you without huge Dallas market there would be no event

msharafan
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:24 PM
Northern Ireland is part of Britain....

Not in everybody's eyes ;-). But on a serious note id love if we had a tournament I think there would be plenty of people who would go.

Cat in the hat
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:25 PM
On checking the websites I think that tennis in ulster is part of tennis ireland but with a co.uk address?! hence that would be why they have no tournaments up there either.

Thanks tennis srbija, does Djokovic own that tournament in belgrade? If so is he making a profit on it? What about appearance fees? Do they still exist?

polly
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:26 PM
not really, it's all about who you can get onboard as promoters\sponsors, look at texas open and how it was put together. i'll bet you without huge Dallas market there would be no event

so are they are huge selection of promotors/sponsors in the texas area???

polly
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:27 PM
just wondering should we get in contact with some of Ireland's richest people and see would they run a WTA event

Tenis Srbija
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:36 PM
On checking the websites I think that tennis in ulster is part of tennis ireland but with a co.uk address?! hence that would be why they have no tournaments up there either.

Thanks tennis srbija, does Djokovic own that tournament in belgrade? If so is he making a profit on it? What about appearance fees? Do they still exist?

Yup, his family does. Well, they get around 1.000.000 euros every year from the state, city of Belgrade, public companies...+ the sponsors, so yeah, they are making profit, even though they are saying that they aren't.
Yup as well. Appearance fees do exist...everywhere. So does the selling of WC spots. Not so much on the ATP/WTA level, but there are cases.

polly
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:39 PM
a tennis club in belfast is www.windsortennis.co.uk

polly
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:41 PM
go to the website www.ulstertennis.co.uk and it should give you a list of clubs

Cat in the hat
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:46 PM
Polly, I think they'd be bankrupt by the time it would come to host the tournament! Look at Sean Quinn, the richest man in Ireland and now is broke.

So these appearance fees are legal then? If so seems very unfair on the lower ranked players. Didnt Andrea Paredes buy her WC into tournaments! She certainly didn't get one based on her play.

ShiftyFella
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:48 PM
so are they are huge selection of promotors/sponsors in the texas area???
Dallas area is huge and tasty market, so sponsors would definitely try to explore it, for local companies it's a great advertising platform also.

they're question of how big of event you wanna get and when to schedule it, texas open is in great place just before USO and for some players serving like alternative to New Haven, so if dublin open or whatever name it would be position correctly event can be successful

polly
Sep 1st, 2012, 10:02 PM
Polly, I think they'd be bankrupt by the time it would come to host the tournament! Look at Sean Quinn, the richest man in Ireland and now is broke.

So these appearance fees are legal then? If so seems very unfair on the lower ranked players. Didnt Andrea Paredes buy her WC into tournaments! She certainly didn't get one based on her play.

Who the hell is Andrea Paredes???? she isnt Irish

KournikovaFan91
Sep 1st, 2012, 10:10 PM
Regarding the Collins Cup. Kournikova donated her fee if she ever received it to charity. :hug: Others weren't so generous :rolleyes:

Tenis Srbija
Sep 1st, 2012, 10:36 PM
Polly, I think they'd be bankrupt by the time it would come to host the tournament! Look at Sean Quinn, the richest man in Ireland and now is broke.

So these appearance fees are legal then? If so seems very unfair on the lower ranked players. Didnt Andrea Paredes buy her WC into tournaments! She certainly didn't get one based on her play.

Why wouldn't they be legal :shrug: You pay some TOP player to come to your LOW tournament :shrug:
I dunno who she is, but WC are divided base on nationality, family-friend tie with the tournament organizer, sometimes talent, sometimes 'cause you're in IMG and sometimes 'cause you pay for it. On 10k tournaments WC costs from 500-1000 dollars...for example :lol:

KournikovaFan91
Sep 1st, 2012, 10:37 PM
The ITF/WTA used to ban appearance fees I think, but it may be lifted now, I reckon it is at the WTA level but perhaps not at ITF. :shrug:

Tenis Srbija
Sep 1st, 2012, 10:40 PM
They can ban whatever they want, but no one can stop a rich guy from giving money to anyone :shrug: There is always a way :lol:
No, it's just for WTA...I doubt any ITF ever payed appearance fee...

polly
Sep 1st, 2012, 10:49 PM
i think kim clijster's sister elke used to get alot of wildcards, just wondering did she pay to get wildcards?

Tipp
Sep 1st, 2012, 10:53 PM
I remember reading an article a few years back where the parents of a Northern girl were complaining about the LTA, apparently they basically offer no support to Northern Irish tennis, so it ends up getting rolled in with Tennis Ireland which has far worse funding and facilities available.

A WTA event might have been feasible back in the boom years as some millionaire's vanity project but no chance of it now. I honestly think tennis is getting even worse here - Wimbledon doesn't seem to generate as much hype and media attention as it used to and the one crop of semi-promising players we had for a while (Bowtell/Barry/Morrisey) don't seem to be amounting to anything with basically nobody else coming along behind them.

KournikovaFan91
Sep 1st, 2012, 10:56 PM
Tennis like most sports (excl. soccer) is organised on the island level.

Those parents should send the kid to Barcelona, Paris or Florida if she has any potential. Not just moan about it. :rolleyes: They knew how Tennis Ireland was constructed from the start.

Or they could just move to the UK, that useless Claire Curran did :lol: Like GB wanted her crappy ability.

Cat in the hat
Sep 1st, 2012, 11:09 PM
Yes irish tennis is struggling atm, no one breaking through and no sign of anyone new to follow. I looked at the results in the g5 junior events in ireland and there wasnt even anyone who could win at that level.
Anyone read james mcgee's blog? He says that if we had some more tournaments we might have some more players. One futures event per year is very poor indeed

KournikovaFan91
Sep 1st, 2012, 11:13 PM
Firstly on some level players need to take responsibility for themselves, no major players are heavily reliant on the national body, look at Wozniacki, she is only at the top because of herself and her father. Danish tennis is pretty similar to Irish tennis, not strong or overly well funded. Badminton is much more popular in Denmark. Same with most players who come from non-powerhouse nations.

Secondly James McGee played college tennis didn't he? Then his career was over the minute he elected to do that. :shrug:

Finally Tennis Ireland needs to go see how the Irish Amateur Boxing Association is run (actually all Irish governing bodies do) and follow a similar model but a tennis based one.

polly
Sep 1st, 2012, 11:19 PM
so your saying that caroline wozniacki and her father had enough money to go on tour without even looking for sponsors??

Cat in the hat
Sep 1st, 2012, 11:21 PM
I think college tennis can actually be good for some players.They get to play tennis regularly and at a high level plus free coaching and education. Look at John Isner for example and Conor Niland had a great career after going to college.

KournikovaFan91
Sep 1st, 2012, 11:26 PM
You can have a reasonable career but realistically challengers for guys and the ITF for women is where you'll remain for your career. I mean for a female I think college tennis truly is the kiss of death to a career, whereas it isn't so damaging for men.

Also had he been playing the tour earlier rather than in college I wonder if Niland making slams would have happened earlier in his career. :shrug:

I remember Rachel Dillon had ok results and now disappeared off the face of the earth. I think she went to Stanford and popped up in qualies there one year as a WC.

Frankly I'd be happy if Ireland just had a couple of journey men and women, I'm not even looking for a slam winner. Really the only way I see that happening at the moment would be doing a Kazakhstan and basically buying the likes of Sirotkina and Rodionova Jnr. who are signed to an Irish management company. :shrug:

polly
Sep 1st, 2012, 11:36 PM
I think we would need to get after the richest people here in ireland like jp mcmanus, dermot desmond,etc to buy the likes of siritkina, rodionova, or even to sponsor tournaments

bowtell is only starting out, still 18 yrs of age, will be 19 in a few wks, so plenty of yrs left in her, nothing to worry about there! then we have sinead lohan, georgia drummy who got to the semi finals of the under 12's bressuire in april of this year and jennifer timotin who won an under 14 tennis europe event this summer

polly
Sep 1st, 2012, 11:37 PM
also just wondering if a group of us got a petition going for next year to get a womens professional tournament in ireland, even if it was only a €10,000 event

cn ireland
Sep 1st, 2012, 11:40 PM
I would love it, but I don't think tennis has enough of a following here to justify one:sad:

KournikovaFan91
Sep 1st, 2012, 11:56 PM
Just thinking about it Auckland has a tournament in a country the same size as Ireland with little tennis pedigree either. It does however have the advantage of being close to the first slam of the year in a rather remote area of the world. :shrug:

Adrian1092
Sep 2nd, 2012, 12:20 AM
Would love to see an Event run in Cork, not Dublin tbh. Doubt it will ever happen though cos In Cork they have no venue for a WTA event :sad:

Cat in the hat
Sep 2nd, 2012, 12:28 AM
I'm sure Maria Sharapova,Li Na and Jelena jankovic would much prefer to come to Ireland than Birmingham every year :)

polly
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:03 AM
if we get a $10,000 event next year, we would be lucky

Wojtek
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:04 AM
very stupid thread

Sweety Darling
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:04 AM
I know yea, how much does it actually cost to run a wta event

Ireland hasn't got a pot to piss in, let alone think of running sporting events.

polly
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:13 AM
hellooo we just held an american football match in dublin yesterday, with up to 50,000 americans in attendance, it will be worth up to €100million euro to the economy. we also have held ryder and solheim cups over the last few years

Material World
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:45 AM
The key thing is sponsorship - both to run a couple of tournaments and to fund player development, as a package. There's no reason why this shouldn't happen - there is money in Ireland - but unfortunately tied up in too few hands, and they seem to prefer golf and horse-racing as outlets for their corporate munificence from what I can see.

orka_irl
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:00 AM
Northern Ireland is part of Britain....Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom but not part of Britain. Britain is England, Wales and Scotland - hence the full title of "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". Rory McIlroy is Northern Irish and a citizen of the United Kingdom - he is not British.

Northern Ireland tennis does get a raw deal though - they are UK taxpayers but for tennis, they are part of Tennis Ireland and not the LTA - funding, training and wider opportunities (wild cards etc.) are just vastly different between the overfunded LTA and the underfunded Tennis Ireland.

-Sonic-
Sep 2nd, 2012, 10:07 AM
I went to the Collins Cup..... was WEIRD. Best part about that trip was the hotel.

Got to See Monica live though :) albeit briefly.

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 2nd, 2012, 12:09 PM
I hope when Wimbledon will be played one week later, then they can restore former Irish Open on grass in Dublin. Sounds great, didn't know there was such a tournament!

King Halep
Sep 2nd, 2012, 12:40 PM
let alone think of running sporting events.

Spain is bidding for olympic. All is possible :)

MLF
Sep 2nd, 2012, 12:47 PM
Rory McIlroy is Northern Irish and a citizen of the United Kingdom - he is not British.

Like me Rory would class himself as Northern Irish and British ;) We both travel on a passport issued by GBR if you check the photo page. :)

Sweety Darling
Sep 2nd, 2012, 01:33 PM
hellooo we just held an american football match in dublin yesterday, with up to 50,000 americans in attendance, it will be worth up to €100million euro to the economy. we also have held ryder and solheim cups over the last few years

So?

Anyway, Ireland should probably hold at least a few decent ITF events before thinking of a WTA event (which will hopefully be never).

GeeTee
Sep 2nd, 2012, 02:47 PM
Irish Open on grass was a very decent tournament for over 50 years - even without a local star. Be nice if it could happen again with extra week on grass in a coupla years.

MLF
Sep 2nd, 2012, 04:48 PM
There was an exhibition tournament in the RDS in the mid 90s which featured Navratilova, Sanchez Vicario and Mary Joe Fernandez. It was sold out every day and night so if they get good players people would go.

andrewC
Sep 2nd, 2012, 07:55 PM
Ireland never had a WTA event, would love to have one here. But the big question is when? Countries like Uzbekistan can afford it???

Uzbekistan has oil money. Didn't Ireland need an EU bailout? That's probably the answer

polly
Sep 2nd, 2012, 08:52 PM
mexico has a wta event,thought mexico was a very poor corrupt country, just dawned on me do drug barons sponsor the tournament

also thought thailand was very poor, and they host a wta event as well, so does morocco

KournikovaFan91
Sep 2nd, 2012, 08:59 PM
If big businesses don't sponsor things they don't happen, in Ireland any big businesses would rather sponsor golf and the like. Look at Caro's own Copenhagen, apparently it's not happening next year for lack of sponsors and thats in a country with a top WTA player.

Also say for example Ireland got a MM tournament and only one top tenner could play and that was Kerber or Stosur, do you really think many Irish people would show up. I mean most casual fans in Ireland know Maria, Venus, Serena and maybe Caro thanks to Rory. :shrug: I can't imagine Kerber, Stosur, Li as Number One seed getting casual fans out there.

Big exhibitions suit Ireland better than a tournament. If a tournament did happen it would be ATP not WTA I reckon.

I'd be happy if the Irish Open just became an ATP Challenger tbh and Dublin got a 25k for the girls :shrug:

*JR*
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:06 PM
The grass season is too short anyhow. Why not make it a week longer, and have an Irish Open B4 Wimbly? :scratch: The prize money isn't even the most important thing, the extra week of grass play is.

Qrystyna
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:07 PM
It looks like the last ITF event in Ireland was held in Dublin in 2004, and played on carpet...

http://www.wta96.com/wiki/ltourn.php?nr=1651

At least on the Top Spin tennis games for PS3/Xbox360, you get the "Dublin Open", which is a replacement for Wimbledon as the developers couldn't secure the rights to it. :p

Ciarán
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:13 PM
Like me Rory would class himself as Northern Irish and British ;) We both travel on a passport issued by GBR if you check the photo page. :)

Let's look at the facts. How many Protestants (who generally consider themselves British) do you know with a name like Rory/Ruaíri or McIlroy? That'll be 0. He most definitely considers himself Irish. He probably (like me, who considers myself Irish) has a British passport purely for convenience and to save discrimination in his local, largely Protestant hometown (when he was younger for nightclubs etc). If he ever opted to play under the British flag it would purely be for £££. As it is though, he currently plays under the Northern Irish flag I believe, which is purely diplomatic and a sign of respect to his no doubt plentiful Protestant friends and to drum up support from his hometown (which he would not have under an Irish flag), but still lacks the commitment/respect to play under a British flag, showing a clear indication of his religious up bringing and no doubt personal identity.

KournikovaFan91
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:16 PM
2005 there was also an ITF Dublin, Suzanne Van Hartingsveldt won it. In 2000 it was even a 25k.


Seems Rory is managing to derail this thread as well as all the others he makes an appearance in :tape: Wait till Rio 2016 then we will finally know Rory's intentions.

Qrystyna
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:22 PM
2005 there was also an ITF Dublin, Suzanne Van Hartingsveldt won it. In 2000 it was even a 25k.

Ooh yes, I missed that one:

http://www.wta96.com/wiki/ltourn.php?nr=2103

Anyway, don't feel too bad Irish fans, last year South Africa had 3 women's ITF events (including a $100K!) and this year we have 0... :o

KournikovaFan91
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:29 PM
Just saw Bacsinszky played 2003 Dublin, lost QFs. Only big-ish name I saw when scanning through results over the years.

Surprising South Africa have 0, they have quite the pedigree in tennis.:shrug:

msharafan
Sep 2nd, 2012, 11:15 PM
So?

Anyway, Ireland should probably hold at least a few decent ITF events before thinking of a WTA event (which will hopefully be never).

And why is that? Because you dont think so? There is plenty of people in Ireland that love tennis and would love a wta event to be held here. Your attitude is whats wrong with the world today. I am proud to be Irish which is a country that the people can look back with pride that we didn't try to invade every country and think themselves better than everyone else. That's not to mention we didn't let half a nation starve to death that we were ruling. :rolleyes:

jameshazza
Sep 2nd, 2012, 11:29 PM
If there was a half decent WTA grass event (obviously thinking 2015 onwards) around the Dublin area. So long as it had a half decent draw there would be big crowds.

V-MAC
Sep 3rd, 2012, 03:07 AM
Would love to see an Event run in Cork, not Dublin tbh. Doubt it will ever happen though cos In Cork they have no venue for a WTA event :sad:

Cork is a fabulous place:)