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Volcana
Aug 30th, 2012, 12:14 AM
Just looking at singles, for the moment.

Four slams is nice, #1 ranking, points for the time off for Mommie-hood, and the comeback.

Is she simply firmly entrenched as the #5 player in a generation of great players? Can't put her ahead of Hingis, surely ahead of Mauresmo. Defining 'generation' more broadly, like from 1997, nothing really changes. Graf and Seles were at the tail-end of great careers, but careers that were 90% the previous generation of players. You might include Pierce, Capriati and Davenport, but except for Davenport, there's no real comparison there.

She's sort of the Venus of Belgian tennis. Great player, but definitely #2.

But she did it her own way, and she was successful doing it that way. Can't ask for more than that in any walk of life.

Hats off, KC. You'll be missed.

arthurussell
Aug 30th, 2012, 12:25 AM
Is she really from Hingis' generation? I don't think so... Definitely a contemporary to the Williams sisters, Henin, Mauresmo and Sharapova. Davenport had a nice 2005 but she wasn't much of a factor before or after that.

Yes #5 is about right, behind Serena, Henin, Venus and Sharapova.

NashaMasha
Aug 30th, 2012, 12:25 AM
Is she simply firmly entrenched as the #5 player in a generation of great players?

actually she is #6 , but this generation or combination of generations was so great and she was one of the main integral part of women's tennis glorious time

colt13
Aug 30th, 2012, 01:32 AM
The 2nd best second act in tennis history, only behind Capriati.

dsanders06
Aug 30th, 2012, 02:10 AM
She's #6 of her generation if Hingis is included, #5 if she's not. There is really no argument to put Kim ahead of Sharapova at this point :lol:

Does she have a claim to being the best US Open performer of her generation? Unless Serena adds another title, I'd give Kim the edge :shrug:

LindsayRulz
Aug 30th, 2012, 02:14 AM
Is she really from Hingis' generation? I don't think so... Definitely a contemporary to the Williams sisters, Henin, Mauresmo and Sharapova. Davenport had a nice 2005 but she wasn't much of a factor before or after that.

Yes #5 is about right, behind Serena, Henin, Venus and Sharapova.

*My brain pretends not having read that sentence*

fluffyelloballz
Aug 30th, 2012, 03:00 AM
Kim belongs to the second tier of the elite of her generation.
Tier 1: Serena, Venus, Henin, Hingis.
I am including Hingis, who peaked too early, but she and venus were competing in major finals in 97 aged 17 and 16 so they are of the same generation.
Tier 2: Davenport, Sharapova, Clisters. She is last of them having beaten the lesser opponents in finals and winning 2 of the 4 majors only. Yes, kim has the number one weeks, WTA champs, a host of Tier 1s and all that jazz but she never beat anyone in a major final who was overall better than her while Lindsay beat Hingis and Graf and Maria beat Serena and Henin. Those girls performed when they made it to the finals against their betters while Kim, sad to say, choked
Tier 3: Mauresmo, Capriati.

Serenus Christ
Aug 30th, 2012, 03:11 AM
In 50 years her legacy will be the player that was opposite Serena Williams in the semi-final match of the US Open 2009.

http://www.muumuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/tumblr_lf0do0VLnJ1qdvrad.gif

Lucemferre
Aug 30th, 2012, 03:17 AM
She's #6 of her generation if Hingis is included, #5 if she's not. There is really no argument to put Kim ahead of Sharapova at this point :lol:

Does she have a claim to being the best US Open performer of her generation? Unless Serena adds another title, I'd give Kim the edge :shrug:

Of course you would but 3 W, 2 F, 1 SF >>> 3 W, 1 F

NashaP
Aug 30th, 2012, 04:13 AM
Does Sharapova belong in Clijsters' generation? She is too young to be included but too old for the azarenkas and wozniackis...

TPlaya8
Aug 30th, 2012, 04:29 AM
To be honest, Kim's only weak slam win was the AO 2011. Her '05 US had her comeback from a set and break down to beat Venus (argubably maybe the favorite that year and fresh off one of the greatest Grand Slam Finals ever and her first win over Serena in a major in 4 years) and she beat Sharapova. And the person ppl on this board call the Goat Pierce. (who already had a slam final that year.)

'09 was remarkable except the champonship match was anti climatic compared to her wins over Venus and Serena. (And yes there is no telling how that match would have played out but to be honest Kim was putting all kinds of pressure on Serena)

'10 She beat Venus the final was anticlimatic again.

And all this was is coming from Venus' biggest fan!!!

wayitis
Aug 30th, 2012, 04:39 AM
Kim's career is one very hard to put in perspective: she was definitely an underachiever in her first wing and overachieved unexpectedly in the second part. During the first part of her career, Kim was one of the most dominant and consistent players in non-Slam events, especially on US hard courts, and while someone like Henin, for example, would have losses or trouble against lower ranked players in the first rounds, Kim would just dismiss them with ease, she was hardly ever challenged or troubled unless against top tier players... but her Slam history lags...

She certainly fared better in the second phase, even though she never played as well as she used to, but the younger competitors were not worrying her the way Henin did in Slam finals, no other young player had the mental baggage that Kim had to carry while playing Justine or Serena... but Kim has also realized that the new generation is finally coming to terms, actually since 2011 , and victories against the new top players will be getting harder and harder to come by... so in ways, she knows that it is a good time to retire, I just wish she had tried harder to be in the last French Opens, I always thought there was something else there besides her supposed aversion to clay...

NashaMasha
Aug 30th, 2012, 08:12 AM
Does Sharapova belong in Clijsters' generation? She is too young to be included but too old for the azarenkas and wozniackis...

Sharapova won her first Major before Kim , she also won her 2nd and 3d Major before Kim's second. Martha's age is deceptive, because , for instance, Kerber is only one year younger))) and Kerber is definitely not of Masha's tennis generation

JRena
Aug 30th, 2012, 08:15 AM
I'd consider her the 2nd best mover of her generation after Venus, so props to her.

bandabou
Aug 30th, 2012, 08:22 AM
Does she have a claim to being the best US Open performer of her generation? Unless Serena adds another title, I'd give Kim the edge :shrug:

:lol: Of course you would.

crazillo
Aug 30th, 2012, 10:28 AM
There was a lot of talking about Kim before her first GS win, just like Mauresmo and Novotna (before her maiden slam title) she was named the best player yet to win a slam.

I agree that she underachieved in her first career and overachieved in her second career though. She has never played a full schedule since coming back, yet managed to sneak quite a few big titles. I think she has the best US Open record of all active players, and when talking about hardcourts only, she is actually in the very best group of her generation. On any other surface though (except maybe indoor where she won many titles, too) I would not even include her as a threat for majors.
When put in perspective, she was a slam contender and truly great player on hardcourts and quite a bit behind on any other surface.

Royals.
Aug 30th, 2012, 12:13 PM
Venus is in a different league to Kim.

Volcana
Sep 3rd, 2012, 04:58 PM
Is she really from Hingis' generation? I don't think so...'generation; is an inexact term, but she's closer to Hingis' age than Sharapova's. And she was in the 2001 RG final, so she winning while Hingis was still #1.Does Sharapova belong in Clijsters' generation? She is too young to be included but too old for the azarenkas and wozniackis...As wierd as it seems, Sharapova is only two years older than Azarenka and Greater Radwanska, only a year older than Kerber. She just got good much, MUCH faster than they did.

Olórin
Sep 3rd, 2012, 05:06 PM
Hingis the Williams sisters and Belgians are quite clearly all of the same tennis generation, Hingis peaking at 16 and retiring early doesn't alter that.

Serena, Venus, Kim, Justine, Hingis are all so close in age and then Capriati and Davenport born in 1976, what an amazing generation of players.

sammy01
Sep 3rd, 2012, 06:13 PM
Clijsters legacy will be as a great player, but also a great sportswoman who was adored by her fellow players and true tennis fans.

She is basically a champion on and off court.