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Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:32 AM
Eurosport already talking like she has lost this...

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:32 AM
Another error, god just a huge mess. That said Begu is playing probably the best match of her year.

Personally, I am getting tired of the 'playing the best match of her career, year' excuse ...

With the non-stop upbeat tone from Team Wozniacki, incl Thomas Johanesson, when there obviously is serious problems. Be it with form or injury.

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:32 AM
She has inflamtion in the knee...
Then stop play now, withdraw from Seoul, and evaluate later whether she's physically up to playing Tokyo or Beijing.

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:33 AM
Personally, I am getting tired of the 'playing the best match of her career, year' excuse ...

With the non-stop upbeat tone from Team Wozniacki, incl Thomas Johanesson, when there obviously is serious problems. Be it with form or injury.

Yep, I really hope this is just press talk...if they`re really that much in denial...

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:34 AM
Caro took a pain killer, I think.

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:35 AM
Even if she can miraculously somehow win this...she's not going anywhere playing like that.

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:35 AM
A break now would be very nice.

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:36 AM
Caro took a pain killer, I think.
This is probably a dumb question but if she did take a pain killer, whey didn't she take one before the match?

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:36 AM
Even if she can miraculously somehow win this...she's not going anywhere playing like that.

I think she'll play for a win, hoping the inflamation goes down before next match.

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:37 AM
Caro took a pain killer, I think.

She definitely took a tablet. Could also be an anti-inflamatory pill, but she should be on those already ... so who knows

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:38 AM
1-3

Begu holds to love.

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:39 AM
Begu isn't dumb, she knows that making Caro hit running FHs is the way to go.

Jorn
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:39 AM
If Begu continue her good play, Caro will lose it... may be best so she can rest her knee... :tape:

goldenlox
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:39 AM
There's no reason to continue unless the knee is fine. She's down a set & this is only round 1.This whole year is a waste. It would be embarrassing to lose Wimbledon & US Open round 1...Better to retire

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:40 AM
15-15

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:40 AM
I wonder why she hasn't switched to "injury mode" yet where she gets really aggressive and goes for shots...she's still trying to grind this out, this is not working.

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:40 AM
this is the worst play i've seen from her ever and this is not the usual complaint...

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:41 AM
I wonder why she hasn't switched to "injury mode" yet where she gets really aggressive and goes for shots...she's still trying to grind this out, this is not working.
Maybe because it's a slam and Caro tends to play safer there. :shrug: I dunno.

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:42 AM
2-3 we need a break badly

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:42 AM
2-3

She hangs on... we can only hope that Begu will drop the ball at some point, she just has to serve this out.

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:43 AM
2-3. Begu has been serving well lately. Caro must hope her level drops because I don't think she has what it takes to force a break.

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:43 AM
there's something strange going on tonight...Begu is playing like a solid top 20 or even better...Caro's a mess

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:45 AM
Begu's level is dropping a bit...if only Caro wasn't that horrible at taking her chances on BP.

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:45 AM
30-0 come on caro

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:46 AM
30-30

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:47 AM
Two failed ROS. Three.

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:47 AM
2-4

I just don't see how she's supposed to win this, Begu is simply better.

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:48 AM
2-4 Caro need too break soon

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:48 AM
Begu holds for 4-2 2nd set from 0-30 and 15-30 2nd serve down. :rolleyes: Hold Caro.

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:48 AM
There was a slight hope at 0-30, and then...

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:49 AM
0-30

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:49 AM
This year is completely wasted .. whats the point of Korea, Tokyo and Beijing. Call it quits for 2012 and let the body heal and hopefully *fingers crossed* come back stronger in 2013.

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:49 AM
0-40 behind in her service game.

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:50 AM
3 Bp

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:50 AM
2-5

TF, what are the odds for Caro winning now? 1/500?

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:50 AM
it over 5-2

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:51 AM
And Caro does it again...she goes from 30-0 up on Begu's serve at 2-3 2nd set and 30-15 2nd serve 2-3 2nd set to being broken for 2-5 2nd set at love. :rolleyes:

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:51 AM
she's not even trying...i don't understand what's up, really.

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:51 AM
This is the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGmAmJFUvzM

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:53 AM
Caro has given up.

Jorn
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:55 AM
Ue og mps... :sad:

Achernar
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:55 AM
And I thought it would be an easy win. I just can't believe it.

But please guys, let the "the whole year is a waste" aside. She's still among the top10. Most of my fans will trade their soul to be where she is actually. It's a bad year for her standards, but it's still a lot better than most player. If her year is a waste, then 99.9% of the other players should retire.

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:56 AM
It over 6-2 6-2

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:56 AM
2-6 2-6 against #96.

I can't put my disappointment into words.... this slump is reaching epic proportions.

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:57 AM
Disgusted. Begu holds for 6-2 2nd at 40-15 from 30-0 to 30-15. :rolleyes: The match was 1 hour 21 minutes long.

Who the hell thought it was a good idea to play today? :rolleyes:

Achernar
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:58 AM
At least she'll have time to heal her knee.

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:59 AM
That's the very last time, I've been fooled by spin from the Team Wozniacki camp. New hypothesis is, Caroline's career is over.

Double A
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:59 AM
And I thought it would be an easy win. I just can't believe it.

But please guys, let the "the whole year is a waste" aside. She's still among the top10. Most of my fans will trade their soul to be where she is actually. It's a bad year for her standards, but it's still a lot better than most player. If her year is a waste, then 99.9% of the other players should retire.

Not for long. If Bartoli wins another match, Caro is out of top 10.

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:00 AM
Seems that even the world #96 can play like a top player when you can't pressure her on neither serve nor ground strokes.
At least Caro's top 10 exit happened in emphatic style!

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:00 AM
That's the very last time, I've been fooled by spin from the Team Wozniacki camp. New hypothesis is, Caroline's career is over.

I wouldn't say over but I really think we`re looking at a Ivanovic type of career here. Media darling with celebrity boyfriend, will stay in the Top 20 somehow, now and then play a decent match, mostly flop...sigh.

That's the way it's going to be, lots of mediocrity ahead.

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:01 AM
And I thought it would be an easy win. I just can't believe it.

But please guys, let the "the whole year is a waste" aside. She's still among the top10. Most of my fans will trade their soul to be where she is actually. It's a bad year for her standards, but it's still a lot better than most player. If her year is a waste, then 99.9% of the other players should retire.
If Bartoli wins one more match at the US Open, then Caro's out of the top 10. Caro was #11 in the YEC race coming into the US Open.

A year with two 1st round grand slam losses is a very bad year. :(

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:02 AM
I wouldn't say over but I really think we`re looking at a Ivanovic type of career here. Media darling with celebrity boyfriend, will stay in the Top 20 somehow, now and then play a decent match, mostly flop...sigh.

That's the way it's going to be, lots of mediocrity ahead.

Let's say 'over as we've known it' ?

CWTennis
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:02 AM
Im in shock! Please someone shoot me!

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:03 AM
Let's say 'over as we've known it' ?

Probably. Her earnings will take a monster hit too, Adidas can't be happy with this at all.

And please, I don't want to hear this "It's part of changing her game" nonsense again...she has no game anymore...she's just all over the place and nothing's getting better at all.

Achernar
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:04 AM
Not for long. If Bartoli wins another match, Caro is out of top 10.

Yeah, I know. But 10, 11 or 12. you know what I mean. It's still a high ranking.

Seems that even the world #96 can play like a top player when you can't pressure her on neither serve nor ground strokes.


Exactly. That's why you always have to keep your opponent under pressure. That's why Caroline has so much troubles this year. She fails to put that pressure.

Double A
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:04 AM
Hopefully her "dramatic" exit out of the top 10 will knock some sense into her stubborn head of hers.

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:05 AM
The US Open goes from the scene of one of Caro's biggest successes with a final being the crown jewel to the scene of perhaps her greatest embarassment losing in the 1st round to a claycourter ranked #96 in the world with 0 top 50 wins on hard court previously. :rolleyes:

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:05 AM
Yeah, I know. But 10, 11 or 12. you know what I mean. It's still a high ranking.



No it's not, this sugarcoating nonsense is getting her nowhere. For a player that started the year as #1, finishing #11 or worse is a disaster - period.

It will make her life a lot harder at the AO as well, this is really kicking off a new downward spiral...harder opponents earlier, that means escalating the nosedive.

Chrissie-fan
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:06 AM
And I thought it would be an easy win. I just can't believe it.

But please guys, let the "the whole year is a waste" aside. She's still among the top10. Most of my fans will trade their soul to be where she is actually. It's a bad year for her standards, but it's still a lot better than most player. If her year is a waste, then 99.9% of the other players should retire.
Yeah, but let's face it. She just turned a by her standards very disappointing year into an absolute disaster. Maybe the knee was bothering her, I don't know. But whatever the reason was this time, we can't keep coming up with excuses week in week out for over a year to keep on explaining these disappointing losses. The truth is that the Wozniacki of 2012 isn't half the player she was previously. I'm speachless really.

Blu€
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:07 AM
Well that was cleary not worth staying up to watch.
Disaster performance, if she wasn't fit she should have withdrawn, watching that error galore was disgusting. Johansson 2 Slams, two 1st round losses... whatever his doing, it's not working so far.

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:08 AM
Caro should shut it down for the season and withdrawl from all remaining tournaments.

I really don't want any spin from Team Wozniacki about this loss. :rolleyes:

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:09 AM
99% sure that's goodbye to YEC also. And let's face it, Caro hasn't seemed much like a top 8 player this season. She needs to stop thinking about herself as a current top player and concentrate on how she gets herself BACK to being a top player. She pretty much has to reinvent herself.

CWTennis
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:10 AM
Caro should skip the rest of the season and take some time off !

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:10 AM
Her drop off is so significant, it's hard to put into words. In early 2011, she had both Radwanska and Vika easily covered and less than two years later her two BFFs are on another planet in terms of play quality.

She has lost so much, it's like she has been replaced with a lesser version of herself since last summer.

jasminefu623
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:12 AM
Caro should shut it down for the season and withdrawl from all remaining tournaments.

I really don't want any spin from Team Wozniacki about this loss. :rolleyes:

thats exactly what i think of after her lost

after all,does TJ suits her?

or shd she find another coach?

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:12 AM
Caro should shut it down for the season and withdrawl from all remaining tournaments.

I really don't want any spin from Team Wozniacki about this loss. :rolleyes:

+1 ...

Agree 100% ... if she's injured, she needs to let her body heal. If it's changing style, she needs to work on it away from playing tournaments. If it's a commitment issue, she needs to think about, if she still has the hunger and will to give 100% to tennis ...

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:15 AM
Her career is completely falling apart, it dosen't get more alarming than this. If this dosen't result in a reaction then nothing will.

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:17 AM
I would like to know what's really behind this loss...I can't really see it because afterall she was playing well of a late and suddenly she hits 4 winners 1 ace and 22 UE? no, i don't buy it, and it wasn't the injury only...

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:19 AM
No, I don't think the injury was the main reason today. She showed the usual signs of weakness we`ve seen so often lately...silly errors on easy balls that just get long, concentration lapses, missing fight, not taking her chances.

The injury surely escalated these issues today but in the core it were her typical problems.

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:19 AM
I'm actually hoping Caro won't fire TJ despite this disappointment. I think he has some good ideas, and I don't much trust Caro/Piotr to turn her career around on their own.

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:20 AM
If she do fall out the top 10 which is likely now, Can she play more International like Tashkent Open & Bell Challenge this year

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:21 AM
If she do fall out the top 10 which is likely now, Can she play more International like Tashkent Open & Bell Challenge this year

If she falls out of the Top 10 she's free to schedule her tournaments next season, yes.

May be a way to sneak a title or two. But even most internationals have decent fields, Luxembourg for example has Kerber, Venus, Hantuchova etc. I wouldn't exactly bet on Caro winning that one either.

Achernar
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:22 AM
Yeah, but let's face it. She just turned a by her standards very disappointing year into an absolute disaster. Maybe the knee was bothering her, I don't know. But whatever the reason was this time, we can't keep coming up with excuses week in week out for over a year to keep on explaining these disappointing losses. The truth is that the Wozniacki of 2012 isn't half the player she was previously. I'm speachless really.

Well, a knee injury is quite a good excuse.

I'm not in denial and I know she's playing bad. But I also know that things can change quickly. No one knows how she'll play in 12 months, so what's the purpose of predicting the worst for her career from now on? I'll wait and see.

Ciao guys for tonight. I hope you still have some favorites in the draw :hug:

Blu€
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:22 AM
I really don't understand this, either she's just become this incosistent player who can't play two good matches in a row or that knee injury is worse than she's saying because she played a pretty good first set against Cibulkova just a week ago, before the injury.

This season is going from bad to worse, she's running out of tournaments to turn this around. The only good news is that next year she won't have any points to defend :bigcry:

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:23 AM
I starting too question TJ as a coach, he so far to me has not showed no progress to her game, Maybe Brad Gilbert or Jim Courier would have been better

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:24 AM
Fun/embarrasing stat: last week, guess who also lost her 1R match 2-6, 2-6?

Begu, against Dellacqua! :banghead:

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:25 AM
Fun/embarrasing stat: last week, guess who also lost her 1R match 2-6, 2-6?

Begu, against Dellacqua! :banghead:

I think the Eurosport guys mentioned that she has never won a HC match against a Top 50 player before!

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:27 AM
Well, a knee injury is quite a good excuse.

I'm not in denial and I know she's playing bad. But I also know that things can change quickly. No one knows how she'll play in 12 months, so what's the purpose of predicting the worst for her career from now on? I'll wait and see.

Ciao guys for tonight. I hope you still have some favorites in the draw :hug:
i agree with you, all the line.

hope you have: i've none left and two of them are injured, Flavia having a surgery next week and Caro...my 2012 wasn't exactly great considering my drop in the world ranking of skiers was of 300 places too...

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:28 AM
I think the Eurosport guys mentioned that she has never won a HC match against a Top 50 player before!
Yes, she hadn't won a hard court match against a top 50 player and had won only 1 set on hard court against a top 50 player (#43 Scheepers early this year).

Burisleif
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:31 AM
Yeah, but let's face it. She just turned a by her standards very disappointing year into an absolute disaster. Maybe the knee was bothering her, I don't know. But whatever the reason was this time, we can't keep coming up with excuses week in week out for over a year to keep on explaining these disappointing losses. The truth is that the Wozniacki of 2012 isn't half the player she was previously. I'm speachless really.

Her form is what it is. You don't need to come up with excuses, explanations, reasoning, or like other posters here, hyperbole. :)

I'm very curious why some of the others post here anymore. going by the posting, it can't be for love, and it sure isn't for fun.

It will take as long as it takes to rebuild... No amount of the self serving bitching, statistics, or whinge posting here is going to change that fact, or speed things up.

Anyone who doesn't like long haul, would be wise to get off now. :)

For the Match.

Not that I was expecting any showing from a counter puncher with a dodgy knee, but it's unfortunate she wasn't able to show up healthy and test the progress she has made to her game. Injuries suck, and show why you can't just focus on Slams. They really aren't relevant as a target.

If she is going to continue with TJ I feel it needs to be full time however, because half of the state she is in seems to be due to confusion and mixed messages with her game, And I'm not sure anything but full time supervision is going to bed the new changes. Hopefully the stick can be dumped early enough for winter training.

Onward to the next tournament.

Chrissie-fan
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:32 AM
Well, a knee injury is quite a good excuse.

I'm not in denial and I know she's playing bad. But I also know that things can change quickly. No one knows how she'll play in 12 months, so what's the purpose of predicting the worst for her career from now on? I'll wait and see.

Well, I'm not predicting anything. We can only assess the situation as it is now and going by what we're currently dealing with things aren't looking good. Of course it's possible that she'll play better twelve months from now but for that to happen things will have to change quickly or she'll completely miss the boat.

Charlatan
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:34 AM
I feel bad for her :sad: Was rooting for her to get to the QF at least here :hug:

Hoping she will bounce back

PMBH
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:36 AM
Probably. Her earnings will take a monster hit too, Adidas can't be happy with this at all.

And please, I don't want to hear this "It's part of changing her game" nonsense again...she has no game anymore...she's just all over the place and nothing's getting better at all.

I disagree. It has everything to do with trying to change her game. Thomas Johansson is saying that she's playing very well in practice but that she so far hasn't been able to bring this into matchplay.

The fact is that it takes a very long time to transform your game for a player at Caro's level. And sometimes it doesn't happen at all. But there's still hope. When Tiger Woods wanted to change his swing ten years ago he temporarily dropped down the rankings but eventually came back a better and more dominant player. Hopefully Caro can do the same...

Chrissie-fan
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:38 AM
I feel bad for her :sad: Was rooting for her to get to the QF at least here :hug:

Hoping she will bounce back
Thanks. You're one of the nicest and classiest Sharapova fans. :hug:

Burisleif
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:41 AM
I starting too question TJ as a coach, he so far to me has not showed no progress to her game, Maybe Brad Gilbert or Jim Courier would have been better

Hard to say because they have hardly worked together yet, especially on HC. He seems very capable technically. Tactically we haven't had a chance to see him on court much. I think it's too early to judge and worth carrying on at least to the end of the season. If he can't get Caro in form by then, then yes a considered change might be a good call.

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:45 AM
IThomas Johansson is saying that she's playing very well in practice but that she so far hasn't been able to bring this into matchplay.



Piotr has also been saying she's hitting as hard as mens players in practice. Maybe I'm unreasonable but I don't buy this stuff anymore.

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:45 AM
I think the Yonex racquet gotta go, She needs too go back too Babolat

Burisleif
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:47 AM
Piotr has also been saying she's hitting as hard as mens players in practice. Maybe I'm unreasonable but I don't buy this stuff anymore.

Yes it's unreasonable... Reactionary even.

Chrissie-fan
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:48 AM
Hard to say because they have hardly worked together yet, especially on HC. He seems very capable technically. Tactically we haven't had a chance to see him on court much. I think it's too early to judge and worth carrying on at least to the end of the season. If he can't get Caro in form by then, then yes a considered change might be a good call.
Yes, I think she should give him more time. I don't think it's a good idea to change coaches every couple of months and start from scratch over and over again.

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:49 AM
Yes it's unreasonable... Reactionary even.

Yes, let it all out...I feel honored that you vent by attacking me :)

I don't believe that you`re as gullible as you act in here, otherwise insurance salesmen probably have a field day with you.

if someone tells you something over and over again and it never transpires, at some point you do get skeptical.

Burisleif
Aug 29th, 2012, 02:32 AM
Yes, let it all out...I feel honored that you vent by attacking me :)

I don't believe that you`re as gullible as you act in here, otherwise insurance salesmen probably have a field day with you.

if someone tells you something over and over again and it never transpires, at some point you do get skeptical.

Repeating your less than considered opinion over and over again, does not make it valid, and moreover, more valid than a PR or team statement.
when such repetitions are statements of FUD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt) relative to the message, then that is indeed reactionary. How you feel doesn't interest me, what you think even less so, spreading FUD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt) is along with your "me I'm a victim don't hurt me" line is 101 Flame posting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)), so nothing new there.

It's a PR statement... nothing more, nothing less.

My point stands.

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 02:37 AM
At least Caro played relatively well in her 1st round loss at Wimbledon. Today she was utter garbage. :(

Paszek was a good to very good grass court player who had reached the Wimbledon quarters the previous year and won Eastbourne beating two top 10 players. Begu is a clay courter who had never beaten a top 50 player on hard court. :rolleyes:

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 02:38 AM
Repeating your less than considered opinion over and over again, does not make it valid, and moreover, more valid than a PR or team statement.
when such repetitions are statements of FUD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt) relative to the message, then that is indeed reactionary. How you feel doesn't interest me, what you think even less so, spreading FUD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt) is along with your "me I'm a victim don't hurt me" line is 101 Flame posting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)), so nothing new there.

It's a PR statement... nothing more, nothing less.

My point stands.


You use a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.

Fact is Piotr has been hailing her supposed practice achievements for over a year now and nothing ever transpires. What facts do you have to back up his claims, other than the almost religious belief that everything Team Wozniacki says has to be the absolute truth?

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 02:43 AM
I just hope this slump ends soon

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 03:50 AM
For me, three moments in particular stand out from this match.

Set 1, 2-1, BP: Caro is controlling the point and hits a nice FH DTL which Begu barely gets to. It's obvious she can only make a defensive shot and a confident Caro would have moved to the net and finished the point. Instead she stays back and a slow, one-handed BH shot deep into Caro's court allows Begu time to get back into position. And Caro misses her follow-up shot. If she had broken to 3-1 there, it could have made a huge psychological difference: Caro might have gotten enough belief to play past her injury and Begu might have lost her belief that she could hang with a top 10 player.

Set 2, 0-0, 30-40: If Caro is to win the match, it's imperative that she doesn't fall behind right from the start of the set. Caro hits a good serve and Begu barely manages a return that lands halfway between the net and the service line. It's a complete sitter, Caro just needs to hit a simple FH to have gone from 0-40 to 40-40 and still be in the match... instead she hits it out.

Set 2, 2-3, 0-30: Caro has shown a bit of determination the last two points. Two more points and she'll be back on serve, it's her absolutely last chance to get back in the match. And then she fails to even get the ball in play on her next 3 ROSs, losing the game as well as the last two without being close to anything.

Burisleif
Aug 29th, 2012, 04:03 AM
You use a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.

Fact is Piotr has been hailing her supposed practice achievements for over a year now and nothing ever transpires. What facts do you have to back up his claims, other than the almost religious belief that everything Team Wozniacki says has to be the absolute truth?

My post was clear.

I don't recall saying I believed or disbelieved anything but rather, I said it's a "PR statement".

Your opinion of your own reactionary interpretation of said "PR statement" is irrelevant FUD.

Further, before you go on another four page trolling rant on this completely irrelevant topic, save yourself the effort and realise I'm referring to all of your FUD posting in general, which serves little purpose other than causing conflict, disruption, derailment, and argument.

I think I'm right in saying that all of the players that you "actually praise" in this player section have their own player sections.

Burisleif
Aug 29th, 2012, 04:20 AM
For me, three moments in particular stand out from this match.

Set 1, 2-1, BP: Caro is controlling the point and hits a nice FH DTL which Begu barely gets to. It's obvious she can only make a defensive shot and a confident Caro would have moved to the net and finished the point. Instead she stays back and a slow, one-handed BH shot deep into Caro's court allows Begu time to get back into position. And Caro misses her follow-up shot. If she had broken to 3-1 there, it could have made a huge psychological difference: Caro might have gotten enough belief to play past her injury and Begu might have lost her belief that she could hang with a top 10 player.

Set 2, 0-0, 30-40: If Caro is to win the match, it's imperative that she doesn't fall behind right from the start of the set. Caro hits a good serve and Begu barely manages a return that lands halfway between the net and the service line. It's a complete sitter, Caro just needs to hit a simple FH to have gone from 0-40 to 40-40 and still be in the match... instead she hits it out.

Set 2, 2-3, 0-30: Caro has shown a bit of determination the last two points. Two more points and she'll be back on serve, it's her absolutely last chance to get back in the match. And then she fails to even get the ball in play on her next 3 ROSs, losing the game as well as the last two without being close to anything.

I also thought the lack of movement and 64 mph serve was telling.

Clearly she is a long way short of being confident in her range, accuracy, and shot making. The marked lack of retrieval movement removed any remaining hopes.

Contrary to opinion I don't see the breakdown of her game as sudden, but rather a slow deterioration in efectivness and reliability of shots. I assume we all remember the frying pan and the debut of yellow poly strings in Sydney? that brought about a compromise string switch and indicated untested and untrusted equipment. I'm yet to see a better explanation for the disappearance of what was the 2nd most effective and best disguised natural BH's on the WTA than the switch. I'm yet to see a better explanation of the decline in efficacy of her varied and unpredictably weighted forehand than the switch. There could be one... I haven't heard it yet though. :lol:

marineblue
Aug 29th, 2012, 04:34 AM
Losing to Begu in 2 sets.:eek::o Oh my, she really needs to get her act together. Forget all the 'aggressive game' if it only leads to errors and embarrassing losses.

marineblue
Aug 29th, 2012, 04:55 AM
Her form is what it is. You don't need to come up with excuses, explanations, reasoning, or like other posters here, hyperbole. :)

I'm very curious why some of the others post here anymore. going by the posting, it can't be for love, and it sure isn't for fun.

It will take as long as it takes to rebuild... No amount of the self serving bitching, statistics, or whinge posting here is going to change that fact, or speed things up.

Anyone who doesn't like long haul, would be wise to get off now. :)

For the Match.

Not that I was expecting any showing from a counter puncher with a dodgy knee, but it's unfortunate she wasn't able to show up healthy and test the progress she has made to her game. Injuries suck, and show why you can't just focus on Slams. They really aren't relevant as a target.

If she is going to continue with TJ I feel it needs to be full time however, because half of the state she is in seems to be due to confusion and mixed messages with her game, And I'm not sure anything but full time supervision is going to bed the new changes. Hopefully the stick can be dumped early enough for winter training.

Onward to the next tournament.

If... I think that all coaches she ever worked with this season didn't really help her to achieve anything. I think she should just work with Piotr who knows her the most. It is a fact that the best results she achieved was with her father having a main word. As soon as another coach was on the scene,the results went downhill.

I hope she'll recover from the knee injury, which I believe, could still be bothering her.

She should not withdraw from any upcoming events and try to do her best in Asia. Asia is a chance to get back to top 10 and if she did really well she could even make it to YEC. That would require adding other events to the schedule,though.

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 06:06 AM
If... I think that all coaches she ever worked with this season didn't really help her to achieve anything. I think she should just work with Piotr who knows her the most. It is a fact that the best results she achieved was with her father having a main word. As soon as another coach was on the scene,the results went downhill.


Things had been downhill most of the last half of 2011, long before Sanchez and TJ showed up.

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 06:25 AM
Seems that even the world #96 can play like a top player when you can't pressure her on neither serve nor ground strokes.
At least Caro's top 10 exit happened in emphatic style!
That's kind of been a problem for much of the past year or so. Caro just doesn't impose herself.

There have too many lower ranked players playing a lot better than usual against Caro. :(

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 06:41 AM
Her form is what it is. You don't need to come up with excuses, explanations, reasoning, or like other posters here, hyperbole. :)

I'm very curious why some of the others post here anymore. going by the posting, it can't be for love, and it sure isn't for fun.

It will take as long as it takes to rebuild... No amount of the self serving bitching, statistics, or whinge posting here is going to change that fact, or speed things up.

Anyone who doesn't like long haul, would be wise to get off now. :)

For the Match.

Not that I was expecting any showing from a counter puncher with a dodgy knee, but it's unfortunate she wasn't able to show up healthy and test the progress she has made to her game. Injuries suck, and show why you can't just focus on Slams. They really aren't relevant as a target.

If she is going to continue with TJ I feel it needs to be full time however, because half of the state she is in seems to be due to confusion and mixed messages with her game, And I'm not sure anything but full time supervision is going to bed the new changes. Hopefully the stick can be dumped early enough for winter training.

Onward to the next tournament.
The problem is that Johansson can't be a full time coach at present due to other committments (his young kids, the Stockholm tournament). So it's either Piotr as the full time coach (no Johansson at all), Johansson as the part time coach (Piotr as the coach when Johansson is unavailable), or some other full time coach. :shrug:

I'm not comfortable with getting rid of Johansson unless there's a suitable replacement. There seemed to me to be little sign of improvement after the Australian Open this year until Johansson came in the picture.

Do you really think Caro is interested in/considering a racquet change?

DownInAHole
Aug 29th, 2012, 08:49 AM
Yes it's unreasonable... Reactionary even.

You think it is "unreasonable" and "reactionary" to doubt something until we see proof? We get the odd glimpse of her practice sessions on youtube but for the most part all we can judge her on are her actual matches. The Caroline we actually see rarely, if ever, resembles the Caroline we hear about in her practices. It seems entirely reasonable to me to judge the Caroline that we can see rather than the Caroline we only hear about. We have heard about how much better she is in practice for over a year now, I think it is past time for us to see at least a glimpse of it in match play. Until that happens of course it is reasonable to doubt it.

marineblue
Aug 29th, 2012, 09:05 AM
Things had been downhill most of the last half of 2011, long before Sanchez and TJ showed up.

2011 was a great year for her. Did you forget that she won 6 titles? The second half of the year was not as successful however that year in general was successful.

This year her father is no longer the only coach and the results show clearly that Piotr was probably doing something right.

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 09:11 AM
2011 was a great year for her. Did you forget that she won 6 titles? The second half of the year was not as successful however that year in general was successful.

This year her father is no longer the only coach and the results show clearly that Piotr was probably doing something right.

not at all: she had 6 titles, 5 of them in the first half, then things started to go bad...by the end of last year her n°1 was in danger from a Kvitova, alias the most erratic player of the year. She had started to lose to players she used to own (Cibulkova, Hantuchova, McHale, Vinci, Flavia...), so no, last year things were already going bad, but i guess that she had that confidence of being world n°1 on her and if you look at it now, AO wasn't even close to be bad, since she showed up defending well and attacking more by rushing to the net and only a good Cljsters could oust her... then she lost the world n°1 and little by little the gap with the first players got bigger, not only in terms of points; her only good win, against Serena was almost 6 months ago, since then she hasn't beaten a single top 10, am i wrong?

DownInAHole
Aug 29th, 2012, 09:39 AM
not at all: she had 6 titles, 5 of them in the first half, then things started to go bad...by the end of last year her n°1 was in danger from a Kvitova, alias the most erratic player of the year. She had started to lose to players she used to own (Cibulkova, Hantuchova, McHale, Vinci, Flavia...), so no, last year things were already going bad, but i guess that she had that confidence of being world n°1 on her and if you look at it now, AO wasn't even close to be bad, since she showed up defending well and attacking more by rushing to the net and only a good Cljsters could oust her... then she lost the world n°1 and little by little the gap with the first players got bigger, not only in terms of points; her only good win, against Serena was almost 6 months ago, since then she hasn't beaten a single top 10, am i wrong?

Technically she hasn't defeated a single top ten player all year. At the time that Caroline defeated Serena she was ranked eleventh.

marineblue
Aug 29th, 2012, 05:50 PM
not at all: she had 6 titles, 5 of them in the first half, then things started to go bad...by the end of last year her n°1 was in danger from a Kvitova, alias the most erratic player of the year. She had started to lose to players she used to own (Cibulkova, Hantuchova, McHale, Vinci, Flavia...), so no, last year things were already going bad, but i guess that she had that confidence of being world n°1 on her and if you look at it now, AO wasn't even close to be bad, since she showed up defending well and attacking more by rushing to the net and only a good Cljsters could oust her... then she lost the world n°1 and little by little the gap with the first players got bigger, not only in terms of points; her only good win, against Serena was almost 6 months ago, since then she hasn't beaten a single top 10, am i wrong?

In 2011 things did not go bad at all. In the second half fatigue could also be a factor. She's won the most matches of all players anyway so I cannot really whine about that year. It's normal when a player slows down after a very busy and successful first half of a season,IMO.

This year she has been in trouble and I noticed that her game wasn't the same anymore. She seems less and less focused and her body language doesn't show confidence at times.

Yes, AO compared to UO is a very different story. She still had the confidence and stability in her game and lost to a tough opponent. Her win against Serena equals top 10 win because Serena is better player than all of top 10 regardless her ranking. And I don't like Serena at all.

I don't really care about the rank of opponent she's beaten. She just has to beat who's in front of her. If she doesn't beat an opponent who is not that great and she just throws all chances out of the window is a reason to worry,was the opponent no.1 or no.100 in the world.

CWTennis
Sep 17th, 2012, 11:32 AM
OOP for tomorrow:
Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Centre Court (from 11.00hrs)
1. Julia Goerges vs. Sílvia Soler-Espinosa
2. Han Sung-Hee vs. Kaia Kanepi
3. Caroline Wozniacki vs. Arantxa Rus
4. Kimiko Date-Krumm vs. Magdalena Rybarikova

TennisFan66
Sep 17th, 2012, 12:17 PM
Time difference between Korea and CET and UK time is 7 and 8 hours respectively. Play starts in Korea at 4AM CET. Caroline being up 3rd. 6:30AM'ish? CET .. Is this thing televised? I've never paid any interest in Korea Open before.

Jorn
Sep 17th, 2012, 12:28 PM
Match is scheduled on Bet365, but with a 3am CET start time... :o

Blu€
Sep 17th, 2012, 02:40 PM
Match is scheduled on Bet365, but with a 3am CET start time... :o

Yeah but 3am is when the session starts, 11 am in Seoul. So we can count on the other two matches lasting at least 3 hours between the two of them. So yes as Tennisfan66 said I'd imagine Caro would start playing at around 6.30 / 7.00 am, UK time. That's if the weather is good of course.

Jimmie48
Sep 17th, 2012, 02:43 PM
Yeah okay, that pretty much rules out me watching the match. Too late to stay up for and definitely too early to get up for...

Trey
Sep 17th, 2012, 08:14 PM
What time does she play in united states

Jorn
Sep 17th, 2012, 08:40 PM
about 12 midnight EST

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 04:00 AM
Now likely about 2am EST , as Julia G. in 3 sets match...

Hoergren
Sep 18th, 2012, 04:42 AM
First surprise (5)Georges out lost 61 67 26 to Soler. Interestings stats that says that Georges should have won with 7 aces, almost same serve%. Where it differs is in the breakpoints stats. Georges saved 4/9 and Soler 10/15 and win of BP Georges 5/15 and 5/9 - tells it all. If you are playing equally well you have to be able to finish things when you have a chance - Georges didn't do that and lost.

Several good things about Korea - LIVE TV from 1st round - see http://www.lshunter.tv/tennis-live-streaming-video.html
Hawkeye
Indoor arenas
$114.000 to the winner

Results until now
(7)Zakopalova def Muguruza 64 46 76
(8)Makarova def Herzog 64 61
Bertens def King 63 61
Kanepi vs Han 61 60 - Caro prepare yourself you are on in 15 minutes

C. W. Fields
Sep 18th, 2012, 05:27 AM
Kanepi wins 1 & 0. Caro next.

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 05:28 AM
Good Luck Caro! :)

Novichok
Sep 18th, 2012, 05:36 AM
Good luck Caro. :cheer:

jasminefu623
Sep 18th, 2012, 05:38 AM
quality of stream is quit bad tbh, but better than nothing i guess!

Novichok
Sep 18th, 2012, 05:40 AM
Caro is hitting harder today.

CWTennis
Sep 18th, 2012, 05:44 AM
Good luck Caro! :cheer:

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 05:46 AM
*2-0...

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 05:48 AM
3-0* with an ace!

C. W. Fields
Sep 18th, 2012, 05:48 AM
3-0. Caro has won 12 of 13 points.

Novichok
Sep 18th, 2012, 05:48 AM
Caro is so good so far. Keep it up. :eek:

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 05:51 AM
*3-1... bad game...

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 05:54 AM
1 bp saved... with an winner!

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 05:55 AM
good serve *40-40... Hold On Caro!

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 05:58 AM
What is wrong with Caro..... still? Shows no winner attitude...on court... :o

But 4-1... saves bps... :)

C. W. Fields
Sep 18th, 2012, 05:59 AM
4-1- Not too convincing at the net, but it's positive just to see her be agressive.

Protoss
Sep 18th, 2012, 05:59 AM
Whew. Caro holds for 4-1 1st set at 2nd Ad Caro from 15-40 to 30-40 (2nd serve) to 40-40 to Ad Caro to 40-40. :) Now get the insurance break Caro.

Protoss
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:00 AM
What is wrong with Caro..... still? Shows no winner attitude...on court... :o

But 4-1... saves bps... :)
Winner attitude? :confused:

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:03 AM
3 dfs... bp...

C. W. Fields
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:04 AM
5-1. AR's serve is off today (5 DFs so far).

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:05 AM
I don't know even to translate Winner attitude into danish ;)


Shows she want to win and first pumps and come ons, on rivals Ues ;)

Protoss
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:06 AM
Caro breaks for 5-1 1st set at Ad Caro from 0-30 to 15-30 to 15-40 (2nd serve) to 30-40 to 40-40 (2nd double fault of the game, #4 of the match) to Ad Rus to 40-40 (2nd serve) (double fault #5). :) Now hold Caro.

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:07 AM
good serve saves bp...

Protoss
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:10 AM
I don't know even to translate Winner attitude into danish ;)


Shows she want to win and first pumps and come ons, on rivals Ues ;)
I'd consider it a good thing if Caro isn't fist pumping or come-oning on opponent's unforced errors as I think that's disrespectful. :)

Protoss
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:11 AM
Whew. Caro holds for 6-1 1st set at Ad Caro from 15-30 to 40-30 to 40-40. :) Stay focused Caro. The match is 28 minutes 31 seconds long.

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:13 AM
6-1, *1-0...


Some come ons on winners atleast! :)

Protoss
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:15 AM
So how many winners and unforced errors for both players? Thanks. :)

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:17 AM
It hit or miss from Rus... mainly miss...

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:18 AM
I don't think they do any stats it just one camera behind the players...

Protoss
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:18 AM
Caro holds for 2-0 2nd set at 40-15 from 30-0 to 30-15 (2nd serve there). :) Get the insurance break Caro.

Caro breaks for 1-0 2nd set at 40-30 from 0-30 to 15-30 (2nd serve) to 30-30 (df #6). :)

Protoss
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:19 AM
I don't think they do any stats it just one camera behind the players...
Bummer. I thought if there was coverage then there'd be stats.

jasminefu623
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:21 AM
Bummer. I thought if there was coverage then there'd be stats.

tbh, the coverage is....bad....

Protoss
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:22 AM
And there's the insurance break. :) Caro breaks for 3-0 2nd set at 40-30 from 15-30 to 30-30 on a 2nd serve. :) Now hold Caro.

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:23 AM
Ithink Caro 5-5 w/Ues

Rus 15 Ues in 1. set.

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:26 AM
2 challengesr wasted, now Caro won't challenge a overrule... :o

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:28 AM
4-0* Rus hit a second serve return in the net...

Protoss
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:30 AM
Whew. Caro holds for 4-0 2nd set at Ad Caro from 30-15 to 30-30 to 40-30 to 40-40 (2nd serve) to Ad Rus (2nd serve) to 40-40 (2nd serve). :)

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:31 AM
0 challengers left :o

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:35 AM
5-1*

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:37 AM
15-15* CC winner on return! :)

Protoss
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:37 AM
Caro holds for 5-1 2nd set at 40-30 from 40-0. :) Break for the match Caro.

Rus held for 1-4 2nd set at 40-30 from 30-15 to 30-30.

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:39 AM
*5-2... Now Hold On Caro!

C. W. Fields
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:39 AM
6-1, 5-2. AR has won more games than last time.

Protoss
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:40 AM
Rus holds for 2-5 2nd set at 40-30 from 40-15 (double fault #8 there). Serve it out Caro.

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:41 AM
15-0... Ue Rus...

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:41 AM
30-0 Ue Rus...

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:42 AM
3 mps winner Caro!

Jorn
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:43 AM
gsm! Seems easy but won't...

poulao
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:43 AM
Nice win :)

Protoss
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:44 AM
Yay!!!!!!! Caro holds for 6-2 2nd set at love on a 2nd serve. :) Good job Caro. :) The match was 1 hour 3 minutes long.

C. W. Fields
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:46 AM
Caro wins easily 1 & 2. AR was so bad it's hard to say where Caro's game is at (odd how this girl managed to defeat Clijsters while Caro didn't!?). Next opponent is probably Garcia who has won first set 6-2 over Cadantu.

Protoss
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:47 AM
The 1st set seemed closer than 6-1 to me, maybe 6-3.

Only 1 ace for Caro today.

Novichok
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:47 AM
Yay!!!!!!! Caro holds for 6-2 2nd set at love on a 2nd serve. :) Good job Caro. :) The match was 1 hour 3 minutes long.

Do you think this was her most aggressive match of the year? She was pretty aggressive throughout.

Protoss
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:51 AM
Caro wins easily 1 & 2. AR was so bad it's hard to say where Caro's game is at (odd how this girl managed to defeat Clijsters while Caro didn't!?). Next opponent is probably Garcia who has won first set 6-2 over Cadantu.
Kim played horribly in getting up a set and 5-3 (I think). She then somehow proceeded to play even worse and choke away the match. :shrug:

I wonder if someone from Caro's team was watching Garcia while Caro was playing. If they weren't, then someone should get over there asap to scout her out.

poulao
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:52 AM
Do you think this was her most aggressive match of the year? She was pretty aggressive throughout.

Yes, there were signs of aggression. :lol:

Protoss
Sep 18th, 2012, 06:52 AM
Do you think this was her most aggressive match of the year? She was pretty aggressive throughout.
No streaming for me I'm afraid. :shrug:

At least this was a pretty stressfree match against a lower ranked player. :) We haven't had many of those of late.

C. W. Fields
Sep 18th, 2012, 07:41 AM
At least this was a pretty stressful match against a lower ranked player. :) We haven't had many of those of late.

I think you mean stressfree. I guess you've become too used to the word "stressful" in connection with Caro! ;)

Next is Garcia who won 2 & 3. For once that's a match I'm 100% certain Caroline is going to win!

manixdk
Sep 18th, 2012, 10:19 AM
Yay! The stream's on Bet365. But it was too late for me, I was on my way to work. :(

CWTennis
Sep 18th, 2012, 11:47 AM
OOP is out! Caro has a day off tomorrow!

Chrissie-fan
Sep 18th, 2012, 04:09 PM
Didn't see the match, but glad to hear that our girl apparently had a good one. :yeah:

Jorn
Sep 19th, 2012, 09:45 AM
Thursday CC at 1:15pm

Wozniacki, Caroline (DEN) vs. Garcia, Caroline (FRA) kl. 0615cet

Blu€
Sep 19th, 2012, 12:21 PM
Time wise, not good here in Europe :lol: I think I'll miss this one too. I hope I wake up with good news.

Jimmie48
Sep 19th, 2012, 01:05 PM
Yeah, this is really the most awful of time zones to have a tourney in. Won't be catching this one either...

Jorn
Sep 19th, 2012, 01:27 PM
Just set the timer clock at 6:20am in EU and you can watch some before going for work etc. ;)

Protoss
Sep 19th, 2012, 07:10 PM
Yeah, this is really the most awful of time zones to have a tourney in. Won't be catching this one either...
Tokyo is the same time zone and Beijing is one hour earlier.

manixdk
Sep 20th, 2012, 03:23 AM
Caro starts at 06.15 CEST, in less than an hour. Yay. If everything works out, she deals a double bagel to Garcia, and I get to work on time :) Streaming on Bet365.

Jorn
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:14 AM
Good Luck Caro Woz! :)

Trey
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:17 AM
Good Luck Caro Woz

Jorn
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:28 AM
Caro vs Garcia *30-30...

Trey
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:30 AM
1-0

CWTennis
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:32 AM
Good luck Caro! :cheer:

Trey
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:34 AM
1-1

Jorn
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:35 AM
*1-1...

Trey
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:36 AM
2-1

Trey
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:39 AM
2-2

Trey
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:41 AM
3-2

Trey
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:45 AM
4-2

C. W. Fields
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:46 AM
4-2. First break, and to love, even.

Trey
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:48 AM
5-2 one more game for the set

C. W. Fields
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:48 AM
Another love game, 5-2.

Zakopalova won, btw. She'll be Caro's QF opponent (assuming).

Jorn
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:51 AM
Caro 5-2 3 sps... Take one!

Trey
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:51 AM
6-2 First set

C. W. Fields
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:52 AM
6-2. Love game, again-again. 26 minutes played.

Protoss
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:54 AM
Caro breaks for 6-2 1st set at love on a 2nd serve, 2 double faults in this game. :) Stay focused Caro. The match is 26 minutes 22 seconds long.

Trey
Sep 20th, 2012, 04:55 AM
1-0 second set

Jorn
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:00 AM
6-2, 1-0... 40-40... Come on Caro!

Trey
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:04 AM
2-1

C. W. Fields
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:05 AM
4th ace and another love hold, 2-1. Caro has won 25/30 points on serve.

C. W. Fields
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:08 AM
Break to 15, 3-1.

Trey
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:08 AM
3-1 we up a break

Jorn
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:10 AM
3-1 Go Caro Woz! :)

C. W. Fields
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:12 AM
4-1. Two good serves from 30-30, pro stuff.

Trey
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:12 AM
4-1 one her much tougher serve to hold at 40-30 but if she keep playing this well I might can go bed much early than I thought

C. W. Fields
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:15 AM
4-2, love hold.

Jorn
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:17 AM
*4-2 3 bps.... Come on Woz!

Trey
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:17 AM
Broken at love come on now Woz 4-3

C. W. Fields
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:18 AM
Suddenly 8 points lost in a row, 4-3. Garcia returned much better this game despite some good serves.

Jorn
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:20 AM
4-3* 3 bps... Take one Caro!

Trey
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:22 AM
5-3 one more game Caro

C. W. Fields
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:22 AM
Re-break to 15, 5-3. Concentrate and serve out the match, Caro.

Jorn
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:22 AM
*5-3... Now Hold On!

Jorn
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:26 AM
mp! Take it Caro!

Protoss
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:29 AM
Stop choking Caro. :(

Burisleif
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:30 AM
Come on Caro...

Protoss
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:30 AM
Oh geez. 3 match points gone. :rolleyes: Hold Caro.

Trey
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:31 AM
Four MP GOne OMG

Protoss
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:32 AM
This is ridiculous. :( You're not trying to close out Serena, Caro. 4 match points gone. :rolleyes: Hold Caro.

Protoss
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:32 AM
Hold your f'n serve Caro.

Jorn
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:32 AM
mp again again, Take one Caro Woz!

Burisleif
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:33 AM
This is ridiculous. :( You're not trying to close out Serena, Caro. 4 match points gone. :rolleyes: Hold Caro.

Two players on court, not just the one...

Protoss
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:33 AM
5th match point. :) Now please take the match point Caro.

Trey
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:33 AM
Game Set & Match on fifth Match Point happy she pull it through

Burisleif
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:34 AM
:clap2:

C. W. Fields
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:35 AM
Caro survives 2 BPs and finally closes on her 5th MP. 6-2, 6-3. Caro was pretty convincing from 2-2 first set to 4-1 second set, then she got a bit wobblish. Zakopalova next. Caro is 2-0 H2H but they haven't played since the final in Copenhagen 10.

Protoss
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:38 AM
Whew. Finally. Caro holds for 6-3 2nd set at 5th Ad Caro from 30-15 to 30-40 to 40-40 to Ad Caro to 40-40 to 2nd Ad Caro (2nd serve) to 40-40 to 3rd Ad Caro (2nd serve) to Ad Garcia (double fault #1) to 40-40 to 4th Ad Caro to 40-40. :) Good job Caro. :) The match was 1 hour 8 minutes long.

Jorn
Sep 20th, 2012, 05:40 AM
Caro :)


But Kookie will be more tough!

Jimmie48
Sep 20th, 2012, 07:55 AM
Good stuff :)

Scoreline looks good but her MP conversion indicates that her mental issues are still there..well it would be a surprise if they weren't all of a sudden.

TennisFan66
Sep 20th, 2012, 08:48 AM
Suddenly 8 points lost in a row, 4-3. Garcia returned much better this game despite some good serves.

I didn't watch the match so obviously cannot have a strong opinion, but things like these paired with the inability to convert MPs, leads me to believe nothing has changed. Same ol' 2012 weak arse Caro .. :shrug: ...

Caro wasn't playing Serena Williams. It was WTA #180 ...

Jimmie48
Sep 20th, 2012, 09:40 AM
Yeah, we shouldn't really forget that this is just an International, and one one with a weak draw at that.

Still, I'm pretty confident that she'll win this. It's basically like Copenhagen but there's no opponent like Kerber waiting in the final.

Blu€
Sep 20th, 2012, 09:52 AM
The draw was pretty good considering it's an International, much better than a lot of others, just look at Guangzhou. It's a shame there has been some withdrawls.

Woz, Kiri, Kaia, Tamira, Nadia, Kookie, Katya, MJMS, Goerges have all proven their worth before.

Nothing is certain with Caro these days, she has a good chance for a final, probably against Kaia. Let's see if she doesn't make a mess of these two next matches.

Jimmie48
Sep 20th, 2012, 10:00 AM
Well yes the draw was decent on paper but it fell apart quickly. Even for an International it's pretty soft... just look at tournaments like Luxembourg or Linz that have much more top players.

C. W. Fields
Sep 20th, 2012, 10:11 AM
Same time tomorrow: 1.15 pm local time/6.15 am CET.
http://www.kdbkoreaopen.com/english/sub_04_det.html?Schedule_code=7

JadeFox
Sep 20th, 2012, 10:18 AM
Ugh i haven't even had the chance to catch the matches on livescore! Stupid time zones! :ras:

But she's winning. That's always a good thing.

Protoss
Sep 21st, 2012, 03:16 AM
Ugh i haven't even had the chance to catch the matches on livescore! Stupid time zones! :ras:

But she's winning. That's always a good thing.
What time zone are you in?

Jorn
Sep 21st, 2012, 03:50 AM
Good Luck Caro! :)


30 minuts to go!

Jorn
Sep 21st, 2012, 04:22 AM
Caro will serve first.

C. W. Fields
Sep 21st, 2012, 04:26 AM
My stream is frozen.

jasminefu623
Sep 21st, 2012, 04:26 AM
me too, any working stream?

Jorn
Sep 21st, 2012, 04:28 AM
df *30-30...

jasminefu623
Sep 21st, 2012, 04:29 AM
http://www.sportlemon.tv/v-4/4/100/v-450171.html
this one works!

Jorn
Sep 21st, 2012, 04:29 AM
1-0*

Jorn
Sep 21st, 2012, 04:32 AM
*2-0... 3 Kookie ues...

C. W. Fields
Sep 21st, 2012, 04:32 AM
2-0. Caro takes charge right from the start.

Jorn
Sep 21st, 2012, 04:34 AM
3-0*

Jorn
Sep 21st, 2012, 04:40 AM
*3-1...


Had 40-15*