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MakarovaFan
May 20th, 2012, 06:19 PM
Going back to last winter 6 of Na Li's last 23 losses were after holding a match point/So basically 6 losses in the span of about a year and 2 months! Is that some sort of record?? I recall Jelena Jankovic going on a tear with like 3 in a row in the span of a month(Bartoli,Kleybanova and Shedova in 2010 though in the midst she won Cincy saving MP against Dementieva lol)....

Also side question but which player has overall blown the most matches after holding atleast one MP?

barmaid
May 21st, 2012, 01:47 PM
Late last night or should I say early this morning 1 a.m. they showed the match (English commentary) Li was full marks for her 6-4 first set win, then she held a 4-0 lead in the second set which she blew..costly errors and Maria upped her game a bit. Score now 4-4 Li was serving with a 40-0 lead when the score was tied then, sent three balls long and committed 2 double faults:rolleyes:..."gifted" Maria with the game.:kiss: So Maria was able to close the next game and win the set, I always like to give credit where credit is due but in this case Li "blew it":sad: and thats not unusual for her as she has a reputation of doing that many times in the past including against many higher ranked players.:help: Her poor husband "cringes" in the stands as he sees the "wheels fall off". :tape:The last frame I didn't see but I assume by the score it was a even-steven battle with Maria winning in the tie-breaker. So Maria needs to "treat" Li Na to a big Chinese dinner!:bounce:

Barmaid:wavey:

longtin23
May 21st, 2012, 02:18 PM
You should also count how many matches she blown doubles break or break points for doubles break...

Mynarco
May 21st, 2012, 02:29 PM
Jankovic's one was in 2009.

Stonerpova
May 21st, 2012, 02:36 PM
Jankovic's one was in 2009.

She blew match points against Schiavone this year too.

Mynarco
May 21st, 2012, 02:38 PM
She blew match points against Schiavone this year too.

she also blew two against Martic in KL.

Li and Jaja are just neck-and-neck here.

RenaSlam.
May 22nd, 2012, 12:52 AM
Pathetic for a reigning slam champion.

Stonerpova
May 22nd, 2012, 12:54 AM
When I first read the thread title I thought it meant she's only reached match point 23 times :lol: :o

MrSerenaWilliams
May 22nd, 2012, 07:20 AM
Pathetic for a reigning slam champion.
Serena held match point in 2 of her 4 losses in 2010 and was up a set and a break in the 3rd of her 4 losses :hysteric:

n1_and_uh_noone
May 22nd, 2012, 04:45 PM
Quite a weird stat. I don't usually think of her as a choker, and she seems pretty calm on court. Even when she berates her husband, it is not out of nervousness, just irritation. It is just that if her game goes off, it well and truly goes off, no compromises whatsoever.

Craig.
May 22nd, 2012, 05:42 PM
Serena held match point in 2 of her 4 losses in 2010 and was up a set and a break in the 3rd of her 4 losses :hysteric:

Rome SF against Jankovic, RG QF against Stosur...what's the third one? :unsure:

Bismarck.
May 22nd, 2012, 05:46 PM
Rome SF against Jankovic, RG QF against Stosur...what's the third one? :unsure:

Madrid vs Petrova.

Craig.
May 22nd, 2012, 05:47 PM
Madrid vs Petrova.

Right. Thanks!

Tenis Srbija
May 22nd, 2012, 05:50 PM
she also blew two against Martic in KL.

Li and Jaja are just neck-and-neck here.

And against Halep yesterday :yeah: Well, she wants to be the best at something :lol:

Morrissey
May 22nd, 2012, 08:39 PM
Li Na continues to disappoint! I think tennis fans expect Li Na to be a consistent champion. Li Na's breakthrough victory at the French Open is huge for tennis in Asia. An Asian woman FINALLY won a grand slam and that's a huge accomplishment. However, I think Li is suffering from self inflicted pressure and also pressure from the Chinese people and government. I don't think people in North America understand the Chinese want excellence. Being second place, third place, is not good enough.

Li Na has the weapons and tools to be a grand slam consistent contender but she is after all FEMALE. Most of the women players are just too emotional to become champions.

I don't see the men on the ATP Tour get so emotional like the women on the court. I remember when Li blew the match points against Clijsters at the Australian Open but this loss to Sharapova takes the cake! Li actually hit the ball right back to Clijsters when all she had to do was hit the open court.

I don't think Li Na's French Open victory was a fluke but I do believe tennis fans are expecting too much from this woman. She's a talented player but although she tries to act tough in the media she is VERY mentally fragile. I get the sense that Li Na doesn't really believe she should be beating top players like Clijsters and Sharapova on a consistent basis.

There was absolutely no reason for Li to lose that Italian Open final to Maria she was playing well 6-4 4-0 she even had a match point and still blew it.

I like Li Na but she is simply a perfect example of the FEMALE tennis player. Mary Carillo said it during the 2009 French Open women's final too many of the female tennis players are TOO EMOTIONAL TO BE CONSISTENT CHAMPIONS. The women get tight they yell, scream, or cry they can't handle the pressure. The few women who can handle pressure and keep their emotions in check of course are the best. The Williams Sisters, Clijsters, and Sharapova are the ONLY women on the WTA that aren't emotional basketcases. Jelena Jankovic, Ana Ivanovic, Dinara Safina, are pefect examples of emotionally unbalanced female tennis players. Li Na and Samantha Stosur are also emotional women.

Samantha Stosur is just like Li Na she had ONE big moment but she is also just too mentally fragile to become a consistent champion.

HRHoliviasmith
May 22nd, 2012, 09:12 PM
Late last night or should I say early this morning 1 a.m. they showed the match (English commentary) Li was full marks for her 6-4 first set win, then she held a 4-0 lead in the second set which she blew..costly errors and Maria upped her game a bit. Score now 4-4 Li was serving with a 40-0 lead when the score was tied then, sent three balls long and committed 2 double faults:rolleyes:..."gifted" Maria with the game.:kiss: So Maria was able to close the next game and win the set, I always like to give credit where credit is due but in this case Li "blew it":sad: and thats not unusual for her as she has a reputation of doing that many times in the past including against many higher ranked players.:help: Her poor husband "cringes" in the stands as he sees the "wheels fall off". :tape:The last frame I didn't see but I assume by the score it was a even-steven battle with Maria winning in the tie-breaker. So Maria needs to "treat" Li Na to a big Chinese dinner!:bounce:
Barmaid:wavey:

Good luck with that, Vika is still waiting for her flowers for last year. :lol:

liuxuan
May 22nd, 2012, 09:13 PM
Capriati blew 8 match points against Venus in the 2001 Miami final..............................

LightWarrior
May 22nd, 2012, 09:29 PM
And conversely who is the best player overall to win having faced MPs and coming back from nowhere ? Serena comes to mind obviously, in Slams at least. Wonder who is the 2nd best the last 10 years.

tkutsaar
May 22nd, 2012, 09:35 PM
I think this thread is unfair to Li, and the statistic cited herein is simply just a factoid that has nothing to with caliber or character of her as a player or as a person. First of all to state the obvious when one holds a match point; yes if one wins the point the match is over but it is not ordained that one is destined to win the point. There is an opponent across the net after all who has a say on the matter. And it is possible that the circumstances of a lost match point can have nothing do with choking.

I would say Li’s loss to Lisicki at last year’s Wimbledon was just such an example. In the third set Lisicki was serving down 3-5 and 15-40 and so ergo Li had two match points. The next four serves by Sabine were all timed at least 122 MPH (over 200 KPH) and each serve was faster than the previous one. Two of those serves were aces whereas the other two Li did get her racquet on the ball but it was impossible to return them.

It was clear that those serves produced at such a crucial time in the match had a devastating physiological impact on Li that she could not recover thereafter to hold serve and win the match. As it was since Lisicki did not hold serve in the 11th game of the set, Li had two games where she was serving for the match but did not enjoy a game point i.e. MP in either game.

I maintain that very few players had they been in Li’s shoes could have overcome the mental stress and impact of those overwhelming serves to still win the match. I also think Li had the match well in hand and paradoxically had Lisicki just held serve in the 9th game routinely without allowing a MP to LI then Li would have won the match.

VishaalMaria
May 22nd, 2012, 10:51 PM
Venus has had a few.

I remember in 2007 she blew a match point to Chakky, and blew three match points to Virginnie.

Patrick345
May 22nd, 2012, 10:59 PM
Hasn´t JJ blown matchpoints in five losses already this year? Schiavone, Martic, CSN, Cirstea and Halep?

:help: I´m just desperately trying to find something JJ is still the best at.:hysteric:

pokey camp
May 23rd, 2012, 12:38 AM
Li Na continues to disappoint! I think tennis fans expect Li Na to be a consistent champion. Li Na's breakthrough victory at the French Open is huge for tennis in Asia. An Asian woman FINALLY won a grand slam and that's a huge accomplishment. However, I think Li is suffering from self inflicted pressure and also pressure from the Chinese people and government. I don't think people in North America understand the Chinese want excellence. Being second place, third place, is not good enough.

Li Na has the weapons and tools to be a grand slam consistent contender but she is after all FEMALE. Most of the women players are just too emotional to become champions.

I don't see the men on the ATP Tour get so emotional like the women on the court. I remember when Li blew the match points against Clijsters at the Australian Open but this loss to Sharapova takes the cake! Li actually hit the ball right back to Clijsters when all she had to do was hit the open court.

I don't think Li Na's French Open victory was a fluke but I do believe tennis fans are expecting too much from this woman. She's a talented player but although she tries to act tough in the media she is VERY mentally fragile. I get the sense that Li Na doesn't really believe she should be beating top players like Clijsters and Sharapova on a consistent basis.

There was absolutely no reason for Li to lose that Italian Open final to Maria she was playing well 6-4 4-0 she even had a match point and still blew it.

I like Li Na but she is simply a perfect example of the FEMALE tennis player. Mary Carillo said it during the 2009 French Open women's final too many of the female tennis players are TOO EMOTIONAL TO BE CONSISTENT CHAMPIONS. The women get tight they yell, scream, or cry they can't handle the pressure. The few women who can handle pressure and keep their emotions in check of course are the best. The Williams Sisters, Clijsters, and Sharapova are the ONLY women on the WTA that aren't emotional basketcases. Jelena Jankovic, Ana Ivanovic, Dinara Safina, are pefect examples of emotionally unbalanced female tennis players. Li Na and Samantha Stosur are also emotional women.

Samantha Stosur is just like Li Na she had ONE big moment but she is also just too mentally fragile to become a consistent champion.
So you're saying: Na is a choker because she's unable to overcome her vagina. :o

Why didn't you just write that then and spare us the word vomit? :weirdo:

Nicolás89
May 23rd, 2012, 12:42 AM
Lesser players tend to lose matches like that often, how is this surprising?

tennis-insomniac
May 23rd, 2012, 06:24 AM
Just watched the match against Cetkovska at New Heaven, she got one MP...that net cord almost gave her the match :hysteric:

Pasta-Na
May 23rd, 2012, 06:47 AM
Just watched the match against Cetkovska at New Heaven, she got one MP...that net cord almost gave her the match :hysteric:

She served an Ace on one of the match points against Yanina, but it was called out. And she didn't challenge it. :secret:

NashaMasha
May 23rd, 2012, 09:41 AM
What is the record for blown matchpoints?

I remember epic decisive match in Davis Cup SF 1995. Chesnokov (Russia) - Stitch (Germany) , in which Chesnokov saved 9 match points

AjdeNate!
May 24th, 2012, 06:41 PM
Good luck with that, Vika is still waiting for her flowers for last year. :lol:

ok. :shrug:

Charlatan
May 24th, 2012, 06:47 PM
ok. :shrug:

omg :sobbing:

AjdeNate!
May 24th, 2012, 06:49 PM
omg :sobbing:

ok. :shrug: