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olivero
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:48 PM
Nicely done Agnieszka :hearts: her defence was outstanding.
Repeating her best USO result.

Jelena :hug: heal that brain injury. Some of those overhead misses :hysteric:

saul1333
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:49 PM
Thank you Aga :hearts:

Vinci next round. Get revenge for R1!!

Simugna Help
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:49 PM
Waiting for stream of angry comments :hearts:

pedropt
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:49 PM
Jelena :weirdo:

Spring Pools
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:49 PM
The US Open favorite is out... :facepalm:

Libertango
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:49 PM
The losses don't even hurt anymore :sobbing:

:tape: @ that JJ's "air smash", followed by a :facepalm:

rrfnpump
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:49 PM
Before the match, I had some faith in Jankovic, but after seeing the first points, it was NID that she would lose. The MP summed up the whole match. Embarrassing.

This is a bad result for both JJ and the WTA tour. Jankovic should seriously consider retirement. I mean, how many times she failed (badly) to win the points with an easy sitter or overhead? It is just pathetic. And she does not seem to believe anymore that she can win longer rallies and outhit players with less firepower. She is a lame excuse of a player now.

Radwanska did nothing as always. I am really asking the Polish posters: Do you seriously enjoy what she is doing out there or you just cheer for her because she is your countrymate.

The crowd was absolutely bored by this pushfest and if they got involved, it was because Jankovic was taking initiative and did something. A world #2 who bores people to death and who makes every match of hers a snorefest, independently who she is playing against, is not good for promoting womens tennis. Vinci played beautifully today, but we all know Radwanska will bring her level down to hers and then push her into surrender.

Kasey
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:50 PM
Fucking love you Aga!
Kinda sad to me seeing the Empress losing as she's one of playes I cheer for, but obviously I wanted Aga to win more.

SUCK IT HATERS!!!!!!

Jon, this is dedicated to you! It seems you'll have to bear this "horrible person" winning yet again.

MaBaker
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:50 PM
Radwanska is disgusting

http://i47.tinypic.com/2v8pjjk.jpg

Cosmic Voices
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:50 PM
That mp :tape:
Nice to keep it competitive though Empress. Bitch doesn't go down without a fight :cheer:

flareon
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:50 PM
JJ :o it so hard to support you, stupid mistakes causing her to loose this if she kept the ball in she would of won.

Aga is not winning this I feel, yes very consistent today but then how do you improve after that, she will beat Vinci but the first person who bashes succesfully hard will beat her I think...

SoClose
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:50 PM
Poor Jeca :hug:
The Pusher needs to go away asap :o

Wintermute
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:50 PM
I'm glad Aga is through but it wasn't very convincing. Many many breaks if serve, some odd shot choices. But JJ is such a mental midget at times that she really helped Aga along - just couldn't hold a lead.

SilverSlam
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:50 PM
JJ :sobbing:

Gilas.
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:50 PM
Nice pushing and some winners here and there. Please don't flop to Vinci.
Jelena, I guess we all who have taken kindly to you should just accept that you will never be "baaaaccck!!" :awww:

NashaP
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:51 PM
There is only one lady on the wta and that is jaja :fiery:

Drake1980
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:51 PM
:bounce:

Sombrerero loco
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:51 PM
yeahhhh aga :woohoo:
not the best performance, served poorly, but so happy she won this quite easily though
well done
now please rest the shoulder
vs vinci in R4

Dexter
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:51 PM
Last games I saw were terrible by both, but I'm happy with the outcome. Good luck against Vinci! :yeah:

Patrick345
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:51 PM
:rolleyes:

What a shit performance by JJ. Played the wrong match and still had all the opportunities to win it only to fail miserably on at least 15-20 overheads and simple volleys. Why oh Why do players always try to hit through pushers with 5-6 hard low percentage baseline shots, when 2-3 topspins would result in a short ball back that you can put away with one shot.

GoLdEnSeToV
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:52 PM
Radwanska is disgusting

Janković as well:)

Yashal
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:52 PM
Jankovic, for once I was rooting for you :o
Useless as always, I see.

BTW, hope Berta will slay Aga as well, it may be even sweeter :oh:

FedererBulgaria
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:52 PM
Bad day for tennis...ugly display

flareon
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:52 PM
Before the match, I had some faith in Jankovic, but after seeing the first points, it was NID that she would lose. The MP summed up the whole match. Embarrassing.

This is a bad result for both JJ and the WTA tour. Jankovic should seriously consider retirement. I mean, how many times she failed (badly) to win the points with an easy sitter or overhead? It is just pathetic. And she does not seem to believe anymore that she can win longer rallies and outhit players with less firepower. She is a lame excuse of a player now.

Radwanska did nothing as always. I am really asking the Polish posters: Do you seriously enjoy what she is doing out there or you just cheer for her because she is your countrymate.

The crowd was absolutely bored by this pushfest and if they got involved, it was because Jankovic was taking initiative and did something. A world #2 who bores people to death and who makes every match of hers a snorefest, independently who she is playing against, is not good for promoting womens tennis. Vinci played beautifully today, but we all know Radwanska will bring her level down to hers and then push her into surrender.


You will probably be bad repped for this or told where to stick it but sadly its true, the crowd where quite quiet and radwanska did nothing.

Brad[le]y.
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:52 PM
NID :spit:

Jorn
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:52 PM
Well done og Tak Aga! :)

Golan
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:52 PM
Thank you Aga :hearts:

toxina90
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:52 PM
Empress effortlessly perfecting her fightback/folding technique :worship: :cheer:

Throw them both in the fire. What a disgusting match, and a disgrace to both fanbases.

saul1333
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:52 PM
http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg689/scaled.php?tn=0&server=689&filename=e8f0.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

Belmont Lad
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:53 PM
Not great play from Aga today, but it was enough to get the job done against the Empress.

Aga, crush Vinci next :armed: :hearts:

Empress.......... :awww:

Matej
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:53 PM
Well, Radwanska was quite beatable today but Jankovic simply lacks the necessary mental strength to do it. :)

And Jelenaīs volley skills are really dreadful.:o

domon17th
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:53 PM
JJ hit every ounce of her tennis brains out together with her mishits and shanks. God she really should've taken this to a 3rd set :facepalm:

Sombrerero loco
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:53 PM
Oh JaJa :tears:

Radwanska gets another free pass into R4 :yawn:

says the fan of azarenka :tape:

misty1
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:53 PM
go by a serve jelena:rolleyes:

MaBaker
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:53 PM
Janković as well:)
No, she is lovely. You and Radwanska are not.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:53 PM
The difference between JJ2008 and JJ2012 was very apparent in this match. At times she refused to hit her potent BH DTL and she overall seemed more tentative and unsure of herself than 2008.

marineblue
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:54 PM
JJ was the better player today when it comes to initiative. Had she been more consistent the match would be hers. Radwanska merely returned the ball back and waited for errors most of the time.

LoLex
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:54 PM
Lucky shots.

Kasey
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:54 PM
It's nice to have a fan, but could you stop being so obssesed to me? :happy:


You sound like Queenpova here.I see whom you look up to:drool:

Simugna Help
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:55 PM
You will properbly be bad repped for this or told where to stick it but sadly its true, the crowd where quite quiet and radwanska did nothing.

As if you weren't giving away bad reps after Kim's flop. :awww:

Sisyphus
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:55 PM
Jankovic, for once I was rooting for you :o
Useless as always, I see.

BTW, hope Berta will slay Aga as well, it may be even sweeter :oh:

LOL :lol:

Vinci is Aga's bitch.

GoLdEnSeToV
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:55 PM
No, she is lovely. You and Radwanska are not.

:eek: Horrible..I have to go to my psychologist now!!!!

Excelscior
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:55 PM
What a butcher of a volley on that last point, that could of gave Jankovic Deuce on Aga's serve.

And if you would of saw the look on Aga's face as Jankovic attempted that volley, you knew she didn't want this to go to a third set.

Oh well Jelena. too many breaks of your service and inopportune ground mistakes.

Aga was beatable.

rnwerner
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:56 PM
That was an extra bad match from both.

Craftless, no ideas, lots of errors, bad serve, no depth.
Some of Agnieszka's shots were so short that they became dangerous.

Disappointed.

Kon.
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:56 PM
JJ had her chances but hey it's JJ. :lol:
Shit match, the volley fails were the most interesting part probably.

flareon
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:56 PM
As if you weren't giving away bad reps after Kim's flop. :awww:

true but some aga fans do take a whole lot more personally for example Vspak who is been permabanned but Everytime I went into a post on Agas thread I got bad repped, and told to die :tape:

Bolbo
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:57 PM
Yes Yes Yes
What can i say now?

Tennis win !!

Andreas
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:57 PM
Radwanska is disgusting, terrible, ugly, etc.

I really hope she loses soon. She does not deserve to get this far. She always gets easy draws, though :lol: And now she has to play Vinci; yet another player who can't hit through her.

No, she is lovely. You and Radwanska are not.

This is true.

Gilas.
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:57 PM
Before the match, I had some faith in Jankovic, but after seeing the first points, it was NID that she would lose. The MP summed up the whole match. Embarrassing.

This is a bad result for both JJ and the WTA tour. Jankovic should seriously consider retirement. I mean, how many times she failed (badly) to win the points with an easy sitter or overhead? It is just pathetic. And she does not seem to believe anymore that she can win longer rallies and outhit players with less firepower. She is a lame excuse of a player now.

Radwanska did nothing as always. I am really asking the Polish posters: Do you seriously enjoy what she is doing out there or you just cheer for her because she is your countrymate.

The crowd was absolutely bored by this pushfest and if they got involved, it was because Jankovic was taking initiative and did something. A world #2 who bores people to death and who makes every match of hers a snorefest, independently who she is playing against, is not good for promoting womens tennis. Vinci played beautifully today, but we all know Radwanska will bring her level down to hers and then push her into surrender.

This is a naïve comment considering she has other fans like myself who are not Polish :o. And to answer your question, no her performance today is not enjoyable, but I find her game very enjoyable when she is playing well, like last year during the fall and during this year's first half.

But I guess that's what fandom is about: being irrational. Your fave player can play like shit one day or be in a slump and you just stick through it. If we are all rationals then there would be no tennis as spectatorship considering all players play bad some days, no? :shrug:

Golan
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:57 PM
Oh JaJa :tears:

Radwanska gets another free pass into R4 :yawn:

http://i.imgur.com/X4pSQ.png
and shut up... :rolleyes:

Kasey
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:58 PM
true but some aga fans do take a whole lot more personally for example who is been permabanned but Everytime I went into a post on Agas thread I got bad repped, and told to die :tape:

Kinda true:lol:

Golan
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:58 PM
Radwanska is disgusting, terrible, ugly, etc.

I really hope she loses soon. She does not deserve to get this far. She always gets easy draws, though :lol: And now she has to play Vinci; yet another player who can't hit through her.


This is true.

what a desperate people here :rolleyes:
Butthurt :drool:

treufreund
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:59 PM
This match went exactly as expected because Aga is way better at the net than Jelena. Also Aga can use her serve to set up points and hold her shots a bit longer to flatfoot Jelena. Jelena probably drives through the ball a bit more on average but lacks the finesse and variety and the footwork necessary to deal with Aga who sometimes attacks when under pressure and is always prepared to defend ruthlessly. Well done, Aga!!! :hearts: Hang in there, Jelena :hug:

Novichok
Sep 1st, 2012, 04:59 PM
Queen Aga. :hearts:

ElusiveChanteuse
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:00 PM
Aga :cheer:
JJ :shrug: See you winning Beijing/Tokyo then.:oh:

Sombrerero loco
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:01 PM
http://i.imgur.com/X4pSQ.png
and shut up... :rolleyes:

:haha: :haha:

GoLdEnSeToV
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:01 PM
I am sad..I know many people hate Radwanska but why me? I am playing tennis too but I am only amateur! Oh no!

Yashal
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:01 PM
LOL :lol:

Vinci is Aga's bitch.

So was Nadia for Kim before 2010 AO :hysteric:
I don't think Berta will win, but who knows, she's in form ;)

olivero
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:01 PM
Caro's and Zvonareva's fans talking how Aga's game is boring and based on pushing :rolleyes: and the same people who are also cheering for Azarenka say Aga has a cakewalk draw

this is too much

Linguae^
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:02 PM
To me, Jelena won, who cares about a shoulder fucking injury faker who took painkillers or maybe something even more.

reptar
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:02 PM
Jelena why can't you hold serve T_T

Nicolás89
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:03 PM
A world #2 who bores people to death and who makes every match of hers a snorefest, independently who she is playing against, is not good for promoting womens tennis.

Lol seriously? that's like your personal opinion, get over yourself. :wavey:
BTW I'm a fan & I'm not even european. :tape:

And to all the haters. :hug:

Simugna Help
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:03 PM
true but some aga fans do take a whole lot more personally for example Vspak who is been permabanned but Everytime I went into a post on Agas thread I got bad repped, and told to die :tape:
If it's any consolation I was giving him a bad rep as soon as I could after the last one. Probably got 10 or more from me.:lol:

Miracle Worker
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:03 PM
Current #2 is disgrace for women's tennis.

World #2 was horrible as always.

flareon
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:04 PM
If it's any consolation I was giving him a bad rep as soon as I could after the last one. Probably got 10 or more from me.:lol:

Well he kinda lost the plot insulting every single player on the WTA... :o

Jerem
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:04 PM
Radwanska did nothing as always. I am really asking the Polish posters: Do you seriously enjoy what she is doing out there or you just cheer for her because she is your countrymate.

Because the other posters don't count? Like many people, I really enjoy what I see in her matches :shrug: It's not full of winners (but at least it's not full of UE's, so it's still more enjoyable), but the rallies are often very good and Radwanska's ability to take control of the point even if she's in a bad position is outstanding.

Actually I saw a pretty good match between these two, not of very high quality but still enjoyable with some very good points.

Current #2 is disgrace for women's tennis.

World #2 was horrible as always.
So true, she wins too much and her game is actually liked by too many people who like tennis :rolleyes: :tape:

flareon
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:04 PM
Caro's and Zvonareva's fans talking how Aga's game is boring and based on pushing :rolleyes: and the same people who are also cheering for Azarenka say Aga has a cakewalk draw

this is too much

Zvonareva is not boring, her matches are always fiesty and she goes for her shots as well.

treufreund
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:06 PM
Also, please, Jelena learn how to hit some volleys and overheads. You were once #1 in the world and cannot hit these fundamental shots. That last forehand volley on MP could have been executed better by 90% of club level players. Truly unforgiveable to have those kinds of basic flaws in your game!!! I don't get the posters saying Aga does nothing. She had a smart game plan against Jelena. She knows that Jelena won't step in to put away short shots much so she plays her short and then backs her up from time to time with deep shots to draw the error. She also came into the net and won most of those points or drew Jelena in and, well, like I said, Jelena is useless at the net. I don't know why I am explaining this though because unless Aga hits the ball like a wild ballbashing banshee SOME of you won't see what she does well because you don't know how the game works.

Brad[le]y.
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:06 PM
Zvonareva is not boring, her matches are always fiesty and she goes for her shots as well.

I agree but he's right about Caro fans calling her boring

Gilas.
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:07 PM
Because the other posters don't count? Like many people, I really enjoy what I see in her matches :shrug: It's not full of winners (but at least it's not full of UE's, so it's still more enjoyable), but the rallies are often very good and Radwanska'a ability to take control of the point even if she's in a bad position is outstanding.

Actually I saw a pretty good match between these two, not of very high quality but still enjoyable with some very good points.


So true, she wins too much and her game is actually liked by too many people who like tennis :rolleyes:

This is precisely the point I made but haters would likely cover their ears than make a counterargument :lol: And a :yeah: for you.

SwingVolley93
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:08 PM
Neither player knew what they wanted to do, it was like a guessing game and seeing who would mess up first.
I'm unsure if Jaja still loves tennis or money, and thats the reason why she's still playing; she needs to retire :shrug:
Congrats Aga, please play your best against Vinci because she is killer right now :eek:

Oh and haters

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g247/kenity/tumblr_m9ogsduHID1ql5yr7o1_400.gif

treufreund
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:08 PM
Caro's and Zvonareva's fans talking how Aga's game is boring and based on pushing :rolleyes: and the same people who are also cheering for Azarenka say Aga has a cakewalk draw

this is too much


Vera cannot deal with Aga. Aga knows that Vera has no forehand whatsoever and also that Vera is a headcase and kind of one dimensional in her play. Caro is tougher but she is totally on hiatus and struggling and is NOT IMPROVING anything in her game and getting slower around the court. Aga is consistently and slowly building on her game. She is the steady Eddy in terms of adding to her repertoire of tactics and skills.

Miracle Worker
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:09 PM
So true, she wins too much and her game is actually liked by too many people who like tennis :rolleyes: :tape:

Honestly, did you enjoy this match?

Kasey
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:10 PM
Yeah right :lol: I don't really know, who you are and why are obssesed with me, but it's getting so annoying. :yawn: Get a life pls

Please, leave this thread because you're clearly not contributing to it.
Spreading hate all over your place is all you can do.

Please, go check his comments about Petkovic playing in New Heaven, like that Mariah's gif titled "Why so obsessed with me". You do seem to have a lot in common:o

Jerem
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:10 PM
Honestly, did you enjoy this match?
Yes.
Even with a few UE's.

Libertango
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:10 PM
The difference between JJ2008 and JJ2012 was very apparent in this match. At times she refused to hit her potent BH DTL and she overall seemed more tentative and unsure of herself than 2008.

Yup, pretty much. I don't think she for one second actually believed she could/would win today. It's so obvious her confidence has evaporated.

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:12 PM
Going through so much trouble :awww: Thank you :)

If drawing a red cross is a trouble for you, then you should just keep your fingers out of the keyboard.

treufreund
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:12 PM
Honestly, did you enjoy this match?

Yes I like watching players who know what shot to play when in tough positions on the court. Aga has shown in this match her willingness to grind and sometimes her willingness to take the shot up the line and follow it to the net and go from defense to offense. She is a good problem solver and a joy for me to watch. Apparently you did not enjoy and should therefore have stopped watching.

ALSO BIG PROPS TO THE OP for USING THE DIACRITICAL MARKS TO SPELL Jelena's and Aga's last names. That's cool!

Jerem
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:15 PM
ALSO BIG PROPS TO THE OP for USING THE DIACRITICAL MARKS TO SPELL Jelena's and Aga's last names. That's cool!
He is a Pole and these two marks exist in Polish, so that was easy :p
But indeed :yeah:

flareon
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:16 PM
Honestly, did you enjoy this match?

In a strange way I did as well, It was a shitfest but I enjoyed some of the winners from JJ and some of the imagination from Aga, I have always said I am not a fan of her but I did enjoy it.

marineblue
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:16 PM
Vera cannot deal with Aga. Aga knows that Vera has no forehand whatsoever and also that Vera is a headcase and kind of one dimensional in her play. Caro is tougher but she is totally on hiatus and struggling and is NOT IMPROVING anything in her game and getting slower around the court. Aga is consistently and slowly building on her game. She is the steady Eddy in terms of adding to her repertoire of tactics and skills.

Yup, sadly that is right at the moment. However, Caro, when she plays well is exciting to watch and does take initiative. At her best she can not only defend but also create opportunities for herself.
She screwed up her consistency by trying to play aggressively.

Nicolás89
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:18 PM
Honestly, did you enjoy this match?

Honestly, how is that relevant? Even if this match wasn't great, there are many shitfests & boredroms out there that don't involve Aga.

marineblue
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:18 PM
Yup, pretty much. I don't think she for one second actually believed she could/would win today. It's so obvious her confidence has evaporated.

This.

dsanders06
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:18 PM
NID. Same old story for Jankovic against the weaponless grinders in recent years: too old to out-grind them like she could've 4 years ago, but her groundstrokes too technically-flawed and her mind too feeble to successfully-execute an aggressive gameplan.

I'm wondering how long it will be before the more zealous Radwanska tards rush in and start proclaiming this as a sign she's back in form. When you're outwinnered by as bad an aggressive player as Jankovic, it's anything BUT a sign you're in contention at a Slam.

olivero
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:19 PM
Zvonareva is not boring, her matches are always fiesty and she goes for her shots as well.

I know she does. But so does Aga when she's playing her best.
I've seen many Vera's matches where she was just pushing and nothing else. So I'd say those fans calling Agnieszka a pusher are just a bunch of hypocrites.

Simugna Help
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:20 PM
Peak Vera is a pleasure to watch, she loves coming to the net and finishing points that way. :yeah:

LUXXXAS
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:21 PM
JJ :help: queen of self-destruction :tape:

flareon
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:21 PM
I know she does. But so does Aga when she's playing her best.
I've seen many Vera's matches where she was just pushing and nothing else. So I'd say those fans calling Agnieszka a pusher are just a bunch of hypocrites.

Not as much as vera does... I mean radwanska in asian swing was brilliant and I loved that run but sometimes this year she is boring and does not do that much to win, and then you think where is that form from asia...

Petronius
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:21 PM
I popped in for a minute when the Cibulkova-Vinci stream had died and I saw two moonballs by Jankovic pushed back by her opponent and than JJ hit the ball back and it ended up almost in the stands.

And people complain that the men's matches draw bigger audiences?

olivero
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:22 PM
Honestly, did you enjoy this match?

It wasn't bad match. Both weren't playing their best but they had some very enertaining (and long) rallies. Most of them resulting in Jelena's dumb error but still :oh:

Wert.
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:23 PM
It's nice to have a fan, but could you stop being so obssesed to me? :happy:

It's 'obsessed with me' , not 'obsessed to me' ;)

Gilas.
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:24 PM
NID. Same old story for Jankovic against the weaponless grinders in recent years: too old to out-grind them like she could've 4 years ago, but her groundstrokes too technically-flawed and her mind too feeble to successfully-execute an aggressive gameplan.

I'm wondering how long it will be before the more zealous Radwanska tards rush in and start proclaiming this as a sign she's back in form. When you're outwinnered by as bad an aggressive player as Jankovic, it's anything BUT a sign you're in contention at a Slam.

You may have a long wait, since none of the non-troll fans actually thinks she's playing well at the moment.

Simugna Help
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:24 PM
Not as much as vera does... I mean radwanska in asian swing was brilliant and I loved that run but sometimes this year she is boring and does not do that much to win, and then you think where is that form from asia...
In case you didn't notice, Aga's shots in general lack pop and if she came to the net too often she would be slaughtered with passing shots. Tokyo/Beijing are much faster than the blue clay you have in New York, so she can come forward a lot more there.

Still, she approaches the net at least 5 times as often as Sharapova and other baseliners.

SwingVolley93
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:25 PM
NID. Same old story for Jankovic against the weaponless grinders in recent years: too old to out-grind them like she could've 4 years ago, but her groundstrokes too technically-flawed and her mind too feeble to successfully-execute an aggressive gameplan.

I'm wondering how long it will be before the more zealous Radwanska tards rush in and start proclaiming this as a sign she's back in form. When you're outwinnered by as bad an aggressive player as Jankovic, it's anything BUT a sign you're in contention at a Slam.

Please tell me which "Radwanska tard" said that Aga was indeed going to win this USO?
Or are you talking out of your irrelevant ass? :help:

flareon
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:27 PM
In case you didn't notice, Aga's shots in general lack pop and if she came to the net too often she would be slaughtered with passing shots. Tokyo/Beijing are much faster than the blue clay you have in New York, so she can come forward a lot more there.

Still, she approaches the net at least 5 times as often as Sharapova and other baseliners.

But still her net game is underated if she comes forward more I could be more of a fan, she can hit a nice angle and then come in a finish it off but what did it for me was the 1 winner in a set against maria in Miami, yes it was clever to watch Maria ball bash herself out of it but I just could not at that match... We shall see what happens next though.

Cinek
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:36 PM
Yes :hearts:

Aga, good luck vs. Vinci :kiss:

Matej
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:37 PM
I donīt quite get it why so many Jelenaīs fans turn their anger toward Radwanska. After all, Jelena can blame only herself -- it was her dreadful volleys and other WTF shots that cost her the second set.

KournikovaFan91
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:38 PM
Yeah JJ had her chances and didn't take them. Too many bad shots.

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:40 PM
It's not like he did it on TF, he had to open painter and upload it on image carrier and so on... I thought you know that :awww:

Yeah, big problem for people with your abilities. :awww:

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:40 PM
really would have been happy either way as I like both girls. congrats to Aga!

JJ :hug:

Alya_C
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:41 PM
Before the match, I had some faith in Jankovic, but after seeing the first points, it was NID that she would lose. The MP summed up the whole match. Embarrassing.

This is a bad result for both JJ and the WTA tour. Jankovic should seriously consider retirement. I mean, how many times she failed (badly) to win the points with an easy sitter or overhead? It is just pathetic. And she does not seem to believe anymore that she can win longer rallies and outhit players with less firepower. She is a lame excuse of a player now.

Radwanska did nothing as always. I am really asking the Polish posters: Do you seriously enjoy what she is doing out there or you just cheer for her because she is your countrymate.

The crowd was absolutely bored by this pushfest and if they got involved, it was because Jankovic was taking initiative and did something. A world #2 who bores people to death and who makes every match of hers a snorefest, independently who she is playing against, is not good for promoting womens tennis. Vinci played beautifully today, but we all know Radwanska will bring her level down to hers and then push her into surrender.

I'm not polish and I like watching her play. I grant you, she has played better that what she is playing right now, but I like her style, the way she plays cat and mouse with her opponent, creates angles, changes pace and direction. So to answer you no, I was not bored.

Wert.
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:46 PM
Awww that so hurt. You really got me. OMG how mean.

http://static2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/I%2Bremembered%2Bi%2Bdon%2Bt%2Bgive%2Ba%2Bfuck%2Bs o..%2Bit%2Bs%2Ball%2B_68caefcb459c07bf9b34a6e124c2 6fa5.gif

Use IMG code while posting an image ;)

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:46 PM
Awww that so hurt. You really got me. OMG how mean.

http://static2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/I%2Bremembered%2Bi%2Bdon%2Bt%2Bgive%2Ba%2Bfuck%2Bs o..%2Bit%2Bs%2Ball%2B_68caefcb459c07bf9b34a6e124c2 6fa5.gif

Nice GIF try :hug:
Now you see your abilities. :oh:

Golan
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:46 PM
http://gifsoup.com/view4/4054191/gurls3-o.gif

Tenis Srbija
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:47 PM
Janković actually played very well :shrug: Well, if we forget about few of those smashes. IMO she was a bit too much aggressive. But overall, her BH and surprisingly FH were more then decent. Too bad she didn't capitalize on so many opportunities, but Polish Wall got it in the end.

Keep it going JJ :yeah: Better days are ahead...

humanabstract
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:48 PM
The better player lost. :shrug: If JJ could play some easy shots...

:haha: @ non-existing crowd.

Kasey
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:50 PM
But you're still here :shrug:


And who's a fan now:lol:

John.
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:50 PM
Well done Aga. Good luck next round

JJ :hug:

Golan
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:52 PM
The better player lost. :shrug: If JJ could play some easy shots...

:haha: @ non-existing crowd.

Saturday morning :rolleyes:

Mr.Sharapova
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:54 PM
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad151/Milot_Sheremeti/loss_for_words.gif

rrfnpump
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:54 PM
I'm not polish and I like watching her play. I grant you, she has played better that what she is playing right now, but I like her style, the way she plays cat and mouse with her opponent, creates angles, changes pace and direction. So to answer you no, I was not bored.

The problem is, that she can only play cat and mouse with opponents when her opponents actually do something and take initiative. She does nothing by herself, only reacts. That is why against any decent playing opponent who has the power to hit through her, she stands no chance at all, because she simply cannot take initiative by herself.

Nicolás89
Sep 1st, 2012, 05:58 PM
The problem is, that she can only play cat and mouse with opponents when her opponents actually do something and take initiative. She does nothing by herself, only reacts. That is why against any decent playing opponent who has the power to hit through her, she stands no chance at all, because she simply cannot take initiative by herself.

You know that's not true.

Irute
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:00 PM
Before the match, I had some faith in Jankovic, but after seeing the first points, it was NID that she would lose. The MP summed up the whole match. Embarrassing.

This is a bad result for both JJ and the WTA tour. Jankovic should seriously consider retirement. I mean, how many times she failed (badly) to win the points with an easy sitter or overhead? It is just pathetic. And she does not seem to believe anymore that she can win longer rallies and outhit players with less firepower. She is a lame excuse of a player now.

Radwanska did nothing as always. I am really asking the Polish posters: Do you seriously enjoy what she is doing out there or you just cheer for her because she is your countrymate.

The crowd was absolutely bored by this pushfest and if they got involved, it was because Jankovic was taking initiative and did something. A world #2 who bores people to death and who makes every match of hers a snorefest, independently who she is playing against, is not good for promoting womens tennis. Vinci played beautifully today, but we all know Radwanska will bring her level down to hers and then push her into surrender.
I am not Polish, I do however enjoy Aga's game very much. Every player has better and worse matches. Every player had a match that wasn't enjoyable. This one was less than average but far from a "shitfest" as some are calling it. I don't know what would be the word for truly bad matches.

SwingVolley93
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:01 PM
The problem is, that she can only play cat and mouse with opponents when her opponents actually do something and take initiative. She does nothing by herself, only reacts. That is why against any decent playing opponent who has the power to hit through her, she stands no chance at all, because she simply cannot take initiative by herself.

You're either incredibly biased or you know nothing about tennis at all.
I guess ignorance is bliss for you :shrug:

Tenis Srbija
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:01 PM
Oh yes, curtailing idiotic-racists-outofass speech seems like your sort of thing too.

Fixed. I'm always here to help you, it's not like I'm holding Assange like a hostage in my basement :wavey:

Alya_C
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:02 PM
The problem is, that she can only play cat and mouse with opponents when her opponents actually do something and take initiative. She does nothing by herself, only reacts. That is why against any decent playing opponent who has the power to hit through her, she stands no chance at all, because she simply cannot take initiative by herself.

She can, she just doesn't do it the usual way, with a blast shot because she has no power. She has to use effects and angles. Everybody has different tastes, that's fine. I have no problem with agressive hitting players, those matches can be enjoyable too in a different way, what bugs me is the idea that if a player doesn't play in a certain way (usually the way someone's favorite plays)then they are shit and all their fans clueless idiots that cannot see the light.

Sisyphus
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:04 PM
Fixed. I'm always here to help you, it's not like I'm holding Assange like a hostage in my basement :wavey:

It's not racist you ridiculous creature. I wasn't aware "Yugoslav" was a separate race.

Brad[le]y.
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:06 PM
It's not racist you ridiculous creature. I wasn't aware "Yugoslav" was a separate race.

No but genocide is a very serious matter and ethically wrong. To attribute it to a certain group of people is :weirdo: Especially when they're just tennis fans.

Nicolás89
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:07 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Mawx6.gif

Who's that btw, a ball girl / volunteer? :confused:

flareon
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:07 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Mawx6.gif

:hysteric: they are in sync :lol:

Tenis Srbija
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:08 PM
It's not racist you ridiculous creature. I wasn't aware "Yugoslav" was a separate race.

"According to the United Nations convention, there is no distinction between the terms racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination"

P.S. I know this may come as a shock to your limited brain, but there isn't a "Yugoslav" nation or people. Bombshell, I know...

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:09 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Mawx6.gif

http://www.wotyougot.com/pictures//2012/08/mariah-carey-i-dont-know-her.gif

Carlsbadwanska
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:09 PM
Agnieszka played bad, maybe because she`s tired. She has great time after Wimbledon 2011 and can`t play all the time like USO Series or Asia last year. Hopefully she will win next match and take first USO QF in her career. Maybe in Asia she will find her form.

rrfnpump
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:09 PM
She can, she just doesn't do it the usual way, with a blast shot because she has no power. She has to use effects and angles. Everybody has different tastes, that's fine. I have no problem with agressive hitting players, those matches can be enjoyable too in a different way, what bugs me is the idea that if a player doesn't play in a certain way (usually the way someone's favorite plays)then they are shit and all their fans clueless idiots that cannot see the light.

I enjoyed seeing Radwanska play in Beijing and Tokyo last year. I really did. But this season she has regressed so much into a pusher and I think she is doing harm to the WTA. Just see the crowds reaction today. Do you really think the majority of people enjoy the tennis Radwanska plays over a spectacular shotmaker like Serena, Kvitova, Sharapova or Li?

humanabstract
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:10 PM
Saturday morning :rolleyes:

You didn't understand me. Crowd was there, you can clearly hear it on MP.

It's this match itself which was bland and boring that it seemed there was no one watching.

Aryman3
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:10 PM
Is Sharapova or Kerber "decent player" ?
For me Aga played as always - just enough to win and preserve energy for more important matches
At the end "the better player" was almost finished physically and mentally.
Aga won the last 3 games and if she was to play next set it would be another 6:0

olivero
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:11 PM
we need a mod in this thread :facepalm:

lenas warriors
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:11 PM
I thought smashes were the one thing that the Empress could rely on :sad:

Linguae^
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:11 PM
"According to the United Nations convention, there is no distinction between the terms racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination"

P.S. I know this may come as a shock to your limited brain, but there isn't a "Yugoslav" nation or people. Bombshell, I know...Leave him alone, he is not worth. He might have found that word on the Internet and maybe some cruel information about 'our past', just in order to bash my comment. He can't even point Serbia on map. :cool:

Brad[le]y.
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:12 PM
I enjoyed seeing Radwanska play in Beijing and Tokyo last year. I really did. But this season she has regressed so much into a pusher and I think she is doing harm to the WTA. Just see the crowds reaction today. Do you really think the majority of people enjoy the tennis Radwanska plays over a spectacular shotmaker like Serena, Kvitova, Sharapova or Li?

I think it has more to do with her lack of star power than her game itself. The crowd was really into Wozniacki's matches last year and her game is hardly exciting.

saul1333
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:12 PM
we need a mod in this thread :facepalm:

Yeap :help:

Tenis Srbija
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:13 PM
Leave him alone, he is not worth. He might have found that word on the Internet and maybe some cruel information about 'our past', just in order to bash my comment. He can't even point Serbia on map. :cool:

I can't :tape: I always try to help the less fortunate ones when it comes to IQ. :)

flareon
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:14 PM
I enjoyed seeing Radwanska play in Beijing and Tokyo last year. I really did. But this season she has regressed so much into a pusher and I think she is doing harm to the WTA. Just see the crowds reaction today. Do you really think the majority of people enjoy the tennis Radwanska plays over a spectacular shotmaker like Serena, Kvitova, Sharapova or Li?

I feel like this a lot, I am not saying shes a pusher, but she does push alot more than she used too, I really thought she had turned a corner in asian swing and then this season yes she has progressed up the ranking but her game has not, shes overplaying as well which is not a good idea...

we need a mod in this thread :facepalm:

There is one if you had not noticed...

Alya_C
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:15 PM
I enjoyed seeing Radwanska play in Beijing and Tokyo last year. I really did. But this season she has regressed so much into a pusher and I think she is doing harm to the WTA. Just see the crowds reaction today. Do you really think the majority of people enjoy the tennis Radwanska plays over a spectacular shotmaker like Serena, Kvitova, Sharapova or Li?

I don't care what the majority of people think, I don't make up my mind based on other people's opinon. I like her style and yes she has played better before, the same as Li played shit yesterday and Serena, Kvitova, Maria, etc have off days and weeks. You don't like her, that's fine. Let's just agree to disagree.

Irute
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:16 PM
Forgot to congratulate Aga on the win... so congrats on the job done :yeah: ... get your form back please.

Linguae^
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:18 PM
I can't :tape: I always try to help the less fortunate ones when it comes to IQ. :) You can't help a Radwanska lover, trust me. :lol:
I'm sad he's British, I love GB. :bounce: :lol:

olivero
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:25 PM
There is one if you had not noticed...

Oh god you're right :hysteric: my bad :lol:
so I guess nothing can help us

flareon
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:28 PM
Oh god you're right :hysteric: my bad :lol:
so I guess nothing can help us

:lol:

Simugna Help
Sep 1st, 2012, 06:39 PM
Q. When you have a player like that whose confidence is maybe a little bit shaky because of her recent results and things, do you tell yourself, Well, I just have to stay in there and be patient; at some point I'll get the error or mistake and she'll mentally lose it?

AGNIESZKA RADWANSKA: Of course.(...)
:spit:

Patrick345
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:11 PM
You know this thread makes me feel we let Wozniacki fans off the hook too easily now that she has regressed like we always predicted. She hasnīt won a major with her old game like we always predicted. Once opponent started to apply the correct tactics and stopped missing idiotic shots her game became useless and all that alleged mental toughness disappeared, because it never existed. It was just what the other players did wrong and youīll never run into seven idiots in a row during a major, because the mental focus of the aggressive players is just different than in Tokyo or Sydney.

Now we have the same discussion again with Radwanska fans, who claim JJs club level overhead misses on crucial breakpoints and gamepoints were part of a Slam winning gameplan from Radwanska. The problem is Azarenka, Serena, Kvitova, Na Li, Stosur and Sharapova donīt miss these shots on most days, but thatīs not even the reason for these back and forth discussions. The problem is that Radwanskaīs fans believe she has a pro-active say in the outcome of a match against these players.

dsanders06
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:13 PM
You know this thread makes me feel we let Wozniacki fans off the hook too easily now that she has regressed like we always predicted. She hasnīt won a major with her old game like we always predicted. Once opponent started to apply the correct tactics and stopped missing idiotic shots her game became useless and all that alleged mental toughness disappeared, because it never existed. It was just what the other players did wrong and youīll never run into seven idiots in a row during a major, because the mental focus of the aggressive players is just different than in Tokyo or Sydney.

Now we have the same discussion again with Radwanska fans, who claim JJs club level overhead misses on crucial breakpoints and gamepoints were part of a Slam winning gameplan from Radwanska. The problem is Azarenka, Serena, Kvitova, Na Li, Stosur and Sharapova donīt miss these shots on most days, but thatīs not even the reason for these back and forth discussions. The problem is that Radwanskaīs fans believe she has a pro-active say in the outcome of a match against these players.

PREACH!

They'll never learn though. I remember making this argument to a Radwanska fan a few weeks ago, and they responded that what happened to Wozniacki won't happen to Radwanska because she won't start dating Rory McIlroy :spit:

Simugna Help
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:20 PM
You know this thread makes me feel we let Wozniacki fans off the hook too easily now that she has regressed like we always predicted. She hasnīt won a major with her old game like we always predicted. Once opponent started to apply the correct tactics and stopped missing idiotic shots her game became useless and all that alleged mental toughness disappeared, because it never existed. It was just what the other players did wrong and youīll never run into seven idiots in a row during a major, because the mental focus of the aggressive players is just different than in Tokyo or Sydney.

Now we have the same discussion again with Radwanska fans, who claim JJs club level overhead misses on crucial breakpoints and gamepoints were part of a Slam winning gameplan from Radwanska. The problem is Azarenka, Serena, Kvitova, Na Li, Stosur and Sharapova donīt miss these shots on most days, but thatīs not even the reason for these back and forth discussions. The problem is that Radwanskaīs fans believe she has a pro-active say in the outcome of a match against these players.

Do you like arguing imaginary people making imaginary claims or do you like writing and then reading your own babbles no matter the subject (or possibly both)?

Irute
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:21 PM
You know this thread makes me feel we let Wozniacki fans off the hook too easily now that she has regressed like we always predicted. She hasnīt won a major with her old game like we always predicted. Once opponent started to apply the correct tactics and stopped missing idiotic shots her game became useless and all that alleged mental toughness disappeared, because it never existed. It was just what the other players did wrong and youīll never run into seven idiots in a row during a major, because the mental focus of the aggressive players is just different than in Tokyo or Sydney.

Now we have the same discussion again with Radwanska fans, who claim JJs club level overhead misses on crucial breakpoints and gamepoints were part of a Slam winning gameplan from Radwanska. The problem is Azarenka, Serena, Kvitova, Na Li, Stosur and Sharapova donīt miss these shots on most days, but thatīs not even the reason for these back and forth discussions. The problem is that Radwanskaīs fans believe she has a pro-active say in the outcome of a match against these players.

I may not read the thread thoroughly, but I did not notice such claims. Can you quote a few? I did notice however a lot of fans stating that Aga is not playing her best or even stating she is far from her best.

Gilas.
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:24 PM
I may not read the thread thoroughly, but I did not notice such claims. Can you quote a few? I did notice however a lot of fans stating that Aga is not playing her best or even stating she is far from her best.

There is nothing to quote because there isn't any. Patrick345's attempts at pseudo-intellectual discussions are amusing though, if not sad. :awww:

Patrick345
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:29 PM
PREACH!

They'll never learn though. I remember making this argument to a Radwanska fan a few weeks ago, and they responded that what happened to Wozniacki won't happen to Radwanska because she won't start dating Rory McIlroy :spit:

Well Radwanska is more talented than Wozniacki, and at least willing to take on the occasional shorter ball and has some finishing skills around the net, so it might take a little longer. ;) I think for Radwanska it will be more of a physical downfall eventually, because she isnīt the physical specimen that Wozniacki is.

Iīm not even mad these players maximize their talent, itīs more annyoing that their fans canīt accept them for what they are. Itīs not the "haters" that cannot properly evaluate their skills and limitations, itīs their fans. Do Radwanska fans really think this performance was a less exhausting exercise or more commanding performance than Serenaīs or Azarenkaīs 3rd round matches. NO! Radwanska played to her strength and she could not in a million years go out there and simply hit JJ off the court. So Radwanska does what she is capable of, but her fans should just stop pretending she could play dictating tennis against elite players for two hours.

Patrick345
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:32 PM
Do you like arguing imaginary people making imaginary claims or do you like writing and then reading your own babbles no matter the subject (or possibly both)?

From Live Commentary:

You guys, had Jelena raised her level so would Agnieszka. It's not like she's playing at her 100%.
Seriously it seems you've never watched her matches before.

Happy now?

Patrick345
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:33 PM
There is nothing to quote because there isn't any. Patrick345's attempts at pseudo-intellectual discussions are amusing though, if not sad. :awww:

Here for you, too. :rolleyes:

You guys, had Jelena raised her level so would Agnieszka. It's not like she's playing at her 100%.
Seriously it seems you've never watched her matches before.

Simugna Help
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:34 PM
There is nothing to quote because there isn't any. Patrick345's attempts at pseudo-intellectual discussions are amusing though, if not sad. :awww:

Note how he only quoted delusional06 and continued to address imaginary arguments. :awww:

Happy now?
One quote and no mention of beating Serena or Azarenka. :awww:

Cinek
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:40 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m93y7iQnrq1qzswhmo3_r1_250.gif
http://makeagif.com/media/8-26-2012/_hq2MG.gif

Irute
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:45 PM
From Live Commentary:



Happy now?

All I see in this comment is that Aga is not playing her 100% and that she is capable of better game. I see no statement that she is playing to her plan.

Gilas.
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:47 PM
Here for you, too. :rolleyes:
It's not even a good quote because the poster is actually correct to say that Aga is not playing at 100% due to injury or whatever reason...unless you REALLY believe that this is the best she can play :scared: Otherwise try watching even more of her matches preferably from last year, though it's probably tasking for you to watch such a mediocre player.

I can't speak for all Aga fans, but personally I'm not delusional of her abilities and potential as a player. I know it will take a handful of luck to win slams and beat top power players playing their best tennis, and I'm actually okay with it :shrug: For such a "limited" player as TF is portraying her, what she achieved so far is already great and it makes me happy. I love seeing her play, and believe it or not for some fans that is enough. Not everyone is a gloryhunter.

I'd rather support a massive overachiever like Aga anytime over another wasted young talent who never makes it big for some reason. We already have enough of those. Anyway, it's midnight so I'll just read all the bad reps tomorrow :wavey:

Patrick345
Sep 1st, 2012, 08:00 PM
It's not even a good quote because the poster is actually correct to say that Aga is not playing at 100% due to injury or whatever reason...unless you REALLY believe that this is the best she can play :scared: Otherwise try watching even more of her matches preferably from last year, though it's probably tasking for you to watch such a mediocre player.

I can't speak for all Aga fans, but personally I'm not delusional of her abilities and potential as a player. I know it will take a handful of luck to win slams and beat top power players playing their best tennis, and I'm actually okay with it :shrug: For such a "limited" player as TF is portraying her, what she achieved so far is already great and it makes me happy. I love seeing her play, and believe it or not for some fans that is enough. Not everyone is a gloryhunter.

I'd rather support a massive overachiever like Aga anytime over another wasted young talent who never makes it big for some reason. We already have enough of those. Anyway, it's midnight so I'll just read all the bad reps tomorrow :wavey:

Obviously she is good at what she does. She plays to her strength, has improved her serve and cut down on the cute trickery. Having an identity on court and a clear idea of what your game is helps a lot (just look at Lisicki or Barthel), but the suggestions that there is another gear or another gameplan in her arsenal is just not true. That is her gameplan and itīs that gameplan that will make her very rich and maybe win her a Slam or #1 in the future. Itīs just that history has shown that such players rarely win Grand Slams. Nevertheless being Radwanska sure beats the hell out of being a stupid ballbasher in the bottom half of the top 100.

Simugna Help
Sep 1st, 2012, 08:11 PM
You still failed to show us those legions of Aga fans convinced of her being a future major champion. (though if such an extremely match-up dependent player like Stosur can be a slam champ, so could potentially be Aga, but chances of stars aligning specifically for Aga are slim)

Three months ago the discussion was whether Aga would ever reach a slam semifinal and her fans were convinced she would and detractors were claiming she would not. Now that that milestone was achieved, detractors claim that blind Aga fans regularly speak of Aga winning a slam to distract from the fact that they were clearly wrong.

aguy9797
Sep 1st, 2012, 08:34 PM
Aga, you are so lucky, actually having a shot at making the USO QF while playing crappy tennis

Aga's serve seemed a bit better than during the last three weeks...but it was still pretty awful. Is she going to serve again the way she did in Miami?

I think she played way too defensively today. Jelena won the real estate battle, hands down, she just could not execute making those stupid errors. Jelena, please become a movie star finally. Bollywood is where you belong.
Aga really needs to take more risk going for winners, when she is in the middle of court and has a slow ball coming.

I thought she was going to lose in the 2nd round, 3rd round, now, I think Roberta has a great opportunity to reach her first GS quarterfinal...hopefully, I am wrong again

Aryman3
Sep 1st, 2012, 08:49 PM
Yes, I am this "delusional" fan who in 2006 predicted her future successes, GS win including
At that time she was even much weaker than today and specialists tried to ridicule my arguments asking how can she advance to Top 50 without any "weapons". By weapons they meant, naturally,
strong shots giving her immediate points or at least physical strength to dictate the game. For years, with mixed success, I tried to convince sceptics that Aga is maybe small and weak but
- no way weaponless. She just has other weapons equally important - speed, consistency, "artistic hands", natural talent that make her play almost effortless.
The Patrick345 arguments are just the last line of defence of typical sceptics. Aga doesn't have to "dictate the game" to win against strong players. She can do it her own original way.
She'll be Grand Slam winner before US Open 2013 you like it or not

Kworb
Sep 1st, 2012, 08:53 PM
Fun match to watch. So hard to find enjoyable tennis these days on the tour.

Roookie
Sep 1st, 2012, 08:58 PM
Pushed to death. JJ :hug:

toxina90
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:01 PM
Empress Pusher #1's bitch last year, Pusher #2's bitch this year; what's new? :cheer: she has no business losing to such beatable players

Nicolás89
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:34 PM
You know this thread makes me feel we let Wozniacki fans off the hook too easily now that she has regressed like we always predicted. She hasnīt won a major with her old game like we always predicted. Once opponent started to apply the correct tactics and stopped missing idiotic shots her game became useless and all that alleged mental toughness disappeared, because it never existed. It was just what the other players did wrong and youīll never run into seven idiots in a row during a major, because the mental focus of the aggressive players is just different than in Tokyo or Sydney.

Now we have the same discussion again with Radwanska fans, who claim JJs club level overhead misses on crucial breakpoints and gamepoints were part of a Slam winning gameplan from Radwanska. The problem is Azarenka, Serena, Kvitova, Na Li, Stosur and Sharapova donīt miss these shots on most days, but thatīs not even the reason for these back and forth discussions. The problem is that Radwanskaīs fans believe she has a pro-active say in the outcome of a match against these players.

Nice collection of words. All wrong but still superb effort.

Not even bothered to mention the obvious decline in Caro's game in her downfall, just attribute it all in the supposed bees that are these players & the hive mind like that it is the WTA. Now that makes a lot of sense. :lol:

Juju Nostalgique
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:36 PM
Thank you Aga! :hearts:

Agalicious win! :drool:

Aryman3
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:42 PM
Losing the Ball in the Sun

Peter Bodo
Saturday, September 01, 2012


NEW YORK—Jelena Jankovic finally made it back to Arthur Ashe Stadium today, which was a victory of sorts for the former No. 1 and 2008 U.S. Open finalist. Her tournament began out on Court No. 4, where you’re more likely to find a bitter fight to the finish between a qualifier and the No. 6 player from Italy, or a rip-snortin’ mixed doubles match, or maybe a girls’ singles quarterfinal.
“I was upgraded,” Jankovic said. “I go upgraded from Four to Court 17 (the National Tennis Center’s corner-pocket show court) to Ashe. It was fun to be back.”

Sort of.

The down side was that Jankovic’s third-round clash with second-seeded Agnieska Radwanska was the first match of the day, with just a scattering of fans in the massive arena and a blazing sun that made it almost impossible to track the ball in the air.

Actually, there was no “almost” about it, as far as Jankovic was concerned. She whiffed, completely and gloriously, at an important if early stage of the match, trying to hold serve after an exchange of breaks left Radwanska with a 3-2 lead.

Jankovic completely missed a smash at 30-15, then lost the next two points to fall behind 2-4. She would never catch up.

A few years ago, when Jankovic was playing loose, dangerous, carefree tennis, she might have laughed at that strikeout. Today, it got under her skin and undermined the fragile fund of confidence she’s been able to develop while coming out of a simply terrible, extended slump. Jankovic has lost her opening-round match d 14 times in 23 tournaments on the eve of this event, and has come to specialize in losing to women she might have carved to pieces playing left-handed just four years ago.

“You’re right about that,” she said of her failure to see any humor in the botched smash after losing the match to Radwanska, 6-3, 7-5. “But still it was a big point, and when she won that game it really helped her confidence.”

It’s been almost painful, watching Jankovic torpedo her chances time after time, tournament after tournament, in recent years. She still just 27, and a gifted ball striker who moves beautifully. But she still spends entire matches tip-toeing around the perimeter of the corn maze that is her mind, and all too often darts in to get lost for a while.

It was like that today, against one of the most steady players on the tour; Radwanska herself knows that playing Jankovic these days is an adventure. As the winner said, “Was a lot of games that was like, 30-all, 30-love (for Jelena) and then suddenly I was winning the games. It was a lot of weird points.”

Weird, but always entertaining. A match between these two is like watching two kittens from the same litter engage in a tug-of-war over a hank of yarn. Their style is similar, but their gifts so subtle and eye-pleasing that it’s a treat simply to watch them engage in a long rally. And neither is reluctant to move forward when the occasion demands, although a slightly more aggressive game plan might have greatly improved Jankovic’s chances today.

When these two engage in a 24-shot rally, it’s not just a long one, it’s usually a really, really pretty one. There’s Jankovic, driving that down-the-line flat backhand with force many women can’t muster, never mind the courage it takes to attempt it. And there’s Radwanska, squatting as she plucks a bullet off the baseline with one of her trademark windshield-wiper forehands. Remember when watching a WTA “baseline battle” had about the same effect as taking a fistful of ambien? Not with these two.

Radwanska still needs to show that she can win on the biggest of all stages, and in this era when power reigns supreme, that’s a tough assignment. Jankovic has a more explosive game, and she came very close to that ultimate triumph on a warm and sultry night in New York four years ago. She remembers that night (she lost to Serena Williams), and still thinks of it often.

“It’s one the favorite moments of my career,” she said. “There’s nothing more exciting or nicer than here, in prime time, a night match with twenty thousand people so excited to be there. It’s really electric. I think only the players who been in that situation can maybe explain that feeling.”

But even when they can explain it, they can’t always duplicate it. It’s a little like losing the ball in the sun, and it can happen to anyone.

rrfnpump
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:46 PM
Weird, but always entertaining. A match between these two is like watching two kittens from the same litter engage in a tug-of-war over a hank of yarn. Their style is similar, but their gifts so subtle and eye-pleasing that it’s a treat simply to watch them engage in a long rally.

:haha:

watching Jankovic missing smash after smash was truly eye-pleasing!

Jerem
Sep 1st, 2012, 09:54 PM
:haha:

watching Jankovic missing smash after smash was truly eye-pleasing!
2 or 3 missed smashes were not what made the match :shrug:

marineblue
Sep 1st, 2012, 10:12 PM
Nice collection of words. All wrong but still superb effort.

Not even bothered to mention the obvious decline in Caro's game in her downfall, just attribute it all in the supposed bees that are these players & the hive mind like that it is the WTA. Now that makes a lot of sense. :lol:

Have you read Patrick345's trolling in the past? This is nothing :lol:
Although the claim that she lost her mental toughness and that it in fact never existed is comedy gold. Caro has been one of the most resilient players on the tour, she is still showing a willingness to fight for each point even though she's had tough losses this season.

Patrick345
Sep 1st, 2012, 10:50 PM
Nice collection of words. All wrong but still superb effort.

Not even bothered to mention the obvious decline in Caro's game in her downfall, just attribute it all in the supposed bees that are these players & the hive mind like that it is the WTA. Now that makes a lot of sense. :lol:

Good to see you have taken your delusions from one player to the next.

Her decline is a direct result of her opponents extending the rallies, playing topsin with margin for error and not choking on easy putaways, because Wozniacki has lost that aura of invincibility that made the other players hand shaky on a big point. If you canīt see that Julia Görges laid out the blueprint, that even Ivanovic (the posterchild for dumb flat hitting)could follow then I feel sorry for you.

Wozniacki baited players into overhitting flat low-percentage shots. Itīs the same way Radwanska and Kerber prefer to play. To absorb and redirect flat hard shots is the specialty of those players. You force them to inject their own pace into rallies they will give you shorter balls (due to their weaker technique) and yes even unforced errors.

Wozniacki has realized that she had to change something and as a result she (temporarily?) makes even more errors now as she tries to sort out her new game. At least there is a chance she can rise again, once she masters to put away shorter balls in rallies and can be selective in her attacks.

Patrick345
Sep 1st, 2012, 11:03 PM
Have you read Patrick345's trolling in the past? This is nothing :lol:
Although the claim that she lost her mental toughness and that it in fact never existed is comedy gold. Caro has been one of the most resilient players on the tour, she is still showing a willingness to fight for each point even though she's had tough losses this season.

Fighting for every point is not mental toughness. :facepalm: To take the initiative and coming through in the biggest moments is mental toughness. Just hoping that the other player misses is not mental toughness. True champions donīt ask the other player to miss. They control their own destiny. :rolleyes:

Jerem
Sep 1st, 2012, 11:17 PM
Fighting for every point is not mental toughness. :facepalm: To take the initiative and coming through in the biggest moments is mental toughness. Just hoping that the other player misses is not mental toughness. True champions donīt ask the other player to miss. They control their own destiny. :rolleyes:
Players with mental toughness know to hold under pressure, they step up when it gets thight, they don't make unusual and unexpexted UE's when they face set or match points... They just remain solid enough to play their game, and Radwanska does so.
What you say is not always true, mental toughness won't necessary make a player being suddenly more offensive if it's not her usual game style. But again, Radwanska has already shown that she's totally able to play the right game when she is in danger, and the right game is not necessary the game which will bring you a point in less than 3 shots.

dangalak
Sep 1st, 2012, 11:19 PM
Radwanska did nothing as always. I am really asking the Polish posters: Do you seriously enjoy what she is doing out there or you just cheer for her because she is your countrymate.

:lol:

You unintelligent tool, the only way someone can "dosomething" in your eyes if they smack the shit out of the ball ala Serena Williams.

Simugna Help
Sep 1st, 2012, 11:20 PM
Wozniacki baited players into overhitting flat low-percentage shots. Itīs the same way Radwanska and Kerber prefer to play. To absorb and redirect flat hard shots is the specialty of those players. You force them to inject their own pace into rallies they will give you shorter balls (due to their weaker technique) and yes even unforced errors.
Yes it's exactly that simple - yet somehow players successfully employ that miraculous strategy against Wozniacki but can't against Radwanska or Kerber because they don't realize they should.

I think you've read too many delusional06's posts and lost any sense of judgment.
Fighting for every point is not mental toughness. :facepalm: To take the initiative and coming through in the biggest moments is mental toughness. Just hoping that the other player misses is not mental toughness. True champions donīt ask the other player to miss. They control their own destiny. :rolleyes:
Nadal is one of the most defensive players in mens' game (maybe Monaco and Simon are more defensive) yet there he is with 10 slam trophies on his shelf.

Patrick345
Sep 1st, 2012, 11:40 PM
Yes it's exactly that simple - yet somehow players successfully employ that miraculous strategy against Wozniacki but can't against Radwanska or Kerber because they don't realize they should.

I think you've read too many delusional06's posts and lost any sense of judgment.


OMG do I really have to explain to you that there are different degrees of defensive-minded players? Obviously itīs easier against Wozniacki, because she has brick hands, her forehand is a total mess and she cannot volley. Yes in general itīs hard to understand that players donīt approach the games against Kerber and Radwanska with a similar strategy as they approach Wozniacki. The main difference is that Kerber (more) and Radwanska (less) will take the initiative more often and will try to punish a shorter ball, so your topspin has to be on point and deep, while Wozniacki doesnīt even do that. Now Wozniacki is trying to change that.

Did you not see how much trouble Kerber had with the wide kickserve from Venus on the deuce court? It was much more effective than the big bombs, because Kerber loves pace and playing her backhand close to the body. Extend and make her reach with the backhand and youīll receive much shorter balls and errors, because she cannot generate pace and her technique becomes shaky. Thatīs what Radwanska did with her serve placement at Wimbledon, too. Itīs reason Iīm so scared of Errani after watching their French Open match. Only hope is that Kerber will be able to hit through Errani on the bit faster hardcourt.


Nadal is one of the most defensive players in mens' game (maybe Monaco and Simon are more defensive) yet there he is with 10 slam trophies on his shelf.

Okay. Not sure what to say about this.

Nicolás89
Sep 1st, 2012, 11:53 PM
Good to see you have taken your delusions from one player to the next.

Her decline is a direct result of her opponents extending the rallies, playing topsin with margin for error and not choking on easy putaways, because Wozniacki has lost that aura of invincibility that made the other players hand shaky on a big point. If you canīt see that Julia Görges laid out the blueprint, that even Ivanovic (the posterchild for dumb flat hitting)could follow then I feel sorry for you.

Wozniacki baited players into overhitting flat low-percentage shots. Itīs the same way Radwanska and Kerber prefer to play. To absorb and redirect flat hard shots is the specialty of those players. You force them to inject their own pace into rallies they will give you shorter balls (due to their weaker technique) and yes even unforced errors.

Wozniacki has realized that she had to change something and as a result she (temporarily?) makes even more errors now as she tries to sort out her new game. At least there is a chance she can rise again, once she masters to put away shorter balls in rallies and can be selective in her attacks.

All just personal opinions, exaggerated facts with little relevance & made out information. Ever heard of bad match ups? That's what Gorges is for Caro. And like wth told you Caro wanted to change her game? That missconception has been clearly been ruled out by her & her team many times.

I also can't at how you can't even accept that Caro's game has devolved, her serve is weaker, she is moving slower, has lost timing on her bh, has even lost power, etc. so OBVIOUSLY her decline from the top has a lot to do with HER instead of just the players figuring her out at the same time like if that is even possible among free willing beings. :lol:

Simugna Help
Sep 2nd, 2012, 12:21 AM
OMG do I really have to explain to you that there are different degrees of defensive-minded players? Obviously itīs easier against Wozniacki, because she has brick hands, her forehand is a total mess and she cannot volley. Yes in general itīs hard to understand that players donīt approach the games against Kerber and Radwanska with a similar strategy as they approach Wozniacki. The main difference is that Kerber (more) and Radwanska (less) will take the initiative more often and will try to punish a shorter ball, so your topspin has to be on point and deep, while Wozniacki doesnīt even do that. Now Wozniacki is trying to change that.
Yet what you missed is that Wozniacki's last two losses were to Pavlyuchenkova and Begu who typically hit flat ground strokes with very little spin on them. Wozniacki's worse results are more caused by her physical decline (chasing your boyfriend worldwide cuts away time spent practicing and resting) and her confidence being shattered the moment she's broken nowadays.



Did you not see how much trouble Kerber had with the wide kickserve from Venus on the deuce court? It was much more effective than the big bombs, because Kerber loves pace and playing her backhand close to the body. Extend and make her reach with the backhand and youīll receive much shorter balls and errors, because she cannot generate pace and her technique becomes shaky. Thatīs what Radwanska did with her serve placement at Wimbledon, too. Itīs reason Iīm so scared of Errani after watching their French Open match. Only hope is that Kerber will be able to hit through Errani on the bit faster hardcourt.
I fell asleep after the first set. :zzz: I remember Aga hitting one effective kick serve against Kerber (on break point on second serve), but in general most players struggle against kick serves unless thay're 1.80m+, not only Aga and Angie. Your point proves nothing (and of course most female players can't hit an effective kick serve, so it's moot anyway).

olivero
Sep 2nd, 2012, 12:27 AM
You know this thread makes me feel we let Wozniacki fans off the hook too easily now that she has regressed like we always predicted. She hasnīt won a major with her old game like we always predicted. Once opponent started to apply the correct tactics and stopped missing idiotic shots her game became useless and all that alleged mental toughness disappeared, because it never existed. It was just what the other players did wrong and youīll never run into seven idiots in a row during a major, because the mental focus of the aggressive players is just different than in Tokyo or Sydney.

Now we have the same discussion again with Radwanska fans, who claim JJs club level overhead misses on crucial breakpoints and gamepoints were part of a Slam winning gameplan from Radwanska. The problem is Azarenka, Serena, Kvitova, Na Li, Stosur and Sharapova donīt miss these shots on most days, but thatīs not even the reason for these back and forth discussions. The problem is that Radwanskaīs fans believe she has a pro-active say in the outcome of a match against these players.

Since you've quoted me I kinda feel a need to respond to you.
I never claimed JJ's dumb errors were a result of Aga's amazing play. I'm Jelena's fan. I know she can be an idiot on court and Aga doesn't have anything to do with it. But still I think Aga did control the match. Had Jelena been more consistent the result could've been different, but she wasn't. The thing is Aga often plays below her top level in the first rounds of Slams. Have you seen her matches at Wimbledon? She was awful at the beginning and was gradually improving, cause each round brought more difficult opponents. After first few matches people said she has no chance against Kerber (or even Kirilenko) and then bang, she plays probably the best match of her career in the SF. And then another good one in the final.
The fact is when her opponent is an UEs machine she likes to let them destroy themselfs. And I'm aware of the fact that Vika at 100% can bash her of the court (and almost double bagel her). Same with Serena, Na or Maria. But when Aga's playing her best she often (not always) can make them commit more UEs and thus win the match. Her abilities are limited. It's obvious. She doesn't have Serena's power but she's trying to achieve as much as she's capable of.
And back to Jelena. Jeca isn't Serena. I don't believe she can hit Agnieszka off the court. She could probably outrally her at her best but sadly her best tennis is gone and nowhere to be seen. While Agnieszka is slumping, she can still raise her level of play during the match (as her R2 match showed).

Corswandt
Sep 2nd, 2012, 08:54 PM
Did you not see how much trouble Kerber had with the wide kickserve from Venus on the deuce court?

If it went out wide to the deuce court then it wasn't a kick serve. Slice.

rucolo
Sep 3rd, 2012, 11:47 AM
Good win, Aga ! :yeah:

Jelena, too many stupid UEs :help:

Beat
Sep 3rd, 2012, 11:54 AM
To me, Jelena won

i'll try out this strategy whenever my favourites lose. thanks.

Zvonareva is not boring, her matches are always fiesty and she goes for her shots as well.

WTF? :spit: