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Foot_Fault
May 28th, 2012, 03:30 AM
I may be late but that Finale Song....was AWESOME!!! Glad it was renewed.

the jamierbelyea
May 28th, 2012, 03:41 AM
Seriously? Haha in a show with a lot of major problems, she's one of the biggest.

M.P
May 28th, 2012, 05:38 AM
Seriously? to you, Kat had improve her acting from the 1st episode
she is amazing when singing, acting and dancing all together

the jamierbelyea
May 28th, 2012, 07:36 AM
Seriously? to you, Kat had improve her acting from the 1st episode
she is amazing when singing, acting and dancing all together

All of which pales in comparison to the precision and range of Megan Hilty. If they had cast someone with a weaker persona and voice to be her rival, maybe it would come off, but no she is far too weak for the storyline she's expected to carry.

M.P
May 28th, 2012, 04:30 PM
i think it's only your opinion, no one said that but only you do
maybe some but barely seen

tucker1989
May 28th, 2012, 04:47 PM
Why is this a thread? Isn't there a Smash thread already?

the jamierbelyea
May 28th, 2012, 07:17 PM
i think it's only your opinion, no one said that but only you do
maybe some but barely seen

It is my opinion, but it's shared by many critics. A near consensus by any critic worth reading about.

JN
May 28th, 2012, 07:35 PM
Katherine McPhee can get SMASHED! :drool:

AjdeNate!
May 28th, 2012, 08:39 PM
This show is about on it's way out. I'm not sure it will last the full season 2. They fired 4 cast mates, the producer and some of the writing staff? Not a good sign.

WhatTheDeuce
May 28th, 2012, 10:53 PM
All of which pales in comparison to the precision and range of Megan Hilty. If they had cast someone with a weaker persona and voice to be her rival, maybe it would come off, but no she is far too weak for the storyline she's expected to carry.
Gurl please. Megan Hilty is plenty talented and a superior actress, but vocally I much, MUCH prefer Katharine. Not even that close for me. Her acting may not be exactly Emmy worthy, but she has the silkiest, smoothest tone to her voice and that makes up for her slightly more limited range. For me, Megan has pretty much a typical Broadway style voice with a lack of distinctive quality.

Anyway, as many holes and flaws as this show had throughout it's first season, I still managed to enjoy it. Probably a result of the fact that I used to stan for Kat, and I want to sleep with a handful of the cast. I hope things improve and work out for the upcoming season, but as Nate said, there are definitely some big underlying question marks that aren't very encouraging.

Mrs. Dimitrova
May 29th, 2012, 01:24 AM
Hope the show makes it through the second season, it became one of my favorite new shows this year. I have loved Katharine McPhee since her Idol days and she's fantastic on Smash. :hearts:

Frankly I'm glad the assistant guy got cut off from the show. I love villains but he's really a character the audience hates to hate.

WhatTheDeuce
May 29th, 2012, 01:44 AM
This song still slays my life, I really think she could have had a big hit with this if she released it as a solo lead album single.

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M.P
May 29th, 2012, 04:36 AM
This show is about on it's way out. I'm not sure it will last the full season 2. They fired 4 cast mates, the producer and some of the writing staff? Not a good sign.

Elis and Dev are on their way out already
Michael will be fired again after al the preshow for sure
and Julia's Husband are barely regular in first 15 episode
it's not like they will are completely not coming back, just not be regular anymore :facepalm:
and tis show still hanging on at NBC as one of their high rating show this year :ras:

the jamierbelyea
May 29th, 2012, 06:24 AM
Gurl please. Megan Hilty is plenty talented and a superior actress, but vocally I much, MUCH prefer Katharine. Not even that close for me. Her acting may not be exactly Emmy worthy, but she has the silkiest, smoothest tone to her voice and that makes up for her slightly more limited range. For me, Megan has pretty much a typical Broadway style voice with a lack of distinctive quality.

Anyway, as many holes and flaws as this show had throughout it's first season, I still managed to enjoy it. Probably a result of the fact that I used to stan for Kat, and I want to sleep with a handful of the cast. I hope things improve and work out for the upcoming season, but as Nate said, there are definitely some big underlying question marks that aren't very encouraging.

Hey, I was a huge Kat fan during her season of American Idol. I even enjoyed her JoJo rip-off single Over It.

I just thought she took a pretty simple character to begin with and took it down a step, and while I don't disagree that she has a pretty pop voice that I thought worked well especially in the out of place 'Touch Me', in the few episodes I've seen I've gotten queasy by the sugary saccharine she brings to every scene.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind the performance of Kat nearly as much if she wasn't pitted against Megan who as you said has a powerful Broadway voice. In a plot line that involves finding a lead in a Broadway show, I can't help but question why the she show insists upon Kat's character being the underdog star. Which leads to another fundamental issue I had with the sudden realization that Ivy's mother is a famous Broadway vet played by the incomparable Bernadette Peters. If she's really supposed to be the unknown veteran, there's no way she could've had a mother that famous within broadway, not with the natural voice Hilty possesses. If she was in fact a talentless hack, it would've been more believable

If they wanted this to be Kat's star making vehicle casting Hilty as Ivy was simply dead wrong. Throwing in someone comparable to Ke$ha would've at least given Katharine a fighting chance.

Elis and Dev are on their way out already
Michael will be fired again after al the preshow for sure
and Julia's Husband are barely regular in first 15 episode
it's not like they will are completely not coming back, just not be regular anymore :facepalm:
and tis show still hanging on at NBC as one of their high rating show this year :ras:

Based almost entirely on having The Voice (one of the highest rated shows on NBC which has terrible ratings across the board) as a lead-in. It still lost around 10 million viewers every week and 3-4 points in the key demos.

I'm not saying any of the other drivel NBC has on the air could've retained more viewers, but it's higher numbers are clearly skewed by the success of The Voice.

delicatecutter
May 29th, 2012, 06:34 AM
This show blows. Loved Kat on American Idol and some of her solo songs. Had It All and Terrified in particular. :hearts:

M.P
May 29th, 2012, 06:42 AM
Hey, I was a huge Kat fan during her season of American Idol. I even enjoyed her JoJo rip-off single Over It.

I just thought she took a pretty simple character to begin with and took it down a step, and while I don't disagree that she has a pretty pop voice that I thought worked well especially in the out of place 'Touch Me', in the few episodes I've seen I've gotten queasy by the sugary saccharine she brings to every scene.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind the performance of Kat nearly as much if she wasn't pitted against Megan who as you said has a powerful Broadway voice. In a plot line that involves finding a lead in a Broadway show, I can't help but question why the she show insists upon Kat's character being the underdog star. Which leads to another fundamental issue I had with the sudden realization that Ivy's mother is a famous Broadway vet played by the incomparable Bernadette Peters. If she's really supposed to be the unknown veteran, there's no way she could've had a mother that famous within broadway, not with the natural voice Hilty possesses. If she was in fact a talentless hack, it would've been more believable

If they wanted this to be Kat's star making vehicle casting Hilty as Ivy was simply dead wrong. Throwing in someone comparable to Ke$ha would've at least given Katharine a fighting chance.


Based almost entirely on having The Voice (one of the highest rated shows on NBC which has terrible ratings across the board) as a lead-in. It still lost around 10 million viewers every week and 3-4 points in the key demos.

I'm not saying any of the other drivel NBC has on the air could've retained more viewers, but it's higher numbers are clearly skewed by the success of The Voice.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q118/cw2oo7/gifs/Untitled-103.gif

the jamierbelyea
May 29th, 2012, 06:43 AM
Is that gif supposed to be relevant? Smash lost more viewers in comparison to The Voice than actually watched the program itself.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q118/cw2oo7/gifs/Untitled-103.gif

See, now the gif makes sense.

M.P
May 29th, 2012, 06:44 AM
why you are so much a bitter?

M.P
May 29th, 2012, 06:48 AM
Is that gif supposed to be relevant? Smash lost more viewers in comparison to The Voice than actually watched the program itself.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q118/cw2oo7/gifs/Untitled-103.gif

See, now the gif makes sense.

so the Finale was without the Voice lead in , so what you gonna say this time?

the jamierbelyea
May 29th, 2012, 06:54 AM
so the Finale was without the Voice lead in , so what you gonna say this time?

It had the season premiere of America's Got Talent which had over 10 million viewers itself, so while it's loss of 4 million viewers mean more people watched the show than they lost, having it that close to a 50% loss is not positive.

While The Voice was on the air, it was NBC's only show in the top 25 in broadcast network total ratings and key demo ratings. That was until America's Got Talent premiered and is now the only NBC show in the top 25 in ratings for NBC.

At the end of the day they've given Smash the pimp slot, and if you only look at the numbers it's rates well.

M.P
May 29th, 2012, 07:00 AM
if you don't enjoy the show why don't you get out and enjoy yourself
and look at your parker Young to image yourself having sex with him blah blah blah blah blah?

the jamierbelyea
May 29th, 2012, 07:04 AM
Haha, I love that you've proven all of the negative qualities of yourself within this thread alone.

I wanted to discuss Katharine McPhee in this show, and put out some valid points. Then you came for me in every response with fragmented view points and I responded with an answer, and now that you're left with nothing you want to talk about my avatar? Just know when to stop posting little boy, and realize people can have disagreements without it having to resort to a lame masturbation joke. :)

WonderfulLee
May 29th, 2012, 07:06 AM
everything with Kath after Idol seem always flop :oh:

M.P
May 29th, 2012, 07:10 AM
Haha, I love that you've proven all of the negative qualities of yourself within this thread alone.

I wanted to discuss Katharine McPhee in this show, and put out some valid points. Then you came for me in every response with fragmented view points and I responded with an answer, and now that you're left with nothing you want to talk about my avatar? Just know when to stop posting little boy, and realize people can have disagreements without it having to resort to a lame masturbation joke. :)

what's the point you have said?
all you said is about I love Kat (YEAH RIGHT?!) but she is is not good is smash, Magan is way better, yeah Kat can only beat Ke$ha, and The Voice made Smash has better rating (yeah right)


other than all these thing you said, what yuo actually said?
if you don't like the show why you even bother to watch it?!
Do you have too much to do nothing?

the jamierbelyea
May 29th, 2012, 07:30 AM
what's the point you have said?
all you said is about I love Kat (YEAH RIGHT?!) but she is is not good is smash, Magan is way better, yeah Kat can only beat Ke$ha, and The Voice made Smash has better rating (yeah right)


other than all these thing you said, what yuo actually said?
if you don't like the show why you even bother to watch it?!
Do you have too much to do nothing?

Clearly it's 2:30 AM my time which is the only reason why I'm engaging in a conversation with you. I said she's one of the biggest problems yes, but Megan Hilty is a highlight, and one of the biggest reasons why I watch. Christian Borle is also a wonderful addition.

Ke$ha was an extreme example, but if you can't even get the gist of my point, which is Katharine in my opinion wasn't given the true chance to take this star making vehicle to the next level when they cast an opposite who is remarkable with a bigger range, and more acting experience. Which isn't a slight on Katharine, but on the casting, but all you've apparently gotten was that I don't think Katharine is good.

If you can't see that having The Voice lead-in is a big deal, you're clearly missing the point. This is a big reason why so many comedies covet the 30 minute spot after Modern Family or in the past tried to slide in after Seinfeld or Friends. Coming in behind a hit, is always good for ratings, and in relation to Smash and the network of NBC it's been the gift that keeps on giving.

This will all fall on deaf ears (or should I say blind eyes?) when you read this, so I give up. You're right. Kat McPhee is amazing, Smash is the best show ever, it could be shown at 3:45 on Tuesdays after infomercials and still get the same ratings!!!!

M.P
May 29th, 2012, 07:44 AM
:spit: you always need to give people chances for them gain experience, how many actress can sing? and obviously they the show needs somebody who can sing and act at the same time. and they needed somebody who is known.

i see The Voice lead in is big deal, but it is just for first couple episode, after it's stable at it's rating with 5-6 millions viewer (which is already high for NBC in drama and comedy), i don't see the point afterall theThe Voice leadin after maybe 4 or 5 episodes.
or either American got talent.
And this show goot huge competition of ABC's Castle


you should go to sleep instend of feeling like a loser becoz of not replying me, and you should keep loving you Magan Hility, is it blind eyed?? rooting for her to oversing and sound sexy to look like Mariyln i guess?

WhatTheDeuce
May 29th, 2012, 07:58 AM
If they wanted this to be Kat's star making vehicle casting Hilty as Ivy was simply dead wrong. Throwing in someone comparable to Ke$ha would've at least given Katharine a fighting chance.LOL this kinda sums up your whole post. You essentially have little respect for Kat's talent and an inflated infatuation with Hilty's, and it's obvious that you've taken a plethora of Broadway-snob critic reviews and rolled them together to convey and reaffirm your own biased take on the matter.

Fact is, this isn't Broadway, this is national television. Audiences wanna see the innocent girl next door underdog overcome the stereotypical power vocalist with a Broadway pedigree - that takes priority over it being a believable Broadway enactment. Kat's acting chops are limited but she has the character's essence down pat and despite having a less Broadway-tailored voice, she could still more than respectably carry a show. She has qualities to her voice that Hilty's grandiose approach and delivery can't convey. From her look, to her character, to her voice, Kat just has more mass appeal in every way, and for whatever reason that seems to irk you. :p This show isn't a vehicle to make Kat a star as much as it is simply a primetime TV show that prioritizes ratings.

she has a pretty pop voice that I thought worked well especially in the out of place 'Touch Me'Interesting cause IMO her voice lacks a bit of the natural sex appeal for a tune like Touch Me. Don't get me wrong I love the song and I think it would chart well for her if she went that direction musically, but frankly her voice is more suited to ballads like Unbroken, where she can let her soothing, airy vocal do it's work.

the jamierbelyea
May 29th, 2012, 08:29 AM
LOL this kinda sums up your whole post. You essentially have little respect for Kat's talent and an inflated infatuation with Hilty's, and it's obvious that you've taken a plethora of Broadway-snob critic reviews and rolled them together to convey and reaffirm your own biased take on the matter.

Fact is, this isn't Broadway, this is national television. Audiences wanna see the innocent girl next door underdog overcome the stereotypical power vocalist with a Broadway pedigree - that takes priority over it being a believable Broadway enactment. Kat's acting chops are limited but she has the character's essence down pat and despite having a less Broadway-tailored voice, she could still more than respectably carry a show. She has qualities to her voice that Hilty's grandiose approach and delivery can't convey. From her look, to her character, to her voice, Kat just has more mass appeal in every way, and for whatever reason that seems to irk you. :p Again - it's TV, not true life Broadway.

Interesting cause IMO her voice lacks a bit of the natural sex appeal for a tune like Touch Me, but I still think it would chart well for her if she went that direction musically. Frankly I think her voice is more naturally suited to ballads like Unbroken, where she can let her soothing, airy vocal do it's work.

There's no infatuation. I just think she's better, plain and simple. The Ke$ha example was a little extreme, and clearly my point was missed because everyone is taking it to mean I think Kat could only play opposite someone who sucks.

That's not what I meant. I just think when you have her opposite be as good as Hilty, where some might say you're splitting hairs to pick one who's better, the storyline doesn't work. In order for Dreamgirls to work Effie needs to sing the pants off a Deena. While I don't think Kat needed to play opposite someone who has the same gap as the Effie/Deena storyline, I do think there's should've been a bigger defining talent distinguished between the two. Otherwise it's down to personal preference on their vocal styles which I don't think is enough to make the story work.

I don't know why you think I'm irked by Katharine's mass appeal. She was one of the biggest reasons why I was excited for Smash to premiere. I just found myself rooting for Hilty.

WhatTheDeuce
May 29th, 2012, 05:05 PM
There's no infatuation. I just think she's better, plain and simple. The Ke$ha example was a little extreme, and clearly my point was missed because everyone is taking it to mean I think Kat could only play opposite someone who sucks.
You implied that she could only BELIEVABLY play opposite someone who sucks given her character's storyline, and I just feel like that's not true. I got your point, but the way you expressed it made me raise an eyebrow cause it feels like you're not giving enough credit to Kat's ability. You contend that Hilty is so much better, and I think that too is an exaggeration. Her range is slightly more diverse, but that doesn't make her "better" in my (or the TV viewing public's) eyes, it just makes her more quintessentially Broadway.

That's not what I meant. I just think when you have her opposite be as good as Hilty, where some might say you're splitting hairs to pick one who's better, the storyline doesn't work. In order for Dreamgirls to work Effie needs to sing the pants off a Deena. While I don't think Kat needed to play opposite someone who has the same gap as the Effie/Deena storyline, I do think there's should've been a bigger defining talent distinguished between the two. Otherwise it's down to personal preference on their vocal styles which I don't think is enough to make the story work.
Again, I just think you're looking at "good" and "Broadway" as synonymous measures of vocal appeal and they aren't. As far as them having a more distinguished gap of talent between the two, I get what you're saying, but that's where their characters come into play; Kat's is the small town, soft spoken, innocent dreamer and Hilty's is the more abrasive, bitchy Broadway pedigree type. That dynamic encourages the viewer to 'cheer' for Kat as well despite whatever discrepancy in belting ability that exists. There's more to it than just who's a better singer, which isn't as cut and dry as you make it seem anyway.

I don't know why you think I'm irked by Katharine's mass appeal. She was one of the biggest reasons why I was excited for Smash to premiere. I just found myself rooting for Hilty.
Yeah, I'll rephrase that. I think you're more irked by the fact that the show's producers are developing a storyline which favors Kat's voice and character, despite her not having the Broadway style gusto to her vocal which you clearly prefer. And as a result you're undermining Kat's ability.

the jamierbelyea
May 29th, 2012, 10:06 PM
You implied that she could only BELIEVABLY play opposite someone who sucks given her character's storyline, and I just feel like that's not true. I got your point, but the way you expressed it made me raise an eyebrow cause it feels like you're not giving enough credit to Kat's ability. You contend that Hilty is so much better, and I think that too is an exaggeration. Her range is slightly more diverse, but that doesn't make her "better" in my (or the TV viewing public's) eyes, it just makes her more quintessentially Broadway.


Again, I just think you're looking at "good" and "Broadway" as synonymous measures of vocal appeal and they aren't. As far as them having a more distinguished gap of talent between the two, I get what you're saying, but that's where their characters come into play; Kat's is the small town, soft spoken, innocent dreamer and Hilty's is the more abrasive, bitchy Broadway pedigree type. That dynamic encourages the viewer to 'cheer' for Kat as well despite whatever discrepancy in belting ability that exists. There's more to it than just who's a better singer, which isn't as cut and dry as you make it seem anyway.


Yeah, I'll rephrase that. I think you're more irked by the fact that the show's producers are developing a storyline which favors Kat's voice and character, despite her not having the Broadway style gusto to her vocal which you clearly prefer. And as a result you're undermining Kat's ability.

Yeah my comment definitely did come off that way. I thought the storyline would've been more convincing against a weaker opposite, but I'm not saying she could only play opposite an autotuned hack.

I much prefer the character of Ivy at the end of the day, and am irked that she didn't win, but I think that goes for all shows. You root for whom you root for, and if they do wrong by you're favorite character you're a little peeved. There just wasn't a big enough gap for me to be happy for Kat's character I guess.

At the end of the day while I do think Hilty dims Kat's shine a bit, I am by no means implying Hilty is a bonafide television star herself. She hasn't toned down her performance to really suit the single camera television genre. And If they both dropped CDs tomorrow, I'd be more apt to buy Katharine's over Hilty.

the jamierbelyea
May 29th, 2012, 10:06 PM
You implied that she could only BELIEVABLY play opposite someone who sucks given her character's storyline, and I just feel like that's not true. I got your point, but the way you expressed it made me raise an eyebrow cause it feels like you're not giving enough credit to Kat's ability. You contend that Hilty is so much better, and I think that too is an exaggeration. Her range is slightly more diverse, but that doesn't make her "better" in my (or the TV viewing public's) eyes, it just makes her more quintessentially Broadway.


Again, I just think you're looking at "good" and "Broadway" as synonymous measures of vocal appeal and they aren't. As far as them having a more distinguished gap of talent between the two, I get what you're saying, but that's where their characters come into play; Kat's is the small town, soft spoken, innocent dreamer and Hilty's is the more abrasive, bitchy Broadway pedigree type. That dynamic encourages the viewer to 'cheer' for Kat as well despite whatever discrepancy in belting ability that exists. There's more to it than just who's a better singer, which isn't as cut and dry as you make it seem anyway.


Yeah, I'll rephrase that. I think you're more irked by the fact that the show's producers are developing a storyline which favors Kat's voice and character, despite her not having the Broadway style gusto to her vocal which you clearly prefer. And as a result you're undermining Kat's ability.

Yeah my comment definitely did come off that way. I thought the storyline would've been more convincing against a weaker opposite, but I'm not saying she could only play opposite an autotuned hack.

I much prefer the character of Ivy at the end of the day, and am irked that she didn't win, but I think that goes for all shows. You root for whom you root for, and if they do wrong by you're favorite character you're a little peeved. There just wasn't a big enough gap for me to be happy for Kat's character I guess.

At the end of the day while I do think Hilty dims Kat's shine a bit, I am by no means implying Hilty is a bonafide television star herself. She hasn't toned down her performance to really suit the single camera television genre. And If they both dropped CDs tomorrow, I'd be more apt to buy Katharine's over Hilty.