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bruce goose
Nov 9th, 2012, 04:36 PM
Did anyone else see the Premier League matchup between Real Madrid and the American team,Football Club of Orlando?The score was 15-0--in Real Madrid's favor,of course--and the match was stopped in the 61st minute because the net became shredded by the multitude of balls that had been shot into it:p...and they didn't have a replacement on hand.

Protoss
Jan 1st, 2013, 12:50 PM
Busy day in the Nfl yesterday with all the firings.

Trey
Jan 5th, 2013, 04:56 AM
omg so happy Grigor Dimitrov finally made a final and having a breakthrough year so far

bruce goose
Jan 5th, 2013, 06:01 AM
Busy day in the Nfl yesterday with all the firings.That day following the final Sunday of the regular season is traditionally called 'Black Monday' for that very reason

Protoss
Jan 5th, 2013, 06:22 AM
That day following the final Sunday of the regular season is traditionally called 'Black Monday' for that very reason
How's your confidence in Joe Flacco these days? I think the Ravens are gonna need him to play well to make a run as their defense has declined this year.

bruce goose
Jan 5th, 2013, 07:11 AM
How's your confidence in Joe Flacco these days? I think the Ravens are gonna need him to play well to make a run as their defense has declined this year.We should be able to squeak by the Colts,which would lead to a semifinal matchup in Denver or New England.We'd have NO chance against the Broncos and would be unlikely to beat the Pats for the second time this year.We'd have a fighting chance vs. NE cuz of their own weak defense,yet it's easier for me to imagine more Flacco f-ups in the cold weather up there.

You ask how my confidence in Passenger Joe is---the same as always....which is to say,NONEXISTENT.He's the same douchebag he's always been...a good front-runner who does well if you give him absolutely perfect pass protection....His ball-protection skills(even taking snaps from center) are abysmal and his field vision is comparable to how Mr.Magoo's might be.His decision-making is about equal to what you'd expect from a college wishbone QB who threw the ball only 4 or 5 times per game.My hope is that we trade him to somewhere like KC,Jacksonville or Arizona...so that we can get some young,promising player(s) in return and also expose that whiny vergologo for the fraud that he really is.........That's enough negativity for tonight,though,as I'm off to bed,my young European;) Caro-loving colleague:wavey:

Chrissie-fan
Jan 5th, 2013, 12:59 PM
I don't know if anyone watched any ATP tennis given all the great WTA action this week, but I've managed to sneak in a match or two and I must say that Davydenko looks extremely impressive. Yesterday he completely destroyed Ferrer. Today he plays Gasquet who he has a negative h2h against. But yesterday was the best that I've seen Davydenko play - not just in the last couple of years, but ever.

DownInAHole
Jan 5th, 2013, 03:01 PM
This is a sad day for Canada. Russia won today's bronze medal match at the World Junior Championships. No gold, silver or bronze for Canada this year. Producing winning hockey teams is all that we are good at, if you take that away what do we have left?:sad:

Protoss
Jan 5th, 2013, 03:13 PM
This is a sad day for Canada. Russia won today's bronze medal match at the World Junior Championships. No gold, silver or bronze for Canada this year. Producing winning hockey teams is all that we are good at, if you take that away what do we have left?:sad:
Curling. :p

These are only juniors. You guys won the Olympic men's and women's gold in hockey in 2010. :) Plus you still got the Nhl when they're not locked out.

angliru
Jan 5th, 2013, 03:18 PM
This is a sad day for Canada. Russia won today's bronze medal match at the World Junior Championships. No gold, silver or bronze for Canada this year. Producing winning hockey teams is all that we are good at, if you take that away what do we have left?:sad:
Speaking of juniors, perhaps a Wimbledon winner?

http://i.imgur.com/8U2Wt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/BdLyf.jpg

DownInAHole
Jan 5th, 2013, 08:18 PM
Speaking of juniors, perhaps a Wimbledon winner?


But what has she done for us lately?:p

TennisFan66
Jan 5th, 2013, 09:11 PM
This is a sad day for Canada. Russia won today's bronze medal match at the World Junior Championships. No gold, silver or bronze for Canada this year. Producing winning hockey teams is all that we are good at, if you take that away what do we have left?:sad:

o368zUnfuys

angliru
Jan 5th, 2013, 09:42 PM
But what has she done for us lately?:p
Probably more than the Canadian hockey juniors according to one of our knowledgeable Canadian members ;)

And certainly more than the hockey pros this season. Besides, her smile is cute and she still has all her teeth :cool:

bruce goose
Jan 6th, 2013, 04:27 AM
o368zUnfuysThis is quite a strenuous competition,eh?I rather enjoyed the fiddle accompaniment,and it's nice to see that Canadians can at least use weapons of violence against inanimate objects

DownInAHole
Jan 16th, 2013, 08:37 AM
It feels weird to me to be watching a slam and not to have Andy Roddick playing in it. I started watching tennis around the time when he was an up and coming youngster and the fact that he retired makes me feel old.:lol:

Also, considering his many injury problems I find it odd that Hewitt is still playing. Considering his level of play over the last five years I definitely thought that he would retire before Andy.

Protoss
Jan 19th, 2013, 09:40 AM
Whew. Fed wins the 2nd set tiebreak 7-5 after being down 4-1 and 5-3 in the tiebreak. :) Fed won the 1st set 6-4. :)

It was rather annoying the 2nd set went to a tiebreak as Fed had break points in three of Tomic's service games and was up 30-0 in another game while Fed didn't face any break points in the 2nd set and I don't think he was down 0-30 in any of his service games.

Protoss
Jan 19th, 2013, 10:11 AM
Fed holds for 6-1 3rd set at love. :) Fed faced his 1st break point of the match in the 1st game of the 3rd set but he saved and broke in the following game. Fed broke for 5-1 3rd set after being down two game points.

I rather dislike that Tomic. :( He seems very arrogant, disrepectufl. :(

TennisFan66
Jan 19th, 2013, 11:33 AM
Liar liar, pants on fire ...

Yes, Lance Armstrong, I'm talking to YOU ...

Clean from 2005 ... :rolleyes:

So calculated ... I think I really do hate that guy. (and I know that's a strong word to use).

Chrissie-fan
Jan 19th, 2013, 11:51 AM
Liar liar, pants on fire ...

Yes, Lance Armstrong, I'm talking to YOU ...

Clean from 2005 ... :rolleyes:

So calculated ... I think I really do hate that guy. (and I know that's a strong word to use).
The doping.....up to a point I can forgive him for that. "Everyone did it" is a rather lame excuse I suppose, but nevertheless the fact is that indeed "everyone did it." But his lifelong (or career long) habit to threaten everyone that spoke the truth and his attempts to drag everyone down with him are harder to forgive. It's going to take more than a chat with Oprah to correct all the wrongs he's done.

C. W. Fields
Jan 19th, 2013, 11:54 AM
Liar liar, pants on fire ...

Yes, Lance Armstrong, I'm talking to YOU ...

Clean from 2005 ... :rolleyes:

So calculated ... I think I really do hate that guy. (and I know that's a strong word to use).

http://i.imgur.com/PW5O2Cu.jpg

TennisFan66
Jan 19th, 2013, 12:20 PM
The doping.....up to a point I can forgive him for that. "Everyone did it" is a rather lame excuse I suppose, but nevertheless the fact is that indeed "everyone did it." But his lifelong (or career long) habit to threaten everyone that spoke the truth and his attempts to drag everyone down with him are harder to forgive. It's going to take more than a chat with Oprah to correct all the wrongs he's done.

I know. I read a short article about the masseuse, who told the truth back in .. early part of '00 .. How she helped him cover up all his needle marks with make-up.

Armstrong of course denied and tried the best he could to totally ruin her life. Send his entire army of high paid lawyers after this one girl.

Fokking b@stard.

C. W. Fields
Jan 19th, 2013, 01:24 PM
Giles Simon right now is reminding me of Caro in YEC 09: a walking wounded, barely able to serve!

Edit: And like Caro he somehow managed to pull through.

Protoss
Jan 19th, 2013, 04:05 PM
Liar liar, pants on fire ...

Yes, Lance Armstrong, I'm talking to YOU ...

Clean from 2005 ... :rolleyes:

So calculated ... I think I really do hate that guy. (and I know that's a strong word to use).
Why 2005? Is there some significance to that date?

Bonfire
Jan 19th, 2013, 04:23 PM
The doping.....up to a point I can forgive him for that. "Everyone did it" is a rather lame excuse I suppose, but nevertheless the fact is that indeed "everyone did it." But his lifelong (or career long) habit to threaten everyone that spoke the truth and his attempts to drag everyone down with him are harder to forgive. It's going to take more than a chat with Oprah to correct all the wrongs he's done.

exactly! It's one thing to be exposed for doing something bad that most others are doing as well but all these reports of him ruining anyone who would potentially let his secret out is disgusting. He really comes off as a monster but I've witnessed steroids do that to many people. He was probably a tool beforehand but the drugs wouldn't have helped his personality either.

terjw
Jan 19th, 2013, 05:00 PM
Yeah I don't like the destroying people's lives who questioned it. And on that he needs to face up to what he did. But he's right when he says in a matter of fact way that drugs / doping was like breathing and eating. You had to do it back then if you wanted to have any hope of winning the Tour de France. They were all at it. I don't agree with stripping anyone of their titles either. Any sporting event I think there has to be a finite time after which the result stays come what may. There has to be some finality otherwise we cannot actually know if anyone won anything at all in any sport if a result can be changed at any time in the future.

All this reminds me that last week I think - one of the Sky Film channels was showing the film "Dodgeball" and I was watching that. Anyway - near the end - Vince Vaughn (a good guy for once!?!) captain of the underdogs had walked out of playing in the final against the bad guy Ben Stiller's team. Vince was drowning his sorrows in a bar. When up pops Lance Armstrong in the film and gives Vince a pep talk about how he (Lance) fought back from cancer to be a multi Tour de France winner :tape:. This inspires Vince who arrives at the last minute to play the final which they of course win. Ironic too that in an earlier qualifying match - Vince's dodgeball team got defeated by a girl scout team but win by default when the girl Scouts are disqualified because of steroid use.

Anyway fancy them putting that film on again at this time.

TennisFan66
Jan 19th, 2013, 07:47 PM
Why 2005? Is there some significance to that date?

If his life-long ban is softened, the reduced sentence is likely to be 8 years. 2005 + 8 = ... da da ... 2013.

C. W. Fields
Jan 20th, 2013, 10:41 AM
Djokovic is down 1-6, 2-5 against Wawrinka!! :eek:
If Djoker loses this match it'll be the biggest upset so far in this AO, by miles!

Protoss
Jan 20th, 2013, 10:49 AM
Wawrinka broken for 5-4 2nd set at 30-40 after being up 30-0 and up 5-2. :rolleyes:

Bye bye Wawrinka...Djokovic in 4. :(

Protoss
Jan 20th, 2013, 10:52 AM
I'm wondering how many more games Wawrinka will win in this match.

DownInAHole
Jan 20th, 2013, 10:58 AM
I guess there is a valid reason why Novak has a "1" next to his name and Stanislas has a "15" next to his name.

backhandsmash
Jan 20th, 2013, 11:02 AM
Wawrinka only made 3 ue's in the 1st set, but he's made about 20 in the 2nd. Yes, Djokovic in 4 for sure.

C. W. Fields
Jan 20th, 2013, 11:06 AM
1-6, 7-5, an almost Caro-like comeback from Djoker: he didn't start hitting lots of winners all of a sudden but he ran down everything and continued to get the ball back deep until the opponent missed.
Wawrinka also got tight from 5-3, 30-0, he didn't land many good serves from that point.

Edit: The way Djoker won that bp for 1-0 must be incredibly disheartening for Wawrinka!
Only for Djoker to gift the break back from 40-15, 1-1.
Commentator says; "No one really likes to hit passing shots". He should meet Caro!
Djoker breaks to 5-4 and holds to 6-4.
Wawrinka takes the TB, they're going to a decider! Excellent point that last one.
Wawrinka starts out with a break, 1-0.
Djoker breaks right back, 1-1.
They're passing the 4 hrs mark with Wawrinka serving at 3-4.
Djoker survives 4 bps, 5-4. Wawrinka serving to stay in the match.
It's 1 AM and both players are beat: Djoker has a sore back and Wawrinka is on the verge of leg cramps as he prepares to serve, 5-6.
4½ hrs played, 8-7 Djoker.
10-9 Djoker. How long can Wawrinka continue to play catchup?
10-10. Both players are much better on serve, no bps since 4-4.
Djoker wins on 3rd mp 1-6, 7-5, 6-4, 6-7(5), 12-10 after 5 hrs 2 mins!
In about just 40 hrs he will play Berdych who won in straight sets today, and it's still only QF!

backhandsmash
Jan 20th, 2013, 02:44 PM
Easy-peasy for Djokovic. :)

Protoss
Jan 20th, 2013, 02:51 PM
Linesperson and umpire screwed up on Wawrinka's fourth break point at 4-4 5th set. :(

Way too many missed opportunities for Wawrinka. :rolleyes:

backhandsmash
Jan 20th, 2013, 02:55 PM
How so?

angliru
Jan 20th, 2013, 03:00 PM
Frederik Nielsen ‏@freddienielsen:

Jeez what a finish! Impressive effort by Wawrinka - he'll be gone with that call on breakpoint. But again a great advert for our sport!

I couldn't watch the match, so I don't know what happened...

Protoss
Jan 20th, 2013, 03:02 PM
How so?
Warwinka hit a return that was on the line but the linesperson called it out. Then the umpire confirmed it. :rolleyes:

Protoss
Jan 20th, 2013, 03:08 PM
These courts are still too slow. :(

backhandsmash
Jan 20th, 2013, 03:08 PM
Warinka hit a return that was on the line but the linesperson called it out. Then the umpire confirmed it. :rolleyes:

Was that when he was out of challenges (or maybe just had 1 left)? The one where the commentators clearly saw the Hawkeye video, but us mere mortals were not allowed?

Protoss
Jan 20th, 2013, 03:17 PM
Was that when he was out of challenges (or maybe just had 1 left)? The one where the commentators clearly saw the Hawkeye video, but us mere mortals were not allowed?
The Hawkeye image was shown on Espn 2.

Yah, he had 1 challenge left. :(

backhandsmash
Jan 20th, 2013, 03:32 PM
Oh man, that sucks for Wawrinka. It would have been all over for Djokovic, the way Wawrinka was serving.

Protoss
Jan 20th, 2013, 04:23 PM
I'm hoping for a Falcons/Patriots Superbowl now. My original preference going into the playoffs was a Packers/Broncos Superbowl.

bruce goose
Jan 20th, 2013, 05:33 PM
I'm hoping for a Falcons/Patriots Superbowl now. My original preference going into the playoffs was a Packers/Broncos Superbowl.You were only dreaming on the Packers with THAT weak defense,but the Broncos should be hosting the AFC title game this week and were a SB-caliber team.Unfortunately for them,their coach choked under the pressure of being on the big stage again.When the coach goes all conservative and is afraid to call the plays that brought the team success, the players can feed off that negative energy in a bad way.It destroys the team's rhythm and takes away their swagger and confidence...and yet they STILL almost won last week.I feel sorry for the Bronco fans,actually.

No need to explain why the Patriots are favored to cover half of your new wish,but the Falcons will have a tougher time of it.In retrospect,it's silly that Harbaugh rushed Kaepernick along because there aren't any truly elite defenses in the NFC where Alex Smith's lesser mobility would've stopped the 49ers from reaching the SB.Smith had had an excellent season prior to the injury,and he's far,FAR more mature than Kaepernick...who's talented yet prone to making dumb,rookie-type mistakes.Normally,the 49ers would be doomed to lose b/c of some playoff choke from their too-raw QB but,as I said,the Niners might luck out this year due to the absence of top defensive squads amongst the remaining contenders.

Having said that,the 49ers are a better team than the Falcons...whose best hope is to get some early scores and a lead on the 49ers which would allow the Falcs to use the home crowd noise to disrupt the Niners play calls...and the noise also helps the perimeter and overall pass rush.These factors could help create key turnovers for the Falcons,but I can't see Ryan and company scoring 30 points on the more seasoned 49er defense as they did vs. the young Seahawks last week.Ryan will need to have a superb game with spot-on passing for them to have REAL hope,IMO...unless the Falcons defense can somehow keep it a low-scoring game...which is hard to picture

bruce goose
Jan 21st, 2013, 06:35 AM
I'm hoping for a Falcons/Patriots Superbowl now. My original preference going into the playoffs was a Packers/Broncos Superbowl.Well,Protoss,Flacco made me eat my words today;he's had isolated clutch moments in reg. season games,but he's never stepped up in the playoffs prior to this year.This might be an encouragement to Cowboys fans since--IMO--Romo is,overall,more of a skilled QB than Flacco.

He STILL hasn't faced much of a pass rush these playoffs;the freezing cold in Denver slowed down their quick pass-rushers,and NE had a weak defense to begin with.....SF is certainly capable of bringing heat,yet they haven't done much so far against Rodgers and Ryan.Perhaps they were afraid to blitz against such top QBs(though Ryan won't be in Rodgers' class until he proves that he can lead his team to a SB w/o choking)....Anyway,we'll see next year if this postseason was a true breakthrough for Flacco or a one-time wonder

Protoss
Jan 22nd, 2013, 04:19 AM
Almagro starting his attempt for an epic meltdown...was up 2 sets to love and 5-3 3rd set but was just broken for 5-7 at love. :rolleyes: He hadn't been broken in the match up til serving for the match.

Protoss
Jan 22nd, 2013, 05:59 AM
Ferrer wins the 5th set 6-2. Almagro served for the match twice in the 4th set, 3 times total for the match, and lost the 4th set tiebreak 7-4. :rolleyes:

bruce goose
Jan 22nd, 2013, 08:02 AM
Ferrer wins the 5th set 6-2. Almagra served for the match twice in the 4th set, 3 times total for the match, and lost the 4th set tiebreak 7-4. :rolleyes:Protoss,I'm sorry that Almagro let you down with his choking and,what's worse,by watching that match you missed a thrilling Champion's League encounter between Italy's Inter and the American team,Football Club of Milwaukee.The score was 14-0,in Inter's favor(of course),when the referee blew his whistle and Inter mistakenly thought that he was calling the match....They hastily ran off the field to catch the bus and beat the traffic to the local dance club where they were having a Ladies' Night promotion...but the ref was actually adding 10 seconds of injury time onto the clock.Since Inter had abandoned the field,the Americans were only playing with themselves,and they desperately rushed down the field and were barely able to aim the ball into an empty net before time expired,making the final score 14-1....It was an AWESOME finish:cool:!

Getting back to the AO for a second,I always like receiving input and predictions from many of you who have a better technical knowledge of the sport.Li is definitely a notch above any of the opponents Masha has smashed so far(and that includes Venus who,unfortunately,is usually a shadow of her former self:o)....Do you think that Li has a realistic shot in the semis??....Others are welcome to offer predictions,too,but I'll read them tomorrow cuz it's time for more sweet dreams like the one from a couple nights back;):wavey:

Protoss
Jan 22nd, 2013, 09:17 AM
Berdych is so freaking pathetic. :rolleyes:

Protoss
Jan 22nd, 2013, 10:11 AM
Berdych remembers how to play tennis as he takes the 2nd set 6-4 after saving 4 break points. :)

DownInAHole
Jan 22nd, 2013, 10:43 AM
Protoss, maybe you should just pretend that the match ended after the second set. I don't think the third set is going to impress you.

bruce goose
Jan 22nd, 2013, 04:36 PM
Protoss, maybe you should just pretend that the match ended after the second set. I don't think the third set is going to impress you.Well,he was so captivated by it that he ignored my invitation to comment on the semis;).....Can't wait to hear his thoughts on the APAC Mouse-racing Championships,where tough opponents such as Scooter,Half-badger,Possum Hater...and don't forget Ronald... will try to end Rodent Express Train's(R.E.T.)winning streak at the mouse racing Slams.Half-badger absolutely smoked R.E.T. at one of the warm-up races to the APACs,and the other top contenders have Slam titles,too...so an upset is highly possible there

Chrissie-fan
Jan 22nd, 2013, 08:03 PM
Getting back to the AO for a second,I always like receiving input and predictions from many of you who have a better technical knowledge of the sport.Li is definitely a notch above any of the opponents Masha has smashed so far(and that includes Venus who,unfortunately,is usually a shadow of her former self:o)....Do you think that Li has a realistic shot in the semis??....Others are welcome to offer predictions,too,but I'll read them tomorrow cuz it's time for more sweet dreams like the one from a couple nights back;):wavey:
It's a matter of temperament. If Li can keep her cool and let as Rodriguez says 'her head rule her heart' instead of the other way around I think she has a real shot at beating Maria (or anyone not named Serena for that matter). I think that Rodriguez is having a calming effect on Na. Her match against Radwanska was a good illustration of that fact. Aga brought a lot of balls back. The Li of old might have freaked out and started to overpress, but 'the new Li' patiently waited for the right ball to go for it. Sharapova is of course a very different type of player than Aga, but if she keeps her mind on the job and doesn't panic no matter what happens I think Na has a real chance. Maybe not quite 50/50 because Maria has been very impressive so far, but 45/55 don't seem unrealistic odds to me.....IF she can keep her cool, that is. ;)

bruce goose
Jan 22nd, 2013, 08:51 PM
It's a matter of temperament. If Li can keep her cool and let as Rodriguez says 'her head rule her heart' instead of the other way around I think she has a real shot at beating Maria (or anyone not named Serena for that matter). I think that Rodriguez is having a calming effect on Na. Her match against Radwanska was a good illustration of that fact. Aga brought a lot of balls back. The Li of old might have freaked out and started to overpress, but 'the new Li' patiently waited for the right ball to go for it. Sharapova is of course a very different type of player than Aga, but if she keeps her mind on the job and doesn't panic no matter what happens I think Na has a real chance. Maybe not quite 50/50 because Maria has been very impressive so far, but 45/55 don't seem unrealistic odds to me.....IF she can keep her cool, that is. ;)I disagree with your 'anyone except Serena' comment,and I have a link to the H2H between Li and Ree
http://www.wtatennis.com/head2head/player1/4846/player2/9044

Granted,1-6 isn't a sparkling H2H,but look at those scores: NOT ONE one of them is a blowout loss,and Li came back from a 1st-set bagel to defeat Serena in her one victory.Most observers say that she controlled that match from the 2nd set on.To me,Li is an almost ideal matchup for SW because she's still quick enough to get lots of balls back,and she hits sufficiently hard--with good placement,at times--to smack SW off the court and end points quickly....if Li's serve is going well,then we'll REALLY see a close match,IMO...if they meet in the finals.

Obviously,SW can reach a zone where she's almost untouchable,but such a level is uncommon even for her.She's tough enough in her normal state yet,based on previous matchups,I'd never be surprised to read that Li beat SW...with the possible exception of a grass-court encounter

Chrissie-fan
Jan 22nd, 2013, 09:32 PM
I disagree with your 'anyone except Serena' comment,and I have a link to the H2H between Li and Ree
http://www.wtatennis.com/head2head/player1/4846/player2/9044

Granted,1-6 isn't a sparkling H2H,but look at those scores: NOT ONE one of them is a blowout loss,and Li came back from a 1st-set bagel to defeat Serena in her one victory.Most observers say that she controlled that match from the 2nd set on.To me,Li is an almost ideal matchup for SW because she's still quick enough to get lots of balls back,and she hits sufficiently hard--with good placement,at times--to smack SW off the court and end points quickly....if Li's serve is going well,then we'll REALLY see a close match,IMO...if they meet in the finals.

Obviously,SW can reach a zone where she's almost untouchable,but such a level is uncommon even for her.She's tough enough in her normal state yet,based on previous matchups,I'd never be surprised to read that Li beat SW...with the possible exception of a grass-court encounter
Well, I guess that like most I'm caught up in that whole 'Serena is unbeatable' histeria even though deep down inside I don't believe anyone is or has ever been truly unbeatable. But yeah, Sam Smith (the analyst I respect above all others) said last year that Li Na at her best is the only player with a chance of beating a Serena who plays well herself. I don't know about the 'the only' part, but when Sam Smith holds Li in such high regard it means something, at least to me.

bruce goose
Jan 23rd, 2013, 06:46 AM
Well, I guess that like most I'm caught up in that whole 'Serena is unbeatable' histeria even though deep down inside I don't believe anyone is or has ever been truly unbeatable. But yeah, Sam Smith (the analyst I respect above all others) said last year that Li Na at her best is the only player with a chance of beating a Serena who plays well herself. I don't know about the 'the only' part, but when Sam Smith holds Li in such high regard it means something, at least to me.A little disappointing that neither you nor Protoss chose to comment on the APAC mouse-racing championships;)

A lot of folks will rightfully use the injury as an excuse after tonight,but it wouldn't be unfair to suggest that SW was PRONE to getting injured in part due to her body type and style of play...and age is likely a factor,too.It's clear that she'd be lucky to last an entire year on a full schedule,so it's semi-understandable that she'd take a few breaks with little or no tourneys during the season.By the same token,she can make a claim for best player if she wishes,yet her limited schedule disqualifies her from the #1 player discussion unless she dominates on all surfaces and/or goes unbeaten

Protoss
Jan 23rd, 2013, 11:45 AM
Fed in a 5th set against Tsonga. :scared:

Protoss
Jan 23rd, 2013, 12:19 PM
Whew. Fed holds for 6-3 5th set at 40-30 from 15-30, on his 5th match point. :)

bruce goose
Jan 23rd, 2013, 02:45 PM
Whew. Fed holds for 6-3 5th set at 40-30 from 15-30, on his 5th match point. :)Congrats to Fed:),and I'm sure you'll be interested that 'Ronald' won the APACs...which was a surprise to many commentators who felt that,since he's an older mouse,he might wear down over the course of the championships....but,like Fed,he managed to come through vs. the young challengers;)

C. W. Fields
Jan 24th, 2013, 09:19 AM
They're playing the men's SFs on different days! Do you remember, is that normal for AO?

KleineBiere
Jan 24th, 2013, 10:02 AM
They're playing the men's SFs on different days! Do you remember, is that normal for AO?

Yes.

Djokovic :eek: Poor David :(

DownInAHole
Jan 25th, 2013, 07:37 AM
So how badly do you think that Murray is going to defeat Federer? I think that the old man will find a way to win won set so I'm picking Murray in four.

Protoss
Jan 25th, 2013, 10:33 AM
Whew. Fed wins the 2nd set tiebreak 7-5. :)

Fed lost the 1st set 6-4 and it seemed a lot less close than the score indicated to me as Fed was constantly struggling on his service games (faced break points in three out of four of them) and Murray wasn't.

DownInAHole
Jan 25th, 2013, 11:01 AM
I suspect the match is just about over. Even if Roger wins the fourth I don't see him winning a fifth set.

Protoss
Jan 25th, 2013, 12:19 PM
Wow. What a turn of events. Fed wins the 4th set tiebreak 7-2 after Murray had 30-15 on his serve at 6-5. :)

Fed was up 4-1 4th set, 4-2 30-15 (Fed serving), and had a break point at 4-3 4th set.

C. W. Fields
Jan 25th, 2013, 12:22 PM
Good thing for Murray this is AO and not USO: there's no fifth set TB! ;)

terjw
Jan 25th, 2013, 12:47 PM
Good thing for Murray this is AO and not USO: there's no fifth set TB! ;)

Well done Murray. :bounce:Now win it all and take out Novak in the final.

Protoss
Jan 25th, 2013, 12:49 PM
What was the point of fighting back in the 4th set only to play like garbage in the 5th set? :rolleyes: Fed broken for 2-6 5th set at 30-40 from 15-40. :(

Couldn't even force Murray to serve for the match again. :(

backhandsmash
Jan 25th, 2013, 12:51 PM
Win it again, Novak! Your most troublesome opponent is OUT!

Protoss
Jan 25th, 2013, 12:53 PM
3 winners 13 unforced errors in the 5th set for Fed. :rolleyes: It's no wonder he has such a mediocre 5th set record.

C. W. Fields
Jan 25th, 2013, 02:34 PM
Funny, both finals will feature the defending champion against the runner-up from two years ago.

bruce goose
Jan 25th, 2013, 04:53 PM
So how badly do you think that Murray is going to defeat Federer? I think that the old man will find a way to win---WON---set so I'm picking Murray in four.Sometimes,ESPN has televised spelling bee competitions.......

.......And NOW,here's Kanneduh's Nnashunel Phynulls,starring DIAH,the only quasi-English speaker in Nunavut province and,thus,the only eligible contestant from that area:p

The basic numbers chart....DIAH-style:lol:

Won
Too
Tree
For
Fife
Sex
Sever
Ate
Mine
Tin

Chrissie-fan
Jan 25th, 2013, 06:52 PM
What was the point of fighting back in the 4th set only to play like garbage in the 5th set? :rolleyes: Fed broken for 2-6 5th set at 30-40 from 15-40. :(

Couldn't even force Murray to serve for the match again. :(
What does it matter really? Fed played a great tournament AGAIN. After winning Wimbledon last year and breaking the record for weeks at number one (and surpassing the 300 barrier at that).....anything more is just a bonus. He's got nothing whatsoever to prove anymore. For Murray or even Djokovic to catch up with Fed they need to keep doing what the're doing now for another six or seven years. Good luck with that guys. :lol:

C. W. Fields
Jan 26th, 2013, 09:57 AM
Denmark beats the favorites from Croatia 30-24 in the Men's Handball World Cup SF to face host nation Spain in the final on Sunday. :)

Protoss
Jan 27th, 2013, 09:56 AM
Interesting. Murray wins the 1st set tiebreak 7-2 despite having no break points on Djokovic's serve. Djokovic had break points in a couple of Murray's service games.

Protoss
Jan 27th, 2013, 10:59 AM
Hmmmm. Djokovic wins the 2nd set tiebreak 7-3. The better player arguably lost both sets.

DownInAHole
Jan 27th, 2013, 10:59 AM
Novak takes the second set tiebreak. Okay, now we have a match!

Protoss
Jan 27th, 2013, 11:41 AM
Djokovic holds for 6-3 3rd set. Murray hasn't come close to breaking him since the 2nd game of the 2nd set (I think) where he had 40-0 on Djokovic's serve.

Protoss
Jan 27th, 2013, 12:13 PM
Murray broken for 1-4 4th set and that's the match. :(

backhandsmash
Jan 27th, 2013, 12:27 PM
And that was that. :bounce:

terjw
Jan 27th, 2013, 12:27 PM
Oh Murray :( Turning point must have been losing that 2nd set when it was there for the taking. Anyway - please come back strong and keep trying.

Protoss
Jan 27th, 2013, 12:29 PM
Slam winning tennis from Murray in sets 3 & 4...7 winners 23 unforced errors. :rolleyes:

Chrissie-fan
Jan 27th, 2013, 01:46 PM
For some reason the Djokovic/Murray rivalry doesn't appeal to me that much. Stylistically they are somewhat too similar for me and when they play each other I can't get emotionally involved (read I don't care who wins). Both are magnificent players, but I enjoy them playing Federer or Nadal, or even delPotro or Tsonga much more.

Trey
Jan 27th, 2013, 02:18 PM
Andy wish he could won his 2nd slam, he always come so close too winning at Australian Open, her gotta win there sooner or later, but big up too Novak Djokovic he such a fighter, I hope DelPotro can win his second slam this year it seem so long since he won the U.S. Open or Tsonga can finally make a breakthrough and win his first slam.

DownInAHole
Jan 27th, 2013, 03:28 PM
Andy wish he could won his 2nd slam, he always come so close too winning at Australian Open, her gotta win there sooner or later, but big up too Novak Djokovic he such a fighter, I hope DelPotro can win his second slam this year it seem so long since he won the U.S. Open or Tsonga can finally make a breakthrough and win his first slam.

It would certainly make things more interesting if del Potro could get back in the mix in the slams. Tsonga also has the game to be a contender but I just wonder if he has the mentality? With Nadal out for the last couple of slams the players ranked outside the top four have had a bit of an opportunity to sneak into a slam final but they didn't take advantage of it.

TennisFan66
Jan 27th, 2013, 04:06 PM
While we're waiting for the men's handball World Cup final between Spain and Denmark, 'Sweet Caroline' is blasted through the hall speakers :)

Martn7
Jan 27th, 2013, 05:05 PM
Spain crushing in the men's handball World Cup final at the half time :eek:

TennisFan66
Jan 27th, 2013, 05:44 PM
Spain crushing in the men's handball World Cup final at the half time :eek:

I think crushing is too kind. Annihilation would be a better word ... 35-19 ... The biggest goal difference EVER in a world cup men's handball final. EVER.

It's the equivalent of a tripple bagel ....

I am not really into men's handbold so fairly neutral, but maybe if the Danish press and players had shown Spain some respect and not been so incredibly arrogant before the match, Denmark would probably have fared better.

I have NEVER before seen such a 'we just have to show up to collect the Gold' attitude among Danish players, staff and media ... The Danish saying 'Hovmod står for fald' springs to mind.

Jorn
Jan 27th, 2013, 06:41 PM
Danmark :help:


Luckely I watch football ;) Just saw the score and zap away :o

C. W. Fields
Jan 27th, 2013, 06:51 PM
I have NEVER before seen such a 'we just have to show up to collect the Gold' attitude among Danish players, staff and media ... The Danish saying 'Hovmod står for fald' springs to mind.

They really said those things? The impression I got was that most considered it a 50-50 match.

TennisFan66
Jan 27th, 2013, 07:35 PM
They really said those things? The impression I got was that most considered it a 50-50 match.

Oh yes. Have a browse through BT and EB, TV2, DR ...

TennisFan66
Jan 31st, 2013, 02:30 PM
Danish cyclist Michael Rasmussen admits to 12 years of doping

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/21279737

backhandsmash
Jan 31st, 2013, 04:51 PM
Well, we all knew he was a doper. But so was/is Contador.

Blu€
Jan 31st, 2013, 08:30 PM
Well the question would be, who isn't doped in cycling? :o

terjw
Jan 31st, 2013, 11:31 PM
Well the question would be, who isn't doped in cycling? :o

That was my reaction. I don't really care anymore. It was rife in cycling. I used to follow tour de France round about when Pedro Delgado won and then when Miguel Indurain was winning. Then came all the drug scandals and I lost interest. I really hope they've cleaned it up now but I have drawn a line over the past. What was done back then was done. I definitely got more interested again with Bradley Wiggins winning the Tour de France.

Chrissie-fan
Feb 1st, 2013, 03:09 AM
Well the question would be, who isn't doped in cycling? :o
I'm not the least bit interested in cycling. It's entire history is fake. If it came out that Rosewall, Laver, Connors, McEnroe, Borg, Sampras, Agassi, Federer and Nadal were all dopers who's titles are all taken away I'd stop watching tennis as well. I mean, WHY watch something when you know beforehand that a few weeks, months or years after the fact some suit will announce, "And the real winner was the guy who came in sixth." It's a waste of time. And a guy like Wiggins MAY be clean, but the sport of cycling has lost any "benefit of the doubt" ages ago.

TennisFan66
Feb 1st, 2013, 10:14 AM
IAnd a guy like Wiggins MAY be clean, but the sport of cycling has lost any "benefit of the doubt" ages ago.

Just don't ask him about it. He appears to take offense ;)

bruce goose
Feb 1st, 2013, 03:30 PM
I'm not the least bit interested in cycling. It's entire history is fake.And a guy like Wiggins MAY be clean, but the sport of cycling has lost any "benefit of the doubt" ages ago.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Woin1t9ArA
Wiggins:mad:!!!I'm gonna bury your career on behalf of all my little bike-amaniacs!:armed:

Chrissie-fan
Feb 1st, 2013, 06:55 PM
Just don't ask him about it. He appears to take offense ;)
And if he's clean I can definitely understand that. But cycling has always been a sport where everyone would put his right hand on the bible and swear that the're on the level. And time after time after time from one generation to the other they were found out to have told less than the truth, to put it mildly. Maybe Wiggins and the current crop really are the new beginning, but I've heard the "brand new start" story one too many times over the decades only to find out that the next generation was just as bad (or worse) as the previous one. At this point any such statements get nothing other than a :rolleyes: from me. With apologies to those who are clean, but I've had it with cycling.

terjw
Feb 2nd, 2013, 04:03 PM
And if he's clean I can definitely understand that. But cycling has always been a sport where everyone would put his right hand on the bible and swear that the're on the level. And time after time after time from one generation to the other they were found out to have told less than the truth, to put it mildly. Maybe Wiggins and the current crop really are the new beginning, but I've heard the "brand new start" story one too many times over the decades only to find out that the next generation was just as bad (or worse) as the previous one. At this point any such statements get nothing other than a :rolleyes: from me. With apologies to those who are clean, but I've had it with cycling.

I understand what you're saying but the difference to me is that I don't think there has really been "a brand new start" story until now. Time after time the line has been when someone is caught not to admit just how serious the problem was. It was the butt of jokes but the line I got was well that cyclist and/or that team that have failed the drug test have been naughty boys. But I never heard anyone say that now we caught that one team or individual it's a brand new start.

I'm not saying the problem has been cracked but I do think attitudes at the top have changed. I agree that it's going to take a long time before people are going to be convinced. On the one hand - cyclists must pass the tests. But also - the tests must not be seen as a "soft touch" and easy to breach. If the determination of driving out drugs from the game is maintained - I think the attitudes af many will gradually change when the jokes stop - and that it could be viewed as something of the past.

Incidentally - one thing I'm against is stripping anyone of their titles once a small prespecified finite time has elapsed - and that includes Armstrong. Does it mean anything like the real winner of the Tour de France one year was the rider who came in at #46. It's like looking back in history and discovering that a King cheated to become the King and was not the real person in line or bumped of the people who were in line. So we'll strip away the title that he was King. And on the analogy of Kings and Queens - their acts were horrendous. But it was then not now with different values and those dreadful things happened in a different era.

So I'm very much in favour of just drawing a line over the whole thing in the past. But there must not be a repeat where we have to draw another line.

Chrissie-fan
Feb 2nd, 2013, 05:56 PM
I've never been a big cycling fan myself, but in Belgium where I live you can't escape it because it's one of the two most popular sports over here, and possibly even THE most popular. Every important and semi-important race is on the telly, everyday there are countless articles about it in the newspapers and magazines, and so on. And Belgium has had countless legendary champions of the sport, including the by far greatest cyclist in history Eddy Merckx.

Merckx didn't just beat his rivals, he humiliated them. He dominated cycling more than Ali or Robinson did boxing, Pelé or Maradonna football, Jordan basketball, Comaneci gymnastics, Ruth baseball or Federer tennis. He won more important races than the numbers two, three and four in history combined and in much more dominant fashion than anyone before or since. In short, compared to him Armstrong looked like a nobody. And he was (surprise) of course caught three times taking PED. But he didn't win necessarily because of that alone, because most of his important contemporaries were exposed as cheats as well. Merckx was active in the late 60's and 70's. Ever since that time I'm used to doping stories in cycling. Rarely has there been a period of more than a few months without someone getting caught. And since cycling is so popular over here I was since my youth also aware of some of the 'scandals' of pre-Merckx cycling.

In Britain and the US the popularity of cycling is a relatively recent phenomenon and therefore they are probably not as familiar with the history of the sport as people from Belgium, France, Spain or Italy where cycling has always been one of the most popular sports. For me the Armstrong and co stories are hardly shocking or surprising. In fact I've never known it to be any different. Here's a pretty good and inevitably long, but nevertheless STILL incomplete wikipedia article about the history of PED in cycling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling

bruce goose
Feb 5th, 2013, 05:07 AM
We weren't the best team,but we made the big plays more consistently than any of the other squads during the playoff run.In a year when there were no clearly dominant teams,we managed to fill the vacuum by exploiting our foes' weaknesses.To me,it was truly an amazing,unforgettable stretch:cool:

bruce goose
Feb 6th, 2013, 05:12 AM
To me,it was foolish and risky of the NHL players to risk alienating the fanbase with another work stoppage less than a decade after the previous one......but they've been back for a little while now,and we'll see how faithful the fans are in the markets that aren't so rock solid

bruce goose
Feb 7th, 2013, 07:30 AM
Well,we didn't look so hot...playing a scoreless draw with Jamaica...unlike Honduras who got a nice 2-1 victory over the World Cup* Champions
*=World Cup of Salami Swallowing:devil:

C. W. Fields
Feb 13th, 2013, 06:35 PM
Shahar Peer deja vu.
http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/Itay-Shechter-forced-miss-Swansea-City-s-Dubai/story-18125305-detail/story.html#axzz2KaObCa7g

TennisFan66
Mar 7th, 2013, 12:01 PM
Start to the new F1 season just a week away. While I do not wish to sound like an over excited tween girl, it looks to be an EPIC season. :)

terjw
Mar 7th, 2013, 11:36 PM
Start to the new F1 season just a week away. While I do not wish to sound like an over excited tween girl, it looks to be an EPIC season. :)

I'm still struggling to understand what on earth Lewis was thinking of in leaving McLaren to go to Mercedes. When you look back at the antics of Senna and Prost to drive the best car - and Lewis wamts to go the other way. :rolleyes:

bruce goose
Mar 8th, 2013, 05:35 AM
Start to the new F1 season just a week away. While I do not wish to sound like an over excited tween girl, it looks to be an EPIC season. :)As a guy,I have an intellectual grasp of how the sport might be highly appealing to certain other guys.As I've said before,though,it simply lacks any hold on ME...partly b/c I've sat in city traffic so many times that I'd rather not watch a sport,in my FREE time,which reminds me of that:lol:.Also,that near-fatal car wreck--which I won't rehash anymore:angel:--is a barrier that prevents me from ever overly loving automobiles........though my current vehicle is,by far,the most ergonomic and comfy that I've ever had,thus earning my appreciation and more dedicated maintenance.I suppose that's the closest to Car Love that I'll ever get:p

TennisFan66
Mar 8th, 2013, 10:04 AM
I'm still struggling to understand what on earth Lewis was thinking of in leaving McLaren to go to Mercedes. When you look back at the antics of Senna and Prost to drive the best car - and Lewis wamts to go the other way. :rolleyes:

Well, Mercedes has looked fast in practice. I feel a tad sorry for Schumie. He'll have been involved developing the 2013 car, last season, but now he's not there to reek the benefits.

McLaren has started quite slow the last couple of seasons and played catch-up through-out. Looks to be similar this year?

terjw
Mar 9th, 2013, 07:37 PM
One thing which really strikes me after Rory's apology for withdrawing in the middle of the round is the difference in ethics between the two most ethical of sports at the top level - Snooker and Golf compared to other sports. Both those two sports - players automatically call against themselves things that the officials don't spot. And in this latest scandal in golf - it's an unwritten rule that Rory broke that you just don't withdraw in golf unless you really have some really serious problem threatening your heath.

Contrast that and the condemnation Rory rightly got with the tactical withdrawals and retirements in women's tennis that happen all the time and are actually applauded as being smart.

C. W. Fields
Mar 9th, 2013, 11:12 PM
33 yo Tine Baun, Denmark's best female badminton player and former world #1 is playing her last tournament these days. Fittingly, her last tournament is All England, which she has won two times previously. And even more fittingly, she's in the final again. Her opponent Sunday will be Ratchanok from Thailand who leads their H2H 3-1.

NB: As far as prestige goes, All England is as important to badminton players as Wimbledon is to tennis players.

C. W. Fields
Mar 10th, 2013, 03:55 PM
Tine won 21-14, 16-21, 21-10! :)
Imagine a tennis player finishing her career by winning Wimbledon!

C. W. Fields
Mar 11th, 2013, 04:47 AM
I said All England is comparable to Wimbledon and Google seems to agree with me!

http://i.imgur.com/4zMudTT.jpg

Protoss
Mar 11th, 2013, 05:25 AM
Tine won 21-14, 16-21, 21-10! :)
Imagine a tennis player finishing her career by winning Wimbledon!
Sampras accomplished something similar ending his career by winning the US Open back in 2002.

C. W. Fields
Mar 12th, 2013, 10:45 AM
Tine Baun won the Danish Badminton Championship 10 years in a row from 2004-2013. Before that, Camilla Martin won 13 years in a row from 1991-2003. Just two players winning the national championship 23 years in a row, and that in a demanding physical sport like badminton where you usually retire in your early 30s (like tennis)! I wonder in how many countries/sports you see that?

bruce goose
Mar 12th, 2013, 03:33 PM
Tine Baun won the Danish Badminton Championship 10 years in a row from 2004-2013. Before that, Camilla Martin won 13 years in a row from 1991-2003. Just two players winning the national championship 23 years in a row, and that in a demanding physical sport like badminton where you usually retire in your early 30s (like tennis)! I wonder in how many countries/sports you see that?Am not trying to insult the great,successful Danes in any way,but it usually speaks to a lack of OVERALL quality in the talent pool when one player/team so completely dominates a sport over such a long period.I've seen some awesome collections of players in team sports,for example,where one team won a disproportionate amount of titles in a particular decade...yet there was just enough parity to maintain suspense when other teams would break through,here and there,to win it all.

It's not a perfect analogy from me b/c you cited domination by one,solitary person,but many fans understandably mock the WTA's Monotony Era---post-BJK and pre-Graf---when,usually,no one but Evert or Navratilova had more than a remote chance at a Slam.Likewise,the ATP deserves much ridicule for giving us one of the weakest,mentally-soft fields of players in men's tennis history...guys who have been mentally/psychologically eliminated from Slam contention before the tourneys even BEGIN

C. W. Fields
Mar 12th, 2013, 07:21 PM
Am not trying to insult the great,successful Danes in any way,but it usually speaks to a lack of OVERALL quality in the talent pool when one player/team so completely dominates a sport over such a long period.I've seen some awesome collections of players in team sports,for example,where one team won a disproportionate amount of titles in a particular decade...yet there was just enough parity to maintain suspense when other teams would break through,here and there,to win it all.

It's not a perfect analogy from me b/c you cited domination by one,solitary person,but many fans understandably mock the WTA's Monotony Era---post-BJK and pre-Graf---when,usually,no one but Evert or Navratilova had more than a remote chance at a Slam.Likewise,the ATP deserves much ridicule for giving us one of the weakest,mentally-soft fields of players in men's tennis history...guys who have been mentally/psychologically eliminated from Slam contention before the tourneys even BEGIN

That was exactly my point! ;)

Protoss
Mar 14th, 2013, 05:50 AM
The Atp younger generation is a lot worse than the Wta younger generation.

Why anyone besides Nadal fans like the Fed/Nadal matchup is beyond me. :rolleyes:

C. W. Fields
Mar 14th, 2013, 08:40 AM
Federer - Nadal in QF. This is only the second time in 29 matches they'll face off before SF (YEC RR not included). The only other time was their very first match in 2004!
Ironically, neither of them is in top shape: Nadal still isn't quite his old self after a long injury layoff and Federer is nursing a bad back. Both of them just edged through R16, winning 7-5 in the decider.

Querry 'celebrates' his becoming the new American no. 1 by being bageled in set 1 by Nole!

bruce goose
Mar 14th, 2013, 04:09 PM
The Atp younger generation is a lot worse than the Wta younger generation.Not sure if this is what you meant but,if you let spoiled,rich-boy punks know that they can act however they want on court,then we shouldn't expect very good conduct

TennisFan66
Mar 15th, 2013, 06:29 PM
And the Red Bulls are 1-2 in pre quali practice ... Let's find those 3/10, 'nando and a couple more for good measure.

Chrissie-fan
Mar 15th, 2013, 09:41 PM
It's not a perfect analogy from me b/c you cited domination by one,solitary person,but many fans understandably mock the WTA's Monotony Era---post-BJK and pre-Graf---when,usually,no one but Evert or Navratilova had more than a remote chance at a Slam.Likewise,the ATP deserves much ridicule for giving us one of the weakest,mentally-soft fields of players in men's tennis history...guys who have been mentally/psychologically eliminated from Slam contention before the tourneys even BEGIN
I don't think the situation in mens tennis now is all that different from the late 70/early 80's when Borg, Connors and McEnroe always decided amongs themselves who would take any given title. They would always make the semis at least of any slam they entered and rarely lost to anyone other than the other two. And the post-BJK/pre-Graf era wasn't totally dominated by Evert and Navratilova during the entire period. The 70's and the first couple of years of the 80's were very competitive. By 82 Evert and Navratilova started to dominate everything because they were obviously exceptional players, but also because "next big thing" Austin had back problems, the even younger Jaeger retired and became a nun, Pam Shriver stopped to improve and Mandlikova who at her best was a genius was also very erratic. I think the mens game IS strong now. A person is hard to please when he's not happy to live in an era when Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray are playing.

bruce goose
Mar 15th, 2013, 10:41 PM
I don't think the situation in mens tennis now is all that different from the late 70/early 80's when Borg, Connors and McEnroe always decided amongs themselves who would take any given title. They would always make the semis at least of any slam they entered and rarely lost to anyone other than the other two. And the post-BJK/pre-Graf era wasn't totally dominated by Evert and Navratilova during the entire period. The 70's and the first couple of years of the 80's were very competitive. By 82 Evert and Navratilova started to dominate everything because they were obviously exceptional players, but also because "next big thing" Austin had back problems, the even younger Jaeger retired and became a nun, Pam Shriver stopped to improve and Mandlikova who at her best was a genius was also very erratic. I think the mens game IS strong now. A person is hard to please when he's not happy to live in an era when Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray are playing.You are sort of nitpicking over small details,but I agree with SOME of what you posted.Whatever the excuses may have been,'competitiveness' isn't a word associated with the WTA and Slams for much of the era that's referred to above.As for the men's game,you're entitled to your opinion,yet I'd call it PATHETIC when only 4 guys have more than a remote shot at a Slam...and it'd be even worse if Murray and Nole hadn't raised their games(I laugh at any sport where you can almost automatically pencil in the final four of any big event--the only exception being a newer sport that was recently invented).The fact that they DID so is an argument that the other talented ATP players are a bunch of swishy softies...and that it's NOT impossible to challenge greatness if you have the CHARACTER within you.

C. W. Fields
Mar 15th, 2013, 10:42 PM
Djokovic dispatches Tsonga 3 & 1 in less than an hour. Unless Murray & Del Potro are going to play for 3 hours, Caro's match will start on time (2.30 AM CET).

Chrissie-fan
Mar 15th, 2013, 10:57 PM
You are sort of nitpicking over small details,but I agree with SOME of what you posted.Whatever the excuses may have been,'competitiveness' isn't a word associated with the WTA and Slams for much of the era that's referred to above.As for the men's game,you're entitled to your opinion,yet I'd call it PATHETIC when only 4 guys have more than a remote shot at a Slam...and it'd be even worse if Murray and Nole hadn't raised their games(I laugh at any sport where you can almost automatically pencil in the final four of any big event--the only exception being a newer sport that was recently invented).The fact that they DID so is an argument that the other talented ATP players are a bunch of swishy softies...and that it's NOT impossible to challenge greatness if you have the CHARACTER within you.
Well, there will always be this type of discussion whenever someone or a few dominate a sport - is it because they are so good or because everyone else is so poor. It's impossible to prove one way or the other although I for one definitely lean towards because the're so good.

bruce goose
Mar 15th, 2013, 11:04 PM
Well, there will always be this type of discussion whenever someone or a few dominate a sport - is it because they are so good or because everyone else is so poor. It's impossible to prove one way or the other although I for one definitely lean towards because the're so good.You're offering an argument that's forensically weak;if it's so impossible to match them,then how did Nole and Murray rise up against Fed and Rafa??You'd probably lose against any skilled debate opponent in an academic setting.....Gotta run:wavey:

TennisFan66
Mar 17th, 2013, 01:37 AM
Something new to start the 2013 Formula One season, a Red Bull 1-2 in quali ... Oh wait ...

Now let's get some rain for the race.

KleineBiere
Mar 17th, 2013, 01:43 AM
good job Sebastian :yeah: ;)

IW Final: Nadal vs Del Potro :bounce:

TennisFan66
Mar 17th, 2013, 01:50 AM
good job Sebastian :yeah: ;)

IW Final: Nadal vs Del Potro :bounce:

Those Bulls looked might quick, when the track dried out. If it stays dry, I think it's difficult to see anyone but a RB driver on the top step. Last year, the Ferrari was quick off the line and well, Alonso being Alonso, he'll probably get a podium too. Seb - Nando - Mark .. 1, 2 and 3? ... but first, 5 hours sleep :lol:

bruce goose
Mar 17th, 2013, 05:07 AM
Just caught some highlights of an unforgettable,record-setting day from the Champions League: Bayern Munich 102,Football Club of Des Moines,Iowa 1!

Despite tickets being on sale for just $1,there was quite a shock with only 990 folks paid attendance in the futbol-mad American midwest.It turns out that 900 of those were Mexicans who had nothing else to do on one of their days off from the factory in a dead-end,waste-of-space insomniac's paradise like Des Moines.Another 60 were Mennonite immigrants who were anxious to get up close for some autographs from some of their German futbol heroes.....and all the rest of the fans were native-born Americans supporting the home team:D!

The final score represents the first time this century when a team scored in triple digits in a FIFA-sanctioned match,and it was even more remarkable when you consider that Bayern pulled their starters before the 30-minute mark of the first half.FC Des Moines' lone tally came in the closing seconds as an own goal from Bayern as they were mercifully dribbling the ball away in their end.As a defender passed the ball back to the keeper,a drunken,big-breasted Iowa farmgirl ran shirtless onto the field right in front of the Bayern goal area,thus distracting the keeper and allowing FC Des Moines to avoid the indignity of a shutout:angel:

DownInAHole
Mar 17th, 2013, 09:51 AM
It would be very impressive if del Potro could win. Defeating Murray, Djokovic and Nadal in the same event? Has any player done that before, particularly in the last several years? I thought it was a great accomplishment when del Potro defeated Nadal in the semis and Federer in the final when he won the 2009 U.S. Open. It looked like he was going to be the one to end their duopoly but then he missed nearly an entire year with a wrist injury and since his return he hasn't been the player he was. If he can win here defeating three of the "big four" that should give him the boost needed to be a contender at the slams.

bruce goose
Mar 17th, 2013, 11:20 AM
It would be very impressive if del Potro could win. Defeating Murray, Djokovic and Nadal in the same event? Has any player done that before, particularly in the last several years? I thought it was a great accomplishment when del Potro defeated Nadal in the semis and Federer in the final when he won the 2009 U.S. Open. It looked like he was going to be the one to end their duopoly but then he missed nearly an entire year with a wrist injury and since his return he hasn't been the player he was. If he can win here defeating three of the "big four" that should give him the boost needed to be a contender at the slams.And JMDP would be just one more repudiation of the gaggle of soft,swishy punks known as the ATP.It might be different if Fed,Rafa,Nole and Murray had all come to prominence simultaneously.THEN,one would have more credibly in saying that they were just 'too good'...or maybe,if Nole and Murray had broken through only when Fed and Rafa had aged considerably--with a major drop-off in play.Yet Fed and Rafa still produce tourney-winning,even SLAM-winning caliber tennis.

I usually don't get into men's tennis too much,but I have a lot of respect for Fed and Rafa's accomplishments,and I heartily salute Nole and Murray for shedding their former softie status and becoming greats themselves(though not yet with the career stats as the other two).JMDP has had legitimate injury excuses that have derailed his career progress,though he has shown himself capable of producing elite tennis on occasions.That leaves him in a Middle Class by himself for the current generation(many fans would include the retired Safin and smegma-prick Roddick in that group),like a Rafter,Edberg or Courier...not QUITE as great as the best all-timers,yet still an admirable foe........the rest of the crowd is filled with weak little bitches whose 'Y' chromosomes exclude them from playing in the WTA:shrug:

CWTennis
Mar 18th, 2013, 07:26 PM
Wozzilroy is not sports power couple #1 anymore :sad: :lol:, it's Tiger/Lindsey now, interesting what will be their celebrity couple nickname, maybe Liger or Tindsey :oh:

DownInAHole
Mar 18th, 2013, 08:17 PM
Huh, I thought that Tiger was more interested in girls like this:
http://www.inflexwetrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/joslyn-james.jpg
:lol:

CWTennis
Mar 18th, 2013, 08:33 PM
I think he's more into blondes :p
But I have to say Lindsey is a very brave woman! :D

TennisFan66
Mar 18th, 2013, 09:29 PM
Wozzilroy is not sports power couple #1 anymore :sad: :lol:, it's Tiger/Lindsey now, interesting what will be their celebrity couple nickname, maybe Liger or Tindsey :oh:

Lindsey Lohan? ... :)

CWTennis
Mar 18th, 2013, 09:34 PM
Lindsey Lohan? ... :)

oh ,god no, that would be a mess- sex addict + drug addict :tape: it's Lindsey Vonn ;)

TennisFan66
Mar 18th, 2013, 09:47 PM
oh ,god no, that would be a mess- sex addict + drug addict :tape: it's Lindsey Vonn ;)

Oh Vonn. Nice one. No accounting for taste though, I kindda like LiLo ... :lol: . The more media (tabloids) hate on her, the more I like her.

On another note, Rolf er ikke længere ren. Rolf er Uren. :lol: (Danish cyclist Rolf Sørensen has finally admitted, he is not 'ren' (clean. Uren = dirty). His preferred drug of choice, apparently EPO.)

bruce goose
Mar 19th, 2013, 05:50 AM
Wozzilroy is not sports power couple #1 anymore :sad: :lol:, it's Tiger/Lindsey nowThat's a crock of shit:p!They just went public with their "relationship",and we all know that self-control isn't Tiger's strong suit;).They might not make it to the end of Spring:p.Then again,Vonn comes across like one of those slutty pothead skiers who wouldn't mind being in a sexually-open relationship...just PERFECT for Tiger:haha:....You have to PROVE yourself to be a champion,so Rory and Caro are still #1:cool:

Chrissie-fan
Mar 19th, 2013, 10:29 AM
It would be very impressive if del Potro could win. Defeating Murray, Djokovic and Nadal in the same event? Has any player done that before, particularly in the last several years? I thought it was a great accomplishment when del Potro defeated Nadal in the semis and Federer in the final when he won the 2009 U.S. Open. It looked like he was going to be the one to end their duopoly but then he missed nearly an entire year with a wrist injury and since his return he hasn't been the player he was. If he can win here defeating three of the "big four" that should give him the boost needed to be a contender at the slams.
I think it's kinda funny and also a bit annoying when you compare the reaction to Nadal's comeback with Clijsters' and Henin's. Not that he doesn't deserve all the praise he gets, but I remember the reaction when Clijsters won her USO after becoming a mum and Henin reaching the final of the AO......"Nice, but that only goes to show how weak womens tennis is." "It never could have happened in mens tennis which is so much tougher." Only goes to show that sexism in sports is a long way from gone. As singer Linda Ronstadt once said, "as a woman you need to be twice as good as a man to get half as much credit."

DownInAHole
Mar 19th, 2013, 10:49 AM
I think it's kinda funny and also a bit annoying when you compare the reaction to Nadal's comeback with Clijsters' and Henin's. Not that he doesn't deserve all the praise he gets, but I remember the reaction when Clijsters won her USO after becoming a mum and Henin reaching the final of the AO......"Nice, but that only goes to show how weak womens tennis is." "It never could have happened in mens tennis which is so much tougher." Only goes to show that sexism in sports is a long way from gone. As singer Linda Ronstadt once said, "as a woman you need to be twice as good as a man to get half as much credit."

You do have a point but it is not quite an apples to apples comparison, is it? Kim and Justine retired and were away from the tour for well over a year. Presumably they were not training as if they were full time tennis players. Rafael was out with an injury for roughly eight months but he must have been doing a lot of work during that time.

Chrissie-fan
Mar 19th, 2013, 10:49 AM
Then again,Vonn comes across like one of those slutty pothead skiers who wouldn't mind being in a sexually-open relationship...just PERFECT for Tiger:haha:....
Slutty or not, Lindsey Vonn is one of the greatest sports women in the world - a legend in fact. And she's a big Federer fan (!!!), so even though I'm more of a Julia Mancuso supporter, what's there not to like about Lindsey? But in true Lindsey style I suspect that this relationship will go downhill very quickly when she sees Tiger going for a hole in one with each bimbo he meets.

bruce goose
Mar 19th, 2013, 04:20 PM
Slutty or not, Lindsey Vonn is one of the greatest sports women in the world - a legend in fact. And she's a big Federer fan (!!!), so even though I'm more of a Julia Mancuso supporter, what's there not to like about Lindsey? But in true Lindsey style I suspect that this relationship will go downhill very quickly when she sees Tiger going for a hole in one with each bimbo he meets.What's there not to like??Answer: She's shallow and stupid.Would you respect a woman who went out with an attractive,wealthy convicted rapist??Granted,Tiger isn't quite THAT bad,but the underlying principle is the same

Chrissie-fan
Mar 19th, 2013, 05:36 PM
She's shallow and stupid.

How do you know that? For all we know she may be a sweetheart and brilliant at chess. :shrug:

bruce goose
Mar 19th, 2013, 05:44 PM
How do you know that? For all we know she may be a sweetheart and brilliant at chess. :shrug:It's simple common sense.When you have someone who's proven that women are sex toys for his gratification,any other woman who's willing to date him pretty much shows that she doesn't care about such matters...she's low class:shrug:,like any mother who'd date a wealthy,handsome known pedophile and allow him to be unsupervised around her children.

I respect your post about Vika in the other thread,but I've gotta run to work,amigo:wavey:

TennisFan66
Mar 23rd, 2013, 02:15 PM
Impressive last lap by Vettel gave him the pole for tomorrows GP at Sepang. Both Ferraris on the top first rows. Looking good for the red horse in the WCC! Even I don't expect Massa to be that competitive come race day, the car itself looks so much more competitive than previous seasons.

Seeing as I got 2/3 right for podium for Melbourne (picking Alonso and Vettel lol. #safebets), I will predict a Sepang podium for those two with someone else who's also driven a F1 car that day. ;)

bruce goose
Mar 23rd, 2013, 02:18 PM
Impressive last lap by Vettel gave him the pole for tomorrows GP at Sepang. Both Ferraris on the top first rows. Looking good for the red horse in the WCC!:(It's unforgivable that horses are forced to compete with cars on any surface except thick sand

TennisFan66
Mar 24th, 2013, 11:33 AM
What a fukked up Formula 1 race *sighs* ...

Massa the second coming and much better than Alonso (it was in the The SUN, so it must be true and was also backed by the English anti-Alonso crowd) had the full attention from Ferrari today. And what did he do? As the only top qualifier lost places Vs his quali spot. Brazilian one lap wonder, who sometimes luck it out with one good lap in Q3, more like it.

Mercedes. Pathetic team. But I am sure The SUN and it's followers will now be celebrating team orders, as the person from which's ar*e the sun rises was allowed to coast home, as to not run out of fuel, despite his team mate just behind had ample fuel left and could compete with the bulls ahead, should those face any problems.

The Bulls. I am as sick of that team as Mark probably is. One team mate turns down the engine, as pr team request. The other blatantly ignores, goes racing and is millimeters from taking out his team mate (yes, those two from Turkey 2010). But as Mark said, the team will just protect Vettel and nothing will happen.

Rant over.

terjw
Mar 24th, 2013, 01:03 PM
What a fukked up Formula 1 race *sighs* ...

Massa the second coming and much better than Alonso (it was in the The SUN, so it must be true and was also backed by the English anti-Alonso crowd) had the full attention from Ferrari today. And what did he do? As the only top qualifier lost places Vs his quali spot. Brazilian one lap wonder, who sometimes luck it out with one good lap in Q3, more like it.

Mercedes. Pathetic team. But I am sure The SUN and it's followers will now be celebrating team orders, as the person from which's ar*e the sun rises was allowed to coast home, as to not run out of fuel, despite his team mate just behind had ample fuel left and could compete with the bulls ahead, should those face any problems.

The Bulls. I am as sick of that team as Mark probably is. One team mate turns down the engine, as pr team request. The other blatantly ignores, goes racing and is millimeters from taking out his team mate (yes, those two from Turkey 2010). But as Mark said, the team will just protect Vettel and nothing will happen.

Rant over.

Well well well. Friction in the Red Bull and Mercedes teams. All drama. I thought it had everything. Lots of drama during the race and certainly drama now within those teams. Great stuff. Can't help feeling your statement What a fukked up Formula 1 race *sighs* and your rant hasn't got something to do with a very rare mistake by Alonso on lap #1 which put him out of the race.

Anyway my take on Red Bull and Mercedes: I agreed with Vettel in the middle of the race when he radio'd "Get Mark out of the way. He's too slow" because he'd backed Vettel up so much that Lewis was now getting into the DRS zone. Indeed after that - Webber was told he needed to lap a time which was faster than he was doing.

The second incident at the end - very bad by Vettel deliberately disobeying team orders and screw Webber when they were told to turn their engines down, nurse their tyres and maintain position. Vettel has now publicly apologised but he's got the points and its too late now. As for Webber - well with Red Bull he's been in the best team for the last 3 or more years. Once in a while he gets screwed - never the other way round. And Vettell is the best driver. I don't see he has any choice but to accept the apology. But nothing is going to happen to rectify what happened today.

At Mercedes - I feel sorry for Rosberg who Hamilron sheepishly said should have been on the podium instead of him. There is obvious the suispicion that the team order it was down to whatever Hamilton's contract said and it would not have been the same the other way round. But in defence of the team - #3 and #4 whoever is #3 was all they wanted with no chance of doing better than that unless Webber and Vettel had taken each other out. And there'd already been two dicing and exchanging position. Don't know Rosberg's fuel situation except it was no doubt much better than Hamilton's but Ros Braun did not think he had fuel to make a charge at the Red Bulls.

Anyway - whatever the team says to Rosberg - he made it clear that they owe him. Whatever they say to him - I'm sure he won't believe that it wasn';t to do with Hamilton's contract whatever that might say.

bruce goose
Mar 24th, 2013, 05:05 PM
What a fukked up Formula 1 race *sighs* ...

Massa the second coming and much better than Alonso (it was in the The SUN, so it must be true and was also backed by the English anti-Alonso crowd) had the full attention from Ferrari today. And what did he do? As the only top qualifier lost places Vs his quali spot. Brazilian one lap wonder, who sometimes luck it out with one good lap in Q3, more like it.

Mercedes. Pathetic team. But I am sure The SUN and it's followers will now be celebrating team orders, as the person from which's ar*e the sun rises was allowed to coast home, as to not run out of fuel, despite his team mate just behind had ample fuel left and could compete with the bulls ahead, should those face any problems.

The Bulls. I am as sick of that team as Mark probably is. One team mate turns down the engine, as pr team request. The other blatantly ignores, goes racing and is millimeters from taking out his team mate (yes, those two from Turkey 2010). But as Mark said, the team will just protect Vettel and nothing will happen.

Rant over.Well,you've long known that I don't share your interest in racing,but I certainly appreciate your passion for the sport...and especially the fact that Accountability is apparently something that racing teams feel towards the fans:hatoff:

I think that there may have been ONE occasion a few years back when Venus apologized to the fans for a crappy,UE-strewn match.Does that ever happen at all on the ATP...where a player apologizes for an unprofessional,substandard performance that embarrasses the sport(anyone else is free to chime in,too)??You sure as heck won't get that from Ivanovic or Lisicki...though the paying fans have sure deserved it in many cases.Notice the following rant where the coach--who has a very good career W/L record,btw--puts blame on himSELF,too,even mentioning coaching before the players.I'd respect the ATP and WTA a heck of a lot more if we had more of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tie0tz7jGDI

terjw
Mar 24th, 2013, 05:53 PM
Well,you've long known that I don't share your interest in racing,but I certainly appreciate your passion for the sport...and especially the fact that Accountability is apparently something that racing teams feel towards the fans:hatoff:

I think that there may have been ONE occasion a few years back when Venus apologized to the fans for a crappy,UE-strewn match.Does that ever happen at all on the ATP...where a player apologizes for an unprofessional,substandard performance that embarrasses the sport(anyone else is free to chime in,too)??You sure as heck won't get that from Ivanovic or Lisicki...though the paying fans have sure deserved it in many cases.Notice the following rant where the coach--who has a very good career W/L record,btw--puts blame on himSELF,too,even mentioning coaching before the players.I'd respect the ATP and WTA a heck of a lot more if we had more of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tie0tz7jGDI

I don't actually want a WTA (or ATP) player to apologise because they had a bad match. It's different in a team sport for a coach to slag his whole team. And I note he slagged the whole team and did not single out specific players by name which I think would have been wrong.

It was pretty obvious that Vettels apology today was becauise he was told to apologise by the team. It was a very frosty reception he got from the team after his win.

On the subject of apologies - other apologies I can think of below. The one thing all the apologies above and below have in common is the sportsman/woman has no choice. None of them came spontaneously.


Serena's apology after that USO SF 2009 which had to be dragged out from her like extracting teeth after her infamous "shove this ball down your throat" quote and threatening Shino.
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Rory's recent apology when he withdrew during a round. He was quite rightly absolutely hammered in the media for that. His playing partners were critical - well Ernie Els was. I was interested comparing that and the reaction at certain WTA players who pull out on a whim all the time
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Kevin Pieterson (England cricketer) after some statements he'd made about other England players. But he had to if he wanted to get back into the England side.

bruce goose
Mar 24th, 2013, 06:31 PM
I don't actually want a WTA (or ATP) player to apologise because they had a bad match. It's different in a team sport for a coach to slag his whole team. And I note he slagged the whole team and did not single out specific players by name which I think would have been wrong.

It was pretty obvious that Vettels apology today was becauise he was told to apologise by the team. It was a very frosty reception he got from the team after his win.

On the subject of apologies - other apologies I can think of below. The one thing all the apologies above and below have in common is the sportsman/woman has no choice. None of them came spontaneously.


Serena's apology after that USO SF 2009 which had to be dragged out from her like extracting teeth after her infamous "shove this ball down your throat" quote and threatening Shino.
.
Rory's recent apology when he withdrew during a round. He was quite rightly absolutely hammered in the media for that. His playing partners were critical - well Ernie Els was. I was interested comparing that and the reaction at certain WTA players who pull out on a whim all the time
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Kevin Pieterson (England cricketer) after some statements he'd made about other England players. But he had to if he wanted to get back into the England side.I think that you missed my point in a few respects.First of all,I probably didn't explain it well,but Venus strongly implied that she didn't give her best effort...NOT just that she had a poor match.You are also mistaken in that neither Venus nor Coach Mora was obligated in ANY way to apologize...they simply chose to do so and wouldn't have suffered any big consequences if they hadn't.You also state that it's different in a team sport,yet a couple examples you cited were from individual sports,too.

I'm not sure if you misunderstood or simply disagree on this final point,but tennis players should DEFINITELY apologize to the fans for tanking a match in the final set....And when I say 'apologize',I don't mean indirectly by concocting some bullshit,sudden "injury" like AI and Lisicki so often do.I can't possibly be the only one on the planet whose fanship is diminished due to the gutless lack of accountability from many players...plus the pathetic Enabling that comes from Stacy Allaster and,probably,from the ATP boss,too(I can't honestly comment on him).I like tennis a whole lot,but I can't LOVE it on the same level with my other favorite sports...nor would I encourage young people to love it...as long as it persists with such a cowardly,no-account sporting culture.If it's merely a bad match,then I agree with you that a player needn't apologize if an honest effort was made.However,tanking is something that the WTA should address,IMO,even fining a player for non-efforts or,at the very least,making it clear to the public that her pitiful,quitter attitude is unacceptable

terjw
Mar 24th, 2013, 07:13 PM
^^^
The difference between team sports and individual sports I pointed out was that the coach was publicly lambasting his team for a poor display. It wasn't members of the team apologising for their personal performance. The fact that I gave some examples of individual sports does not nullify what I stated in any way since the examples I gave were the players behavior where an apology was forced out of them as opposed to performance which was on the video link.

Tanking a match constitutes unaccetable behviour in my book (except at YEC playing a dead match when already qualified for the SF I wouldn't expect 100%). But there's a big difference between tanking a match and posters on a message board saying a player tanked a match. And innocent until proved quilty. I don't count gearing yourself to peak at the slams and not playing as well at the smaller tournaments as tanking. I don't count having nothing left in the tank in the 3rd set as tanking. I don't count letting a set go that looks lost so as to focus on the next set tanking. Blatant tanking is so unacceptable that I can't see any player capable of doing it voluntarily apologising immediately afterwards - especially when it's such a grey area and subjective.

However - I did give the Rory example that I would have expected you to agree with. And you may have heard this.voluntary apology from Venus - but I can't think of one public apology offhand that I've heard that isn't forced on the sportsperson.

bruce goose
Mar 24th, 2013, 07:53 PM
^^^
The difference between team sports and individual sports I pointed out was that the coach was publicly lambasting his team for a poor display. It wasn't members of the team apologising for their personal performance. The fact that I gave some examples of individual sports does not nullify what I stated in any way since the examples I gave were the players behavior where an apology was forced out of them as opposed to performance which was on the video link.

Tanking a match constitutes unaccetable behviour in my book (except at YEC playing a dead match when already qualified for the SF I wouldn't expect 100%). But there's a big difference between tanking a match and posters on a message board saying a player tanked a match. And innocent until proved quilty. I don't count gearing yourself to peak at the slams and not playing as well at the smaller tournaments as tanking. I don't count having nothing left in the tank in the 3rd set as tanking. I don't count letting a set go that looks lost so as to focus on the next set tanking. Blatant tanking is so unacceptable that I can't see any player capable of doing it voluntarily apologising immediately afterwards - especially when it's such a grey area and subjective.

However - I did give the Rory example that I would have expected you to agree with. And you may have heard this.voluntary apology from Venus - but I can't think of one public apology offhand that I've heard that isn't forced on the sportsperson.Not 100% sure what you were looking for from me in re Rory,but I definitely agree that he owed the sport an apology,if that's what you meant.

You offered some insightful comments on the various DEGREEs of tanking(and you also distinguished well between legit tanking and that which doesn't qualify),and I'll agree if you're saying that the shameful variety of tanking is hard to empirically prove.However,I think that even the threat of sanctioning--IF it were carried out at least once in a while--would be effective with most of the WTA players who are guilty of it(This would include warnings from chair umpires that a punishment might be forthcoming if effort weren't improved.For televised matches,ATP and WTA bosses should relay messages directly to the chair umpire).AI and Lisicki,for example,are ALL ABOUT foisting a phony image on the fanbase,and if the WTA went public and made it clear that those two were suspected of quitting,then THAT would get their attention fairly well as it could hurt their p.r. image,possibly cost them endorsements with sponsors and reduce their popularity with hard-working fans who lost respect for such pathetic behavior...plus they'd get jealous over the lost photo-ops that went to OTHER gals,instead,as part of the punishment:lol:.

As I said,you can't SCIENTIFICALLY prove who's tanking,but it's fairly obvious with some players cuz they do it all the time and don't even disguise it well.Stacy Allaster should follow the lead of the bosses in your beloved racing and take charge of this disgrace...instead of having the WTA page spew nonsensical crap where they play right along with a player who CLAIMED to have an injury when that same player was seen moving that 'injured' body part around painlessly the next day:rolleyes:.I'm QUITE sure that some sports fans,who don't tolerate the sort of misdeeds that you and TennisFan posted about,would respect the ATP and WTA a lot more if they saw Accountability become a part of the sport.

Thanks for your thoughtful words:);I'm off for today:wavey:

Protoss
Mar 27th, 2013, 04:21 AM
Well there's a surprise...Haas beats Djokovic in two sets. So rare for Djokovic to lose to someone other than other members of the big 4 and Del Potro particularly on a hard court.

KleineBiere
Mar 27th, 2013, 04:27 AM
Tommy :hearts: very impressive

bruce goose
Mar 27th, 2013, 04:35 AM
Well there's a surprise...Haas beats Djokovic in two sets. So rare for Djokovic to lose to someone other than other members of the big 4 and Del Potro particularly on a hard court.Nole's self-esteem will be okay;he might find some gal in Miami who would gladly give him a consolation f--k.Who knows?He might find another Serb,huh?;)

DownInAHole
Mar 27th, 2013, 12:01 PM
Well there's a surprise...Haas beats Djokovic in two sets. So rare for Djokovic to lose to someone other than other members of the big 4 and Del Potro particularly on a hard court.

It is good to see Tommy get a big win like this. It's regrettable that he had some serious injuries that derailed his career. I don't know if he ever would have won a slam but I believe he would have been a contender and may have made some finals.

I think it speaks very highly of his talent that at his age (thirty-four) that he can still compete with the very best players on the tour.

Protoss
Mar 31st, 2013, 07:45 PM
Very dramatic ending to the atp final in Miami. Ferrer had a match point at 6-5 on Murray's serve and ended the point by challenging a shot of Murray's as being long. It was just in. Murray went on to hold and win the match in a 3rd set tiebreak.

I'm not quite sure what to think about about stopping a point on match point.

TennisFan66
Apr 6th, 2013, 06:05 PM
There are goals and there are goals. Fighting hard to avoid relegation and the early lead lost. Currently 1-1. 3 minutes before the end. Tension so thick, you could cut it with a knife.

KURl-ByrH38

Trey
Apr 18th, 2013, 05:59 PM
So Many Upsets Today on in the Men event in Monte Carlo Andy Muarry, Juan Martín Del Potro, Milos Raonic & Tomas Berdych.

So sad that Andy, DelPo & Raonic is out so early :sad:

Trey
Apr 18th, 2013, 06:05 PM
But Grigor Dimitrov really so his Potential more & more I really like too see him win a title this year & end the year in the top 20. I like too see Milos Raonic get in the top 10 this year. But mostly Tsonga has really showed sign of improved as well I so happy this new coach have help him alot, I hoping he can breakthrough and win a slam one day.

KleineBiere
Apr 18th, 2013, 07:50 PM
murray? as expected. but not in 58 minutes :lol: allez richard :cheer:

DownInAHole
Apr 18th, 2013, 07:52 PM
I don't follow the ATP as closely as I do the WTA but clay has always been Murray's weakest surface, hasn't it?

Chrissie-fan
Apr 18th, 2013, 08:16 PM
I don't follow the ATP as closely as I do the WTA but clay has always been Murray's weakest surface, hasn't it?
Yes. He's never won a title on clay. If my memory doesn't betray me he's never even made a final. I don't think he has many wins against top ten opponents on clay actually. And his loss to Wawrinka today is only a minor surprise since he also lost his previous two meetings on clay against Wawrinka. But the margin by which he lost wasn't just a surprise, it was shocking. Still, he has made the semis of the FO before, so he CAN play on the surface. Today he was very poor though.

Trey
Apr 18th, 2013, 08:32 PM
Andy Lost was Very Shocking Mostly by the Scoreline But Juan Martín Del Potro i don't what too say about that one. He COuld won It in the third set when he was serve for it & had many chances . Then He call the Trainer during the Tiebreaker Alot PPl thought he was cheating when he done that, I huge fan Delpo but that very unlike him if he was trying too cheat which I doubt in a way, so I hoping this injury isn't serious

Trey
Apr 18th, 2013, 08:38 PM
Tsonga Though was on fire, Beat Jurgen Melzer 6-3, 6-0 in just 57 minutes. He is his weakest surface as well just like Andy but has Improve on clay alot & on his game.

DownInAHole
Apr 18th, 2013, 08:38 PM
Andy Lost was Very Shocking Mostly by the Scoreline But Juan Martín Del Potro i don't what too say about that one. He COuld won It in the third set when he was serve for it & had many chances . Then He call the Trainer during the Tiebreaker Alot PPl thought he was cheating when he done that, I huge fan Delpo but that very unlike him if he was trying too cheat which I doubt in a way, so I hoping this injury isn't serious

I'm not necessarily a fan of del Potro, as a Federer fan I can't like him after the 2009 U.S. Open final:lol:, but I do hope that he can start being a contender at the slams again. If we could have a "big five" rather than a "big four" it would make things more interesting.

Trey
Apr 18th, 2013, 08:56 PM
^ lol I agree I a fan the Big Four but I like too see someone else break through for a change it getting little old see same player win over at the slams, I like Juan Martín Del Potro to win another & Tsonga to break through for sure. I think i the future through for men tennis players, like Milos Raonic, Grigor Dimitrov,Bernard Tomic, Jack Socks & Ryan Harrison (If he get it together) & his brother Christian Harrison & Filip Peliwo gonna try stop that BiG Four.

bruce goose
Apr 18th, 2013, 09:54 PM
Went to a buffet lunch yesterday and they had a game on the TV between Manchester and West Ham.Neither European nor South American futbol will ever be my favorite sport,and I usually only follow it whenever the Mexican National Team is playing.However,I was very impressed by the quality of play that I saw.It wasn't just the on-field peformance,it's what WASN'T there that was so notable.

I wasn't what you'd call transfixed by the action(missed several minutes while going back and forth to the buffet lines),but I didn't see one single whiny bitchfest directed at the officials,nor did I catch any punk-ass,marica players flopping onto the field to draw an undeserved,advantageous penalty,and there wasn't one solitary yellow card in the 1st half.Please don't waste your breath telling me some B.S. that it's only a small minority of players who exhibit such wussified conduct:rolleyes:.I've seen it CONSTANTLY while only casting occasional glances at the Mexican or S.A. leagues...and loads of the Italian,Spanish and French players are no better.It often much more resembles a convention for adolescent PMS sufferers than a MEN'S sporting event.

(??)Perhaps British players are less prone to such pathetic behavior(I've seen it far,far less amongst the Germans)...or maybe it was merely a reflection of the specific clubs that were competing(top-level teams normally have Tough Competitors as opposed to Whiny,Excuse-making Bitches)....Just wanted to tell you European futbol nuts that aye CAN be reasonable in appreciating the sport.There's a HUGE improvement in its watchability when one eliminates the crap that I've referred to.If FIFA ever pulled their heads out of their asses and created a 'defensive offsides' rule to keep low-talent,pussy-ass cowards--like the Americans--from packing the goal box with almost zero intent to score,barring a breakaway opportunity,that would REALLY open up the flow of play and showcase the talent in the sport

Chrissie-fan
Apr 18th, 2013, 11:16 PM
(??)Perhaps British players are less prone to such pathetic behavior(I've seen it far,far less amongst the Germans)...or maybe it was merely a reflection of the specific clubs that were competing(top-level teams normally have Tough Competitors as opposed to Whiny,Excuse-making Bitches)....Just wanted to tell you European futbol nuts that aye CAN be reasonable in appreciating the sport.There's a HUGE improvement in its watchability when one eliminates the crap that I've referred to.If FIFA ever pulled their heads out of their asses and created a 'defensive offsides' rule to keep low-talent,pussy-ass cowards--like the Americans--from packing the goal box with almost zero intent to score,barring a breakaway opportunity,that would REALLY open up the flow of play and showcase the talent in the sport
The Brits ALWAYS play to win and I've never known it to be otherwise. But "European football" is also a sport that often rewards teams for what you call "low-talent, pussy-ass cowards" type of play. It's effectively the only sport where you can be much worse than your opponents and still end up winning if you play your cards right. The Americans just aren't very good at football. If they employed the tactics of the Brits they would lose every match against decent teams by 0-4 or 0-5, and since the primary aim of any sport is trying to win I can't really hold it against them. Far worse has been the case of Italy in the past. They always have had great - truly great players but nevertheless used to employ very negative tactics that were based more on preventing opponents to play rather than going for it themselves, and they have won three world cups that way because they have historically always had great strikers. The whole team in front of their own goal for 90 minutes, kick dangerous players from the other team into the ground, than get that one chance - goal, 1-0 for Italy. :lol: It always used to work for them because they only needed that one chance. One chance was one goal for Italy.

ozza
Apr 19th, 2013, 12:36 AM
The Brits ALWAYS play to win and I've never known it to be otherwise.

You obviously haven't seen Roy Hodgson's England if you think Brits always play to win ;). We settle for draws against Montenegro :o. Also I'm not sure Chelsea's Champions League win last year would exactly fit that mantra either.

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(??)Perhaps British players are less prone to such pathetic behavior(I've seen it far,far less amongst the Germans)...or maybe it was merely a reflection of the specific clubs that were competing(top-level teams normally have Tough Competitors as opposed to Whiny,Excuse-making Bitches)....Just wanted to tell you European futbol nuts that aye CAN be reasonable in appreciating the sport.There's a HUGE improvement in its watchability when one eliminates the crap that I've referred to.If FIFA ever pulled their heads out of their asses and created a 'defensive offsides' rule to keep low-talent,pussy-ass cowards--like the Americans--from packing the goal box with almost zero intent to score,barring a breakaway opportunity,that would REALLY open up the flow of play and showcase the talent in the sport

If you are talking about diving and feigning injury then the (arguably) 2 best club teams in the world are some of the worst culprits for it.

I guess in your last part you are talking about the USA parking the bus vs Mexico last month? It's one of those situations because of the format of the competition (World Cup Qualifying), USA are obviously going to be delighted with a point in Mexico. Sad it may be, but it's pretty frequent in Europe too. Spain nearly every match come up against teams that just come playing for a 0-0, and maybe hit them on the counter. The reasons are obvious though, it's because if you go toe to toe with them you will take a battering, so it's viewed as the best way of getting a result. Spain's style also draws teams to set up against them to park the bus.

bruce goose
Apr 19th, 2013, 04:15 AM
The Brits ALWAYS play to win and I've never known it to be otherwise. But "European football" is also a sport that often rewards teams for what you call "low-talent, pussy-ass cowards" type of play. It's effectively the only sport where you can be much worse than your opponents and still end up winning if you play your cards right. The Americans just aren't very good at football. If they employed the tactics of the Brits they would lose every match against decent teams by 0-4 or 0-5, and since the primary aim of any sport is trying to win I can't really hold it against them. Far worse has been the case of Italy in the past. They always have had great - truly great players but nevertheless used to employ very negative tactics that were based more on preventing opponents to play rather than going for it themselves, and they have won three world cups that way because they have historically always had great strikers. The whole team in front of their own goal for 90 minutes, kick dangerous players from the other team into the ground, than get that one chance - goal, 1-0 for Italy. :lol: It always used to work for them because they only needed that one chance. One chance was one goal for Italy.First of all,thanks,also,to Ozza for the thoughtful post:hatoff:

My friend,I get the impression that Belgium is one of the worst ice hockey nations in Europe,but you've surely heard of Wayne Gretzky.Though arguably one of the greatest players EVER,if not the best,Wayne couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag...but Wayne hardly ever faced bullying tactics or received cheap fouls from opponents.WHY??Because his teams always had Enforcers--veritable fighting EXPERTS--on the bench to enter the game in case any foe was stupid enough to cross the line with foul play.If I were a European Football coach,my players would f--king LOVE me b/c I'd employ similar tactics to look out for them.Sure,FIFA would suspect me of purposely placing hit men on my roster...but they couldn't PROVE anything or do jack shit to stop it unless/until someone snitched.

It would be very,very simple: I'd get a couple MMA guys...boxers...rugby players....Whoever fit the bill,and they'd sit there on the end of the bench 98% of the time.However,if my team had a deficit OR advantage of two goals or more near game's end,then a red card wouldn't make that much difference.Even with a slim,one-goal lead,we could hang on in the final minute,at least.I'd send one or both Enforcers onto the field and let them know which players had to be "taken care of"(e.g.: 'See that piece of shit,#11,over there?I don't want him eating solid food for at least ONE WEEK!If I read in the papers about his having a broken jaw,you've got yourself a $5,000 bonus").We all know that barely ANY European footballers can fight--ESPECIALLY against a professional ass-kicker--so the Enforcers would make quick work of almost ANYone.Even if NONE of my other players wanted to get involved,two enforcers could handle about eight or nine typical footballers by themselves...and that's assuming any of them had the balls to confront a guy who stood about 6'5",240:lol:.

Just like in North American ice hockey,the 'don't f--k with us' message would spread pretty easily,and it wouldn't matter if an Enforcer got suspended cuz he couldn't play worth a damn anyway:lol:.He'd be well compensated for his straightforward duties...and welcome to return whenever his suspension ended.Meanwhile,the team would just find some OTHER rugby or MMA guy(s) to fill-in.The only trick would be when we were in a tied match or trailed by a single goal and couldn't afford a red card.In those cases,I'd have the Enforcer prepare to kick his target's ass whenever the douchebag walked off the field at game's end.

As I've said,we'd reach a point where a beatdown would very rarely be necessary.It's obvious from some of the girlish,backhanded slapfighting that most Futbollers are terrified of getting hit in the face...by ANYone,let alone an Enforcer type.Once my guys had sent 3 or 4 opponents to the hospital,the work would be practically done;).If the league questioned me,I'd just tell them,"Hey,he's an aggressive player,and he just lost his temper amidst the heat of competition.It happens:shrug:( :devil: ).As a team,we're VERY,very sorry about this incident:angel:(:p)..."

Burisleif
Apr 19th, 2013, 04:39 AM
First of all,thanks,also,to Ozza for the thoughtful post:hatoff:

My friend,I get the impression that Belgium is one of the worst ice hockey nations in Europe,but you've surely heard of Wayne Gretzky.Though arguably one of the greatest players EVER,if not the best,Wayne couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag...but Wayne hardly ever faced bullying tactics or received cheap fouls from opponents.WHY??Because his teams always had Enforcers--veritable fighting EXPERTS--on the bench to enter the game in case any foe was stupid enough to cross the line with foul play.If I were a European Football coach,my players would f--king LOVE me b/c I'd employ similar tactics to look out for them.Sure,FIFA would suspect me of purposely placing hit men on my roster...but they couldn't PROVE anything or do jack shit to stop it unless/until someone snitched.

It would be very,very simple: I'd get a couple MMA guys...boxers...rugby players....Whoever fit the bill,and they'd sit there on the end of the bench 98% of the time.However,if my team had a deficit OR advantage of two goals or more near game's end,then a red card wouldn't make that much difference.Even with a slim,one-goal lead,we could hang on in the final minute,at least.I'd send one or both Enforcers onto the field and let them know which players had to be "taken care of"(e.g.: 'See that piece of shit,#11,over there?I don't want him eating solid food for at least ONE WEEK!If I read in the papers about his having a broken jaw,you've got yourself a $5,000 bonus").We all know that barely ANY European footballers can fight--ESPECIALLY against a professional ass-kicker--so the Enforcers would make quick work of almost ANYone.Even if NONE of my other players wanted to get involved,two enforcers could handle about eight or nine typical footballers by themselves...and that's assuming any of them had the balls to confront a guy who stood about 6'5",240:lol:.

Just like in North American ice hockey,the 'don't f--k with us' message would spread pretty easily,and it wouldn't matter if an Enforcer got suspended cuz he couldn't play worth a damn anyway:lol:.He'd be well compensated for his straightforward duties...and welcome to return whenever his suspension ended.Meanwhile,the team would just find some OTHER rugby or MMA guy(s) to fill-in.The only trick would be when we were in a tied match or trailed by a single goal and couldn't afford a red card.In those cases,I'd have the Enforcer prepare to kick his target's ass whenever the douchebag walked off the field at game's end.

As I've said,we'd reach a point where a beatdown would very rarely be necessary.It's obvious from some of the girlish,backhanded slapfighting that most Futbollers are terrified of getting hit in the face...by ANYone,let alone an Enforcer type.Once my guys had sent 3 or 4 opponents to the hospital,the work would be practically done;).If the league questioned me,I'd just tell them,"Hey,he's an aggressive player,and he just lost his temper amidst the heat of competition.It happens:shrug:( :devil: ).As a team,we're VERY,very sorry about this incident:angel:(:p)..."

There is a rather infamous Brazillian coach that employed your tactics with considerable success, building upon the more than physical game of Estudiantes in the late 60's... Where as European teams took the Estudiantes style to create the modern game, the Brazilian added players who would deliberatly injure opponents of ability and intimidate officials (the latter also making it into the modern European game).

bruce goose
Apr 19th, 2013, 04:56 AM
There is a rather infamous Brazillian coach that employed your tactics with considerable success, building upon the more than physical game of Estudiantes in the late 60's... Where as European teams took the Estudiantes style to create the modern game, the Brazilian added players who would deliberatly injure opponents of ability and intimidate officials (the latter also making it into the modern European game).That's one line that I wouldn't cross,Burisleif;I'd never try to bully talented opponents who played the game fairly...or even intimidate referees...UNLESS I had evidence that they were corrupt and taking bribes from our opponents.The Enforcers would be used pretty much only to execute justice in case my players were getting unfairly messed with.As you probably read in my Manchester-West Ham summary,I truly respect what the sport CAN be at times...but often doesn't attain thanks to piss-poor FIFA leadership.One of my pet peeves is weak stadium security.IMO,the wealthier FIFA nations ought to chip in a little to fund security training/staffing/weaponry for the poorer ones.If certain nations flatly refused to implement proper security,then they'd be banned from any sanctioned competition,and any WC aspirants would be barred from visiting the assclowns until they got their s--t together.Being forced into isolation can often be a great motivator,don't you think?With no one else to play with,they'd have to play with themSELVES;)

Trey
Apr 19th, 2013, 03:59 PM
Tsonga in the Semi it his first Master 1000 Semi since 2011 & also his first Semi here in Monte Carlo Masters I so Happy for him :bounce: :cheer: Beat Stan in tight Three Set Match, Plays Rafael Nadal Next.


I have such a bitter sweet feeling about Nadal match I happy he came through & won but also sad for Grigor Dimitrov he really came so close too winning, but all & all he give Nadal a run for his miney & I can see he can be top 10 in the Future

Trey
Apr 19th, 2013, 04:00 PM
OMG after Novak Djokovic match Yesterday he had dislocated a bone in his ankle hope he okay

bruce goose
Apr 19th, 2013, 04:28 PM
Tsonga in the Semi it his first Master 1000 Semi since 2011 & also his first Semi here in Monte Carlo Masters I so Happy for him :bounce: :cheer: Beat Stan in tight Three Set Match, Plays Rafael Nadal Next.


I have such a bitter sweet feeling about Nadal match I happy he came through & won but also sad for Grigor Dimitrov he really came so close too winning, but all & all he give Nadal a run for his miney & I can see he can be top 10 in the FutureTrey,I wouldn't ask this in any other threads,but do you ever watch the NFL??I can't recall seeing you post about that here.Do you have a favorite team?I have to laugh a bit when asking that cuz you have about a billion WTA favorites in your sig:lol:,but I understand that tennis is different than football,and I have more than one fave,too,in the WTA

Trey
Apr 19th, 2013, 04:59 PM
Trey,I wouldn't ask this in any other threads,but do you ever watch the NFL??I can't recall seeing you post about that here.Do you have a favorite team?I have to laugh a bit when asking that cuz you have about a billion WTA favorites in your sig:lol:,but I understand that tennis is different than football,and I have more than one fave,too,in the WTA

Yup I sure Do :lol: NfL & NBA As well, I haven't posted about NFL because it haven't started yet :lol: but my faves team are Saints that my home town team, Giants, I used too like the 49ers when Jerry rice used too play for them,As for as Nba My Fave Player are MJ & Scott Pippen Who are retire are now, For Active player LeBron James, Jason Kidd, Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Dirk Nowitzki, Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant & Dwyane Wade. I really don't watch any other sports beside those three, But I been watching tennis since an early age I say since I was 4-5 yr old way back in the 90's, I have even more faves that not on my sig like Safina, Chakvetadze, Dementieva, Henin & Vaidišová

bruce goose
Apr 19th, 2013, 05:33 PM
Yup I sure Do :lol: NfL & NBA As well, I haven't posted about NFL because it haven't started yet :lol: but my faves team are Saints that my home town team, Giants, I used too like the 49ers when Jerry rice used too play for them,As for as Nba My Fave Player are MJ & Scott Pippen Who are retire are now, For Active player LeBron James, Jason Kidd, Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Dirk Nowitzki, Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant & Dwyane Wade. I really don't watch any other sports beside those three, But I been watching tennis since an early age I say since I was 4-5 yr old way back in the 90's, I have even more faves that not on my sig like Safina, Chakvetadze, Dementieva, Henin & VaidišováWell,you can see that I'm still hanging on to Elena just a little bit;),and I've actually BEEN to New Orleans,which was lots of fun for me.It's so full of life,and it reminds me of my own country with all of the police and government corruption there:o...and also with the rampant paganism.

I think that Brees is one of the best ever,and I love how Payton directs that offense.It's a shame that the asshole Gregg Williams ruined your season last year.As others have said,bounties have been in the sport for a long time,but Williams took it to an extreme by making it systemic and he ended Kurt Warner's career by encouraging cheap shots...and that REALLY sucked cuz Warner was a treat to watch.....I have to do a studio recording,Trey,so that's all I can say for now:wavey:

Trey
Apr 19th, 2013, 06:01 PM
Well,you can see that I'm still hanging on to Elena just a little bit;),and I've actually BEEN to New Orleans,which was lots of fun for me.It's so full of life,and it reminds me of my own country with all of the police and government corruption there:o...and also with the rampant paganism.

I think that Brees is one of the best ever,and I love how Payton directs that offense.It's a shame that the asshole Gregg Williams ruined your season last year.As others have said,bounties have been in the sport for a long time,but Williams took it to an extreme by making it systemic and he ended Kurt Warner's career by encouraging cheap shots...and that REALLY sucked cuz Warner was a treat to watch.....I have to do a studio recording,Trey,so that's all I can say for now:wavey:

Yeah They Ruined Our Season Badly last year but we rebound we have a great team with Ivory, Sproles, Graham & Colston. Happy U like New Orleans ;) & keep haning on to Elena D. she Legend ;)

bruce goose
Apr 19th, 2013, 07:56 PM
Yeah They Ruined Our Season Badly last year but we rebound we have a great team with Ivory, Sproles, Graham & Colston. Happy U like New Orleans ;) & keep haning on to Elena D. she Legend ;)#44 was a great Super Bowl.Like we were discussing earlier with soccer,the Colts' coach,Caldwell,who just won a title as an assistant for us,actually,paid the price for a chickenshit,overly-conservative approach in that game.Unlike soccer,you can't get away with that in football unless you have an awesome defense amongst the all-time best.Being a conservative coach is ONE thing;it's different when you're AFRAID to attack b/c that has psychological carry-over on your team,and that was part of the reason why Denver lost to us in the playoffs.They were the better team and should've won,but their coach basically neutered them cuz he was f--king scared.When you have Peyton Manning at QB with 30 seconds and 2 timeouts...and you don't even TRY to get into game-winning FG range...that's tantamount to quitting:rolleyes:,and I'm sure that the players weren't happy with that decision

Protoss
Apr 21st, 2013, 08:09 AM
The Nfl draft is less than a week away (starts thursday in fact). I'm pretty excited about that. :)

bruce goose
Apr 21st, 2013, 10:29 AM
The Nfl draft is less than a week away (starts thursday in fact). I'm pretty excited about that. :)Don't recall you mentioning your favorite team;then again,that might betray your location somewhat,so perhaps you're unwilling to do that;).If you had called it "American Football",then you really,really,REALLY would've seemed European:p

Protoss
Apr 21st, 2013, 04:29 PM
Pretty surprising result in Monte Carlo with Nadal losing to Djokovic. This had been Nadal's best clay court tournament with him winning it 8 years in a row.

bruce goose
Apr 21st, 2013, 05:13 PM
What's NO surprise is your unwillingness to say who your favorite NFL team is:p...probably out of fear that we'd figure out,roughly,where you lived.;)

That's okay:hug:;there are lots of very weird sci-fi nuts and stats geeks on the internet,so you are justified in being concerned for your safety:angel:

Chrissie-fan
Apr 21st, 2013, 07:21 PM
My friend,I get the impression that Belgium is one of the worst ice hockey nations in Europe,but you've surely heard of Wayne Gretzky.
I didn't even know that they play ice hockey in Belgium. :lol: But yes, I've heard of Wayne Gretsky. ;)

Though arguably one of the greatest players EVER,if not the best,Wayne couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag...but Wayne hardly ever faced bullying tactics or received cheap fouls from opponents.WHY??Because his teams always had Enforcers--veritable fighting EXPERTS--on the bench to enter the game in case any foe was stupid enough to cross the line with foul play.If I were a European Football coach,my players would f--king LOVE me b/c I'd employ similar tactics to look out for them.Sure,FIFA would suspect me of purposely placing hit men on my roster...but they couldn't PROVE anything or do jack shit to stop it unless/until someone snitched.
What you have to understand to 'get' football is that 'cheating' is an integrated part of the game. If anything, it is encouraged. If you're a defender and the offensive player of the other team always runs past you because he's faster or more crafty and you're not willing to stop him 'no matter how' your fair playing ass will be on the bench or in the locker room in no time. Offensive players also try to get an edge by dropping like flies close to or inside the penalty area. Nobody gives a fuck - all part of the game. And then you have all the commedia del arte of players who are rolling on the ground as though they have just gotten an uppercut from George Foreman although whatever contact there might have been must have been as light as a feather - all in the hope that the umpire will give "the offending player" a yellow or red card of course. Whereas in tennis fans will complain if a player even just dares to breath, in football you can get away with anything. Supporters of the team that were on the receiving end of cheating or unfair descisions from the umpire will whine about it for a day or so. But a few days later all is forgotten because they know only to well that when given the chance their team will do the same thing come next weekend. As they say, "rugby is a sport for barbarians played by gentlemen while football is a sport for gentlemen played by barbarians." :)

Personally I've never been a big football fan (I'm not a big fan of any teamsport, actually), but every now and then I will watch a match from the Spanish, English or Italian competition.

bruce goose
Apr 21st, 2013, 08:05 PM
Personally I've never been a big football fan (I'm not a big fan of any teamsport, actually), but every now and then I will watch a match from the Spanish, English or Italian competition.Thank you for your usual sharp perspective:hatoff:.As I'm taking off,these will be parting thoughts:

Soccer fans can't realistically expect NON-fans to 'convert' and like the sport if they're willing to accept the mediocrity produced by an asinine set of rules.Even some very SIMPLE,relatively-easy-to-implement changes could make the sport so much faster and inspiring.,even awesome.However,if FIFA and many of the fans choose to cling to "tradition" like a bunch of anal Catholics,blindly following a tradition no matter HOW stupid it is,then they don't deserve to be respected by other sports fans.Let's take basketball--of which I am NOT a huge fan--which was practically non-existent in Europe prior to WW2,yet has won fans over everywhere except the UK with its fan-friendly style of play.

Soccer is extremely fortunate that it was invented back when no other team sports existed and that,like Catholicism,most of its fans are brainwashed into it at an early age.As almost ZERO rational-thinking adults CHOOSE to be a Catholic if they weren't raised that way,you'd be hard-pressed to find ANYone who wasn't raised on soccer/football and then grows to like it.Aye WILL credit the sport's leadership for its diligence in reaching out to its hardcore fanbase,and its another big plus that even poor folks can play it:hatoff:.All in all,though,how can any objective fan respect a sport that rewards teams for NOT TRYING to win?Or doesn't even care one whit about maximizing the talent on the field by eliminating the cheap tactics?Quite frankly,those field-divers are just a bunch of limp-wristed sissies to me:shrug:.I could never support a team who had to stoop to such depths to win

ozza
Apr 21st, 2013, 08:41 PM
Outside of the USA though where is football (:)) not a big sport? Even in the USA they tell me it's growing. Most sports are normally against change, so football is not alone there. The main reason I think football takes off is because of its easiness to understand. I can watch the occasional football game with someone who doesn't even watch football (eg. World Cup) and they will understand what is going on. A sport like American football this isn't true. This is also true of basketball which is generally a very easy sport to watch for all. Probably the main reason basketball hasn't taken off in the UK is because it's a sport despite the local leagues that is very much ruled by the NBA. We have both very few NBA stars, and most importantly the NBA has very poor coverage and airs at a bad time for coverage (I actually get the NBA for basically free ha ;))

I am a fan of all 3. Big fan of football, reasonably big fan of basketball, and pretty casual fan of American football (very casual).

ps. If you want to see a football "clinic" tune in to this weeks Champions League semi-finals, they are expected to be great matches :).

terjw
Apr 21st, 2013, 09:38 PM
What you have to understand to 'get' football is that 'cheating' is an integrated part of the game. If anything, it is encouraged. If you're a defender and the offensive player of the other team always runs past you because he's faster or more crafty and you're not willing to stop him 'no matter how' your fair playing ass will be on the bench or in the locker room in no time. Offensive players also try to get an edge by dropping like flies close to or inside the penalty area. Nobody gives a fuck - all part of the game. And then you have all the commedia del arte of players who are rolling on the ground as though they have just gotten an uppercut from George Foreman although whatever contact there might have been must have been as light as a feather - all in the hope that the umpire will give "the offending player" a yellow or red card of course. Whereas in tennis fans will complain if a player even just dares to breath, in football you can get away with anything. Supporters of the team that were on the receiving end of cheating or unfair descisions from the umpire will whine about it for a day or so. But a few days later all is forgotten because they know only to well that when given the chance their team will do the same thing come next weekend. As they say, "rugby is a sport for barbarians played by gentlemen while football is a sport for gentlemen played by barbarians." :)

Rugby you may not get the cheating of pulling shirts or rolling on the ground because that's all legal and part of the rules of the game. But you sure get some really nasty things trying to maim a player - even gouging a player's eye.

All team sports though it's harder for a player to be honest. His team mates won't like it for a start. I don't know when or where but I think it was a Liverpool player a few years ago explained to a ref when he went over in the penalty area that he had not been tripped and it was not a penalty. He was told never to do that again by the manager and team.

In cricket, going back a long time ago (showing my age) there was this big thing about do you walk or not when you know you are out. Ken Barrington - one of the best post-war batsmen we've had - walked if he knew he was out. He wouldn't wait for the umpire's finger to go up. And he reckoned every other player should do the same. Fast forward to the nineties and Michael Atherton as our England captain and he wouldn't walk in a million years. Of course he wasn't exactly the mose ethical and had to explain that dirt in the pocket incident which was clearly for illegally rubbing the ball with.

Now we had Charlotte Edwards, the women' cricket captain, on the radio last week. And it's great that women's cricket is being recognise more. She'd been round the country and schools playing the game and trying to get girls interested. She said she'd been talking about playing hard but also about the values of fairness and sportsmanship. Then she was aked "And would you walk?". Disappointingly she said "The decision is for the umpire to make". She was asked again "And if you really knew you were out?" and repeated the same answer.

Now in tennis - I've seen players like Ana Ivanovic in a grand slam final concede a point which was wrongly called. I've seen Kim concede a point that was wrongly called many times. I've seen JJ do the same. I don't think you'll ever see Sharapova call against herself. Neither did Capriati. But I've never seen a really big point like you lose the set or something conceded. It's all very well conceding a point early in a game. But would the players applauded for their honesty in calling against themselves take it to its logical conclusion on a huge point?

The two most ethical sports by professionals are individual and they are golf and snooker. A players bending over a ball in snooker suddenly gets up ans cally a foul against himself. The ref who was closely watching didn't spot anything. No-one watching on TV could spot it. But that player knew he had touched the ball he was bending over.

Chrissie-fan
Apr 21st, 2013, 10:38 PM
Now in tennis - I've seen players like Ana Ivanovic in a grand slam final concede a point which was wrongly called. I've seen Kim concede a point that was wrongly called many times. I've seen JJ do the same. I don't think you'll ever see Sharapova call against herself. Neither did Capriati. But I've never seen a really big point like you lose the set or something conceded. It's all very well conceding a point early in a game. But would the players applauded for their honesty in calling against themselves take it to its logical conclusion on a huge point?
Well, my compliments for those who have done that, but I think it's too much to EXPECT players to call against themselves. These days hawkeye has solved much of the problem, at least on the big courts of the most important tournaments. But in the days of old....imagine conceding a point because of a bad call and later on when the same things happens to you your opponent doesn't return the favor? When you mention Capriati you're probably think of that legendary match against Serena at the USO. But if Jennifer had conceded those points she might have lost the match, we'll never know. If she had lost a QF match at the USO against someone like Serena because she herself had conceded some points she would have spend the rest of the week, perhaps even the rest of the year banging her head against the wall. It's competition after all. And competition at that level is almost a matter of life or death, or should be if you want it badly enough. That's why I like both Sharapova and Capriati. It's not so much about their game. Contrary to what some may think it's (in Maria's case especially) not even about the way they look. It's about "the fight." They are what in boxing they would call "blood and guts warriors." They leave a piece of themselves out there on that tennis court. When you want it that badly there's no room to concede points.

terjw
Apr 21st, 2013, 11:17 PM
Well, my compliments for those who have done that, but I think it's too much to EXPECT players to call against themselves. These days hawkeye has solved much of the problem, at least on the big courts of the most important tournaments. But in the days of old....imagine conceding a point because of a bad call and later on when the same things happens to you your opponent doesn't return the favor? When you mention Capriati you're probably think of that legendary match against Serena at the USO. But if Jennifer had conceded those points she might have lost the match, we'll never know. If she had lost a QF match at the USO against someone like Serena because she herself had conceded some points she would have spend the rest of the week, perhaps even the rest of the year banging her head against the wall. It's competition after all. And competition at that level is almost a matter of life or death, or should be if you want it badly enough. That's why I like both Sharapova and Capriati. It's not so much about their game. Contrary to what some may think it's (in Maria's case especially) not even about the way they look. It's about "the fight." They are what in boxing they would call "blood and guts warriors." They leave a piece of themselves out there on that tennis court. When you want it that badly there's no room to concede points.

But then if you don't call against yourself - you know you didn't really win that point and you won unfairly. OK - perhaps it should be all be left to the umpire. But it's like whether you should walk in cricket. Ken Barrigton was very vociferous on this and believed every player should walk if they know they are out. And that's what he always did.

Mind you. Again - he was one of the best batsmen we've had and had the highest English post war Test batting average 58.67. Perhaps not so easy to walk if it's your first Test and whether you get selected again depends on how well you do.Stakes are a bit higher.

But then again. In golf and snooker - it's just absolutely drilled in to professionals, it's automatic. In those sports - you call any foul you know you've made against yourself. There's no debate. You just do. There's no "it's a bit too much to ask a player to do".

Chrissie-fan
Apr 21st, 2013, 11:37 PM
But then if you don't call against yourself - you know you didn't really win that point and you won unfairly. OK - perhaps it should be all be left to the umpire. But it's like whether you should walk in cricket. Ken Barrigton was very vociferous on this and believed every player should walk if they know they are out. And that's what he always did.

Mind you. Again - he was one of the best batsmen we've had and had the highest English post war Test batting average 58.67. Perhaps not so easy to walk if it's your first Test and whether you get selected again depends on how well you do.Stakes are a bit higher.

But then again. In golf and snooker - it's just absolutely drilled in to professionals, it's automatic. In those sports - you call any foul you know you've made against yourself. There's no debate. You just do. There's no "it's a bit too much to ask a player to do".
Yeah, but it's different because in golf and snooker you know that you can count on your opponent to be honest about it when they make a foul as well. That's not the case in tennis. And even IF they would be willing to concede a point when the linesperson has made a bad call, some shots are so close that your opponent may honestly not know if the ball was just in or just out.

terjw
Apr 21st, 2013, 11:43 PM
Yeah, but it's different because in golf and snooker you know that you can count on your opponent to be honest about it when they make a foul as well. That's not the case in tennis. And even IF they would be willing to concede a point when the linesperson has made a bad call, some shots are so close that your opponent may honestly not know if the ball was just in or just out.

That's true.

bruce goose
Apr 22nd, 2013, 03:05 AM
Outside of the USA though where is football (:)) not a big sport? Even in the USA they tell me it's growing. Most sports are normally against change, so football is not alone there. The main reason I think football takes off is because of its easiness to understand. I can watch the occasional football game with someone who doesn't even watch football (eg. World Cup) and they will understand what is going on. A sport like American football this isn't true. This is also true of basketball which is generally a very easy sport to watch for all. Probably the main reason basketball hasn't taken off in the UK is because it's a sport despite the local leagues that is very much ruled by the NBA. We have both very few NBA stars, and most importantly the NBA has very poor coverage and airs at a bad time for coverage (I actually get the NBA for basically free ha ;))

I am a fan of all 3. Big fan of football, reasonably big fan of basketball, and pretty casual fan of American football (very casual).

ps. If you want to see a football "clinic" tune in to this weeks Champions League semi-finals, they are expected to be great matches :).Will briefly comment first on the worthy chat between Terjw and Gaston: Ultimately,it depends on one's conscience.Would you steal from a grocery store if you knew,beyond a shadow of a doubt,that no one could see you??:hatoff:The answer to that question would probably reflect one's attitude towards fair play in sports.

To address YOUR points,Ozza: I totally agree that simplicity of rules makes it easier for a sport to grow in popularity.

As for the joke that 'soccer is growing in the U.S.',that's a crock of s--t:lol:!It has increased marginally in popularity cuz it was virtually NON-EXISTENT prior to the heavy funding increase for the national program,partly driven,no doubt,by the egomaniacal gringo desire to prove themselves as a world leader in every respect(not that they've come CLOSE to succeeding;)).European Soccer maniacs treat the U.S. like some sort of Holy Grail quest;if they can make it popular THERE,then that will some how validate their lifelong obsession with the sport.The reality is that gringos have the attention span of 5-year-olds and can barely even read an email that's more than 2 lines because they are fixated on instant gratification--in ALL aspects of their sleazy,greedy,superficial lives--with easy forms of communication like texting and Twitter.If soccer hasn't caught their attention YET,in this modern fast-paced era,than it never WILL.You won't ever see any significant increase in popularity from where it is NOW.To sum up,when we crossed the border,LEGALLY:rolleyes:,and kicked the shit out of them in the last Gold Cup final,the cheers were deafening for every Mexican goal...you'd have thought the game was at Azteca Stadium...and the closing ceremonies were IN SPANISH...so that 75% of the crowd could understand;)....case closed!

Now I'll switch terms to the original English ones,to be diplomatic:angel:,and distinguish between the Rugby Football(RF) played in the NFL and Association Football(AF) that remains the world's most popular sport.You ask me where AF isn't popular,and the answer exists within different shades of color,so to speak.There are nations like the U.S. where it's totally minor league(and there are SURELY a couple others but I've never cared to research that)....and then there are nations where it has a decent niche,but is nowhere CLOSE to where it is in your UK and many other countries.I would say that ANY nation which was introduced to AF later than others--and had OTHER team sports options--doesn't count AF as its favorite.In contrast,basketball HAS become the #1 sport in certain countries that had already had an AF following;i.e.,it didn't become #1 merely cuz it was the 1st team sport available,as AF was.

For example,Japan and Korea has seen an increase in AF popularity,but it's absolutely NO THREAT to baseball as #1 sport(that despite baseball's relatively deliberate pace).Even in Latin America,where AF is mostly HUGE,it won't ever come close to supplanting baseball in Cuba or the Dominican Republic.You could ask poster 'MIAH' if you wanted,but I don't think that AF even puts a small dent in Ice Hockey's popularity in Canada.Then you've got OTHER hockey-mad nations like Russia and Finland,and I'm not sure that AF has any chance in hell of being #1 THERE,either.

I've actually mellowed on AF in the past year,for some strange reason:lol:,as I used to despise it.Now,I see it as a potentially GREAT sport that could reach a whole new level,as North American ice hockey has done,by implementing some rules changes that eliminated loads of foul play and b.s. shenanigans in the sport.Of course,the NHL bosses aren't one iota as anal as FIFA is:lol:,so that may have facilitated those changes

P.S.: Have read some articles which suggested that basketball was more popular than AF in some smaller European nations such as Croatia and Lithuania that have had very poor results in AF competition yet have produced NBA stars and done very well both in Olympic and intra-continental championships

Chrissie-fan
Apr 22nd, 2013, 07:29 AM
Will briefly comment first on the worthy chat between Terjw and Gaston: Ultimately,it depends on one's conscience.Would you steal from a grocery store if you knew,beyond a shadow of a doubt,that no one could see you??:hatoff:
You mean that grocery store that is owned by that guy who whenever he gets the chance steals those tomatoes from my vegetable shop? :lol:

ozza
Apr 22nd, 2013, 09:55 AM
One thing I think you have wrong bruce goose is that Europeans really don't care about making football big in the USA. More and more the attentions are turning towards Asia because they lap it up more and more every year.

Surely interest must be on the rise in USA, supposedly the deals for the next world cup went up 147%. The last deal for the English Premier League as $80m 3 years ago, NBC recently signed a deal for $250m. I know you are going to say these figures are peanuts, but on paper it still looks big progress?

With regards to countries you pointed out. Canada is another obvious one yes. I am almost certain football is the biggest sport in Russia. In Japan and Korea I don't think I would argue football is not a "big sport" even if it isn't the number 1 sport.

One thing maybe someone could explain to me, why are say the Premier League (and La Liga) rights worth more than the Champions League rights in the USA(at least according to google)? This to me makes no sense, the Champions League is pretty much seen as the holy grail, and is Europe wide.

Chrissie-fan
Apr 22nd, 2013, 10:17 AM
Perhaps one of the reasons why they find it harder to make soccer really big in the US is that it's a hard sell for television. In sports like American Football and Basketball they can show commercials every five or ten minutes because of the time outs. In tennis there are the changes of end, in boxing they sit down for a minute between rounds, and so on. In soccer there is uninterrupted play for 45 minutes and much less opportunity to bore everyone to death with their whining about what car we should buy or which bud is for you.

ozza
Apr 22nd, 2013, 10:48 AM
Another obvious reason is the time difference. A lot of the matches are in the morning US time. It's kind of the same reason the NBA doesn't succeed here, basketball is actually a pretty popular sport on school playgrounds etc., but the first tip offs (apart from weekends) are at midnight which means only the hardcore fans are going to tune in (which in turn means no-one buys the rights).

There is also the case that some countries say tennis is a tough sell for television (Germany the one that instantly comes to mind) because there is no definite end point, you don't know how long a match is going to last. It depends on the culture of that country, in the UK, sports like baseball are seen as way to stop-start to ever succeed.

Chrissie out of interest you mention you occasionally watch the English, Spanish and Italian leagues. Is this reflective of Belgium, is say the English league more popular than the Belgian league?

ps. Are you a boxing fan?

Chrissie-fan
Apr 22nd, 2013, 11:10 AM
Chrissie out of interest you mention you occasionally watch the English, Spanish and Italian leagues. Is this reflective of Belgium, is say the English league more popular than the Belgian league?

ps. Are you a boxing fan?
I wouldn't say that it's more more popular than the Belgian league with the average person, but interest in foreign competitions has gone up as the Belgian league got ever more dreadful. The reason why I watch some of those matches is that I have a subscription to a package of sports channels on my cabel. There's a 24/7 golf channel, one about sports from the days of old, one that's about American team sports (baseball, American football, basketball), two Eurosport channels, one about 'extreme sports," and three footbal channels. They show every match from the Belgian league and somewhere between 3-5 matches each per week from the Dutch, Spanish, Italian, German, Italian and French leagues. Also the occasional match from the Russian and even the Brazilian league plus world cup qualifiers, not only from Europe but also from South America. So I always try to watch at least one, sometimes two games per week. I'm paying for it after all. :lol:

Yes, I like boxing. I'm not as obsessed about it as I am about tennis, but yes, I've been known to get out of bed at three in the morning to watch a big fight. :)

backhandsmash
Apr 22nd, 2013, 11:21 AM
Pretty surprising result in Monte Carlo with Nadal losing to Djokovic. This had been Nadal's best clay court tournament with him winning it 8 years in a row.

I had bet on Novak Djokovic @ 2.87 ;) Hope he does it again at the French.

TennisFan66
Apr 22nd, 2013, 11:40 AM
I had bet on Novak Djokovic @ 2.87 ;) Hope he does it again at the French.

And I had a bet on Alonso finishing on the Podium @ 1.50 ... :sad:

Chrissie-fan
Apr 22nd, 2013, 11:59 AM
I missed out on making a fortune when Boris Becker won his first Wimbledon and Arantxa Sanchez her first FO. I was convinced that they would win it and both were huge, huge underdogs at the time. If I had had enough courage to place a substantial bet my username now would not have been Chrissie-fan but Mr.Chrissie-fan. :sobbing:

TennisFan66
Apr 22nd, 2013, 12:07 PM
my username now would not have been Chrissie-fan but Mr.Chrissie-fan. :sobbing:

No no, it would have been Mr. Chri$$i€-fan ;)

ozza
Apr 22nd, 2013, 12:11 PM
I wouldn't say that it's more more popular than the Belgian league with the average person, but interest in foreign competitions has gone up as the Belgian league got ever more dreadful. The reason why I watch some of those matches is that I have a subscription to a package of sports channels on my cabel. There's a 24/7 golf channel, one about sports from the days of old, one that's about American team sports (baseball, American football, basketball), two Eurosport channels, one about 'extreme sports," and three footbal channels. They show every match from the Belgian league and somewhere between 3-5 matches each per week from the Dutch, Spanish, Italian, German, Italian and French leagues. Also the occasional match from the Russian and even the Brazilian league plus world cup qualifiers, not only from Europe but also from South America. So I always try to watch at least one, sometimes two games per week. I'm paying for it after all. :lol:

Yes, I like boxing. I'm not as obsessed about it as I am about tennis, but yes, I've been known to get out of bed at three in the morning to watch a big fight. :)

I think it's one of the sad thing that arises from football these days (being completely money dominated) that it makes it pretty much impossible for leagues to compete. I mean Belgium have one of their best national sides in eons, but none of those players actually play in Belgium, because they are all snapped up by the richer clubs abroad. The financial fair play regulations are just going to further this gulf, even in leagues the Champions League money is creating large gulfs.

Haha, Froch or Kessler ;)?

Chrissie-fan
Apr 22nd, 2013, 12:37 PM
I think it's one of the sad thing that arises from football these days (being completely money dominated) that it makes it pretty much impossible for leagues to compete. I mean Belgium have one of their best national sides in eons, but none of those players actually play in Belgium, because they are all snapped up by the richer clubs abroad. The financial fair play regulations are just going to further this gulf, even in leagues the Champions League money is creating large gulfs.
Yes, that's one of the most annoying things about football these days. They don't build a team anymore, they just buy one.
Haha, Froch or Kessler ;)?
Well, Froch's girlfriend is a stunning beauty, but Caroline roots for Kessler, so I'll have to give the nod to him. :lol:

TennisFan66
Apr 22nd, 2013, 12:59 PM
Yes, that's one of the most annoying things about football these days. They don't build a team anymore, they just buy one.

There are still real football clubs around. They are not all Chelsea, PSG, Malaga, Manchester City .. but you are of course right, it's damn difficult to compete with these clubs and their sugar daddy owner's wallet.

However, *fingers crossed* FFP comes into effect from next year. Malaga has already been yellow carded by UEFA. PSG been warned. Money City has lost £100-200 million pr season in the last couple of years, but will have to comply with just £40 million and over 3 years!

Now it obviously is possible to 'fudge' still. Like Sheik *whatever* signs a sponsorship with Money City for £1 tln over 5 years and voila, Money City shows a trading profit. This then depends, how UEFA is viewing such an arrangement.

Chelsea claimed they had a surplus last year :rolleyes: .. Accounting trickery and claimed income on some of Roman's preferred shares written down to zero. There will be some busy accountants in blue and UEFA will then decide, if it's 'legal' vis-a-vis FFP or not.

As for real clubs, like Villa (NextGen European Cup winners :worship:) we're struggling, fighting to avoid relegation. Ironically though, our top scorer is a young Belgian guy :lol: Christian Benteke. Anyhoo, we're in FFP trouble too. After MON's spending spree, the club is trading with a deficit and Lerner (club owner) forfeited on interest on a loan.

Owners can of course convert loans to equity. That's what Abramovic has done in Chelsea. And if owners can then also retire preferred shares and take it as income, that will obviously be an easy way to 'fudge' FFP rules.

It will be interesting to see, what will happen.

ozza
Apr 22nd, 2013, 01:20 PM
The problem with financial fair play is really if strict it would eradicate competition altogether. I mean under strict FFP Man Utd would win the league 95% of the time. It becomes even worse as you move down the league, the Champions League would give those clubs such an advantage over the rest of the field that it would be near impossible for anyone to compete with them. The effect of Champions League football will be extreme in the big leagues where the market pools are huge (as a result of bigger TV contracts).

The other obvious problem with FFP is there has to be a constant review of what some of the clubs are doing to combat it. PSG the most obvious offenders here, signing 150m euros (rising to 200m euros) deals a year for nothing in return with effectively their own owners (I think you'd need to be more than born yesterday to believe in the integrity of this "deal" :lol:)

Oh and ps. Froch all the way :).

bruce goose
Apr 22nd, 2013, 02:19 PM
One thing I think you have wrong bruce goose is that Europeans really don't care about making football big in the USA. More and more the attentions are turning towards Asia because they are lap it up more and more every year.

Surely interest must be on the rise in USA, supposedly the deals for the next world cup went up 147%. The last deal for the English Premier League as $80m 3 years ago, NBC recently signed a deal for $250m. I know you are going to say these figures are peanuts, but on paper it still looks big progress?

With regards to countries you pointed out. Canada is another obvious one yes. I am almost certain football is the biggest sport in Russia. In Japan and Korea I don't think I would argue football is not a "big sport" even if it isn't the number 1 sport.

One thing maybe someone could explain to me, why are say the Premier League (and La Liga) rights worth more than the Champions League rights in the USA(at least according to google)? This to me makes no sense, the Champions League is pretty much seen as the holy grail, and is Europe wide.Parting thoughts cuz I'm headed to work:wavey:;you could ask a Russian,but I'm pretty sure that ice hockey is much more loved there.My point was that AF doesn't captivate people nearly as much as nations that had other sporting options from their earliest days...and doesn't even do so in certain countries when it had the edge of being the 1st sport introduced.I have NEVER heard 2 gringos sitting around talking about AF in a sports bar unless it was WC time.It's not even in their TOP TEN sports there.

To conclude,I didn't mean normal Europeans like yourself;I was referring to promoters of the sport who look to spread its interest.For THEM,making gringos love AF is their Holy Grail...and a lost cause:lol:

ozza
Apr 22nd, 2013, 04:32 PM
^According to NashaMasha :-

"biggest sport - FOOTBALL!!!! in any sport newspaper at least 10 of 16 pages are given for Football
second , not far behind , but only in winter - Biathlon
third - hockey
fourth- Formula 1 /Tennis"

I was also talking about the promoters of the sport. The English FA, La Liga, UEFA at least are far more concerned about growth in Asia (especially China) than they are of growth in USA. I don't know exactly what FIFA are attempting to do, but obviously UEFA is by far the most important association with regards to the growth of the game.

TennisFan66
Apr 22nd, 2013, 04:37 PM
^ Biathlon, 2nd largest sport? .. Was that poll done exclusively with Norwegians? :lol:

ozza
Apr 22nd, 2013, 04:41 PM
It's not a poll. It's what NashaMasha (Russian poster) told me about sports in Russia. Isn't Biathlon big in Germany too? Whereas for me Biathlon is the sport that when I fall asleep at the end of the Australian Open coverage, I will wake up and Biathlon will be on my TV :lol:.

TennisFan66
Apr 22nd, 2013, 04:46 PM
It's not a poll. It's what NashaMasha (Russian poster) told me about sports in Russia. Isn't Biathlon big in Germany too? Whereas for me Biathlon is the sport that when I fall asleep at the end of the Australian Open coverage, I will wake up and Biathlon will be on my TV :lol:.

That explains it. Russians are quite good at that too.

Measuring 'sports', depends what criteria you're using.

Both global membership in clubs and commercial revenue would probably see football as #1 ..

Badminton and table tennis are probably more popular than tennis. But commercially, tennis is much larger.

Patrick345
Apr 22nd, 2013, 04:46 PM
Haha, Froch or Kessler ;)?

Both. Two of the best ambassadors for the sport. Don´t care about the who, the where, always give 100% to entertain the fans and appear to be humble and fun blokes out of the ring.

Or you asking, who´ll win the rematch? :lol:

ozza
Apr 22nd, 2013, 04:51 PM
Both. Two of the best ambassadors for the sport. Don´t care about the who, the where, always give 100% to entertain the fans and appear to be humble and fun blokes out of the ring.

Or you asking, who´ll win the rematch? :lol:

Who will win the rematch ;)?

Chrissie-fan
Apr 22nd, 2013, 05:02 PM
Who will win the rematch ;)?
I think Froch will win.

Patrick345
Apr 22nd, 2013, 05:11 PM
I think Froch will win.

Me, too. But that´s probably what everybody will say with Froch being at home, coming off the huge win against Bute and Kessler´s recent performances. :lol:

Patrick345
Apr 22nd, 2013, 05:12 PM
I must say I really like that most Wozniacki fans seem to be huge sports fans in general. Too bad you all Wozniacki fans. ;) :lol:

Chrissie-fan
Apr 22nd, 2013, 05:59 PM
Me, too. But that´s probably what everybody will say with Froch being at home, coming off the huge win against Bute and Kessler´s recent performances. :lol:
Exactly. Home advantage plus Froch is at his peak while Kessler may be just a little bit past his, although he's still formidable of course.

backhandsmash
Apr 22nd, 2013, 06:03 PM
I must say I really like that most Wozniacki fans seem to be huge sports fans in general. Too bad you all Wozniacki fans. ;) :lol:

Yeah, we know you are not a fan, but please do keep posting in this thread and the golf thread. And same goes for Jimmie, as far as I'm concerned.

Chrissie-fan
Apr 22nd, 2013, 06:07 PM
I must say I really like that most Wozniacki fans seem to be huge sports fans in general. Too bad you all Wozniacki fans. ;) :lol:
Which only goes to show that it takes a real sports fan to fully appreciate the genius of the Woz. :p :lol:

bruce goose
Apr 22nd, 2013, 06:35 PM
^According to NashaMasha :-

"biggest sport - FOOTBALL!!!! in any sport newspaper at least 10 of 16 pages are given for Football
second , not far behind , but only in winter - Biathlon
third - hockey
fourth- Formula 1 /Tennis"

I was also talking about the promoters of the sport. The English FA, La Liga, UEFA at least are far more concerned about growth in Asia (especially China) than they are of growth in USA. I don't know exactly what FIFA are attempting to do, but obviously UEFA is by far the most important association with regards to the growth of the game.No offense to Nasha/Masha,but I think she'll bullshitting us to the extreme.She's probably a huge soccer/association football FAN and is jealous that hockey eclipses it in her country.Russia has always been pretty lame in WC competition,yet they are LEGENDARY at ice hockey;I doubt that's a coincidence.Even TennisFan66 thought it was ridiculous that BIATHLON was supposedly MUCH more popular than ice hockey in Russia:rolleyes:.The only reason why AF might get more coverage is because the f--king season NEVER ENDS!!,whereas hockey is so physically demanding that players need an offseason of a few months to recuperate.While that's happening,Russian papers report on other European sports like Champions League,Premier League,Douchebag League,Drunken Bastards League,etc.

You're probably right about UEFA,though;they've likely given up on the USA as a lost cause for AF--which it IS--and are focusing more on Asia now.Every once in a while,though,one hears a European clinging to the desperate hope/propaganda that AF is "growing in the U.S."(growing minimally at GLACIAL speed,that is:lol:)

EDIT: I just visited the webpage named RussiaProfile,and it listed AF as THIRD behind ice hockey and ice skating.This is remarkable for the fact that hockey is far more expensive to play in leagues due to the equipment and rink costs,and Russia's economic struggles give AF a huge advantage in that respect with its affordability

Patrick345
Apr 22nd, 2013, 06:47 PM
No offense to Nasha/Masha,but I think she'll bullshitting us to the extreme.She's probably a huge soccer/association football FAN and is jealous that hockey eclipses it in her country.Russia has always been pretty lame in WC competition,yet they are LEGENDARY at ice hockey;I doubt that's a coincidence.Even TennisFan66 thought it was ridiculous that BIATHLON was supposedly MUCH more popular than ice hockey in Russia:rolleyes:.The only reason why AF might get more coverage is because the f--king season NEVER ENDS!!,whereas hockey is so physically demanding that players need an offseason of a few months to recuperate.While that's happening,Russian papers report on other European sports like Champions League,Premier League,Douchebag League,Drunken Bastards League,etc.

You're probably right about UEFA,though;they've likely given up on the USA as a lost cause for AF--which it IS--and are focusing more on Asia now.Every once in a while,though,one hears a European clinging to the desperate hope/propaganda that AF is "growing in the U.S."(growing minimally at GLACIAL speed,that is:lol:)


What is AF? American Football as in in football (soccer) in America and not literally American Football? I try to make sense of your post. :lol:

Otherwise I´d trust a Russian (even Nasha/Masha) to give a fair view on the sports TV market. What agenda would there be? You probably wouldn´t believe a German either, if he told you that tennis probably ranks somewhere behind Speedskating, Skeleton, Cross-Country Skiing, Pro Wrestling, Poker, Snooker and Darts in TV time or TV interest. :lol:

Chrissie-fan
Apr 22nd, 2013, 06:55 PM
What is AF? American Football as in in football (soccer) in America and not literally American Football? I try to make sense of your post. :lol:
Association football = soccer.

Otherwise I´d trust a Russian (even Nasha/Masha) to give a fair view on the sports TV market. What agenda would there be? You probably wouldn´t believe a German either, if he told you that tennis probably ranks somewhere behind Speedskating, Skeleton, Cross-Country Skiing, Pro Wrestling, Poker, Snooker and Darts in TV time or TV interest. :lol:
I found that hard to believe when Jimmie first said it. How is such a thing possible after Boris Becker and Steffi Graf? And it's not as though Germany doesn't have any good players anymore.

bruce goose
Apr 22nd, 2013, 06:57 PM
What is AF? American Football as in in football (soccer) in America and not literally American Football? I try to make sense of your post. :lol:

Otherwise I´d trust a Russian (even Nasha/Masha) to give a fair view on the sports TV market. What agenda would there be? You probably wouldn´t believe a German either, if he told you that tennis probably ranks somewhere behind Speedskating, Skeleton, Cross-Country Skiing, Pro Wrestling, Poker, Snooker and Darts in TV time or TV interest. :lol:No,I'd believe you b/c I've read several other Germans mention that tennis was a non-entity in Deutschland.

What motive would she have for bullshitting us?Simple: Maybe she hates hockey and loves soccer,and WISHES that it were #1.I find it absurd that biathlon supposedly far eclipses ice hockey in Russia,which I've always heard was their favorite sport.If you look at the addendum to my post,I went back and double-checked a Russian culture website that confirmed what I'd always seen before.

AF=Soccer,or A ssociation F ootball,as opposed to the Rugby Football played in the NFL

Patrick345
Apr 22nd, 2013, 07:09 PM
Association football = soccer.


I found that hard to believe when Jimmie first said it. How is such a thing possible after Boris Becker and Steffi Graf? And it's not as though Germany doesn't have any good players anymore.

1. Ah.

2. Yeah well the Fed-Cup weekend allegedly drew an average of 25.000 viewers (No, I didn´t forget any zeroes) on a special-interest channel that targets women over 50. For them it was probably the best rating in the channel´s history, which tells you all need to know about its significance. :tape:


@Bruce
Biathlon TV ratings overshadow everything, but Football, F1 and Olympics in Germany, too. People love that stuff. Overall far more people attend Handball, Basketball or Hockey games over a full season, but on TV Biathlon is a freaking monster. :lol:

ozza
Apr 22nd, 2013, 07:09 PM
No offense to Nasha/Masha,but I think she'll bullshitting us to the extreme.She's probably a huge soccer/association football FAN and is jealous that hockey eclipses it in her country.Russia has always been pretty lame in WC competition,yet they are LEGENDARY at ice hockey;I doubt that's a coincidence.Even TennisFan66 thought it was ridiculous that BIATHLON was supposedly MUCH more popular than ice hockey in Russia:rolleyes:.The only reason why AF might get more coverage is because the f--king season NEVER ENDS!!,whereas hockey is so physically demanding that players need an offseason of a few months to recuperate.While that's happening,Russian papers report on other European sports like Champions League,Premier League,Douchebag League,Drunken Bastards League,etc.

You're probably right about UEFA,though;they've likely given up on the USA as a lost cause for AF--which it IS--and are focusing more on Asia now.Every once in a while,though,one hears a European clinging to the desperate hope/propaganda that AF is "growing in the U.S."(growing minimally at GLACIAL speed,that is:lol:)

EDIT: I just visited the webpage named RussiaProfile,and it listed AF as THIRD behind ice hockey and ice skating.This is remarkable for the fact that hockey is far more expensive to play in leagues due to the equipment and rink costs,and Russia's economic struggles give AF a huge advantage in that respect with its affordability

Google seems to suggest that football is the biggest sport in Russia when I google it. Anyway this is pointless, I was talking about the few countries football isn't a big sport, not necessarily being #1 sport. Russia have a reasonable record in football, but how good you are isn't necessarily the deciding factor in how popular the sport is. If it was football wouldn't be number 1 sport in the UK either.

There is an off-season in European football (actually 2 in Russia, but I guess you could say they tune into western European football in the winter), it doesn't necessarily translate to the America's where I know the season pretty much never ends in some of the countries. In Europe the only football that is played in the summer is national competitions every 2 years.

Patrick345
Apr 22nd, 2013, 07:15 PM
Google seems to suggest that football is the biggest sport in Russia when I google it. Anyway this is pointless, I was talking about the few countries football isn't a big sport, not necessarily being #1 sport. Russia have a reasonable record in football, but how good you are isn't necessarily the deciding factor in how popular the sport is. If it was football wouldn't be number 1 sport in the UK either.

There is an off-season in European football (actually 2 in Russia, but I guess you could say they tune into western European football in the winter), it doesn't necessarily translate to the America's where I know the season pretty much never ends in some of the countries. In Europe the only football that is played in the summer is national competitions every 2 years.

:haha:

I love Brits poking fun at their own national team. I hope you never become good again, because I´d miss that humour. :lol:

ozza
Apr 22nd, 2013, 07:15 PM
@Patrick. One thing I've never understood. Everyone says tennis is so unpopular in Germany, but how come there are so many German posters on this forum? Is it a case of everyone who is a fan is a hardcore fan?

bruce goose
Apr 22nd, 2013, 07:19 PM
Google seems to suggest that football is the biggest sport in Russia when I google it. Anyway this is pointless, I was talking about the few countries football isn't a big sport, not necessarily being #1 sport. Russia have a reasonable record in football, but how good you are isn't necessarily the deciding factor in how popular the sport is. If it was football wouldn't be number 1 sport in the UK either.

There is an off-season in European football (actually 2 in Russia, but I guess you could say they tune into western European football in the winter), it doesn't necessarily translate to the America's where I know the season pretty much never ends in some of the countries. In Europe the only football that is played in the summer is national competitions every 2 years.Google often accesses major bullshit!You can find all sorts of factually wrong crap on Wikipedia.I've never seen ANYthing reliable to suggest that soccer/AF eclipsed ice hockey in Russia.Your point is taken,but MY point was that it wasn't such a popular sport in countries where it didn't take a strong foothold as #1 before other sports were invented...and even in a few nations where it WAS the first team sport,it has been eclipsed by others.

I was exaggerating a bit b/c AF is ALWAYS on Mexican TV,12 months out of the year,and THAT gets more than a little tiresome to me:lol:

Patrick345
Apr 22nd, 2013, 07:23 PM
@Patrick. One thing I've never understood. Everyone says tennis is so unpopular in Germany, but how come there are so many German posters on this forum? Is it a case of everyone who is a fan is a hardcore fan?

Pretty much.

ozza
Apr 22nd, 2013, 07:24 PM
:haha:

I love Brits poking fun at their own national team. I hope you never become good again, because I´d miss that humour. :lol:

It has led to one thing though. National football even 15-20 years ago used to be king in this country. The rise of the Premier League and its commercial success has taken over now though. Especially among the younger generation people care less and less about the national team. For example I am 22, the large majority of my friends are football fans, quite a number of them though don't care about the national team. TV ratings are on the decline for the national team too (whereas obviously Premier League ratings just rise and rise).

Who do you support?

bruce goose
Apr 22nd, 2013, 07:27 PM
1. Ah.

2. Yeah well the Fed-Cup weekend allegedly drew an average of 25.000 viewers (No, I didn´t forget any zeroes) on a special-interest channel that targets women over 50. For them it was probably the best rating in the channel´s history, which tells you all need to know about its significance. :tape:


@Bruce
Biathlon TV ratings overshadow everything, but Football, F1 and Olympics in Germany, too. People love that stuff. Overall far more people attend Handball, Basketball or Hockey games over a full season, but on TV Biathlon is a freaking monster. :lol:Thank you for the info:hatoff:.I can't claim to be an authority on any countries other than the two where I've lived;however,I found it very strange that ice hockey was supposedly a distant 3rd in popularity in Russia,as that contradicted everything I've heard.It sounds like B.s. from an AF fanatic to me,maybe someone who hates the physicality of ice hockey:shrug:.Like I said,I went back and checked a Russian culture website that listed hockey #1 and AF THIRD,with biathlon further down the list.The way you describe it,biathlon has an aberrant amount of popularity on TV,yet doesn't match the overall level of interest that other big sports have.I'll bet you that,if I asked a group of Russian 13-year-olds which they'd prefer to be if they had their wishes,at least 9 out of 10 would choose hockey player over biathlon competitor

Patrick345
Apr 22nd, 2013, 07:30 PM
It has led to one thing though. National football even 15-20 years ago used to be king in this country. The rise of the Premier League and its commercial success has taken over now though. Especially among the younger generation people care less and less about the national team. For example I am 22, the large majority of my friends are football fans, quite a number of them though don't care about the national team. TV ratings are on the decline for the national team too (whereas obviously Premier League ratings just rise and rise).

Who do you support?

German national team, otherwise I don´t have a specific club. I like certain players and appreciate good work and football. If I had to pick a team I´d probably say VfB Stuttgart and Borussia M´Gladbach. Favourite players are Reus, Khedira and DiMaria.

ozza
Apr 22nd, 2013, 07:35 PM
I was exaggerating a bit b/c AF is ALWAYS on Mexican TV,12 months out of the year,and THAT gets more than a little tiresome to me:lol:

Yes what makes me lol is when you go to USA, you get way more football on TV than you get in the UK. You'll get all the major European stuff, then you get MLS, Mexican, Brazilian, Argentinian leagues, Copa Libertadores etc. They even air more Premier League games than we do ;).

Pretty much.

Pretty much the polar opposite to the UK then where during Wimbledon all of sudden 30 million people become tennis fans. Tennis is also pretty popular in this country as a flick through sport, where people tune in while flicking through the channels.

Patrick345
Apr 22nd, 2013, 07:39 PM
Thank you for the info:hatoff:.I can't claim to be an authority on any countries other than the two where I've lived;however,I found it very strange that ice hockey was supposedly a distant 3rd in popularity in Russia,as that contradicted everything I've heard.It sounds like B.s. from an AF fanatic to me,maybe someone who hates the physicality of ice hockey:shrug:.Like I said,I went back and checked a Russian culture website that listed hockey #1 and AF THIRD,with biathlon further down the list.The way you describe it,biathlon has an aberrant amount of popularity on TV,yet doesn't match the overall level of interest that other big sports have.I'll bet you that,if I asked a group of Russian 13-year-olds which they'd prefer to be if they had their wishes,at least 9 out of 10 would choose hockey player over biathlon competitor

No doubt. Not the least because of the fame and money involved in being a great hockey player compared to being a great biathlete. At the same time in Germany for example most young cross-country skiers try to switch to Biathlon, because the earning potential is bigger in the sport. Therefore the talent pool is sufficient.

To be honest I understand why Biathlon is so popular. It is fun to watch. It really is a great mix of endurance and skill, that provides plenty of drama in an action-packed 30-45 minutes. I´m always amused that Biathlon is not the most popular wintersport in America with their love for shooting and guns. :lol:

bruce goose
Apr 22nd, 2013, 07:46 PM
No doubt. Not the least because of the fame and money involved in being a great hockey player compared to being a great biathlete. At the same time in Germany for example most young cross-country skiers try to switch to Biathlon, because the earning potential is bigger in the sport. Therefore the talent pool is sufficient.

To be honest I understand why Biathlon is so popular. It is fun to watch. It really is a great mix of endurance and skill, that provides plenty of drama in an action-packed 30-45 minutes. I´m always amused that Biathlon is not the most popular wintersport in America with their love for shooting and guns. :lol:I don't put down biathlon at all,but it's sort of an endurance sport that requires patience to watch,and typical gringos have a pitifully-short attention span.If they want to see shooting,they just watch some crappy police-crime drama film or TV show

bruce goose
Apr 22nd, 2013, 07:52 PM
Yes what makes me lol is when you go to USA, you get way more football on TV than you get in the UK. You'll get all the major European stuff, then you get MLS, Mexican, Brazilian, Argentinian leagues, Copa Libertadores etc. They even air more Premier League games than we do ;).They get EVERYthing on TV there;that and the internet are their sources of information.Maybe 5% of them actually read the newspaper thoroughly by using critical thinking skills(then again,how can you USE what you utterly lack)...and even fewer read books(I mean REAL books,not manure like the Twilight series:rolleyes:).

There are lots and lots of foreigners in the U.S.,so AF is guaranteed to always have a niche audience

DownInAHole
Apr 22nd, 2013, 08:59 PM
I must say I really like that most Wozniacki fans seem to be huge sports fans in general. Too bad you all Wozniacki fans. ;) :lol:

Her results have not been stellar for a while now. We need to watch other sports during the...lulls...in her game.;)

bruce goose
Apr 22nd, 2013, 09:23 PM
Yes what makes me lol is when you go to USA, you get way more football on TV than you get in the UK. You'll get all the major European stuff, then you get MLS, Mexican, Brazilian, Argentinian leagues, Copa Libertadores etc. They even air more Premier League games than we do ;).



Pretty much the polar opposite to the UK then where during Wimbledon all of sudden 30 million people become tennis fans. Tennis is also pretty popular in this country as a flick through sport, where people tune in while flicking through the channels.You and Patrick345 deserve a mea culpa from me.Just finished chatting with a friend who REALLY dislikes AF and loves hockey,and he concedes that AF is the national sport in Russia,basically.....However,he also said that Masha/Nasha GREATLY exaggerated...that hockey only trails AF by a very small margin.I'd guess that's because of the affordability/accessibility issues.You two were right and I was wrong:hatoff:

Other nations where it's NOT #1 by a long shot,though,include: the PRC(where it no more than breaks even with lots of other sports),Australia,India,Indonesia,Venezuela and Taiwan...all countries with significant populations

Patrick345
Apr 22nd, 2013, 10:21 PM
You and Patrick345 deserve a mea culpa from me.Just finished chatting with a friend who REALLY dislikes AF and loves hockey,and he concedes that AF is the national sport in Russia,basically.....However,he also said that Masha/Nasha GREATLY exaggerated...that hockey only trails AF by a very small margin.I'd guess that's because of the affordability/accessibility issues.You two were right and I was wrong:hatoff:

Other nations where it's NOT #1 by a long shot,though,include: the PRC(where it no more than breaks even with lots of other sports),Australia,India,Indonesia,Venezuela and Taiwan...all countries with significant populations

Your abbreviations are killing me, but I also learn. China it´s two more letters. :lol:

To be honest with the possible exception of the USA (and I feel even that is changing) every country in the world wants to be good at football, whether it actually is the #1 sport in that country or not. It´s the #1 sport in the world and on some level the new way to compare d***-size between countries. It is something nations draw strength and pride from. It´s why it will never be replaced by any other sport. At some level every nation is drawn to it. I´m sure China would happily trade five gold medals in table tennis for a single soccer superstar.

bruce goose
Apr 22nd, 2013, 11:47 PM
Your abbreviations are killing me, but I also learn. China it´s two more letters. :lol:

To be honest with the possible exception of the USA (and I feel even that is changing) every country in the world wants to be good at football, whether it actually is the #1 sport in that country or not. It´s the #1 sport in the world and on some level the new way to compare d***-size between countries.It´s why it will never be replaced by any other sport.Oh,but it HAS been replaced.Just take a look at four British colonies where AF had the advantage of being the first sport played by local soldiers in the colonial days(the U.S.,Canada,Australia,and India).All of them chose OTHER sports instead of AF as their faves,nor would AF be popular were it not for its HUGE advantage in not having very much team sports competition back when it was invented.AF is like Catholicism;if folks weren't brainwashed on it from childhood,they wouldn't be drawn to it AT ALL,hence the lack of significant growth in the US and other nations which have other favorite sports.

I'd be stunned if the PRC(CHINESE:p)leadership preferred an AF trophy over table tennis dominance.It would hurt their pride a lot if another country supplanted them as #1 in ping-pong.

Your comparing d--- size analogy is a very,very good one,though,and is the main reason why the pinche gringos wanna win and throw it in the rest of the world's faces.A U.S. WC victory parade--in an alternate universe--could be held in a Burger King parking lot:lol:.Read my post a couple pages back that mentions how cheers for Mexican goals were DEAFENING in the last Gold Cup final,and the trophy ceremony--on U.S. soil--was in SPANISH,to accommodate 75% of the crowd...case closed:angel:

KleineBiere
Apr 24th, 2013, 09:06 PM
german soccer teams. impressive :eek:

bruce goose
Apr 24th, 2013, 09:39 PM
german soccer teams. impressive :eek:Yeah,I was cheering for Bayern yesterday and lots of people at the school were surprised at the dominance of the victory.It's just a little strange that people here cheer for Barcelona and other Spanish teams(though many young people don't get to travel much to other continents).The younger Spaniards are pretty friendly with us,but the older generation is a bunch of nasty racists and treat us like s--t--like colonial subjects--whenever one of us visits there.It's not just the darker-skinned Mexicans,either;even the ones who are as pale as THEY are get treated poorly whenever our accent is noticed.....Payback is a bitch,though:devil:;Spaniards get the CRAP kicked out of them and get mugged when they come here on vacation.VAMOS,Bayern:bounce::p!

backhandsmash
Apr 24th, 2013, 09:55 PM
Real got bitch-slapped oh fucking yes!

TennisFan66
Apr 24th, 2013, 09:55 PM
german soccer teams. impressive :eek:

And impressive again :worship: .. Two German teams at Wembley ... The SUN will be livid :lol:

backhandsmash
Apr 24th, 2013, 10:06 PM
Jimmie...you must have something to say in here? ;)

TennisFan66
Apr 24th, 2013, 10:14 PM
I am reading elsewhere that Bayern didn't just take Götze, but apparently also Lewandowski?!?!?!

This reminds of when they stole Lothar Matthaus from Gladbach. Grrrr. I've never forgiven them for that. Matthaus last game for Gladbach was a German Cup Final (against Bayern) ... it went to penalty shoot-out and Bayern won, because Matthaus missed!!

bruce goose
Apr 26th, 2013, 09:52 PM
Read where Alexei Ovechkin allegedly tore up the locker room during intermission of one game when he couldn't visually locate Makiri in the stands.Don't know how exaggerated that report may have been but,if you're gonna go nuts over a woman that way,then I suppose that Makiri would at least be a quasi-logical focus of such sentiment....as opposed to,say,Claire Feuerstein:lol:

Chrissie-fan
Apr 26th, 2013, 10:31 PM
Yeah,I was cheering for Bayern yesterday and lots of people at the school were surprised at the dominance of the victory.It's just a little strange that people here cheer for Barcelona and other Spanish teams(though many young people don't get to travel much to other continents).The younger Spaniards are pretty friendly with us,but the older generation is a bunch of nasty racists and treat us like s--t--like colonial subjects--whenever one of us visits there.It's not just the darker-skinned Mexicans,either;even the ones who are as pale as THEY are get treated poorly whenever our accent is noticed.....Payback is a bitch,though:devil:;Spaniards get the CRAP kicked out of them and get mugged when they come here on vacation.VAMOS,Bayern:bounce::p!
No, it's not strange at all since Spain's national team and Barcelona and Real Madrid have played the 'prettiest' football by a long way in recent years. Especially Barcelona's game is pure eye candy when they are on, which at the moment they clearly are not. But it has to be said that they have become too dependent on Messi who's the best player in the world. When he has an off day the're in trouble. But that doesn't take anything away from Bayern of course. On the contrary I'd say.

Chrissie-fan
Apr 26th, 2013, 10:32 PM
Jimmie...you must have something to say in here? ;)
Jimmie hates Bayern.