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Patrick345
Aug 31st, 2012, 12:52 AM
What an amazing event for some journeywomen and youngsters. Seven of the 32 players are in the 3rd round of a Slam for the first time. 12 have been to the 3rd round three or less times. :eek: Some nice paycheques going around.

Burdette: 1st time
Hlavackova: 1st time
Puchkova: 1st time
Tatishvili: 1st time
Parmentier: 1st time
Mladenovic: 1st time
Robson: 1st time
Soler-Espinosa: 2nd time
Minella: 2nd time
Govortsova: 3rd time (1st time off clay)
Pironkova: 3rd time (1st time off grass)
Lepchenko: 3rd time (all this year)

Wiggly
Aug 31st, 2012, 01:06 AM
There's a few names out there that I'm surprised they ever won a match in a major let alone made it to the third round.

KournikovaFan91
Aug 31st, 2012, 01:07 AM
Minella/Tatishvilli and SSE/Tsveta will make 4R. :oh: Big for them. Well maybe not Tsveta, bitch has been there done that a Wimby :lol

And with Ivanovic facing SSE/Tsveta don't be surprised if they make a QF :lol:

Brad[le]y.
Aug 31st, 2012, 02:30 AM
Pironkova a journeywoman? :ras:

Mynarco
Aug 31st, 2012, 03:08 AM
Pironkova a journeywoman? :ras:

show me her WTA titles.

Brad[le]y.
Aug 31st, 2012, 03:09 AM
show me her WTA titles.

GS SF and QF :p

Spring Pools
Aug 31st, 2012, 04:53 AM
show me her WTA titles.

Ask Venus Williams - Tsveti ain't no journeywoman.

Boxuan
Aug 31st, 2012, 05:24 AM
Pironkova: 3rd time (1st time off grass)

shocking!:facepalm:

crazillo
Aug 31st, 2012, 09:12 AM
That's why I said this is the weakest GS draw in recent memory...

$uricate
Aug 31st, 2012, 09:51 AM
That's why I said this is the weakest GS draw in recent memory...

I thought this too when I saw the draw. Seemed very soft all around apart from that one part with Na/Sam/Kim an even then the non-seeds didn't look tough either :shrug:

dencod16
Aug 31st, 2012, 09:56 AM
Primarily due to dark horses being drawn against each other very early in the draw. But i wouldn't put Pironkova there as she can be a real good player at times.

stromatolite
Aug 31st, 2012, 10:18 AM
Ask Venus Williams - Tsveti ain't no journeywoman.

As I understand it, journeywoman usually refers to a player who has shown herself to be reasonably competent over an extended period of time without ever hitting the heights that the big stars do. You could maybe quibble about whether this term applies to Pironkova, but I don't think it insults her.

Miracle Worker
Aug 31st, 2012, 10:21 AM
At least we shouldn't have any random player in semifinal. And I think that even in QF we won't see any random player. I mean, Pironkova is not random player.

It seems we finally have big group of top players which should reach final stages of all tournaments. And I think even Jankovic should be considered as a member of this group.

Simugna Help
Aug 31st, 2012, 10:42 AM
As I understand it, journeywoman usually refers to a player who has shown herself to be reasonably competent over an extended period of time without ever hitting the heights that the big stars do. You could maybe quibble about whether this term applies to Pironkova, but I don't think it insults her.
For me journeywoman are players who travel from tournament to tournament often losing in R1/R2. Occasional spikes in results don't change that. But I think it is a derogatory term, though the existence of journeywomen is unavoidable given how the tour is designed (there are only 2 spots in the final, 4 in the semis etc., so majority of players have to pack their bags before the weekend matches).

stromatolite
Aug 31st, 2012, 10:55 AM
For me journeywoman are players who travel from tournament to tournament often losing in R1/R2. Occasional spikes in results don't change that. But I think it is a derogatory term, though the existence of journeywomen is unavoidable given how the tour is designed (there are only 2 spots in the final, 4 in the semis etc., so majority of players have to pack their bags before the weekend matches).

I think that the term can be used to refer to different classes of players. Sometimes it is used as a derogatory term, sometimes as a sign of mild respect (I've seen articles referring to the likes of Shvedova and even Pennetta as journeywomen, and I've even heard a definition that any player yet to reach a slam final is a journeywoman). Whatever the case, I don't think it is insulting to use this term for Pironkova.

SVK
Aug 31st, 2012, 10:56 AM
I like it, as I like random tournaments, I don´t give an F what´s good or bad for tennis (unlike some others who have suicidal thoughts everytime they see random player making a good run), the fact some random/unexpected players will fight for a later stages of a tournament is exciting enough for me, I would watch Tatishvili - Minella even if it would be a final.

This is not the first random looking USO, we had something like that in 2009, when players like K. Bondarenko, Dulko, Wickmayer were fighting for QF/SF even Kvitova´s run was unexpected for many people back then. And from this list, you never know if we wouldn´t have a new Kerber...who expected her to make TOP 10 even after the US Open semi? Many people tought she is going to be just another fluke run...she could be also labelled as a journeywoman by some people back then.

Simugna Help
Aug 31st, 2012, 12:15 PM
I like it, as I like random tournaments, I don´t give an F what´s good or bad for tennis (unlike some others who have suicidal thoughts everytime they see random player making a good run), the fact some random/unexpected players will fight for a later stages of a tournament is exciting enough for me, I would watch Tatishvili - Minella even if it would be a final.

This is not the first random looking USO, we had something like that in 2009, when players like K. Bondarenko, Dulko, Wickmayer were fighting for QF/SF even Kvitova´s run was unexpected for many people back then. And from this list, you never know if we wouldn´t have a new Kerber...who expected her to make TOP 10 even after the US Open semi? Many people tought she is going to be just another fluke run...she could be also labelled as a journeywoman by some people back then.

I agree. In general, it's still round of 32, there are still two more rounds to seed out truly in-form players from this group. Tennis at slams is not different from regular tour (the difference is that players get one day off to regroup and that's it) and I don't think anyone would make a big deal if Hlavackova or Parmentier reached QF at a Premier 700 event, which is probably an equivalent achievement. In fact, I'm going out on a limb and saying that reaching a slam semi is similar to winning a typical Premier 700 tournament (eg. Stuttgart this year had a way more stacked field than any grand slam's quarter, whereas San Diego was left for journeywomen to earn some points and money, but typically it's somewhere in between).