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tennisbum79
May 25th, 2012, 07:19 PM
If you thought this will never happen again, think again.

Ironically, some right wing groups in the US are cheering on Israelis, others are lamenting "Hitler did not finish the job".




Israeli anti-immigrant riots: Ignored by the organized Jewish community and the mainstream Western media


http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/riots.jpg (http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/05/israeli-anti-immigrant-riots-ignored-by-the-organized-jewish-community-and-the-mainstream-western-media/riots/)

Haaretz caption: Israelis protest against African migrant workers in South Tel Aviv




Peter Beinart (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/24/sound-of-silence.html) has become a thorn in the side of the organized Jewish community, this time pointing out that the same Jewish organizations (the ADL, the American Jewish Committee, AIPAC, and the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations) that are quick to condemn anti-immigrant sentiment in Europe and the US have not mentioned the recent riots in Tel Aviv in which Jews attacked African immigrants. This video captures some of the intense passions aroused in this situation.




This is yet another example of moral particularism by the Jewish community. While forever taking advantage of the Western tendencies to moral universalism (http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/06/guilt-tripping-the-europeans/), Jewish organizations simply pursue what’s best for Jews. There’s a strong conceptual link between this behavior and the behavior noted in Andrew Joyce’s excellent series (http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/05/revisiting-the-19th-century-russian-pogroms-part-1-russias-jewish-question/)on the 19th-century Russian “pogroms” where Jewish organizations actively engaged in deception on the form and scale of anti-Jewish behavior.


At 0:45, a man old enough know better, is using the language Germans used against Jews in the 1930's and 1940's.
Huamanity is doomed

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Source:http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/05/israeli-anti-immigrant-riots-ignored-by-the-organized-jewish-community-and-the-mainstream-western-media/

tennisbum79
May 25th, 2012, 07:34 PM
Even Knesset members took part in the racist demonstration



Anger after Knesset members attend racist rally in Tel Avi



By Ruth Michaelson in Ramallah (http://www.english.rfi.fr/auteur/ruth-michaelson-ramallah-0)


The Israeli activist group Peace Now is demanding the government launch an investigation after three Members of the Knesset, MK, attended an anti-immigrant demonstration in Tel Aviv.


The demonstration, which attracted several hundred people, took place late on Wednesday night and targeted the immigrant population of southern Tel Aviv, many of whom are from Eritrea and Sudan.




12 arrests were made after two demonstrators attacked a bystander and cars seen to be carrying African immigrants had their windscreens smashed.
Eyewitnesses reported hearing chants of “blacks out”, looting and demonstrators spitting at immigrants, as well as attacking those who attempted to prevent further violence.


The MKs Danny Dannon, Yariv Levin and Miri Regev all attended the demonstration. During an interview with an Israeli news site on Thursday morning, Regev said that she does not condone violence. She was later criticised for describing immigrants as a “cancer” on Israeli society.


There are an estimated 60,000 asylum seekers in Israel, many of whom have fled violent conflict in places such as Sudan. The granting of official refugee status remains a contentious issue for the Israeli state.


source: http://www.english.rfi.fr/middle-east/20120525-israeli-mks-face-questioning-after-attending-racist-march

shap_half
May 25th, 2012, 08:40 PM
I'm scheduled to go to Israel in a couple of weeks, and a couple of friends who have gone to Israel have already warned me of how incredibly aggressive and brash some Israelis can be. I've already been a victim of Israeli racism in Spain (one of the most ignorant countries I've ever been to) so, to be honest, I'm not even remotely shocked to read this.

tennisbum79
May 25th, 2012, 08:58 PM
I'm scheduled to go to Israel in a couple of weeks, and a couple of friends who have gone to Israel have already warned me of how incredibly aggressive and brash some Israelis can be. I've already been a victim of Israeli racism in Spain (one of the most ignorant countries I've ever been to) so, to be honest, I'm not even remotely shocked to read this.

About 5 years or so back, I had heard of discrimination against Ethiopian Jews by government institutions as well as private citizens.
The disturbing aspect is a number of offenders come from former Soviet Union countries, where Jews were systematically discriminated against for years.

PhilePhile
May 25th, 2012, 09:46 PM
About years or so back, I had heard of discrimination against Ethiopian Jews by government institutions as well as private citizens.
The disturbing aspect is a number of offenders come from former Soviet Union countries, where Jews were systematically discriminated against for years.

Interesting that there is a "Jewish" state in Russia ... Jewish Autonomous Oblast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Jewish_in_Russia.svg/300px-Jewish_in_Russia.svg.png


The Chinese province that share the border there also has some Jewish history.

njaVT5Vsdzg

tennisbum79
May 25th, 2012, 10:42 PM
Interesting that there is a "Jewish" state in Russia ... Jewish Autonomous Oblast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Jewish_in_Russia.svg/300px-Jewish_in_Russia.svg.png


The Chinese province that share the border there also has some Jewish history.

njaVT5Vsdzg


Thanks you for posting the link about Jewish Autonomous Oblast.

I was not aware of this piece fo history.

Now, only about 2% of the population is Jewish.

ys
May 26th, 2012, 01:57 AM
Just back from Israel..
I think that it is probably the most wonderful country I've ever visited, and the nicest people. Makes my sympathy to the country even stronger than it has ever been. Can't wait to go back and see more of it.

tennisbum79
May 26th, 2012, 02:09 AM
Just back from Israel..
I think that it is probably the most wonderful country I've ever visited, and the nicest people. Makes my sympathy to the country even stronger than it has ever been. Can't wait to go back and see more of it.
This development makes your sympathy stronger?

I am glad your sympathy for Jews has grown now they that they left Russia and are now doing to others what the Russians did to them. You taught them well

ys
May 26th, 2012, 02:33 AM
This development makes your sympathy stronger?

I am glad your sympathy for Jews has grown now they that they left Russia and are now doing to others what the Russians did to them. You taught them well

Have you been to Israel?
If not, whatever you say mean no more than a noise of a clueless insect .. If you did go to there, go ahead , share your experience.

As to Africans.. if the subject is the Sudanese illegal immigrants .. something that I briefly discussed with a guy in there .. I kind of agree .. they don't belong to there.. end of story. Israelis are in their full right to deport them back to Egypt .. or let them be.. Israel is a Jewish state, by definition, by design. Others are simply not welcome to reside there and should go elsewhere.

Sam L
May 26th, 2012, 03:09 AM
About 5 years or so back, I had heard of discrimination against Ethiopian Jews by government institutions as well as private citizens.
The disturbing aspect is a number of offenders come from former Soviet Union countries, where Jews were systematically discriminated against for years.

A person who has experienced racism against them can still be racist towards others. I don't see why Jews should be exempt from this. Racism exists everywhere.

Have you been to Israel?
If not, whatever you say mean no more than a noise of a clueless insect .. If you did go to there, go ahead , share your experience.


What has that got to do with anything? Even if you've been to Israel, unless if you met every single Israeli, your opinion shouldn't be any different? Most people who visit countries for a short while always have "nice times" because they visit places they want to visit and stay in hotels. A better question may be "Have you lived in Israel?" And even then it depends on where you live, your socioeconomic background etc..

tennisbum79
May 26th, 2012, 03:25 AM
Have you been to Israel?
If not, whatever you say mean no more than a noise of a clueless insect .. If you did go to there, go ahead , share your experience.
What this has to do with anything?
If you had not been there, would it be right to dismiss your opinion?

Moreover, there are people who live there and do not agree with you.

As to Africans.. if the subject is the Sudanese illegal immigrants .. something that I briefly discussed with a guy in there .. I kind of agree .. they don't belong to there.. end of story. Israelis are in their full right to deport them back to Egypt .. or let them be.. Israel is a Jewish state, by definition, by design. Others are simply not welcome to reside there and should go elsewhere.

This is consistent with your views on race, so I am not surprise

Russians Jews were not real Russians and did not belong there

ys
May 26th, 2012, 03:32 AM
What this has to do with anything?
If you had not been there, would it be right to dismiss your opinion?


Absolutely. You can't judge people or a country if you have no real knowledge of it. You don't know what is it to be a nation at war, to live virtually at a gunpoint, surrounded by enemies, you have no clue. You are in no position to judge anyone there. Neither am I, by the way.


Moreover, there are people who live there and do not agree with you.
Sure, it is a very democratic country. The only one in the whole f@cking region, by the way. Every nation has its own outlier of nuts.



This is consistent with your views on race, so I am not surprise
This has nothing to do with race.



Russians Jews were not real Russians and did not belong there
And what is this gibberish supposed to mean?:confused:

tennisbum79
May 26th, 2012, 03:37 AM
A person who has experienced racism against them can still be racist towards others. I don't see why Jews should be exempt from this. Racism exists everywhere.


This is not about singling out Jews and, saying that everybody does it is not a good defense.

A people that convinced the entire world, and rightfully so, on the danger of racism and bigotry, has a minimum amount of responsibility not to perpetuate the same evil.

Right now, if you were to visit certain right wing sites in the USA, a funny thing is happening.

Some are saying had Hitler finished the job, this would not be happening.


Others, and this is the majority, are now saying Jews have duped the American public by promoting immigration of non-white to the USA to weaken this country, while in Israel the Jews are doing exactly the opposite; i.e. what we, white Americans wanted to do, but the Jews convinced our politicians not to. They are destroying our country from within.

tennisbum79
May 26th, 2012, 03:39 AM
And what is this gibberish supposed to mean?:confused:
You said it, maybe you change your mind now.

ys
May 26th, 2012, 03:41 AM
You said it, maybe you change your mind now.

Can you give a link?

shap_half
May 26th, 2012, 03:47 AM
Just back from Israel..
I think that it is probably the most wonderful country I've ever visited, and the nicest people. Makes my sympathy to the country even stronger than it has ever been. Can't wait to go back and see more of it.

I'd be interested in sharing my feedback with you once I return from my visit and hearing more of your experience, if that's something you're open to discussing, as about 90% of people I know who've had the opportunity to visit Israel have had really negative things to say about most of the people they've met in Tel Aviv, which is where I'm going. I've met a few of people from Haifa during my travels around Europe and about half of them were, IMO, really terrible people who harbored racist attitudes (I'm from Asia).

I've recently had a conversation with a friend who is trying to arrange a trip to Tel Aviv right around the time I'll be there. She said that during the last two times she's been there as an adult, she was shocked by how vulgar some of the locals were. (She later explained that by vulgar, she meant that some of the people she encountered were at times uncouth and disrespectfully aggressive.) And that while she loves being in Israel and think the country is beautiful, some of the locals make it a difficult place to visit as an outsider.

I'm cautious, but I'm still looking forward to going.

miffedmax
May 26th, 2012, 03:57 AM
Have you been to Israel?
If not, whatever you say mean no more than a noise of a clueless insect .. If you did go to there, go ahead , share your experience.

As to Africans.. if the subject is the Sudanese illegal immigrants .. something that I briefly discussed with a guy in there .. I kind of agree .. they don't belong to there.. end of story. Israelis are in their full right to deport them back to Egypt .. or let them be.. Israel is a Jewish state, by definition, by design. Others are simply not welcome to reside there and should go elsewhere.

Does that apply to the 15-20% of Israelis who are Muslim or Christian?

ys
May 26th, 2012, 03:57 AM
I'd be interested in sharing my feedback with you once I return from my visit and hearing more of your experience, if that's something you're open to discussing, as about 90% of people I know who've had the opportunity to visit Israel have had really negative things to say about most of the people they've met in Tel Aviv, which is where I'm going. I've met a few of people from Haifa during my travels around Europe and about half of them were, IMO, really terrible people who harbored racist attitudes (I'm from Asia).


Sure.. I think we've met at US Open, right? About 7 or 8 years ago, right? I think I remember you..Your experience could indeed be very different from mine.. as I am not Asian..
People that I've met were just regular people - hotel workers, engineers, salespeople, doctors, security.. I felt very comfortable over there .. as nearly all people speak English.. and those who does not speak English normally speak Russian..
That some people there could bee rough .. well , that we know - ask Anna Chakvetadze.. :lol:
But overall I liked every minute in there..
I even thought that we also should introduce a conscript military service here.. at least for women.. That would really decrease the number of fat asses around here .. girls in Israel are remarkably slim, energetic and strong.. obviously thanks to military service :)

I've recently had a conversation with a friend who is trying to arrange a trip to Tel Aviv right around the time I'll be there. She said that during the last two times she's been there as an adult, she was shocked by how vulgar some of the locals were. (She later explained that by vulgar, she meant that some of the people she encountered were at times uncouth and disrespectfully aggressive.) And that while she loves being in Israel and think the country is beautiful, some of the locals make it a difficult place to visit as an outsider.
I'm cautious, but I'm still looking forward to going.

I'd like to hear about that.. because I've seen no sign of anyone being aggressive or disrespectful..

ys
May 26th, 2012, 04:02 AM
Does that apply to the 15-20% of Israelis who are Muslim or Christian?

Israelis are very tolerant to whoever already reside in the country. It's beyond the discussion. It's their home too. But the only kind of immigration that is welcome there is Jewish immigration, which is totally going by design of the country.

shap_half
May 26th, 2012, 04:04 AM
Sure.. I think we've met at US Open, right? About 7 or 8 years ago, right? I think I remember you..Your experience could indeed be very different from mine.. as I am not Asian..
People that I've met were just regular people - hotel workers, engineers, salespeople, doctors, security.. I felt very comfortable over there .. as nearly all people speak English.. and those who does not speak English normally speak Russian..
That some people there could bee rough .. well , that we know - ask Anna Chakvetadze.. :lol:
But overall I liked every minute in there..
I even thought that we also should introduce a conscript military service here.. at least for women.. That would really decrease the number of fat asses around here .. girls in Israel are remarkably slim, energetic and strong.. obviously thanks to military service :)

I'll try to remember to message you when I get back. I'm scheduled to fly out on the 4th, and I'll be in Israel for about a week.

About the US Open: I doubt that was me. I've only been once, and that was in 2009. (This is really a shame as I live in NYC.)


I'd like to hear about that.. because I've seen no sign of anyone being aggressive or disrespectful..

I'll ask her for more information. She didn't really get too much into it as I didn't want to hear specifics too close to when I'm going on my trip, but she made sure to warn me to be cautious that people might be more aggressive than I'm used to, which says if you're saying it to someone who lives in New York.

I wouldn't be surprised if what I've heard has been exaggerated. It is a lot easier to remember the errant bad experience.

tennisbum79
May 26th, 2012, 04:05 AM
Can you give a link?
The thread have been deleted and you know that.

But the context was a discussion about NYC Russian Jews.

darrinbaker00
May 26th, 2012, 04:07 AM
If you're reading ys' posts as anything other than comic relief, you're misreading them.

ys
May 26th, 2012, 04:11 AM
The thread have been deleted and you know that.

But the context was a discussion about NYC Russian Jews.

Then I am pretty sure you really don't remember at all what was it about..

I've never said "Russian Jews are not really Russians" because this statement makes no sense and means nothing.
What I've probably said about NYC Russian Jews that they are not really Jews. Which , I think, is true about most of American Jews, who are just ritualistic pretenders, with no real Jewish core, values and interest in heart. And Russians Jews are not even ritualistic pretenders, as most of them don't give a fuck about any traditional components of jewish life as going to the synagogue, eating kosher, observing Shabad.. Most of them are typical Soviet people, and their mentality is much more defined by that definition than by anything else.

ys
May 26th, 2012, 04:15 AM
I'll ask her for more information. She didn't really get too much into it as I didn't want to hear specifics too close to when I'm going on my trip, but she made sure to warn me to be cautious that people might be more aggressive than I'm used to, which says if you're saying it to someone who lives in New York.

I wouldn't be surprised if what I've heard has been exaggerated. It is a lot easier to remember the errant bad experience.

I'll probably be going back within a couple of months, as I have a bit of unfinished business over there.. Let me know how your trip goes..

ys
May 26th, 2012, 04:18 AM
The funniest moment was at my first security point in a hotel, where a security guard asked me in broken Russian "Pistolet est'?" which means "Got a gun?". That was so unexpected, I was taken totally aback .. and for few seconds was feverishly guessing , what is the right answer .. maybe everyone is supposed to have one, I should say "I forgot it at home , just a second, I'll go get it quick".. :)

tennisbum79
May 26th, 2012, 04:53 AM
If you're reading ys' posts as anything other than comic relief, you're misreading them.
Good piece of advice

cellophane
May 26th, 2012, 06:08 AM
Israelis are very tolerant to whoever already reside in the country. It's beyond the discussion. It's their home too. But the only kind of immigration that is welcome there is Jewish immigration, which is totally going by design of the country.


One of mom's friends husband who is Russian Jewish by descent (and who has been in Israel for 20 years) has had his foreign passport taken away because someone complained about him promoting " Christianity" and now there is going to be a hearing about him possibly coming into the country "illegally as a Christian" and he could apparently face the possibility of getting deported (don't know how real it is).

tennisbum79
May 26th, 2012, 06:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by miffedmax http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images2007/buttons/lastpost.gif (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=21492662#post21492662)
Does that apply to the 15-20% of Israelis who are Muslim or Christian?


Israelis are very tolerant to whoever already reside in the country. It's beyond the discussion. It's their home too. But the only kind of immigration that is welcome there is Jewish immigration, which is totally going by design of the country.

That is a very novel idea.
However, many the Muslims and Christians were already residents of the land, they did not immigrate there; so why does your definition of tolerance does not apply to them?

You seem to infer they are still a tolerant society despite this glaring contradiction