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JN
May 21st, 2012, 09:15 PM
SERIOUSLY? France BANS The Release OF "Think Like A Man" Over LACK OF DIVERSITY!

May 21 | by YBF (http://theybf.com/users/ybf-0)
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In a shocking move which some think is blatantly racist, France has decided to cancel the release of the major hit film Think Like A Man (http://theybf.com/2012/04/23/think-like-a-man-1-at-box-office-wins-with-33m-in-ticket-sales) -- due to the casts' alleged "lack of diversity."


Tim Story's blockbuster hit Think Like A Man has raked in over $73 million since its April 20th release. But that means nothing to the french movie guild.

While tons of French films and films from any country are produced year after year with "Black characters" that can be counted on one hand (if at all), France has decided that Think Like A Man DOES NOT promote diversity and has been banned. So the films with all white casts do promote diversity?

Majority of films starring majority black casts never make it overseas. Because it is said that the people of those countries "will not relate and will not want to see that." This also affects how black and other ethnicity are perceived globally if there's never anything allowed to counteract negative stereotypes. So how does it makes sense to ban a positive film starring a cast of minorities when the film could actually stimulate diversity in the future? Global Voices (http://globalvoicesonline.org/2012/05/08/martinique-think-like-a-man-just-not-in-france/)offered an answer saying,

“Surprising as it may be, the answer lies in the fact that the film has an all-black cast. French cinema is often pointed at for not fairly displaying all components of the country’s multiethnic population. Although the recent success of the movie Les Intouchables, which earned French African actor Omar Sy the Cesar award for Best Actor in 2012, caused great pride and hope among French nationals from Africa and the Caribbean, it was not to be the turning point for a deep and lasting change.”

If it still doesn't make sense, French blog People Bo Kay (http://www.people-bokay.com/la-france-ne-veut-pas-de-couples-noirs-au-cinema/)added (translated), "The French state has had a sociopolitical strategy which favors interracial relationships rather than valuing communities. In the comedy ‘Think like a Man', the focus is on black couples."

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So we're just ignoring the relationship between Gabrielle Union's character and "Turtle"/Jerry Ferrara? This sounds like some ish they'd try in Hollywood. It's interesting to note that France also bans the release of Tyler Perry flicks.

“Black actor and producer Tyler Perry’s movies are never scheduled in any French movie theaters or are only released in DVDs, even though he has been used to leading the US box-office, as with ‘Why did I get Married’ and ‘For Colored Girls’. The French society acts hypocritically, when it refuses to show movies from black producers who earn millions from conveying a positive message to the African diaspora through their films.”

Do you think the French are being racist in a reverse way? Or do you agree with their explanation?

SPEAK ON IT!

(Source (http://Source))


:rolleyes:

debopero
May 21st, 2012, 09:17 PM
In before the lock.

HippityHop
May 21st, 2012, 09:33 PM
Second before the lock. :)

Alizé Molik
May 21st, 2012, 09:57 PM
I'm not sure if this actually happened :/ or could possibly happen. Is there a source for this that isn't a blog/online "magazine" that steals it's stories from blogs?

At any rate, very few of Tyler Perry's movies (or similar films like this one) get realeased anywhere outside the US. He is like a superstar in the US but not known at all anywhere else. I would imagine that this film would be no exception to that. Just because a film has been popular in the US does not mean that it will be successful or even picked up for distribution anywhere else in the world.

ToopsTame
May 21st, 2012, 10:44 PM
Yeah, I don't buy it. I googled it and all the articles reference the same original blog post. French society has racial issues, but this doesn't make any sense. Need more proof.

PhilePhile
May 21st, 2012, 11:05 PM
I only see one "black" person there?

However, the title "Think Like a Man" does suggest "LACK OF DIVERSITY".:p

Djezonfly
May 21st, 2012, 11:38 PM
France wouldn't ban a movie unless it's extremely violent/graphic. I think the last one that was banned (meaning no theatrical release) was Baise-moi, and it was like a decade ago.

I went to see Dreamgirls and Precious for instance, so movies with "black characters" definitely get released over here.

That being said, they probably faced distribution problems because Tyler Perry and any actor starring in this movie are complete nobodies in France. So the people in charge of these things must have been pretty much convinced that it would bomb.

hobahobaspirit
May 22nd, 2012, 12:47 AM
Unbelievable how some people don't bother using their common sense. They just accept everything they read and assume it's true :rolleyes:

delicatecutter
May 22nd, 2012, 01:59 AM
France wouldn't ban a movie unless it's extremely violent/graphic. I think the last one that was banned (meaning no theatrical release) was Baise-moi, and it was like a decade ago.

I went to see Dreamgirls and Precious for instance, so movies with "black characters" definitely get released over here.

That being said, they probably faced distribution problems because Tyler Perry and any actor starring in this movie are complete nobodies in France. So the people in charge of these things must have been pretty much convinced that it would bomb.

Quoted for truth. :worship:

dybbuk
May 22nd, 2012, 02:14 AM
I dunno about this movie, but maybe they just ban Tyler Perry movies because they're all shit. I tip my hat to France for keeping him out of their country tbh.

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 02:37 AM
I'm not sure if this actually happened :/ or could possibly happen. Is there a source for this that isn't a blog/online "magazine" that steals it's stories from blogs?

At any rate, very few of Tyler Perry's movies (or similar films like this one) get realeased anywhere outside the US. He is like a superstar in the US but not known at all anywhere else. I would imagine that this film would be no exception to that. Just because a film has been popular in the US does not mean that it will be successful or even picked up for distribution anywhere else in the world.

Yeah, I don't buy it. I googled it and all the articles reference the same original blog post. French society has racial issues, but this doesn't make any sense. Need more proof.

Unbelievable how some people don't bother using their common sense. They just accept everything they read and assume it's true :rolleyes:

Funny how many of you assume if a story's not in the mainstream media, it's untrue. Blogs and social media are the reason for the Trayvon Martin killing gaining national and then international attention. If you wanna play ostrich by sticking your heads in the sand when something rubs you the wrong way, simply do so and STFU, until you can prove your point, which none of you have done. Honestly, I hope this shit isn't true, and if it turns out to be, I'll wish it weren't.

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About (http://globalvoicesonline.org/about/)

Global Voices is a community of more than 500 bloggers and translators around the world who work together to bring you reports from blogs and citizen media everywhere, with emphasis on voices that are not ordinarily heard in international mainstream media.Global Voices seeks to aggregate, curate, and amplify the global conversation online - shining light on places and people other media often ignore. We work to develop tools, institutions and relationships that will help all voices, everywhere, to be heard.
From a link in the OP:
Martinique: “Think Like A Man”, Just Not in France (http://globalvoicesonline.org/2012/05/08/martinique-think-like-a-man-just-not-in-france/)

Knowledge won't necessarily kill you, but ignorance definitely will.

ToopsTame
May 22nd, 2012, 03:47 AM
Funny how many of you assume if a story's not in the mainstream media, it's untrue. Blogs and social media are the reason for the Trayvon Martin killing gaining national and then international attention. If you wanna play ostrich by sticking your heads in the sand when something rubs you the wrong way, simply do so and STFU, until you can prove your point, which none of you have done. Honestly, I hope this shit isn't true, and if it turns out to be, I'll wish it weren't.

http://static.globalvoices.s3.amazonaws.com/img/tmpl/lingua-plainlogo.gif
About (http://globalvoicesonline.org/about/)

Global Voices is a community of more than 500 bloggers and translators around the world who work together to bring you reports from blogs and citizen media everywhere, with emphasis on voices that are not ordinarily heard in international mainstream media.Global Voices seeks to aggregate, curate, and amplify the global conversation online - shining light on places and people other media often ignore. We work to develop tools, institutions and relationships that will help all voices, everywhere, to be heard.
From a link in the OP:
Martinique: “Think Like A Man”, Just Not in France (http://globalvoicesonline.org/2012/05/08/martinique-think-like-a-man-just-not-in-france/)

Knowledge won't necessarily kill you, but ignorance definitely will.

LOL you need to relax. So far it's been posted by one blogger, no corroboration by any other sources at all, just other people cutting and pasting from the same original blogpost. Doesn't pass any test of reasonableness.

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 04:55 AM
LOL you need to relax. So far it's been posted by one blogger, no corroboration by any other sources at all, just other people cutting and pasting from the same original blogpost. Doesn't pass any test of reasonableness.

That was my entire point. Wait and see before dismissing it like so many did with the Trayvon Martin case.

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 04:59 AM
And when it's proven true, there'll be no need for you to create a thread, cuz I've already created it for you! :banana:

LeRoy.
May 22nd, 2012, 05:08 AM
I wish Tyler Perry movies were banned in the US. :oh:

Stamp Paid
May 22nd, 2012, 05:13 AM
Somebody should release it independently. From the blogs and articles, it seems that at the very least, a lot of Black French people would like to see it.

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 05:17 AM
I wish Tyler Perry movies were banned in the US. :oh:

I'd settle for just the ones with Ma'dear in 'em being banned. :help:

ToopsTame
May 22nd, 2012, 06:09 AM
That was my entire point. Wait and see before dismissing it like so many did with the Trayvon Martin case.

LOL, you have no sense of proportion. Stop comparing it to the Trayvon Martin shooting, which was on a major local news show, covered by actual journalists, the day after it happened. It didn't go national for a while but it was already in local and state news and corroborated by police records. This other story is all based on one very implausible blog post. Tilting at windmills.

Somebody should release it independently. From the blogs and articles, it seems that at the very least, a lot of Black French people would like to see it.

It does look like the distributor dropped the ball. They might have assumed that it wouldn't make much money in France so it wasn't worth dubbing/subbing, promoting and doing distribution for. Whether they did that because they don't understand their audience or have backward notions about what black movies are about, who knows.

Alizé Molik
May 22nd, 2012, 07:39 AM
That was my entire point. Wait and see before dismissing it like so many did with the Trayvon Martin case.

:confused: What does this have to do with Trayvon Martin? Two completely different stories reported in totally different ways. There would have been statements from the police and from local journalists that then fed the nation-wide news coverage.

Where is the source of this allegation beyond just a blogger interpreting the fact that a movie did not get a cinematic release as indicative of French racism. If this was a government decision then there would be some record of it.

For what it's worth, I think you using Trayvon Martin's case as some reference point in a completely unrelated topic is slightly misguided or to use your language: "ignorant".

duhcity
May 22nd, 2012, 08:10 AM
If anyone is to blame for a negative perception of black cinema it's Tyler Perry, and the god-awful Madea character.

Beat
May 22nd, 2012, 08:52 AM
firstly, this movie wasn't "banned", it just wasn't released. secondly, it's not a country, but a distributor who decides whether a movie is being released in a certain country or not.

these tyler perry movies are purely for an american audience; i don't remember any of them being released here. and no, this doesn't have anything to do with racism, so: stupid article.

Djezonfly
May 22nd, 2012, 11:05 AM
a lot of Black French people would like to see it.

Not only Black people :shrug: I'm white and would like to see it too ;) (Gabrielle Union :worship:)

NyCPsU
May 22nd, 2012, 12:58 PM
:lol: at JN. Such a fool. :sobbing:

Mynarco
May 22nd, 2012, 01:01 PM
Tyler WHO?

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 02:15 PM
Thanks for chiming in people. Stories like these too often fly under the mainstream radar... it's not only Americans who're guilty of acting out based on racism and bigotry.

égalité
May 22nd, 2012, 03:09 PM
Does this mean there'll be no "Madea Goes to France?" :tears:

Hurley
May 22nd, 2012, 05:01 PM
What probably happened here is the blogger in the initial post uncovered a problem, but misstated it.

The issue seems to be that films with predominantly black casts are often overlooked for distribution in France. That is a problem, particularly considering France has a large black population.

But I severely doubt this (and numerous Tyler Perry films before it) were BANNED due to "lack of diversity," because we would have heard about this before. The "lack of diversity" is the aforementioned failure to distribute.

Someone could probably make a lot of money in France by forming a company and distributing these (and other) films there.

ptkten
May 22nd, 2012, 05:09 PM
What probably happened here is the blogger in the initial post uncovered a problem, but misstated it.

The issue seems to be that films with predominantly black casts are often overlooked for distribution in France. That is a problem, particularly considering France has a large black population.

But I severely doubt this (and numerous Tyler Perry films before it) were BANNED due to "lack of diversity," because we would have heard about this before. The "lack of diversity" is the aforementioned failure to distribute.

Someone could probably make a lot of money in France by forming a company and distributing these (and other) films there.

I agree completely, I'm sure it wasn't banned they just probably couldn't find a distributor. That being said, while Tyler Perry movies are probably not the best movies to distribute, the black population in France is likely under-served by the movie distributors there and I think it could be successful with the right ad campaign.

ToopsTame
May 22nd, 2012, 06:18 PM
Just to clarify, this isn't a Tyler Perry movie. The original blog post brings up Tyler Perry movies as examples, but this movie has a different production team.

Ryan
May 22nd, 2012, 06:20 PM
Keep it civil, K people? It may be true, it may not be - lets wait and see, but no need to insult the OP about it.

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 06:25 PM
Keep it civil, K people? It may be true, it may not be - lets wait and see, but no need to insult the OP about it.

Thanks Ryan, but you know I'll handle whatever comes my way. Some ain't built for this, but I don't have that problem.

Soliloque
May 22nd, 2012, 06:32 PM
Wait and see what ? That someone officially deny a lie written by a random person on a blog ? Last time I checked, it's up to the people making accusations to have solid evidences.

Good to see that the OP has the right to insult an entire country without any kind of proofs and still be considered as the victim :rolleyes:

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 06:44 PM
Think Like a Man Banned in France

Some say racism keeps the film out of French theaters.

By Marcus Reeves | 05/22/2012 12:45 PM EDT

http://www.bet.com/news/celebrities/2012/05/22/is-think-like-a-man-banned-in-france/_jcr_content/featuredMedia/newsitemimage.newsimage.dimg/041612-shows-106-taraji-henson-Think-Like-A-Man.jpg

Is it a coincidence that the runaway hit comedy (http://www.bet.com/news/celebrities/2012/04/23/box-office-think-like-a-man-beats-hunger-games.html) Think Like a Man hasn’t been released in French movie theaters or is it a matter racism?

Global Voices (http://globalvoicesonline.org/2012/05/08/martinique-think-like-a-man-just-not-in-france/) writer Fabienne Flessel says it is the latter, citing the fact that despite the Black film doing well in the U.S, it will not get released in France. Flessel’s biggest example is Tyler Perry, writing: “Black actor and producer Tyler Perry's movies are never scheduled in any French movie theaters or are only released in DVDs, even though he has been used to leading the U.S. box office, as with Why Did I Get Married and For Colored Girls. The French society acts hypocritically, when it refuses to show movies from Black producers who earn millions from conveying a positive message to the African diaspora through their films.”

While the French film community — like their American counterparts — don’t believe that films with all-Black casts can do well at the box office, some bloggers suggest that another reason for France’s cinematic racial profiling is a cry of reverse discrimination. That an all-Black cast discriminates against white actors and isolates a white audience. But Think Like a Man has a multi-racial cast (http://www.bet.com/news/celebrities/2012/04/30/box-office-think-like-a-man-kills-the-competition.html) and has grossed nearly $100 million at the box office and has had a huge white audience.

Then again, if a 6-foot 5-inch Black man making millions playing a Black woman can’t open up the hearts of white French movie power brokers, a lovable cast of folks looking for love probably won’t do any good either.

(Source (http://www.bet.com/news/celebrities/2012/05/22/is-think-like-a-man-banned-in-france.html))

ToopsTame
May 22nd, 2012, 06:49 PM
Dude, it's another article with Fabienne Fiessel's blog post as the only source.

Ryan
May 22nd, 2012, 07:16 PM
Wait and see what ? That someone officially deny a lie written by a random person on a blog ? Last time I checked, it's up to the people making accusations to have solid evidences.

Good to see that the OP has the right to insult an entire country without any kind of proofs and still be considered as the victim :rolleyes:


How am I making someone the victim, by asking people to be civil to them? Just because you don't trust their source, doesn't mean you get to be a dick.

Beat
May 22nd, 2012, 07:21 PM
since my last post seems to have been ignored, i'll ask again: in how many european countries have these tyler perry movies had a proper release and become hits?

just give it up already.

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 07:22 PM
Dude, it's another article with Fabienne Fiessel's blog post as the only source.

And??? Were you under the false impression it was posted for your benefit? :confused:

Soliloque
May 22nd, 2012, 07:23 PM
http://straightfromthea.com/2012/05/22/wtf-think-like-a-man-banned-in-france-producer-will-packer-responds/

Here. A link about another article spreading the lie. In the article you can read the actual producer of the movie saying that his movie is not banned in France.

Now can this thread be deleted ? Or is the movie producers lying too ?

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 07:31 PM
http://straightfromthea.com/2012/05/22/wtf-think-like-a-man-banned-in-france-producer-will-packer-responds/

Here. A link about another article spreading the lie. In the article you can read the actual producer of the movie saying that his movie is not banned in France.

Now can this thread be deleted ? Or is the movie producers lying too ?

That article says the exact same thing as the other two I posted. You seem to be caught up on the word "Banned" which isn't the point. The point is that these films aren't reaching Blacks throughout the diaspora for whatever sinister or innocent reasons. I RETRACT THE WORD "BANNED". Feel better now? Geeze!

Soliloque
May 22nd, 2012, 07:32 PM
How am I making someone the victim, by asking people to be civil to them? Just because you don't trust their source, doesn't mean you get to be a dick.

Sure, cause calling dicks people who are just trying to fight a lie based on a blog is acting like an adult.

Stamp Paid
May 22nd, 2012, 07:34 PM
And this movie is NOT A TYLER PERRY MOVIE, for what its worth. :lol:

Soliloque
May 22nd, 2012, 07:34 PM
That article says the exact same thing as the other two I posted. You seem to be caught up on the word "Banned" which isn't the point. The point is that these films aren't reaching Blacks throughout the diaspora for whatever sinister or innocent reasons. I RETRACT THE WORD "BANNED". Feel better now? Geeze!

I'll be happy when the words France, French and ban will disappear. The decision of a distributor has not to be confused with anything else.

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 07:38 PM
I'll be happy when the words France, French and ban will disappear. The decision of a distributor has not to be confused with anything else.

When the decisions of these distributors follows a pattern of discrimination, yes, there are other issues involved. The distribution of all of anything being "canceled" throws up a red flag that requires examination.

Soliloque
May 22nd, 2012, 07:41 PM
When the decisions of these distributors follows a pattern of discrimination, yes, there are other issues involved. The distribution of all of anything being "canceled" throws up a red flag that requires examination.

France has not canceled a movie since 1979. Period. France has nothing to do with this decision. It's not that hard to understand.

NyCPsU
May 22nd, 2012, 07:45 PM
I could probably find 10 movies with predominantly white casts that werent released in France this year also. If it isnt going to be popular there it just isnt going to get picked up. This is an American themed movie with people who are really only stars in America, catered to the American public, get over it.

Absolutley absurd this thread has this many replies.

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 07:46 PM
France has not canceled a movie since 1979. Period. France has nothing to do with this decision. It's not that hard to understand.

If all this is about is semantics, to you, I'd hate to see how you react when you're confronted with real negativity.

Soliloque
May 22nd, 2012, 07:49 PM
If all this is about is semantics, to you, I'd hate to see how you react when you're confronted with real negativity.

I'm sorry to tell you that words have an actual meaning. Maybe the distributor's reasons for cancelling the release of the movie were related to lack of diversity, I don't know. But as a French person, I can't let you say in a thread title that my country banned a movie for lack of diversity if it's wrong.

Hurley
May 22nd, 2012, 07:51 PM
I RETRACT THE WORD "BANNED". Feel better now?

Yes - because that was the issue. :shrug:

You should probably edit the thread title as well.

ToopsTame
May 22nd, 2012, 07:53 PM
France has not canceled a movie since 1979. Period. France has nothing to do with this decision. It's not that hard to understand.

Seriously. He should get angry at Sony pictures or whatever. "France" didn't "ban" the release of this movie over a "lack of diversity" which makes the whole title of this thread wrong.

It does bring up a good point about films with predominantly black casts not getting a fair shake abroad. That's worth talking about much more. Another study recently noted that POC audiences in the US spend proportionately more on movies than white audiences, yet the visibility of POC on film hasn't improved much in recent years.

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 07:53 PM
I'm sorry to tell you that words have an actual meaning. Maybe the distributor's reasons for cancelling the release of the movie were related to lack of diversity, I don't know. But as a French person, I can't let you say in a thread title that my country banned a movie for lack of diversity if it's wrong.

Well, I'm only the messenger, so we'll agree the decisions are those of French distributors and not the French government.

Hurley
May 22nd, 2012, 07:54 PM
Well, I'm only the messenger, so we'll agree the decisions are those of French distributors and not the French government.

And that nothing was BANNED, also. Correct?

Soliloque
May 22nd, 2012, 07:57 PM
Well, I'm only the messenger, so we'll agree the decisions are those of French distributors and not the French government.

Indeed. The decision of French distributors. And we'll also agree that there's no actual proof that the decision was taken for lack of diversity as many movies starring afro-americans have already been released in France.

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 08:03 PM
And that nothing was BANNED, also. Correct?

Cancelled/banned...the end results of both are the same. Too soon to know for sure.

Edit: Oh wait, I already retracted it in #39. Oh well. Cancellation of all of Tyler Perry's movies aren't cool, though. I may have to retract my retraction depending on what else arises. ;)

Indeed. The decision of French distributors. And we'll also agree that there's no actual proof that the decision was taken for lack of diversity as many movies starring afro-americans have already been released in France.

The reasons remain to be seen. This story is just now getting its legs.

Hurley
May 22nd, 2012, 08:04 PM
Heh...if you Google "think like a man france" it appears that this story has acquired some legs. It will be interesting to hear official responses from all the players.

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/pop%20corn/grand/popcorn.gif

Stamp Paid
May 22nd, 2012, 08:08 PM
I agree completely, I'm sure it wasn't banned they just probably couldn't find a distributor. That being said, while Tyler Perry movies are probably not the best movies to distribute, the black population in France is likely under-served by the movie distributors there and I think it could be successful with the right ad campaign.I agree. It would be a great business idea for a fledgling distribution company to target this market. Just looking at the response to this and the Miss Black France pageant, there is definitely a market for this in France. Some distributor will realize it sooner or later.

Is there no Black cinema tradition in France, like there is in the US?

Soliloque
May 22nd, 2012, 08:08 PM
Giving the success of the movie in the US, I wouldn't be surprised if the movie is actually released in France in the next few weeks. That would close the story definitely.

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 08:12 PM
Giving the success of the movie in the US, I wouldn't be surprised if the movie is actually released in France in the next few weeks. That would close the story definitely.

The success of the movie in the US is already well- and widely-known, so if there is a French release, who are you to say the Global Voices posting didn't get the ball rolling? You can't.

Nicolas
May 22nd, 2012, 08:13 PM
just close this thread ASAP, thx.....

Soliloque
May 22nd, 2012, 08:15 PM
The success of the movie in the US is already well- and widely-known, so if there is a French release, who are you to say the Global Voices posting didn't get the ball rolling? You can't.

Cause nobody in France actually cares about the Global Voices ? If you really think that some French people would change their choices because they're being criticized, then you really don't know French people and their pride.

Hurley
May 22nd, 2012, 08:15 PM
Cancelled/banned...the end results of both are the same.

No. That is where you are wrong.

I think I don't have to define "ban" for you...so I won't.

Now. IF a French distribution company were to pick up distribution rights for this film and try to place it in cinemas, no one would stop them. So, that is where your use of the word "ban" (which, again, I am not defining, because I don't believe I have to) is incorrect. So the "end results of both" are actually completely opposite.

Next. I think you are confused as to what distribution is. A film is produced and sometimes it has worldwide distribution rights upon its production, and sometimes it has distribution rights for certain areas guaranteed. Sometimes (particularly for independent productions) no distribution rights are in place and they get acquired after the production is completed. (Film festivals are often used to show films and hopefully acquire distribution.)

Many many many films are made and many of those films never acquire distribution - sometimes even in their countries of origin, including the United States. In fact, so many films which are critically or even commercially successful outside of the United States, including American productions, do not ever get a cinematic release within the United States because no distributor in the United States will take a chance on it. It costs money to make prints, and it costs money to have exhibitors to show your prints. If you don't think the film is worth the gamble, you will pass.

There are many douchebags in the film production industry but I guarantee you they only see one color when it comes to their business. That color is green.

As I said in one of my earlier posts, I think the French companies are making a mistake by passing on "Think Like A Man," and Tyler Perry movies in general (which is not to say that TLAM is a Tyler Perry movie, because it isn't, and everyone knows that by now, I think, but TP's movies were brought up as a congruent example in the blog post and that's why people are talking about them). I think there is an audience for them in France. And I think a wise company would pick up distribution rights for films with predominantly black casts in the future (whether it be TP's or Steve Harvey's or whoever's) and get them into cinemas.

And no one would stop them.

BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BANNED. Which I don't think I have to define.

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 08:17 PM
No. That is where you are wrong.

I think I don't have to define "ban" for you...so I won't.

Now. IF a French distribution company were to pick up distribution rights for this film and try to place it in cinemas, no one would stop them. So, that is where your use of the word "ban" (which, again, I am not defining, because I don't believe I have to) is incorrect. So the "end results of both" are actually completely opposite.

Next. I think you are confused as to what distribution is. A film is produced and sometimes it has worldwide distribution rights upon its production, and sometimes it has distribution rights for certain areas guaranteed. Sometimes (particularly for independent productions) no distribution rights are in place and they get acquired after the production is completed. (Film festivals are often used to show films and hopefully acquire distribution.)

Many many many films are made and many of those films never acquire distribution - sometimes even in their countries of origin, including the United States. In fact, so many films which are critically or even commercially successful outside of the United States, including American productions, do not ever get a cinematic release within the United States because no distributor in the United States will take a chance on it. It costs money to make prints, and it costs money to have exhibitors to show your prints. If you don't think the film is worth the gamble, you will pass.

There are many douchebags in the film production industry but I guarantee you they only see one color when it comes to their business. That color is green.

As I said in one of my earlier posts, I think the French companies are making a mistake by passing on "Think Like A Man," and Tyler Perry movies in general (which is not to say that TLAM is a Tyler Perry movie, because it isn't, and everyone knows that by now, I think, but TP's movies were brought up as a congruent example in the blog post and that's why people are talking about them). I think there is an audience for them in France. And I think a wise company would pick up distribution rights for films with predominantly black casts in the future (whether it be TP's or Steve Harvey's or whoever's) and get them into cinemas.

And no one would stop them.

BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BANNED. Which I don't think I have to define.

I edited my post before you replied, and I know what distribution is.

Hurley
May 22nd, 2012, 08:19 PM
I edited my post before you replied, and I know what distribution is.

Fair enough.

Was there actually a scheduled release? If so, then they could easily reschedule it if demand increases. Part of the fun of the free market.

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 08:21 PM
Cause nobody in France actually cares about the Global Voices ? If you really think that some French people would change their choices because they're being criticized, then you really don't know French people and their pride.

You're speaking for the whole of France? I became aware of Global Voices thru YBF, so I'm sure there are French who traveled a similar route.

Stamp Paid
May 22nd, 2012, 08:22 PM
just close this thread ASAP, thx.....Geez Louise Fascist, sorry if some people like to actually have discussions about these kinds of things. :lol::lol:

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 08:26 PM
Fair enough.

Was there actually a scheduled release? If so, then they could easily reschedule it if demand increases. Part of the fun of the free market.

Not According to IMDb:

Release dates for
Think Like a Man (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1621045/) (2012 (http://www.imdb.com/year/2012/))

India (http://www.imdb.com/calendar/?region=IN) 23 March (http://www.imdb.com/date/03-23/) 2012 (http://www.imdb.com/year/2012/)
USA (http://www.imdb.com/calendar/?region=US) 20 April (http://www.imdb.com/date/04-20/) 2012 (http://www.imdb.com/year/2012/)
Ireland (http://www.imdb.com/calendar/?region=IE) 22 June (http://www.imdb.com/date/06-22/) 2012 (http://www.imdb.com/year/2012/)
UK (http://www.imdb.com/calendar/?region=GB) 22 June (http://www.imdb.com/date/06-22/) 2012 (http://www.imdb.com/year/2012/)
Ukraine (http://www.imdb.com/calendar/?region=UA) 14 July (http://www.imdb.com/date/07-14/) 2012 (http://www.imdb.com/year/2012/)
Taiwan (http://www.imdb.com/calendar/?region=TW) 20 July (http://www.imdb.com/date/07-20/) 2012 (http://www.imdb.com/year/2012/)
Argentina (http://www.imdb.com/calendar/?region=AR) 16 August (http://www.imdb.com/date/08-16/) 2012 (http://www.imdb.com/year/2012/)
Germany (http://www.imdb.com/calendar/?region=DE) 30 August (http://www.imdb.com/date/08-30/) 2012 (http://www.imdb.com/year/2012/)
Estonia (http://www.imdb.com/calendar/?region=EE) 31 August (http://www.imdb.com/date/08-31/) 2012 (http://www.imdb.com/year/2012/)
Romania (http://www.imdb.com/calendar/?region=RO) 31 August (http://www.imdb.com/date/08-31/) 2012 (http://www.imdb.com/year/2012/)
Belgium (http://www.imdb.com/calendar/?region=BE) 12 September (http://www.imdb.com/date/09-12/) 2012 (http://www.imdb.com/year/2012/)
Denmark (http://www.imdb.com/calendar/?region=DK) 27 September (http://www.imdb.com/date/09-27/) 2012 (http://www.imdb.com/year/2012/)
Sweden (http://www.imdb.com/calendar/?region=SE) 28 September (http://www.imdb.com/date/09-28/) 2012 (http://www.imdb.com/year/2012/)
Norway (http://www.imdb.com/calendar/?region=NO) 5 October (http://www.imdb.com/date/10-05/) 2012 (http://www.imdb.com/year/2012/)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1621045/releaseinfo

Soliloque
May 22nd, 2012, 08:29 PM
French sites about cinema all had the 30th of May for release date. Some even still have it.

Hurley
May 22nd, 2012, 08:35 PM
It is a good discussion. I've never been to France, but my opinion of it is of a very strong multi-cultural nation. Sure there are blow-ups, but what diverse nation doesn't have them?

I look at recent films like "La Haine" and co-productions with Algeria like "Indigenes," and films which touch on French/Algerian relations like "Cache" and even going back to the allegorical "Z" (1969)...I can't speak for the French nor do I have any real in-depth study of French film in my portfolio, but it seems like films relating to race and immigration are often more troubling films, and that could be a reflection of the French film industry struggling to incorporate a new, diverse generation into their film tradition.

Of course those of us outside of France are probably mainly exposed to the highfalutin' crap and miss the general B-grade romcoms and action films which are solely entertainment. Blame the distributors :D

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 08:38 PM
French sites about cinema all had the 30th of May for release date. Some even still have it.

Links?

Soliloque
May 22nd, 2012, 08:39 PM
Links?

http://www.linternaute.com/cinema/film/1755735/think-like-a-man/
http://www.premiere.fr/film/Think-Like-A-Man-3136652
http://cinema.nouvelobs.com/films/7134-think-like-a-man

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 08:51 PM
http://www.linternaute.com/cinema/film/1755735/think-like-a-man/
http://www.premiere.fr/film/Think-Like-A-Man-3136652
http://cinema.nouvelobs.com/films/7134-think-like-a-man

Thanks. Let's hope they go thru with it.

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 10:17 PM
Does this mean there'll be no "Madea Goes to France?" :tears:

Would you settle for Senegal or Haiti? :shrug:

Singleniacki
May 23rd, 2012, 01:15 AM
Maybe it was just a shit movie :lol:

I can't believe people are getting so worked up over this :rolls:

JN
May 23rd, 2012, 02:25 AM
Maybe it was just a shit movie :lol:

I can't believe people are getting so worked up over this :rolls:

Not hardly. ;)

'Think Like A Man': Box Office Surprise Stuns 'Hunger Games'

by Christopher Rosen (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-rosen) | Posted: 04/21/2012

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/577097/thumbs/s-THINK-LIKE-A-MAN-large.jpg

"Think Like A Man," (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1621045/) the new adaptation of Steve Harvey's best-selling book, earned a muscular $9 million at the box office on Friday (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/think-like-man-lucky-one-hunger-games-box-office-314648), reports THR. That puts the little-discussed film on track to knock "The Hunger Games" out of the top position when final numbers are tabulated on Monday. (Deadline.com's Nikki Finke was even more bullish on "Think Like a Man," reporting Friday grosses of $12 million (http://www.deadline.com/2012/04/frist-box-office-steve-harveys-think-like-a-man-sleeper-1-the-lucky-one-overperforming-2-hunger-games-holding-3-even-chimpanzee-swinging/).)

UPDATE: Finke's estimates were dead-on: "Think Like a Man" earned $12.2 million on Friday (https://twitter.com/#%21/Boxoffice/status/193716781876117504), which could push it over $30 million for the weekend.

(Continued... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/21/think-like-a-man-box-office_n_1442581.html))

Weekly ratings - http://movies.yahoo.com/box-office/

Alizé Molik
May 23rd, 2012, 07:43 AM
Keep it civil, K people? It may be true, it may not be - lets wait and see, but no need to insult the OP about it.

Actually the only insults were the OP quoting other people's responses and accusing them of being ignorant racists. We all have the ability to open threads, if someone choses to do so they need to accept that other people are not going to agree with them. It's not fair for you to come in and try and protect certain people from criticism while completely ignoring everything that person has said.

LoveFifteen
May 23rd, 2012, 08:39 AM
Absolute death @ the thought of the French government "banning" a movie. :rolls:

Are they imprisoning people who smuggle this cinematic masterpiece into the country? Vive la resistance!!!

Dear OP, please change thread title to "BOMBSHELL: French film distributors decide not to give Think Like a Man a cinematic release"

JN
May 23rd, 2012, 12:57 PM
Actually the only insults were the OP quoting other people's responses and accusing them of being ignorant racists. We all have the ability to open threads, if someone choses to do so they need to accept that other people are not going to agree with them. It's not fair for you to come in and try and protect certain people from criticism while completely ignoring everything that person has said.

Please point out where any of this occurred. A quote(s) will suffice.

JN
May 24th, 2012, 04:22 PM
Please point out where any of this occurred. A quote(s) will suffice.....

http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/45.gif http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/65.gif

Halardfan
May 25th, 2012, 01:53 AM
According to latest reports, which quote a Sony Pictures representative, the film has never been put forward for release in France, although following on from it success in America it may well yet be.

There are legitimate issues to discuss surrounding film distribution, what films make it into cinemas what films go straight to DVD, and what factors are at play.

But the original blog post, if the reports from Sony Pictures are true, does not help the debate.

JN
May 25th, 2012, 02:21 AM
According to latest reports, which quote a Sony Pictures representative, the film has never been put forward for release in France, although following on from it success in America it may well yet be.

There are legitimate issues to discuss surrounding film distribution, what films make it into cinemas what films go straight to DVD, and what factors are at play.

But the original blog post, if the reports from Sony Pictures are true, does not help the debate.

I read that, too and the OP spawned nearly 80 replies... so if that's not helping to start a debate, I don't know what is. What isn't helpful is making statements like the one in #74 (http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=21475285&postcount=74), then disappearing when asked to back 'em up.

Halardfan
May 25th, 2012, 02:38 AM
I read that, too and the OP spawned nearly 80 replies... so if that's not helping to start a debate, I don't know what is. What isn't helpful is making statements like the one in #74 (http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=21475285&postcount=74), then disappearing when asked to back 'em up.

I think to make the accusations the blogger was making, which you'll agree are very strong, they should have had more foundation for such a story.

Race is a major issue in the world, and there are many legitimate stories to be told, and stands to be taken. But the blogger making what seems to date to be false accusations, undermines our faith in such sources the next time a story in this arena comes around.

That story may be much more valid than this one, but it will be a harder sell to people, because of this one.

JN
May 25th, 2012, 02:45 AM
I think to make the accusations the blogger was making, which you'll agree are very strong, they should have had more foundation for such a story.

Race is a major issue in the world, and there are many legitimate stories to be told, and stands to be taken. But the blogger making what seems to date to be false accusations, undermines our faith in such sources the next time a story in this arena comes around.

It hasn't been established that race doesn't factor into the decision-making of the distributors, only that the country of France isn't responsible. All Tyler Perry movies? All of his movies don't follow the same formula, nor do they all feature him as Madea. What is a constant, however, is that they all have majority Black casts, same as 'Think Like A Man.' This story isn't finished.

Halardfan
May 25th, 2012, 05:22 AM
Indeed such stories often take twists and turns and new evidence may to come light to back the claims made.

But as we stand, the evidence hasn't come though to back up serious accusations. Based on the evidence so far, if there is anyone to blame, we might blame companies like Sony Pictures for a lack of imagination in distributing their movies. That they make assumptions about what a French audience may or may not want to see.

But it's very different to suggesting that the movie was banned by the French for a lack of diversity.

To mention Tyler Perry, I hadn't heard of him before this thread, and I can't comment much about his movies.

But movie distribution is a complicated business and all manner of factors are at play in why Movie A does or does not get released in country B.

Also there are movies which are big successes which don't travel elsewhere. Certainly some successful British movies this has happened to.

Living in Japan as I now do, I'm always checking release dates of movies...but often there doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to it. Some blockbusters films are released at the same time here as the US. But some high profile films face a delay of several months, and some successful American movies only ever limp out on DVD here. Take Bridesmaids, a smash hit in America, and successful elsewhere. I was eager to see it. But it was only released in cinema's here about three weeks ago, and then on the most limited of releases.

Just I'm saying such decisions are often complicated, mystifying but most likely not sinister.

gentenaire
May 25th, 2012, 07:03 AM
I read that, too and the OP spawned nearly 80 replies... so if that's not helping to start a debate, I don't know what is. What isn't helpful is making statements like the one in #74 (http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=21475285&postcount=74), then disappearing when asked to back 'em up.

Sorry, that's just BS.

If I write a post stating, "The US bans all foreign language movies because it feels the entire world should speak English" and I get hundreds of responses of people asking for evidence to that claim, people saying it's rubbish, that foreign language movies do get a release in the US, that's not starting a debate. Getting a lot of responses isn't a sign that there's some underlying truth.

Your initial post was complete BS and you know it. I agree with Halardfan. Creating bogus stories isn't helping the debate, quite the contrary, it might lead people to dismiss real racism issues later on thinking it's just another bogus story.

I find it rather surprising that you even believed the original blog post. It's so unlikely that France would ban a movie at all (unless it's extremely violent) it's only normal that people want to see some evidence first. The more unlikely something is, the more evidence is required.

(and for the record, foreign language movies struggling to get releases in the US, is that a sign of racism too? )