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Pops Maellard
May 26th, 2012, 01:09 PM
From Christian/former Christian perspective. I wrote something on it on Tumblr and I'd like some feedback. Make sure to read the mini-disclaimer at the top :p.

http://flameaaron.tumblr.com/post/23793123502/is-being-gay-a-choice-my-perspective

pov
May 26th, 2012, 02:35 PM
Since very few if any gay or bisexual individuals feel that their preference is a choice, those who believe it is a choice have no option but to say that somewhere along the way a choice was made subconsciously.
- We don't know that it's "very few." Since the party-line is that it's not a choice it's possible that many people who feel that way don't share their perspective. In fact when one does they get major grief about it.

- Anyone who doesn't get that there are "subconscious choices" is being (willfully?) ignorant

What I don't get is why so many people think that the concept (fact or not) of their sexuality not being a choice is a platform toward acceptance and self-esteem.

Novichok
May 26th, 2012, 02:49 PM
I have an issue with the linguistic argument that you provide. It isn't at all obvious that a choice made subconsciously contradicts the meaning of "choice" that is given in your piece. For any given action, it's obvious that there are choices. If I do something then I can't do it's negation simultaneously (e.g., I can't brush my teeth and not brush my teeth at the same time or I can't be gay and not-gay at the same time). And we act all the time without being aware of our actions: we blink and we have reflexes. So we can act subconsciously. So if you want to show a contradiction, you should explain how choice necessarily implies conscious action.

I didn't want to write too much. But overall I thought it was a good. :yeah: But if I were you, I wouldn't even worry about convincing anyone that being gay isn't a choice. Even assuming that it is a choice, there's still no sounds arguments that conclude that being gay is wrong/immoral.

Novichok
May 26th, 2012, 03:03 PM
- We don't know that it's "very few." Since the party-line is that it's not a choice it's possible that many people who feel that way don't share their perspective. In fact when one does they get major grief about it.

- Anyone who doesn't get that there are "subconscious choices" is being (willfully?) ignorant

What I don't get is why so many people think that the concept (fact or not) of their sexuality not being a choice is a platform toward acceptance and self-esteem.

- Yes it is possible that "many people who feel that way don't share their perspective." But is it likely?

- Willfully ignorant? I don't think so.

Anyway, if being gay is a choice then so is being straight. Opponents of homosexuality would then have to show why one is morally preferable to the other. That would be very hard to do. :lol:

Dominic
May 26th, 2012, 04:12 PM
Wow, great article, I like your writting style. Vey cute yet mature. :kiss:

Pureracket
May 26th, 2012, 10:30 PM
Great writing. Really!

Question I've always asked, though: Why does it matter if it's a choice or not?In the US, all citizens should be guaranteed the same rights and considerations.

swissmr
May 26th, 2012, 10:42 PM
Anyway, if being gay is a choice then so is being straight. Opponents of homosexuality would then have to show why one is morally preferable to the other. That would be very hard to do. :lol:

Exactly. Tbh I think anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see how sexuality is not a choice, and I don't really see that issue being debated any more BUT as people have said, it shouldn't matter either way.

Rocketta
May 26th, 2012, 11:14 PM
Great writing. Really!

Question I've always asked, though: Why does it matter if it's a choice or not?In the US, all citizens should be guaranteed the same rights and considerations.

That's what I was going to say... why does it matter if it's a choice or not? :lol:

Dominic
May 27th, 2012, 01:20 AM
That's what I was going to say... why does it matter if it's a choice or not? :lol:

If it's not a choice, it is much easier to accept homosexuality for some ppl, sadly.

Cajka
May 27th, 2012, 01:57 AM
If it's not a choice, it is much easier to accept homosexuality for some ppl, sadly.

Even if it was a choice, it can't justify all the hate and the prejudices. But I'm sure that it's not a choice, I can't imagine myself making that choice. :spit:

ranfurly
May 27th, 2012, 01:59 AM
From Christian/former Christian perspective. I wrote something on it on Tumblr and I'd like some feedback. Make sure to read the mini-disclaimer at the top :p.

http://flameaaron.tumblr.com/post/23793123502/is-being-gay-a-choice-my-perspective

Good stuff mate,

Georgina Beyer would be proud of you!

Pops Maellard
May 27th, 2012, 02:00 AM
^ :lol:

Cajka
May 27th, 2012, 02:31 AM
I had this conversation with my (very conservative) father few years ago when I told him that I support homosexual marriages.

He was like: "I mean them no harm, but are you sure that they made the right choice?"

Well, there were obviously 2 things that needed to be explained. First, if we talk about the sexuality, there's obviously no such thing as a choice. The second thing about sexuality is that there's no right or wrong "choice". Being a homosexual is no right or wrong, just like being a heterosexual is no right or wrong. But it was too much for my dad. :lol:

I had the similar conversation with my dad few months ago and he said: "OK, I'm with you, I can support them, but I still can't understand how a man can be attracted to an another man."

Yeah, dad, I'm sure that you can't "understand" how a woman can be attracted to a man, but you don't care about it. Mind your own business then. :shrug:

jetglo
May 27th, 2012, 01:43 PM
Exactly. Tbh I think anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see how sexuality is not a choice, and I don't really see that issue being debated any more BUT as people have said, it shouldn't matter either way.

I've spoken to Christians who think it is chosen, and therefore can be "cured". Not an ounce between the lot of them,unfortunately.:(

miffedmax
May 27th, 2012, 10:09 PM
I've spoken to Christians who think it is chosen, and therefore can be "cured". Not an ounce between the lot of them,unfortunately.:(

Well, there's the rub. If it's a "choice" people will want to "correct" it (even if there's no real reason to do so).

Of course, given where we are headed with our ability to manipulate nature these days, it won't belong before they want to "cure" it.

Or maybe it will be okay with some people to have abortions if you have proof your child is going to be GLBT. :rolleyes:

MrProdigy555
May 28th, 2012, 05:56 PM
I don't think it's a choice, be it subconscious or not. Where in your childhood would you "choose" to like one sex over the other? That's something that doesn't really make sense to me. Even when subconscious choices are made we are able to witness those choices, even if we can't explain those choices or understand why we made said choices, but with sexuality there was no moment (in my life) where I even thought about it in order to justify the "decision".

And to be honest, I never really consciously thought about sexuality until my high school years.

MrProdigy555
Jun 12th, 2012, 03:54 AM
You still sound confused, to be honest. :lol:

Did you originally choose to have an attraction to men?

Novichok
Jun 12th, 2012, 03:55 AM
^ Who are you talking to?

MrProdigy555
Jun 12th, 2012, 04:26 AM
^ Who are you talking to?
THERE WAS A POST ABOVE MINE. They deleted, I guess. I knew I should have quoted it. :lol: