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Chrissie-fan
Aug 22nd, 2012, 12:56 PM
A thread for sports other than WTA tennis, which will hopefully put a stop to the discussions about what is and isn't appropriate for the "continual reference to Caro" thread. ;)


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jasminefu623
Aug 22nd, 2012, 01:36 PM
well, actually i love playing badminton, anyone play badminton here?

Blu€
Aug 22nd, 2012, 01:37 PM
:bigcry::haha: That Rory pic! :worship:

Burisleif
Aug 22nd, 2012, 02:55 PM
What no cycling? :lol: No sailing? :)

Burisleif
Aug 22nd, 2012, 02:58 PM
well, actually i love playing badminton, anyone play badminton here?

I used too and still remeber being ripped to shreds by my cousin who was at the time a reigning womens doubles Jylland Champion. Like Patrik with Caro, I realised the future right there... :)

Chrissie-fan
Aug 22nd, 2012, 03:27 PM
What no cycling? :lol: No sailing? :)

Sure, why not?

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Burisleif
Aug 22nd, 2012, 08:51 PM
I didn't think the USADA were releacing evidence in the Lance case yet :)

Yksi
Aug 23rd, 2012, 01:27 AM
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Al Bundy - my hero! :lol:

Oh, and hello folks. :)

DownInAHole
Aug 23rd, 2012, 06:59 AM
Al Bundy - my hero! :lol:

Oh, and hello folks. :)

Hello and welcome.

Yksi
Aug 23rd, 2012, 11:30 AM
Hello and welcome.
Thanks!

Chrissie-fan
Aug 23rd, 2012, 02:23 PM
Al Bundy - my hero! :lol:

Oh, and hello folks. :)
The man is a legend, no doubt about it. Polk High greatest of all time!

Welcome! :)

TennisFan66
Aug 24th, 2012, 09:01 AM
Lance Armstrong ends fight against doping charges

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19364384

" The US anti-doping agency (USADA) now says it will ban Armstrong from cycling for life and strip him of his seven Tour de France titles. "

I can think of one Dane, who's very happy he's not American :tape:

Chrissie-fan
Aug 24th, 2012, 10:03 AM
The entire history of road cycling has been tainted to such a degree by PED that it's impossible to take the sport seriously.

C. W. Fields
Aug 24th, 2012, 10:08 AM
Sad thing with the Lance case. He maintains his innocence but his giving up the fight suggests otherwise. Of course it's not impossible that he's giving up the fight for the reasons he's stating - that it's too much of a burden for his family - but it doesn't fit with his 'warrior' image. That, coupled with the horde of people saying he's guilty, makes it hard to believe in his innocence anymore despite all his negative tests.

Chrissie-fan
Aug 24th, 2012, 10:26 AM
Sad thing with the Lance case. He maintains his innocence but his giving up the fight suggests otherwise. Of course it's not impossible that he's giving up the fight for the reasons he's stating - that it's too much of a burden for his family - but it doesn't fit with his 'warrior' image. That, coupled with the horde of people saying he's guilty, makes it hard to believe in his innocence anymore despite all his negative tests.
It's nearly impossible that he's innocent when you think about it, unless he's truly a freak of nature. Many of his biggest rivals and contemporaries have been exposed as drug cheats. It's very unlikely that he could beat a peleton of riders who are up to their necks in PED seven times in the toughest road race of them all if he was clean himself.

I think that riders who are active in that sport really face a dilemma. Either take PED which allows you to compete in a more or less even playing field, but run the risk of getting caught and losing it all (including your dignity). Or keep a clear conscience and don't take PED in which case you're only take part to make up the numbers - if you make it to the professional ranks at all, that is.

C. W. Fields
Aug 24th, 2012, 10:45 AM
It's nearly impossible that he's innocent when you think about it, unless he's truly a freak of nature. Many of his biggest rivals and contemporaries have been exposed as drug cheats. It's very unlikely that he could beat a peleton of riders who are up to their necks in PED seven times in the toughest road race of them all if he was clean himself.

I think that riders who are active in that sport really face a dilemma. Either take PED which allows you to compete in a more or less even playing field, but run the risk of getting caught and losing it all (including your dignity). Or keep a clear conscience and don't take PED in which case you're only take part to make up the numbers - if you make it to the professional ranks at all, that is.

For years I've been ambivalent about Lance. The idealistic side of me didn't want to believe that a man who had been handed a virtual death sentence by the cancer doctors - yet came out alive on the other side - would disgrace this new lease on life by cheating and filling his body with illegal drugs. The cynical/realistic side of me believed the same as you, that it wasn't possible for a clean man to beat all the dopers seven years in a row. The idealistic side of me is losing the battle now. :sad:

Protoss
Aug 24th, 2012, 04:25 PM
Here's a list about Armstrong's runnerups:

http://www.theradsport.com/the-doping-records-of-the-top-5-finishers-from-lance-armstrongs-7-tour-de-france-victories/

Chrissie-fan
Aug 24th, 2012, 04:37 PM
That says it all really...

TennisFan66
Aug 24th, 2012, 04:42 PM
Here's a list about Armstrong's runnerups:

http://www.theradsport.com/the-doping-records-of-the-top-5-finishers-from-lance-armstrongs-7-tour-de-france-victories/

Yeah. Wonder who'll be give the victories ...

Chrissie-fan
Aug 24th, 2012, 04:51 PM
Yeah. Wonder who'll be give the victories ...
They shouldn't give them to anyone because if you take away Armstrong and the other dope offenders (that have been caught) out of the race it affects everyone else's results as well. Whoever is number two in a race with Armstrong wouldn't necessarily be number one without him because you'd have a different race with different tactics. If it happened in tennis you can't declare the runner-up the winner either because it might have been whoever ended up losing in the semis or quarters to the dope offender that might have ended up winning.

TennisFan66
Aug 24th, 2012, 05:01 PM
They shouldn't give them to anyone because if you take away Armstrong and the other dope offenders (that have been caught) out of the race it affects everyone else's results as well. Whoever is number two in a race with Armstrong wouldn't necessarily be number one without him because you'd have a different race with different tactics. If it happened in tennis you can't declare the runner-up the winner either because it might have been whoever ended up losing in the semis or quarters to the dope offender that might have ended up winning.

While I personally do not disagree with you, there is precedence of elevating the RUP to victory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Landis_doping_case

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tour_de_France_winners

Burisleif
Aug 24th, 2012, 05:09 PM
I can think of one Dane, who's very happy he's not American :tape:

who?

Burisleif
Aug 24th, 2012, 05:10 PM
The entire history of road cycling has been tainted to such a degree by PED that it's impossible to take the sport seriously.

It's no different in any sport to be fair. :)

Burisleif
Aug 24th, 2012, 05:19 PM
Sad thing with the Lance case. He maintains his innocence but his giving up the fight suggests otherwise. Of course it's not impossible that he's giving up the fight for the reasons he's stating - that it's too much of a burden for his family - but it doesn't fit with his 'warrior' image. That, coupled with the horde of people saying he's guilty, makes it hard to believe in his innocence anymore despite all his negative tests.

He did fail tests though... Right off the back of the Festina affair, when everyone else seemed to back off, he took his opportunity, failed a test and was let off. The UCI playing a role in this conspiracy is part of the current case, and with luck it will escalate to wide reform in many sports.

I'm waiting for mutton chops to make a statement about his best buddy and training inspiration/partner. Maybe this time it might be wise Not to elevate the texan as a method of denigrating others.

Burisleif
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:22 PM
Worth a listen. (http://velorooms.com/files/bbc_radio_five_live_ullman_slater_walsh_240812.mp3 )

David Walsh pretty much sums up how many (non casual) cycling fans have always felt about Wonderboy.

Chrissie-fan
Aug 25th, 2012, 02:18 AM
It's no different in any sport to be fair. :)
(Probably) true. But in cycling there's a culture of, "so what?" The riders don't care. It's quite telling I think that none of the other riders were outraged by any of those dope offenders. There has never been any, "Oh fuck, if it wasn't for that cheat I would have won this or that race myself." Probably because everyone was (is?) doing the same thing. I imagine that if in tennis a multiple slam champion is exposed to be a PED offender that his or her main rivals would show anger because his/her titles could have been theirs. And if said players wouldn't be outraged it would tell me that tennis has a PED problem that goes far beyond that one player and that everyone accepts it as part of the game, just like is obviously the case in cycling. The attitude of the fans is different as well. If one or more of the big guns in tennis would get caught taking PED it would really have a negative impact on the popularity of the game I think. But in cycling fans don't seem to care when you consider that none of these scandals (which have been a big part of road cycling for as long as since the 1960's) have harmed it's popularity in any shape or form. On the contrary - it continues to grow. Credibility is very low on their list of priorities.

Chrissie-fan
Aug 25th, 2012, 02:25 AM
Worth a listen. (http://velorooms.com/files/bbc_radio_five_live_ullman_slater_walsh_240812.mp3 )

David Walsh pretty much sums up how many (non casual) cycling fans have always felt about Wonderboy.
Thanks. I'm a casual fan at best (and even that is stretching it), but I have always felt about him like that. But it would be unfair of me to single hm out because I felt (and feel) the same way about everyone else involved in that sport, not just Lance Armstrong. I guess that he at least has some redeeming qualities considering his cancer foundation which has done some good work. That's no excuse though, but he's probably no worse than anyone else in road cycling.

Chrissie-fan
Aug 25th, 2012, 02:32 AM
who?

Bjarne Riis

Burisleif
Aug 25th, 2012, 03:23 AM
(Probably) true. But in cycling there's a culture of, "so what?" The riders don't care. It's quite telling I think that none of the other riders were outraged by any of those dope offenders. There has never been any, "Oh fuck, if it wasn't for that cheat I would have won this or that race myself." Probably because everyone was (is?) doing the same thing. I imagine that if in tennis a multiple slam champion is exposed to be a PED offender that his or her main rivals would show anger because his/her titles could have been theirs. And if said players wouldn't be outraged it would tell me that tennis has a PED problem that goes far beyond that one player and that everyone accepts it as part of the game, just like is obviously the case in cycling. The attitude of the fans is different as well. If one or more of the big guns in tennis would get caught taking PED it would really have a negative impact on the popularity of the game I think. But in cycling fans don't seem to care when you consider that none of these scandals (which have been a big part of road cycling for as long as since the 1960's) have harmed it's popularity in any shape or form. On the contrary - it continues to grow. Credibility is very low on their list of priorities.

I think there are plenty of clean cyclist that feel that way. Many off whom stated as much and were literally hounded out of the sport by Wonderboy. There is a difficult balance between protecting your career be it clean or not, and being outspoken, especially if as it appears that the system that is supposed to protect you is in fact colluding to write the results that suit them best financially. We now know that federations and governing bodies have acted to sweep "negative results" under the carpet for reasons of both National interest, and preservation of sponsorship and revenue. People still watch Athletics despite its crown jewel event having no credibility. Media fluff about new credibility at the Dollarympics was laughable and swallowed whole by the public. I personally see situations where National scientific prowess and or laxness of testing compliance is more relevant to a medal count than ability. What chance do small nations have? Where is the spirit of competition and inclusion? It's big money, big stakes, and politics. When a government pushes for medals and bases policy on National Prowess I smell collusion. As for tennis I don't know what state its in, but we all see differences in power from player to player, and yes you can argue technique etc, but when the experts suggest that 85% of testing needs to be out of competition, and its most prominent athletes are vocally opposed to such testing, and the Federation fails to test each athletes OC often enough to either meat that standard or frequently enough for missing the tests to ever result in action, then you have to question intent?

Burisleif
Aug 25th, 2012, 03:54 AM
Bjarne Riis

I don't know, it could be many...

If he did mean Riis then I would say the comparison is yet another (all to frequent recently), poorly thought out, and carelessly flippant remark.

On one hand we have a rider that went from day racer, to GT champion, and protective patron of rider rights in what is known to be the most highly fuelled period of cycling, to retiree, to protective team owner, to confessor (yes after the statute of limitation but voluntarily), to team manager that opened his doors to criticism and the then most critical and respected scientist to come and clean up, and test all you want at my expense so we can get this issue resolved once and for all.

On the other hand you have a rider that went from day racer to opportunist that seizes a sport in shock, litigates, denies, vilifies those that speak, ruins careers, colludes with federations, dominates with a team that he oversees the fortification of, uses his domination to appropriate funds, power, and political ambition, intimidates witnesses, and even when the ride is over uses his final outbursts to preserve doubt and loyalty among his many vulnerable followers, in an attempt to preserve a lie that pays his way.

It's not the doping and the national body that is the difference. Its the gravity of the conspiracy that has been addressed, which relates to the severity of the penalty each has or will receive. Hopefully there will be orange jump suits ahead, removal of the puppet at the federation, and the original puppet master really controls the federation, and the the removal of the brain behind the victories, and the doctors who pumped the fuel will finally be excluded from all practice, and their dossiers used to illustrate the breadth of sports and athletes involved in doping.

Allegedly :D He might be reading because he dose a lot of that... :)

Did you read that a few paralympians are going down following surveillance of Wonderboy's doctor? I was shocked but unsurprised.

Burisleif
Aug 25th, 2012, 04:59 AM
You can always count on The Onion (http://www.theonion.com/articles/lance-armstrong-lets-down-single-person-who-still,29313/) :D

TennisFan66
Aug 25th, 2012, 09:29 AM
Bjarne Riis

Good old 'I have never tested positive' Magic 60 ...

But there may be a new Danish TdF winner. Speculation in Danish papers that Michael Rasmussen aka Kyllingen (The chicken) will be elevated from a 7th place finish to overall TdF winner ... Just a tiny caveat to that. Rasmussen himself was later in his career pulled out of TdF by .. I think he was with Rabobank at the time, because he couldn't account for his whereabouts .. :tape:

If I remember correct, he claimed he was in Italy training, while actually in Mexico doing a bit of (blood) training.

terjw
Aug 25th, 2012, 12:46 PM
(Probably) true. But in cycling there's a culture of, "so what?" The riders don't care. It's quite telling I think that none of the other riders were outraged by any of those dope offenders. There has never been any, "Oh fuck, if it wasn't for that cheat I would have won this or that race myself." Probably because everyone was (is?) doing the same thing. I imagine that if in tennis a multiple slam champion is exposed to be a PED offender that his or her main rivals would show anger because his/her titles could have been theirs. And if said players wouldn't be outraged it would tell me that tennis has a PED problem that goes far beyond that one player and that everyone accepts it as part of the game, just like is obviously the case in cycling. The attitude of the fans is different as well. If one or more of the big guns in tennis would get caught taking PED it would really have a negative impact on the popularity of the game I think. But in cycling fans don't seem to care when you consider that none of these scandals (which have been a big part of road cycling for as long as since the 1960's) have harmed it's popularity in any shape or form. On the contrary - it continues to grow. Credibility is very low on their list of priorities.

Exactly. When the drug problems in cycling came to light - it was just one after another. If you wanted to make a joke about PED - it was invariably cycling. You had to laugh (or cry) as rider after rider was exposed everty TDF. The general feeling was they are all at it. Most important was how it was exposed that It was systematic in the teams. And I don't believe anyone was robbed of anything because they just all seemed at it. There was no indignation about someone on PEDs. Just indignation from the teams about getting caught and in later years the fake leaving the rider on his own with a "We knew nothing about this - he's fired now".

And as a result - whatever they do to Lance Armstrong. Stripping him of his TDF titles - whatever that even means - I will always regard him as one of the greatest cyclists along with Indurain and the other multi TDF winners who I believe were all on PEDs.

Cycling and other sports are different in this regard.

Burisleif
Aug 25th, 2012, 01:08 PM
Good old 'I have never tested positive' Magic 60 ...

But there may be a new Danish TdF winner. Speculation in Danish papers that Michael Rasmussen aka Kyllingen (The chicken) will be elevated from a 7th place finish to overall TdF winner ... Just a tiny caveat to that. Rasmussen himself was later in his career pulled out of TdF by .. I think he was with Rabobank at the time, because he couldn't account for his whereabouts .. :tape:

If I remember correct, he claimed he was in Italy training, while actually in Mexico doing a bit of (blood) training.

As strange as it is Chicken has no evidence against him... :) He did have Lienders (wiggos new dco), and talk of Frieburg prooved unfounded so far iirc.

Wasn't he at home in Italy when he has said he would be at his sisters wedding in Mexico for two weeks (he came back a week early)?

Alex is serving a suspension for missing a test despite being at a meet in Germany getting tested, and all in time for not apearing at the olympics and despite procedural errors and 100% suport that he nothing more than disorganised in extream, while Yannia still struts her stuff with a raquet.

Burisleif
Aug 25th, 2012, 01:25 PM
Exactly. When the drug problems in cycling came to light - it was just one after another. If you wanted to make a joke about PED - it was invariably cycling. You had to laugh (or cry) as rider after rider was exposed everty TDF. The general feeling was they are all at it. Most important was how it was exposed that It was systematic in the teams. And I don't believe anyone was robbed of anything because they just all seemed at it. There was no indignation about someone on PEDs. Just indignation from the teams about getting caught and in later years the fake leaving the rider on his own with a "We knew nothing about this - he's fired now".

And as a result - whatever they do to Lance Armstrong. Stripping him of his TDF titles - whatever that even means - I will always regard him as one of the greatest cyclists along with Indurain and the other multi TDF winners who I believe were all on PEDs.

Cycling and other sports are different in this regard.

Statistically they fail less tests per test carried out. Cycling was/is plagued for sure, but despite using more detectable drugs like EPO. Realistically Steroids are extreamly hard to detect after week of use... Which is why OOCT is crucial. Most Athletes caught are via non testing though. As for systematic team doping, don't forget BALCO, Chinese Olympic Team, and DDR teams. The Rowing team Coaches ofcourse now coach Team GB.

It would be extremely nieve to think other sports are cleaner, or less systematic.

Win at all costs is culpable.

Lance going down was crucial, because it wasn't just the doping, it was the sociopathic manipulation, culussion, corruption (covered up tests) and the message his false proclemations of super human inocence sent to both the other Athletes and the unsuspecting and gulible public. Hunting down and vilifying ex team mates and athletes that tested positive, and worse the vilification of clean athletes and personnel that dared suggest or who actually witnessed the reality of his situation.

Greatest cyclist... Please...

TennisFan66
Aug 25th, 2012, 02:01 PM
Exactly. When the drug problems in cycling came to light - it was just one after another. If you wanted to make a joke about PED - it was invariably cycling. You had to laugh (or cry) as rider after rider was exposed everty TDF. The general feeling was they are all at it. Most important was how it was exposed that It was systematic in the teams. And I don't believe anyone was robbed of anything because they just all seemed at it. There was no indignation about someone on PEDs. Just indignation from the teams about getting caught and in later years the fake leaving the rider on his own with a "We knew nothing about this - he's fired now".

And as a result - whatever they do to Lance Armstrong. Stripping him of his TDF titles - whatever that even means - I will always regard him as one of the greatest cyclists along with Indurain and the other multi TDF winners who I believe were all on PEDs.

Cycling and other sports are different in this regard.

Indurain and Bjarne Riis won their TdF victories before the UCI limited the legal hematorcrit level to 50. Hematocrit level is volume of red blood cells in the blood and is normally around 40% for women, 45% for men.

Bjarne Riis was called 'Magic 60' for a reason ;) Indurain was another extreme case. His resting pulse was sub 30 bpm. Naturally part of this being his physical shape. Another being his blood was so thick, it slowed his heart rate. It's sort of common knowledge, Indurain, during nights, had to get up with few hours intervals to exercise. If he didn't, he would simply die :shrug:

Your argument is : Others did the same, so it was a level playing field, why these are great champions. NO, imho. They won, because they were willing to take the biggest risks (pump their blood up to be as thick as possibly, but still just barely flowing).

Needless to say, I don't know the reason for USADA to go after Armstrong but his 'whiter than white' attitude, when others were caught alone, could be enough reason to take him down. Armstrong is, imho, the sport version of Bernie Madoff.

Burisleif
Aug 25th, 2012, 02:42 PM
Needless to say, I don't know the reason for USADA to go after Armstrong but his 'whiter than white' attitude, when others were caught alone, could be enough reason to take him down. Armstrong is, imho, the sport version of Bernie Madoff.

USADA are just doing their job. :) They have the testimonies and the evidence so it would be strange if they didn't go after him. We are talking fraud, conspiracy, trafficking, witness intimidation, etc. not just doping. Further, they weren't just going after LA, the case also involved his (still active) team manager Bruyneel (team RSNT), doctors (both now banned for life as would be any athlete contacting them), and the still active riders, and ex team mates (retired), ex team mates now managers, and team staff that gave testimony, and whom are all expected to be given suspensions as well. That's LA 2x Doctor, 1x Manager, and at least 13 others.

Allegedly :lol:

RE HC: According to testimony EPO use can be masked with the aid of altitude tents... (I bet Muttonchops is glad he showed off his personal tent to the world).

RE HC2: Interestingly there are some families being studied in northern europe that have extraordinarily high natural HC levels (iirc 60%+), and it's possible to get a TUE to exceed 50%. IIRC the 50% rule was replaced. Obviously exercise should lower your HC which is why topping up was so effective.

terjw
Aug 25th, 2012, 03:44 PM
Statistically they fail less tests per test carried out. Cycling was/is plagued for sure, but despite using more detectable drugs like EPO. Realistically Steroids are extreamly hard to detect after week of use... Which is why OOCT is crucial. Most Athletes caught are via non testing though. As for systematic team doping, don't forget BALCO, Chinese Olympic Team, and DDR teams. The Rowing team Coaches ofcourse now coach Team GB.

It would be extremely nieve to think other sports are cleaner, or less systematic.

Win at all costs is culpable.

Lance going down was crucial, because it wasn't just the doping, it was the sociopathic manipulation, culussion, corruption (covered up tests) and the message his false proclemations of super human inocence sent to both the other Athletes and the unsuspecting and gulible public. Hunting down and vilifying ex team mates and athletes that tested positive, and worse the vilification of clean athletes and personnel that dared suggest or who actually witnessed the reality of his situation.

Greatest cyclist... Please...

Whatever. :rolleyes: Unless you dismiss the lot - I think it will in general be seen as hollow just stripping Armstrong of his titles and it will come to be meaningless. And please put your glasses on and actually read my posts. I did not say he was the greates cyclist but one of the greatest cyclist.

As for being naive to think it isn't rife in other sports. Well no. They were catching cyclists left, right and centre to the extent that the TDF became the butt of jokes on PEDs. That was not happening in other sports. Common sense and statistics dictates that the numbers caught reflect how rife it is in each sport.

If you want to believe cycling and other sports are the same with PED problems - that's up to you. That's not how it's seen by most people.

Burisleif
Aug 25th, 2012, 05:42 PM
Whatever. :rolleyes: Unless you dismiss the lot - I think it will in general be seen as hollow just stripping Armstrong of his titles and it will come to be meaningless. And please put your glasses on and actually read my posts. I did not say he was the greates cyclist but one of the greatest cyclist.

As for being naive to think it isn't rife in other sports. Well no. They were catching cyclists left, right and centre to the extent that the TDF became the butt of jokes on PEDs. That was not happening in other sports. Common sense and statistics dictates that the numbers caught reflect how rife it is in each sport.

If you want to believe cycling and other sports are the same with PED problems - that's up to you. That's not how it's seen by most people.

BALCO.

Protoss
Aug 28th, 2012, 03:43 AM
There's live tennis still going on at the US Open but no channel in the US is airing it. :rolleyes: Espn 2 stopped coverage after Fed's match and Tennis Channel airing their recap show. It's not that I want to see these matches, it's just the principle of it.

DownInAHole
Aug 28th, 2012, 06:54 AM
There's live tennis still going on at the US Open but no channel in the US is airing it. :rolleyes: Espn 2 stopped coverage after Fed's match and Tennis Channel airing their recap show. It's not that I want to see these matches, it's just the principle of it.

Weren't they just showing Kim and Roger? After their matches ended why would they show any other matches?

Protoss
Aug 28th, 2012, 07:09 AM
Weren't they just showing Kim and Roger? After their matches ended why would they show any other matches?
I believe they've said they would cover the tournament til the end of play for a day. :shrug:

DownInAHole
Aug 28th, 2012, 07:17 AM
I believe they've said they would cover the tournament til the end of play for a day. :shrug:

Did they cut off any matches when they ended their coverage? That I find annoying, particularly when there are multiple ESPN channels.

Protoss
Aug 28th, 2012, 09:18 AM
Did they cut off any matches when they ended their coverage? That I find annoying, particularly when there are multiple ESPN channels.
No, I don't think they did.

TennisFan66
Aug 30th, 2012, 04:45 PM
Champions League, Group D : Real Madrid, Ajax, Man City and Dortmund .... That is some group.

Jimmie48
Aug 30th, 2012, 04:52 PM
I was praying for that to happen! The worst for us what have been a group that would have been perceived as "easy", that would have meant a lot of pressure.

Now, getting past the group stage would be a monster accomplishment and make our season no matter what, I`ve we don't get anywhere we can concentrate on the league again... just perfect :)

TennisFan66
Aug 30th, 2012, 04:52 PM
Full Champions League draw :

Group A: Porto, Dynamo Kiev, Paris St Germain, Dinamo Zagreb.
Group B: Arsenal, Schalke, Olympiakos, Montpellier.
Group C: AC Milan, Zenit St Petersburg, Anderlecht, Malaga.
Group D: Real Madrid, Manchester City, Ajax, Borussia Dortmund.
Group E: Chelsea, Shakhtar Donetsk, Juventus, FC Nordsjaelland.
Group F: Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille, BATE Borisov.
Group G: Barcelona, Benfica, Spartak Moscow, Celtic.
Group H: Manchester United, Braga, Galatasaray, CFR Cluj.

Teams to progress in black. You saw it here first :)

PS Picked Dortmund for Jimmie and I can't stand Chelsea (and Money City).

Jimmie48
Aug 30th, 2012, 04:54 PM
Fun fact, our most not-beloved neighbor has gotten our last year's group if you replace Montpellier with Marseille.

TennisFan66
Aug 30th, 2012, 04:59 PM
Fun fact, our most not-beloved neighbor has gotten our last year's group if you replace Montpellier with Marseille.

Serious question ... Why was Bayern level 1 seeded and Schalke level 2, but Dortmund only level 4 .. same level as footballing mights, FC Nordsjælland :lol: One would assume a German champion deserved a little more recognition or is the CL seeding purely on back of previous CL matches?

Jimmie48
Aug 30th, 2012, 05:02 PM
Serious question ... Why was Bayern level 1 seeded and Schalke level 2, but Dortmund only level 4 .. same level as footballing mights as FC Nordsjælland :lol: One would assume a German champion deserved a little more recognition or is the CL seeding purely on back of previous CL matches?

The seeding is based on international level performance from the last five years.

Since the near-collapse of the club in 2005, Dortmund hadn't played internationally for a full five years, hence we basically started with a blank sheet. Bayern on the other hand are stalwart competitors in CL and even Schalke did luck out to make the SF a few years ago.

TennisFan66
Aug 30th, 2012, 05:10 PM
The seeding is based on international level performance from the last five years.

Since the near-collapse of the club in 2005, Dortmund hadn't played internationally for a full five years, hence we basically started with a blank sheet. Bayern on the other hand are stalwart competitors in CL and even Schalke did luck out to make the SF a few years ago.

Ta. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Real go through with Dortmund .. whenever a money club loses, it's a good day for football :devil:

bruce goose
Aug 31st, 2012, 04:23 AM
Full Champions League draw :

Group A: Porto, Dynamo Kiev, Paris St Germain, Dinamo Zagreb.
Group B: Arsenal, Schalke, Olympiakos, Montpellier.
Group C: AC Milan, Zenit St Petersburg, Anderlecht, Malaga.
Group D: Real Madrid, Manchester City, Ajax, Borussia Dortmund.
Group E: Chelsea, Shakhtar Donetsk, Juventus, FC Nordsjaelland.
Group F: Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille, BATE Borisov.
Group G: Barcelona, Benfica, Spartak Moscow, Celtic.
Group H: Manchester United, Braga, Galatasaray, CFR Cluj.

Teams to progress in black. You saw it here first :)Hey,where are all the American teams:confused:???.....:haha:Sorry for the interruption;I couldn't resist:angel:

Protoss
Aug 31st, 2012, 05:13 AM
Hey,where are all the American teams:confused:???.....:haha:Sorry for the interrumption;I couldn't resist:angel:
They're playing real sports not soccer/football. :p

DownInAHole
Aug 31st, 2012, 10:42 AM
Anyone at all interested that Andy Roddick is retiring? He hasn't been much of a factor the last few years but at least he was an entertaining personality, something that the ATP is lacking in. When he first became a top player circa 2002-2004 I really disliked him but eventually I came around and became sommewhat of a fan. Maybe it was sympathy seeing him lose over and over to Federer?

