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plantman
May 19th, 2012, 02:57 AM
Man who had 30 kids with 11 women wants child-support break.

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The 33-year-old Knoxville, Tenn., resident has reportedly set a Knox County record for his ability to reproduce. He has 30 children with 11 women. And nine of those children were born in the last three years, after Hatchett -- who is something of a local celebrity -- vowed "I'm done!" in a 2009 TV interview, saying he wouldn't father more children.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-tennessee-man-has-30-kids-20120518,0,4036567.story


Local celebrity? Seriously!:lol:

He should be forced to either undergo castration, or have himself sterilized. I think taxpayers would be willing to pick up the tab!

Pops Maellard
May 19th, 2012, 03:01 AM
Well looking at him I can see why he's fathered so many children :oh:.

plantman
May 19th, 2012, 03:05 AM
Well looking at him I can see why he's fathered so many children :oh:.

He is good looking! I'll concede that much.

Stamp Paid
May 19th, 2012, 03:30 AM
Well looking at him I can see why he's fathered so many children :oh:.DEAD @ me thinking the same thing when I saw this story on youtube :hysteric:

skanky~skanketta
May 19th, 2012, 04:36 AM
Well looking at him I can see why he's fathered so many children :oh:.
Hahaha! That's exactly what I thought! He is pretty phoine.

Sean.
May 19th, 2012, 10:30 AM
He should be forced to either undergo castration, or have himself sterilized. I think taxpayers would be willing to pick up the tab!

Agreed! I feel sorry for the kids, because I doubt he'll do much toward raising them. If you can't afford to support a child, you shouldn't bring it into the world. This man's a disgrace! :o

Expat
May 19th, 2012, 10:48 AM
What's the problem here? He probably receives 30K in child tax credit for 30. No wonder the women keep lining up for multiple babies with him.

Super Dave
May 19th, 2012, 02:45 PM
US taxpayers are already paying for their welfare. He should've been neutered long ago.

tennisbum79
May 19th, 2012, 02:48 PM
He is a busy ... and irresponsible guy

tennisbum79
May 19th, 2012, 02:50 PM
US taxpayers are already paying for their welfare. He should've been neutered long ago.
Well they did that in the South of USA and that did not pass the moral or ethical test.

What is practical is not always the right thing to do.

miffedmax
May 19th, 2012, 02:53 PM
A few bucks for condoms up front saves you a lot later down the line.

Should have thought that one through, pal.

Super Dave
May 19th, 2012, 02:56 PM
Well they did that in the South of USA and that did not pass the moral or ethical test.

What is practical is not always the right thing to do.

I know...wishful thinking ;)

tennisbum79
May 19th, 2012, 02:59 PM
He is 33, first child is 14. He has been busy since the 19.



The youngest is a toddler; the oldest is 14. Asked in a TV interview whether he can "keep up with it all," Hatchett said (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RTZk1y8iaho) he knows all their names, ages and birthdates.

Also in a TV interview, Hatchett tried to explain -- in a PG-rated way -- how he managed to end up with so many kids: "I had four kids in the same year. Twice."


Those were very busy 2 years

Expat
May 19th, 2012, 04:24 PM
A few bucks for condoms up front saves you a lot later down the line.

Should have thought that one through, pal.

Once you are past 3 kids child welfare payments for all kids can't go beyond 50% of his income. from then on it works out cheaper not to buy condoms.

$uricate
May 19th, 2012, 07:39 PM
What's the problem here? He probably receives 30K in child tax credit for 30. No wonder the women keep lining up for multiple babies with him.

Wouldn't it only be the parent who the child lives with that receives the money though?

I doubt he has all 30 of them at home. Or any for that matter.

Mforensic
May 19th, 2012, 09:36 PM
Cut his fuckin nuts off! My tax dollars are not paying for someone who can't keep his fly up and his bastard babies!

HippityHop
May 19th, 2012, 11:04 PM
Cut his fuckin nuts off! My tax dollars are not paying for someone who can't keep his fly up and his bastard babies!

Wassa matta you? Ain't you got no compassion? You must be one o' dem 'publicans. :devil:

mykarma
May 20th, 2012, 01:39 AM
Cut his fuckin nuts off! My tax dollars are not paying for someone who can't keep his fly up and his bastard babies!
Why the need to call the babies bastards, they had nothing to do with their father being a low-life dog?

Sean.
May 20th, 2012, 01:40 AM
Why the need to call the babies bastards, they had nothing to do with their father being a low-life dog?

Because their parents were not married. ;)

ranfurly
May 20th, 2012, 02:22 AM
Whats with men planting their fucking seed in every flower that blooms in front of them,

Pay his dues, if he's prepared to get town bikes up the bloody duff and they spawn, then he should of thought of that,

Rip it out and wrap it on.

tennisbum79
May 20th, 2012, 02:23 AM
Because their parents were not married. ;)
I guess many ollywod stars children will be bastards too

But I am sure you wouldn't call them bastards

ranfurly
May 20th, 2012, 02:25 AM
Cut his fuckin nuts off! My tax dollars are not paying for someone who can't keep his fly up and his bastard babies!

Good idea, should be put in place, that and women opening their legs up like gates to carnival, sure, it costs nothing to get into and the ride is fun, but once it leaves town, you've got a mess to clean up, one that goes on for 18 years until the little bastard leaves home!

Send him to the military, that'll straighten the little buggers out!

Sean.
May 20th, 2012, 02:37 AM
I guess many ollywod stars children will be bastards too

But I am sure you wouldn't call them bastards

Technically yes, that's all bastard means. It's not really a slight anymore. :shrug:

plantman
May 20th, 2012, 02:58 AM
Hook him up with Sandra Fluke!

:haha:

Helen Lawson
May 20th, 2012, 03:10 AM
:haha:

For $2K a month in birth control, she could even keep this "Romeo" from reproducing any more.

mykarma
May 20th, 2012, 03:52 AM
Because their parents were not married. ;)
So you think calling an innocent child a bastard deserves a smiley:sad:. Life's a bitch so be careful.

plantman
May 20th, 2012, 04:17 AM
So you think calling an innocent child a bastard deserves a smiley:sad:. Life's a bitch so be careful.

But the killing of innocent children through abortion is ok by you!:scratch: That's being bastardly in my book!

tennisbum79
May 20th, 2012, 05:36 AM
But the killing of innocent children through abortion is ok by you!:scratch: That's being bastardly in my book!
What a stupid statement!

tennisbum79
May 20th, 2012, 05:41 AM
For $2K a month in birth control, she could even keep this "Romeo" from reproducing any more.
Somehow, I don't think when plantman gave you the smilies approval, he was expecting this follow-up.

plantman
May 20th, 2012, 06:08 AM
What a stupid statement!

Anything beyond your comprehension you deem stupid!

ranfurly
May 20th, 2012, 07:40 AM
Im guessing more projects will be built out in the suburbs for his spawn?

Sean.
May 20th, 2012, 12:17 PM
So you think calling an innocent child a bastard deserves a smiley:sad:. Life's a bitch so be careful.

You'll notice I wasn't the one who originally called them bastards, and that in my post I said that I felt sorry for them.

I was simply pointing out to you that, technically, the children are bastards, which I think is why Mforensic used the term in the first place. You're the one that inferred that I was judging them.

Stop and think before posting in future.

mykarma
May 20th, 2012, 12:43 PM
You'll notice I wasn't the one who originally called them bastards, and that in my post I said that I felt sorry for them.

I was simply pointing out to you that, technically, the children are bastards, which I think is why Mforensic used the term in the first place. You're the one that inferred that I was judging them.

Stop and think before posting in future.

I responded to you because you responded to me with a smilie and personally don't see someone calling innocent children bastards amusing. If you didn't mean that in your post I apologize to you but not to the person that made the statement.

mykarma
May 20th, 2012, 12:47 PM
But the killing of innocent children through abortion is ok by you!:scratch: That's being bastardly in my book!

Personally I'm against abortion but for choice and certainly the same and worse could be said for you supporting the death penalty. In addition I could care less about your book.

JN
May 20th, 2012, 03:12 PM
Im guessing more projects will be built out in the suburbs for his spawn?

Why would you assume that, bigot?

Personally I'm against abortion but for choice and certainly the same and worse could be same for you supporting the death penalty. In addition I could care less about your book.

Any book of plantman's doing would be perfect material for an Abnormal Psychology class.

Helen Lawson
May 20th, 2012, 07:53 PM
Personally I'm against abortion but for choice and certainly the same and worse could be said for you supporting the death penalty. In addition I could care less about your book.

You care enough to announce it to the board.

If you could "care less" about his book, that means you care about his book.

ranfurly
May 20th, 2012, 11:28 PM
Why would you assume that, bigot?

Well they are certainly not fucking building estates overlooking the pacific are they?

Get with it, it's life, the more people breed like this, in their social kinships, the more projects and welfare you need.

My fat mutt of a half Sister has 4 generations living in her state house in New Plymouth, for some reason, the females can't stop getting pregnant with each generation. I'm glad I've never met the slag, she'll always be living of the state.

What they need is the ol' copper wire up their snatch and sew them up, along with the rubber band around the mongrels balls.

JN
May 21st, 2012, 12:20 AM
Well they are certainly not fucking building estates overlooking the pacific are they?

Get with it, it's life, the more people breed like this, in their social kinships, the more projects and welfare you need.

My fat mutt of a half Sister has 4 generations living in her state house in New Plymouth, for some reason, the females can't stop getting pregnant with each generation. I'm glad I've never met the slag, she'll always be living of the state.

What they need is the ol' copper wire up their snatch and sew them up, along with the rubber band around the mongrels balls.

Keep talking. We don't get to hear enough from you modern-day Archie Bunkers around here. :help:

ranfurly
May 21st, 2012, 12:37 AM
Keep talking. We don't get to hear enough from you modern-day Archie Bunkers around here. :help:

No problem mate, I'll do just that.

Sincerely,
Archie Bunker.

JN
May 21st, 2012, 12:55 AM
No problem mate, I'll do just that.

Sincerely,
Archie Bunker.

Thanks! This is even better than Jurassic Park, I mean with you being a relic from prehistoric times, and all.

ranfurly
May 21st, 2012, 01:19 AM
Thanks! This is even better than Jurassic Park, I mean with you being a relic from prehistoric times, and all.

Did someone swipe your food stamps mate?

ranfurly
May 21st, 2012, 01:39 AM
Yes, back when people had quality educations and knew how to think for themselves and didn't blame others for their failures.

It's all good mate, Mother Welfare is here to support us now, Grab one of her titties and suck on it for as long as you need, she doesn't run out.

who knew welfare could be a mean to your ends,

JN
May 21st, 2012, 02:10 AM
Did someone swipe your food stamps mate?

Ha ha! Great! You made that one up, didn't you? Keep 'em coming.

ranfurly
May 21st, 2012, 02:47 AM
Ha ha! Great! You made that one up, didn't you? Keep 'em coming.

Keep what coming? Food stamps?...

Don't bite the hand that feeds you buddy,

christ...give a man an inch, and he takes a fucking mile!

JN
May 21st, 2012, 03:56 PM
Keep what coming? Food stamps?...

Don't bite the hand that feeds you buddy,

christ...give a man an inch, and he takes a fucking mile!

No, seriously, are you coming up with these gems on your own or have you hired a group of 2-year oldswriters? The originality... the thought and dedication you're putting into this is to be commended. Bravo, I say. Bravo! http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/41.gif

antonella
May 21st, 2012, 04:24 PM
Isn't this a nice contribution to the gene pool.

plantman
May 21st, 2012, 04:43 PM
Isn't this a nice contribution to the gene pool.

and the democrats voting pool too!

$uricate
May 21st, 2012, 04:50 PM
Yes, back when people had quality educations and knew how to think for themselves and didn't blame others for their failures.

This.

My job involves constantly dealing with people who have absolved themselves of any responsibility for their own lives.

ranfurly
May 21st, 2012, 11:14 PM
No, seriously, are you coming up with these gems on your own or have you hired a group of 2-year oldswriters? The originality... the thought and dedication you're putting into this is to be commended. Bravo, I say. Bravo! http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/41.gif

Cheers Mate, you can't buy that type of humour with Food Stamps.

ranfurly
May 21st, 2012, 11:19 PM
and the democrats voting pool too!

I appreciate the fact that countries can sustain a welfare system, lords know at a time if something happens to my circumstances I can rely on the fact that the government can support me until I get back on my feet.

It's a shame that there are alot of people whoever who use it as a means to live, and essentially rip the nation off.

Should never be structured as a means to live, but as a means to support yourself when circumstances change.

plantman
May 22nd, 2012, 03:17 AM
I appreciate the fact that countries can sustain a welfare system, lords know at a time if something happens to my circumstances I can rely on the fact that the government can support me until I get back on my feet.

It's a shame that there are alot of people whoever who use it as a means to live, and essentially rip the nation off. Should never be structured as a means to live, but as a means to support yourself when circumstances change.

THIS

pov
May 22nd, 2012, 03:45 AM
Yeah - those 11 women have no part of the responsibility. :facepalm: My man's prolific though. :lol:

pov
May 22nd, 2012, 03:47 AM
Isn't this a nice contribution to the gene pool.
No better or worse than your offspring.

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 04:26 AM
No better or worse than your offspring.

Ouch!! :tape:

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 04:31 AM
Cheers Mate, you can't buy that type of humour with Food Stamps.

How would you know... have you tried? :confused: And I'll need more than just your first-hand experience as proof... would only be fair. ;)

ranfurly
May 22nd, 2012, 05:03 AM
How would you know... have you tried? :confused: And I'll need more than just your first-hand experience as proof... would only be fair. ;)

You don't need proof, just common sense.

Food stamps can't purchase that either, just for your benefit.

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 05:24 AM
You don't need proof, just common sense.

Food stamps can't purchase that either, just for your benefit.

You seem to know a lot about food stamps. http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/58.gif Please tell us more of your experiences.

plantman
May 22nd, 2012, 05:48 AM
A quote from a HUFFPOST user......


"You know it's pretty bad when he makes OctoMom look virginal.....":tape:

ranfurly
May 22nd, 2012, 07:49 AM
You seem to know a lot about food stamps. http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/58.gif Please tell us more of your experiences.

Food stamps cant buy an experience either mate.

Super Dave
May 22nd, 2012, 01:10 PM
Jim Bob Duggar for the loss.

Pureracket
May 22nd, 2012, 01:35 PM
and the democrats voting pool too!I wouldn't be so sure. If the demographic statistic for people who benefit mostly from welfare can be applied here, then this fertile man is a republican:
The red states' addiction to welfare http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2012/02/17/the-red-states-addicition-to-welfare


Blue States Pay Taxes, Red States Receive Benefits: http://www.pubtheo.com/page.asp?PID=1731


Republicans Eat their Own: More Red States Uninsured & Recipients of Welfare: http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/republicans-eat-their-own-more-red-states-uninsured-recipients-of-welfare/question-2562673/

He's in TN, and TN is a red state(though the latest polls have it as a toss-up for the Presidential Election).

Pureracket
May 22nd, 2012, 01:36 PM
No better or worse than your offspring.Sh*t!

Wigglytuff
May 22nd, 2012, 01:38 PM
US taxpayers are already paying for their welfare. He should've been neutered long ago.

Well this is what happens when teabagger republican party says no access to birth control for women, abstinence only education in schools, and no access to free reproductive healthcare for women and men. I love people saying snip him and at the time saying cut planned parenthood and reproductive health care.

He's not the first to have more children than he can afford and he will be joined by many more thanks to the republicans.

Wigglytuff
May 22nd, 2012, 01:41 PM
and the democrats voting pool too!

Are you still on welfare?

plantman
May 22nd, 2012, 02:35 PM
Are you still on welfare?

The Alaskan PFD is still in existence.

Do you still experience PMS, or has your cycle dried up?

Pureracket
May 22nd, 2012, 02:42 PM
Do you still experience PMS, or has your cycle dried up? I'm thinking you're starting to even embarrass your allies on this board.

plantman
May 22nd, 2012, 02:50 PM
Well this is what happens when teabagger republican party says no access to birth control for women, abstinence only education in schools, and no access to free reproductive healthcare for women and men. I love people saying snip him and at the time saying cut planned parenthood and reproductive health care.

He's not the first to have more children than he can afford and he will be joined by many more thanks to the republicans.

:lol::lol:

Whatever happened to taking personal responsibility for ones actions?

plantman
May 22nd, 2012, 02:54 PM
I'm thinking you're starting to even embarrass your allies on this board.

Kindly stay out of it Boo...

This is an ol' argument between Wigglytuff & I. One that she and I received warnings over in the past. As you have overlooked, she brought up the welfare (PFD) claim.

mykarma
May 22nd, 2012, 02:55 PM
The Alaskan PFD is still in existence.

Do you still experience PMS, or has your cycle dried up?
WTF!!!! You're sick.

Pureracket
May 22nd, 2012, 02:55 PM
Kindly stay out of it Boo...

This is an ol' argument between Wigglytuff & I. One that she and I received warnings over in the past. As you have overlooked, she brought up the welfare (PFD) claim.yea, you're right. I should let you & wiggly have this. My bad.

LOL! Y'all go for the juggular. DAYUM!

Super Dave
May 22nd, 2012, 03:01 PM
Well this is what happens when teabagger republican party says no access to birth control for women, abstinence only education in schools, and no access to free reproductive healthcare for women and men. I love people saying snip him and at the time saying cut planned parenthood and reproductive health care.

He's not the first to have more children than he can afford and he will be joined by many more thanks to the republicans.

With all due respect, the ludicrosity of having 30 kids is not something that can be blamed on a political party. There has to be a modicum of personal responsibility and this person has none.

JN
May 22nd, 2012, 03:06 PM
WTF!!!! You're sick.

You're only flattering him.

Dawn Marie
May 22nd, 2012, 11:10 PM
The man and the woman are irresponsible. If u cant afford a child don't have one. If it's1 or 5 or 30! The women are just as irresponsible.

Expat
May 23rd, 2012, 01:22 AM
He nor the mothers are irresponsible. If the govt pays you to have kids out of wedlock the only thing you will have is more kids born out of wedlock. Its the people who have kids within marriage or with a single person who are stupid.

Dawn Marie
May 23rd, 2012, 08:05 PM
The racist bigots who don't like black folks are responsible...YEAH...PAY UP BITCHES. :)

ranfurly
May 23rd, 2012, 08:20 PM
The racist bigots who don't like black folks are responsible...YEAH...PAY UP BITCHES. :)

There are items out there called condoms and femmedoms and other shit you stuff up your snatch so you don't get up the duff.

There's also gladwrap you can wrap on your wang aswell, all at very low prices and easily attainable!

The object is to stop breeding, you can't afford to look after a sprog, the best thing is to cross those fricken legs and not have your twat sticking out for all and sundry to loot and plunder.

That way these "Racist bigots" don't have to work hard and pay taxes so you get a free ride into life on the back of the welfare system.

Easiest ride they get mate,

HippityHop
May 24th, 2012, 01:40 PM
There are items out there called condoms and femmedoms and other shit you stuff up your snatch so you don't get up the duff.

There's also gladwrap you can wrap on your wang aswell, all at very low prices and easily attainable!

The object is to stop breeding, you can't afford to look after a sprog, the best thing is to cross those fricken legs and not have your twat sticking out for all and sundry to loot and plunder.

That way these "Racist bigots" don't have to work hard and pay taxes so you get a free ride into life on the back of the welfare system.

Easiest ride they get mate,

:hysteric:

plantman
May 24th, 2012, 02:28 PM
There are items out there called condoms and femmedoms and other shit you stuff up your snatch so you don't get up the duff.

There's also gladwrap you can wrap on your wang aswell, all at very low prices and easily attainable!

The object is to stop breeding, you can't afford to look after a sprog, the best thing is to cross those fricken legs and not have your twat sticking out for all and sundry to loot and plunder.

That way these "Racist bigots" don't have to work hard and pay taxes so you get a free ride into life on the back of the welfare system.

Easiest ride they get mate,

:hysteric:

:yeah:

Rocketta
May 24th, 2012, 08:06 PM
Where the heck are my paragraphs! :fiery:

Wigglytuff
May 25th, 2012, 01:43 AM
For $2K a month in birth control, she could even keep this "Romeo" from reproducing any more.

Idiot. The pill birth control costs the same no matter how much sex you have. Even if you never have sex all month you still have to take it everyday. Or it won't work.

I swear. That's high school sex ed, not rocket science.

Wigglytuff
May 25th, 2012, 01:46 AM
The Alaskan PFD is still in existence.

Do you still experience PMS, or has your cycle dried up?

So you still get welfare while at the same time attacking welfare. Hypocrite. I wish I were surprised.

Wigglytuff
May 25th, 2012, 01:55 AM
With all due respect, the ludicrosity of having 30 kids is not something that can be blamed on a political party. There has to be a modicum of personal responsibility and this person has none.

Ugh. I'm not blaming anyone but him and the fools who sleep with him, but at the same time it is not true that the actions of people who ban sex ed and then also try to ban abortions have no consequences either. Because just as he has to be responsible so do those who try to ban sex ed, defund planned parenthood and ban abortions. I mean if people have no access to reproductive health care they can't make good choices. Of course this man is responsible for his children and the women he sleeps with.

But again, if they are in one of several states and they want to have an abortion they can't find a safe and legal abortions so in those cases yes I would blame the tea baggers.

Wigglytuff
May 25th, 2012, 01:59 AM
yea, you're right. I should let you & wiggly have this. My bad.

LOL! Y'all go for the juggular. DAYUM!

He's like that. Maybe his welfare check is late. :devil:

Wigglytuff
May 25th, 2012, 02:04 AM
WTF!!!! You're sick.

Dude that's just showing how insanely uneducated he is. He would make rush proud.

plantman
May 25th, 2012, 04:53 AM
Ugh. I'm not blaming anyone but him and the fools who sleep with him, but at the same time it is not true that the actions of people who ban sex ed and then also try to ban abortions have no consequences either. Because just as he has to be responsible so do those who try to ban sex ed, defund planned parenthood and ban abortions. I mean if people have no access to reproductive health care they can't make good choices. Of course this man is responsible for his children and the women he sleeps with.

But again, if they are in one of several states and they want to have an abortion they can't find a safe and legal abortions so in those cases yes I would blame the tea baggers.

You're right in that it's nobody else's fault but the loser, and the losers he impregnated. This is not a case that one can argue about the ban of sex ed, or the defunding of planned parenthood being responsible. These are adult who know how a child is conceived.

As for your rant on legal abortions in several states....:confused: Did you mean FREE?

Wigglytuff
May 25th, 2012, 02:29 PM
You're right in that it's nobody else's fault but the loser, and the losers he impregnated. This is not a case that one can argue about the ban of sex ed, or the defunding of planned parenthood being responsible. These are adult who know how a child is conceived.

As for your rant on legal abortions in several states....:confused: Did you mean FREE?

No. I mean abortions at all. I think two states have no legal abortion clinics thanks to the teabaggers and 6 more have only one and many have insane requirements like you have to travel 3 or more times to visit doctors that are only their once a week, listen to propaganda, be subjected to vaginal rape, I mean probes and other barriers that make obtaining a safe legal abortion nearly if nor entirely impossible.

Wigglytuff
May 25th, 2012, 02:32 PM
Map of abortion restrictions.

What this map doesn't show is places where there is only one or no abortion clinics.

http://interactives.americanprogress.org/projects/bc-map/flash/

plantman
May 25th, 2012, 03:11 PM
No. I mean abortions at all. I think two states have no legal abortion clinics thanks to the teabaggers and 6 more have only one and many have insane requirements like you have to travel 3 or more times to visit doctors that are only their once a week, listen to propaganda, be subjected to vaginal rape, I mean probes and other barriers that make obtaining a safe legal abortion nearly if nor entirely impossible.

Expect more states to follow.

"Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41%

Americans now tilt "pro-life" by nine-point margin, 50% to 41%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/154838/Pro-Choice-Americans-Record-Low.aspx

Wigglytuff
May 25th, 2012, 03:23 PM
Expect more states to follow.

"Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41%

Americans now tilt "pro-life" by nine-point margin, 50% to 41%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/154838/Pro-Choice-Americans-Record-Low.aspx

Read the whole thing, most Americans support access to safe and legal abortions.

77% of Americans believe abortions should be legal in some cases. In the Gallup poll YOU posted.

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/wqicvjb40esdgf8y9ci0qa.gif


But back to you, you can NOT bitch about someone having 30, 40, 50 kids and at the same time say that you believe no one should have access to safe and legal reproductive care. You should be lining up to give him your welfare check. But instead you sit there on the public dole without seeing what a fool you are.

plantman
May 25th, 2012, 03:35 PM
Read the whole thing, most Americans support access to safe and legal abortions.

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/wqicvjb40esdgf8y9ci0qa.gif


But back to you, you can NOT bitch about someone having 30, 40, 50 kids and at the same time say that you believe no one should have access to safe and legal reproductive care. You should be lining up to give him your welfare check. But instead you sit there on the public dole without seeing what a fool you are.


Again...This loser and the losers he has seeded are the ones that created the situations they find themselves in. Having safe and legal reproductive care wouldn't change that. Why would I give him my take of our oil profits?

You should be offering up your twat to this loser. You could then reap the benefits of the system instead of running your small business. Speakin' of the business...Must be a slow day, or have you closed up shop due to lack of buyers?

Wigglytuff
May 25th, 2012, 03:57 PM
You should be offering up your twat to this loser.

no wonder welfare is the best you can do in life, and no college would take you. I might feel sorry for you but well you suck.

Now if you will excuse me, I have a business to run. And a new dslr to play with, (yes, business IS going well, so far every month has seen year over year growth) :wavey:

JN
May 25th, 2012, 04:01 PM
no wonder welfare is the best you can do in life, and no college would take you. I might feel sorry for you but well you suck.

Now if you will excuse me, I have a business to run. And a new dslr to play with, (yes, business IS going well, so far every month has seen year over year growth) :wavey:

Glad to hear your business is thriving. Horticulturists in Alaska should be so lucky; it's no wonder Plant's on the dole. :help:

plantman
May 25th, 2012, 04:10 PM
no wonder welfare is the best you can do in life, and no college would take you. I might feel sorry for you but well you suck.

Now if you will excuse me, I have a business to run. And a new dslr to play with, (yes, business IS going well, so far every month has seen year over year growth) :wavey:

Run along now!

I'll think of you while I'm livin' the dream!;)

plantman
May 25th, 2012, 04:14 PM
Glad to hear your business is thriving. Horticulturists in Alaska should be so lucky; it's no wonder Plant's on the dole. :help:

Not much demand for poorly crafted knitting products here in Alaska. Landscaping on the other hand... HUGE demand!

