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C. W. Fields
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:39 PM
Solid serving from both, no BPs yet.

TennisFan66
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:39 PM
That was a solid hold with the old balls ... 4-3 ... and some better serving than in previous games.

C. W. Fields
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:40 PM
Caro hasn't won a point on Makiri's 2nd seve yet, she'll need to change that.

jasminefu623
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:42 PM
if both of them serve like this, we may see a tb here

jasminefu623
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:43 PM
maria's first serve % must be high for this match, at least until now

Lazyking
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:44 PM
Just realised this was on... if Caro goes to New Haven next year, I gotta find a way to go.. its only an hour away.

Jorn
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:44 PM
2nd serve ace! 30-0...

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:44 PM
Ace on 2nd again :)

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:46 PM
5-4

jasminefu623
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:46 PM
5-4*

C. W. Fields
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:46 PM
5-4. Let's hope Makiri gets a little tight now that she'll serve to stay in the set.

Trey
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:46 PM
5-4 she needs to break

Martn7
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:46 PM
5-4

Both players are holding easily at the moment

C. W. Fields
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:47 PM
maria's first serve % must be high for this match, at least until now

77%

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:47 PM
Good match so far..she's very solid, little to no errors.... can't quite remember the last time she played this steady, this place does wonders for her :)

TennisFan66
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:47 PM
Solid hold again .. 5-4 ... 2 aces so far. Both on 2nd serve :) .. Now would be a great time break, Karolina!!

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:49 PM
DF from Kirilenko..

jasminefu623
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:49 PM
77%

WOW, thats good, i think it is becoz she play doubles match?

TennisFan66
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:50 PM
The shadow is larger than the mark ...

Jorn
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:50 PM
No 8 vs No 14 can be a looong and tough match...

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:51 PM
5-5

A possible TB could be very interesting the way these two serve today.

jasminefu623
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:51 PM
that ace is....

jasminefu623
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:52 PM
we may have the first break here...

TennisFan66
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:52 PM
Damn ... this is not good ... 15-30 in Caro's serve.

Make that 15-40 and 2 BP for Kirilenko

jasminefu623
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:53 PM
2 bts suddenly...

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:53 PM
Damn..facing first BP...worst possible time.

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:53 PM
what a rally!

jasminefu623
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:54 PM
2 bt saved!

jasminefu623
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:54 PM
what a return...break point again..

jasminefu623
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:55 PM
broken....5-6 now...

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:55 PM
fuck!

5-6

That might lose her all the hard work this set.

Jorn
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:55 PM
Kiri breaks 5-6.....

jasminefu623
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:55 PM
if caro lost the first set, will she retire?

Martn7
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:55 PM
5-6

Kirilenko will serve for the set

Trey
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:56 PM
5-6 I kinda saw this coming

C. W. Fields
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:56 PM
5-6. I must admit, even though Caro's been playing pretty well, Makiri's been a tad better so far. Let's hope she can't keep it up.

TennisFan66
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:56 PM
It was coming ... Kirilenko has been the more solid, so we cannot say it's not deserved ...

Unfortunately, I don't see Caroline win this match, unless Kirilenko's level drops quite a bit :shrug: .. SUCKS

marineblue
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:56 PM
Tough moments ahead.

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:56 PM
if caro lost the first set, will she retire?

I don't think so, she dosen't look bothered by the knee so far.

Protoss
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:57 PM
Stop being a useless returner Caro. :(

goldenlox
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:58 PM
I think Caro is giving up now

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:58 PM
It was coming ... Kirilenko has been the more solid, so we cannot say it's not deserved ...

Unfortunately, I don't see Caroline win this match, unless Kirilenko's level drops quite a bit :shrug: .. SUCKS

One of these days I'll teach you some confidence... ;)

TennisFan66
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:58 PM
My main wish for Kirilenko to lose is now to shut that F .. Bradnam on ES up ...

jasminefu623
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:58 PM
caro's return of serve is bad today..

Jorn
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:58 PM
Will Caro ret. if she lose that set...

goldenlox
Aug 24th, 2012, 06:59 PM
I wont be surprised if this is it

TennisFan66
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:00 PM
One of these days I'll teach you some confidence... ;)

Will you also teach me how to bury my head in the sand? ;)

jasminefu623
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:00 PM
I think Caro is giving up now

exactly my though, but whether caro will lost the match or choose to retire

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:00 PM
5-7

That was to be expected, the way these two held the first one to get broken would lose the set.

Jorn
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:00 PM
Call the trainer.... :sad:

marineblue
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:00 PM
set to Shriekilenko :o

Martn7
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:00 PM
5-7

Caro has to improve in the return games if she wants to have a chance to win this

goldenlox
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:00 PM
I dont see any point to keep going. She'd have to win 2 sets here, then Kvitova, then a major.I bet she's thinking it over now

C. W. Fields
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:01 PM
5-7. Caro didn't look like she really believed in it that last game. Unless Makiri's serve level drops (78% in and 84% won so far), this is gonna be a very tough match for Caro.

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:01 PM
Oh dear, I think this is it.

Come on girl, be smart. Major coming up and your draw is pretty manageable...

Fantasy Hero
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:02 PM
she's not even moving well on court :unsure: not really sure about what shuold be doing...

goldenlox
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:03 PM
She didnt even look focused a lot of those last 2 games. But thats been the problem all year. Instead of being mentally tough at crunch time, its a lot of sloppy errors.

TennisFan66
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:03 PM
Just a heads up. Kirilenko is still 1.25 paid for the win, and as 1st set is finished. It's valid.

Protoss
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:03 PM
Maria holds for 7-5 1st set at 40-15 from 30-0 to 30-15 (2nd serve). :( Win it in 3 Caro. The match is 49 minutes long.

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:03 PM
That's it...I'm proud of her for doing the right thing.

marineblue
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:04 PM
Shame it had to end this way but health comes first.

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:04 PM
Lets look at the bright side, she played very stable today..playing like that will get her to Serena at the USO.

Martn7
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:05 PM
It's a shame she had to retire but I guess it's the right decision

jasminefu623
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:05 PM
she's not even moving well on court :unsure: not really sure about what shuold be doing...

i agree, she did not chase a lot of shots today

Protoss
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:06 PM
Sigh. Caro retires. :sad: The match was 53 minutes long.

C. W. Fields
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:06 PM
She didnt even look focused a lot of those last 2 games. But thats been the problem all year. Instead of being mentally tough at crunch time, its a lot of sloppy errors.

At least the last game I'm pretty sure it was because she could feel in her knee that she couldn't complete the match.

So, no place in the history books for Caro with a five-years-in-a-row-win.

TennisFan66
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:06 PM
You can chose to believe it or not, but I got a bet in for Kirilenko just after Caro called for the trainer :) ... suuuuckers ... Get well Karolina. That was the right thing to do.

Protoss
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:07 PM
So how many winners and unforced errors for both players? Thanks. :)

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:08 PM
So, no place in the history books for Caro with a five-years-in-a-row-win.

Nobody will care about NH once she wins her first slam ;)

Honestly, it would have been nice but not something to risk serious injury for. People would have said it's "just NH" anyways.

Trey
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:08 PM
:sad:

goldenlox
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:09 PM
Pretty good chance she doesnt win a title all year.I think the best thing is to keep TJ as coach, and after the USO, train. She's dropped so far so fast. Going to have to rebuild.

CWTennis
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:09 PM
Get well soon Caro! :sad:

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:11 PM
She played pretty good this week but we have to wait and see how much was due to the NH effect. These weeks were her best last year as well and then the nose-dive continued.

She's very comfortable at the USO as well so I expect her to make the QF, the real test will be the Asian swing.

Protoss
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:11 PM
Kirilenko is so f'n lucky in her draw. :rolleyes:

Jorn
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:12 PM
Get well soon Caro! Sad she got that injury! :sad:

TennisFan66
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:12 PM
Nobody will care about NH once she wins her first slam ;)

Honestly, it would have been nice but not something to risk serious injury for. People would have said it's "just NH" anyways.

Yep. And Steffi just won Hamburg. Chris Evert just Charleston. But there it is. In the history books. I would definitely take 5 times in a row NH over a YEC win and maybe even a slam win .. but that's just me. I value consistency rather than 2 weeks of ball bashing.

It is highly unlikely Caro again will get a chance to be a 5 years in a row champion.

Protoss
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:12 PM
So tired of the losses to players Caro's owned: Flavia, Pavlyuchenko, Kirilenko, etc.

C. W. Fields
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:14 PM
Bummer about the knee, but Caro's play the first 10 games is actually some of the best tennis I've seen her play all year. Serve, FH and BH were all working really well, only her movement (naturally) and ROS was not impressive but she was up against an opponent serving and hitting really well.
If her knee gets better over the next couple of days and she can continue some of her good play in USO, I'm quite optimistic about a good result in NY.

Burisleif
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:15 PM
So, no place in the history books for Caro with a five-years-in-a-row-win.

You never know... Results can change. :)

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:15 PM
I would definitely take 5 times in a row NH over a YEC win and maybe even a slam win .. but that's just me.



What, that's crazy talk!

Nothing tops a slam, not even a gold medal. I would take the YEC win as well, that would be her biggest so far. I would have actually traded in another slam final for that fifth NH win.. in the end the tournament just dosen't have too much merit.

Protoss
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:22 PM
Bummer about the knee, but Caro's play the first 10 games is actually some of the best tennis I've seen her play all year. Serve, FH and BH were all working really well, only her movement (naturally) and ROS was not impressive but she was up against an opponent serving and hitting really well.
If her knee gets better over the next couple of days and she can continue some of her good play in USO, I'm quite optimistic about a good result in NY.
And yet she was still tied at 5-5 against Kirilenko despite some of her best tennis of the year. :rolleyes:

There's almost always some non-elite player who's serving &/or hitting well against her. :rolleyes:

marineblue
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:25 PM
Yep. And Steffi just won Hamburg. Chris Evert just Charleston. But there it is. In the history books. I would definitely take 5 times in a row NH over a YEC win and maybe even a slam win .. but that's just me. I value consistency rather than 2 weeks of ball bashing.

It is highly unlikely Caro again will get a chance to be a 5 years in a row champion.

I agree. All the talk about slam being always remembered is over the top. There are players who did win and are recognised but also other slam winners who are pretty much forgotten and not very popular. Why? Because during their career they were just too inconsistent to make fans care.

goldenlox
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:25 PM
Her level of play hasnt been terrible this year. Her & Kirilenko are probably close. Maria had tougher draws early in the year. Now their rankings are closer, and might pass each other later in the year.Its been a full year of this level tennis, with some really weak efforts here & there. This is about her level now. Against a player ranked about 15, like Kirilenko, & Ivanovic. thats a tough match for Caro in 2012

jasminefu623
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:26 PM
Craig Gabriel ‏@crosscourt1
Wozniacki re knee: "I could feel it from the start. It just started to get a bit worse and I decided to stop. It's better to let it rest."

TennisFan66
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:27 PM
What, that's crazy talk!

Nothing tops a slam, not even a gold medal. I would take the YEC win as well, that would be her biggest so far. I would have actually traded in another slam final for that fifth NH win.. in the end the tournament just dosen't have too much merit.

You can call it crazy talk, if you want. It's an opinion. My opinion.

How many times did Venus Williams, Serena Williams, Kim Clijsters, Henin, Sharapova, ... anyone else active on the tour now, win a tournament, ANY tournament, 5 years in a row?

Answers on back of a stamp.

Trey
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:27 PM
‏@TennisNewsTPN Woz presser (cont) when asked to look back on 5 yrs in New Haven, managed a smile "it sounds like I'm retiring"

goldenlox
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:27 PM
It would have been nice to go for 6 next year, but she really should start skipping New Haven, unless like 2011, she doesnt get any US wins before it.Its too much tennis before a major, like Brussels
This is a tournament top players want to skip, its not like Navratilova winning 6 Wimbledons in a row.Anyway, its over at 4, and she's probably not winning any title this year, unless she wins that Intl

Protoss
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:28 PM
Craig Gabriel ‏@crosscourt1
Wozniacki re knee: "I could feel it from the start. It just started to get a bit worse and I decided to stop. It's better to let it rest."
So why play then and ruin your record against Kirilenko? :(

Trey
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:30 PM
You can call it crazy talk, if you want. It's an opinion. My opinion.

How many times did Venus Williams, Serena Williams, Kim Clijsters, Henin, Sharapova, ... anyone one else active on the tour now, win a tournament, ANY tournament, 5 years in a row?

Answers on back of a stamp.

I agree with Jimmie48 at the end of the day U be Remember for winning a Slam more than winning a title 5 time in a row, she can always come back and win another New Haven even if it wasn't in a row.

Trey
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:30 PM
‏@TennisNewsTPN Woz presser (cont) as for US Open, she will get treatment & rest in next couple of days, then decide.

Trey
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:31 PM
@TennisNewsTPN Woz presser: felt she couldn't win match, wasn't fit & felt best decision was to retire; didnt know if she'd have played on if won 1st set

Protoss
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:32 PM
Her level of play hasnt been terrible this year. Her & Kirilenko are probably close. Maria had tougher draws early in the year. Now their rankings are closer, and might pass each other later in the year.Its been a full year of this level tennis, with some really weak efforts here & there. This is about her level now. Against a player ranked about 15, like Kirilenko, & Ivanovic. thats a tough match for Caro in 2012
It's a big loss of status.

There have been too many losses to decidely non-elite players.

TennisFan66
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:35 PM
I agree with Jimmie48 at the end of the day U be Remember for winning a Slam more than winning a title 5 time in a row, she can always come back and win another New Haven even if it wasn't in a row.

Unless you have a DeLorean parked out in your driveway and can lend it to Caro, she cannot come back and make it 5 times in a row. 5 out of 6 isn't the same. Which is why only 3 players in tennis history, and none of the currently active, has won a tournament 5 years in a row.

Again, it's an opinion. To me slams are not that important. Many players have won slams. Ivanovic, Li Na, Schiavone, Stosur .. No disrespect to any of them, but again - as a personal opinion and preference - I like a consistent player, rather than one who finds form for 2 weeks out of a whole career.

Trey
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:35 PM
^ I just hope she wins a title before the end of the year

Trey
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:37 PM
Wozniacki: I'm going 2 take the rest of the day &tomorrow off & see how it feels, get some treatment on it, ice. I'll be ready 4 the Open.

goldenlox
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:44 PM
It's a big loss of status.

There have been too many losses to decidely non-elite players.

Even If Caroline never wins another title, she reached #1, made a lot money. She already had a successful career. Unfortunately, sometimes players just dont have the hunger to stay near the top.If Caroline ever gets back there, she'll have to earn it, because no one is giving the #1 spot or majors away. These last 12 months, no titles.

Burisleif
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:44 PM
I agree with Jimmie48 at the end of the day U be Remember for winning a Slam more than winning a title 5 time in a row, she can always come back and win another New Haven even if it wasn't in a row.

A win is win. There is far more to sport than winning, And I'm sure Caro will be remembered for a lot more positives than her tittles. :)

marineblue
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:45 PM
You can call it crazy talk, if you want. It's an opinion. My opinion.

How many times did Venus Williams, Serena Williams, Kim Clijsters, Henin, Sharapova, ... anyone else active on the tour now, win a tournament, ANY tournament, 5 years in a row?

Answers on back of a stamp.

I agree, the numerous titles at a Premier tournament is better than a slam once in a blue moon and lack of consistent results. In my opinion consistency means more than a great run during one tournament.

Off topic but also:
I just did a random search about 'world no 1 in tennis' and look whose pic came up first. Then try to find Vika:oh:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&cp=14&gs_id=23&xhr=t&q=world+no+1+in+tennis&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&biw=1092&bih=533&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=Wso3UNvEBOXl4QT2wYGgBQ

Burisleif
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:46 PM
It's a big loss of status.

There have been too many losses to decidely non-elite players.

That's a pretty shallow assesment imho...

Trey
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:47 PM
A win is win. There is far more to sport than winning, And I'm sure Caro will be remembered for a lot more positives than her tittles. :)

Well Yeah for sure I think the whole talk was about would U rather her win a slam or 5 NH title in a row through but Yeah she be remember for alot in her career and as a person

goldenlox
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:51 PM
It depends on how her career develops. If being in the top 10 ends this year, Caroline might be known as a cautionary tale, that you need a coach, and to improve technique constantly. But who knows, she still has years ahead. Although right now, I think she has a lot of hard work ahead of her

Protoss
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:52 PM
Caro only got past 15 in 1 (the 1st one of the match) of Kirilenko's 6 service games :rolleyes:

Fantasy Hero
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:57 PM
i agree with you, but she was moving bad, mostly on quick movements, that pretty much explains the horrible returns; I try to be positive as her service was ok (despite the low percentage of 1st serve in) and she could also play some nice FHs

goldenlox
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:58 PM
Caro only got past 15 in 1 (the 1st one of the match) of Kirilenko's 6 service games :rolleyes:

She wasnt being outplayed thou. It was a close set and Kirilenko played better at the end.But thats been the theme of the year. Whether its Safarova or Goerges or Kerber or Kanepi or Paszek or Pavlyuchenkova or Kirilenko. A lot of close situations and Caroline loses too many of them in 2012

TennisFan66
Aug 24th, 2012, 07:58 PM
I agree, the numerous titles at a Premier tournament is better than a slam once in a blue moon and lack of consistent results. In my opinion consistency means more than a great run during one tournament.

Off topic but also:
I just did a random search about 'world no 1 in tennis' and look whose pic came up first. Then try to find Vika:oh:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&cp=14&gs_id=23&xhr=t&q=world+no+1+in+tennis&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&biw=1092&bih=533&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=Wso3UNvEBOXl4QT2wYGgBQ

As you used co.uk, I wanted to make it more fair and used .by (prefix for Belarus) ..

http://www.google.by/search?q=world+no+1+in+tennis&hl=be&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Jc43UOPUHMzJsga_pIDQDQ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=945&bih=691

There is a small difference, but :lol: .. anyhoo, did find a couple of Vika pictures.

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 08:00 PM
I have to say I find this petty bashing of Vika pretty shameful...would have expected better of you guys.

Protoss
Aug 24th, 2012, 08:08 PM
i agree with you, but she was moving bad, mostly on quick movements, that pretty much explains the horrible returns; I try to be positive as her service was ok (despite the low percentage of 1st serve in) and she could also play some nice FHs
Caro's 1st serve % was 64% for the match (61% at 5-5 1st set). That seems an acceptable level to me.

Maybe so, but Caro does have somewhat of a tendency to struggle quite a bit on return against players who aren't normally considered great servers. This predates her current slump.

C. W. Fields
Aug 24th, 2012, 08:10 PM
And yet she was still tied at 5-5 against Kirilenko despite some of her best tennis of the year. :rolleyes:

There's almost always some non-elite player who's serving &/or hitting well against her. :rolleyes:

Kirilenko is a player on the up and better than her current #14 ranking. If she can play like today on a consistent level, I'll say she's better than at least Ivanovic, Cibulkova, Bartoli and Errani, maybe more. It's no shame losing to a player playing this well.
Caro might be making it back to her old level but that doesn't mean she'll be #1 again. Many of the other players have improved a great deal compared to 1½ years ago: Azarenka, Radwanska, Sharapova, Kvitova, Kirilenko etc. We must hope that Caro not only can reach her old level but surpass it, and with TJ as her coach I think that's a possibility, it just won't happen overnight.

So why play then and ruin your record against Kirilenko? :(

She probably felt she owed it to the tournament to give it a try, and even training can't always tell you how bad an injury is, you'll only know when you go out on the court and play for real. Today the knee wasn't quite up to the challenge.

TennisFan66
Aug 24th, 2012, 08:10 PM
I have to say I find this petty bashing of Vika pretty shameful...would have expected better of you guys.

I like Vika :)

marineblue
Aug 24th, 2012, 08:14 PM
I do not, however, I don't think I was bashing her in any way by pointing out at a quite a considerable difference in the recognition both received in the real world not planet TF,lol. :shrug: This is not a Vika thread so..?

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 08:17 PM
No, but I don't like this tone...we shouldn't really start to take out our frustrations on other players.

The point is invalid anyways, Vika has roughly as much Twitter followers as Caro had this early into her run as #1...we shouldn't forget that she owes a large chunk of the recognition she gets now due to being in the tabloids all the time. I don't feel other players should be mocked for not doing that...

Trey
Aug 24th, 2012, 08:53 PM
Is it Possible Caroline could fall out the top 10 if she lose on the 4th round or QF, I not saying I won't it too happen just worried

Jimmie48
Aug 24th, 2012, 09:00 PM
Not a rankings expert but I don't think so, there seems to be quite a gap to 11th.

Trey
Aug 24th, 2012, 09:04 PM
Okay thank U I thank the farest she drop is 9th, I hope she gain enough points through after the open too get higher back in the ranking

Protoss
Aug 25th, 2012, 04:07 AM
What's up with articles saying Caro was moving well today? :confused:

Burisleif
Aug 25th, 2012, 05:02 AM
What's up with articles saying Caro was moving well today? :confused:

Relatively well considering the injury, becomes well via lazy journalism and cut and paste, or maybe they mean movement in terms of positioning which she has indeed improved upon again?

Protoss
Aug 25th, 2012, 08:46 AM
She played pretty good this week but we have to wait and see how much was due to the NH effect. These weeks were her best last year as well and then the nose-dive continued.

She's very comfortable at the USO as well so I expect her to make the QF, the real test will be the Asian swing.
I kind of think it's more of a Johansson effect. Her level of play picked up soon after he showed up for the grass season but then dropped quite a bit when he stayed in Europe for Montreal and Cincy. Johansson shows up in New Haven and Caro plays at a good level again.

terjw
Aug 25th, 2012, 12:59 PM
Watched a replay of the match and it was a good match. Tough decision for Caro but the right one. I have to say that Maria K played really well and it was close. Must be one of her best matches ever. I think Caro's movement was OK but not quite at its best. So I do think the knee stopped her being 110% in that department.

I think Caro played well this tournament. Now the top priority is her knee and I hope she's OK for the USO. Good luck Caro and thanks for the memories at NH. You so nearly made it 5.

terjw
Aug 25th, 2012, 01:07 PM
I kind of think it's more of a Johansson effect. Her level of play picked up soon after he showed up for the grass season but then dropped quite a bit when he stayed in Europe for Montreal and Cincy. Johansson shows up in New Haven and Caro plays at a good level again.

Good point.

DownInAHole
Aug 25th, 2012, 01:45 PM
I kind of think it's more of a Johansson effect. Her level of play picked up soon after he showed up for the grass season but then dropped quite a bit when he stayed in Europe for Montreal and Cincy. Johansson shows up in New Haven and Caro plays at a good level again.

But wasn't Johansson with her in Eastbourne (where she lost her first match)? She had the same results in Montreal and New Haven (semi-final). One event Johanssaon was with her and the other he wasn't.

Protoss
Aug 25th, 2012, 02:10 PM
But wasn't Johansson with her in Eastbourne (where she lost her first match)? She had the same results in Montreal and New Haven (semi-final). One event Johanssaon was with her and the other he wasn't.
Yes, Johansson was in Eastbourne. She didn't start off playing well in New Haven either.

The results may been the same but the level of play wasn't.

goldenlox
Aug 25th, 2012, 03:01 PM
TJ isnt a cure-all, but Caro needs someone who played pro tennis or coached pros before, advising her. So this cant hurt

Jimmie48
Aug 25th, 2012, 03:22 PM
What I really don't like is that Piotr has gone back to doing the on-court coachings.

goldenlox
Aug 25th, 2012, 04:14 PM
What I really don't like is that Piotr has gone back to doing the on-court coachings.
I'm not sure coaching visits mean anything, but this is probably a sign that Piotr still runs things. TJ has to get along with everyone to keep his job.
I remember that with Dementieva. A coach had to get along with Elena and her mom

C. W. Fields
Aug 26th, 2012, 08:19 AM
As expected, no Caro match scheduled for Monday (it's the upper half playing), so her knee gets an extra day of rest.

Hoergren
Aug 26th, 2012, 10:05 AM
Not a rankings expert but I don't think so, there seems to be quite a gap to 11th.

Well Jimmie you might have a look at this ranking - which is stripped for last years US Open - the gap is NOT that big - 135 to Bartoli so every point counts:

8 Sara Errani 3855
9 Samantha Stosur 3700
10 Caroline Wozniacki 3435
11 Marion Bartoli 3300

CWTennis
Aug 27th, 2012, 09:04 PM
Louis Armstrong Stadium, 11:00 AM
Men's Singles - 1st Round
David Goffin (BEL)vs. Tomas Berdych (CZE)[6]
Men's Singles - 1st Round
Sam Querrey (USA)[27] vs. Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE)
Women's Singles - 1st Round
Francesca Schiavone (ITA)[22] vs.Sloane Stephens (USA)
Not Before:6:00 PM
Women's Singles - 1st Round
Caroline Wozniacki (DEN)[8] vs. Irina-Camelia Begu (ROU)

C. W. Fields
Aug 27th, 2012, 09:28 PM
Louis Armstrong Stadium
Not Before:6:00 PM
Women's Singles - 1st Round
Caroline Wozniacki (DEN)[8] vs. Irina-Camelia Begu (ROU)

That's midnight CET (at the earliest, rain or a 5-setter can make it even later).

Jorn
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:12 AM
Good Luck Caro! :)



There can be 12 or 42 minuts before she plays...

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:15 AM
Previous match done, Caro next.

Come on girl, easy win today :)

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:16 AM
Finally .. Caro next! Good luck, Karolina ... :)

CWTennis
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:19 AM
Good luck Caro! :cheer:

Chrissie-fan
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:21 AM
Come on Caroline! :bounce:

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:24 AM
Come on Caroline

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:30 AM
The black dress ... not too bad, but it could be shorter and tighter :drool:

Knee is certainly strapped. Fingers crossed, it's primarily precautionary.

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:36 AM
Already 2 BP to Begu .. *sighs*

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:36 AM
First service game, instantly facing BP :sad:

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:37 AM
This could take a while..long rallies so far.

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:38 AM
woke up and ES not showing :facepalm:

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:39 AM
woke up and ES not showing :facepalm:

http://www.sportlemon.tv/v-4/4/26/v-442604.html

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:39 AM
1-0

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:39 AM
1-0

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:40 AM
Well, suppose holding after saving 3 BP is ok ...

Jorn
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:40 AM
woke up and ES not showing :facepalm:
ES 2 here will show it after a tb is finished on GS.

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:41 AM
ES for us...but you never know when it's happening :lol:

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:42 AM
1-1

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:42 AM
1-1

Pretty easy hold for Begu.

Novichok
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:45 AM
2-1

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:45 AM
She held to 15 ... Nice :) ...

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:45 AM
2-1

Now that was fairly easy.

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:45 AM
easy hold too (found a stream where commentators like caro :eek: )

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:47 AM
2-1

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:47 AM
Caro landed 14 of 15 1st serves, pretty good. Winning 64% of them, less good.

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:48 AM
easy hold too (found a stream where commentators like caro :eek: )

who is the commentators

Achernar
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:48 AM
Her dress looks really nice. Even if it's black the material seems quite light.

She's making too much errors already but that's a match she should win fairly easy.

Her movement seems good for now and she's looking to be aggressive.

Achernar
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:50 AM
easy hold too (found a stream where commentators like caro )

Your streaming must be from another dimension :lol:

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:51 AM
She struggles to reach angled shots to her FH ...

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:52 AM
Caro looks hot in that night dress :drool:

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:52 AM
Not much take-charge-girl about Caro yet.

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:52 AM
Please take the break point Caro.

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:53 AM
Geez. 3 break points gone, 2 of them on 2nd serves. :rolleyes: Break Caro.

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:54 AM
Already 21 minutes into the match...I miss the days when she routined scrubs like that.

Jorn
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:55 AM
Its rare, Caro going after too much on bps... Come On Caro!

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:55 AM
is it me or her boobs look bigger in that dress? :lol: anw Begu is playing well...

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:56 AM
easy hold too (found a stream where commentators like caro :eek: )

:lol: I think it's Virgina Wade ...

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:57 AM
is it me or her boobs look bigger in that dress?

I don't know if it's the dress but I feel like she's looking a little more bulky in general.

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:57 AM
2-2

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:57 AM
Caroline now lead 4-3 in being unable to convert break points :( ...

2-2 in games.

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:58 AM
not a great start :unsure:

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:58 AM
2-2. Caro should have gone to the net on that FH DTL on the 2nd BP, it was clear Begu could only hit a defensive shot there.

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:59 AM
0-40 sigh...

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:59 AM
So, Jimmie the confident one, what do you say tonight?

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:00 AM
2-3

Broken to love..

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:00 AM
4 errors and 3 broken.

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:00 AM
broken 2-3 it gone be a long night

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:00 AM
after wasting so many chances she misses 4 shots in a row :unsure: she looks more aggressive tonight, but Begu isn't missing a shot

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:00 AM
What the heck is your problem Caro? :( From 4 break points (two 2nd serves for 3-2 1st set to broken at love for 2-3 1st set. :rolleyes: Break Caro.

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:01 AM
after wasting so many chances she misses 4 shots in a row :unsure: she looks more aggressive tonight, but Begu isn't missing a shot
Begu has 8 unforced errors through 5 games. :shrug:

Time for Caro to go to safe mode:?

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:01 AM
So, Jimmie the confident one, what do you say tonight?

She'll win this somehow, even if it has to be in three.

But that's one of the problems, she needs way too much effort for matches like this. I know it's an unfair comparison but if I look at how Vika played last night, first set in 25 minutes, that's how you save energy during slams.

But I guess everything's a grind these days, even R1 matches.

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:02 AM
:shrug: staying up for this sh1t ... Joke's on me.

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:04 AM
She'll win this somehow, even if it has to be in three.

But that's one of the problems, she needs way too much effort for matches like this. I know it's an unfair comparison but if I look at how Vika played last night, first set in 25 minutes, that's how you save energy during slams.

But I guess everything's a grind these days, even R1 matches.

I too of course hope, Caroline will find a way to win the match, but you're right ... she's completely out of the match so far and will have to just fight for her life to get through a R1 .. while having a dodgy knee ...

and to think about, we thought there was a chance for a QF :lol:

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:04 AM
2-4

Begu holds to love... very worrying...

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:04 AM
2-4 Oh Lord

jasminefu623
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:05 AM
lost 8 straight points!

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:05 AM
Begu looks unplayable and that's more Caro's fault than her merit...:unsure: not looking good

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:05 AM
10 points in a row for Begu!

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:05 AM
Wake the f up Caro. :(

jasminefu623
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:07 AM
my stream just stopped

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:07 AM
She's losing the long rallies now...that's not a good sign.

jasminefu623
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:08 AM
does anyone got a working stream, plz?

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:08 AM
white and pink dress, ponytail, hitting winners allover the court, are we sure it's begu and not Vika?

goldenlox
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:10 AM
This could be 2 slam losses in round 1 in a row. But maybe this is the best she can do. Like Jankovic. They arent trying to lose, its hard to win, and you need the right balance of focus & hunger. Hard to find that balance and keep it

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:10 AM
Begu is WTA #96 .. That's how far we've fallen .. *sighs*

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:10 AM
This could be 2 slam losses in round 1 in a row. But maybe this is the best she can do. Like Jankovic. They arent trying to lose, its hard to win, and you need the right balance of focus & hunger. Hard to find that balance and keep it

She can't lose this...she simply can't...Begu lost her R1 match in Dallas ffs.

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:10 AM
does anyone got a working stream, plz?

http://www.sportlemon.tv/v-4/4/26/v-442604.html

Achernar
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:11 AM
does anyone got a working stream, plz?

http://www.sportlemon.tv/v-4/4/26/v-442604.html

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:11 AM
DF...jesus.

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:11 AM
Why are you so allergic to taking your chances Caro? :rolleyes:

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:11 AM
Stream ?

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:12 AM
Facing BP...

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:13 AM
now she's not moving well...i fear she's retiring :unsure:

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:13 AM
2-5

I'm getting the booze out...

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:13 AM
this set over 2-5 I can't nomore

jasminefu623
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:13 AM
that doesn't look good at all

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:14 AM
Caro broken for 2-5 1st set after having 3 game points. :rolleyes: Break Caro.

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:14 AM
There's a BP for a double break .. and converts ... Begu leads 5-2 and will serve for 1st set. ...

Unbelievable ... Maybe Adidas should re-think that offer about a new 5 year contract ..

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:14 AM
I really hope Caro signs that big Adidas contract quickly...who knows how long it will be on the table if this continues.

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:14 AM
now she's not moving well...i fear she's retiring :unsure:
That would at least save some embarassment.

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:14 AM
I'm afraid Caro's knee is still bad, she can't hit through her FH at all.

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:15 AM
Nothing quite like getting owned by a claycourter on hard court. :rolleyes:

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:16 AM
Next year she better not schedule New Haven again. :( It would be a pretty good idea to schedule under 20 tournaments too.

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:16 AM
Is this a new low point for 2012?

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:17 AM
very worried at this point

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:17 AM
Is this a new low point for 2012?

I don't know, we`ve said that a bunch of times...

Meanwhile, even the Eurosport commentators are discussing the potential distraction of the golfer being there all the time.

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:18 AM
That it 6-2

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:18 AM
2-6

Jesus christ... okay, let's start thinking about the unthinkable: Would losing this match mean dropping out of the Top 10 instantly?

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:19 AM
2-6. Begu plays ok but so many bad shots from Caro. Can she raise her level with a bum knee?

I've switched to ESP without commentator, can't stand to hear anyone talk about this!

Novichok
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:19 AM
2-6

Jesus christ... okay, let's start thinking about the unthinkable: Would losing this match mean dropping out of the Top 10 instantly?

Yes.

goldenlox
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:19 AM
If she loses this match, I dont know what the next step is. She stopped doing what worked, and she's never won playing like this.This is sloppy error filled tennis. She might never a tournament with this style.

Blu€
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:19 AM
Well she can't play any worse in the second set right?
Cut down the stupid errors girl, this match is still very winnable.

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:20 AM
2-6

Jesus christ... okay, let's start thinking about the unthinkable: Would losing this match mean dropping out of the Top 10 instantly?

If Bartoli just wins a match or two, Bartoli will be 10 .. Wasn't the difference only 135 points? ... but let's be honest, when Caro is being schooled by WTA #96, she doesn't belong in top 10 anyway :shrug:

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:20 AM
she spraying errors like krazy

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:21 AM
Disgusted. Begu holds for 6-2 1st set at 40-30 from 30-0 to 30-30 (2nd serve there). :( Win it in 3 Caro. The match is 43 minutes long.

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:21 AM
SHe's being outplayed...

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:22 AM
0-40

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:22 AM
it looks like her matches from two years ago, just reversed: She tries to hit through a wall but fails...not good.

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:23 AM
I guess we can only hope that Begu starts choking at some point.

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:23 AM
0-1

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:24 AM
Y she didn't go crosscourt on that FH

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:24 AM
Missed sitter and broken. 6 Begu games in a row!!

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:24 AM
and broken already..

TennisFan66
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:24 AM
Might as well just retire. What's the point in continuing :shrug:

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:26 AM
30-30

goldenlox
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:27 AM
What a mess. I was pessimistic, but I didnt think it was this bad. She has no game anymore.She was #1 for 67 weeks, and now she needs a super soft draw to get anywhere

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:27 AM
It over 2-0

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:27 AM
0-2

Lost seven games in a row..against the #96 at her favorite GS. This has disaster written all over it.

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:28 AM
Caro calls for a trainer after next game.

Protoss
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:28 AM
Is this a new low point for 2012?
Yes. Begu had 3 top 30 wins in her career, none of them top 10 players. Begu has never beaten a top 30 player on hard court coming into this tournament. Begu's best win on hard court in terms of rankings was #53 Baltacha at the beginning of this year and had only taken 1 set off a top 50 player on hard court, the 1st set against #43 Scheepers early this year.

Blu€
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:28 AM
Another error, god just a huge mess. That said Begu is playing probably the best match of her year.

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:28 AM
0-2

Lost seven games in a row..against the #96 at her favorite GS. This has disaster written all over it.

and she doesn't even look worried...

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:28 AM
Caro calls for a trainer after next game.

I hope she'll retire, I'm afraid she'll get bagled here.

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:29 AM
63 mph 2nd serve, she's clearly handicapped.

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:29 AM
40-30

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:30 AM
1-2

At least she's on the board..

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:30 AM
1-2

C. W. Fields
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:30 AM
1-2. First game since she held to 2-1 first set.

Fantasy Hero
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:30 AM
no bagel :cheer:

Jimmie48
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:31 AM
Getting treatment now...

Jorn
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:31 AM
She has inflamtion in the knee...

Trey
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:31 AM
trainer on court