Looking at how the top players from that generation are currently faring (Roddick, Lleyton Hewitt, Juan Carlos Ferrero, David Nalbandian, Nikolay Davydenko) it really does make it all the more remarkable what Federer has been able to accomplish. I guess you could say that he has been very lucky that he hasn't had any major injuries. It's really a shame though that the others I mentioned weren't able to win more slams and it's too bad that so many careers are cut short/interrupted due to injury.

TennisFan66
Aug 31st, 2012, 11:18 AM
Anyone at all interested that Andy Roddick is retiring?

Long time ago, I saw a feature about Roddick ... taped from his home in Miami. He was playing around in his monster speedboat. Despite the obvious 'rich brat showing off his toys' parallel, he actually came across as quite likable. At least to me.

bruce goose
Aug 31st, 2012, 11:59 AM
They're playing real sports not soccer/football. :pTHat's blatant ass-kissing,Protoss,cuz you already admitted that you were an NFL fan in the Off-topic thread;).Besides,in Mexican Spanish,'soccer-football' refers to soccer and NOT the NFL so you messed that one up:lol:

TennisFan66
Aug 31st, 2012, 12:44 PM
Something I've never understood. Why do you Americans call it 'football', when you're allowed to use your hands? ;)

Chrissie-fan
Aug 31st, 2012, 02:20 PM
Anyone at all interested that Andy Roddick is retiring? He hasn't been much of a factor the last few years but at least he was an entertaining personality, something that the ATP is lacking in. When he first became a top player circa 2002-2004 I really disliked him but eventually I came around and became sommewhat of a fan. Maybe it was sympathy seeing him lose over and over to Federer?

Looking at how the top players from that generation are currently faring (Roddick, Lleyton Hewitt, Juan Carlos Ferrero, David Nalbandian, Nikolay Davydenko) it really does make it all the more remarkable what Federer has been able to accomplish. I guess you could say that he has been very lucky that he hasn't had any major injuries. It's really a shame though that the others I mentioned weren't able to win more slams and it's too bad that so many careers are cut short/interrupted due to injury.
Yeah, some might say that he underachieved a bit, but I don't really agree with that. He always had a rather limited game but made the most of what he had because he was a good competitor. And he of course had the missfortune to always bump into Roger. But if you take Fed out of the equation he was the best of his generation in terms of longevity at or near the top. He was top ten for almost a decade - much longer than Hewitt, Nalbundian, Ferrero, Safin or any of the others. Obviously his career would have felt more complete if he had managed to win that 2009 Wimbledon final, but on the other hand, just to have been a part of that match was quite something. I think he did well for himself. Yeah, good competitor, interesting personality - I'll miss him. Let's hope that he can have a good run here to finish his career on a high note.

bruce goose
Aug 31st, 2012, 06:20 PM
Something I've never understood. Why do you Americans call it 'football', when you're allowed to use your hands? ;)You Brits can blame yourSELVES for THAT:nerner:.According to some research I did(though,to be fair,record keeping in the 1800s wasn't what it is today--and rumor often passes for fact),there was a split in England between those who wanted to use their hands more in football and those who preferred to keep the traditional rules.Obviously,the latter was in the majority,yet the split yielded two sporting names: Association Football(Soccer) and Rugby Football.When the Gringos started playing the more physical style at the collegiate level following their Civil War,they simply abbreviated 'rugby football' to football.

It's not totally illogical to imagine the connection as you can see that there are 11 to a side in each sport(not counting the clown college version that DIAH's folks:lol: play which allow TWELVE);the end line is called the 'Goal line';and the structure through which the ball is kicked is called the 'Goalposts'.Further,before the forward pass was legalized,scoring was at a premium---just as it so often,boringly so,is in European/S.American football.The game was VERY much like rugby and a large amount of the points WERE made by kicking the ball with the foot

As you might guess,I'm not gonna waste my time explaining this again:lol:;I'll merely link to this post whenever some European joins our forum and asks the EXACT same question in 2 or 3 months:p

Oh...and,I had a friend who was a line judge in the U.S.,and Roddick is a Smegma Cheese Prick.It's rare that I take pleasure in someone else's failure but,if ANY asshole deserved to be remembered for his failures more than his successes,it's rod-DICK-head(lol)....Adios,pendejo

Protoss
Aug 31st, 2012, 07:00 PM
THat's blatant ass-kissing,Protoss,cuz you already admitted that you were an NFL fan in the Off-topic thread;).Besides,in Mexican Spanish,'soccer-football' refers to soccer and NOT the NFL so you messed that one up:lol:
That wasn't ass-kissing, it was just bashing soccer/football. :p

I wasn't referring to the Nfl but using either the American or international term for the sport. :shrug:

bruce goose
Aug 31st, 2012, 07:14 PM
That wasn't ass-kissing, it was just bashing soccer/football. :p

I wasn't referring to the Nfl but using either the American or international term for the sport. :shrug:NOW you can see another reason why I thought you were European:p...perhaps someone who was merely BORN in the U.S. to European parents.I lived there over THIRTY years and...not even ONCE did I ever hear a gringo call the sport 'soccer football':lol:.I heard some LATINOS who were living in the U.S. refer to it that way and,here in the north of Mexico,we use both 'futbol' and 'soccer futbol' b/c the NFL is quite popular here...not #1,of course,but within the Top 5 spectator sports.There's a gal in Dementieva's forum who's from the middle of our country(much farther from the U.S.),and you could ask HER if they ever say it as 'soccer futbol'(I don't travel much anymore).....Anyway,you have a right to your privacy so i won't compel you to discuss that:angel:

Chrissie-fan
Sep 1st, 2012, 01:53 AM
Good match from Andy Roddick today, but that Tomic guy really folded like a napkin. I know he's hyped up to be a future great, but if he caves in that easily I don't think it will happen for him. I can see Raonic going all the way to the top but when it comes to Tomic - going on the evidence of this match I'm not so sure. He had no fight in him. But it's just one match, so we'll see...

Protoss
Sep 1st, 2012, 02:24 AM
NOW you can see another reason why I thought you were European:p...perhaps someone who was merely BORN in the U.S. to European parents.I lived there over THIRTY years and...not even ONCE did I ever hear a gringo call the sport 'soccer football':lol:.I heard some LATINOS who were living in the U.S. refer to it that way and,here in the north of Mexico,we use both 'futbol' and 'soccer futbol' b/c the NFL is quite popular here...not #1,of course,but within the Top 5 spectator sports.There's a gal in Dementieva's forum who's from the middle of our country(much farther from the U.S.),and you could ask HER if they ever say it as 'soccer futbol'(I don't travel much anymore).....Anyway,you have a right to your privacy so i won't compel you to discuss that:angel:
Heh. I actually did live in Europe for a bit when i was a kid.

TennisFan66
Sep 1st, 2012, 11:37 AM
Spa, quali ... half an hour to go :bounce:

bruce goose
Sep 1st, 2012, 12:46 PM
Heh. I actually did live in Europe for a bit when i was a kid.It shows;you talk more like a European than a gringo so your time there must have had some influence on you;)....oh,and I won't complain:angel: if you want to use this as Federer live scores thread :p

DownInAHole
Sep 1st, 2012, 01:02 PM
Good match from Andy Roddick today, but that Tomic guy really folded like a napkin. I know he's hyped up to be a future great, but if he caves in that easily I don't think it will happen for him. I can see Raonic going all the way to the top but when it comes to Tomic - going on the evidence of this match I'm not so sure. He had no fight in him. But it's just one match, so we'll see...

At one point John McEnroe suggested that he should be fined for lack of effort. I tend to agree. Especially in the third set it was obvious that he wasn't trying. A lot of his shots looked very lazy and casual and he wasn't moving very well.

Protoss
Sep 1st, 2012, 07:19 PM
These scab refs in the NFL suck. :(

terjw
Sep 1st, 2012, 08:18 PM
Absolutely awful from Murray. Two sets us and 4-2 up - he has just lost 4 games in a row. He can't hold his serve for the life of him when usually he's strong there. And he doesn't look like he can break serve. In fact he can hardly win a single point and went completely passive. And after 4-2 up.

If he gets through this - he's not getting any further playing like that. All he had to do was serve it out.

DownInAHole
Sep 1st, 2012, 08:28 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about Murray yet. The top seeds almost always get through these kinds of matches. I think he's got a great chance to win his first slam here and he must realise that. Usually he would have to beat Federer/Djokovic/Nadal in the semis and then face Federer/Nadal/Djokovic in the final but this year with no Nadal he won't face any of them until the finals and whoever comes out of the other side will likely have had a tough semi. Of course he still has to get that far but he shouldn't be lacking in motivation.

Having said all of that I also thought that Tsonga had a great chance to make the final.:unsure:

Protoss
Sep 1st, 2012, 08:40 PM
Absolutely awful from Murray. Two sets us and 4-2 up - he has just lost 4 games in a row. He can't hold his serve for the life of him when usually he's strong there. And he doesn't look like he can break serve. In fact he can hardly win a single point and went completely passive. And after 4-2 up.

If he gets through this - he's not getting any further playing like that. All he had to do was serve it out.
Is Murray whinging?

bruce goose
Sep 2nd, 2012, 05:22 AM
At one point John McEnroe suggested that he should be fined for lack of effort. I tend to agree. Especially in the third set it was obvious that he wasn't trying. A lot of his shots looked very lazy and casual and he wasn't moving very well.What about fining Ana for the Montreal disgrace??My guess is that the WTA would be reluctant to fine her because it would reveal their own culpability in pushing/promoting someone into a prominent position(supposed future queen of women's tennis)that she clearly was not worthy to fill.Ironically,I wanted her to win today:lol: b/c I had a sort of side wager that almost required her to pull it out.It wasn't exactly a wager,per se,but it's too complicated to explain here so I simplified:angel:.....Btw,why DOES the CFL play with 12 guys...ask Rebecca--she likes physical sports so she might know...and while you're at it,ask her if she's had any luck with her masseur search;)

Chrissie-fan
Sep 2nd, 2012, 12:14 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about Murray yet. The top seeds almost always get through these kinds of matches. I think he's got a great chance to win his first slam here and he must realise that. Usually he would have to beat Federer/Djokovic/Nadal in the semis and then face Federer/Nadal/Djokovic in the final but this year with no Nadal he won't face any of them until the finals and whoever comes out of the other side will likely have had a tough semi. Of course he still has to get that far but he shouldn't be lacking in motivation.

Yes he will. Murray is in Federer's half of the draw.

DownInAHole
Sep 2nd, 2012, 12:57 PM
Yes he will. Murray is in Federer's half of the draw.

Whoops, right you are. My mistake. The only defence I can offer is that I have become accustomed to Djokovic and Federer being on one half and Nadal and Murray being on the other half.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 2nd, 2012, 02:39 PM
Whoops, right you are. My mistake. The only defence I can offer is that I have become accustomed to Djokovic and Federer being on one half and Nadal and Murray being on the other half.
I wouldn't look past Raonic if I was Murray. But if both Murray and Federer make it to the semis I can imagine them hitting the living daylights out of each other for five sets on Saturday and then the winner having to face Djokovic on Sunday after he had a routine win himself. If that happens they may just as well give the trophee to Novak before the match even started. Scenarios like that are always possible at the USO because of their fruitcake scheduling.

DownInAHole
Sep 2nd, 2012, 02:57 PM
I still really like Murray's chances even if he does have to go through both Federer and Djokovic. Obviously Murray has had his problems with Federer at the slams but he really had a convincing win at the Olympics and he has plenty of hardcourt wins over Roger. Novak is still a great player but not nearly as unbeatable as he was for most of 2011. It won't be easy but I do think Murray can do it.

Of course there is no guarantee that all three of them will even make the semis. Recent history suggests that they will all make it but upsets do happen. I am still hoping that del Potro can get back to where he was when he won in 2009, if he makes it that far maybe he can take out Novak in the quarters?

DownInAHole
Sep 2nd, 2012, 04:35 PM
Poor Lleyton, he was so close to winning that first set.

DownInAHole
Sep 2nd, 2012, 08:55 PM
Andy wins again. At the very least he's having a better exit than Agassi had. I'm usually a little turned off by the partisan coverage of the American players but I have to admit that I am really into this. I'm not sure how much of a chance he has against del Potro, I suspect there will be some tiebreaks.

Trey
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:04 PM
Hi Guys Have anyone Have ever been too BNP PARIBAS OPEN, I saving up too go to it next year for 2013, Gotta see my faves Caro, Anna, Vika, Aggie, Genie, Sloane And others, but my question is the seats tickets are Courtside Box, Front Box, Loge, Stadium 2 and Grandstand, will I be able too get a good view of the tennis matches from these seat and will I be able too get and autograph from my faves this will be my first tennis event that I going too.

Protoss
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:05 PM
Andy wins again. At the very least he's having a better exit than Agassi had. I'm usually a little turned off by the partisan coverage of the American players but I have to admit that I am really into this. I'm not sure how much of a chance he has against del Potro, I suspect there will be some tiebreaks.
Yah, it was rather undignified going out to Becker. :rolleyes:

I don't think he has a good chance against Del Potro. I think he might take a set though.

DownInAHole
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:39 PM
Hi Guys Have anyone Have ever been too BNP PARIBAS OPEN, I saving up too go to it next year for 2013, Gotta see my faves Caro, Anna, Vika, Aggie, Genie, Sloane And others, but my question is the seats tickets are Courtside Box, Front Box, Loge, Stadium 2 and Grandstand, will I be able too get a good view of the tennis matches from these seat and will I be able too get and autograph from my faves this will be my first tennis event that I going too.

Sorry, I can't help you but you might have better luck starting a new thread and asking in GM. If you don't want to do that maybe you could look at some of the threads from this years event and PM some of the posters who were there? There are tons of people here, surely some one can help you and give you the information you are looking for. How soon do you need the information?

DownInAHole
Sep 2nd, 2012, 09:44 PM
Yah, it was rather undignified going out to Becker. :rolleyes:

I don't think he has a good chance against Del Potro. I think he might take a set though.

I think he has a shot if he plays aggressively like he did against Tomic. Granted, Tomic played very poorly but Roddick was coming in to net quite a bit and putting pressure on Tomic. Today he played a bit more from the baseline and the match was significantly closer. del Potro should be considered the favourite but maybe Roddick can use the crowd to give him a boost.

DownInAHole
Sep 3rd, 2012, 09:08 AM
Huh, Isner is out. I'm definitely not a fan but he had a fairly good chance of making his first grand slam semi-final. No doubt about it his serve is a huge weapon but his return game is a bit of a liability.

TennisFan66
Sep 3rd, 2012, 11:28 AM
What a disappointing Spa F1 race :( First corner and that plonker to Grosjean drives into Hamilton, who ricochetes back into Grosjean, who then in turn takes out Perez and Nando. Grosjean car flying over Nando's Ferrari and missing Nando's head by less than a meter.

First race ban to a driver since 1994. Serves him right.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 3rd, 2012, 01:05 PM
Huh, Isner is out. I'm definitely not a fan but he had a fairly good chance of making his first grand slam semi-final. No doubt about it his serve is a huge weapon but his return game is a bit of a liability.
I didn't see the Isner match, but I think his biggest obstacle to really go deep in the slams is that starting from round one he never has any easy wins. Usually all his matches are four or five sets and more often than not tiebreak sets at that. Him having to spend so much time on court early on and him having to spend so much physical and emotional energy is always likely to cost him later on in the tournament.

DownInAHole
Sep 3rd, 2012, 01:30 PM
I didn't see the Isner match, but I think his biggest obstacle to really go deep in the slams is that starting from round one he never has any easy wins. Usually all his matches are four or five sets and more often than not tiebreak sets at that. Him having to spend so much time on court early on and him having to spend so much physical and emotional energy is always likely to cost him later on in the tournament.

Yup, definitely. I would argue that those long matches and tiebreak sets are due in part to his poor returns. He's usually pretty good at holding his own serve but he can't break his opponents often enough. I mean no offence towards Mahut but during that Wimbledon match shouldn't Isner have been capable of breaking him more often? Mahut hardly has one of the best serves on the tour. Everyone focused on how amazing it was that the match lasted that long, and it was amazing, but I thought it was more notable that Isner had such a struggle against a relatively easy opponent. Mahut had already played three qualifying matches just to get into the main draw one of which was a five setter and another he won 24-22 in the final set. Most any other top twenty player would have taken advantage of that and won that match in three sets but Isner killed himself winning it and had nothing left in the second round.

terjw
Sep 3rd, 2012, 09:59 PM
What a disappointing Spa F1 race :( First corner and that plonker to Grosjean drives into Hamilton, who ricochetes back into Grosjean, who then in turn takes out Perez and Nando. Grosjean car flying over Nando's Ferrari and missing Nando's head by less than a meter.

First race ban to a driver since 1994. Serves him right.

I was really annoyed at Grosjean veering across to the other side of the track to pile into Lewis like a lunatic. What's wrong with the guy on the starting grid. How many accidents has he had from the starting grid this year? He just doesn't engage brain at the start. And his crazy stunt put out two world champions - Lewis and Fernado. And that ruined it for me. And as you say. Very dangerous "Grosjean car flying over Nando's Ferrari and missing Nando's head by less than a meter."

And what about that that stunt Michael Schumacher pulled on Vettel suddenly cutting across him and darting into the pit-lane when Vettel was trying to overtake. Pretty horrible. Rumoured that Schumacher is retiring the end of this season. I really don't like some of these dangerous stunts he's pulled in his comeback.

TennisFan66
Sep 5th, 2012, 09:47 AM
Tyler Hamilton's book 'The Secret Race' is released today.

There's been snippets in some of the Danish papers, implicating Riis and Weltz in the PED race, even of course the main topic is likely to be Lance Armstrong and US Postal.

TennisFan66
Sep 5th, 2012, 09:50 AM
I was really annoyed at Grosjean veering across to the other side of the track to pile into Lewis like a lunatic. What's wrong with the guy on the starting grid. How many accidents has he had from the starting grid this year?

I think I read, Grosjean has been involved in 1st corner incidents in 8 out of 12 races. If that's now 9 and 13, I am not sure .. Suffice to say, he's dangerous to be around at the start.

I don't know about Schumie. The retirement rumour has been running since his 1st race back, so we'll see. When he's had a working car, which unfortunately hasn't been the case for too many races, he's proved he can still slug it out with the young guns. I gotta say, I admire him for that.

postalblowfish
Sep 5th, 2012, 05:16 PM
Full Champions League draw :

Group A: Porto, Dynamo Kiev, Paris St Germain, Dinamo Zagreb.
Group B: Arsenal, Schalke, Olympiakos, Montpellier.
Group C: AC Milan, Zenit St Petersburg, Anderlecht, Malaga.
Group D: Real Madrid, Manchester City, Ajax, Borussia Dortmund.
Group E: Chelsea, Shakhtar Donetsk, Juventus, FC Nordsjaelland.
Group F: Bayern Munich, Valencia, Lille, BATE Borisov.
Group G: Barcelona, Benfica, Spartak Moscow, Celtic.
Group H: Manchester United, Braga, Galatasaray, CFR Cluj.

Teams to progress in black. You saw it here first :)

PS Picked Dortmund for Jimmie and I can't stand Chelsea (and Money City).

Pretty much agree with that, except for a few picks. I'd pick City over Dortmund. If you put their two starting line-ups side-by-side how many of Dortmund's team would you pick over City's? Although, am I right in thinking Dortmund are a good counter-attacking side? Since City aren't great at the back (let in quite a few goals already this season).

And also I dunno that Juve are the team they were. I think Chelsea should get out of that group. Malaga and Montpellier might surprise a few people.

TennisFan66
Sep 5th, 2012, 06:19 PM
And also I dunno that Juve are the team they were.

I did give a disclaimer for some of my picks ;) .. As for Juve, they now have Bendtner :tape: (If news paper articles are true, he had to accept a 50% cut in his Arsenal wage just to find a club, who'd take him on a 1 year loan deal).

Saying that. €1.5 mill in yearly salary isn't bad and he'll be on the best seat in the house :lol:

DownInAHole
Sep 5th, 2012, 08:05 PM
Roddick wins the first set tiebreak very comfortably (7-1). Obviously it was crucial for him to win the first set. I still can't see him winning the match but I would like to see him go out to one of the big three and it very much looks like he would have Djokovic in the next round.

postalblowfish
Sep 5th, 2012, 08:43 PM
I did give a disclaimer for some of my picks ;) .. As for Juve, they now have Bendtner :tape: (If news paper articles are true, he had to accept a 50% cut in his Arsenal wage just to find a club, who'd take him on a 1 year loan deal).

Saying that. €1.5 mill in yearly salary isn't bad and he'll be on the best seat in the house :lol:

Bendtner might fit in well in Serie A. Reasonably strong, direct style which is probably useful against Catenaccio defences.

Sunderland to Juventus is a big leap though.

Protoss
Sep 5th, 2012, 08:52 PM
3rd set has gotten away from Roddick...Roddick broken for 0-3 3rd set after being up 30-0 at 0-2.

Protoss
Sep 5th, 2012, 09:07 PM
Del Potro holds for 6-2 3rd set. Can Roddick find another rally in him?

DownInAHole
Sep 5th, 2012, 09:44 PM
Do my eyes deceive me or is that Pippa Middleton in Andy Roddick's box sitting right beside his parents?

Protoss
Sep 5th, 2012, 09:58 PM
Del Potro holds for 6-4 4th set at love and so ends Roddick's career.

I think the 2nd set tiebreak decided the match. :shrug:

terjw
Sep 5th, 2012, 10:04 PM
Del Potro holds for 6-4 4th set at love and so ends Roddick's career.

I think the 2nd set tiebreak decided the match. :shrug:

Shame. I was hoping otherwise. So 7 of the top 8 seeds through to the QF then.

Trey
Sep 5th, 2012, 10:08 PM
Happy that Del Potro won but at the same time very sad too see one my faves Andy Roddick go & retire from tennis, he legend in Tennis

Protoss
Sep 5th, 2012, 10:38 PM
Disgusted by Cilic. From up a set and 5-1 30-15 on Murray's serve with a set point at 5-2 40-30 to down 5-6. :rolleyes:

DownInAHole
Sep 5th, 2012, 10:45 PM
It is not really very surprising. I honestly did not think that Murray would win the second set but I did think that he still had a great chance to win the match in five sets. The top players in the ATP are much, much better than the rest of the field. There is a reason you usually see the same three or four guys in the semi-finals.

Protoss
Sep 5th, 2012, 10:53 PM
Cilic loses the 2nd set tiebreak 4-7 after leading 4-2. :rolleyes:

It's now a question of how few games Mugrin will win in the next two sets. :rolleyes:

Trey
Sep 5th, 2012, 10:54 PM
Great COmeback From Murray Keep it up

Protoss
Sep 5th, 2012, 10:57 PM
What class from Murray to do comeons on double faults. :rolleyes:

Trey
Sep 5th, 2012, 10:58 PM
Really Hope One day soon Raonic, Tsonga, Isner, Dimitrov, Tomic, Berdych will breakthrough and win a Slam

Protoss
Sep 5th, 2012, 11:33 PM
Upset pick: Berdych over Fed in 4. :shrug:

Chrissie-fan
Sep 6th, 2012, 12:28 AM
What class from Murray to do comeons on double faults. :rolleyes:
It's a battlefield, not a tea party. :shrug:

Protoss
Sep 6th, 2012, 12:32 AM
Nfl season about to get started! :)

Trey
Sep 6th, 2012, 01:41 AM
Berdych won first set keep it going Berdych

Protoss
Sep 6th, 2012, 02:19 AM
Sigh. Berdych holds for 6-4 2nd set at love. :( Fed led 3-1 in the 1st set but lost the 1st set tiebreak 7-1. :( Berdych led 5-2 (double break) in the 2nd set.

Protoss
Sep 6th, 2012, 02:54 AM
Fed holds for 6-3 3rd set at 40-30 from 30-0 to 30-15 to 40-15. :) Fed was down 3-1 3rd set.

If this match goes 5, I like Fed's chances of winning.

Protoss
Sep 6th, 2012, 03:32 AM
Sigh. Berdych holds for 6-3 4th set at love. :( Fed held for 1-1 4th set from 0-30 down, Berdych held for 3-2 4th from 0-30 down. Fed was broken for 3-5 4th set at 30-40 from 15-30 to 30-30.

This is the 1st Fed has lost before the semis of a hard court slam since 2003. :sad:

Fed wasn't broken in Cincinnati and only broken once in his 1st 3 matches at the US Open. Today he was broken in all 4 sets for a total of 5 times. :(

CWTennis
Sep 6th, 2012, 03:45 AM
Upset pick: Berdych over Fed in 4. :shrug:

you were right! :fiery:

Trey
Sep 6th, 2012, 03:50 AM
Yeah Berdych

bruce goose
Sep 6th, 2012, 04:50 AM
Pretty much agree with that, except for a few picks. I'd pick City over Dortmund. If you put their two starting line-ups side-by-side how many of Dortmund's team would you pick over City's? Although, am I right in thinking Dortmund are a good counter-attacking side? Since City aren't great at the back (let in quite a few goals already this season).

And also I dunno that Juve are the team they were. I think Chelsea should get out of that group. Malaga and Montpellier might surprise a few people.Just realized how rare it was to get expert cyborg penguin commentary in the booths nowadays....it's hard to find at TF,too,so come around and see us more often:)

@ Protoss: Sorry that your fave lost....not EXTREMELY sorry,but as sorry as I can get over ATP:lol:

DownInAHole
Sep 6th, 2012, 07:12 AM
So, another Djokovic/Murray final it is.

TennisFan66
Sep 6th, 2012, 08:56 AM
Do my eyes deceive me or is that Pippa Middleton in Andy Roddick's box sitting right beside his parents?

There was stories in Brit papers she was a guest of Federer. Maybe she's managed to get herself in with Roddick too. No box can withstand the tenacity of a determined social climber.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 6th, 2012, 11:35 AM
So, another Djokovic/Murray final it is.

Or Berdych/del Potro.

As far as I'm concerned Murray can have his slam title now.

Protoss
Sep 6th, 2012, 05:13 PM
Just realized how rare it was to get expert cyborg penguin commentary in the booths nowadays....it's hard to find at TF,too,so come around and see us more often:)

@ Protoss: Sorry that your fave lost....not EXTREMELY sorry,but as sorry as I can get over ATP:lol:
Thanks I think. :p

I guess it's how it should be. A past his prime 31 year old probably shouldn't be dominating the tour. :shrug:

Protoss
Sep 6th, 2012, 05:17 PM
Or Berdych/del Potro.

As far as I'm concerned Murray can have his slam title now.
I'd kind of prefer Berdych to win. I'd like to see a shakeup/chaos near the top of the Atp. :p

I find Murray unlikeable so I'd rather he not win it. :shrug:

Chrissie-fan
Sep 6th, 2012, 05:33 PM
I'd kind of prefer Berdych to win. I'd like to see a shakeup/chaos near the top of the Atp. :p

I find Murray unlikeable so I'd rather he not win it. :shrug:
I think that leaving aside personal preferences looking at it objectively Murray deserves to win one. But I'm ok with any of them winning it, except for Djokovic. Not that I don't like him, but the earlier he loses the bigger the chance that Federer can hold on to number one until the end of the year. :lol:

And no Tipsarevic, please. I hope Ferrer will kick his sexist ass out of the tournament today.

terjw
Sep 6th, 2012, 07:44 PM
Sigh. Berdych holds for 6-3 4th set at love. :( Fed held for 1-1 4th set from 0-30 down, Berdych held for 3-2 4th from 0-30 down. Fed was broken for 3-5 4th set at 30-40 from 15-30 to 30-30.

This is the 1st Fed has lost before the semis of a hard court slam since 2003. :sad:

Fed wasn't broken in Cincinnati and only broken once in his 1st 3 matches at the US Open. Today he was broken in all 4 sets for a total of 5 times. :(

That is a pretty impressive record.

Protoss
Sep 7th, 2012, 02:43 AM
The US Open courts seem a bit slow this year like last year particularly Arthur Ashe. Last year they claimed the slowness was because the courts not being played on/practiced on prior to the tournament due to bad weather and that it would be different this year. :rolleyes:

There's been a few points in this Del Potro/Djokovic that reminded me how ridiculously difficult it was to put away the ball at the Australian Open. :rolleyes:

bruce goose
Sep 7th, 2012, 04:38 AM
Nice start by Tony Romo,and Dallas fans can shut their pieholes after he played so superbly down the stretch last year while the rest of the team around him choked.His only true weaknesses are (1)Holding the ball too loosely and getting it slapped away for fumbles;and (2)Trying TOO hard to make the big play and forcing the ball into coverage sometimes.He seemed to mostly fix the second flaw last year and,IMO,is definitely a QB who could win a SB...even though he plays for an org. of inbreds:p

TennisFan66
Sep 7th, 2012, 09:37 PM
First round of qualifying matches for the 2014 WC and unsurprising the first predictions that England can win it :lol:
( from Capt Gerrard and TV pundit Ian Wright. The latter apparently even has a plan ).

I don't mean to bash our English friends, but ... every single Euro and WC it's the same.

(England won 5-0 away to Moldova).

terjw
Sep 8th, 2012, 12:23 AM
First round of qualifying matches for the 2014 WC and unsurprising the first predictions that England can win it :lol:
( from Capt Gerrard and TV pundit Ian Wright. The latter apparently even has a plan ).

I don't mean to bash our English friends, but ... every single Euro and WC it's the same.

(England won 5-0 away to Moldova).

I know. Hyped up way too much with unrealistic expectations about our chance of winning the cup and then bashed for playing so badly when they lose. We all would love England to win it all - but it's like just before the competition that there is this collective amnesia that the very top teams just look and play miles better than us and we have fallen some way behind them and are the underdogs.

DownInAHole
Sep 8th, 2012, 06:29 PM
I think I would have preferred to see Murray win in three rather than see Berdych win the first set and give us false hope of something other than another big four final.

terjw
Sep 8th, 2012, 07:11 PM
C'mon Murray. Finish him off in the 4th set and don't let Berdych back.

Protoss
Sep 8th, 2012, 07:33 PM
Why did Berdych even bother to win the 1st set? :rolleyes: So far only 4 games won by Berdych after winning the 1st set and we're about midway through the 4th set.. :rolleyes:

terjw
Sep 8th, 2012, 07:40 PM
Jeez Murray. Shoulsd have been 4-0 up but squandered that game. Now got broken and we are back on serve. :(

Protoss
Sep 8th, 2012, 08:25 PM
Berdych loses the 4th set tiebreak after leading 4-1 (double break), 5-2, and 6-5. :rolleyes:

terjw
Sep 8th, 2012, 08:33 PM
:woohoo:
Murray did it. But it was close to going to 5 sets when anything could have happened.

From 3-0 15-40 down and saving the game (Murray should have won that) - Berdych played on a different level and served really tough.

I've completely lost interest in the women here with a ridiculous shrieking match in one SF and a one-sided no contest in the other. And Murray holds my remaining interest in the USO.

marineblue
Sep 8th, 2012, 08:46 PM
Andy vs Djokovic will be an interesting match up. Anyone thinks this might be THE slam where Murray will finally make it?

DownInAHole
Sep 8th, 2012, 09:16 PM
Kind of a downer for Ferrer. He is up 5-2 serving for the first set and it starts raining.

terjw
Sep 8th, 2012, 09:22 PM
Kind of a downer for Ferrer. He is up 5-2 serving for the first set and it starts raining.

It's not raining. It's sunny but it's a hurricane or tornado warning in half an hour and they are evacuating the place!

DownInAHole
Sep 8th, 2012, 09:25 PM
It's not raining. It's sunny but it's a hurricane or tornado warning in half an hour and they are evacuating the place!

Whoops, my mistake. I wasn't watching just following the live score. I was planning to have a look and see if Ferrer could serve it out when I noticed play was suspended. Naturally I assumed it was raining, you don't often see play suspended due to hurricanes!

Chrissie-fan
Sep 8th, 2012, 10:52 PM
Andy vs Djokovic will be an interesting match up. Anyone thinks this might be THE slam where Murray will finally make it?
Well, he'll have the advantage of a day of rest, especially if the Ferrer vs Djokovic match turns out to be a long one tomorrow.

bruce goose
Sep 9th, 2012, 03:34 AM
First round of qualifying matches for the 2014 WC and unsurprising the first predictions that England can win it :lol:NO WAY!!The U.S. is gonna win the WC without allowing a single score...aside from a PK or two,perhaps...and will win every match by at least five goals with their brilliant,creative turtleshell 'attack':p....and,when they bring the trophy home,the gringos will prove how HUGE European/S.American football is in their country when they hold the victory parade in a Burger King parking lot:haha:

TennisFan66
Sep 9th, 2012, 11:03 AM
NO WAY!!The U.S. is gonna win the WC

Actually the US isn't that bad at soccer. Done better than Mexico (where soccer is huge) in last couple of world cups ;)

However, given where the 2014 WC is taking place, don't think you need to be a TV pundit 'expert' to pick the host nation. In a final against Germany, Spain or Argentina .. imho.

DownInAHole
Sep 9th, 2012, 04:50 PM
The Djokovic/Ferrer match looks to be similar to the Murray/Berdych match. The underdog wins the first set and then loses the next three fairly decisively.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 9th, 2012, 05:27 PM
Routine win for Djokovic really. I suspect that Ferrer still had that match against Tipsarevic in his legs.

bruce goose
Sep 9th, 2012, 07:16 PM
Actually the US isn't that bad at soccer. Done better than Mexico (where soccer is huge) in last couple of world cups ;)

However, given where the 2014 WC is taking place, don't think you need to be a TV pundit 'expert' to pick the host nation. In a final against Germany, Spain or Argentina .. imho.Well,even though I don't respect the sport very much,my patriotism agrees that it's our national shame whenever we lose to that d-ckeating,clown college team.....But you Brits--and Europeans in general--need to pull your heads out of your asses and sniff reality:lol:.For years,you've been trying to legitimize soccer more by claiming how much it's supposedly catching on in that dark frontier known as the U.S.,and yet,when we recently bitch-slapped those frauds ON THEIR HOME SOIL in the Gold Cup,the closing ceremonies were in SPANISH:haha:.The gringo goalie whined and cried over that but,except for his teammates,he was the only English-speaker in attendance:p

It's a testimony to poor teamwork in almost EVERY team sport that we don't usually do well on the world stage,but at least we make an effort to play the right way,unlike the cowardly,chickenshit,turtleshell you see whenever the pinche gringos face a talented team.Sure,they're more aggressive when they play Jamaica,maybe,yet that didn't go so well just now,did it:lol:? They should stick to their BROWN football which they do SOOOO much better b/c they only bring well-earned ridicule on themselves whenever those arrogant cocksuckers display their greed for world domination with absurd pretense of what a great WC contender they delude themselves to be......Time to take my gf to a movie,so seeya later,amigo ingles:wavey:

Protoss
Sep 10th, 2012, 12:32 AM
It's still strange seeing Payton Manning wearing a Broncos orange uniform.

bruce goose
Sep 10th, 2012, 04:24 AM
It's still strange seeing Payton Manning wearing a Broncos orange uniform.As you can read here,Peyton spells his first name with an 'E',Protahss;)....but you're right that it'll take some getting used to seeing him as a Bronco

DownInAHole
Sep 10th, 2012, 07:51 AM
So, what does everyone think about the fact that Murray is going to win his first slam today? Once he gets that first one will more follow or will he just win a single slam?

TennisFan66
Sep 10th, 2012, 09:06 AM
So, what does everyone think about the fact that Murray is going to win his first slam today? Once he gets that first one will more follow or will he just win a single slam?

Personally, I think Djokovic will win.

DownInAHole
Sep 10th, 2012, 09:45 AM
It just really feels like it is finally Murray's time. He did defeat Novak twice this year, once on a hardcourt (although those two wins were best of three not best of five). It's not going to be easy but Novak is not the dominant player he was in 2011 and at the moment Andy is probably the better player.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 10th, 2012, 10:51 AM
So, what does everyone think about the fact that Murray is going to win his first slam today? Once he gets that first one will more follow or will he just win a single slam?
I think he has a 50% chance today. But even if he doesn't win today I think he'll win more than one in the future. Federer will be a contender for maybe one or two more years max. Nadal's problems with his knees leave a big question mark hanging over his future. To have this long a break tells me that he has a serious problem. And expected future greats like Raonic and Tomic aren't quite ready yet. That basically leaves Murray as Djokovic' main rival for the next three or four years. It's possible that a del Potro, Berdych or Tsonga could sneak one (or in del Potro's case a second one) in at some point, but if he stays healthy and motivated I would be very surprised if Murray won't have won a few by the time he's done.

bruce goose
Sep 10th, 2012, 01:25 PM
So, what does everyone think about the fact that Murray is going to win his first slam today? Once he gets that first one will more follow or will he just win a single slam?We're thinking about the FACT that your predictions are even less reliable than daily horoscopes;)

Protoss
Sep 10th, 2012, 05:11 PM
As you can read here,Peyton spells his first name with an 'E',Protahss;)....but you're right that it'll take some getting used to seeing him as a Bronco
Doh. :p I think Protawss would be better. :p

He looked pretty good for an old timer. :p

So are you excited about the Ravens season opener today?

Protoss
Sep 10th, 2012, 05:12 PM
We're thinking about the FACT that your predictions are even less reliable than daily horoscopes;)
In fairness to DownInAHole, he was pretty much the only person here who thought Vika had a chance.

Protoss
Sep 10th, 2012, 05:18 PM
I think he has a 50% chance today. But even if he doesn't win today I think he'll win more than one in the future. Federer will be a contender for maybe one or two more years max. Nadal's problems with his knees leave a big question mark hanging over his future. To have this long a break tells me that he has a serious problem. And expected future greats like Raonic and Tomic aren't quite ready yet. That basically leaves Murray as Djokovic' main rival for the next three or four years. It's possible that a del Potro, Berdych or Tsonga could sneak one (or in del Potro's case a second one) in at some point, but if he stays healthy and motivated I would be very surprised if Murray won't have won a few by the time he's done.
What effect would losing yet another slam final have though? If not now, then when?

Raonic, Tomic, etc. may never be there. Djokovic, Murray, Del Potro were much further along at this point.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 10th, 2012, 05:43 PM
What effect would losing yet another slam final have though? If not now, then when?

Raonic, Tomic, etc. may never be there. Djokovic, Murray, Del Potro were much further along at this point.
Well, I'm not saying that he won't win this one. I think he has a good chance although you obviously can't take a win against Djokovic for granted. But if he doesn't win he'll be of course extremely disappointed, but there's little doubt that he'll get other chances in the future.

bruce goose
Sep 10th, 2012, 05:47 PM
In fairness to DownInAHole, he was pretty much the only person here who thought Vika had a chance.It's nice that you were honorable enough to defend him that way but,when you've made 1,000 loony predictions,the law of averages dictates that you'll eventually get lucky:lol:

Yes,I'll be interested in the opener;we usually start the season well...so when we DON'T,it's sort of a bad omen.Btw,my 2nd faves,the Skins,had a nice,fluke win in catching the Saints off guard........ANY hopes of a SB trophy rest on our O-line.If there's too much pressure on Flacco,he's DESTINED to f-up sooner than later...plus an effective running game will force the defenses to be more honest while allowing Passenger Joe to use play action.The holes were quite pathetic too often last season from an O-line that's one of the biggest--and most overrated--in the league

terjw
Sep 10th, 2012, 09:41 PM
Yes. After messing up his previous two set points on his serve - Murray wins the TB to take the 1st set. Now c'mon Murray.

Protoss
Sep 10th, 2012, 10:27 PM
Disgusting. Murray now 5-5 2nd set after being up 4-0 and 5-2. :rolleyes:

Trey
Sep 10th, 2012, 10:39 PM
Come on Murray one more set too go

Protoss
Sep 10th, 2012, 10:39 PM
Whew. Murray breaks for 7-5 2nd set at 40-30 from 40-15. :)

Protoss
Sep 10th, 2012, 10:47 PM
Whew. Big hold for Murray as he holds for 1-0 3rd set from 0-30 and 15-40 down. :)

Protoss
Sep 10th, 2012, 11:24 PM
Djokovic holds for 6-2 3rd set at 40-30 from 0-30. :(

Murray wanting to try out his best Coria impersonation?

Protoss
Sep 11th, 2012, 01:07 AM
Yes!!!!!!! Murray holds for 7-6 (10) 7-5 2-6 3-6 6-2 at 40-15 from 40-0 on a 2nd serve return long. :)

terjw
Sep 11th, 2012, 01:15 AM
:bounce:
At last. Murray finally wins his first slam. What a year.

Protoss
Sep 11th, 2012, 01:25 AM
:bounce:
At last. Murray finally wins his first slam. What a year.
It's kind of funny that it happens at a slam when he wasn't in that good of form.

So we have a legit big 4 in the men's game now. :)

This is the 1st time since 2003 that each slam on the atp side had a different winner.

CWTennis
Sep 11th, 2012, 01:28 AM
I was rooting for Novak but Murray deserved to win a slam!

Chrissie-fan
Sep 11th, 2012, 01:29 AM
What a match. Happy for Murray that he finally won one. :yeah:

bruce goose
Sep 11th, 2012, 04:15 AM
Even his Olympic win legitimized him based on HOW he won it,with a win over Fed in the final...but now the ATP bosses are breathing a HUGE sigh of relief as they were DESPERATE for another bona fide champ with Fed on his way out and a knee-addled Rafa possibly to follow......oh,and the Ravens kicked some serious ass:p

terjw
Sep 11th, 2012, 07:26 AM
It's kind of funny that it happens at a slam when he wasn't in that good of form.

So we have a legit big 4 in the men's game now. :)

This is the 1st time since 2003 that each slam on the atp side had a different winner.

Yeah - I was furious at him some of those times. But you know you just have to keep putting yourself there and in contention. And that's what he's done so well. What was it - his 5th slam final? This is what I wanted Caro to do. Keep putting herself in there with a chance. And you never know. But that seems like a faraway dream now.

BTW I thought you didn't like Murray - but you were cheering for him.

TennisFan66
Sep 11th, 2012, 08:13 AM
Andy Murray is definitely now British!! ;)

DownInAHole
Sep 11th, 2012, 08:55 AM
Andy Murray is definitely now British!! ;)

Only until the Scots gain their independence, then all of his accomplishments as a Brit are retroactively erased.

TennisFan66
Sep 11th, 2012, 09:30 AM
Only until the Scots gain their independence, then all of his accomplishments as a Brit are retroactively erased.

Perhaps true.

My original comment was perhaps also too much of an 'inside' joke.

It has been so now for years that Murray is British when winning, and Scottish when losing ..

*Britain's Andy Murray powers into the Wimbledon Quaterfinal*

*Scot Murray loses after tight match*

JadeFox
Sep 11th, 2012, 09:35 AM
Yeah I'm still in shock over Andy's win. :lol:

Is this the real life, or is this just fantasy?

Protoss
Sep 11th, 2012, 07:40 PM
Yeah - I was furious at him some of those times. But you know you just have to keep putting yourself there and in contention. And that's what he's done so well. What was it - his 5th slam final? This is what I wanted Caro to do. Keep putting herself in there with a chance. And you never know. But that seems like a faraway dream now.

BTW I thought you didn't like Murray - but you were cheering for him.
Yes, this was his 5th slam final. Heh...he almost pulled a reverse Lendl as Lendl was down 2 sets to love in his 5th grand slam final but came back to win it. :p

I preferred Murray to win as I thought that would make the Atp more interesting. Once he got the big lead I wanted him to win as I find choking rather bothersome to say the least. :p I'm glad he got the over the hump and finally won a slam but his personality makes it somewhat difficult for me to like him. :shrug:

Protoss
Sep 12th, 2012, 05:49 AM
Yeah I'm still in shock over Andy's win. :lol:

Is this the real life, or is this just fantasy?
Heh. You should conduct some sort of test to find out. :p

Murray's reaction to winning was too underwhelming for my tastes. :shrug:

JadeFox
Sep 12th, 2012, 02:50 PM
Heh. You should conduct sort of test to find out. :p

Murray's reaction to winning was too underwhelming for my tastes. :shrug:

Well it's finally sunk in so a test won't be needed. :lol:

And really I think he was in shock at that point. It will probably really sink for him next week.

So happy right now! :bounce:

Chrissie-fan
Sep 12th, 2012, 03:35 PM
Heh. You should conduct sort of test to find out. :p

Murray's reaction to winning was too underwhelming for my tastes. :shrug:
His reacttion to winning the Olympic gold was more enthusiastic. But this time he was just physically and mentally too tired to go nuts I think. That plus what JadeFox said - he was almost in shock.

terjw
Sep 22nd, 2012, 09:12 PM
Hoping Hamilton can get a win at Singapore tomorrow after his brilliant pole position today and closes the gap to Alonso. Of course everyone is talking about Maldonado on the front row. But hopefully Hamilton stays ahead of him and he's a worry to Vettel and the other drivers.

Titles for Lewis Hamilton and Caro tomorrow would make it a very nice day for me if it happens.

Protoss
Sep 24th, 2012, 12:12 PM
Hey Bruce...did you catch the Ravens game? That was some finish.

bruce goose
Sep 24th, 2012, 05:12 PM
Hey Bruce...did you catch the Ravens game? That was some finish.Maybe...just MAYBE...that final drive by Flacco in the AFC title game was a psychological breakthrough for him....even though we lost the game on that turd Evans' dropped ball:rolleyes:.My bigger concern is that our defense looks old and slow at times,so we may have to outscore opponents.We'll see if we can tighten those leaks or not

JadeFox
Sep 24th, 2012, 06:05 PM
Maybe...just MAYBE...that final drive by Flacco in the AFC title game was a psychological breakthrough for him....even though we lost the game on that turd Evans' dropped ball:rolleyes:.My bigger concern is that our defense looks old and slow at times,so we may have to outscore opponents.We'll see if we can tighten those leaks or not

You like the Ravens, I like the Patriots. I don't see us agreeing on much and I'm NOT happy right now. :lol:

bruce goose
Sep 25th, 2012, 06:03 AM
You like the Ravens, I like the Patriots. I don't see us agreeing on much and I'm NOT happy right now. :lol:Well,if it makes you feel any better,most of my venom is reserved for the Steelers and Jets...and I can PRETEND to be Tom Brady if that'd put you in a happier mood:hehehe:

JadeFox
Sep 25th, 2012, 07:03 AM
Well,if it makes you feel any better,most of my venom is reserved for the Steelers and Jets...and I can PRETEND to be Tom Brady if that'd put you in a happier mood:hehehe:

Hmmm, sounds tempting. ;)

And I can get behind you with Steelers and Jets hating. Everytime I see Rex Ryan run his mouth, I just rage. :fiery:

Protoss
Sep 25th, 2012, 08:59 AM
Anybody see the end of the Packers/Seahawks game? The Packers got robbed there. :(

Bring back the real refs.

JadeFox
Sep 25th, 2012, 09:17 AM
Anybody see the end of the Packers/49ers game? The Packers got robbed there. :(

Bring back the real refs.

Don't get me started on these replacement refs. Basic doesn't even describe them. :(

bruce goose
Sep 25th, 2012, 12:34 PM
Anybody see the end of the Packers/49ers game? The Packers got robbed there. :(

Bring back the real refs.Sorry that I couldn't respond earlier,Protoss but,as you saw,Jade Fox was stewing over the refs past her bedtime so I had to tuck her in for her passionate Nite-nite kiss...she's feeling much better now;)

You must have meant the SEAHAWKS and not the 49ers,of course and,yes,that was a natural consequence of having minor-league-caliber refs,but the Packers DID have chances to put that game away and blew it...so let's not lose sight of the fact that they hardly look like an elite team this season

TennisFan66
Sep 26th, 2012, 08:21 AM
Please allow me to :bounce:and :cheer:

The proper football club, Aston Villa, kicked Money City

(owned by some random sheik, who's stolen so much of his native countries oil and gas wealth that he had to pour it into a black money hole pit in England.. The words 'Money City' and 'sheik' is fully exchangeable with 'Chelski' and 'Russian'..)

out of the League Cup ... Villa won 4-2 at the sheik's home ground.

Joy.

Protoss
Sep 26th, 2012, 05:02 PM
The real refs are back!! :)

postalblowfish
Sep 26th, 2012, 05:06 PM
Please allow me to :bounce:and :cheer:

The proper football club, Aston Villa, kicked Money City

(owned by some random sheik, who's stolen so much of his native countries oil and gas wealth that he had to pour it into a black money hole pit in England.. The words 'Money City' and 'sheik' is fully exchangeable with 'Chelski' and 'Russian'..)

out of the League Cup ... Villa won 4-2 at the sheik's home ground.

Joy.

When was the last time City lost at home? Am I right in thinking it's been a while?

TennisFan66
Sep 26th, 2012, 05:11 PM
When was the last time City lost at home? Am I right in thinking it's been a while?

Yes, quite a long while .. not sure exactly how long though.

bruce goose
Sep 27th, 2012, 04:28 AM
The real refs are back!! :)The league didn't have much choice after that last,embarrassing finish;it has become a question of credibility where the leaque's entire image is on the line

TennisFan66
Sep 28th, 2012, 12:23 PM
It would appear the great Michael Schumacher is retiring for a 2nd time .. While I never was a great fan (My fave drivers were/are JV, Mika, DC, Kimi, Alonso), I admired him coming back.

Giving hope to all of us, that life doesn't end with 40!

But what on earth Mercedes wants with Hamilton, is just so beyond me, I am still near speech less. Bild made a pool among it's readers (mock them all you like and call them tabloid she1t, but they are sold in numbers) and less than 4% wanted Hamilton, should Schumie retire. And Mercedes has apparently awarded him 1st driver status. A German team, with another German driver, gives a not terribly liked Englishman 1st driver status ... Yeah, I can see that's gonna work out well :rolleyes: (but gives a nice excuse for the Daimler board, if/when they vote to pull the plug on the whole F1 adventure).

Neither do I get what Hamilton is doing. Cutting through all the usual bull and hyperbolic made up numbers in Brit media, the base offer from McLaren and Mercedes were basically identical. The opportunity to win race and title bonus is, imho, better at McLaren, so one could argue, McLaren is from a pure F1 perspective, the better deal.

However, McLaren does not allow personal sponsors. Mercedes do.

Bingo .. And as Hamilton is now represented by Simon Fuller's XIX Entertainment Management, I think we get the picture. Money over sporting success. Now I get it. Perhaps Hamilton can receive some pointers from our very own Caro, how to milk the sponsors for big deals, even not performing at the top of a sport

TennisFan66
Sep 28th, 2012, 04:37 PM
Silly me .. Of course Michael isn't retiring just yet. He'll take an extra year and drive for Ferrari in 2013!! :bounce:Keeping the seat warm for Vettel, who is said to have a pre-contract for 2014 .. #Ihope

Jimmie48
Sep 28th, 2012, 05:00 PM
The whole idea of coming back was a wrong decision and going to Mercedes made it even worse. It has to be said that I always had a very strong dislike for Mercedes, both personally and on a professional level, and the line of people (both drivers and other staff) that have been treated like shit by them goes around the block. I'm not surprised to see that neither Brawn nor Haug had the balls to announce this but they chose to leak it via the media instead. This whole company...eh, don't get me started..

Schumacher took a big gamble with his return, he gambled and lost. When he first retired in 2006 he was this untouchable legend, now he leaves after numerous mishaps and being kicked off the team. He had a million different options on how to continue racing after his F1 career, options that would not have damaged his legacy and would have allowed him to have success and enjoy himself. He passed that up and now he's the guy that isn't good enough anymore..

The nationality issue plays no big role in motorsports, most teams are highly international anyways. Take Toyota Motorsport (former F1 and now in Le Mans Prototype racing), on paper it's a Japanese works effort but the team is based in Cologne and 90% of the staff is from Europe with only a few key people being Japanese. So that whole "German driver in a German team" stuff is nice for the tabloids but nothing that really matters in the day to day operation. In the end, the results matter and if engineer x or driver y is best for the job, no one will care about nationality.

As far as going for Hamilton is concerned, it's typical Mercedes. He simply is the most expensive option on the market so he must be the best..throwing money at the problem always works. It's the same reason they pay Coulthard and Schumacher the lesser an obscene salary to play part-time racers in the DTM. Their results suck and their work ethic is highly questionable but they have big names and demand a huge paycheck so they must be good... The whole Hamilton thing is a recipe for disaster, Mercedes has been fighting tire wear all along and Hamilton is known to be rather aggressive in his driving style.. that will get interesting. I also have never heard that he's a big development driver, unlike Schumacher or Button for example.

The whole thing might implode rather soon. Mercedes is always struggling with huge opposition from the unions and the workers council when it comes to their racing budget, a few years ago the continuation of the F1 programme passed by only one vote. If this highly expensive stunt fails they could be in a world of hurt, motorsport programs can end rather abpruptly if the board decides it's not worth it anymore.

CWTennis
Sep 28th, 2012, 05:01 PM
I always was a fan of Schumi but he never should have come back!

TennisFan66
Sep 28th, 2012, 05:14 PM
Thanks, Jimmie. Interesting colour and as you said, 'passed by one vote'. The whole Mercedes F1 team lives from board meeting to board meeting.

I do however respectfully disagree with the 'nationality doesn't matter'. I personally think, it's rather important and that empirical evidence supports this hypothesis. A German team like Mercedes will want at least one German driver.

Renault wants at least one French. Ferrari would love an Italian driver. When the rumour was Rossi might switch to F1, Italian media went ballistic. Toyota went through hoops to source a just not too terrible Japanese F1 driver. Especially for the F1 works teams, this is a priority.

For independent teams, I concede it is less of an issue.

terjw
Sep 28th, 2012, 05:26 PM
I always was a fan of Schumi but he never should have come back!

Same here. Schumi was brilliant. Won his World Championships with Benetton when the team didn't have the best car. He could always get so much out of a car that anyone else would find impossible. And then he dragged Ferrari up and won all those titles with Ferrari. And if a race was in the rain - well him and Ayrton were amazing in a wet race.

But coming back was a terrible mistake. It was embarrasing to see him outperformed by Rosberg and struggling against other drivers and just unable to accept that he was no longer the driver he was. He was once asked how he compared himself in his comeback with how he was in his heyday and said he thought he was a better driver in his comeback because he had more experience. In true denial.:rolleyes:

As for Lewis going to Mercedes. :rolleyes: I can't believe he thinks he's got a better shot at the title there than staying at McLaren. Or has he let the money get the better of his senses.

Jimmie48
Sep 28th, 2012, 05:39 PM
Thanks, Jimmie. Interesting colour and as you said, 'passed by one vote'. The whole Mercedes F1 team lives from board meeting to board meeting.

I do however respectfully disagree with the 'nationality doesn't matter'. I personally think, it's rather important and that empirical evidence supports this hypothesis. A German team like Mercedes will want at least one German driver.

Renault wants at least one French. Ferrari would love an Italian driver. When the rumour was Rossi might switch to F1, Italian media went ballistic. Toyota went through hoops to source a just not too terrible Japanese F1 driver. Especially for the F1 works teams, this is a priority.

For independent teams, I concede it is less of an issue.

Yes, the marketing departments sure are itching for it but usually they don't influence these decisions too much.

I can't really speak for F1 but in sports car or touring car racing, the works teams don't focus on that anymore. Audi's best-known drivers are from Scottland and Denmark, Toyota chose one Japanese driver (who's actually a capable and sensible choice) for their six-driver squad. A few decades ago, it was customary for Japanese efforts to have one dedicated car with Japanese drivers but these days are gone, you can't waste a car just for marketing reason, competition has become too intense.

Mercedes and BMW both somewhat struggled to at least get two German drivers in their DTM squads and in both cases they`re far away from being the backbones of the organization, it's merely a marketing decision.

That is works teams, if we talk privateer teams this is a complete non-issue, the only question there is: "What does the driver bring with him?" Even the most talented drivers have to bring money nowadays, if you aren't part of a works team you`re likely to pay for your seat. A multiple Le Mans winner (we're talking overall wins here, the big cheese) I know went looking for a ride a few years ago. He's a proven, fast guy who's an asset for every team. When he was asked what he would bring, he replied "myself and my helmet" and the answer always was "Thanks, but no thanks!". Talent alone doesn't cut it anymore...

TennisFan66
Sep 29th, 2012, 10:33 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19765967

" Lewis Hamilton's exit from McLaren was instigated by the British driver's representatives, Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn has revealed. "


Fairly much supports claims in most motorsport medias that XIX has shopped Hamilton to anyone interested. Red Bull, Ferrari and Lotus (Renault) wasn't interested in him (according to those same motorsport sources).

In British media, the move to Mercedes was heralded as Mercedes building a team around Hamilton and blah blah .. but according to RB Hamilton will not have 1st driver status.

Other claims I've read in British media is, that it's a clever move, because Mercedes is THE place to be from 2014. I guess that must be because Mercedes is known for making small turbo engines :rolleyes:

I could though make a case for a Renault powered car being the place to be from 2014. A quick call to Nismo, ordering a 1.6l version of the RB26DETT, strap on two monster turbos and you're good to race ;)

bruce goose
Sep 29th, 2012, 09:56 PM
Do Hyundai and Yugo have racing teams,too:p?

Jimmie48
Sep 29th, 2012, 10:20 PM
Do Hyundai and Yugo have racing teams,too:p?

Hyundai has actually been in rallying and his returning to the World Rally Championship in 2013. Heck, even Lada races in the World Touring Car Championship, even though their effort is notoriously short of funding.

Motorsport is a very important marketing tool in the automotive world, pretty much none of the big manufacturers can afford to not have a racing programme of some kind.

bruce goose
Sep 30th, 2012, 03:31 AM
Hyundai has actually been in rallying and his returning to the World Rally Championship in 2013. Heck, even Lada races in the World Touring Car Championship, even though their effort is notoriously short of funding.

Motorsport is a very important marketing tool in the automotive world, pretty much none of the big manufacturers can afford to not have a racing programme of some kind.Thanks for the info;you surely intuited my ignorance of the racing scene;).I was laughing at my earlier question because Hyundai is sort of a dorky car,especially when compared to stylish vehicles like Mercedes,so it seemed funny to me to imagine Hyundai competing with others in those races

TennisFan66
Sep 30th, 2012, 08:37 AM
Thanks for the info;you surely intuited my ignorance of the racing scene;).

Bruce, surely Mexican media must write about Sergio Perez? Perez is backed by Telmex (Carlos Slim) .. came through the Ferrari drivers academy, drives for Sauber, but will replace Hamilton at McLaren from next year.

bruce goose
Sep 30th, 2012, 10:16 AM
Bruce, surely Mexican media must write about Sergio Perez? Perez is backed by Telmex (Carlos Slim) .. came through the Ferrari drivers academy, drives for Sauber, but will replace Hamilton at McLaren from next year.Yes,I see his name on ESPN Deportes from time to time,but I don't pay much attention simply because racing isn't one of my favorite sports....it has its niche following here,just as in other countries,though I'm not sure HOW popular....definitely less than soccer,baseball,basketball,boxing,football,but they DO show it on regular cable,no dish required

terjw
Sep 30th, 2012, 10:25 AM
In British media, the move to Mercedes was heralded as Mercedes building a team around Hamilton and blah blah .. but according to RB will Hamilton not have 1st driver status.



Are sou saying RB says Hamilton will or will not have 1st driver status - or is RB asking a question like it sounds from your post? Not sure what you are trying to say. :confused:

Anyway - I would be surprised if Ross Braun said that any driver had 1st driver status at Mercedes. Just as Christian Horner at Red Bull claims Vettel and Webber have equal status. But we all know when it comes to the crunch and other things being equal that they will favour Vettel - and indeed they would be mad not to.

TennisFan66
Sep 30th, 2012, 11:27 AM
Are sou saying RB says Hamilton will or will not have 1st driver status - or is RB asking a question like it sounds from your post? Not sure what you are trying to say. :confused:



Ops, word salad .. Will not .. you would have known, if you had opened the Beebs article ;)

bruce goose
Oct 1st, 2012, 06:45 AM
Well,the Patriots won and the Jets were absolutely embarrassed...so Jade Fox was in quite a pleasant mood when it was time for her Nite-nite kiss:hehehe:

JadeFox
Oct 2nd, 2012, 08:21 AM
Well,the Patriots won and the Jets were absolutely embarrassed...so Jade Fox was in quite a pleasant mood when it was time for her Nite-nite kiss:hehehe:

Yes I was. :kiss:

And the Falcons are 4-0! :bounce:

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2012, 08:55 AM
Well,the Patriots won and the Jets were absolutely embarrassed...so Jade Fox was in quite a pleasant mood when it was time for her Nite-nite kiss:hehehe:

Yes I was. :kiss:

And the Falcons are 4-0! :bounce:

"Nite-nite kiss?" Damn, girl, I thought that we had something special.:sad:

JadeFox
Oct 2nd, 2012, 09:42 AM
"Nite-nite kiss?" Damn, girl, I thought that we had something special.:sad:

What, I still love you. I just have a lot of love to share. :kiss: :hug:

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2012, 10:10 AM
What, I still love you. I just have a lot of love to share. :kiss: :hug:

Does that mean that you also have a lot of VD to share?:unsure:

JadeFox
Oct 2nd, 2012, 10:13 AM
Does that mean that you also have a lot of VD to share?:unsure:

Of course not! :ras:

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2012, 10:26 AM
Of course not! :ras:

Well, that is good to know, I'm glad your papers are in order.:hug: Still, I had to ask, a person can't be too careful in this scary modern world.

bruce goose
Oct 2nd, 2012, 12:17 PM
Of course not! :ras:Obviously,he's jealous;Latino or Canadian---like you really had a tough choice:p.....even his football is minor league:lol:.....but he's a nice fellow,though:angel:

Protoss
Oct 2nd, 2012, 12:43 PM
Obviously,he's jealous;Latino or Canadian---like you really had a tough choice:p.....even his football is minor league:lol:.....but he's a nice fellow,though:angel:
But they live in igloos up in Canada...beat that. :p

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2012, 04:19 PM
Obviously,he's jealous;Latino or Canadian---like you really had a tough choice:p.....even his football is minor league:lol:.....but he's a nice fellow,though:angel:

That is not the truth and you know it.:fiery:

But they live in igloos up in Canada...beat that. :p

True, but only during the winter months. At the moment I am kicking back in a teepee.

JadeFox
Oct 2nd, 2012, 04:22 PM
Speaking of Canadians and cold places, what's going on with the NHL lockout?

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2012, 04:29 PM
Speaking of Canadians and cold places, what's going on with the NHL lockout?

My take is pretty much the same as the other big North American leagues, for decades the players salaries have been skyrocketing and the owners want to cut them back. Of course the players don't want to make less money so you get a lockout. It's interesting that many of the players are looking at other leagues that they could play in if the lockout eats up the whole season.

Don't anyone bother arguing with me about this. As the resident Canadian of this sub-forum I have the final say on all things hockey related.:p

Jimmie48
Oct 2nd, 2012, 08:42 PM
I always thought the only thing about Belarus I liked was Vika...but turns out I like Bate Borisov as well :lol: :oh:

TennisFan66
Oct 2nd, 2012, 09:12 PM
I always thought the only thing about Belarus I liked was Vika...but turns out I like Bate Borisov as well :lol: :oh:

Yes, I had a feeling you might say something like that .. You got Money City tomorrow ... Just to let you know, Villa kicked them Money City arses last week .. Should be easy peasy for the German champions to do the same ;)

bruce goose
Oct 3rd, 2012, 04:26 AM
That is not the truth and you know it.:fiery:Jade might be more impressed with your manhood if you didn't punt on 3rd Down:p.Who invented that stupid rule,anyway?The Mackenzie Brothers drunken great-uncle,maybe:lol:

Jimmie48
Oct 3rd, 2012, 07:34 PM
Yes, I had a feeling you might say something like that .. You got Money City tomorrow ... Just to let you know, Villa kicked them Money City arses last week .. Should be easy peasy for the German champions to do the same ;)

We´re so damn close, incredible first half. Four major chances... Hart has an incredible day so far tough.

Robert77
Oct 3rd, 2012, 08:13 PM
Yes! Dortmund-ManCity 1:0 Reus:worship: Finally! Great match!

Jimmie48
Oct 3rd, 2012, 08:38 PM
This is the most pathetic bullshit I have ever seen.... looks like a sheik also buys you a referee...disgusting.

TennisFan66
Oct 3rd, 2012, 09:05 PM
This is the most pathetic bullshit I have ever seen.... looks like a sheik also buys you a referee...disgusting.

That was ridiculous. Kicking it up onto a defenders arm is now a penalty. Ridiculous.

Instead of trying to hit the goal, maybe it would be a good strategy just to aim at defenders ...

TennisFan66
Oct 5th, 2012, 12:17 PM
http://sports.inquirer.net/65120/shanghai-masters-roger-federer-targeted-by-chinese-death-threat

Shanghai Masters: Roger Federer targeted by Chinese death threat



Lovely. Appears rather stupid though. China is one of the most monitored societies on earth. If they want to find this chap, they easily can.

Oh just thought about this. I could post in the 'off topic with continual reference to ...' (who came up with that thread title btw?) as Caroline actually experienced something similar.

This was back in the year of 2008 (if my memory serves me right). At the time, there was an open forum on Caroline's Danish website. Some posters, or poster as it turned out, were becoming more and more insulting and threatening. Eventually the forum was closed down and police called in. Police found the culprit, who turned out to be a mentally challenged 12 year boy .. So he'll be about 16 today. I wonder what name he uses in GM? .. :tape:

bruce goose
Oct 6th, 2012, 01:39 PM
That was ridiculous. Kicking it up onto a defenders arm is now a penalty. Ridiculous.

Instead of trying to hit the goal, maybe it would be a good strategy just to aim at defenders ...Okay,it's time for European football fans to RE-DIRECT their passion;instead of rioting at the stadiums,the hooligans need to go to the FIFA offices and riot THERE! Obviously,a threat to their bodily harm is the only thing that might persuade the big shots to pull their heads out of their asses and implement useful rules changes.If you'd like,I could post a link to one of my posts from another thread where I proposed a sort of 'defensive offsides' rule that would prevent the cowardly,chickenshit style employed by the Swiss and the Gringos(U.S.) that makes matches so boring

TennisFan66
Oct 6th, 2012, 04:39 PM
Okay,it's time for European football fans to RE-DIRECT their passion;instead of rioting at the stadiums,the hooligans need to go to the FIFA offices and riot THERE! Obviously,a threat to their bodily harm is the only thing that might persuade the big shots to pull their heads out of their asses and implement useful rules changes.If you'd like,I could post a link to one of my posts from another thread where I proposed a sort of 'defensive offsides' rule that would prevent the cowardly,chickenshit style employed by the Swiss and the Gringos(U.S.) that makes matches so boring

There's very little 'hooligans' in Western European football as compared to South and Central America ;) ..

I am not sure what rule changes, you're advocating or what 'defense offside' is. Neither am I sure the Swiss nor the USA play a very defensive style. You are probably referring more to the style, which won Chelsea the Champions League?

No true football fan can celebrate such a defensive and cowardly approach :devil:

Anyhoo, Japanese GP tomorrow morning. The Bulls locked out the front row. Fingers crossed by this Ferrari and Alonso fan, Nando somehow can put the red car on the podium. Damage limitation is sorta boring though :shrug:

bruce goose
Oct 6th, 2012, 07:12 PM
There's very little 'hooligans' in Western European football as compared to South and Middle American ;) ..

I am not sure what rule changes, you're advocating or what 'defense offside' is. Neither am I sure the Swiss nor the USA play a very defensive style. You are probably referring more to the style, which won Chelsea the Champions League?

No true football fan can celebrate such a defensive and cowardly approach :devil:

Anyhoo, Japanese GP tomorrow morning. The Bulls locked out the front row. Fingers crossed by this Ferrari and Alonso fan, Nando somehow can put the red car on the podium. Damage limitation is sorta boring though :shrug:Well,here's the link that I was talking about,though the 1st paragraph deals with another topic:
http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=22251909&postcount=125

I'm aware that the culinary abomination known as British food must be washed down with LOTS of alcohol,but I think you may be overdoing it:lol:.The term 'middle america' refers to the farm states located in the center of the U.States.If you meant the countries that extend from below Mexico--which is NORTH America--to the South American landmass,that area is known by geographical NON-illiterates as CENTRAL America;).Obviously,'defensive offsides' doesn't exist,it's merely a concept I coined...which is why I placed it in quotes.Once you've sobered up,though,a man of your intellect will understand the premise just fine:).

I don't watch CL,so I can't comment at all on your Chelsea reference,but I'm a little surprised that you were ignorant about the Swiss and the pinche gringos.The Swiss had at least one pathetic effort at the last WC where they kept 11 men around the goal box during the entire game and played for a 0-0 draw.According to reporters,that wasn't the first time they'd been guilty of such a travesty.As for the U.S.,they WILL attack if they're playing Fiji,Jamaica,or some other weakling.However,when salami-swallower Landon Donovan boldly predicted that he and his inbred,jackass cohorts would end their 0-for-forever losing streak in Azteca Stadium,they proceeded to lose decisively and were too scared to venture across midfield after one early,fluke goal.Afterwards,they bitched and whined about the altitude and claimed that they weren't prepared.They got one draw at Azteca a few decades ago,so their overall record there is around 0-25-1.When they play an even better team such as Spain or Brasil,their ball control is practically non-existent so they just sit back like the worthless,sleazy,corrupt wastes-of-life that they are and wait/pray for a sloppy turnover where Spain or Brasil overcommits with defenders and leaves them with a clear breakaway.Otherwise,they sit back and depend on their goalie...their only really GOOD player...to rescue their greedy,phony asses and salvage a draw,maybe

If there's any team/country that truly deserves to be utterly humiliated--where you don't feel at all guilty laughing at their misfortune/losses--it's THAT one

TennisFan66
Oct 6th, 2012, 08:30 PM
Central America .. soz. My bad. If you say so about the Swiss. It's not a team I follow .. but they beat Spain in the 2010 WC ..

bruce goose
Oct 7th, 2012, 03:33 AM
Central America .. soz. My bad. If you say so about the Swiss. It's not a team I follow .. but they beat Spain in the 2010 WC ..Well,I think that even the Swiss would admit what a fluke that was:lol:.Be honest,though,cuz you're not gonna hurt my feelings: What did you think of the 'defensive offsides' proposal that was discussed in the link??

TennisFan66
Oct 7th, 2012, 08:27 AM
Well,I think that even the Swiss would admit what a fluke that was:lol:.Be honest,though,cuz you're not gonna hurt my feelings: What did you think of the 'defensive offsides' proposal that was discussed in the link??

Not going to work. Neither do I think it's something FIFA is working on. Football rules have more or less been the same for 150 years.

Anyho, I am too depressed to talk right now. Vettel won with ease and Alonso was out in the very first corner :sad: Especially heart breaking, as the Ferrari showed good pace in Japan (Massa finished 2nd).

bruce goose
Oct 7th, 2012, 03:12 PM
Not going to work. Neither do I think it's something FIFA is working on. Football rules have more or less been the same for 150 years.

Anyho, I am too depressed to talk right now. Vettel won with ease and Alonso was out in the very first corner :sad: Especially heart breaking, as the Ferrari showed good pace in Japan (Massa finished 2nd).Well,your lingering depression is coloring your judgment:lol:.It's not that it WON'T work...more a matter that FIFA bosses are like the Vatican: A bunch of phony,bureaucratic blowhards who pretend that their edicts come from the Lord Himself.We've seen how readily the Vatican will change their teachings whenever the p.r. gets bad enough(e.g.,stillborn,unbaptized babies supposedly going to hell:rolleyes:),and FIFA,after some notable officiating disgraces,has quickly gone from steadfastly refusing ANY implementation of replay to investigating how they could apply it.In the same way,'defensive offsides' would open up the flow of play,showcase the talent more and even increase fanship QUITE a bit...with that last benefit being the most compelling.

.....Anyway,in about 5 hours,we'll see the renewal of a superb,gentlemanly football rivalry between future HOF quarterbacks Tom Brady and Peyton Manning,and that will be a nerve-wracking encounter for our Patriots fan,Jade Fox.Not to worry,though;I'll have her folded up in a neat little bundle on my lap,wrapping her up in a blanket to keep her warm and cozy on this autumn day.I'll gently stroke that soft spot on her neck behind her ears to keep her nice and tranquil...and I'll just tickle her belly button to mellow her out whenever there's a play that gets her somewhat stressed.Since my Ravens already have a one-game lead on New England--plus a fixed,tiebreaker advantage from our earlier win against them:cool:--I'll cheer for Brady's Pats to beat Manning's Broncos today....and then I'll make sure that JF gets a fresh start to her week tomorrow by tucking her in to bed with a luscious,Latino nite-nite kiss:hehehe:

JadeFox
Oct 7th, 2012, 07:21 PM
Well,your lingering depression is coloring your judgment:lol:.It's not that it WON'T work...more a matter that FIFA bosses are like the Vatican: A bunch of phony,bureaucratic blowhards who pretend that their edicts come from the Lord Himself.We've seen how readily the Vatican will change their teachings whenever the p.r. gets bad enough(e.g.,stillborn,unbaptized babies supposedly going to hell:rolleyes:),and FIFA,after some notable officiating disgraces,has quickly gone from steadfastly refusing ANY implementation of replay to investigating how they could apply it.In the same way,'defensive offsides' would open up the flow of play,showcase the talent more and even increase fanship QUITE a bit...with that last benefit being the most compelling.


I feel like I should follow European football more. Clearly I'm missing out on some drama here.


.....Anyway,in about 5 hours,we'll see the renewal of a superb,gentlemanly football rivalry between future HOF quarterbacks Tom Brady and Peyton Manning,and that will be a nerve-wracking encounter for our Patriots fan,Jade Fox.Not to worry,though;I'll have her folded up in a neat little bundle on my lap,wrapping her up in a blanket to keep her warm and cozy on this autumn day.I'll gently stroke that soft spot on her neck behind her ears to keep her nice and tranquil...and I'll just tickle her belly button to mellow her out whenever there's a play that gets her somewhat stressed.Since my Ravens already have a one-game lead on New England--plus a fixed,tiebreaker advantage from our earlier win against them:cool:--I'll cheer for Brady's Pats to beat Manning's Broncos today....and then I'll make sure that JF gets a fresh start to her week tomorrow by tucking her in to bed with a luscious,Latino nite-nite kiss:hehehe:


Okay now you're just rubbing it in DIAH's face. :lol: :p

terjw
Oct 7th, 2012, 07:53 PM
Not going to work. Neither do I think it's something FIFA is working on. Football rules have more or less been the same for 150 years.

Anyho, I am too depressed to talk right now. Vettel won with ease and Alonso was out in the very first corner :sad: Especially heart breaking, as the Ferrari showed good pace in Japan (Massa finished 2nd).

I was really pissed off last week when Hamilton's car let him down with gearbox failure last week when he'd been in the lead from start to when he had to retire.

I think Vettel's poised to overtake Alonso (only 4 points behind) and he's got this world championship now for a 3rd time in a row.

On another note - what about Grosjean yet again in a start incident and just driving straight into the back of Webber? Webber said maybe they should have two separate starts - one for him and one for everyone else. Kimi of course touched Alonso and caused him to go off at the start - so Team Lotus not too popular today.

TennisFan66
Oct 7th, 2012, 10:51 PM
I was really pissed off last week when Hamilton's car let him down with gearbox failure last week when he'd been in the lead from start to when he had to retire.

I think Vettel's poised to overtake Alonso (only 4 points behind) and he's got this world championship now for a 3rd time in a row.

On another note - what about Grosjean yet again in a start incident and just driving straight into the back of Webber? Webber said maybe they should have two separate starts - one for him and one for everyone else. Kimi of course touched Alonso and caused him to go off at the start - so Team Lotus not too popular today.

*sighs* yeah, 2010 again .. Vettel is odds on with the bookies now.

As for Grosjean, it's becoming a real problem, isn't it .. he's completely out of control at every single start.

DownInAHole
Oct 7th, 2012, 10:59 PM
Okay now you're just rubbing it in DIAH's face. :lol: :p

Dang, I think I need to wave a white flag, I can't compete with that Mexican Lothario.

This is what JadeFox just did to me:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KmLrMKcgxG8/UCoYXrTxD2I/AAAAAAACZfc/EtgxowdFf2s/s640/broken_heart_oh-no1.png
:sad:

JadeFox
Oct 7th, 2012, 11:45 PM
Dang, I think I need to wave a white flag, I can't compete with that Mexican Lothario.

This is what JadeFox just did to me:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KmLrMKcgxG8/UCoYXrTxD2I/AAAAAAACZfc/EtgxowdFf2s/s640/broken_heart_oh-no1.png
:sad:

Don't leave me baby! I'll change!

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lf5solx7Hm1qzldwr.gif

bruce goose
Oct 8th, 2012, 02:48 AM
Dang, I think I need to wave a white flag, I can't compete with that Mexican Lothario.

This is what JadeFox just did to me:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KmLrMKcgxG8/UCoYXrTxD2I/AAAAAAACZfc/EtgxowdFf2s/s640/broken_heart_oh-no1.png
:sad:Okay,I'm sorry:angel:.The truth is,I already get my fair share of female companionship from my gf....and from predatory chicas who try to take her place:p.

....So I promise to not ruin your hopes with JF:angel:...though you might have to wait 'til tomorrow to chat with her again---unless you've got some smelling salts cuz,after I tucked her in with her Nite-nite kiss,she was SOUND asleep,her face aglow as she waltzed thru Dreamland
JF: :zzz::inlove::zzz::inlove::zzz::inlove:

....But I'm sure she'll be faithful from here on out:p....just quit punting on 3rd down;it's like being 'premature';)

DownInAHole
Oct 8th, 2012, 08:47 AM
Don't leave me baby! I'll change!

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lf5solx7Hm1qzldwr.gif

Kramer was right, it worked! I have hand!
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bruce goose
Oct 8th, 2012, 06:37 PM
Kramer was right, it worked! I have hand!Well,since you're more sure of yourself now,does that mean that you wouldn't mind if I had JF over for the Monday Night Game:angel:?It features her favorite team's archrival,the Jets,vs. SB frontrunner Houston.I promise that we would ONLY watch football and that I wouldn't rub her legs down with baby powder until she purred like a kitten on my lap again....Yep,just a platonic football game for two fans.....Whaddaya say:p?

DownInAHole
Oct 8th, 2012, 06:57 PM
Well,since you're more sure of yourself now,does that mean that you wouldn't mind if I had JF over for the Monday Night Game:angel:?It features her favorite team's archrival,the Jets,vs. SB frontrunner Houston.I promise that we would ONLY watch football and that I wouldn't rub her legs down with baby powder until she purred like a kitten on my lap again....Yep,just a platonic football game for two fans.....Whaddaya say:p?

I'm a kindly and trusting canuck, that sounds fine to me.;)

Something I am curious about. You seem to be fairly anti-American, how is it that you became a fan of something so American as the National Football League?

JadeFox
Oct 8th, 2012, 07:38 PM
Kramer was right, it worked! I have hand!
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See how can I ever not love you? :lol:

Well,since you're more sure of yourself now,does that mean that you wouldn't mind if I had JF over for the Monday Night Game:angel:?It features her favorite team's archrival,the Jets,vs. SB frontrunner Houston.I promise that we would ONLY watch football and that I wouldn't rub her legs down with baby powder until she purred like a kitten on my lap again....Yep,just a platonic football game for two fans.....Whaddaya say:p?

I actually try to avoid watching Jets games cause I hate them that much. :fiery: Alas, since the division is always at stake I watch to make sure they still suck.

Just keep your hands to yourself this time. :p

bruce goose
Oct 8th, 2012, 08:21 PM
Just keep your hands to yourself this time. :pYou should at least make it sound like you MEAN it:lol:

bruce goose
Oct 8th, 2012, 08:31 PM
I'm a kindly and trusting canuck, that sounds fine to me.;)

Something I am curious about. You seem to be fairly anti-American, how is it that you became a fan of something so American as the National Football League?Okay,here's some friendly advice since you're such a dork in the romantic department: Don't EVER leave your gf alone with a handsome Latino or Italian unless you're sure that she has rock-solid willpower...just take a look at the latter part of post #240;)...but you're LUCKY,in this case,cuz there are many miles between me and JF:p

To answer your question,you might be surprised how popular brown football is here in the North;it's probably our fourth-most-popular sport behind soccer and baseball...and it's only slightly behind basketball...mostly cuz we've had a b-ball league for several decades.There are lots of guys...and SOME gals...who prefer the physical sports(you've likely heard how huge boxing is here),and they can't stand soccer and all the sissy flopping....In MY case,though,I grew up in the U.S. and was sort of raised on the NFL...so that made things easy....Also,the Americans have better steaks b/c our ranchers load the cattle up with so many drugs to make them grow quickly:rolleyes:...and the country music isn't that bad,either;we have our own style called 'ranchero'.......Other than those three things,though,I can't think of anything that I like much about the U.S.:lol:.....Gotta run:wavey:

TennisFan66
Oct 16th, 2012, 09:01 PM
So .... Germany - Sweden ... from 4-0 to 4-4 :eek:

How is that even possible.

Blu€
Oct 16th, 2012, 11:52 PM
So .... Germany - Sweden ... from 4-0 to 4-4 :eek:

How is that even possible.

That's a huuuge comeback, I'd be happy for Sweden if they didn't have Ibrahimovic, he's such a jerk.

TennisFan66
Oct 17th, 2012, 08:25 AM
That's a huuuge comeback, I'd be happy for Sweden if they didn't have Ibrahimovic, he's such a jerk.

Yeah, Zlatan isn't exactly what you'd call 'likable', but he's one of the best strikers in the world, so I suppose most Swedes forgive him his behaviour.

Chrissie-fan
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:06 PM
That's a huuuge comeback, I'd be happy for Sweden if they didn't have Ibrahimovic, he's such a jerk.
Yep, but if you're as good as he is nothing else really matters.

On another note, Belgium is at last putting some good results together. They have had some great players for a few years now, but they didn't really jell as a team....up until now. And not only are they winning, they actually are playing some pretty attractive football.

Blu€
Oct 17th, 2012, 07:32 PM
Yeah, Zlatan isn't exactly what you'd call 'likable', but he's one of the best strikers in the world, so I suppose most Swedes forgive him his behaviour.

I guess they have no choice, it's understandable.

Yep, but if you're as good as he is nothing else really matters.

Nothing else matters for him, he can be great but if his personality sucks...it won't do him any favours, fans and media wise. And it's not like his making friends on the pitch, look at what happened against Faroe Islands.

TennisFan66
Oct 17th, 2012, 09:20 PM
Yep, but if you're as good as he is nothing else really matters.


Or at least that's the populated Anglo Saxon world view. Personally, I do not see, why someone 'famous' or 'talented' or 'skilled' should be excused for being an arsehat.

Zlatan is by far Swedens best player, so - as I mentioned above - they sort of tolerate him. What else can they do?

Denmark has a similar problem. The best striker (though levels below Zlatan. Premier League Vs Blue Square), Bendtner, is a pure premiere arsehat. The stupid things this lad has done is ... well, near countless. But the media and Danish FA does nothing but glorify him and make excuses for him every time he focks up. *sighs*

bruce goose
Oct 19th, 2012, 04:52 AM
So .... Germany - Sweden ... from 4-0 to 4-4 :eek:

How is that even possible.Well,speaking of which....though I know that you Europeans don't have much respect for North America(understandably so).....Canada lost to Honduras EIGHT TO ONE!!! in regional competition.Honduras isn't a BAD team,of course,but it's hard to lose by 8-1 even against a WC title contender...let alone Honduras.There IS a logical explanation,however: The Canadian coach told his team the day prior that they had to score lots of goals and,after an all-night ale-drinking binge,they showed up to play in ice hockey uniforms and,having failed to bring any backup gear,they had to compete the entire match in those outfits

bruce goose
Oct 26th, 2012, 04:03 AM
Okay,YOU folks are definitely the ones to ask about this: Do tennis mags and webpages usually employ the same people to cover both the ATP and WTA,or do they use different individuals?....And my follow up to that is,Do reporters display the same shameful,weepy assclown demeanor for the ATP as the ones who treat WTA players like fragile porcelain mice?Do they post manure such as,"Oh poor Tsonga is cursed with such bad luck:sad:,he could be the most dominant player EVER if it weren't for that:sobbing:...."

I just know that an NFL Quarterback would become a JOKE with the football media AND the fans AND,especially,his teammates if he threw 4 interceptions in a big game and then tried to blame his performance on a sudden viral illness:rolleyes:.Are there ANY reporters who hold bullshit-spewing WTA'ers accountable with questions like,"____(insert whatever name),you CLAIM to be training hard,yet you were seen by several onlookers cozying up with your bf ALL weekend...what was so strenuous about THAT?".....If there IS such a reporter,then I ought to start reading him/her;the WTA website has become almost nauseating with how they blindly regurgitate the same recycled injury excuses over and over and....