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CWTennis
Oct 3rd, 2012, 10:55 AM
Tomorrow Caro plays 3rd match on Lotus court
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Jimmie48
Oct 3rd, 2012, 02:35 PM
I understand why Li is on CC but why Sharapova was put there is beyond me. Caro vs. Kerber is by far the more interesting match...but none of them sell candy, so that may be it..

TennisFan66
Oct 3rd, 2012, 03:28 PM
I understand why Li is on CC but why Sharapova was put there is beyond me. Caro vs. Kerber is by far the more interesting match...but none of them sell candy, so that may be it..

Tall and blonde. Chinese men are crazy about that. Or maybe they like the noise. :shrug:

Anyhoo, 3rd match up .. Play starts 6:30 AM ... ATP 2.5 hr. Vika 1.5 hr = Kerber - Caro about 10:30 AM CEST

Chrissie-fan
Oct 3rd, 2012, 06:27 PM
I understand why Li is on CC but why Sharapova was put there is beyond me.
Because judging from the reaction of the crowd they love her over there.

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 08:02 AM
Vika wins the first 6-3, she's playing rather sloppy but there's little chance that this turns into a three-setter. Caro should be up in 40-50 minutes.

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 08:28 AM
Good Luck Caro! :)


Nu er det tid at give den Fuld gas! :cheer:

CWTennis
Oct 4th, 2012, 08:46 AM
Good luck Caro! :cheer:

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 08:47 AM
Vika wins 3 & 3, Caro next.

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 08:52 AM
Come on Caro, please don't lose this.

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 08:58 AM
Good luck, Caro baby, but I am afraid this could be a beat down ... :unsure:

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:06 AM
Caro *30-30...

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:07 AM
Broken from 30-0 :(

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:08 AM
Well, Kerber isn't a big server so this dosen't mean much...right?

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:08 AM
30-0 up and a high bouncing mid court ball, but couldn't do enough with it and Kerber hits a direct winner .. went on to get broken ..

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:08 AM
Oh geez. Caro broken for 0-1 1st set from 30-0 up. :( Break Caro.

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:11 AM
*1-1... Breaks back! :)

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:11 AM
Well, Kerber isn't a big server so this dosen't mean much...right?

Guess not .. that was really sloppy from Kerber. 1-1

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:14 AM
Holding is overrated according to these two...

Broken with a DF.

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:15 AM
Triple break, 1-2.

CWTennis
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:15 AM
Caro's so useless on her serve!

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:16 AM
Caro's serve looks exceptional weak today .. eventually Kerber will get a hold and probably win the 1st set .. Caro is barely spinning those serves in, yet still manages to make double faults ..

DownInAHole
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:16 AM
Well, Kerber isn't a big server so this dosen't mean much...right?

Caroline can be pretty terrible at converting her break points so I think it does matter.

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:18 AM
She would be in deep trouble if Kerber actually had a serve, thankfully it's all puffy for now.

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:20 AM
Caro's serve looks exceptional weak today .. eventually Kerber will get a hold and probably win the 1st set .. Caro is barely spinning those serves in, yet still manages to make double faults ..
Caro's only getting in 36% of her 1st serves through her 1st 2 service games. :rolleyes: Caro is winning 1/4 points on her 1st serve and 2/7 points (1 double fault) so far. :rolleyes:

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:21 AM
error after error in match... :o

DownInAHole
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:22 AM
She would be in deep trouble if Kerber actually had a serve, thankfully it's all puffy for now.

Even if Kerber is as bad as server as you say Caroline is arguably as bad or worse. The difference is that Kerber has a better offensive game, she can actually hit and go for winners. Caroline is going to have to play much better today than she has in the first two rounds to even have a hope of winning this.

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:22 AM
40-40* 2 bps wasted... :(

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:23 AM
bp Caro after 4 more ues...

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:24 AM
1-3

She better hold now or we might as well kiss that first set goodbye *sigh*

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:24 AM
Kerber 3-1 after 2 returns missed...

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:24 AM
Sigh. Why is Caro so allergic to taking her chances? :(

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:25 AM
1-3, despite 3 BPs. Two of them were Ws from AK but the second one was a frame shot from Caro.

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:26 AM
What the heck are you going Caro? :(

Spin your 1st serve in now.

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:26 AM
0-40

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:27 AM
Brillant AK defense despite good Caro offense.

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:27 AM
1-4

Broken to love..I'm getting a Stuttgart flashback here...

Novichok
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:27 AM
1-4. Not looking good at all.

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:27 AM
There goes that 1. set :(

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:27 AM
1-4. Caro broken 3/3.

CWTennis
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:28 AM
and this is improved serve :rolleyes: she had a decent serve, now it's useless just like her forehand :o

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:28 AM
That was easy money .. 38 (now risk free) ticks in a matter of a few games by backing Kerber. Goes to show the opening 1.6 was way too high.

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:29 AM
Caro broken for 1-4 at love on a 2nd serve. :rolleyes: Break Caro.

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:31 AM
1-5

We should consider ourselves lucky that she can't make the YEC... that would be a devastating experience, she just ins't Top 8 material right now.

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:32 AM
1-5. Caro tries but her hard shots are a few inches too long. Please manage a hold this set!

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:33 AM
Through 3 service games Caro has gotten in only 33% of her 1st serves. :rolleyes: Caro is winning 1/5 points on her 1st serve and 2/10 points on her 2nd serve (2 double faults). :rolleyes: Embarassing stats.

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:33 AM
Kerber 5-1 30-0*

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:33 AM
Kerber holds for 5-1 1st set despite only one 1st serve. :( Hold Caro.

CWTennis
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:34 AM
she just ins't Top 8 material right now.
she is not even top 30 material right now! :rolleyes:

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:34 AM
2 sps... Its all Ues from Caro :sad:

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:35 AM
1-6

Awful.

KleineBiere
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:35 AM
:help:

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:35 AM
The expected beat down .. whatever

Novichok
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:35 AM
1-6.

DownInAHole
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:36 AM
Break points:

Kerber 4/5
Wozniacki 1/5

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:36 AM
1-6. Broken all 4 serve games. I hope she won't copy JJ's 8 in a row!

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:36 AM
Through 3 service games Caro has gotten in only 33% of her 1st serves. :rolleyes: Caro is winning 1/5 points on her 1st serve and 2/10 points on her 2nd serve (2 double faults). :rolleyes: Embarassing stats.

That must be because she's really going for them ... Oh wait .. :sad:

DownInAHole
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:37 AM
she is not even top 30 material right now! :rolleyes:

That's too harsh. She is ranked right where she ought to be.

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:38 AM
Disgusted. :( Caro broken for 1-6 1st set at 30-40 from 0-30 to 15-30 to 15-40 (2nd serve). :( Win it in 3 Caro. The match is 32 minutes long.

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:39 AM
That 2nd point in 1st game of 2nd set shows Caro's problem. Initially a great BH return taking Kerber well out of the court. Kerber returns CC and Caro has a whole open court DTL .. but too timid to go for it and hits it back to a running-back-into-court Kerber .. just frustrating to watch.

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:40 AM
That's too harsh. She is ranked right where she ought to be.
Baloney. Caro is the only player in the top 15 that Kerber has given a beatdown to this year. :(

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:40 AM
Completely outplayed.

I don't know why I'm even surprised, if you look at the monster effort it took her to get past two scrubs, this isn't really a surprise.

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:42 AM
Sigh. Kerber holds for 1-0 2nd set from 0-30 2nd serve down. :( Hold Caro.

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:42 AM
So how many winners and unforced errors for both players? Thanks. :)

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:43 AM
A hold, finally.

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:44 AM
1-1*

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:44 AM
A HOLD, Ladies and Gentlemen ... Let's crack open that Champagne bottle :)

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:44 AM
First Caro hold, 1-1.

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:44 AM
So how many winners and unforced errors for both players? Thanks. :)

3/13 for Caro .. I think Kerber was something like 12/9 ..

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:45 AM
A HOLD, Ladies and Gentlemen ... Let's crack open that Champagne bottle :)

You`re buying since you make a fortune off this :)

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:46 AM
Lucky netcord.

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:46 AM
That 2nd point in 1st game of 2nd set shows Caro's problem. Initially a great BH return taking Kerber well out of the court. Kerber returns CC and Caro has a whole open court DTL .. but too timid to go for it and hits it back to a running-back-into-court Kerber .. just frustrating to watch.
Shouldn't Caro be playing freer given her big escape in the previous round? That's what a lot of players do. Plus she's the underdog. Sigh. :shrug:

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:46 AM
bp Caro! take one!

PMBH
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:46 AM
Well played, Caro. 30-40.

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:46 AM
BP for Caro .. can she do better than the 3 she had to level 2 all in 1st ? .. *fingers crossed*

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:47 AM
*2-1 Gift from Kerber... :)

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:47 AM
2-1 a mix of luck and Kerber making more errors.

We`ve seen that in their past two matches, mid-match Kerber can slip into a sloppy phase only to come back even stronger a few games later.

I lack the imagination to see her win this to be honest.

