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Shaboinka84
Jul 31st, 2012, 07:44 PM
This sucks I wish another station had the coverage

Lazyking
Jul 31st, 2012, 07:47 PM
its on a court that isn't televised. A different station wouldn't do anything better in that regard.

Shaboinka84
Jul 31st, 2012, 07:49 PM
Just in general this switching back and forth. ESPN or Tennis channel at least give you an option to watch one of 5 matches

Barktra
Jul 31st, 2012, 07:50 PM
They put the match on a another court so they can get it finished ;)

The streamed match courts are behind because of rain

T-rex
Jul 31st, 2012, 07:51 PM
They put the Williams sisters on a court that where there is no TV hookup or availability. It was mentioned on the NBC broadcast to justify to the USA audience why the Wiliams sisters were not on. Unreal.

Lazyking
Jul 31st, 2012, 07:54 PM
Just in general this switching back and forth. ESPN or Tennis channel at least give you an option to watch one of 5 matches

When do they do that? You talking Espn3 streams? Tennis channel is only one channel.

NBC is streaming all matches on the courts that are televised. Just so happens the williams sisters aren't on one.

Lazyking
Jul 31st, 2012, 07:59 PM
They put the Williams sisters on a court that where there is no TV hookup or availability. It was mentioned on the NBC broadcast to justify to the USA audience why the Wiliams sisters were not on. Unreal.

To be fair, they had no where else to put them. only five courts have TV feeds and you'd have to switch them pretty quickly cause matches started roughly at the same time. Logistics nightmare.

Not only that but Singles >doubles any day of the week.

T-rex
Jul 31st, 2012, 08:02 PM
You would have to look long and hard to find another sport that kills its own golden goose the way tennis does.

First, yesterday they conceded the entire afternoon to the ATP, (losing millions of dollars in free TV advertising for their sport) by not having Venus on CC, where she should have been.

And then today, NBC must scramble again to fill airtime, because the Williams sisters are put on a court where TV crews can't even get their cameras.



One day there will be business college courses on how much money has been lost by the hierarchy of this sport, due to their loathing of the Williams Sisters.

T-rex
Jul 31st, 2012, 08:09 PM
To be fair, they had no where else to put them. only five courts have TV feeds and you'd have to switch them pretty quickly cause matches started roughly at the same time. Logistics nightmare.

Not only that but Singles >doubles any day of the week.


I know that's the party line. But that's not an excuse.

If Golf were in this situation, they would find a way to get Tiger Woods on TV.

If the NBA were in this situation, they would find a way to get Kobe Byrant and Lebron James on TV.

If the ATP were in this situation, they would find a way to get Federer and Nadal on TV.


The only time, literally in all of sports that this issue comes up, is with Tennis and the Williams Sisters.

Think about it.

Nobody in sports has a more difficult time with their top stars than they do. Its gone beyond sheer coincidence.



We have had lots of rain delays before. This isn't anything that new. When was the last time Federer or Nadal played an afternoon match on a court where TV hookup literally was not even available, during a highly televised tournament?

Lazyking
Jul 31st, 2012, 08:47 PM
Part of it goes on the WTA but I'm not sure how much say they have in this tournament specifically. I don't think the ITF is thinking we need to have the williams sisters on a TV court for a second round doubles match.. That's just me.

SerenaMJ
Jul 31st, 2012, 08:50 PM
Court 12 has cameras during Wimbledon, I wonder why it has none during Olympics. Pi**ed off!

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 31st, 2012, 08:50 PM
Blame Tsonga Raonic

T-rex
Jul 31st, 2012, 09:05 PM
Part of it goes on the WTA but I'm not sure how much say they have in this tournament specifically. I don't think the ITF is thinking we need to have the williams sisters on a TV court for a second round doubles match.. That's just me.


In full fairness, you absolutely could be right. I am not sure who has the final call on court placement. But I can tell you that it is possible for management to persuade the ITF into making this a priority. I believe if the WTA wanted to emphasize certain court assignments for the benefits of fans and TV partners, this would not have happened.



Think about.

The number one business partner for the entire Olympics want the WIlliams sisters as often as possible (NBC Sports). They are the top draw and # 1 TV ratings generator for your spot. And this is the biggest platform the sport is going to have for the next 4 years to showcase our sport to the world.

And this is what happens?




The WTA can hide behind the ITF, who can hide behind this group, etc. etc. They are just passing the buck.

To put this in proper context, with the same rain delays and same tournament, the ATP has managed to get almost all of Roger Federer's events on TV. In fact yesterday, USA TV got the Roger Federer doubles match IN ITS ENTIRETY! In fact in the last 4 days as an American sports consumer, I've gotten more Joe Wilfred Tsongas on TV than anything else! Yes that's right. The ATP has nearly gotten as much commercial air time for Joe Wiflred Tsongas, as the WTA has for the much more accomplished Wililams Sisters. Watching the WTA run ths sport it has gotten to be downright comical.

With NBC Sports as your #1 business partner, how on earth, under any circumstances could the Williams sisters end up on a court .... WHERE TV COVERAGE WAS NOT POSSIBLE!

T-rex
Jul 31st, 2012, 09:17 PM
Blame Tsonga Raonic

I'll tell you what was interesting.

Did you guys notice that Tsongas/Raonic took presidence over the Sharpaova match on center court on USA TV?



I'll admit I was shocked. I thought they would go to Sharapova. But they didn't. And you could tell by the broadcast that there was legit indecision on behalf of NBC with regards to which way to go. I guess the overwhelming data showing that Sharapova doesn't add any additional TV viewers to her matches, led NBC to stay away. I don't know.


Yesterday, NBC completely avoided the Wozniacki match on center court. And today with Sharapova playing on center court, they opted for Tsongas. This really shows you the state of the WTA, and its not good. It also shows you the true value of the Williams sisters. Venus and Serena are the only two players on the WTA tour that can keep WTA olympic tennis on NBC.:lol:


Tsongas over Sharapova! Who would have thought that.

edificio
Jul 31st, 2012, 09:19 PM
The men showed that you can still have a great, if long, match that is best 2 out of 3. So...let's make it happen ITF.

Anyway, they needed to get the doubles in today, just to give Vee some rest :), so they moved it to a nontelevised court. Now why so many nontelevised courts for the Olympics, I don't understand, seemed like a mistake at the start.

I think NBC wanted to let people wrapped up in Tsonga-Raonic see the end. Little did they know that the last set would be three hours long.

T-rex
Jul 31st, 2012, 09:29 PM
The men showed that you can still have a great, if long, match that is best 2 out of 3. So...let's make it happen ITF.

Anyway, they needed to get the doubles in today, just to give Vee some rest :), so they moved it to a nontelevised court. Now why so many nontelevised courts for the Olympics, I don't understand, seemed like a mistake at the start.

I think NBC wanted to let people wrapped up in Tsonga-Raonic see the end. Little did they know that the last set would be three hours long.


Good post.

I'll tell you that's a story coming out of these olympic games. Has anybody missed any guy playing 5-sets in this tournament? I know I sure haven't.



The Tsongas contest today was close, exciting, well played, long........................................... AND IT WAS A 3 SET MATCH!

I think the case is rapidly closing on that debate.


Apparently NBC agrees with our assessment. Because the Tsongas match pushed our girl Sharapova right off the air.:lol:

Slammer7
Jul 31st, 2012, 09:59 PM
I know that's the party line. But that's not an excuse.

If Golf were in this situation, they would find a way to get Tiger Woods on TV.

If the NBA were in this situation, they would find a way to get Kobe Byrant and Lebron James on TV.

If the ATP were in this situation, they would find a way to get Federer and Nadal on TV.


The only time, literally in all of sports that this issue comes up, is with Tennis and the Williams Sisters.

Think about it.

Nobody in sports has a more difficult time with their top stars than they do. Its gone beyond sheer coincidence.



We have had lots of rain delays before. This isn't anything that new. When was the last time Federer or Nadal played an afternoon match on a court where TV hookup literally was not even available, during a highly televised tournament?

The rain has severely messed up the original court assignments and broadcasting schedule. Venus was originally going to be second on court 1 on Sunday which would have been a fine court assignment. She was then rescheduled to 2nd on court 2 which I thought was wrong and could have been better decided, but the original intent was fine. Today she was on CC and she and Serena were originally scheduled to be 3rd on court 2, once again a fine assignment for doubles. Then you had a 2+ hour rain delay and a men's match that took 4 hours and backed up matches on that court and so the organizers most likely asked Venus and Serena did they want to be moved to a court that would be available quicker and they accepted. If Hewitt had lost the second set of his match the Sisters might still be out their now playing if the original court assignments and schedule had been kept.

The event can't afford to get any further behind so it was best that they got their match in no matter what court it was on. You have to remember they are trying to cram a GS size event into 9 days. :help: Singles matches ALWAYS take precedent over doubles and the singles matches that had yet to be played got priority. Believe me NBC and the tour would have much preferred to have the Williams vs the Germans on in the last hour over Azarenka and MJMS or Huber/Raymond vs the Radwanskas, but the weather and getting matches in didn't allow it. NBC will air the WS in doubles as long as there isn't a top man or woman in action which is something almost no other doubles team receives. The Bryan brothers doubles match was also moved to a non televised court and Federers doubles match was cancelled.

The comparisons you made with Basketball and Tiger Woods don't exactly work because Basketball isn't affected by weather as easily as tennis plus matchups are scheduled months in advance, making televising big games just a function of coordination. In golf there are usually 30 to 40 players out on the court at the same time and there are camera's set up at ever hole. If this had been Wimbledon (the GS) court 12 would have been televised, but since the networks whose studios (ESPN) are situated right behind court 12 aren't there the cameras weren't there either. Venus and Serena's doubles match not being televised was a byproduct of the weather, the heavy load of singles matches being played, the small number of courts that are televised for Olympic coverage and the limited option of courts to put them on. There really was no better place to put them in order for them to get their match completed. This rain has really hamstrung the event and they are doing the best they can to get matches in. Organizers sometimes just have to just throw players out on any old court so that the event can finish on time. It is true that a very select few are immune from this in Singles like Federer and Nadal, but Djokovic and even Murray have had to play on 2nd and 3rd courts when the weather forced it. I agree with you though that tennis often fails to capitalize and make the most of it's stars, but today's doubles match was not one of those instances. :shrug:

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 31st, 2012, 10:02 PM
I'll tell you what was interesting.

Did you guys notice that Tsongas/Raonic took presidence over the Sharpaova match on center court on USA TV?





We wont know cos we have choice of 24 Olympic Channels, 3 were tennis :bounce:

T-rex
Jul 31st, 2012, 10:14 PM
We wont know cos we have choice of 24 Olympic Channels, 3 were tennis :bounce:


Wow! I am jealous! I wish I was there. In the USA we have one TV channel specifically for olympic tennis. And then a bunch of internet streams. And NBC doesn't even provide internet streams for every match.:fiery:

Lazyking
Jul 31st, 2012, 10:22 PM
Good post.

I'll tell you that's a story coming out of these olympic games. Has anybody missed any guy playing 5-sets in this tournament? I know I sure haven't.



The Tsongas contest today was close, exciting, well played, long........................................... AND IT WAS A 3 SET MATCH!

I think the case is rapidly closing on that debate.


Apparently NBC agrees with our assessment. Because the Tsongas match pushed our girl Sharapova right off the air.:lol:

The reason you didn't see much of Sharapova is because Tsonga's match went long...I think NBC wanted to go there.. they showed more points of her match then then they did Wozanaki's when I think they were showing Fed's doubles match..

I just think they made a buisness decision to stay with Tsonga because his match had turned into an epic. You can't just leave the longest olympic set ever in history.

T-rex
Jul 31st, 2012, 10:32 PM
The rain has severely messed up the original court assignments and broadcasting schedule. Venus was originally going to be second on court 1 on Sunday which would have been a fine court assignment. She was then rescheduled to 2nd on court 2 which I thought was wrong and could have been better decided, but the original intent was fine. Today she was on CC and she and Serena were originally scheduled to be 3rd on court 2, once again a fine assignment for doubles. Then you had a 2+ hour rain delay and a men's match that took 4 hours and backed up matches on that court and so the organizers most likely asked Venus and Serena did they want to be moved to a court that would be available quicker and they accepted. If Hewitt had lost the second set of his match the Sisters might still be out their now playing if the original court assignments and schedule had been kept.

The event can't afford to get any further behind so it was best that they got their match in no matter what court it was on. You have to remember they are trying to cram a GS size event into 9 days. :help: Singles matches ALWAYS take precedent over doubles and the singles matches that had yet to be played got priority. Believe me NBC and the tour would have much preferred to have the Williams vs the Germans on in the last hour over Azarenka and MJMS or Huber/Raymond vs the Radwanskas, but the weather and getting matches in didn't allow it. NBC will air the WS in doubles as long as there isn't a top man or woman in action which is something almost no other doubles team receives. The Bryan brothers doubles match was also moved to a non televised court and Federers doubles match was cancelled.

The comparisons you made with Basketball and Tiger Woods don't exactly work because Basketball isn't affected by weather as easily as tennis plus matchups are scheduled months in advance, making televising big games just a function of coordination. In golf there are usually 30 to 40 players out on the court at the same time and there are camera's set up at ever hole. If this had been Wimbledon (the GS) court 12 would have been televised, but since the networks whose studios (ESPN) are situated right behind court 12 aren't there the cameras weren't there either. Venus and Serena's doubles match not being televised was a byproduct of the weather, the heavy load of singles matches being played, the small number of courts that are televised for Olympic coverage and the limited option of courts to put them on. There really was no better place to put them in order for them to get their match completed. This rain has really hamstrung the event and they are doing the best they can to get matches in. Organizers sometimes just have to just throw players out on any old court so that the event can finish on time. It is true that a very select few are immune from this in Singles like Federer and Nadal, but Djokovic and even Murray have had to play on 2nd and 3rd courts when the weather forced it. I agree with you though that tennis often fails to capitalize and make the most of it's stars, but today's doubles match was not one of those instances. :shrug:


Good post. :worship::worship::worship:


In all honestly I wish I had more insight as to how these decisions were made.

On NBC sports today, they literally had to provide an explanation and apology to their audience as to why the Williams sisters were not on. Clearly they weren't happy. As you are aware, this topic is in heavy rotation on this board for many events. Not just the Olympics. And it seems like the WTA never gets it right. As I have written many times, yesterday they put Wozi on cc. And in doing so literally wiped out any chance they had at getting on TV for the entire afternoon. Racism aside, that's just poor planning and not knowing market dynamics.


I concede that there are scheduling and weather difficulties. But to not have the Williams sisters on a court where they even have a TV camera is in-excusable, and yet another missed opportunity. And other sports leagues don't make these kinds of mistakes, over and over again. Your post is fantastic. Yes, I read all of it. I appreciate your insight. But clearly, even with yet another ready made excuse, this is a situation that could have been handled differently. I wonder how many people turned the channel and walked away today, because once again, we failed to put our best and most marketable product on center stage.


Good discussion!:wavey:

T-rex
Jul 31st, 2012, 10:49 PM
The reason you didn't see much of Sharapova is because Tsonga's match went long...I think NBC wanted to go there.. they showed more points of her match then then they did Wozanaki's when I think they were showing Fed's doubles match..

I just think they made a buisness decision to stay with Tsonga because his match had turned into an epic. You can't just leave the longest olympic set ever in history.


Good call.:worship:


But I watch this stuff closely. NBC decided to stay with the Tsonga match long before it became an epic. Perhaps they were hoping for it to end and it just went long. But I would have thought before today, that they would have switched right to Sharapova. Especially after hyping the match all day long. Remember, they could have shown us the Sharapova match with live cut ins to the Tsonga match just as easy as vice-versa.

Lets not forget, this is the Olympics. The ATP matchup was a Frenchman vs a Canadian. It could be argued that the USA has a better link to Sharapova, in that she lives here and is all but American, until tournament time comes around and she magically rediscovers her Russian roots.:lol:

I thought NBC made a telling statement today. Even with Sharapova on CC at Wimbledon, and before a very hot crowd in what was a very good match, they still opted for the ATP and Tsonga. I guess NBC has the same TV ratings data I have with regard to Sharapova.

And with regard to Wozniacki, I think NBC would show the grass growing on Heneman's Hill before they would show her match. Did you see the coverage yesterday? At one point, NBC was literally skipping from doubles court to doubles court looking for anything to show except the marquee matchup at center court. The were avoiding Wozniacki so much, I thought they were going to go "live" to me in my living room posting on the tennis forum..... before going to her match.:lol:

NBC has given us all quite an education the last 2 days in terms of what their vast marketing is telling them.

Lazyking
Jul 31st, 2012, 10:55 PM
They were cutting in a bit with Sharapova because I think when it started Tsonga match could swing and end in three sets but it didn't and then Maria's time got less and less to the point we only saw a few points til the end.

Woz will get even less time with the Willams sisters playing opposite tomorrow. if she gets more then 2 mins, I'll be shocked.

T-rex
Jul 31st, 2012, 11:45 PM
They were cutting in a bit with Sharapova because I think when it started Tsonga match could swing and end in three sets but it didn't and then Maria's time got less and less to the point we only saw a few points til the end.

Woz will get even less time with the Willams sisters playing opposite tomorrow. if she gets more then 2 mins, I'll be shocked.



I don't think we will see any of Wozi/Dani tomorrow. I am going to have to count on the web streams for that one:lol:. The way NBC has been handling these matches so far has been very educational.