Wigglytuff
May 25th, 2012, 04:33 PM
Glad to hear your business is thriving. Horticulturists in Alaska should be so lucky; it's no wonder Plant's on the dole. :help:

Thank you! It's crazy, I have customers in Australia, Singapore, Canada, England and Spain just to name a few. I even shipped orders to Beverly hills 90210. This is the slow season, but things get crazy in June-aug (weddings and Australia) and again in nov-feb (winter here).

Yeah, you would think someone like him on welfare would be more sensible but like most "small gov." teabaggers he too misses the irony of being on the dole while talking about the evils of government.

JN
May 25th, 2012, 04:37 PM
Not much demand for poorly crafted knitting products here in Alaska. Landscaping on the other hand... HUGE demand!

Yeah, I bet it is for the 2 or 3 months everything isn't covered with snow and the sun stays up long enough for you to see it. :tape:

mykarma
May 25th, 2012, 04:57 PM
Read the whole thing, most Americans support access to safe and legal abortions.

77% of Americans believe abortions should be legal in some cases. In the Gallup poll YOU posted.

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/wqicvjb40esdgf8y9ci0qa.gif


But back to you, you can NOT bitch about someone having 30, 40, 50 kids and at the same time say that you believe no one should have access to safe and legal reproductive care. You should be lining up to give him your welfare check. But instead you sit there on the public dole without seeing what a fool you are.
Dream on, Plantman very seldom if ever reads what he post or he does read it he doesn't comprehend what he's reading.

Rocketta
May 25th, 2012, 05:22 PM
I posted a long post yesterday but the stupid system kept deleting the paragraphs...

This is it in short....

This guy clearly has all his self-esteem tied up in how many children he can produce. It's sad because if he had other things he could do that fed his ego he probably wouldn't have a lot of children. Also, their are women who believe having children is the only thing they are good at and the only thing they contribute to this world.

It's sad but on the other hand the main people complaining are the main people who want to keep policies in place that make sure people like this exists in large numbers. If you keep education in poorer areas inadequate and make unskilled labor's wages so low someone is unable to maintain a reasonable life. Then what do you expect?

Everyone talks about personal responsibility. Yes this guy has the responsibility to not have so many children not just because he can't support them financially but more so because he can't possibly support all of them emotionally. What about the personal responsibility of those who create policies aimed at keeping wages low, aimed at keeping education inadequate? What about CEO's who take million dollar bonuses while keeping wages low on certain workers and keeping their workforce numbers small or shipping the jobs overseas. I don't understand how angry people get because someone woman gets a $400 check and $500 food stamps per month to support and raise her family but then look at the CEOs and business men with admiration. These same people will say things like well that's capitalism to make the most money so it's ok, to move jobs or pay wages so low no one can live off of them. Where is their personal responsibility to society? Why don't people hold these people to the same moral high ground? :confused: :help:

Also, since when has the right to reproduce depended on whether you can support the child. People who work in unskilled labor jobs will never be able to support a child or children on their salary without some help. That's not their fault. It's the fault of the rich shits who make sure wages stay so low that people who do work still can't support themselves let alone a child. Also, does this support rule extend to the people who live in houses or apartments that their parents put the significant down payment/deposit on? Does it include the people who drive cars, especially their first, bought by their parents or drive their parents old car. How about the ones that let their parents help with the mortgage or pay for their car insurance. Can these people have children, they're not fully supporting themselves or their children?

I'm tired of people taking extreme cases like this and painting an entire population of hard working people with a broad brush. No where in the article does it say the children are on welfare or not but everyone assumed they were. We know nothing about the mothers other than they have bad taste in men. :shrug:

Wigglytuff
May 25th, 2012, 06:01 PM
I posted a long post yesterday but the stupid system kept deleting the paragraphs...

This is it in short....

This guy clearly has all his self-esteem tied up in how many children he can produce. It's sad because if he had other things he could do that fed his ego he probably wouldn't have a lot of children. Also, their are women who believe having children is the only thing they are good at and the only thing they contribute to this world.

It's sad but on the other hand the main people complaining are the main people who want to keep policies in place that make sure people like this exists in large numbers. If you keep education in poorer areas inadequate and make unskilled labor's wages so low someone is unable to maintain a reasonable life. Then what do you expect?

Everyone talks about personal responsibility. Yes this guy has the responsibility to not have so many children not just because he can't support them financially but more so because he can't possibly support all of them emotionally. What about the personal responsibility of those who create policies aimed at keeping wages low, aimed at keeping education inadequate? What about CEO's who take million dollar bonuses while keeping wages low on certain workers and keeping their workforce numbers small or shipping the jobs overseas. I don't understand how angry people get because someone woman gets a $400 check and $500 food stamps per month to support and raise her family but then look at the CEOs and business men with admiration. These same people will say things like well that's capitalism to make the most money so it's ok, to move jobs or pay wages so low no one can live off of them. Where is their personal responsibility to society? Why don't people hold these people to the same moral high ground? :confused: :help:

Also, since when has the right to reproduce depended on whether you can support the child. People who work in unskilled labor jobs will never be able to support a child or children on their salary without some help. That's not their fault. It's the fault of the rich shits who make sure wages stay so low that people who do work still can't support themselves let alone a child. Also, does this support rule extend to the people who live in houses or apartments that their parents put the significant down payment/deposit on? Does it include the people who drive cars, especially their first, bought by their parents or drive their parents old car. How about the ones that let their parents help with the mortgage or pay for their car insurance. Can these people have children, they're not fully supporting themselves or their children?

I'm tired of people taking extreme cases like this and painting an entire population of hard working people with a broad brush. No where in the article does it say the children are on welfare or not but everyone assumed they were. We know nothing about the mothers other than they have bad taste in men. :shrug:

well said!!

JN
May 27th, 2012, 05:00 AM
Hook him up with Sandra Fluke!:haha:

Children. :rolleyes:

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z225/dongoliano/sfluke.jpg (http://sandrafluke.tumblr.com/)

Wigglytuff
May 27th, 2012, 01:41 PM
I am a lesbian and I take the pill to regulate my bloody period. :ras:

JN
May 27th, 2012, 03:18 PM
I am a lesbian and I take the pill to regulate my bloody period. :ras:

http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/104.gif
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z225/dongoliano/tmi.gif

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z225/dongoliano/jk.gif

plantman
May 27th, 2012, 03:35 PM
Children. :rolleyes:

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z225/dongoliano/sfluke.jpg (http://sandrafluke.tumblr.com/)

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2927/recycling.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/recycling.png/)

JN
May 27th, 2012, 03:42 PM
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2927/recycling.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/recycling.png/)

We're already convinced of your ignorance, Plantster, no need to go overboard. :help:

plantman
May 27th, 2012, 03:51 PM
:help:

We're aware that you need it, therefore no need for the shout out!

JN
May 27th, 2012, 04:18 PM
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8284/smh2.gif http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z225/dongoliano/lame.gif

mykarma
May 27th, 2012, 05:01 PM
I posted a long post yesterday but the stupid system kept deleting the paragraphs...

This is it in short....

This guy clearly has all his self-esteem tied up in how many children he can produce. It's sad because if he had other things he could do that fed his ego he probably wouldn't have a lot of children. Also, their are women who believe having children is the only thing they are good at and the only thing they contribute to this world.

It's sad but on the other hand the main people complaining are the main people who want to keep policies in place that make sure people like this exists in large numbers. If you keep education in poorer areas inadequate and make unskilled labor's wages so low someone is unable to maintain a reasonable life. Then what do you expect?

Everyone talks about personal responsibility. Yes this guy has the responsibility to not have so many children not just because he can't support them financially but more so because he can't possibly support all of them emotionally. What about the personal responsibility of those who create policies aimed at keeping wages low, aimed at keeping education inadequate? What about CEO's who take million dollar bonuses while keeping wages low on certain workers and keeping their workforce numbers small or shipping the jobs overseas. I don't understand how angry people get because someone woman gets a $400 check and $500 food stamps per month to support and raise her family but then look at the CEOs and business men with admiration. These same people will say things like well that's capitalism to make the most money so it's ok, to move jobs or pay wages so low no one can live off of them. Where is their personal responsibility to society? Why don't people hold these people to the same moral high ground? :confused: :help:

Also, since when has the right to reproduce depended on whether you can support the child. People who work in unskilled labor jobs will never be able to support a child or children on their salary without some help. That's not their fault. It's the fault of the rich shits who make sure wages stay so low that people who do work still can't support themselves let alone a child. Also, does this support rule extend to the people who live in houses or apartments that their parents put the significant down payment/deposit on? Does it include the people who drive cars, especially their first, bought by their parents or drive their parents old car. How about the ones that let their parents help with the mortgage or pay for their car insurance. Can these people have children, they're not fully supporting themselves or their children?

I'm tired of people taking extreme cases like this and painting an entire population of hard working people with a broad brush. No where in the article does it say the children are on welfare or not but everyone assumed they were. We know nothing about the mothers other than they have bad taste in men. :shrug:
Great post but of course it will be ignored by the people here that prefer calling these women whores or whatever other low-life phrase that comes to their heartless minds. These women are doing the only thing they can and that's take him to court for child support. The government has two choices which will cost them even more and that's to put him in jail for the rest of his life and let the child starve or assist the mom. It's not the child's fault that it's father is a shiftless asshole which is going to affect them for the rest of their lives.

Because they had a child by this man in no way means that they're not gainfully employed and is providing for their children. Making bad choices in men has nothing to do with poverty but more with the self esteem of the women which crosses all sociological backgrounds.

tenn_ace
May 27th, 2012, 06:11 PM
he knew what he was doing as he seems to be bragging about it, so in my opinion, he should be jailed for not being able to provide for his children.

and women who he had these children with, are you totalmorons?

mykarma
May 27th, 2012, 09:37 PM
he knew what he was doing as he seems to be bragging about it, so in my opinion, he should be jailed for not being able to provide for his children.

and women who he had these children with, are you totalmorons?
I know how you feel because he's a pitiful disgusting human being but how long should he stay in jail because he'll never make enough money to fully take care of all of them? You can't jail someone for being poor or being stupid and there wouldn't be any room in jail for violent criminals and the majority of them eventually get out. As sad as it is not much can be done especially if he's paying all he can based on his income. No court can demand all of a persons earnings leaving nothing for them to survive.

Wigglytuff
May 27th, 2012, 10:06 PM
http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/104.gif
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z225/dongoliano/tmi.gif

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z225/dongoliano/jk.gif


You think that's tmi I guess should not post the pictures. J/k..,,or am I :p:tape:
It's a shame rush's mom wasn't on the pill? :wavey: :tape:

tenn_ace
May 27th, 2012, 10:08 PM
I know how you feel because he's a pitiful disgusting human being but how long should he stay in jail because he'll never make enough money to fully take care of all of them? You can't jail someone for being poor or being stupid or there wouldn't be any room in jail for violent criminals and the majority of them eventually get out. As sad as it is not much can be done especially if he's paying all he can based on his income. No court can demand all of a persons earnings leaving nothing for them to survive.
he's a pitiful disgusting human being not because he'll never make enough money to fully take care of all of them, but because it was his intent to make all these babies and not to support them. it is really very simple.

I would truly TRULY felt sorry for him if he had 3 kids (even if it was with more than woman) and could not support them because he was making only a minimum wage.

Wigglytuff
May 27th, 2012, 10:08 PM
he knew what he was doing as he seems to be bragging about it, so in my opinion, he should be jailed for not being able to provide for his children.

and women who he had these children with, are you totalmorons?

You realize that if you get your way and they jail him for not providing for kids that would mean he would not be able to..., oh never mind. Never mind.

Wigglytuff
May 27th, 2012, 10:11 PM
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2927/recycling.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/recycling.png/)
You sir are an idiot.

tenn_ace
May 27th, 2012, 10:23 PM
You realize that if you get your way and they jail him for not providing for kids that would mean he would not be able to..., oh never mind. Never mind.

He is not doing it anyway. In fact, all he seems to be doing is enjoying his 15 minutes of "fame".

JN
May 27th, 2012, 10:26 PM
You think that's tmi I guess should not post the pictures. J/k..,,or am I :p:tape:
It's a shame rush's mom wasn't on the pill? :wavey: :tape:

She probably was... which would explain a lot! :tape:

tenn_ace
May 27th, 2012, 10:27 PM
And one more thing... I will be very happy if I'm wrong, but I wouldn't expect big things from any of his kids either. Sorry for being blunt.

JN
May 27th, 2012, 10:48 PM
And one more thing... I will be very happy if I'm wrong, but I wouldn't expect big things from any of his kids either. Sorry for being blunt.

Totally unnecessary and serves no purpose. The children are innocent, here.

Super Dave
May 28th, 2012, 12:46 AM
When he dies, all he'll leave them is alone. Because papa is a rolling stone.

ranfurly
May 28th, 2012, 01:03 AM
And one more thing... I will be very happy if I'm wrong, but I wouldn't expect big things from any of his kids either. Sorry for being blunt.

No need to be sorry, I see very few instances of children breaking the routine that come from previous generations, they learn from their climate, and chances are repeat it, innocent or not, its life and what happens.

My fathers ex was a local slag, her daughter (half sister) was a slag, her son, at 19 had 2 kids, and daughter at 21 is on her 3rd child, and with how that family operates, I don't see those kids making correct decisions in life either.

mykarma
May 28th, 2012, 03:26 AM
he's a pitiful disgusting human being not because he'll never make enough money to fully take care of all of them, but because it was his intent to make all these babies and not to support them. it is really very simple.

I would truly TRULY felt sorry for him if he had 3 kids (even if it was with more than woman) and could not support them because he was making only a minimum wage.

Who the hell feels sorry for him, certainly not I and I don't think anyone gave a reason for why he was a pitiful disgusting human being. I could give a damn about him it's the kids I'm concerned about. I don't think my post even implied any of your response but I will go back a read it.

mykarma
May 28th, 2012, 03:30 AM
She probably was... which would explain a lot! :tape:
:spit:

mykarma
May 28th, 2012, 03:42 AM
No need to be sorry, I see very few instances of children breaking the routine that come from previous generations, they learn from their climate, and chances are repeat it, innocent or not, its life and what happens.

My fathers ex was a local slag, her daughter (half sister) was a slag, her son, at 19 had 2 kids, and daughter at 21 is on her 3rd child, and with how that family operates, I don't see those kids making correct decisions in life either.
Which shows that even good people make bad decisions when it comes to picking a partner. Just think, she could have been your mom or had your brothers and sisters that would be turning out just like her kids. That wouldn't mean your father should be judged by her actions nor should these women that none of us know. He doesn't appear to be the most truthful person around so we have no idea what these women did and didn't know. What we do know is that these women were careless for having unprotected sex. A man like him certainly weren't picking women with high self esteem.

Nicolás89
May 28th, 2012, 03:44 AM
And one more thing... I will be very happy if I'm wrong, but I wouldn't expect big things from any of his kids either. Sorry for being blunt.

There are 30 of them. Chances are at least 1 will do big things, maybe 3 or 4 will will have some talent in arts or sports, 5 will be gay & 1 or 2 will die young.

tenn_ace
May 28th, 2012, 06:06 AM
Totally unnecessary and serves no purpose. The children are innocent, here.

Nobody is blaimng them for anything (surely not me), but just merely stating an expectation when children are born in such circumstances.

JN
May 28th, 2012, 01:23 PM
Nobody is blaimng them for anything (surely not me), but just merely stating an expectation when children are born in such circumstances.

Again, it was a totally unnecessary statement to make and served no real purpose. Many successful individuals have endured worse in their childhoods. So, who are you to pontificate on the futures of these children?

plantman
May 28th, 2012, 02:47 PM
Nobody is blaimng them for anything (surely not me), but just merely stating an expectation when children are born in such circumstances.

I'm sure that those reading this thread got your point tenn_ace, just not JN.

JN
May 28th, 2012, 05:35 PM
I'm sure that those reading this thread got your point tenn_ace, just not JN.

Color me surprised. :rolleyes:

mykarma
May 28th, 2012, 06:29 PM
There are 30 of them. Chances are at least 1 will do big things, maybe 3 or 4 will will have some talent in arts or sports, 5 will be gay & 1 or 2 will die young.
Good post but you forgot academics.

ranfurly
May 28th, 2012, 08:09 PM
Color me surprised. :rolleyes:

Colour me Barbra.

Stamp Paid
May 28th, 2012, 08:19 PM
Nobody is blaimng them for anything (surely not me), but just merely stating an expectation when children are born in such circumstances.
Wow, so you don't think coming from this kind of background would drive some of these kids to want something better for themselves? Adversity often makes people stronger. I know several people from similar circumstances who used their backgrounds as motivation to build a better life for themselves.

Nicolás89
May 28th, 2012, 09:01 PM
Good post but you forgot academics.

Well there are still 18 more.

Nicolás89
May 28th, 2012, 09:04 PM
Wow, so you don't think coming from this kind of background would drive some of these kids to want something better for themselves? Adversity often makes people stronger. I know several people from similar circumstances who used their backgrounds as motivation to build a better life for themselves.

IKR. Some just see others as stereotypes.

ranfurly
May 28th, 2012, 09:46 PM
Wow, so you don't think coming from this kind of background would drive some of these kids to want something better for themselves? Adversity often makes people stronger. I know several people from similar circumstances who used their backgrounds as motivation to build a better life for themselves.

Great when children/young adults see the light, considering their up bringing, of the occasions it does happen.

let's be realistic, with all the kids he's spawned, I'd be more inclined to pass judgement and say that most won't get out of the rut that father built for them, some kids will see the light, some won't, and continue living the way that they are accustomed too. Yet, I think it's safe to say that kids brought up in this enviornment are more likely to reflect the environment they are in then have the ability to make a positive change.

Don't count these kids becoming academics and rocket scientists.

I'm all for pipe dreams and candy floss endings, but realistically, that's just what it is, a candy fricken floss ending.

Glass half empty for me sorry.

Wigglytuff
May 28th, 2012, 09:54 PM
Don't count these kids becoming academics and rocket scientists.

.

And why not? Because if I recall correctly Clinton was brought up in a single parent household. There is a difference between being honest and attacking these kids before they even start school.

A particial list of some famous names raised in single parent households.
http://www.justparents.com/blog/2011/08/celebrities-raised-by-single-parents/

And because we need godwin's law. Hitler had a "traditional" mother and father.... Sooo

WhatTheDeuce
May 28th, 2012, 10:05 PM
The irresponsibility and ridiculousness of this story aside, this guy is hot as fuck. :lol:

Stamp Paid
May 28th, 2012, 10:06 PM
Great when children/young adults see the light, considering their up bringing, of the occasions it does happen.

let's be realistic, with all the kids he's spawned, I'd be more inclined to pass judgement and say that most won't get out of the rut that father built for them, some kids will see the light, some won't, and continue living the way that they are accustomed too. Yet, I think it's safe to say that kids brought up in this enviornment are more likely to reflect the environment they are in then have the ability to make a positive change.

Don't count these kids becoming academics and rocket scientists.

I'm all for pipe dreams and candy floss endings, but realistically, that's just what it is, a candy fricken floss ending.

Glass half empty for me sorry.Thats the beautiful thing about living in the United States...there are boundless opportunities for these children if they can get a good education. And living in Tennessee and being prejudged by people like you is more of an impediment to them getting that quality education than the fact that their father has 30 kids. In American society, you are not doomed to a certain class/caste just because your parents were.

Most people's children don't become academics or rocket scientists...but if these kids can get a solid education, they can grow up to become solid working class/middle class people, if not more.

Stamp Paid
May 28th, 2012, 10:08 PM
The irresponsibility and ridiculousness of this story aside, this guy is hot as fuck. :lol:Isn't he though? :lol::lol:

ranfurly
May 28th, 2012, 10:25 PM
Thats the beautiful thing about living in the United States...there are boundless opportunities for these children if they can get a good education. And living in Tennessee and being prejudged by people like you is more of an impediment to them getting that quality education than the fact that their father has 30 kids. In American society, you are not doomed to a certain class/caste just because your parents were.

Most people's children don't become academics or rocket scientists...but if these kids can get a solid education, they can grow up to become solid working class/middle class people, if not more.

Cheers for the reply mate, I do agree, I'm being a little slapstick with my reply, I make no bones about it, I support a welfare state for its means.

America, the land of opportunities huh.

:-)

Nicolás89
May 28th, 2012, 10:48 PM
I'd like to know all TF's rocket scientists. Really, what a retarded comment. :lol:

ranfurly
May 28th, 2012, 11:19 PM
I'd like to know all TF's rocket scientists. Really, what a retarded comment. :lol:

There's a differentiation on being serious and using a sarcastic overtone to convey a point mate,

Better Living everyone.

mykarma
May 29th, 2012, 03:24 AM
Great when children/young adults see the light, considering their up bringing, of the occasions it does happen.

let's be realistic, with all the kids he's spawned, I'd be more inclined to pass judgement and say that most won't get out of the rut that father built for them, some kids will see the light, some won't, and continue living the way that they are accustomed too. Yet, I think it's safe to say that kids brought up in this enviornment are more likely to reflect the environment they are in then have the ability to make a positive change.

Don't count these kids becoming academics and rocket scientists

I'm all for pipe dreams and candy floss endings, but realistically, that's just what it is, a candy fricken floss ending.

Glass half empty for me sorry.

No one surprised at your empty glass statement but this guy was nothing more than a sperm donor and has nothing to do with the raising of these children whether one or all 30. It's not as though all of them live together in the same house and will never be good-for-nothing. Barack Obama came from a single mother but I guess he's exempt.

JN
May 29th, 2012, 12:03 PM
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z225/dongoliano/bump.jpg

Source (in comments) (http://news.yahoo.com/2-brothers-sentenced-death-separate-states-173346703.html)

mykarma
May 29th, 2012, 03:32 PM
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z225/dongoliano/bump.jpg

Source (in comments) (http://news.yahoo.com/2-brothers-sentenced-death-separate-states-173346703.html)
Lawdy, lawdy you're let Helen Lawson off the hook in your sig. may he rest in peace.

Rocketta
May 29th, 2012, 04:57 PM
I don't think you should ever count out a child or make them think because of the household they grow up in they can't do better than their parents. However, I also think that you can't hold up example of people breaking the chain of poverty, drug/alcohol abuse and all around dysfunction as reason why some people with such backgrounds who didn't break the chain as lazy or shiftless. We know it's much harder for kids in poverty or in chaotic homes not to internalize that and copy the example set for them. Everyone is different, every circumstance is different. Potential is something that can never be studied but it can be stunted or squashed. We all have potential but we don't all have the environment to nurture it. Luckily for some people when their home is not nurturing but they are able to get it other places like school or grandparents. It's one of the reasons gangs can recruit they can offer some kids a place to belong, a brotherhood, some nurturing. Unfortunately, it's negative nurturing but some people are so starving for it they will look for it anywhere. Boys do gangs, Girls usually have babies and fill that need that way.

Take that all into account and then throw in the evil ways of big business destroying neighborhoods, whether it's through the destruction of the mom and pop stores but also the stagnation of wages and or the outsourcing of employment. Also, add in the clear attempts (quite successfully) at the destruction of public education. We will get what we sow. :(

ranfurly
May 29th, 2012, 08:36 PM
No one surprised at your empty glass statement but this guy was nothing more than a sperm donor and has nothing to do with the raising of these children whether one or all 30. It's not as though all of them live together in the same house and will never be good-for-nothing. Barack Obama came from a single mother but I guess he's exempt.


He was a Sperm Donor ? I didn't read anything in the article regarding him planting his seed in a tube.

eh, Whats the point of requesting Child Support payment from this guy anyway, 30 kids to share the maximum allowance of 50% of his salary (which is minimum wage), you miles well go scavenging the trash in the projects.

All good, The hard working tax payer will pick up the tab,

mykarma
May 30th, 2012, 01:53 AM
He was a Sperm Donor ? I didn't read anything in the article regarding him planting his seed in a tube.

eh, Whats the point of requesting Child Support payment from this guy anyway, 30 kids to share the maximum allowance of 50% of his salary (which is minimum wage), you miles well go scavenging the trash in the projects

All good, The hard working tax payer will pick up the tab,
This taxpayer for one would certainly rather my money go to helping disadvantage than any other cause I can think of. Now what?

ranfurly
May 30th, 2012, 02:27 AM
This taxpayer for one would certainly rather my money go to helping disadvantage than any other cause I can think of. Now what?

The disadvantaged, for sure, the people who are struggling, who genuinly need the assistance, the people who are made redundant, the people who are on a widowers pension, the pensioners, the invalids, people on ACC, people who are trying to find work...

Not the trash who milk the system, and bear children so they rake another $200 from WINZ

This taxpayer down under doesn't work hard 6 days a week to support people who take advantage of the system which is supposed to support those who genuinly need it.

Unfortunately, it's supposed to be, you can't help people who can't help themselves, well, in many instances, it's help people who can't help themselves, because we allow it to happen.

ranfurly
May 30th, 2012, 02:30 AM
This taxpayer for one would certainly rather my money go to helping disadvantage than any other cause I can think of. Now what?

I'd be more inclined for my hard earned cash to go into getting his nuts chopped of so he can't breed.

I've got a few tools which could help on the farm, one I use to dock Lambs tails and nuts with, if only it was legal.

Wigglytuff
May 30th, 2012, 02:40 AM
I have to wonder what those who have so much negative things to say about these childrens' futures do for a living?

JN
May 30th, 2012, 02:48 AM
I'd be more inclined for my hard earned cash to go into getting his nuts chopped of so he can't breed.

I've got a few tools which could help on the farm, one I use to dock Lambs tails and nuts with, if only it was legal.

Do you get better leverage that way? http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/images/smilies4/adult017.gif

ranfurly
May 30th, 2012, 03:01 AM
Do you get better leverage that way? http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/images/smilies4/adult017.gif

No, but you get a higher premium per lamb when you sell them to the freezing works, if that's any consolation.

mykarma
May 30th, 2012, 05:00 AM
The disadvantaged, for sure, the people who are struggling, who genuinly need the assistance, the people who are made redundant, the people who are on a widowers pension, the pensioners, the invalids, people on ACC, people who are trying to find work...

Not the trash who milk the system, and bear children so they rake another $200 from WINZ

This taxpayer down under doesn't work hard 6 days a week to support people who take advantage of the system which is supposed to support those who genuinly need it.

Unfortunately, it's supposed to be, you can't help people who can't help themselves, well, in many instances, it's help people who can't help themselves, because we allow it to happen.
Whose helping you with your psych bill because from your response in these post you need help and you're certainly not one to judge which kid deserves to eat. Having a trifling father is not one of the criterias. You haven't heard from not one of these women so you know nothing about any of them and even if they are the lowest of the low it has nothing to do with the hate you've been spewing on this topic. I'm done responding to you because I really believe you have issues. Respond all you want but no response will be coming from you to me. You don't deserve it and certainly don't know what a ass you've made of yourself here.

Moveyourfeet
May 30th, 2012, 02:20 PM
That man is not attractive. What are some of you smoking?

Super Dave
May 30th, 2012, 02:34 PM
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/attachments/florida-conch-divers/108185d1321449521-dive-business-florida-keys-thread-crap-die.jpg

mykarma
May 30th, 2012, 02:44 PM
Do you get better leverage that way? http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/images/smilies4/adult017.gif
:hysteric: :hysteric: :hysteric:

mykarma
May 30th, 2012, 02:47 PM
That man is not attractive. What are some of you smoking?
He's an asshole but he's damn fine and sexy and I'm stone sober.

Sally Struthers
May 30th, 2012, 03:28 PM
if you can't feed em, don't breed em :oh:

mykarma
May 30th, 2012, 05:33 PM
if you can't feed em, don't breed em :oh:
One would think.

ranfurly
May 30th, 2012, 08:27 PM
if you can't feed em, don't breed em :oh:

Yep, dead right.

Too many accident children out there.

ranfurly
May 30th, 2012, 08:31 PM
Whose helping you with your psych bill because from your response in these post you need help and you're certainly not one to judge which kid deserves to eat. Having a trifling father is not one of the criterias. You haven't heard from not one of these women so you know nothing about any of them and even if they are the lowest of the low it has nothing to do with the hate you've been spewing on this topic. I'm done responding to you because I really believe you have issues. Respond all you want but no response will be coming from you to me. You don't deserve it and certainly don't know what a ass you've made of yourself here.

Cool.

Go tell it on the mountain :lol:

JN
May 30th, 2012, 08:54 PM
Whose helping you with your psych bill because from your response in these post you need help and you're certainly not one to judge which kid deserves to eat. Having a trifling father is not one of the criterias. You haven't heard from not one of these women so you know nothing about any of them and even if they are the lowest of the low it has nothing to do with the hate you've been spewing on this topic. I'm done responding to you because I really believe you have issues. Respond all you want but no response will be coming from you to me. You don't deserve it and certainly don't know what a ass you've made of yourself here.

I would beg to differ. Anyone who tries as hard as he does has to know. http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z225/dongoliano/TrollFaceDancing_normal.gif

ranfurly
May 30th, 2012, 09:03 PM
I would beg to differ. Anyone who tries as hard as he does has to know. http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z225/dongoliano/TrollFaceDancing_normal.gif

Yep I know it :)

better living everyone.

...Just work for it :lol:

Nicolás89
May 30th, 2012, 09:29 PM
There are words for describing someone who exploits animals to make profit, "worker" is not one of them.

mykarma
May 31st, 2012, 03:18 AM
There are words for describing someone who exploits animals to make profit, "worker" is not one of them.
Ain't that the truth.

HippityHop
May 31st, 2012, 01:11 PM
It's very telling how people can change their arguments 180 degrees and not realize it (or at least admit it).

In other discussions on this board the argument is that people in the 99% (where these kids certainly are) have no chance to make good lives for themselves because the 1% will keep them down with jack boots on their necks. Some have even argued that life circumstance is a good reason to abort a child.

Now some of the same people are arguing that these kids beating the odds of their life circumstance is highly probable.

JN
May 31st, 2012, 02:56 PM
It's very telling how people can change their arguments 180 degrees and not realize it (or at least admit it).

In other discussions on this board the argument is that people in the 99% (where these kids certainly are) have no chance to make good lives for themselves because the 1% will keep them down with jack boots on their necks. Some have even argued that life circumstance is a good reason to abort a child.

Now some of the same people are arguing that these kids beating the odds of their life circumstance is highly probable.

I don't recall anyone saying anything like that. Would you care to cite some examples?

Stamp Paid
May 31st, 2012, 03:03 PM
It's very telling how people can change their arguments 180 degrees and not realize it (or at least admit it).

In other discussions on this board the argument is that people in the 99% (where these kids certainly are) have no chance to make good lives for themselves because the 1% will keep them down with jack boots on their necks. Some have even argued that life circumstance is a good reason to abort a child.

Now some of the same people are arguing that these kids beating the odds of their life circumstance is highly probable.Are you pulling this out of your ass, because I don't recall saying any of that :lol:

HippityHop
May 31st, 2012, 03:52 PM
I don't recall anyone saying anything like that. Would you care to cite some examples?

You honestly don't recall the arguments that the 99% don't stand a chance at a decent life in the political thread? GTFOH! :rolleyes:

Are you pulling this out of your ass, because I don't recall saying any of that :lol:

If the shoe doesn't fit, don't try to put your foot in it. :)

mykarma
May 31st, 2012, 05:15 PM
It's very telling how people can change their arguments 180 degrees and not realize it (or at least admit it).

In other discussions on this board the argument is that people in the 99% (where these kids certainly are) have no chance to make good lives for themselves because the 1% will keep them down with jack boots on their necks. Some have even argued that life circumstance is a good reason to abort a child.

Now some of the same people are arguing that these kids beating the odds of their life circumstance is highly probable.
Who are you referring to because I believe they can beat the odds but my main beef is that these children shouldn't be judged like some thrown away garbage.

JN
May 31st, 2012, 05:21 PM
You honestly don't recall the arguments that the 99% don't stand a chance at a decent life in the political thread? GTFOH! :rolleyes:

Here's the link - http://www.tennisforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1235 - get to quoting.


Who are you referring to because I believe they can beat the odds but my main beef is that these children shouldn't be judged like some thrown away garbage.

That's what we were all saying, but don't give him any help in changing his argument.

HippityHop
May 31st, 2012, 06:31 PM
Here's the link - http://www.tennisforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1235 - get to quoting.




That's what we were all saying, but don't give him any help in changing his argument.

I'll say what I want to say and guess what. Ain't a damn thing you can do about it. Deal with it. :wavey:

HippityHop
May 31st, 2012, 06:33 PM
Who are you referring to because I believe they can beat the odds but my main beef is that these children shouldn't be judged like some thrown away garbage.

Their circumstance is not a predictor but it is an indicator.

JN
May 31st, 2012, 06:36 PM
I'll say what I want to say and guess what. Ain't a damn thing you can do about it. Deal with it. :wavey:

Um, yeah, we're well aware of that. :tape:

NyCPsU
May 31st, 2012, 06:55 PM
Unfortunately this thread, much like this moron's sperm count, is not dying. :sad:

ranfurly
May 31st, 2012, 08:20 PM
There are words for describing someone who exploits animals to make profit, "worker" is not one of them.

:lol:

No mate, we wouldn't call that working, In Equine, it's called a pursuit.

as far as exploting goes.....:lol: wank on to PETA about it mate, couldn't give a Brass Razoo.

ranfurly
May 31st, 2012, 08:34 PM
Who are you referring to because I believe they can beat the odds but my main beef is that these children shouldn't be judged like some thrown away garbage.

Yeah, that's all very well and good you have this spawns best interest at heart, (albeit a little too hopeful)

General consensus and reality suggests not to expect much from them, not their fault, but it's life. If Daddy didn't fucking root everything that moved an inch then we wouldn't have to deal with lifes accidents

Take of the rose tinted glasses and get with the times.

ranfurly
May 31st, 2012, 08:37 PM
Unfortunately this thread, much like this moron's sperm count, is not dying. :sad:

Yeah, we've all had our say, and It's gone of topic numerous times.

JN
May 31st, 2012, 08:44 PM
Oh, the irony.

ranfurly
May 31st, 2012, 09:01 PM
Oh, the irony.

Wasn't being ironic, We've all had our fingers in this pie mate.

mykarma
May 31st, 2012, 11:09 PM
Their circumstance is not a predictor but it is an indicator.
My question to you was in response to your previous post and was asking you to clarify who were you referring to, that's all.

JN
May 31st, 2012, 11:18 PM
Their circumstance is not a predictor but it is an indicator.

IOW, a basis for stereotypes.

mykarma
May 31st, 2012, 11:23 PM
Um, yeah, we're well aware of that. :tape:
Looks like LBV was right.

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=21540833&postcount=169

HippityHop
Jun 1st, 2012, 04:24 PM
IOW, a basis for stereotypes.


The following is a quote. If you want to find out who said it, look it up yourself:
;)

I read up on Romney a good deal. He was born wealthy, he had the kind of upbringing that few enjoy. I would argue that alot of people would do as well if they were brought up in such conditions. He goes through life believing he is superior (in a social darwinist sort of way) to the common person but does not realize he is largely the product of his upbringing.

He gets involved with Bill Bain and joins his company, which eventually spins a side branch off, which was Bain Capital. Several company accusitions later he is worth several hundreds of millions of dollars and helps start a "efficiency craze" within Corporate America.

The central theme in my opinion is that if you start off in life wealthy and have access to powerful connections the chances of you becoming extremely wealthy yourself becomes substantially higher. A military term which works here is that wealth and personal connections are a very powerful "force multiplier" for the persons who are born into them.

Conversely being born into a disfunctional or poor environment greatly deflates your chances of rising out of it. Sure some people manage to rise out and become wealthy. I would argue however that those people have a unique quality (obviously different for each individual) which allows them to succeed even when factoring in their upbringing. The average person, however, has their chances of success greatly reduced if born into poverty or disfunctional households.

As time has gone by I have begun to realize that most of us are simply a byproduct of our upbringing. If we start out in a horrible environment there is a much reduced chance that we will ever make something of ourselves. At the same time if we are born to extravagent wealth we are almost guaranteed success later in life due to all the extra opportunities wealth brings (both directly and indirectly).

What we need as a country is someone who wants to try to make things more equal in America, try to attempt to give as many people a shot at being middle class as possible. Obviously the task is something that would take years, if not decades, but we have to start somewhere. If we just sit idle and let things "work themselves out" im almost totally confident we will regress back to a society which is less and less equal and more and more about your last name and who your parents are.

JN
Jun 1st, 2012, 05:07 PM
The following is a quote. If you want to find out who said it, look it up yourself:
;)

I read up on Romney a good deal. He was born wealthy, he had the kind of upbringing that few enjoy. I would argue that alot of people would do as well if they were brought up in such conditions. He goes through life believing he is superior (in a social darwinist sort of way) to the common person but does not realize he is largely the product of his upbringing.

He gets involved with Bill Bain and joins his company, which eventually spins a side branch off, which was Bain Capital. Several company accusitions later he is worth several hundreds of millions of dollars and helps start a "efficiency craze" within Corporate America.

The central theme in my opinion is that if you start off in life wealthy and have access to powerful connections the chances of you becoming extremely wealthy yourself becomes substantially higher. A military term which works here is that wealth and personal connections are a very powerful "force multiplier" for the persons who are born into them.

Conversely being born into a disfunctional or poor environment greatly deflates your chances of rising out of it. Sure some people manage to rise out and become wealthy. I would argue however that those people have a unique quality (obviously different for each individual) which allows them to succeed even when factoring in their upbringing. The average person, however, has their chances of success greatly reduced if born into poverty or disfunctional households.

As time has gone by I have begun to realize that most of us are simply a byproduct of our upbringing. If we start out in a horrible environment there is a much reduced chance that we will ever make something of ourselves. At the same time if we are born to extravagent wealth we are almost guaranteed success later in life due to all the extra opportunities wealth brings (both directly and indirectly).

What we need as a country is someone who wants to try to make things more equal in America, try to attempt to give as many people a shot at being middle class as possible. Obviously the task is something that would take years, if not decades, but we have to start somewhere. If we just sit idle and let things "work themselves out" im almost totally confident we will regress back to a society which is less and less equal and more and more about your last name and who your parents are.

The only source Google shows is this thread, so that leads me to wonder why you didn't simply cite the source since you had no problem providing the "quote." :shrug:


Looks like LBV was right.

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=21540833&postcount=169

Yes, more and more it seems he was.

HippityHop
Jun 1st, 2012, 07:15 PM
The only source Google shows is this thread, so that leads me to wonder why you didn't simply cite the source since you had no problem providing the "quote." :shrug:

Post #3288 (page 220) in the US Politics thread which is now in chat.

JN
Jun 1st, 2012, 07:21 PM
Post #3288 (page 220) in the US Politics thread which is now in chat.

JCTennisFan (http://www.tennisforum.com/member.php?u=68703) hasn't even commented in this thread, yet you try to use his post to paint those of us who have with? :confused: And I thought plantman was easy. :rolleyes:

And, BTW, I don't agree with all of what you bolded of his comment. Especially the part about being born into wealth dictating a positive life for yourself. The papers are full of stories to the contrary. Money can make people do some really stupid things, no matter who used they are to having it.

JCTennisFan
Jun 2nd, 2012, 12:02 AM
I stand by my post. I believe it to be largely true. If someone was born into wealth and opportunity and manages to fark it up then they would have probably been a failure regardless of their upbringing. Conversely if someone manages to go from "rags to riches" then they probably had something "innate" about them which largely ensured their success.

The main point though is that those "types" of people (both good and bad) are extremes at both ends of the spectrum and thus are the exception not the rule. The majority of people, "average people" shall we say, are heavily influenced by their surroundings and upbringing, both in a good or bad way.

"Average Joe" could have ended up as a well paid manager in a corporate business (if say it was owned by his rich daddy) or he could end up being a cashier for Walmart (if he was born in "bumfuck WV") depending on his beginning position in life. Hell if he was handed enough blows he could end up being in jail for petty crimes or drug use.

Think the "plinko" machine from The Price Is Right. You can put the chip in the exact same starting spot and it can end up in totally different places due to the pins changing its direction as it falls.

Wigglytuff
Jun 9th, 2012, 12:31 AM
:lol:

No mate, we wouldn't call that working, In Equine, it's called a pursuit.

as far as exploting goes.....:lol: wank on to PETA about it mate, couldn't give a Brass Razoo.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to torture animals for a living. And frankly as long as those kids end up doing something better than that with their lives it's all good.

I noticed you didn't comment on my post that both Obama and Clinton were raised by one parent household. And both men are far smarter and more accomplished than you will ever be.

Wigglytuff
Jun 9th, 2012, 12:35 AM
I stand by my post. I believe it to be largely true. If someone was born into wealth and opportunity and manages to fark it up then they would have probably been a failure regardless of their upbringing. Conversely if someone manages to go from "rags to riches" then they probably had something "innate" about them which largely ensured their success.

The main point though is that those "types" of people (both good and bad) are extremes at both ends of the spectrum and thus are the exception not the rule. The majority of people, "average people" shall we say, are heavily influenced by their surroundings and upbringing, both in a good or bad way.

"Average Joe" could have ended up as a well paid manager in a corporate business (if say it was owned by his rich daddy) or he could end up being a cashier for Walmart (if he was born in "bumfuck WV") depending on his beginning position in life. Hell if he was handed enough blows he could end up being in jail for petty crimes or drug use.

Think the "plinko" machine from The Price Is Right. You can put the chip in the exact same starting spot and it can end up in totally different places due to the pins changing its direction as it falls.

Yeah that's not true. Paris Hilton, George bush were both utter failures intellectually and in work, but because of their wealth and access and only because of their wealth they did very well in life.

To paraphrase what bush said "to all the C students I say if you are rich and your father was president you to can be president"

ranfurly
Jun 10th, 2012, 11:35 PM
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to torture animals for a living. And frankly as long as those kids end up doing something better than that with their lives it's all good.

No it doesn't take a rocket scientist, it doesn't take a captain obvious either it seems.

Might pay to know what torturing animals actually consists of aswell, before tarring people with the brush. Like I said, contact PETA if you're that concerned, Barking like a Rabid Dog does sweet fuck all mate or go to Badminton Trials and let Mark Todd and Pippa Funnel know how cruel thery are.

Don't know how this is relevant to be honest, but cest la vie!

I noticed you didn't comment on my post that both Obama and Clinton were raised by one parent household. And both men are far smarter and more accomplished than you will ever be.

Don't really know where you're going with the Bolded statement mate, that would cover most,

Still, considering his circumstances, providing these kids don't breed like their rabid father, That will be an acheivment in itself :-)

Keep the Projects turning into a Sowheto.

Lord's know how he will be able to afford all his grand kiddies xmas presents.

Better Living Everyone.

JCTennisFan
Jun 10th, 2012, 11:43 PM
Yeah that's not true. Paris Hilton, George bush were both utter failures intellectually and in work, but because of their wealth and access and only because of their wealth they did very well in life.

To paraphrase what bush said "to all the C students I say if you are rich and your father was president you to can be president"

Uh, thats the same thing im saying. Apart from the rare "excepton to the rule" ones upbringing and family wealth/status largely molds your future status in life.

ranfurly
Jun 10th, 2012, 11:48 PM
Yeah that's not true. Paris Hilton, George bush were both utter failures intellectually and in work, but because of their wealth and access and only because of their wealth they did very well in life.

To paraphrase what bush said "to all the C students I say if you are rich and your father was president you to can be president"

Who gives a flying fuck?

they're wealthy.

Money talks, beats being some pressed up sour old spinster :lol:

Go tend to your cats :lol:

JN
Jun 11th, 2012, 12:38 AM
Who gives a flying fuck?

they're wealthy.

Money talks, beats being some pressed up sour old spinster :lol:

Go tend to your cats :lol:

Beats being an ignorant, clueless bigot, as well. :help:

JCTennisFan
Jun 11th, 2012, 01:03 AM
Beats being an ignorant, clueless bigot, as well. :help:

:spit:

Wigglytuff
Jun 11th, 2012, 02:24 AM
Don't really know where you're going with the Bolded statement mate,

S

of course you don't. Didn't expect you too. But that proves my point about you anyway.

Wigglytuff
Jun 11th, 2012, 02:25 AM
Beats being an ignorant, clueless bigot, as well. :help:

Basically.