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:47 AM
Lucky break, 2-1.

DownInAHole
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:48 AM
Baloney. Caro is the only player in the top 15 that Kerber has given a beatdown to this year. :(

I have no problem being critical of her game but it is flat out wrong to suggest that Caroline is not good enough to be a top thirty player. All of the points on her current ranking she earned. She has been playing at this level for over a year now, this is her new level. There is nothing left on her ranking from when she was at her best. Do you honestly believe that the players ranked from twelfth-thirtieth are better than Caroline? If so why are they ranked below her?

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:48 AM
You`re buying since you make a fortune off this :)

I'll happily sacrifice my potential win, if Caro can turn it around .. as I don't have any risk longer.

PMBH
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:48 AM
Caro playing deeper = Kerber making more errors

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:50 AM
I have no problem being critical of her game but it is flat out wrong to suggest that Caroline is not good enough to be a top thirty player. All of the points on her current ranking she earned. She has been playing at this level for over a year now, this is her new level. There is nothing left on her ranking from when she was at her best. Do you honestly believe that the players ranked from twelfth-thirtieth are better than Caroline? If so why are they ranked below her?

Caroline's lucky that the Top 20 is rather weak right now, looking at some players in there. Some players like Petkovic are missing as well.

She's probably ranked where she should be, the problem is that the gap to the Top 6-8 in terms of quality is massive right now.

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:50 AM
Missed to wins it on that smash will give AK the confidence back :(

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:51 AM
There really isn't any room for Caro's middle of the road way any longer. She HAS to go for every single shot, as that's how all the other girls are playing. No-one plays with a safety net. Live and die by your shots.

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:51 AM
Kerber bashing balls now... again, we`ve seen this before, she will recover later.

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:52 AM
From 0-40 , 40-40 ace adv. Hold On Caro!

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:52 AM
40-0 is meaningless against Wozniacki!

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:52 AM
3-1 with an ace...where's that coming from? :)

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:52 AM
Where the f-word did that come from ? 0-40 ... last two points were aces!!

Blu€
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:53 AM
:lol: at that GOAT serving all of the sudden! Keep it going Caro! :)

PMBH
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:53 AM
Ol' school Caro! From 0-40 to game!

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:53 AM
"Clever play" the commentator says with surprise in his voice!

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:54 AM
4-1

Kerber visibly knocked now...don't let her back into the set!

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:55 AM
Break, 4-1. Four games in a row!

PMBH
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:55 AM
4-1. Caro playing much better and forcing Kerber to hepas of UEs. But can she keep it up?

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:55 AM
She has to win at least a set here with that lead..come on!

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:56 AM
40-0 is meaningless against Wozniacki!

You got it in first :) ... but nice to be able to say 'against' rather than 'for' for once ..

4-1 and a double break. You CANNOT lose this set, Caro.

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:57 AM
I have no problem being critical of her game but it is flat out wrong to suggest that Caroline is not good enough to be a top thirty player. All of the points on her current ranking she earned. She has been playing at this level for over a year now, this is her new level. There is nothing left on her ranking from when she was at her best. Do you honestly believe that the players ranked from twelfth-thirtieth are better than Caroline? If so why are they ranked below her?
Top 30? I don't know why but I thought you were referring to her current ranking of 11. Oops. :p

I do think she should be in the top 30 but not ranked 11. Maybe a ranking of 15? I dunno.

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:58 AM
Can she hold for 5-1 we has a match! Come On Caro!

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:58 AM
Error after error from Kerber..

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:58 AM
5-1 :)

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:59 AM
5-1!

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:59 AM
Angelique Kerber has left the building ...

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:59 AM
Kerber's sloppy play indicates she has given up this set.

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:00 AM
Wow, Kerber completely imploding.

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:02 AM
Kerber's "sloppy play" saves 3 sps :(

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:02 AM
5-2

Shit, I think Kerber's coming back..

DownInAHole
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:02 AM
Top 30? I don't know why but I thought you were referring to her current ranking of 11. Oops. :p

I do think she should be in the top 30 but not ranked 11. Maybe a ranking of 15? I dunno.

If you go back and check you will see that the post I quoted claimed that Caroline was not deserving of being in the top thirty. That is what I was responding to and disagreeing with.

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:02 AM
1-5 and 0-40, Kerber decided to play again? ... this is bizarre.

40-0 is meaningless for Wozniacki :(

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:04 AM
*5-2 15-0. Now Hold On Caro!

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:04 AM
Kerber's "sloppy play" saves 3 sps :(

When AK is in her indifferent mode, she easily switches from big UEs to big Ws.

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:05 AM
ace and good serve 3 more sps...

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:06 AM
Set Caro! :)

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:06 AM
Phew ...

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:06 AM
6-2

Crunch time now, I expect Kerber to come back a lot stronger now.

PMBH
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:06 AM
6-2. Kerber's backhand is checking out as usual when she's getting tight. Keep the pressure on, Caro!

Blu€
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:06 AM
Let's hope she keeps serving so well! It would be nice to start the 3rd set with a break :)

DownInAHole
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:07 AM
Wow, maybe I am a bad fan but I really didn't believe that Caroline had any chance of forcing a third set. Still, I just don't think she is good enough at the moment to win this. She is going to need to rely on Kerber playing poorly, if Angelique raises her level I don't think Caroline is capable of staying in the match.

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:07 AM
Each have played a good and a sloppy set. Who will rise and who will fall in the decider?

NB: Caro hasn't lost a match in which she won a set since Montreal.
NB2: She hasn't lost a match in which she won set 2 since Eastbourne.

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:11 AM
Great game, disappointing end.

0-1

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:11 AM
Low class Chinese screaming OUT just as Caro is about to hit that swing volley ... peasants.

Blu€
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:12 AM
She plays great and she loses both points :(

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:12 AM
0-1. Good buildups but not sharp enough when time to finish.

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:12 AM
Its good play by Caro, but these smashes not won :help:

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:13 AM
Caro holds for 6-2 2nd set at 40-15 from 40-0 (2nd serve there). :) Stay focused Caro. The match is 1 hour 3 minutes long.

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:13 AM
Anyhoo, looks like the point to 40-30 in 1st game was a wake-up call for Kerber, coz now she's firing again ...

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:14 AM
So how many winners and unforced errors for both players in the 2nd set? Thanks. :)

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:17 AM
what the fuck???? :(

Blu€
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:17 AM
How can you miss that :sad:

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:17 AM
how the FOK can you miss that Caro ..

DownInAHole
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:17 AM
Caroline's skills at the net are...lacking.

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:17 AM
You did NOT do that, Caro!!!???

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:18 AM
40-40.... But that was :o

DownInAHole
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:18 AM
So how many winners and unforced errors for both players in the 2nd set? Thanks. :)

Caroline was 8/4
I think Kerber was 12/13

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:19 AM
1-1! was good play now!

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:20 AM
Phew ... 1-1 ...

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:20 AM
Phew, hold. If Caro had been broken after THAT error, it would have been unbearable.
I'm hoping for a repeat of the result in Tokyo 10 final.

Blu€
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:21 AM
Despite those stupid misses and not being able to finish some points, she's having patches of good tennis.

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:23 AM
I still think Caro will lose the match, but I am encouraged that she's playing more of her shots now. I'd rather see her go down fighting going for it than be a timid little girl, who's blown off court.

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:26 AM
That is just so stupid play ... FFS .. 30-15 instead of 40-0

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:26 AM
2-2* after good serves... :)

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:28 AM
30-15* on df. Try break here Caro!

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:28 AM
I think for the first time ever, Caro's actually in Kerber's head.

Blu€
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:30 AM
Stupid mistakes on return there, a shame. Let's see if her serve holds up.

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:30 AM
I think for the first time ever, Caro's actually in Kerber's head.

Un-jinx ..

DownInAHole
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:31 AM
I just don't see Caroline continuing to hold, eventually she will almost certainly be broken.

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:31 AM
Don't throw it away now...

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:33 AM
Piotr applauding. He likes 'aggressor' Caro too :)

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:34 AM
3-3* from 0-30...

Blu€
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:34 AM
Good hold, after getting down 0-30 with a DF.

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:34 AM
Caro's serve is worth something atm.

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:35 AM
it's actually a really good match now..

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:36 AM
I just don't see Caroline continuing to hold, eventually she will almost certainly be broken.

Me neither, but I am taking encouragement in the fact, Caro has played better in 2nd and up until now, also 3rd set.

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:38 AM
*3-4 15-0 Hold On Caro!

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:39 AM
Lucky we take it! :)

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:39 AM
Lucky double netcord!

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:40 AM
Kerber just needing one break and a hold and the match is hers ... 15 all .. ball bouncing on the net - twice, but just makes it over onto Kerber's half .. Double 'phew' ...

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:41 AM
4-4 on winner! Kom Så Caro!

Blu€
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:41 AM
The backhand :hearts:, break please!

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:41 AM
Both are serving well this set, only 1 BP in 8 games.

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:43 AM
For once Caro went DTL where she should've gone CC.

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:45 AM
Okay, this is a situation where Caro would typically crumble...please don't!

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:45 AM
You fokking got to be kidding me ... 3rd set. 4-4, 30 all returning on a weak 2nd serve. Only just gets the return in and then nets the 2nd shot ... That's mental fragile mentality :( ..

CWTennis
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:45 AM
oh my, such a silly mistakes on important points!

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:45 AM
4-5. Caro had an opening at 30-30 and a weak 2nd serve.
Caro serving to stay in the match. You need some good 1st serves now, girl!

Blu€
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:45 AM
Caro really gifted Angie that game :( she had her, should have gone for it on the 2nd serve return.

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:46 AM
Now Hold On Caro!

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:46 AM
6-1, 2-6, 6-4 ...

goldenlox
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:48 AM
This is because she left the style that worked for her.
Since then, her decisions arent good. Its been all year.
The rest of this is mental. But I expect it to take a while until she gets back to being confident, if ever

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:48 AM
Oh dear, unlucky.

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:49 AM
Bad luck netcord.

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:49 AM
Well, Caro had the luck on the double net bouncer ... two points from match for Kerber.

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:49 AM
Mp..

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:51 AM
6-1, 2-6, 6-4 ...

Spot on.

She should have never played such a weak first set... ugh.

Jorn
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:51 AM
Atleast not a "beat down" as some expected, but the expected loss... :sad:

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:52 AM
She lost, but at least she went down fighting .. I feel it was inevitable Caro would lose, but at least Caro wasn't terrible ..

Blu€
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:52 AM
Shame, she went for it, could have easily gone in. :sad:

CWTennis
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:54 AM
well at least she fought :sad:

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:54 AM
Oh geez. Caro broken for 4-6 3rd set at 30-40 from 15-30 to 30-30 on a 2nd serve. :( The match was 1 hour 47 minutes long.

Enjoy being Kerber's bitch, Caro. :rolleyes:

C. W. Fields
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:55 AM
Well, goodbye YEC. But Caro put up a better fight than I expected the last two sets. If only she had broken in the first game of set 3 - where she controlled the decisive points - she might have won the match. It's also a slight encouragement that Caro had the courage to go for a winner on MP, unfortunately she was an inch off.

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:55 AM
Atleast not a "beat down" as some expected, but the expected loss... :sad:

That's true. If we forget about the beat down in set 1. Caro started playing better from 1-6, 2-1 and 0-40 .. still it had the air of inevitability about it. At least imho. But it was really good to see Caro making it a match.

If she can keep this play, I think there's a good chance, she can re-enter top 10 next year (not that it matters to seeding if you're 9 or 12).

Jimmie48
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:55 AM
Okay, we can officially put all those "maybe somehow..." dreams regarding the YEC to bed. She's not going, period.

I think it's for the better, she would just get her ass kicked anyways.

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:56 AM
Why the hell is it that Errani and Aga can beat Kerber but not Caro? :(

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:57 AM
Kerber got only 57% of her 1st serves in during the 3rd set but didn't face any break points and was only down 0-30 once. :rolleyes:

marineblue
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:57 AM
Aww, Caro. However, it was a good effort. Has she not rushed to finish off the point she might have avoided some of those errors.

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:58 AM
Why the hell is it that Errani and Aga can beat Kerber but not Caro? :(

Because they are both better than Caro? That's what the ranking would suggest at least ..

marineblue
Oct 4th, 2012, 10:58 AM
Why the hell is it that Errani and Aga can beat Kerber but not Caro? :(

Because they don't make that many UEs, I guess.

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 11:00 AM
So how many winners and unforced errors for both players? Thanks. :)

goldenlox
Oct 4th, 2012, 11:04 AM
She lost to Kerber at a mandatory, Stuttgart and Copenhagen final.
This sport is mental. If you leave what you do well, and try to make a career doing what you're not good at, what do you exect?
This is only possible result from what Caroline tried to do the past year.
She's not going to suddenly become a power player who nails power shots into the corners all match.
Thats never going to happen
But the bigger problem is that all the losing affects your confidence, and she doesnt believe in herself anymore. Thats why her only finals are the smallest tournaments, filled with nonbelieving players

Blu€
Oct 4th, 2012, 11:06 AM
Because they are both better than Caro? That's what the ranking would suggest at least ..

Not really, Venus pummels Errani every time and look where she's ranked.

The big difference is pace, Caro plays with more pace than Aga and Errani, and Kerber struggles a lot against players who play without pace. She likes to use the other players pace to counterpunch.

Chrissie-fan
Oct 4th, 2012, 11:23 AM
I think that leaving aside that awful first set Caroline played a good match. I think this is the type of tennis she needs to play. Just putting the ball in play and hoping that her opponent will fuck up isn't gonna cut it anymore, at least not against the top players. Too bad that she lost which might her having second thoughts about this more agressive approach, but otherwise Kerber might have won 6-1/6-3 or something like that. That she won't make the YEC was pretty much a foregone conclusion since Caro not only would have needed to do brilliant, the other contenders would all also have to do poorly, which clearly is not happening.

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 11:30 AM
That's true. If we forget about the beat down in set 1. Caro started playing better from 1-6, 2-1 and 0-40 .. still it had the air of inevitability about it. At least imho. But it was really good to see Caro making it a match.

If she can keep this play, I think there's a good chance, she can re-enter top 10 next year (not that it matters to seeding if you're 9 or 12).
I dunno. Maybe it's crazy talk but I kind of thought that if Caro could get up a break in the 3rd set that she was gonna win the match.

Yah, it's good that she put up a fight after that 1st set.

DownInAHole
Oct 4th, 2012, 11:39 AM
So how many winners and unforced errors for both players? Thanks. :)

I think this is correct:

Caroline 18-31
Angelique 39-34

I think that really shows the difference between the two of them. Angelique had three more unforced errors but twenty-one more winners, it is hard to lose with that kind of ratio. She can defend great but she is also capable of good offense, right now Caroline struggles with both offense and defence, that makes players like Kerber extremely tough opponents.

TennisFan66
Oct 4th, 2012, 11:47 AM
I dunno. Maybe it's crazy talk but I kind of thought that if Caro could get up a break in the 3rd set that she was gonna win the match.

Yah, it's good that she put up a fight after that 1st set.

Judging from the way Kerber appeared to just give up in 2nd set, a break and a consolidation would say, you're right.

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 12:03 PM
Not really, Venus pummels Errani every time and look where she's ranked.

The big difference is pace, Caro plays with more pace than Aga and Errani, and Kerber struggles a lot against players who play without pace. She likes to use the other players pace to counterpunch.
It's not like Caro's hits as big the aggressive big hitting types though.

Speaking of Caro's pace of shot, has she ever gone back to the extra pace she had during the grass season?

Chrissie-fan
Oct 4th, 2012, 12:11 PM
I think this is correct:

Caroline 18-31
Angelique 39-34

I think that really shows the difference between the two of them. Angelique had three more unforced errors but twenty-one more winners, it is hard to lose with that kind of ratio. She can defend great but she is also capable of good offense, right now Caroline struggles with both offense and defence, that makes players like Kerber extremely tough opponents.
Yeah, but I wonder what those stats look like without that first set when Caroline just wasn't there.

manixdk
Oct 4th, 2012, 12:13 PM
I didn't see anything inevitable about this loss at all. I knew she would have a tough time of it in the first set because she just couldn't get her serve giong. She's very reliant on it now. When she did get it going, the matched changed. The third set could really have gone either way, and that "fan" who screamed out just as Caro was hitting the volley should have been dragged out of the stadium and pilloried. Maybe she was. The third set was a cliffhanger, and if that backhand down the line stays in, she could have won it. Lots of very positive things to take from the match. Good on Caro. I loved the way she got her forehand going, including some nice sitting forehands. I think the loss boosts her confidence. If she cuts down on a couple of those short crappy rally shots she still hits on her forehand, we'll really see a difference.

And the loss to Kerber in Cph was nothing. She played on a sprained ankle for half the third set. That was phhttt match.

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 12:20 PM
Yeah, but I wonder what those stats look like without that first set when Caroline just wasn't there.
By my calculation from the numbers given in this thread, Caro had 15 winners 18 unforced errors in the 2nd & 3rd set combined. Kerber had 27 winners 25 unforced errors in the 2nd & 3rd set combined and 27 winners 21 unforced errors in the 1st & 3rd set combined.

manixdk
Oct 4th, 2012, 12:34 PM
Right, Caro was 3/13 in the first set. As soon as she got her serve going, things picked up.

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 12:57 PM
I didn't see anything inevitable about this loss at all. I knew she would have a tough time of it in the first set because she just couldn't get her serve giong. She's very reliant on it now. When she did get it going, the matched changed. The third set could really have gone either way, and that "fan" who screamed out just as Caro was hitting the volley should have been dragged out of the stadium and pilloried. Maybe she was. The third set was a cliffhanger, and if that backhand down the line stays in, she could have won it. Lots of very positive things to take from the match. Good on Caro. I loved the way she got her forehand going, including some nice sitting forehands. I think the loss boosts her confidence. If she cuts down on a couple of those short crappy rally shots she still hits on her forehand, we'll really see a difference.

And the loss to Kerber in Cph was nothing. She played on a sprained ankle for half the third set. That was phhttt match.
Why is Caro serve reliant these days?

Caro had chances to win both sets against Kerber in Copenhagen this year.

Blu€
Oct 4th, 2012, 12:59 PM
It's not like Caro's hits as big the aggressive big hitting types though.

Yes but she still hits stronger than those two and she often puts a lot of weight on her backhand shot which helps Kerber. Also Caro hits her serve with more power, I remember watching Angie against Errani at the US and she was netting the easiest returns ever, not once but a lot of times.

The good news from today, is that despite that first set, once Caro stepped up her serve, she was back in it with ease. She just needs to go for it on 2nd serve returns more often and not step back when she's leading the rally.

DownInAHole
Oct 4th, 2012, 03:31 PM
Yeah, but I wonder what those stats look like without that first set when Caroline just wasn't there.

Sure but you could make the same argument for Kerber in the second set.

Protoss
Oct 4th, 2012, 05:22 PM
I think this is correct:

Caroline 18-31
Angelique 39-34

I think that really shows the difference between the two of them. Angelique had three more unforced errors but twenty-one more winners, it is hard to lose with that kind of ratio. She can defend great but she is also capable of good offense, right now Caroline struggles with both offense and defence, that makes players like Kerber extremely tough opponents.
I suppose there's progress in that Caro had 82% of the amount of forced points (winners and forced errors combined) in this match compared to 55% in their Copenhagen match earlier in the year.

Caro actually had almost as many winners as Kim in their 2010 YEC match.

Caro struggling against good defenders isn't new though. She didn't beat JJ until 2011 (she was 0-4) although I think she could have done it in 2010 (likely in fall 2010 if they had played then, maybe in Indian Wells earlier in the year if it wasn't a final). She lost to Peer in Dubai in 2010.

terjw
Oct 4th, 2012, 07:22 PM
By my calculation from the numbers given in this thread, Caro had 15 winners 18 unforced errors in the 2nd & 3rd set combined. Kerber had 27 winners 25 unforced errors in the 2nd & 3rd set combined and 27 winners 21 unforced errors in the 1st & 3rd set combined.

That's interesting that Kerber's stats in 1st and 3rd set are very similar to her stats in the 2nd and 3rd set and yet she had a much better 1st set than 2nd set. Caro's stats are of course very different. A horror show in the 1st set and thereafter much better. It would tend to imply that the difference was all down to Caro upping her level and that Kerber's level didn't change much in the three sets which isn't what I was getting from the LS comments..

Anyway - didn't see the match and I too thought beforehannd she would lose this one. But good to see that Caro made a real fight of this. If only she'd been a bit mentally stronger in the 3rd set and it sounds like she could have won.

sweetadri06
Oct 4th, 2012, 07:36 PM
Caro played about as well as she could. Glad to see she put up a fight in the end. She should just play Sofia, great chance for that title, and then call it a season. No point in fighting for an alt spot(IMO), you are just hoping someone gets injured/pulls out. To be honest i could care less about Turkish Airlines. lol

marineblue
Oct 4th, 2012, 08:19 PM
Caro played about as well as she could. Glad to see she put up a fight in the end. She should just play Sofia, great chance for that title, and then call it a season. No point in fighting for an alt spot(IMO), you are just hoping someone gets injured/pulls out. To be honest i could care less about Turkish Airlines. lol

Well, you don't have a contract with them. She does.:lol:

manixdk
Oct 4th, 2012, 09:28 PM
Why is Caro serve reliant these days?

Caro had chances to win both sets against Kerber in Copenhagen this year.

When her serve's not working, she has to hit more 2nd serves. And while her 2nd serve is greatly improved, it still means that she's more on the defensive from the get go, and it seems to affect the rest of her play. When her serve is on, she gets easier 2nd shots and you can clearly see her move up the court and put pressure on her opponent. It seems to put her into a more aggressive frame of mind.

These are things she can work on.

Jorn
Oct 16th, 2012, 05:02 PM
Wednesday on CC:

Not Before 6:30 PM

1 [Q] Edouard Roger-Vasselin (FRA) vs. [WC] Evgeny Donskoy (RUS)
2 [WC/3] Caroline Wozniacki (DEN) vs. Urszula Radwanska (POL)


So likely shown on ES :)

C. W. Fields
Oct 16th, 2012, 07:28 PM
Caro should win in straight sets, dropping 8 games.

Jorn
Oct 17th, 2012, 01:45 AM
Ula has improved much, its gonna be a tough match!

Jorn
Oct 17th, 2012, 03:53 PM
Good Luck Caro! :)



Not so long before the Start now... LIVE on ES.

C. W. Fields
Oct 17th, 2012, 04:22 PM
The match before Caro's is going to the decider, so probably another hour before our girl is on.

CWTennis
Oct 17th, 2012, 04:55 PM
Good luck Caro! :cheer:

Chrissie-fan
Oct 17th, 2012, 04:57 PM
Let's kick some ass Caroline! :bounce::bounce:

TennisFan66
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:11 PM
Finally ... Good luck, Karolina :) ... No idea what to expect lol

marineblue
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:12 PM
A win,please:):bounce:

Jorn
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:21 PM
Her ''dress'' :help: ;)

TennisFan66
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:23 PM
Her ''dress'' :help: ;)

:lol: I thought about making a comment about that outfit too, but ...

It's a grey top, which looks ok, but that black, white, pink skirt is just ... weird look. IMH straight male opinion. But what do I know about fashion.

C. W. Fields
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:26 PM
Black shoes

Jorn
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:26 PM
*30-0 Ula with 2 Ues....

Jorn
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:28 PM
1-0*

TennisFan66
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:29 PM
Good passing shot to win the game, but FH dropping a bit short ... 1-0 .. hold.

Noticed the new necklace? .. Rory might have been out shopping ;)

Jorn
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:29 PM
It will be a good match... :) i hope!

Jorn
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:32 PM
bp... Ue by Ula...

DownInAHole
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:33 PM
I just realised what Caroline's skirt reminds me of:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1IZADwJIl4o/TrMSG2R6C7I/AAAAAAAAABs/m2_iRGxFHVY/s1600/neapolitan.jpg

Jorn
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:33 PM
2-0 Lob on the line! :)

Protoss
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:35 PM
Is it just me or does Caro seem to start off a lot of her matches lately rarely getting her 1st serves in? :(

Jorn
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:36 PM
3 ues 3 bps... :(

DownInAHole
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:36 PM
The forehand looked bad in that game.

C. W. Fields
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:37 PM
4 FH UEs and broken, 2-1.

TennisFan66
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:38 PM
Gives the break back immediately ... a bit disappointing as she actually started well ..

Protoss
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:39 PM
I really don't understand why Caro's forehand remains atrocious. :(

Jorn
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:39 PM
was In... :)

Jorn
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:40 PM
Next winner on the line! bps...

Jorn
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:41 PM
*3-1...

Ue in the net from UR...

C. W. Fields
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:41 PM
Two winners on the line and 3rd break in 4 games, 3-1.

TennisFan66
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:42 PM
Looked a bit uncomfortable hitting the FH DTL winner, but effective it was!! 3-1 .. Now, let's try to hold.

TennisFan66
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:44 PM
Good stuff. 4-1

C. W. Fields
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:44 PM
Good hold, 4-1.

C. W. Fields
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:47 PM
I wonder when Ula figures out it's better to hit to Caro's FH when going to the net?

TennisFan66
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:49 PM
That was a goat get and superb placement. And correctly awarded the point imho. 5-1

C. W. Fields
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:49 PM
5-1, Ula has yet to hold serve.

marineblue
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:52 PM
Set one for Caroline. She's playing great! Even hitting winner from FH.:bounce:

C. W. Fields
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:52 PM
6-1, so no repeat of their usual pattern: Caro winning in straight sets, dropping 8 games.

Domi wins 2 & 3. She's Caro's next opponent, assuming.

TennisFan66
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:53 PM
Surprisingly easy .. 6-1 .. It's a bit annoying, she still loses focus in her service games and lost one, but else I think, Caro has got the mix, between being solid and taking the chance when it's presented, right.

Protoss
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:53 PM
Caro holds for 6-1 at 40-30 from 30-0 to 30-30 (2nd serve there). :) Stay focused Caro. The match is 25 minutes 51 seconds long.

marineblue
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:53 PM
That has a potential to be a great match. But she needs to get this one done first. GL Caro.

DownInAHole
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:53 PM
I really don't understand why Caro's forehand remains atrocious. :(

She has all of those sponsor commitments to consider, when does she have the time to work on her tennis?

C. W. Fields
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:58 PM
Still no Ula hold, 1-0.

C. W. Fields
Oct 17th, 2012, 05:59 PM
Caro dared hit the short FHDTL, that's a sign of selfconfidence.

Protoss
Oct 17th, 2012, 06:04 PM
So how many winners and unforced errors for both players? Thanks. :)