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Just Do It
May 31st, 2012, 06:39 PM
Justin Combs has been offered a full football scholarship to UCLA, but his dad is worth $550 million. Do you think he should decline it?

P Diddy‘s son, Justin Combs, has caused some controversy after receiving a $54,000 football scholarship to UCLA. Diddy has a net worth of $550 million and was named the wealthiest artist in hip-hop last month by Forbes. Is it really necessary to give his child money that could be given to other students who financially need it?

UCLA defended their decision, via their rep Ricardo Vazquez, by explaining that Justin deserved the scholarship based on his talent. “There is a big separation between financial aid based on need and how that’s funded and how athletic scholarships are funded and awarded to students. Unlike need-based scholarships, athletic scholarships are awarded to students strictly on the basis of their athletic and academic ability – not their financial need.”

He continued, “Athletic scholarships, such as those awarded to football or basketball players, do not rely on state funds. Instead, these scholarships are entirely funded through UCLA Athletics ticket sales, corporate partnerships, media contracts and private donations from supporters.”

Even if the scholarships aren’t based on need, Justin could still turn it down so it could potentially be redistributed to other students. However, if he earned it on his own merits, does he deserve to keep it no matter how much money his father makes?

Do you think it’s fair that he receive the scholarship? Should he keep it? Sound off below!

This story made me :scratch: I had a similar case at my university where one extremely rich girl, whose father is a professor at the very same university got one of three scholarships to study abroad, everyone was pissed because she could afford that and other people who applied couldn't.

JN
May 31st, 2012, 06:44 PM
If he earned it, yes. Maybe Diddy will donate a scholarship in the same amount to a deserving student whose family can't afford it. :shrug:

wild.river
May 31st, 2012, 06:45 PM
Athletic scholarships, such as those awarded to football or basketball players, do not rely on state funds. Instead, these scholarships are entirely funded through UCLA Athletics ticket sales, corporate partnerships, media contracts and private donations from supporters.

:shrug: if it's private money, of course he should take it. he earned it.
but he definitely won't now that the media knows about it.

NyCPsU
May 31st, 2012, 06:51 PM
Right. If he earned it, good on him. I have a problem with poor people getting special treatment in such cases so I cant be a hypocrite and say a rich person should be exempt.

Some of the same people who scream for higher taxes for the rich will not have a problem with this, now thats hypocrisy, but I digress...

HippityHop
May 31st, 2012, 06:56 PM
"athletic scholarships are awarded to students strictly on the basis of their athletic and academic ability"

Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

WowWow
May 31st, 2012, 06:57 PM
Yes. He's not his father and maybe he'd rather make it on his own than count on a parent/s to pay for his education. If he earned it, he deserves it.
The only reason I could see against it is if he got accepted for his name and not entirely because of his talent, in which case he should return the money.
I guess we'll never know.

Ryan
May 31st, 2012, 07:04 PM
I agree with their decision to give it to him - private money, he earned it based on his athletic ability/academics/other criteria. However, I'd like if he gave it back, simply because he absolutely doesn't need it. But, whatever. :shrug:

Dodoboy.
May 31st, 2012, 07:44 PM
He should give it back.

Berlin_Calling
May 31st, 2012, 08:26 PM
Merit based scholarships are need blind and ones who earn them fully deserve them, regardless of what kind of family they come from. Justin Combs is receiving bad press just because his father is Diddy, and it is not fair. I have plenty of friends who are brilliantly gifted in academics or athletics that received private full-ride scholarships, and some of them come from families much wealthier than the Combs'. This is not a new phenomenon.

miffedmax
May 31st, 2012, 08:29 PM
He's hardly the first kid from a wealthy family to get an athletic scholarship, and if his dad had made his money exporting jobs to China or something it wouldn't even be in the news. I am not particularly knowledgeable about P Diddy, nor am I huge fan of his music, but he seems to have earned his wealth all by the sweat of his own brow and provides employment to fellow musicians, stage crews, co-writers, sound engineers and others. I would also imagine that even if it's for no other reason than tax purposes, he has probably donated far more than $54,000 to various charities and fundraisers in the last year alone. Unlike many celebrities, he seems to have raised a son who has a good head on his shoulders and doesn't run around blowing his dad's money on drugs and late-night partying, instead maintaining the focus and dedication required to be an NCAA Division I-class athlete and enough of a scholar to get into a highly rated school like UCLA.

Nothing wrong with this picture that I can see.

JN
May 31st, 2012, 08:50 PM
Right. If he earned it, good on him. I have a problem with poor people getting special treatment in such cases so I cant be a hypocrite and say a rich person should be exempt.

Some of the same people who scream for higher taxes for the rich will not have a problem with this, now thats hypocrisy, but I digress...

:bs:

Apples and oranges; no public monies involved, but nice try.

Ellen Dawson
May 31st, 2012, 09:42 PM
"athletic scholarships are awarded to students strictly on the basis of their athletic and academic ability"

Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/money/jobs-and-careers/should-p-diddys-son-justin-combs-give-back-athletic-scholarship#

But not everyone is outraged. CNN education contributor Dr. Steve Perry doesn’t like the way the masses are strong-arming Combs into giving back the money. According to Perry’s analysis, Combs earned that money fair and square by graduating from high school with a 3.75 GPA while playing cornerback at an elite level.

"He's done what he needs to do to be successful and in 'Ameritocracy' we have to accept that no matter who your father is, whether he be rich, poor or absent, that you can in fact be successful on your own merit," Perry said.

That being said, I do wish that Puffy follows Denzel Washington's lead and gives the scholarship back. Congrats to Justin, btw. :)

mykarma
May 31st, 2012, 10:42 PM
Right. If he earned it, good on him. I have a problem with poor people getting special treatment in such cases so I cant be a hypocrite and say a rich person should be exempt.

Some of the same people who scream for higher taxes for the rich will not have a problem with this, now thats hypocrisy, but I digress...

How is that hypocrisy when he earned it just as everyone should pay their fair share and the rich don't because of all the loop holes that the rich created for themselves. Like Romney sending his money off shore to avoid paying taxes now that's hypocrisy. The fact that the rich have millions and pay nothing or hardly nothing is hypocrisy but American's are so brainwashed that they think it's just fine because they're rich. The fact that the government gives rich people larger breaks is the greatest hypocrisy.

Ellery
May 31st, 2012, 10:51 PM
Merit based scholarships are need blind and ones who earn them fully deserve them, regardless of what kind of family they come from. Justin Combs is receiving bad press just because his father is Diddy, and it is not fair. I have plenty of friends who are brilliantly gifted in academics or athletics that received private full-ride scholarships, and some of them come from families much wealthier than the Combs'. This is not a new phenomenon.

This. Merit is merit regardless of how rich his daddy is :shrug:

Smith Saybrook
Jun 1st, 2012, 03:02 AM
Athletic sponsorships for NCAA Division I schools are given based on athletic ability. He's earned it and it's fair. If he declines it gives UCLA an opportunity to spend that football scholarship money on another good prospect which could technically give them a boost in their roster.

Maddox
Jun 1st, 2012, 05:14 AM
Good to know Diddy is raising his kids well (or his ex rather), can't imagine Puffy showing excellent fathering skills.

The kid did well and it's cool that he got it

Expat
Jun 1st, 2012, 10:27 AM
It is fair. Why should he be punished for his father's wealth?

Sam L
Jun 1st, 2012, 10:32 AM
He's hardly the first kid from a wealthy family to get an athletic scholarship, and if his dad had made his money exporting jobs to China or something it wouldn't even be in the news. I am not particularly knowledgeable about P Diddy, nor am I huge fan of his music, but he seems to have earned his wealth all by the sweat of his own brow and provides employment to fellow musicians, stage crews, co-writers, sound engineers and others. I would also imagine that even if it's for no other reason than tax purposes, he has probably donated far more than $54,000 to various charities and fundraisers in the last year alone. Unlike many celebrities, he seems to have raised a son who has a good head on his shoulders and doesn't run around blowing his dad's money on drugs and late-night partying, instead maintaining the focus and dedication required to be an NCAA Division I-class athlete and enough of a scholar to get into a highly rated school like UCLA.

Nothing wrong with this picture that I can see.

Extremely balanced and well thought out post that I totally agree with. This in a sea of agenda pushing posts.

The way I see it, I don't agree with scholarships at all. I believe in free, public funded education available to all students no matter their background. Education should be a nation's No. 1 spending, not military or any other BS. But that's another thread.

duhcity
Jun 1st, 2012, 11:39 AM
"athletic scholarships are awarded to students strictly on the basis of their athletic and academic ability"

Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

Do you know anything about D1 sports? Athletes are by far are kept more stringently under conduct and academic standards. And as someone pointed out, he got a 3.75 GPA, and is going to UCLA.

A complete victimization based on his class.

JN
Jun 1st, 2012, 12:40 PM
Good to know Diddy is raising his kids well (or his ex rather), can't imagine Puffy showing excellent fathering skills.

The kid did well and it's cool that he got it

Do you know him personally?

wta_zuperfann
Jun 1st, 2012, 12:43 PM
Nothing new. Here in Minnesota we have plenty of upper middle class and other elite suburbanites sending their kids to college at taxpayer expense. To me, scholarships should be based on need, not greed. But these giveaways, like corporate welfare, happen every year in every state.

mykarma
Jun 1st, 2012, 01:18 PM
Good to know Diddy is raising his kids well (or his ex rather), can't imagine Puffy showing excellent fathering skills.

The kid did well and it's cool that he got it
I'm not that fond of Diddy but haven't heard anything negative about him as a parent. I'm also not surprised that he demanded good grades from his son as Diddy himself is no slouch when it comes to education. Diddy himself went to Howard University so I imagine that his parents instilled those same values in him. I know the stereo type for young black rappers is negative but you can't judge a book by its cover. Congrats to Diddy and Justin he's done a fine job.

Infiniti2001
Jun 1st, 2012, 01:45 PM
He earned it...

The End !!

Number19
Jun 1st, 2012, 03:34 PM
It is fair. Why should he be punished for his father's wealth?

What punishment? His father can easily pay it. The kid won't be hurt any way possible. Punished for wealth is a non sequitur.

That said, this story exists because it involves someone in the public eye. These scholarships are standard and based on merit. Some people have are argued these athletes should be paid because of the money generated by NCAA sports, well, this is their pay - their scholarships.

duhcity
Jun 1st, 2012, 03:47 PM
Nothing new. Here in Minnesota we have plenty of upper middle class and other elite suburbanites sending their kids to college at taxpayer expense. To me, scholarships should be based on need, not greed. But these giveaways, like corporate welfare, happen every year in every state.

How is this a giveaway?
And so you advocate giving scholarships to those who have worse grades, worse scores, and a worse resume overall just because they have less money?

HippityHop
Jun 1st, 2012, 03:56 PM
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/money/jobs-and-careers/should-p-diddys-son-justin-combs-give-back-athletic-scholarship#



That being said, I do wish that Puffy follows Denzel Washington's lead and gives the scholarship back. Congrats to Justin, btw. :)

I'm not saying that Combs in particular is not necessarily good academically. But anybody who believes that the best and brightest in academia is found in the athletic department, well...............

If you're a great athlete (EDIT: particularly in the revenue generating sports) you can be as dumb as a bag of rocks and get a "scholarship" :rolleyes:

miffedmax
Jun 1st, 2012, 04:25 PM
Do you know anything about D1 sports? Athletes are by far are kept more stringently under conduct and academic standards. And as someone pointed out, he got a 3.75 GPA, and is going to UCLA.

A complete victimization based on his class.

How is this a giveaway?
And so you advocate giving scholarships to those who have worse grades, worse scores, and a worse resume overall just because they have less money?

To a large extent, it depends on where you go and what sport you play.

As I understand it, the NCAA loves to keep the focus on overall figures because the students in nonrevenue sports do, in fact, do as well or better than their peers when it comes to graduating and GPAs.

But graduation rates for players in the two big revenue sports (football and basketball) are all too often a joke. I mean seriously, when was the last time a fencing program got put on probation for recruiting or academic violations?

HippityHop
Jun 1st, 2012, 04:31 PM
To a large extent, it depends on where you go and what sport you play.

As I understand it, the NCAA loves to keep the focus on overall figures because the students in nonrevenue sports do, in fact, do as well or better than their peers when it comes to graduating and GPAs.

But graduation rates for players in the two big revenue sports (football and basketball) are all too often a joke. I mean seriously, when was the last time a fencing program got put on probation for recruiting or academic violations?

The point!

JN
Jun 1st, 2012, 05:00 PM
Why Should Diddy’s Son Turn Down His $54,000 A Year Scholarship?

Thu, May 31 2012 by Necole Bitchie

http://necolebitchie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Justin-Combs-Parents.jpeg

Justin Combs worked hard to maintain a 3.75 GPA at Rochelle Iona Prep School while becoming a star player on the football field, so like any other student with his grades and athletic ability, he was awarded a full scholarship worth $54,000 a year to UCLA. And it caused a huge controversy….but why?

Folks are beyond outraged that UCLA awarded Justin Combs a full ride because his father, Diddy, is worth over $500 million dollars. Meanwhile UCLA, which awards an estimated 285 full athletic scholarships a year to outstanding athletes, defended their decision to award Justin the scholarship saying that the scholarship is not based on ‘financial need’ nor is it funded by the State:There is a big separation between financial aid based on need and how that’s funded and how athletic scholarships are funded and awarded to students. Unlike need-based scholarships, athletic scholarships are awarded to students strictly on the basis of their athletic and academic ability, and not on a student’s financial need,” Vazquez said.
Justin also took to Twitter to defend his award, saying that it wasn’t favoritism that got him that scholarship; he worked as hard as everyone else:“Regardless what the circumstances are, I put that work in!!!! PERIOD. Regardless of what you do in life every1 is gonna have their own opinion. Stay focused, keep that tunnel vision & never 4get why u started.”
If the boy earned the grades and excelled on the field, he definitely deserved that scholarship. His reward for maintaining good grades should not be taken away because of his father’s fortune. Meanwhile, if Diddy wants to step up and sponsor another student, that’s a whole other story but Justin shouldn’t have to catch flack for something he rightfully earned.

(Source (http://necolebitchie.com/2012/05/31/why-should-diddys-son-turn-down-his-54000-a-year-scholarship/#more-200646))

Maddox
Jun 1st, 2012, 05:34 PM
Do you know him personally?

I did not make any claims that I do :cuckoo:


I'm not that fond of Diddy but haven't heard anything negative about him as a parent. I'm also not surprised that he demanded good grades from his son as Diddy himself is no slouch when it comes to education. Diddy himself went to Howard University so I imagine that his parents instilled those same values in him. I know the stereo type for young black rappers is negative but you can't judge a book by its cover. Congrats to Diddy and Justin he's done a fine job.

Well firstly I never said he was a bad father and I did write (If you bothered to read the first line) that "lt's good to know he is raising his kids well" and I also wrote "I can't imagine him", that is my opinion (which I am entitled to).
And I I know of rap fathers who take care of their kids. Don't put words in my mouth :o

égalité
Jun 1st, 2012, 06:22 PM
Nothing new. Here in Minnesota we have plenty of upper middle class and other elite suburbanites sending their kids to college at taxpayer expense. To me, scholarships should be based on need, not greed. But these giveaways, like corporate welfare, happen every year in every state.

There are plenty of need-based scholarships out there. Then there are some merit-based scholarships. This kid earned his scholarship. Why shouldn't he get it?

JN
Jun 1st, 2012, 06:45 PM
I did not make any claims that I do :cuckoo:




Well firstly I never said he was a bad father and I did write (If you bothered to read the first line) that "lt's good to know he is raising his kids well" and I also wrote "I can't imagine him", that is my opinion (which I am entitled to).
And I I know of rap fathers who take care of their kids. Don't put words in my mouth :o

Sharing uninformed opinions like yours does nothing to disarm those who love to spread blanket stereotypes of our people or certain subsets within. WTG, "brotha."

In The Zone
Jun 2nd, 2012, 06:17 PM
There are plenty of need-based scholarships out there. Then there are some merit-based scholarships. This kid earned his scholarship. Why shouldn't he get it?

People can't articulate themselves. He did earn his scholarship, for sure. However, I feel he should turn it down and allow someone else to have it.

ampers&
Jun 2nd, 2012, 07:04 PM
People can't articulate themselves. He did earn his scholarship, for sure. However, I feel he should turn it down and allow someone else to have it.
Agreed.

Dominic
Jun 2nd, 2012, 11:20 PM
If he earned it, yes. Maybe Diddy will donate a scholarship in the same amount to a deserving student whose family can't afford it. :shrug:

He really should

Wigglytuff
Jun 3rd, 2012, 03:22 PM
:shrug: if it's private money, of course he should take it. he earned it.
but he definitely won't now that the media knows about it.

He will take it. Because will smiths son took his scholarship, and as far as I know his did not donate the money or set up a program.

Life isn't fair for everyone. It's fair for him to get his scholarship. Sure some people think it would be nice of him to donate that money to a needy student. But let's be real the rich don't get that way by being charitable all the time to everyone. Those are NUNS.

He should feel no shame for taking the scholarship, it the rest of America that should feel shame for creating a system in which college has become more and more unaffordable to so many by constantly "cutting taxes on the job creators" and paying for it by "cutting spending on social programs" like pell grants and other need based programs. It is NOT the responsibility of any one rich person to make life fair for everyone else, but it IS the governments to collect tax in such a way that MORE children can afford to go to college without the kind of student loan debt that I have, rather than less.

In The Zone
Jun 3rd, 2012, 03:45 PM
He will take it. Because will smiths son took his scholarship, and as far as I know his did not donate the money or set up a program.

Life isn't fair for everyone. It's fair for him to get his scholarship. Sure some people think it would be nice of him to donate that money to a needy student. But let's be real the rich don't get that way by being charitable all the time to everyone. Those are NUNS.

He should feel no shame for taking the scholarship, it the rest of America that should feel shame for creating a system in which college has become more and more unaffordable to so many by constantly "cutting taxes on the job creators" and paying for it by "cutting spending on social programs" like pell grants and other need based programs. It is NOT the responsibility of any one rich person to make life fair for everyone else, but it IS the governments to collect tax in such a way that MORE children can afford to go to college without the kind of student loan debt that I have, rather than less.

Life isn't fair but you want more welfare and higher taxes on the rich? :speakles:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jun 3rd, 2012, 09:43 PM
He earned it, doesn't matter how rich your parents are if you put in the work to get it. Now should P. Diddy feel compelled to donate funds to the scholarship fund it's up to him.

mykarma
Jun 3rd, 2012, 11:44 PM
I did not make any claims that I do :cuckoo:




Well firstly I never said he was a bad father and I did write (If you bothered to read the first line) that "lt's good to know he is raising his kids well" and I also wrote "I can't imagine him", that is my opinion (which I am entitled to).
And I I know of rap fathers who take care of their kids. Don't put words in my mouth :o
I did bother to read it and also read this:
(or his ex rather) and then the rest of your post. You have your opinion and I have mind.

tennisbum79
Jun 3rd, 2012, 11:52 PM
It is not academic scholarship, this sport scholarship which is different.

Justin Combs, as an individual member of the team, before he leaves the University, will probably bring much more money to University than the $54,000

tennisbum79
Jun 3rd, 2012, 11:58 PM
People can't articulate themselves. He did earn his scholarship, for sure. However, I feel he should turn it down and allow someone else to have it.
I thought you were for free market, let the market decide, let the individual realize his full potential via his ability, if he someone is willing to pay him for it, so be it.

This is a sport scholarship, not an an academic scholarship.
Doesn't the athletic department have its own coffer to offer sport scholarships, it is not like Combs is depriving anyone else from getting the scholarship.

mykarma
Jun 4th, 2012, 12:01 AM
People can't articulate themselves. He did earn his scholarship, for sure. However, I feel he should turn it down and allow someone else to have it.
Perhaps Justin wants to do things on his own and not have people say he can't certain things because of his dad. Whether he accepts the scholarship or not the limit of players that a school and have on their team won't change and UCLA is not a poor school so if they really wanted another player they'd find a way to bring him in. Yes Justin can say I don't want the scholarship but he chooses not to and like someone previously stated I'm sure Puffy gives plenty to Howard University and other charities.

Halardfan
Jun 4th, 2012, 12:26 AM
Would everyone's positions (on all sides) be the same if it was the son of a wall street banker in question?

He earned it, but it still would have been best to say from the beginning that he intended to invest that money in a worthy cause.

More broadly there seems to be a fault with the system somewhere that this situation can arise.

ArturoAce.
Jun 4th, 2012, 04:00 AM
I think he should give it to me... jussayin' :p

mykarma
Jun 4th, 2012, 04:06 AM
Would everyone's positions (on all sides) be the same if it was the son of a wall street banker in question?

He earned it, but it still would have been best to say from the beginning that he intended to invest that money in a worthy cause.

More broadly there seems to be a fault with the system somewhere that Pisituation can arise.
Why would it matter what one's parent does? Justin isn't rich his father is and he earned it through hard work and his own efforts. His father didn't earn this for him and like many have said, it happens all of the time but because it's Diddy there's a problem. Diddy parents weren't rich but they taught him great work ethics just as perhaps Diddy has or is attempting to teach Justin. There was also a backlash when Diddy bought him an expensive car for his birthday. Damn if he does and damn if he doesn't.

new-york
Jun 4th, 2012, 04:28 AM
I wish he'd say thank you I'm that good :cool: but no thank you I'm even better. :angel:

tennisbum79
Jun 4th, 2012, 05:35 AM
Would everyone's positions (on all sides) be the same if it was the son of a wall street banker in question?

He earned it, but it still would have been best to say from the beginning that he intended to invest that money in a worthy cause.

More broadly there seems to be a fault with the system somewhere that this situation can arise.
It would not make a difference to me. As I said before , this is athletic scholarships, not academic scholarship. There is difference.
While there are plenty of athletic scholarship, academics scholarship are scarce and many many more people are competing for them.


Although I highly doubt wall street banker son would be offered athletic scholarship for hard knock sport like football, basketball, I am sure they get scholarship for tennis, fencing equestrian, and other non-physically demanding sport.
These sports often have hard time supporting themselves because they, unlike basketball and football, the do not generate revenue.
Instead they are financed by endowment from big time football and basketball via TV contract, merchandizing.


Again, as in real life, the working class kids sweat support the 1% kids playing leisurely sports.

JN
Jun 4th, 2012, 05:37 AM
Justin Combs, as an individual member of the team, before he leaves the University, will probably bring much more money to University than the $54,000

The same as any other scholarship recipient whose father might be a postal worker.


Perhaps Justin wants to do things on his own and not have people say he can't certain things because of his dad.

Exactly! This so-called controversy has all to do with Diddy's financial status and nothing to do with Justin's athletic and academic achievements... which, IMO, should be celebrated, just like any other student who performs at his level.

Would everyone's positions (on all sides) be the same if it was the son of a wall street banker in question?

He earned it, but it still would have been best to say from the beginning that he intended to invest that money in a worthy cause.

More broadly there seems to be a fault with the system somewhere that this situation can arise.

As VeeReeDav said: He earned it, doesn't matter how rich your parents are if you put in the work to get it. Now should P. Diddy feel compelled to donate funds to the scholarship fund it's up to him.What fault do you see in the system?

Halardfan
Jun 4th, 2012, 09:26 AM
The same as any other scholarship recipient whose father might be a postal worker.




Exactly! This so-called controversy has all to do with Diddy's financial status and nothing to do with Justin's athletic and academic achievements... which, IMO, should be celebrated, just like any other student who performs at his level.



As VeeReeDav said: What fault do you see in the system?

I do find the positions of some on this, especially those of us broadly on the left, rather surprising.

My position would be that scholarships should be a tool to help poorer students. What do I mean by poorer? Well, certainly poorer than the student in question.

duhcity
Jun 4th, 2012, 03:09 PM
It would not make a difference to me. As I said before , this is athletic scholarships, not academic scholarship. There is difference.
While there are plenty of athletic scholarship, academics scholarship are scarce and many many more people are competing for them.


Although I highly doubt wall street banker son would be offered athletic scholarship for hard knock sport like football, basketball, I am sure they get scholarship for tennis, fencing equestrian, and other non-physically demanding sport.
These sports often have hard time supporting themselves because they, unlike basketball and football, the do not generate revenue.
Instead they are financed by endowment from big time football and basketball via TV contract, merchandizing.


Again, as in real life, the working class kids sweat support the 1% kids playing leisurely sports.

You are an unreal person.
How do you feel about women's sports? Especially in college?

HippityHop
Jun 4th, 2012, 03:38 PM
I do find the positions of some on this, especially those of us broadly on the left, rather surprising.

My position would be that scholarships should be a tool to help poorer students. What do I mean by poorer? Well, certainly poorer than the student in question.

Really?

tennisbum79
Jun 4th, 2012, 04:10 PM
You are an unreal person.
How do you feel about women's sports? Especially in college?
what does this has to do with Women in sports?

This athletic scholarship will not have gone to a woman.
Football, Baseball programs are the main money makers of college athletics, they also finance other minor sports.

Anybody can correct me if I am wrong, but in these 2 sports in big time colleges, every team member is on an athletic scholarship

tennisbum79
Jun 4th, 2012, 04:13 PM
The same as any other scholarship recipient whose father might be a postal worker.?
Correct


I did not mean to imply that, he, in particular would do that.

My point is, football and basketball program are the only money makers for colleges athletics.

Wigglytuff
Jun 5th, 2012, 05:40 AM
There is a lot of stereotypes and nonsense in this thread. No need to attack those who aren't rich, and I fail to see how anyone in this thread can know what kind of parent p doody is.

That said it is completely illogical to say that skill alone got him that scholarship, the luck he had being born in a place where his skills were allowed to excel and develop. Again we can't fault him for that., but likewise we can't fault the kids who have the intellectual talent but lack the skill on the field to get these sport scholarships.

We can fault ourselves for the insane shortage of need and academic based full scholarships.

Yeah it would be nice if P Doodoo would donate that money, but it would be even better if EVERYone with the skill and talent would be able to go without massive debt.

I know more fun to attack the poor, stereotype and make assumptions about P Doodoos parenting skills.

Personally I would rather see more academic scholarships and a ten percent rule (if you are in the top 10% academicly you get a free college education ).

Dawn Marie
Jun 5th, 2012, 02:51 PM
He did it on his own merit..dont hate him the kid for being rich!!!

Dawn Marie
Jun 5th, 2012, 02:53 PM
So is it about the kids talent and gift or is this all about money and his high profile father? Im so sure many kids in the past have rich parents and received a scholarship.

Direwolf
Jun 5th, 2012, 06:09 PM
Congrats to this young man.

Hope he knows what to do with it.

roarke
Jun 6th, 2012, 03:06 PM
YES. He earned it!

Doesn't mater what his parents have or had! It is his effort that got him there and he shouldn't have to make any excuses for it. Also his father shouldn't have to make a donation to the school either as some has suggested. Why does a black kid with rich father expect to pay for his son's achievement! I don't hear anybody asking for payback from other rich people's kids who get free stuff every damn day!

*JR*
Jun 7th, 2012, 02:43 AM
Its fair if Justin earned it on talent; if not, he'll save $54K he "wouldn't miss", be embarrassed by mostly not playing, and take hard hits when he does. Furthermore (as we're not talking about need-based scholarships here) it would be a form of reverse discrimination to deny it to him.

IF his Dad tried to pull strings later for him 2B "gifted" an unearned starting spot, that would be wrong. But father and son here are "presumed innocent", unless something like that happens. I'm for 100% tax funded post-secondary education in the US (2 years initially, in non "humanities and other professional BS'ing" :o) but the Combs family seems 2B playing within the existing rules.

BTW, ex-mid level WTA player Marissa Irvin's family could have built a new athletic center @ Stanford, but she still got her full scholarship there in the 90s, on merit. :shrug: You want to "spread the wealth around", I'm with you. But I won't single out individuals, without a specific reason to. And a Bill of Attainder (http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/usconstitution/a/attainder.htm) is unconstitutional anyhow.

duhcity
Jun 7th, 2012, 03:12 PM
what does this has to do with Women in sports?

This athletic scholarship will not have gone to a woman.
Football, Baseball programs are the main money makers of college athletics, they also finance other minor sports.

Anybody can correct me if I am wrong, but in these 2 sports in big time colleges, every team member is on an athletic scholarship

Do you feel that in real life women are inferior?
Because in your last post, you seem to advocate the idea that the NCAA sports model reflects on our societal values. And part of the NCAA model is that women sports on every level are mandated, and there are virtually no extremely profitable women's college sports.

So again, do you feel that, in real life the "working class" support the irrelevant women?

If not, try not to pull shitty analogies out of your ass again.


And again, I find it really surprising that you would advocate not need-blind admissions. Because that works both ways. Schools can decide not to give to the super rich, but they can just as easily deny admission to the neediest.

mykarma
Jun 7th, 2012, 06:30 PM
On Mike and Mike this morning, the big host can't think of his name announced that his youngest daughter got a swimming scholarship to Notre Dame and he has plenty of money. He was in the NFL and after retiring from football began hosting sports shows. He is by no stretch of the imagination destitute and no one raised an eyebrow about his daughters scholarship. As a matter of fact he was quite proud of of her achievements. No I don't think he has the riches of Diddy but the man certainly has money and can afford to send his youngest to college. Both of his sons are on Notre Dame's football team and probably also got scholarships. I'm just saying that it happens all the time so why is this such a big deal to some because of Diddy?

BuTtErFrEnA
Jun 7th, 2012, 08:32 PM
he should keep it since he earned it....do the best he can as well with it and hold his head up



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In The Zone
Jun 7th, 2012, 08:55 PM
No one is questioning the kid earning it or the fact that he should be proud he earned it.

The fact is his family can more than afford the cost and privilege of going to such a school and they wouldn't even realize the money was gone. Why not let someone else have an opportunity that wouldn't otherwise have one? He can still go to the school and still be the superstar he is going to be at the school. It is well noted he earned this scholarship and it will be forever known as that. But does he actually have to accept it and not pay - taking the place of someone else?

Instead, Diddy is going to NOT pay for the school and continue to earn his riches at 15% tax rate because that 54,000 a year can stay invested in stock instead of being spent. The rich continue to get rich kind of thing and it's funny how certain posters who denigrate the current rich powers and low taxes are in support of Diddy accepting the scholarship.

Simple as that. People are reading things into this that aren't that to be read or exaggerating facts that are not an issue or that no one is contesting.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jun 7th, 2012, 08:57 PM
cause then he'd be accused of living off daddy's money/fame and not earning anything in life :lol: he got his reward on merit therefore he should keep it

mykarma
Jun 9th, 2012, 11:56 PM
No one is questioning the kid earning it or the fact that he should be proud he earned it.

The fact is his family can more than afford the cost and privilege of going to such a school and they wouldn't even realize the money was gone. Why not let someone else have an opportunity that wouldn't otherwise have one? He can still go to the school and still be the superstar he is going to be at the school. It is well noted he earned this scholarship and it will be forever known as that. But does he actually have to accept it and not pay - taking the place of someone else?

Instead, Diddy is going to NOT pay for the school and continue to earn his riches at 15% tax rate because that 54,000 a year can stay invested in stock instead of being spent. The rich continue to get rich kind of thing and it's funny how certain posters who denigrate the current rich powers and low taxes are in support of Diddy accepting the scholarship.

Simple as that. People are reading things into this that aren't that to be read or exaggerating facts that are not an issue or that no one is contesting.
If you have a problem it's with the policies of the Universities not Justin. That being the case then all people with money kids should be exempt from getting athletic scholarships. The university already has scholarships for kids with financial problems. Without the scholarship perhaps Justin would have not gone to UCLA.

*JR*
Jun 10th, 2012, 12:25 AM
No one is questioning the kid earning it or the fact that he should be proud he earned it.

The fact is his family can more than afford the cost and privilege of going to such a school and they wouldn't even realize the money was gone. Why not let someone else have an opportunity that wouldn't otherwise have one? He can still go to the school and still be the superstar he is going to be at the school. It is well noted he earned this scholarship and it will be forever known as that. But does he actually have to accept it and not pay - taking the place of someone else?

Instead, Diddy is going to NOT pay for the school and continue to earn his riches at 15% tax rate because that 54,000 a year can stay invested in stock instead of being spent. The rich continue to get rich kind of thing and it's funny how certain posters who denigrate the current rich powers and low taxes are in support of Diddy accepting the scholarship.

Simple as that. People are reading things into this that aren't that to be read or exaggerating facts that are not an issue or that no one is contesting.

In your bold-quoted 3rd paragraph, you present what could be the basis for a constructive compromise. Of course it only happens if a (Sean Combs or other such person) agrees, but then Justin waiving the scholarship would also be voluntary on the family's part.

While the "Buffet Rule" for a 30% millionaire's tax rate isn't going to pass Congress (unless part of a "grand compromise" on deficit reduction after the election) the wealthy can make "in lieu of" payments for things like scholarships, up to that other 15% of their full income. (I have no idea what % P-Diddy now gives to charity, and make no inference either way).

In The Zone
Jun 10th, 2012, 04:24 AM
People are either willfully ignorant or unwillfully stupid to not see the distinction.

Just another one in the books.

Darop.
Jun 11th, 2012, 11:27 PM
Isn't the whole point of scolarships, whether the money be public or private and whether he earned it or not, that of allowing access to studying to people who don't have the funds on their own?

Seriously, P. Diddy probably goes around with 50k in his change purse. And his change purse is probably worth more than 50k. :tape:

*JR*
Jun 12th, 2012, 11:14 AM
People are either willfully ignorant or unwillfully stupid to not see the distinction. Just another one in the books.

You can be stubborn, and pull an (almost guaranteed 2B futile) guilt trip on the Combs family regarding something one of them earned. Or (God forbid) you can be creative, and in effect say to them: "Congratulations! Oh, BTW, there are deserving kids out there who can use a hand up". Do you want results, or just to feel self-righteous here? :shrug:

mykarma
Jun 12th, 2012, 03:06 PM
You can be stubborn, and pull an (almost guaranteed 2B futile) guilt trip on the Combs family regarding something one of them earned. Or (God forbid) you can be creative, and in effect say to them: "Congratulations! Oh, BTW, there are deserving kids out there who can use a hand up". Do you want results, or just to feel self-righteous here? :shrug:
You must spread reps around ...