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Halardfan
Nov 22nd, 2002, 11:16 AM
Don't see what's wrong with it myself...the sky is blue, the grass is green, and Bush is certainly a moron. Kudos to Canada! Hurrah for the Commonwealth! :)

When Bush shuffles zombie -like into such meetings I suspect everyone lets out a despairing groan...

Anyway an article about it...


An offhand comment by a senior member of the Chrétien government may have a lasting effect on relations between Ottawa and Washington. A top aide to the prime minister has been quoted as referring to U.S. President George W. Bush as "a moron."

The disparaging comment from Chrétien's inner circle has shaken the Prime Minister's Office. Prime Minister Jean Chrétien was forced to say on Thursday that President Bush is "a friend of mine. He's not a moron at all."

That the prime minister of Canada would have to say the president of the United States is not a moron is remarkable enough. That he has to defend a comment made by one of his closest advisors has sent shockwaves from Prague, where NATO leaders are meeting, to Parliament Hill to the White House.

It began when President Bush made a speech in the Czech capital calling on NATO countries to spend more on defence.

Canadian officials saw that as a veiled criticism of Ottawa's military spending. The Prime Minister's director of communications, Francoise Ducros, said of Bush, "What a moron."

The comment apparently was made in the presence of at least two reporters.

In Ottawa, Canadian Alliance MP Jason Kenney wanted to know if the quote was accurate. And if it is, "does it reflect the views of the Liberal government?"

Conservative leader Joe Clark said if such a statement was made the offending party "should be on a plane home right now."

The PMO issued a brief statement: "The Prime Minister's Office never comments on newspaper reports attributed to unnamed sources."

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, who is accompanying Bush in Prague, dismissed the comment as coming from "somebody who obviously doesn't speak for the Canadian government."

The problem is Francoise Ducros does speak for the Canadian government, usually on background and off the record. The quote first attributed to a government official was soon linked to Ducros and widely reported.

Whether the comment was on the record or not, the opposition says the comment was inappropriate, coming from an official representing the government of Canada.

Others say the comment will only further chill the dialogue between Washington and Ottawa.

The prime minister is now under pressure to take action against one of his most loyal advisers.

Poe
Nov 22nd, 2002, 11:27 AM
well this seems like a pretty flimsy story... it's not like the guy said it during a press conference or something for the whole world to hear.. so there was no question... instead this looks like speculation, that somebody overheard something and over dramatised it

without any proof or a recording of him saying it, it could be a flat out lie and the story doesn't hold any water

The comment apparently was made in the presence of at least two reporters.

apparently? according to who? that's pretty weak

anyway if he did say it whether bush is a moron or not , it's unprofessional coming from a top official of our government and i wouldn't be proud of it

Josh
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:00 PM
I think it's a she Poe, unless there are French-Canadian men called Françoise. :D

Poe
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:04 PM
whatever josh!

cyberix
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:08 PM
The fact that she said it is not in question. But saying it in the presence of two reporters and being Director of Communications for the Canadian Government shows that the comment is applicable to herself.

Poe
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:09 PM
why is the fact she said it not in question?

Bezz
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:12 PM
He is a moron!!! good on her.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:13 PM
In Ottawa, Canadian Alliance MP Jason Kenney wanted to know if the quote was accurate. And if it is, "does it reflect the views of the Liberal government?"


:rolleyes:

Yeah, the comments of one, mean that the entire platform of the Liberal Party is now that "Bush is a moron".

Her timing is unfortunate if she did say it - I mean really say it behind closed doors like everybody else.

caramel
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:21 PM
Woohoo the Canadians are cool! Yes indeed , Bush is a moron!

roots
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:23 PM
This story is really getting to me. Any of you catched CNN's Crossfire last night. Here's an exertp:

NOVAK: At the NATO summit in Prague, the Canadian delegation viciously attacked President Bush. During a Canadian briefing for reporters, an official said of the American president, "What a moron." The Canadian press is not disclosing this official's identified, but I will. It was Prime Minister Jean Chretien's spokeswoman and communications director, Francine Ducros. No apology yet.

The Canadians are in an uproar because the Americans are urging them to boost defense spending. Canada ranks third from the bottom among NATO countries in military spending. Ahead only of Luxembourg and of Iceland, which does not even have a military. Canada should be ashamed of itself.

CARVILLE: I think Canadians are pretty proud people. I actually like Canada, I like Canadians. Just like I like France and I like French people and everybody else. You right wingers, you all hate poor people, you hate children, you hate Canadians, you hate Frenchmen. You hate everything. What the hell do you like other than rich people?

NOVAK: I'll tell you what...

CARVILLE: Other than rich people, who do you like?

NOVAK: If you liked the weenie Canadians so much why don't you go there? Why don't you go there?

CARVILLE: I go there all the time. I love Canadians. I go to England. I like the British.

(CROSSTALK)

NOVAK: You'd probably like Iraq if you went there, too. CARVILLE: No, I wouldn't like Iraq. But I sure -- I got an office in Britain. I've got an office in Tel Aviv. I love the Israelis, too. You don't like the Israelis. I do.



What a fucking prick that Novak character! "Canadian delegation viciously attacked ". We're talking about one lady here. Talk about being narrow-minded, he goes on a rampage over what one person said (albeit thousands of people think it too) and calls us "weenie". That's too many insults from this shitty show. Earlier this month, the host with the bow tie called us (Canada) "wasteland".

I'm pretty damn proud my country spends more money in health and education and not national defence. We have different priorities and agendas.

cyberix
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by Poe
why is the fact she said it not in question?

because:
1) she did not deny saying it
2) The Prime Minister did not deny she said it but told the press Bush is our friend, not a moron

roots
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:25 PM
Forgot to add. The least that moron of Novak could have done is got her name right. It's Françoise, not Francine!

Crazy Canuck
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:29 PM
Thanks for the bit roots.

Pretty sad they have nothing better to focus on then one parliment opening up her trap and saying something that rings true to many, but better left unsaid.

I agree 100% - why the hell should we spend more on our military? We don't tell the USA how much to spend on their military (do we?). I could care less what they spend on it.

All I know is that I'm happy to live in a country that isn't going to war every 5 secounds, that has a good social safety net, that has decent health care for all, etc etc. If this means we have less money to help the USA out on their latest cause too fucking bad.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by roots
Forgot to add. The least that moron of Novak could have done is got her name right. It's Françoise, not Francine!

LOL what blatent ignorance on his part.

Though not even remotely surprising.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:33 PM
I meant, it's not surprising given the other crap he went on about.

So anyone reading this, please refrain from going on and on about something that I neither implied, nor wrote (it really gets tiresome).

roots
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:49 PM
I ask myself time and time again, why do I watch this show (Crossfire)? But damn, you do learn a lot, even with the ridiculous comments they make.

The thing is, this story will die down in couple of days, but I'm afraid Françoise's job is on the line here. It's too bad they overheard her say such a thing.

King Lindsay
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:53 PM
LOL. I loved that. "does this reflect the opinion of the entire Liberal party?" I saw him say that on the news. i would've loved for buddy to just be like, "As a matter of fact, yes it does." Fuck, I'd vote for a party running under the platform of BUSH IS A MORON.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:56 PM
I already do vote for that party. *proud*

Iconoclast
Nov 22nd, 2002, 01:59 PM
I think it's pretty obvious who the moron is.

Ryan
Nov 22nd, 2002, 02:01 PM
Lmao, it's about goddamn time someone said that! I can't get over the fact that arrogant prick Bush feels he has any right ot tell us what to do. Canada rarely gets in a fight with ANY country, so we are not in peril of anything as of now if we DON'T improve our defence.

Saying that, Canada's military is a piece of shit. My dad is a Major, and a Navigator on SeaKings. He's working at the Warfare Center in Nova Scotia right now, and god, he is always mad about the lack of money spent on Military. It's surprisng how little our Government will shell out for their NATIONAL DEFENCE SYSTEM! *cough*


Bush however, is still a moron, way to go Francoise!:D

Crazy Canuck
Nov 22nd, 2002, 02:03 PM
Canada rarely gets in a fight with ANY country, so we are not in peril of anything as of now if we DON'T improve our defence.


In all fairness, part of the reason we aren't in peril is thanks to a couple things.

1 - our geography. No one wants our permafrost anyhow.
2 - who we are allied with.

3MTA3
Nov 22nd, 2002, 02:34 PM
The point of the matter is that Bush is a moron. He is a big bully from Texas who thinks he can do as he pleases. I wish more world leaders would tell the truth about W.

Mercury Rising
Nov 22nd, 2002, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by Ryan15

Saying that, Canada's military is a piece of shit. My dad is a Major, and a Navigator on SeaKings. He's working at the Warfare Center in Nova Scotia right now, and god, he is always mad about the lack of money spent on Military. It's surprisng how little our Government will shell out for their NATIONAL DEFENCE SYSTEM! *cough*

I think that's something to be proud of.

Barrie_Dude
Nov 22nd, 2002, 02:55 PM
Actually I am embarrased! The only morons are the Canadian politicians! They are totally a bunch of crooked, do nothing, no good bastards!

King Lindsay
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:02 PM
Well, look on the bright side. Maybe Jerry Springer will pick up Canadian citizenship and run for pm.

Barrie_Dude
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:04 PM
Can't be any worse than the clown we have!

Crazy Canuck
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:06 PM
Barrie please - politicians are crooked bastards, not just Canadian ones.

Let me take an "American" stance on this : if you have such a problem with Canada Barrie, why don't you just leave? :D

King Lindsay
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:07 PM
Rebecca. Don't call him that! Call him dude!

Crazy Canuck
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:08 PM
Sorry King. Dude it is.

Barrie_Dude
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:09 PM
My problem is not with the Canadian people, Becca, it is with the assholes that run the goverment! They overtax us, than they don't do a dam thing but go around and make annoying comments therefore making us look really stupid!

King Lindsay
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:10 PM
Thank you, Becca.

King Lindsay
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:10 PM
Btw, you are looking pleasantly plump today, I must say.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:11 PM
In Ottawa, Canadian Alliance MP Jason Kenney wanted to know if the quote was accurate. And if it is, "does it reflect the views of the Liberal government?"


This is STILL killing me. I mean seriously - are we hard up for votes or what?

Maybe if you weren't such right winged bastards then you wouldn't be the opposition, Jason.

And people actually voted for this guy?

Crazy Canuck
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:12 PM
Pleasantly plump, yes I know :)

Thankyou.

Barrie_Dude
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:12 PM
Oh? And The Liberals are any better, Becca?

King Lindsay
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:14 PM
yeah, they really are. They aren't really that left wing, but I'd rather have them there than the Alliance or the Conservatives.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:15 PM
Then the Alliance? In my opinion they are.

Frankly I couldn't bring myself to vote for a party that was spear headed by a guy who was quite vocal about his wishes to make abortion illegal (Stockwell Day, at the time).

That isn't all they stand for obviously, but at the time he was making quite a stink about it, and I will be damned if I will vote for people who want to take away my rights as a female (or prevent them from every becoming rights in the first place).

Hopefully they will never get in - and if they do it will hopefully be when I'm far away from this country.

Though seeing as you are a Republican supporter, it only makes sense you would also support the Alliance.

Barrie_Dude
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:19 PM
Oh? And Jean Chrietchien is so very brilliant?

Crazy Canuck
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:25 PM
Dude, do you have a point?

Or are you just going to keep going: "oh, and what you like is so great?"

If you want to have a serious discussion with me, then fine.

If you want to continue making little sense, and asking questions that I haven't once implied feelings about (forgive me for forgetting my "Cretien should be the leader of Mensa" thread), then please don't waste your time.

I'm not interested in garbage fights atm.

Barrie_Dude
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:32 PM
What are you saying? I think the goverment of the Liberal party really sucks! What do they stand for? What have they done? Nothing that's what! There is no leadership in Ottawa at all. And the scariest thing is that there is no one on the horizon that is any better from any party! I even have my doubts about Paul Martin and that has more to do wth the present Liberal party govermenmt leaving such a bad taste in my mouth that I rather doubt the integrity of any Liberal!

The nice thing about George Bush in the States is that love him or hate him at least he provides some leadership and stands up for something which is more than we have here. And as far as defense goes he is right. Our standing Arnmy et all is so undertrained, under equipped and underpaid that we may as well not have one!

King Lindsay
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:40 PM
Dude. That's a good idea. We might as well not have one. We haven't had to fight a war in nearly 200 years, seems kinda stupid to be spending more money on defense.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:40 PM
Quite frankly I would rather that we put money into things that matter to our immediate well being - healthcare, education, social welfare, etc etc - then have us spend tons of money on a huge military that we do not need, so we can go help other people in wars that do not involve us.

The more we stay out of the USA's causes (or anyone elses for that matter), the better IMO.

I would even rather see us put more money into developing third world nations, than have us increase spending for our armed forces.

As for George Bush - yes they stand for something.They stand for a lot of things that I don't believe in, and I just thank God that I don't have to deal with having a system that I'm totally against, in control of me.

Barrie_Dude
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:49 PM
Actually, we were invoved in WW1 and WW2 and in Korea and in the Persian Gulf and in Afghanastan. My math maty not be the same as yours but it seems as though we have been invoved in several wars in the last 200 years? And dop you realize how much we depend on the USA for our national defense? Wake up, Becca! We are becoming more and more depedent on the USA and it's because people in this country are being dumb! There is a real world full of evil out there and we need to protect ourselves! Yes, I prefer the role of "Peace-Keeper" over "Aggressor", but that does not maen that we have to be anyones doormat! You look at the situation in the middles East and other parts of the world that have a big problem wit terrorists and the like! Unless we have a strong national defense, we too will be targets! And, sure, the States will help us out, but at what cost? I mean as it is, we are so dependent on them that we may as well be annexed! For all practical purposes we already are!

Crazy Canuck
Nov 22nd, 2002, 03:54 PM
Barrie if you would like to think of yourself as an American, then you are welcome to whatever opinion you may have of yourself.

Though I must say, you are the first Canadian I have met, who thinks of himself that way.

Seeing as you spent a good amount of time in the uSA, that does make a good amount of sense.

But please dont' speak for all of us, as most do NOT feel even remotely American.

We will have to agree to disagree.

I have made my point clear, and you have failed to totally understand it.

Not once have I said put NO money in the military. I simply don't think we should be putting bucket fulls, as there are other more immediate matters to keep in mind.

As for us being at threat for terrorist attacks - the only reason we would be targetted would be our affiliation with the USA, and not for anything we've done directly.

Barrie_Dude
Nov 22nd, 2002, 04:03 PM
You have no idea do you? Like many Canadians, you choose to bury your head in the sand. You do not have to "feel" American, but you must realize that that our very existence is dependent on them! They are our biggest trading partners (to the tume of hundreds of billions of dollars every year), most of our biggest employers are American companies or do significant buisness in the USA. Toronto is "Hoolywood North". There are several American/Canadian military posts here. If we are attacked, it will likely be the Americans that repel the invaders rather than Canadians, et all. "Everything" you do can be tied to the States. And having the luxury to think as you do (and it is a luxury) can be easily lost. We have it very easy here and if the "Americans" pulled out of Canada we would be some 3rd rate, poverty sricken country

King Lindsay
Nov 22nd, 2002, 04:36 PM
Dude, we have become involved in other country's wars at the behest of our allies. We have not had a war of our own in almost 200 years.

And what is your point in the last post? That Americans are very vital to our economy/security? Tell us something we don't know.

griffin
Nov 22nd, 2002, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by Barrie_Dude
If we are attacked, it will likely be the Americans that repel the invaders rather than Canadians, et all

The Dude has a point here *checks to see if they're having snowball fights in hell* although it may not be the one he's trying to make ;)

Don't get me wrong Rebecca, because I'm not for one second suggesting that Canada raise it's military spending to the insane levels we have, but do you think if Canada felt more secure in it's ability to defend itself and it's interests it might feel less pressured to go along with the US on foreign policy issues?

Barrie, I wasn't aware that we were Canada's largest trading partner, I AM aware that Canada is OURS. If Canada washed it's hands of us, we'd be pretty well fucked, too. Both sides need each other - something I think Americans often forget - and if for no other reason than that we live next door to one another, we do need to get along.

Barrie_Dude
Nov 22nd, 2002, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by King Lindsay
Dude, we have become involved in other country's wars at the behest of our allies. We have not had a war of our own in almost 200 years.

And what is your point in the last post? That Americans are very vital to our economy/security? Tell us something we don't know.

If memory serves, both WW1 and WW2 were "our" wars as well. Believe it or not, we have a significant stake in what happens in the rest of the world! I know for a fact that in WW2, if Hitler had not been stopped, it would not have been Europe he would have stopped at, he would have been in North America and this includes Canada. We do have a stake in what happens and we cannot just ignore that!

And Griffin, Canada needs the States alot more than they need us!

King Lindsay
Nov 22nd, 2002, 04:43 PM
No, WW1 and WW2 were not our wars at all. Memory does not serve you correctly, and you know nothing for a fact.

King Lindsay
Nov 22nd, 2002, 04:45 PM
And that isn't true, Dude. America DEPENDS on Canada. We deliver them VITAL, PRECIOUS, IRREPLACABLE natural resources. We supply them the power and water that they would be COMPLETELY SCREWED WITHOUT.

Barrie_Dude
Nov 22nd, 2002, 04:47 PM
Not Really! They are strong enough and wealthy enough to be able to get them from elsewhere! Don't kid yourself

Barrie_Dude
Nov 22nd, 2002, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by King Lindsay
No, WW1 and WW2 were not our wars at all. Memory does not serve you correctly, and you know nothing for a fact.

Well, I guess we are alone on our own planet than and nothing involves us on planet Earth than right?

King Lindsay
Nov 22nd, 2002, 04:48 PM
No, they aren't. We are the most abundant source of those commodities in the world. Plus, geographical convenience makes us entrenched. Don't kid yourself, ya Bush lover.

King Lindsay
Nov 22nd, 2002, 04:51 PM
Listen Dude. WW1 was Europe's war. It was not about one country trying to take over the world, it wasn't even about one country trying to take over Europe. It was just tension that came to a head and exploded.

As for WW2, not our war either. Hitler didn't really seek to take over the world. He didn't even want Britain. If you'll recall, he never really wanted to take over Britain (which is why he never launched a land attack), he just wanted to bomb them into a peace treaty so he could cement his hold on the rest of Europe. So again, neither war can be called our own.

Poe
Nov 22nd, 2002, 04:57 PM
i am going to run for prime minister... then all will be well

Barrie_Dude
Nov 22nd, 2002, 04:59 PM
You need to re-read your history son! He not only wanted England, he wanted North America as well!

King Lindsay
Nov 22nd, 2002, 05:00 PM
No son, you need to re-read yours. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

griffin
Nov 22nd, 2002, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by Poe
i am going to run for prime minister... then all will be well

Where do I send campaign contributions?

Barrie_Dude, Canada may well depend more on the US than the US depends on Cananda - that does nothing to change the fact that "losing" Canada would half-cripple our economy due to the loss of trade and the need to buy natural resources at a higher cost elsewhere (which would be harder to afford - see "loss of trade")

Hitler had no real designs on the US and Canada, that is absolute nonsense. That's not to say that what was happening in Europe and in the Pacific would have had no effect on us. Why don't you try debating this rationally rather than calling each other stupid and responding with stupid claims?

Barrie_Dude
Nov 22nd, 2002, 07:20 PM
What? Am I the only one who has read the text of any of his speeches?

Hurley
Nov 22nd, 2002, 07:23 PM
Isn't this the same Bush who was talking to one of his buddies when said buddy called a NY Times reporter an "asshole," or something to that effect?

That went away and this will too. If nothing else, American news moves quickly and surely something stupid will happen soon to make us forget all about this. Perhaps Michael Jackson will dangle Winona Ryder's stolen dresses over a railing.

Barrie_Dude
Nov 22nd, 2002, 07:24 PM
Actually this time it was not Bush who put his foot in his mouth it was the Canadian official

Hurley
Nov 22nd, 2002, 07:26 PM
Quite correct. So if he can be affiliated with something stupid (and he's done that quite a number of times, hasn't he?) and get away with it, why can't she?

My point is, if they let it blow over, she will.

Barrie_Dude
Nov 22nd, 2002, 07:30 PM
Agreed

griffin
Nov 22nd, 2002, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by Barrie_Dude
What? Am I the only one who has read the text of any of his speeches?

No, but you may be one of the few who took everything word for word, rather than try to sort out the sabre-rattling and threats from the real intentions.

"Moron" may not be a diplomatic thing to say, but if that's the worst he gets called, he should feel lucky.

Agreed, let it blow over.

Hurley
Nov 22nd, 2002, 08:22 PM
That's not the worst he gets called. Possibly the worst he gets called in public, but even that is doubtful. :p

Josh
Nov 22nd, 2002, 08:25 PM
I think the women just don't like him. First that German minister and now this Canadian spokeswoman. Obviously they are all still under Clinton's spell.

Hurley
Nov 22nd, 2002, 08:29 PM
Nah, a lot of women I know think Bush is "cute," or at least thought. It's pretty important these days.

*nominates John Edwards in '04*

TheBoiledEgg
Nov 22nd, 2002, 08:31 PM
Good on Canada :)
kudos to her :)

The rest of the World knew Bush was a moron some time ago
only the British heirachy are stuck up his ass

TheBoiledEgg
Nov 22nd, 2002, 08:32 PM
HYPOTHETICAL Q: Who would the Brits support in a war between US and Canada ????

King Lindsay
Nov 22nd, 2002, 08:37 PM
I would hope it would be us. They've always supported us before.

ttaM
Nov 22nd, 2002, 08:59 PM
Well, the lady had her moment in the sun, hope she enjoyed it, time to move on.

Halardfan
Nov 22nd, 2002, 09:28 PM
The thing that makes me angry is that on a whole host of issues of global importance (take the environment for just one example), Mr Bush has never been afraid to tell the whole world, even his best friend, Tony Blair, to get lost...in doing so he loses the right to tell the rest of Nato how much to spend on defence...to dictate like a Roman Emperor (Im thinking Nero ;)) lecturing his provinces. (Teensy exaggeration perhaps, but not a million miles away...;))

Britain and the USA are natural friends, and we have nothing to be ashamed of in that, there are certainly times when that alliance HAS been a force for good in the world, and we should be proud of that...I honestly think Blair try to influence Bush for the better behing the scenes, but the price he pays is to increasingly look like a foolish lapdog in public...

The thinking is that Blair, at least some extent acts as a counterweight to some of the (loopy) Hawks around Bush, that along with Powell, he tries to reign in Bush's wilder excesses. That at any rate, is the theory...we don't know the reality.

Ryan
Nov 22nd, 2002, 10:24 PM
Apparently not many Canadians think anything of Bush either.


I was watching the News, and a reporter was going around asking Canadians what should be done to punish the Canadian official who said it. There was an old lady, grandmother type who said "Nothing! Nothing should be done, I don't think much of Bush mylsef either!" and she walked away.


We may have bad politicians(not as bad as SOME countries), but we have brilliant citizens.:D

Crazy Canuck
Nov 22nd, 2002, 11:44 PM
Like me.

Too bad, Canada is about to lose a good one.

Monique
Nov 23rd, 2002, 01:02 AM
Hitler's initial plans called for German expansion and occupation of Eastern Europe, as far East as present Ukraine and parts of the Russian steppes...After his quick and quite unexpected success in the Western front however, he started dreaming of also expanding onto Africa and later, South America... In his first years in power, Hitler used to admire and respect the US power and also expected the large number of German-Americans to at least maintain America's neutrality during the war...When that did not happen, he thought of American society as being weak and too ethnically mixed...but he was still aware of the US's military power to risk a direct invasion of Canada, and set the African continent as the primary target to be conquered after the fall of Europe...

Barrie_Dude
Nov 23rd, 2002, 03:57 PM
Well, she offered her resignation and our beloved PM (Stomache Churning) turned it down:rolleyes: