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taloki
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:08 PM
3 points from the match!

Jorn
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:08 PM
15-15 Kam an Caro!

Jorn
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:09 PM
15-30....

TennisFan66
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:09 PM
This match has got me :help: :facepalm: :shout: :rolls: and :woohoo: all at the same time.

+ 1 ... I mean, what do you say to this sort of match? .. Some of the best moments so far have been when the camera has caught one of Piotr's expressions ..

Jorn
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:10 PM
Caro will has to serve it home! Hold On Caro!

Novichok
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:11 PM
:scared: Can she serve it out?

C. W. Fields
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:12 PM
Li holds to 15, 5-4. Caro serving for the match. Land some good 1st serves now, Caro! No repeat of set 2 from AO 11, please.

TennisFan66
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:12 PM
Crunch time. Big stage, against a top 10, serving for the match ...

C. W. Fields
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:13 PM
Sloooow 2nd serve, Caro's tight, I'm afraid.

C. W. Fields
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:13 PM
6th winner, 15-15.

Jorn
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:14 PM
She can't do it... :(

The Reff
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:14 PM
This match has got me :help: :facepalm: :shout: :rolls: and :woohoo: all at the same time.

not unusual for a Caro match :bounce: , :bigclap:and :cheer: has been less frequent of late though

Jorn
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:15 PM
1 saved! Kom an Caro!

TennisFan66
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:15 PM
That was some unbelievable defense, but unfortunately still a BP for Li.

C. W. Fields
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:15 PM
Great defense, 30-40.

The Reff
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:16 PM
Pleeeeeeeeease take the MP

Jorn
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:16 PM
mp! Take it Caro!

Jorn
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:17 PM
Caro :bigclap:

TennisFan66
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:17 PM
HAHA. How do you say 'thank you' in Chinese? ... but what a horror show.

Jimmie48
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:17 PM
Missed all of the 3rd...how the heck did she win this? :eek:

The Reff
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:17 PM
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss - horribly ugly win - BUT A WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Burisleif
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:18 PM
:clap2:

Long overdue win vs Li

Jorn
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:18 PM
6 - 40

32 - 76 Ues

TennisFan66
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:18 PM
6 / 32 Vs 40 / 76 ... :help:

The Reff
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:19 PM
W/UE 6/32 og 40/76

marineblue
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:19 PM
Glad to read these great news:bounce:.First top 10 win of the year.:hearts::cool: Aga next.

Novichok
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:20 PM
Missed all of the 3rd...how the heck did she win this? :eek:

Good defense with a lot of WTF errors from Li.

Protoss
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:20 PM
Whew. Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! Caro holds for 6-4 3rd set at Ad Caro from 15-40 to 40-40. :) Great job Caro. :) The match was 2 hours 31 minutes long.

Burisleif
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:22 PM
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss - horribly ugly win - BUT A WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahh, moments of defencive beauty in there, and clear evidence of that metronomically boring bombardment of the FH won't be the way to get it done from now on... :)

JadeFox
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:22 PM
6 / 32 Vs 40 / 76 ... :help:

I feel like going to GM and trolling with these stats.

"Maybe your faves need to hit winners to win a match but mine don't!" :nerner:

marineblue
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:22 PM
Good defense with a lot of WTF errors from Li.

Caroland saved her once again :lol:

C. W. Fields
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:23 PM
4-6, 6-3, 6-4. Not a pretty match but good fight by Caro. She never got her offensive game to work but her defense got better and better as the match progressed, the point at 15-40 in the last game being the best example. I'd almost call that a forced error from Li despite the last shot being a fairly easy one, objectively speaking. But when you've hit what seemed to be a winner about five times in a rally and the opponent still gets the ball back, it's no surprise you get a little frustrated in the end.

CWTennis
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:23 PM
I still can't understand how she won this one! :lol:

The Reff
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:24 PM
if you split the w/ue difference Li Na was -36 and Caro only - 26. The less shitfesting player won ....

Protoss
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:26 PM
W/UE 6/32 og 40/76
Such ugly numbers. :rolleyes:

I'll take the win any day though. :)

So how many winners and unforced errors for both players for the 2nd set? I didn't see those. Thanks. :)

Burisleif
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:26 PM
4-6, 6-3, 6-4. Not a pretty match but good fight by Caro. She never got her offensive game to work but her defense got better and better as the match progressed, the point at 15-40 in the last game being the best example. I'd almost call that a forced error from Li despite the last shot being a fairly easy one, objectively speaking. But when you've hit what seemed to be a winner about five times in a rally and the opponent still gets the ball back, it's no surprise you get a little frustrated in the end.

:lick: The defence was beauty to behold... Signs of old...

The Reff
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:27 PM
Ahh, moments of defencive beauty in there, and clear evidence of that metronomically boring bombardment of the FH won't be the way to get it done from now on... :)

Mostly in the 3rd though. I seriously hope your right about the FH issue :)

TennisFan66
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:27 PM
I feel like going to GM and trolling with these stats.

"Maybe your faves need to hit winners to win a match but mine don't!" :nerner:

:lol: I know. 6 winners. But of course the back drop is Li Na's style of play (if you can call it style). Some of Li's errors were above the best Monty Python has ever produced.

Problem was, Caro's own UES were more just plain UES, rather than because she went for her shots .. Whatever, she won, so like football fans, we should just celebrate.

The Reff
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:29 PM
Such ugly numbers. :rolleyes:

I'll take the win any day though. :)

So how many winners and unforced errors for both players for the 2nd set? I didn't see those. Thanks. :)

Caro was 1/9 cab't remember Li Na

TennisFan66
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:29 PM
Such ugly numbers. :rolleyes:

I'll take the win any day though. :)

So how many winners and unforced errors for both players for the 2nd set? I didn't see those. Thanks. :)

Li was something like 13 / 25, Caro was 1 / ? (9, I think) ...

Jimmie48
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:35 PM
I notice a sense of lacking enthusiasm here, I guess everyone's dumbfounded on how she pulled that off? :)

I was on the phone for all of the third, have to rewind it once Vika is done.

Burisleif
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:42 PM
I notice a sense of lacking enthusiasm here, I guess everyone's dumbfounded on how she pulled that off? :)

I was on the phone for all of the third, have to rewind it once Vika is done.

Not dumbfounded at all... Shoving Millstones is rarely going to be pretty, and yet there was beauty. :)

manixdk
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:48 PM
Caro always has problems against players like Gaidosova, Kvitova, Jovanovski, Li who can hit the ball all over the place. It's really difficult to keep a rhythm. You play 2-3 games where everything's going out, you relax a bit, then all of a sudden the shots start going in. It takes real concentration for almost the whole match. Very tough. Very good win for Caro against a player type she always has problems with. I'm looking forward to watching it, if my PVR has cooperated.

Jimmie48
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:48 PM
The roadmap to the final as tough as it gets, Radwanska next and Vika would be looming after that. If she can make that final that would be a strong statement, I doubt it though. These two won't give her nearly as much to work with as Li did.

manixdk
Sep 26th, 2012, 12:51 PM
I like this tweet from @CarosWrist "Losers count winners, and winners count wins."

Chrissie-fan
Sep 26th, 2012, 01:30 PM
A great old fashionned 'ugly' win by Caro. Her stats look awful, and so do those from Li. But Caroline's defense in that third set was 2010-like. To have won a tournament last week and to now back it up with three wins including one against a top ten player is huge for Caroline I think.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 26th, 2012, 01:35 PM
Ahh, moments of defencive beauty in there, and clear evidence of that metronomically boring bombardment of the FH won't be the way to get it done from now on... :)
I don't know. It was a very close match and the end result in this sort of match won't always be the same. Besides, if I were Li's (or anyone else's) coach my advice would still be, "go to the forehand as much as possible."

C. W. Fields
Sep 26th, 2012, 01:48 PM
Caro will play last match tomorrow, second last match starting no earlier than 5 pm local time/10 am CET. That's good, it gives her as much time to recover as possible.

The roadmap to the final as tough as it gets, Radwanska next and Vika would be looming after that. If she can make that final that would be a strong statement, I doubt it though. These two won't give her nearly as much to work with as Li did.

I agree Aga won't make as many errors as Li, but she won't apply the same kind of pressure, either, she doesn't have the power for that. I expect tomorrow's match to have more rhytm than today's, so Caro will have better chances to set up her agressive shots.

Burisleif
Sep 26th, 2012, 02:12 PM
I don't know. It was a very close match and the end result in this sort of match won't always be the same. Besides, if I were Li's (or anyone else's) coach my advice would still be, "go to the forehand as much as possible."

Please be Li's coach... :)

Chrissie-fan
Sep 26th, 2012, 02:15 PM
Please be Li's coach... :)
Well, if you prefer to go to Caroline's backhand, go ahead. :lol:

Burisleif
Sep 26th, 2012, 02:32 PM
Well, if you prefer to go to Caroline's backhand, go ahead. :lol:

That's where Li did the damage today... :) Before Yonnex, Caro's FH wasn't 'vulnerable' in the way it has been (it had depth, accuracy, and variety)... Today she showed speed on court and elements of her past ability to get shots back effectively and with variety... Not getting past the FH and causing damage with the BH was Caro's MO. Now we can also see more agresive choices from her FH then before, earning winners, and hopefully (as it stabilises) a far more unpredictable and effective wing. The BH remains the well disguised two way punch.

terjw
Sep 26th, 2012, 06:50 PM
Just seen the result. So pleased she beat Li Na. This is good. No time to read about it though. But now its the first of her bffs. Cmon Caro - keep the winning streak and make it to the other one.

CWTennis
Sep 27th, 2012, 09:30 AM
Azarenka has withdrawn, Sam won, Caro vs Aga next!

Jorn
Sep 27th, 2012, 09:39 AM
Good Luck Caro! :)

CWTennis
Sep 27th, 2012, 09:40 AM
Good luck Caro :cheer:

Jorn
Sep 27th, 2012, 09:42 AM
They already walk In.

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 09:43 AM
Good luck, KAROLINA :) ... Don't let me down, girl ;)

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 09:45 AM
Wind 44 kmh!
Now I can recognize Aga again, her shoulder is taped.

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 09:47 AM
The win yesterday, was Caroline's win of the year .. according to Simon Reed #socluelessithurts

Jorn
Sep 27th, 2012, 09:50 AM
Will we see BFF tennis in this match and the SF... :oh:

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 09:51 AM
Loooong rallies as expected.

Jorn
Sep 27th, 2012, 09:54 AM
ref Felix :o

Jorn
Sep 27th, 2012, 09:55 AM
Caro holds...

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 09:56 AM
Holds her opening serve :) Time for celebration ... but God, this looks like a long one, with the winner having the pleasure of playing well rested Kerber tomorrow ...

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 09:56 AM
Caro is serving better than yesterday, less nerves.

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 09:58 AM
I would love to have an "average rally length" stat, it must be close to 15 shots or something..

10 minutes to get to 1-1, Radwanska holds a little easier..

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 09:59 AM
Hmmm easy hold for Aga .. 1-1

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:00 AM
Caroline should have finished that point off a couple of times .. instead loses it on a long FH ... 0-15 #veryhardworkahead

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:06 AM
1-2

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:07 AM
Missed FH volley and broken, 1-2.

CWTennis
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:07 AM
Caro so passive and predictable, her shots looks so weak even from the backhand!

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:07 AM
2nd BP for Aga. The ES commentators says Aga is looking fatigued. Maybe we should hope so, coz frankly, and now the wrath of C.W.Fields will come down upon me, I don't see Caroline winning this match, unless something happens to Aga.

Caro is playing a slightly better version of herself. Caro cannot put the ball away, but Aga has the extra in her shots, when there's an opening.

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:09 AM
I don't think Radwanska is tired, if she was she would probably try to shorten the points more. She looks comfortable to grind this out so far...

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:10 AM
Sigh..

1-3

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:12 AM
1-3. Aga has the better working plan so far.

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:12 AM
I don't think Radwanska is tired, if she was she would probably try to shorten the points more. She looks comfortable to grind this out so far...

Agree. I don't see it either but of course neither of us are television 'experts' ... Simon Reed knows best ..

But if Aga is fatigued, may Caro has a chance, if somehow she can get the mach into a 3rd set?

Would leave her a sitting duck for Kerber tomorrow, but .. that's the way the scheduling is.

Protoss
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:13 AM
Caro so passive and predictable, her shots looks so weak even from the backhand!
I really don't understand that. Caro typically plays a lot more aggressive against Aga than someone like Li. For example, Caro had 22 winners through 2 sets in Sydney this year and 32 winners in 3 sets at the YEC last year.

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:15 AM
2-3. Some good points there.

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:18 AM
2nd BP for Aga. The ES commentators says Aga is looking fatigued. Maybe we should hope so, coz frankly, and now the wrath of C.W.Fields will come down upon me, I don't see Caroline winning this match, unless something happens to Aga.

Caro is playing a slightly better version of herself. Caro cannot put the ball away, but Aga has the extra in her shots, when there's an opening.

I just think it's weird you make a call so early in the match before they've found their rhytm and we know how they both at full capacity.

Protoss
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:18 AM
Stop letting aga get away with 2nd serves Caro. :(

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:19 AM
3-3

Radwanska getting rather error-prone now.

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:20 AM
Wow, Aga .. but Caro says 'thank you' .. in Polish :) ... Now serving the old balls to try to make it 4-3 .. Come on, Caroline!!

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:20 AM
A couple Aga errors and re-break, 3-3.

PMBH
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:21 AM
15-15. I think it looks promising.

PMBH
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:22 AM
Caro can play like this for hours and hours. Not sure Aga can go the distance.

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:23 AM
I just think it's weird you make a call so early in the match before they've found their rhytm and we know how they both at full capacity.

Making a call from the play, as I see, at any moment in time, is 'weird'? ... If that moment in time is the 1st game or the (what happens to be) last game, doesn't make any difference.

If Caro plays like sheit at the beginning, like she did yesterday, I said, 'She plays like sheit' .. You say 'She is nervous' ... but I think we agreed Caro played poorly.

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:24 AM
4-3

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:24 AM
Phew ... that's a good hold with the old balls. It may sound like a small thing, but in a match between two players with little power, the difference between old and new balls is large.

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:25 AM
Commentator thinks a long match will be to Caro's advantage because she has played fewer matches this season. I doubt that. This is Caro's 9th match in 9 days (3 of the last 5 going the distance) while it's just Aga's 3rd in 3 days (both previous matches being straight sets).

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:31 AM
ES keeps talking about Aga being tired. Aga cannot afford to lose 1st set. For Caro winning 1st set will just be a bonus ... We'll see. And now 2 mini SP for Aga.

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:31 AM
Making a call from the play, as I see, at any moment in time, is 'weird'? ... If that moment in time is the 1st game or the (what happens to be) last game, doesn't make any difference.

If Caro plays like sheit at the beginning, like she did yesterday, I said, 'She plays like sheit' .. You say 'She is nervous' ... but I think we agreed Caro played poorly.

Yes, I think it's a bit weird because it's quite common for a player to be somewhat nervous and rusty early in the match and then play better and better as she gets warm. If you want to make predictions after just a few games, theres a big chance of you being wrong, but if that doesn't bother you...

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:32 AM
DF in such a crucial game...sigh.

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:33 AM
DF and idiotic error to get broken..sigh

4-5

Edit: Didn't mean to double-post, forum's acting up.

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:33 AM
2 DFs and broken, 4-5. Caro gifted that game.

jasminefu623
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:34 AM
how can caro gift this important game to aga so easily?:o

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:34 AM
Well, I suppose that's one way of gifting your opponent a game and likely the set ...

CWTennis
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:34 AM
there won't be a long match, Caro will lose in 2 playing like this!

Protoss
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:35 AM
Wake the hell up Caro. :(

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:37 AM
That was so poor by Caroline, I just want to cry. 15-30 and numerous opportunities to do something ... *sighs* ...

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:40 AM
4-6

Blergh, Radwanska was rather poor at times but Caro is unable to take advantage.

CWTennis
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:41 AM
Caro's so clueless, I can't! :o

jasminefu623
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:41 AM
caro is just so "stupid" to gift that game away like this

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:42 AM
there won't be a long match, Caro will lose in 2 playing like this!

and Aga is not exactly impressive, but still too good for Caroline. Terrible set (and the way) to lose the set. :(

Noticed how on that 2nd SP, Caro's FHs were so short, they barely made it over the net. Even for Aga, it was impossible not to be aggressive and hit a winner :shrug:

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:43 AM
4-6. Aga wasn't great but she dared go to the net and finish the points. Caro had a short up period in the middle of the set but then her level dropped again. Caro can still win the match if she plays closer to her best but I don't know if she has the stamina for 3 long sets.

Protoss
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:43 AM
Geez. Aga holds for 6-4 1st set at Ad Aga from 15-30 to 40-30 to 40-40 (2nd serve). :( Win it in 3 Caro. The match is 51 minutes long.

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:45 AM
Broken after being 30-0 up.

Sorry, but this is simply not good enough to make the SF of a tournament like this one.

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:45 AM
Excellent. Already lost her service game again.

jasminefu623
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:45 AM
TBH, i think this one looks tired is caro

jasminefu623
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:46 AM
but the commentator is not fair, who keep saying aga is the one should be tired

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:46 AM
0-1. Two good points by Caro followed by 3 UEs.

Protoss
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:47 AM
So how many winners and unforced errors for both players? Thanks. :)

Protoss
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:48 AM
Seoul was such a freaking mirage. :rolleyes:

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:48 AM
0-2

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:49 AM
Well, Caroline cannot afford to lose another service game.

taloki
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:50 AM
So how many winners and unforced errors for both players? Thanks. :)

Aga 9/15, Caro 7/18

Go Caro.

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:52 AM
TBH, i think this one looks tired is caro

Yes, in a way it'd be a comfort to think that Caro's bad play is caused by her being tired from her hard schedule the last 9 days (and not by her simply not being able to play better). But even though it's a reasonable excuse it won't make her qualify for YEC.

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:53 AM
1-2. Good game. Can you break now, Caro?

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:55 AM
Caroline simply needs to convert one of the 3 consecutive BP ... there isn't likely to be many more chances.

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:56 AM
Good challenge, 0-40.

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 10:57 AM
2-2 .. It is still alive.

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:01 AM
Fokking shocking .. ly poor.

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:01 AM
Caro is taking some pace of her 1st serve. She knows that Aga is good at handling hard and flat serves, so she tries to make it more 'jumpy'.

CWTennis
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:02 AM
what a shit!

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:03 AM
The WTA should burn all copies of this match instantly, awful...

CWTennis
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:03 AM
forehand is so shit!

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:05 AM
Yikes, what was that? Second serve and Caroline dumps it into the net.

PMBH
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:05 AM
forehand is so shit!

Unfortunately, Caro can't hit a passing stroke to save her life...

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:05 AM
2-4

Oh dear...

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:07 AM
I backed Caro before the match, with the hope she could at least make some impact, but it's been uphill all the way. Serves me right for being some foolish optimist.

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:08 AM
Wow, great return from Aga.

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:10 AM
Maybe it is better to go down fighting, like a Li Na or Jovanovski, than even winning like this? ... I am beginning to have doubts and the limitations to Caroline's game is admittedly beginning to get to me :(

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:12 AM
Stating the obvious here but many of Agnieszka's serves are quite weak/soft, hard to believe that Caroline can't do more with them.

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:12 AM
Maybe it is better to go down fighting, like a Li Na or Jovanovski, than even winning like this? ... I am beginning to have doubts and the limitations to Caroline's game is admittedly beginning to get to me :(

Well Li played rather stupid but yes, the way Caro's playing is increasingly frustrating to watch.

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:14 AM
Someone said this earlier but this really is like watching Caroline play a better version of herself, Agnieszka's defence is very good.

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:14 AM
Very good Aga play on BP, unfortunately.

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:15 AM
Well Li played rather stupid but yes, the way Caro's playing is increasingly frustrating to watch.

This last point, where Caro had a BP in Aga's serve, but for the life of her, cannot put the bloody ball away. Good defense by Aga, but FFS ... how many open courts and weak arsed middle court balls does the girl need?

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:15 AM
Ace on 2nd BP.

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:16 AM
Ouch, bad miss from Agnieszka gives Caroline another break point.

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:17 AM
Ouch, bad miss from Agnieszka gives Caroline another break point.

Right back at you. Deuce.

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:17 AM
Ugly from Caroline. Really too bad, she should have had the break.

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:17 AM
Missed smash sitter on 3rd BP.

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:17 AM
FFS ... how many open courts and weak arsed middle court balls does the girl need?

Eighty-three.

Protoss
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:18 AM
Geez. 3 break points gone, 1st on an ace, 3rd on a 2nd serve. :rolleyes: Break Caro.

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:18 AM
Match turns into a complete freakshow now :(

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:19 AM
Aga misses volley sitter, deuce again.

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:19 AM
Eighty-three.

That's very specific :lol: Thank you, but guess we're not quite there yet.

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:19 AM
3-5

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:19 AM
Underwhelming way for that game to end.

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:20 AM
3-5. That missed smash probably lost Caro the match.

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:21 AM
Caroline won that point but I say again, Agnieszka really is playing Caroline's game better than Caroline is. Great defence.

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:22 AM
It sure takes a lot to win a point when Aga's defense is on, like Caro at her best!

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:23 AM
MP

I think we're done here..

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:25 AM
I was sure that second overhead smash was out. Caroline is still alive.

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:26 AM
Fitting end..blergh.

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:26 AM
MP

I think we're done here..

and even if we aren't, it's become rather 'whatever' ..

Following Caroline, I hate to admit, is now like following any other 'celebrity'. The days Caro was relevant for wins in something meaningful is long gone and with the limitations to her game (as expose again today), she'll just be one to make up the numbers at the large WTA events and Slams ..

It's time to face reality.

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:27 AM
You know, I'm actually happy to see Caroline try to win that with a drop shot. Sure, she missed it but at least she tried to do something.

CWTennis
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:27 AM
nice way to lose the match with 1st dropshot of the match! :haha:

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:29 AM
and even if we aren't, it's become rather 'whatever' ..

Following Caroline, I hate to admit, is now like following any other 'celebrity'. The days Caro was relevant for wins in something meaningful is long gone and with the limitations to her game (as expose again today), she'll just be one to make up the numbers at the large WTA events and Slams ..

It's time to face reality.

Eh, things have certainly not looked good the last twelve-fourteen months but don't give up on her yet. She has a lot to work on but I'm giving her until the end of March, 2013. If she hasn't made significant improvements by then I don't think she will ever be near the player she once was.

Protoss
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:30 AM
Disgusted. :( Caro broken for 3-6 2nd set at Ad Aga from 15-40 to 40-40 (2nd serve there) on a 2nd serve. :( The match was 1 hour 37 minutes long.

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:30 AM
Following Caroline, I hate to admit, is now like following any other 'celebrity'. The days Caro was relevant for wins in something meaningful is long gone and with the limitations to her game (as expose again today), she'll just be one to make up the numbers at the large WTA events and Slams ..

It's time to face reality.

Agreed. There's an increasing sense of her not being the master of her own faith for me. If her opponents screw up she can rank up a few wins but as soon as she meets a good player who's having a decent day she's toast.

Frustrating but I think it's too late for that to change substantially. She's actually lucky she's not meeting the top players more, that's the only reason why she still has positive H2Hs against Radwanska, Vika etc.

Protoss
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:31 AM
So how many winners and unforced errors for both players? Thanks. :)

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:34 AM
This match/tournament kind of reminds me of Miami this year. A lot of us thought that when Caroline defeated Serena that it was a big breakthrough but then she lost her next match against Sharapova and didn't really get a sustained boost from the win over Serena. Here it looked like the win over Na was big but then she lost her next match. Disappointing.

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:35 AM
Eh, things have certainly not looked good the last twelve-fourteen months but don't give up on her yet. She has a lot to work on but I'm giving her until the end of March, 2013. If she hasn't made significant improvements by then I don't think she will ever be near the player she once was.

She's a sweet and lovely girl. She always has been. And I'm sure she'll manage to win more events at an International, maybe also Premier events level.

But .. her strength was her determination, fight, mental toughness .. and BH ..Which all now is missing to a smaller or larger extent). Now medium sized ball basher just not playing terrible (Jovanovski) and Caro is in dire risk of losing the match.

Against someone who can play her at her own game (Kerber, Aga), Caro cannot hit through them and will eventually make too many faults of her own.

What I'm saying is. I've personally turned a corner. I don't expect Caro to ever win something like slam, Mandatory or YEC again (again for the mandatory. ever for the other two).

You want to give it until March 2013. Cool enough. I'll remind you, when we get there. :)

CWTennis
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:36 AM
Let's be real, she doesn't belong to Top 10 atm! And it seems Seoul was illussion, there realy no improvements, serve is inconsistent, forehand is shit as always, backand is not a weapon anymore! Radwanska doesn't have power but at least has variety in her game, Caro doesn't have either!
Good that there's only 1 tournament left this season, I can't take this shit anymore! :o

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:36 AM
4-6, 3-6. Caro used to win this matchup because she gets enough time to prepare her shots and then she's just sharp enough to penetrate even Aga's great defense. But today that sharpness was lacking. Well-placed but slow shots in the corner isn't enough to beat Aga, you need sharp angles or powerful shots. Sharp angles has never been Caro's thing but she used to have a penetrating BH that could finish points. I hope the AWOL BH and bad net game was caused by tiredness today or Caro will have big problems with Aga from now on.
She probably lost YEC definitively today. Let's hope a few days rest can lead to a good showing in Beijing.

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:38 AM
She won just twenty-nine percent of her break points (two out of seven), as happens so often she had chances but she just couldn't win them.

Protoss
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:39 AM
I can't wait to see what sort of positive spin Johansson puts on things. :rolleyes:

I'm very frustrated by the randomness of Caro's good play. :(

I think it's pretty important for Caro to actually play good tennis in Beijing. She can say to herself that this week she was tired but next week that shouldn't be the case.

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:43 AM
I honestly hope she won't get back in the Top 10 this year, that will allow her to play more Internationals next season.

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:46 AM
She's a sweet and lovely girl. She always has been. And I'm sure she'll manage to win more events at an International, maybe also Premier events level.

But .. her strength was her determination, fight, mental toughness .. and BH ..Which all now is missing to a smaller or larger extent). Now medium sized ball basher just not playing terrible (Jovanovski) and Caro is in dire risk of losing the match.

Against someone who can play her at her own game (Kerber, Aga), Caro cannot hit through them and will eventually make too many faults of her own.

What I'm saying is. I've personally turned a corner. I don't expect Caro to ever win something like slam, Mandatory or YEC again (again for the mandatory. ever for the other two).

You want to give it until March 2013. Cool enough. I'll remind you, when we get there. :)

March, 2013 is probably not enough time but the thing I am most looking at is how she does in each tournament compared to the year before. It is going to be tough for her to make the quarters in Melbourne again but for the most part I think it is reasonable to look at how she did in 2012 and believe she can do better in 2013. I'm certainly not expecting any slam wins or finals in 2013 but if she can show steady progress that will be good enough for me. It really is like she is a new/different player. You kind of need to forget that she was ever number one and pretend that everything prior to 2012 never happened. She's rebuilding her game and that is going to take time.

goldenlox
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:49 AM
I can't wait to see what sort of positive spin Johansson puts on things. :rolleyes:

I'm very frustrated by the randomness of Caro's good play. :(

I think it's pretty important for Caro to actually play good tennis in Beijing. She can say to herself that this week she was tired but next week that shouldn't be the case.Me too, being frustrated.
She plays such a stupid type of tennis. She used to be smart, used her skillset. Didnt give matches away.
Hard to watch this, especially because I saw so much of this the last year.
Clueless tennis. This is all from not having a coach who understands her game & understands match strategy.
Her play is crazy. She literally beats herself

If someone asked me to explain Caro's lousy year in 5 words: Bad errors at key moments.

C. W. Fields
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:49 AM
I'm not quite ready to write off Caro yet. Playing 9 days in a row is tough and you can't play your best if you're simply too tired.
There have been improvements to her game, she just hasn't been able to use them consistently yet. I hope Caro will continue to work with TJ and see what next season brings. Mid-11 to mid-12 was bad because she didn't try to evolve her game. The other players moved forward, Caro didn't. Now at least she's trying to add new things to her game, whether they'll stick enough to bring her to a higher level, we don't know yet. If we don't see progress next year, then I agree her days as a top 5 player are probably gone for good.

Protoss
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:55 AM
Here's the winner/unforced errors totals for Caro in her last 3 matches against Aga:

2011 YEC: 32 winners, 27 unforced errors
2012 Sydney: 22 winners, 23 unforced errors (stats through 2 sets, I don't have the match total)
2012 Tokyo: 19 winners, 33 unforced errors. :rolleyes:

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 11:58 AM
I hope Caro will continue to work with TJ

About that. If rumours in the more glossy and tabloid versions of media life is to be believed, Rory and Caroline are planning to move to Florida (to live together).

With the limited time already now afforded to the TJ/Caro partnership, when they are both domiciled in Monaco, I think it'll be near impossible, if Caroline moved to the States.

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 12:01 PM
Florida huh? Maybe she can train with Bollettieri then..that's doing wonders for Sabine...no, wait...

Fantasy Hero
Sep 27th, 2012, 12:02 PM
it was NID, Aga plays a better defence than what Caro does nowadays and there's no way Aga misses as much as Caro needs her opponents to do in order to win matches...I guess the last point summed up the match pretty well: Caro trying to do something, but that's against her nature, so she can't hurt Aga enough to make the point and ends up missing points she should close. Funny enough this was the way Caro built her success :awww:

goldenlox
Sep 27th, 2012, 12:07 PM
The really telling part of this: She doesn't want to win enough. The great players want to win. They're desperate to win.
She has the skills and the game to be top 5 right now, and a slam threat.
But she doesnt play her style. Now she's gone 13 months with no final except at Intls. Thats where Hsieh & Begu win

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2012, 12:07 PM
Florida huh? Maybe she can train with Bollettieri then..that's doing wonders for Sabine...no, wait...

That's one option of course, but ... I don't know. Maybe it's a first step into retirement. :shrug:

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 12:10 PM
That's one option of course, but ... I don't know. Maybe it's a first step into retirement. :shrug:

Florida's the right place for that :lol:

Nothing would surprise me these days, I wouldn't be willing to bet a good amount of money on her still being on tour in 2014.. I just don't know.

Protoss
Sep 27th, 2012, 12:31 PM
I'm not quite ready to write off Caro yet. Playing 9 days in a row is tough and you can't play your best if you're simply too tired.
There have been improvements to her game, she just hasn't been able to use them consistently yet. I hope Caro will continue to work with TJ and see what next season brings. Mid-11 to mid-12 was bad because she didn't try to evolve her game. The other players moved forward, Caro didn't. Now at least she's trying to add new things to her game, whether they'll stick enough to bring her to a higher level, we don't know yet. If we don't see progress next year, then I agree her days as a top 5 player are probably gone for good.
Caro was awful against Jovanovski though.

I wouldn't call randomly doing something good an improvement. :shrug:

Johansson is barely around to work with. :shrug:

CWTennis
Sep 27th, 2012, 12:34 PM
I doubt she'll continue to work with Johansson! And her off season will be fucked up again without a real coach!

The Reff
Sep 27th, 2012, 12:35 PM
Hmm, Ok? Disappointed! - couldn't watch the match, but that may have been a blessing in disguise. I'll go back to awaiting the turnaround of her game/luck/career. Do better next time Caro :)

Jimmie48
Sep 27th, 2012, 12:36 PM
Yep, there still is no real direction. Sometimes Piotr, sometimes TJ... I wonder if she dosen't want to have a real coach or for some reasons the eligible candidates don't want to work with her?

Look at Vika, Sharapova etc...they all have long-running, proper coaches...nothing of that "sometimes this, sometimes that.."

marineblue
Sep 27th, 2012, 03:41 PM
Hopefully she'll get far in Beijing. Considering this overall season this is OK result. Do you think she'll go to Sofia this season? Her chances for YEC has gotten quite slim.

Trey
Sep 27th, 2012, 03:47 PM
Didn't see all the match but watching some of the second it seem like Caro was Passive at time and making too many Errors do that some up the match

goldenlox
Sep 27th, 2012, 04:49 PM
Hopefully she'll get far in Beijing. Considering this overall season this is OK result. Do you think she'll go to Sofia this season? Her chances for YEC has gotten quite slim.Probably depends on whether she wants to spend time with Rory.
She has one more chance at the YEC, but will probably need to win Beijing and Moscow, very unlikely. So she has time after Beijing to decide her schedule

Protoss
Sep 27th, 2012, 05:12 PM
Florida's the right place for that :lol:

Nothing would surprise me these days, I wouldn't be willing to bet a good amount of money on her still being on tour in 2014.. I just don't know.
There's also Miami/South Beach in Florida.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 27th, 2012, 05:14 PM
Didn't see all the match but watching some of the second it seem like Caro was Passive at time and making too many Errors do that some up the match
Caro didn't play badly overall, but it was very up and down. One game she looked magnificent, the next like someone out of the top 100. Even so, I'm pretty happy with her play in this tournament......That missed smash was like something out of a horror movie. If not for that the outcome might have been different. But you have moments like that in most matches. C'est la vie. A pity because two wins in a row against top ten players would have meant that she's back in business, at least in her own mind which is the only one that matters.

marineblue
Sep 27th, 2012, 05:48 PM
Caro didn't play badly overall, but it was very up and down. One game she looked magnificent, the next like someone out of the top 100. Even so, I'm pretty happy with her play in this tournament......That missed smash was like something out of a horror movie. If not for that the outcome might have been different. But you have moments like that in most matches. C'est la vie. A pity because two wins in a row against top ten players would have meant that she's back in business, at least in her own mind which is the only one that matters.

Based on that scream afterwards one would think this was a horror movie:lol:
And I totally agree, if she managed to break at that point she would be able to maintain her cool better and possible come back in three sets.

I think this is one of the matches she'll be watching again a few times...

Protoss
Sep 29th, 2012, 11:49 AM
Caro doesn't play her 1st round match in Beijing til monday.

jasminefu623
Sep 30th, 2012, 12:08 PM
caro will play 3rd match at court one tmr

TennisFan66
Sep 30th, 2012, 12:31 PM
caro will play 3rd match at court one tmr

Schedule not updated on the tournament web site yet, so ... do we know when play starts at court 1 and is it televised?

Protoss
Sep 30th, 2012, 12:41 PM
Schedule not updated on the tournament web site yet, so ... do we know when play starts at court 1 and is it televised?
Play begins at 12:30 pm on court 1.

I don't know about it being televised though. My guess would be no since this doesn't seem to be on their main courts.

CWTennis
Sep 30th, 2012, 01:05 PM
http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/large/543ace57jw1dxeqiz7cjfj.jpg

Jimmie48
Sep 30th, 2012, 01:48 PM
Last year Lotus & Moon were streamed on some chinese sites but I can't remember 1 ever being streamed, I think we're out of luck yet again.

goldenlox
Sep 30th, 2012, 02:16 PM
She won this title in 2010, took #1 that week, and she's on the 4th biggest court?
That is amazing.
Shows how much she's fallen. They're putting Caro in the irrelevant category, if thats really 4th biggest court

Jorn
Sep 30th, 2012, 02:20 PM
Sabs v Medina on a bigger court :facepalm:

Jimmie48
Sep 30th, 2012, 02:38 PM
Sabs v Medina on a bigger court :facepalm:

Well, that match is a guaranteed upset ;)

DownInAHole
Sep 30th, 2012, 02:53 PM
Eh, if she wants to be on the bigger courts and be considered relevant again it is up to her to start winning. The reality is that she has had a very dramatic fall in a relatively short period of time. If she was still a top five player she would probably be on the more desirable courts but in less than a year she has fallen from number one to number eleven. Based on merit she is playing just about where she deserves to be.

DownInAHole
Sep 30th, 2012, 02:54 PM
Well, that match is a guaranteed upset ;)

Upset, eh? So you are picking Sabine to actually win a match?:p

Saraya!
Sep 30th, 2012, 08:06 PM
Sunshine on that court. A shame for the organisation. A ashame for the tournament.

terjw
Sep 30th, 2012, 08:56 PM
Eh, if she wants to be on the bigger courts and be considered relevant again it is up to her to start winning. The reality is that she has had a very dramatic fall in a relatively short period of time. If she was still a top five player she would probably be on the more desirable courts but in less than a year she has fallen from number one to number eleven. Based on merit she is playing just about where she deserves to be.

True - but I think the complaint was more from our point of view. If there's no stream and we don't get to see her rather than what Caro wanted and deserving a showcourt. But that's not the tournament organisers' fault. I certainly haven't heard Caro saying anything like she wanted or deserved a showcourt.

DownInAHole
Sep 30th, 2012, 10:02 PM
True - but I think the complaint was more from our point of view. If there's no stream and we don't get to see her rather than what Caro wanted and deserving a showcourt. But that's not the tournament organisers' fault. I certainly haven't heard Caro saying anything like she wanted or deserved a showcourt.

Yup, for fans it stinks that we can't see her play but we also need to realise that it is a joint event so Caroline is also "competing" with ATP players for the bigger courts. If she wins a couple of matches we will probably get to see her play on the courts with televised coverage. I just don't believe that she is in any way being snubbed, at the moment she is not a top ten player and she is given the consideration that she deserves based on her ranking.

Jimmie48
Sep 30th, 2012, 10:15 PM
The only match that maybe could be switched for Caro is Sabine, all other matches pretty much are self explanatory choices for the show courts as the players involved are simply ranked higher than Caroline.

Jorn
Oct 1st, 2012, 10:26 AM
Good Luck Caro! :)


Mens match finally finished!

CWTennis
Oct 1st, 2012, 10:29 AM
Good luck Caro! :cheer:

Jorn
Oct 1st, 2012, 10:42 AM
Caro *0-0... 30-0...

Jorn
Oct 1st, 2012, 10:48 AM
Caro 1-0 40-40*

Jorn
Oct 1st, 2012, 10:52 AM
*1-1...

Protoss
Oct 1st, 2012, 10:53 AM
Get your 1st serve in Caro.

Jorn
Oct 1st, 2012, 10:58 AM
2-1*

Protoss
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:05 AM
Caro holds for 3-2 1st set at 40-15. :) Now break Caro.

Protoss
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:09 AM
Stop being useless on return of serve Caro. :(

Jorn
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:10 AM
Caro *3-3... Come On Caro!

Jorn
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:14 AM
3-4* :o

Protoss
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:15 AM
Geez. Caro broken for 3-4 1st set at 30-40 from 30-15 to 30-30 (2nd serve). :( Break Caro.

Caro was up 30-15 and 30-30 2nd serve at 3-2 1st set but didn't break despite 2 double faults by Scheepers in that game. :(

TennisFan66
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:16 AM
Oh, CS just broke .. 3-4 .. Ah well ..

Protoss
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:18 AM
Geez. Scheepers 40-30 on her serve from 0-30 to 30-30 (2nd serve there). :( Save the game point Caro.

Protoss
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:19 AM
Wake the f up Caro. :(

Jorn
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:21 AM
4-5*

TennisFan66
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:22 AM
Keeps the set alive by holding to luv. 4-5 and CS will serve for 1st set .. At least it's on court 1 and no stream .. #everycloudhasasilverlining

Jorn
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:24 AM
3 bps... Take one Caro!

Jorn
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:25 AM
*5-5... We can't see it, but can't be worse than the MashaS match now on Es :o

Jimmie48
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:25 AM
Must be quiet a choke from Scheepers now, she didn't make a single point in the last two games.

5-5

Jorn
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:29 AM
*5-5 40-40 Hold On Caro!

Jorn
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:31 AM
Caro 6-5*

DownInAHole
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:37 AM
Well, she won the first set.

TennisFan66
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:37 AM
So, from 3-5 to 7-5 .. #wakeupcall

jasminefu623
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:38 AM
if caro through to the next round, she will still playing at court 1 tmr

Protoss
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:40 AM
Whew. Caro breaks for 7-5 1st set at Ad Caro from 15-30 to 30-30 to 30-40 to 40-40, 2 double faults in that game from Scheepers. :) Stay focused Caro. The match is 56 minutes long.

TennisFan66
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:43 AM
Stay focused Caro.

I am afraid, she couldn't hear you .. CS breaks .. 0-1*

CWTennis
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:47 AM
if caro through to the next round, she will still playing at court 1 tmr

wtf! :o

TennisFan66
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:53 AM
wtf! :o

Neutral observation. If you were the Beijing organizer, would you put Caroline on a show court?

Btw, she just lost her serve again .. 1-2*

Jimmie48
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:53 AM
Broken again...

1-2

DownInAHole
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:53 AM
I am afraid, she couldn't hear you .. CS breaks .. 0-1*

Hmm, I was just thinking that I ought to give Caroline credit for the way she has been serving lately, specifically how she has stopped being broken on her opening service game every other match. Now I'm not so sure.

Jimmie48
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:54 AM
Neutral observation. If you were the Beijing organizer, would you put Caroline on a show court?



Probably not. We have to remember that this is a combined tournament so there's less spots for the girls... and there are simply too much players ahead of her that play better tennis :shrug:

Protoss
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:55 AM
Broken again...

1-2
Caro was up 30-0 in that service game and hit three 2nd serves to a break point, saved the break point, and then hit a double fault to a 2nd break point. :rolleyes:

DownInAHole
Oct 1st, 2012, 11:57 AM
Caroline's serve = :banghead:

Jorn
Oct 1st, 2012, 12:02 PM
1-3 3 bps :o

Jimmie48
Oct 1st, 2012, 12:03 PM
Broken to 15 :rolleyes:

1-4

KleineBiere
Oct 1st, 2012, 12:04 PM
:no: Scheepers 1-25 vs. Top 20 Players

CWTennis
Oct 1st, 2012, 12:05 PM
well it's propably good that we can't se this match! :o

TennisFan66
Oct 1st, 2012, 12:05 PM
Hmm, I was just thinking that I ought to give Caroline credit for the way she has been serving lately,

Credit ahead. Caro now broken in her last 3 service games 1-4* .. As I personally have accepted, Caroline is not a top player any longer, I am not even sad ;) The 10 Prozac tablets I swallow before a Caro match, might though also help ..

DownInAHole
Oct 1st, 2012, 12:05 PM
Yikes, she has really gone off the rails. The second set looks to be out of reach but she can still win in three.

Jimmie48
Oct 1st, 2012, 12:06 PM
:no: Scheepers 1-25 vs. Top 20 Players

Your avatar made me laugh so hard just now... :lol:

0-30... jesus.

Jimmie48
Oct 1st, 2012, 12:08 PM
As I personally have accepted, Caroline is not a top player any longer, I am not even sad ;) The 10 Prozac tablets I swallow before a Caro match, might though also help ..

:hug:

Yeah, as it is now I really have given up on the hope of her returning to the Top 5 again as well, unless there's a lot of injuries among the top players.

1-5, easy-peasy hold for Scheepers.

goldenlox
Oct 1st, 2012, 12:10 PM
Credit ahead. Caro now broken in her last 3 service games 1-4* .. As I personally have accepted, Caroline is not a top player any longer, I am not even sad ;) The 10 Prozac tablets I swallow before a Caro match, might though also help ..Caro & her dad are writing a "How NOT to Develop a Top Player" book.
Takes a Player of the Year, a long term #1, and change her game and mess with her mind, and turn her into a 4th biggest court, irrelevant journyman

Protoss
Oct 1st, 2012, 12:10 PM
:no: Scheepers 1-25 vs. Top 20 Players
When and who was that top 20 win?

Jimmie48
Oct 1st, 2012, 12:12 PM
At least she avoids the breadstick...yay?

marineblue
Oct 1st, 2012, 12:12 PM
Credit ahead. Caro now broken in her last 3 service games 1-4* .. As I personally have accepted, Caroline is not a top player any longer, I am not even sad ;) The 10 Prozac tablets I swallow before a Caro match, might though also help ..

Is it that bad? :lol:
Scheepers is no pushover, she's improved her ranking a lot and it shows. Hopefully Caro will find a way through this.

marineblue
Oct 1st, 2012, 12:13 PM
Caro & her dad are writing a "How NOT to Develop a Top Player" book.
Takes a Player of the Year, a long term #1, and change her game and mess with her mind, and turn her into a 4th biggest court, irrelevant journyman

So true :awww: