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joão.
May 18th, 2012, 04:05 PM
:cheer:

Still a mess though.

Vuvurenka
May 18th, 2012, 04:05 PM
Great first set from both players :worship: GOAT serving from Maria and Venus was holding up well until 4 all. Both Venus and Maria had BP chances but wasted them all, until Maria finally took her BP at 4-4.

2nd set was :o The DF to give Maria the match :help: But it was a much better match played by Maria, GL against Kerber/Kvitty in the SF :yeah:

Venus :hug: Great tournament for you, see you in Paris :cheer:

Cosmic Voices
May 18th, 2012, 04:06 PM
masha you finally beat a williams sister :hysteric::sobbing:
so much drama, first set was high quality, second was a shitfest

hilarious grunts from vee :lol:

df on match point :facepalm:

onto the next one claypova :inlove:

Serenus Christ
May 18th, 2012, 04:06 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2p2cyxF4t1qb2rlj.png

Queenpova
May 18th, 2012, 04:06 PM
http://s18.postimage.org/qw6fd1si1/mariaaohq.gif

vozas
May 18th, 2012, 04:06 PM
Betterathletepova :lol:

kangwoo
May 18th, 2012, 04:06 PM
congrats marsha

Roookie
May 18th, 2012, 04:06 PM
No serve Sharapova but the backhand :worship: hands down the best on tour right now.

TheDream
May 18th, 2012, 04:06 PM
My predicted scoreline..

Mashabator
May 18th, 2012, 04:06 PM
Loving it!!!! amaze maria GO GIRL

LCS
May 18th, 2012, 04:07 PM
All the arguing about line calls :hysteric:

Steven.
May 18th, 2012, 04:07 PM
so much life!!! :hearts:

good match apart from bad patches from both.

Pasta-Na
May 18th, 2012, 04:07 PM
Venus :hug:

Charlatan
May 18th, 2012, 04:07 PM
vee :hug: :hug: :hug:
nice job maria....please lose in the semi :sobbing:

Uranium
May 18th, 2012, 04:07 PM
Venus truly is a horrible returner. Dreadful and does nothing to fix it no matter how many missed or framed ones.

And then her tactics. I mean she clearly wasn't paying much attention today. Constantly hitting it to Maria's backhand...and getting burned 90% of the time.

flareon
May 18th, 2012, 04:08 PM
Venus :hug:
well played maria.

JRena
May 18th, 2012, 04:08 PM
Serena will annihilate her for this.

miffedmax
May 18th, 2012, 04:08 PM
Vee. :hug:

Still a great tournament.

Martha. Just keep going. :yeah:

StoneRose
May 18th, 2012, 04:08 PM
Good match, good win for Maria :yeah:.

doomsday
May 18th, 2012, 04:08 PM
Maria served well and returned well as well, really a great match from both but Maria is the better player off grass courts. And now lead the H2H:hearts::hearts:

Kairi
May 18th, 2012, 04:08 PM
Petra better beat dat ass tomorrow :o

JamieOwen3
May 18th, 2012, 04:08 PM
good stuff at times, especially the first set. Congrats Maria :)

Vee :hug: love you.

Smitten
May 18th, 2012, 04:08 PM
Venus still SEWTA's premier brainless ballbasher and most tactically inept player. Return of serve making Sharapova look like Isner or Karlovic.

Refusing to make even small adjustments to get into rallies (which she did well enough to win the match on).

Her usual local flopping on BPs and on serve. Idiot UEs. She's still useless.

Losing H2H with Sharapova, Clijsters, Hingis, Davenport, and S. Williams now.

http://i50.tinypic.com/241mkd1.gif

Joelina
May 18th, 2012, 04:08 PM
Maria congratz, now take the title ;)

Stonerpova
May 18th, 2012, 04:09 PM
Left at 6-4, *3-2 up, glad she closed it out. Backhand was brilliant throughout. Good luck against Kerber/Kvitova.

vozas
May 18th, 2012, 04:09 PM
Serena will annihilate her for this.

This :sobbing::sobbing::sobbing:

tennis-insomniac
May 18th, 2012, 04:09 PM
Vee :hug: I hate to see Vee lose, but this is a good tournament for her nonetheless.

Having said that, many of posts by some of Vee's fans are really irritating (I'm not saying All of Them!), and at some level quite arrogant.

Anyway, I hope Maria will keep going to the final and hopefully defend the title, but it's going to be tougher for sure.

The level of idiocy in GM really bugs the hell out of me, I hope it can be changed so we will enjoy each other more on this board.

Peace.

mirzafanindia
May 18th, 2012, 04:09 PM
Vee:sad:but still a good match and a good week..
Masha just remember Serena is still in the draw;)

starin
May 18th, 2012, 04:09 PM
Venus has no tennis IQ at all.
Step back on the first serve if you can't get any returns in play. In the last two Sharapova service games in the second set she got TWO returns in play.

And then she kept hitting to the bh even though the bh is Sharapova's best shot and by midway through the first set she was just camping in that corner.

Smitten
May 18th, 2012, 04:09 PM
Venus truly is a horrible returner. Dreadful and does nothing to fix it no matter how many missed or framed ones.

And then her tactics. I mean she clearly wasn't paying much attention today.

Today? For her career.

madmax
May 18th, 2012, 04:09 PM
not a bad match in retrospective, but Maria played better yesterday...still spending too much time on court against washed up journeywomen is not a sensible thing to do. Pick up your game now and defend this shit champ:cheer:

hankqq
May 18th, 2012, 04:09 PM
I realize Venus isn't back to her top level, but I thought this was a poor match for her tactics-wise. She won the point easily when she got Sharapova running and kept the ball away from her. Most of the time, however, Venus was hitting up or near the middle of the court and allowed Sharapova to take the initiative. She made Sharapova look better than she is.

Also, her return of serve was awful and she let Sharapova get away with too many 2nd serves.

dsanders06
May 18th, 2012, 04:09 PM
Head-to-head lead restored :cheer: Looks like Venus's only ever non-Wimbledon win over Maria will be when Maria was world #62.

Solid play from Maria. :) And a decent scalp too - her second-biggest win of this week sofar.
That said, it goes without saying that Kvitova and Kerber are in a different league, so she'd better step it up for tomorrow.

dynamoRockstarr
May 18th, 2012, 04:09 PM
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q120/DMG100/trinano2.gif damn it Vee!

Queenpova
May 18th, 2012, 04:09 PM
Petra better beat dat ass tomorrow :o

:hah::hah::hah::hah::hah::hah::hah::hah:

Libertango
May 18th, 2012, 04:09 PM
Siiiigh.

But well done Maria.

serenafan08
May 18th, 2012, 04:10 PM
I find it so interesting that players have an easier time with one Williams sister and a harder time with the other. Maria prefers this matchup; for whatever reason she seems to be able to handle Venus's game better. Should be an interesting weekend...perhaps Serena/Maria in the finals. Congrats Maria and well done Venus. Keep playing and improving - that's the goal! :yeah: ;)

JamieOwen3
May 18th, 2012, 04:10 PM
some people better not start making stupid comments now though, just be happy Maria won *Maria fans* no need to insult!!!!!

Stonerpova
May 18th, 2012, 04:10 PM
Venus still SEWTA's premier brainless ballbasher and most tactically inept player. Return of serve making Sharapova look like Isner or Karlovic.

Refusing to make even small adjustments to get into rallies (which she did well enough to win the match on).

Her usual local flopping on BPs and on serve. Idiot UEs. She's still useless.

Losing H2H with Sharapova, Clijsters, Hingis, Davenport, and S. Williams now.

http://i50.tinypic.com/241mkd1.gif

:eek:

Vuvurenka
May 18th, 2012, 04:10 PM
Venus still SEWTA's premier brainless ballbasher and most tactically inept player. Return of serve making Sharapova look like Isner or Karlovic.

Refusing to make even small adjustments to get into rallies (which she did well enough to win the match on).

Her usual local flopping on BPs and on serve. Idiot UEs. She's still useless.

Losing H2H with Sharapova, Clijsters, Hingis, Davenport, and S. Williams now.

http://i50.tinypic.com/241mkd1.gif

OMG this gif again :lol: But seriously watching Venus makes me frustrated sometimes. Only she can give two games away through DFs.

VeeJJ
May 18th, 2012, 04:10 PM
Venus truly is a horrible returner. Dreadful and does nothing to fix it no matter how many missed or framed ones.

And then her tactics. I mean she clearly wasn't paying much attention today. Constantly hitting it to Maria's backhand...and getting burned 90% of the time.

This. I thought it was a messy match from both. Venus really should have taken that first set. she had the better stats just 2 points made the difference. It was just very messy. And she did not play the forehand at all. Nevertheless she is playing decent. RG should be good.

Queenpova
May 18th, 2012, 04:11 PM
I find it so interesting that players have an easier time with one Williams sister and a harder time with the other. Maria prefers this matchup; for whatever reason she seems to be able to handle Venus's game better. Should be an interesting weekend...perhaps Serena/Maria in the finals. Congrats Maria and well done Venus. Keep playing and improving - that's the goal! :yeah: ;)

is vee's and ree's game supposed to be the same? :confused:

xr6turbo
May 18th, 2012, 04:11 PM
Oh well, Vee getting those points for the Olympics! :yeah:

Meanwhile, Serena getting ready to slay in the final :oh:

Doully
May 18th, 2012, 04:11 PM
Serena will annihilate her for this.

Why does it always have to be revenge with Serena? :rolleyes:

Well played Maria. First set was pretty intense stuff. Hope both girls have success at RG.

doomsday
May 18th, 2012, 04:11 PM
This :sobbing::sobbing::sobbing:

nOT A BIG DEAL :lol:

jacobruiz
May 18th, 2012, 04:12 PM
Whew! :bounce: I thought it would take three sets for Maria to beat Venus but I'm glad it took only two. :worship: What a backhand!

Nice to see Venus back in the mix.

JamieOwen3
May 18th, 2012, 04:12 PM
I find it so interesting that players have an easier time with one Williams sister and a harder time with the other. Maria prefers this matchup; for whatever reason she seems to be able to handle Venus's game better. Should be an interesting weekend...perhaps Serena/Maria in the finals. Congrats Maria and well done Venus. Keep playing and improving - that's the goal! :yeah: ;)


Classy post!

In The Zone
May 18th, 2012, 04:12 PM
It was nice to see Venus playing close to how she used to play. However, she left her brain at home. She was pounding Sharapova's backhand instead of Sharapova's forehand. She barely moved Maria around.

She is really peaking just in time for Wimbledon, I love it.

vozas
May 18th, 2012, 04:12 PM
Head-to-head lead restored :cheer: Looks like Venus's only ever non-Wimbledon win over Maria will be when Maria was world #62.

Solid play from Maria. :) And a decent scalp too - her second-biggest win of this week sofar.
That said, it goes without saying that Kvitova and Kerber are in a different league, so she'd better step it up for tomorrow.

The shade :worship:

Mr.Sharapova
May 18th, 2012, 04:12 PM
Ending the match with a DF, oh the irony :oh:.

Well done to Maria but she definitely needs to step it up more tomorrow. Hopefully she will play Petra in the semis, but on the other hand Kerber wouldn't be bad either :oh:.

Vincey!
May 18th, 2012, 04:12 PM
I think it was a great match, Sharapova wasn't playing bad at all but when you play Venus you have to expect more UEs. She serves pretty well almost the entire match. You felt that it was too much for Venus in the end tho.

dsanders06
May 18th, 2012, 04:12 PM
Venus still SEWTA's premier brainless ballbasher and most tactically inept player. Return of serve making Sharapova look like Isner or Karlovic.

Refusing to make even small adjustments to get into rallies (which she did well enough to win the match on).

Her usual local flopping on BPs and on serve. Idiot UEs. She's still useless.

Losing H2H with Sharapova, Clijsters, Hingis, Davenport, and S. Williams now.

http://i50.tinypic.com/241mkd1.gif

Out of interest, who is the best player of her era that Venus has a positive head-to-head against (Seles not the same era obviously)? :scratch: Ivanovic?

LCS
May 18th, 2012, 04:13 PM
I find it so interesting that players have an easier time with one Williams sister and a harder time with the other. Maria prefers this matchup; for whatever reason she seems to be able to handle Venus's game better. Should be an interesting weekend...perhaps Serena/Maria in the finals. Congrats Maria and well done Venus. Keep playing and improving - that's the goal! :yeah: ;)

I'm not too surprised. Their games are actually quite distinct.

gc-spurs
May 18th, 2012, 04:13 PM
Say watcha want about the match, I fucking loved watching their power and deep shots. This is a far better WTA than the last 2 years.

VeeJJ
May 18th, 2012, 04:13 PM
Venus still SEWTA's premier brainless ballbasher and most tactically inept player. Return of serve making Sharapova look like Isner or Karlovic.

Refusing to make even small adjustments to get into rallies (which she did well enough to win the match on).

Her usual local flopping on BPs and on serve. Idiot UEs. She's still useless.

Losing H2H with Sharapova, Clijsters, Hingis, Davenport, and S. Williams now.

http://i50.tinypic.com/241mkd1.gif

Boo, U mad?

:lol: What is this shit.

Venus >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hingis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clijsters >>>>Davenport >>>>> Sharapova.

Stay pressed.

Vuvurenka
May 18th, 2012, 04:13 PM
WTF at all the talks about a Serena-Maria rematch...are they already in the final respectively? :o

Queen_Vee_92
May 18th, 2012, 04:13 PM
Very good first set from both women, Venus faded in the second, but definately a good match :)

Clutch play by Masha in the first set which could've gone either way. Annoying that Venus was determined to trade backhands crosscourt with the best backhand in the world at the minute :o could've been even closer if Venus had dared to hit her backhand DTL a few times.

Overall, good week for Venus. Should definately make the Olympics now, and has a good full week and a bit to train up and rest for RG. Not too downhearted.

Good effort Vee :kiss: and well done Maria, retain your title :angel:

Foxy
May 18th, 2012, 04:13 PM
Venus truly is a horrible returner. Dreadful and does nothing to fix it no matter how many missed or framed ones.

And then her tactics. I mean she clearly wasn't paying much attention today. Constantly hitting it to Maria's backhand...and getting burned 90% of the time.


That was a good match and I'm really sad that Venus lost, but it was clear that Venus' instincts and shot selection is still not there. I'm quite sure that she will make the adjustment for the FO. Like you said Uranium, she was playing to Maria's backhand and that's her strength. She should have been playing to her forehand like she does in wimbledon.

Venus played Sam's forehand when she lost and then she went and played her backhand and she won. I'm quite sure Venus will make the adjustment. But it was a good game and I'll be looking for her to get revenge at the FO because you know the WTA will now put Venus on Maria's side of the draw because of this win.

Venus needs to work on her return of serve. That is a weakness for Venus and she's gonna have to fix that.

Matze
May 18th, 2012, 04:13 PM
Nice match... Maria was just a bit more focussed! Deserved win!

But boy did Venus show what is coming in the future! A little more matches like this and she will so rock again and beat those players! I am sure all the other players already shit in their pants and hope Venus will not be healthy coming Wimbledon :D

The Dawntreader
May 18th, 2012, 04:13 PM
Out of interest, who is the best player of her era that Venus has a positive head-to-head against (Seles not the same era obviously)? :scratch: Ivanovic?

Henin. So there.

starin
May 18th, 2012, 04:13 PM
Venus still SEWTA's premier brainless ballbasher and most tactically inept player. Return of serve making Sharapova look like Isner or Karlovic.

Refusing to make even small adjustments to get into rallies (which she did well enough to win the match on).

Her usual local flopping on BPs and on serve. Idiot UEs. She's still useless.

Losing H2H with Sharapova, Clijsters, Hingis, Davenport, and S. Williams now.

http://i50.tinypic.com/241mkd1.gif

and Flavia Pennetta, Tsevetana Pironkova
:facepalm:

Mistress of Evil
May 18th, 2012, 04:13 PM
A decent first set. :yeah:

- Thank you Venus for playing 98% on Maria's backhand. :hearts:
- Kader paying homage to both divas by being in the stands. :cheer:
- Martha's serve took a vacation in the second set. :spit:

TheDream
May 18th, 2012, 04:14 PM
Head-to-head lead restored :cheer: Looks like Venus's only ever non-Wimbledon win over Maria will be when Maria was world #62.

Solid play from Maria. :) And a decent scalp too - her second-biggest win of this week sofar.
That said, it goes without saying that Kvitova and Kerber are in a different league, so she'd better step it up for tomorrow.

That's just like me saying Maria's only win over Venus off of a hardcourt was when Venus was ranked well outside the Top 70 such as today's win. :rolleyes:

Smitten
May 18th, 2012, 04:14 PM
Out of interest, who is the best player of her era that Venus has a positive head-to-head against (Seles not the same era obviously)? :scratch: Ivanovic?

Unless you consider Bagelie an entity. :spit:

xr6turbo
May 18th, 2012, 04:14 PM
Venus still SEWTA's premier brainless ballbasher and most tactically inept player. Return of serve making Sharapova look like Isner or Karlovic.

Refusing to make even small adjustments to get into rallies (which she did well enough to win the match on).

Her usual local flopping on BPs and on serve. Idiot UEs. She's still useless.

Losing H2H with Sharapova, Clijsters, Hingis, Davenport, and S. Williams now.

http://i50.tinypic.com/241mkd1.gif
Yet who has more GS singles titles than all except her sister :oh:

Roookie
May 18th, 2012, 04:14 PM
Out of interest, who is the best player of her era that Venus has a positive head-to-head against (Seles not the same era obviously)? :scratch: Ivanovic?

Justine but all wins came before she won her first slam. Bless.

Rerun
May 18th, 2012, 04:14 PM
Maria played quite well, some good points, some bad ones but at the end she was solid!

Serena will crush her so bad in case she will reach the final now :sobbing:

Kon.
May 18th, 2012, 04:15 PM
Good win Maria. :yeah:

Good tournament for Venus, I hope she does really well at the FO.

vozas
May 18th, 2012, 04:15 PM
Out of interest, who is the best player of her era that Venus has a positive head-to-head against (Seles not the same era obviously)? :scratch: Ivanovic?

Omg stop it :haha::haha::haha::haha:

jacobruiz
May 18th, 2012, 04:16 PM
some people better not start making stupid comments now though, just be happy Maria won *Maria fans* no need to insult!!!!!

Why don't you give the same advise to your fellow Serena fans? :shrug:

Anyway, it's great to see Maria through to the next round and Venus back and playing well.

doomsday
May 18th, 2012, 04:16 PM
Out of interest, who is the best player of her era that Venus has a positive head-to-head against (Seles not the same era obviously)? :scratch: Ivanovic?

Jankovic? Oh wait :lol:

Reptilia
May 18th, 2012, 04:16 PM
Thank you Maria :hearts:


Great to see this matchup agian, it had been a while! Venus:hug:

Mistress of Evil
May 18th, 2012, 04:17 PM
Henin. So there.

Henin is her bitch. :drool: As far as I know, Queen Vee is the only player that has dominated Henin that much. :hearts:

Vuvurenka
May 18th, 2012, 04:17 PM
Stop dragging Venus you all :bigcry:

Slutiana
May 18th, 2012, 04:18 PM
Out of interest, who is the best player of her era that Venus has a positive head-to-head against (Seles not the same era obviously)? :scratch: Ivanovic?
Henin. :weirdo:

dynamoRockstarr
May 18th, 2012, 04:18 PM
oh, and good job Pova :yeah:


the first set was pretty entertaining. Wish Venus could have turned the match somehow.

Vikapower
May 18th, 2012, 04:19 PM
That's just like me saying Maria's only win over Venus off of a hardcourt was when Venus was ranked well outside the Top 70 such as today's win. :rolleyes:

Where's the sweat :unsure: Venus only beats Maria on Grass. Maria is 4-1 to Venus on any other surface.

This match was never in doubt even if Maria tried to make a mess out of it. Venus is a one surface specialist (grass) that's just about what she could have expected off it, a defeat in 2 sets.

Hope they meet in Wimbledon for Maria to get a win on grass agaisnt her.

PetraReeMona
May 18th, 2012, 04:19 PM
Serena will annihilate her for this.

:hysteric:

I know ..... I can't bloody wait :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

zigga
May 18th, 2012, 04:19 PM
Congrats Maria!:woohoo:

SoClose
May 18th, 2012, 04:19 PM
Congrats Maria :yeah: !
Vee :sad: get ready for FO.

vozas
May 18th, 2012, 04:20 PM
:hysteric:

I know ..... I can't bloody wait :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

You know she could meet that person on your avatar (won't even call her your fave as you seem to have forgotten about her :tape:) in the semis. No faith in that match up huh?

Queen_Vee_92
May 18th, 2012, 04:20 PM
Why does Venus' head to head against other irrelevant retired players matter in this thread :weirdo:

Fair enough if Pova fans want to gloat about her win today, i understand that, i'd be doing the same if Venus had won, but leave it at that.

You all look pressed and pathetic by mocking Venus in regards to other players. She's still got 7 grand slams, second most in her era, so have a bit of respect haters :o

serenafan08
May 18th, 2012, 04:20 PM
is vee's and ree's game supposed to be the same? :confused:

That's the point. So many people group them together when they are differnet in a lot of ways. The theory in the past has been "if you can beat one you can beat the other," but over time that has proven not to be the case. Lindsay struggled against Serena but had an easier time against Venus, and Capriati struggled against Venus but had the battles with Serena. I have just always found it interesting.

Craig.
May 18th, 2012, 04:20 PM
Masha. :bowdown: Her backhand was the shit for most of the match.

Venus :hug: Poor tactics and poor form in that second set. But she's pretty much in the Olympics right? :woohoo:

That first set was awesome btw!

Craig.
May 18th, 2012, 04:21 PM
Why does Venus' head to head against other irrelevant retired players matter in this thread :weirdo:

Fair enough if Pova fans want to gloat about her win today, i understand that, i'd be doing the same if Venus had won, but leave it at that.

You all look pressed and pathetic by mocking Venus in regards to other players. She's still got 7 grand slams, second most in her era, so have a bit of respect haters :o

Smitten is far from a Maria fan :lol:

xr6turbo
May 18th, 2012, 04:21 PM
Serena will beat Sharapova so hard that the gap between Hogstedt's two front teeth will permanently close. :sobbing:

Vuvurenka
May 18th, 2012, 04:21 PM
Why does Venus' head to head against other irrelevant retired players matter in this thread :weirdo:

Fair enough if Pova fans want to gloat about her win today, i understand that, i'd be doing the same if Venus had won, but leave it at that.

You all look pressed and pathetic by mocking Venus in regards to other players. She's still got 7 grand slams, second most in her era, so have a bit of respect haters :o

The same ol' posters that were calling Venus names in the Live Commentary thread are at it again..

vozas
May 18th, 2012, 04:21 PM
Vintage WTA in that 1st set. Well done to both of them.

Steven.
May 18th, 2012, 04:23 PM
You know she could meet that person on your avatar (won't even call her your fave as you seem to have forgotten about her :tape:) in the semis. No faith in that match up huh?

leave him/her alone. s/he's just trying to get on the good side of the bullies of tf you can't blame him/her

doomsday
May 18th, 2012, 04:23 PM
Vintage WTA in that 1st set. Well done to both of them.

Exactly that was fierce and very good from both, Vee is really playing a great level of tennis higher than plenty of top 10 that's for sure.
Now Maria go in the final and win more than 3 games against Serena.

TheDream
May 18th, 2012, 04:23 PM
Where's the sweat :unsure: Venus only beats Maria on Grass. Maria is 4-1 to Venus on any other surface.

This match was never in doubt even if Maria tried to make a mess out of it. Venus is a one surface specialist (grass) that's just about what she could have expected off it, a defeat in 2 sets.

Hope they meet in Wimbledon for Maria to get a win on grass agaisnt her.

Who cares if she's a one surface specialist. At least she's a specialist on SOME surface and will always be a Wimbledon favorite. What slams are Sharapova heavy favorites for? She hasn't won a slam going on years, in fact, Venus won a more recent slam than Maria. :scared:

Slampova
May 18th, 2012, 04:23 PM
Maria :bowdown::oh:

sweetadri06
May 18th, 2012, 04:23 PM
it was good in the first set. Venus jsut didn't seem to bring the right tactics and Maria's bh was on for alot of the match. Anyways good job qualifying for Olympics Vee. Maria, great tournament so far, looks like she will be in another red clay final. Definitely a fave for RG.

donellcarey
May 18th, 2012, 04:24 PM
not a bad match in retrospective, but Maria played better yesterday...still spending too much time on court against washed up journeywomen is not a sensible thing to do. Pick up your game now and defend this shit champ:cheer:

Ppl keep saying the character of a player decides what kind of fans she'll have.

Maria, a part from all the false hype she's got, in all she's a nice girl. I don't know how she has fans like u, so disrespectful and so full of BS.

Karma's a bitch bb, one win against Vinas will put you in an awkward position against Sarin, watch it.

Vuvurenka
May 18th, 2012, 04:24 PM
So....does it mean Venus has already qualified for the Olympics?

dsanders06
May 18th, 2012, 04:25 PM
leave him/her alone. s/he's just trying to get on the good side of the bullies of tf you can't blame him/her

I only hope that "I Luv Kvitty" creature is about 14 years old, because of the idea of an adult being as pathetic as that is unbelievably depressing :tape:

PetraReeMona
May 18th, 2012, 04:26 PM
Out of interest, who is the best player of her era that Venus has a positive head-to-head against (Seles not the same era obviously)? :scratch: Ivanovic?

:haha: :haha:

Such tennis knowledge :spit:

Henin - who Maria has a losing H2H with and who is about 2 ft smaller than her :rolls:

dsanders06
May 18th, 2012, 04:27 PM
That's the point. So many people group them together when they are differnet in a lot of ways. The theory in the past has been "if you can beat one you can beat the other," but over time that has proven not to be the case. Lindsay struggled against Serena but had an easier time against Venus, and Capriati struggled against Venus but had the battles with Serena. I have just always found it interesting.

It's pretty simple. One of Maria's main weapons is her mental toughness, but that's cancelled out by the fact Serena is even mentally tougher than her, but Maria is mentally tougher than Venus (as shown by the fact she was the much more focussed on key points today) :shrug:

T496
May 18th, 2012, 04:28 PM
Yay for Pova! Well played by Vee in the first set, shame the quality from both players dipped in the 2nd. Vee looks well on her way to being a fave for Wimbly though. Wimbledon and the Olympics just got more interesting!

Hopefully Masha can make the final now and make a decent showing against Serena for once...

V.e.s.W
May 18th, 2012, 04:28 PM
Maria played a solid match :) Venus' level was gradually detioriating; however, a good week for Venus :) I'm sure she will keep improving and work on this ROS :)

ampers&
May 18th, 2012, 04:28 PM
LOL Rod. Better luck next time!

Maria :hearts:

vozas
May 18th, 2012, 04:29 PM
It's pretty simple. One of Maria's main weapons is her mental toughness, but that's cancelled out by the fact Serena is even mentally tougher than her, but Maria is mentally tougher than Venus (as shown by the fact she was the much more focussed on key points today) :shrug:

This...

Maria is only second to Serena in the mental department, regardless of the wtf-losses she's had in her career.

Doubters will stay doubting, but it's the truth and that's why she's my fave :inlove:

doomsday
May 18th, 2012, 04:29 PM
Yay for Pova! Well played by Vee in the first set, shame the quality from both players dipped in the 2nd. Vee looks well on her way to being a fave for Wimbly though. Wimbledon and the Olympics just got more interesting!

Hopefully Masha can make the final now and make a decent showing against Serena for once...

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

TheDream
May 18th, 2012, 04:30 PM
It's pretty simple. One of Maria's main weapons is her mental toughness, but that's cancelled out by the fact Serena is even mentally tougher than her, but Maria is mentally tougher than Venus (as shown by the fact she was the much more focussed on key points today) :shrug:

Serena's mental toughness doesn't have much to do with her recent winnings over Maria. She hasn't even had to be mentally tough. She's just played her game and won fairly comfortably in their last few matches. Sharapova just doesn't have a dynamic enough game to trouble Serena now.

Lachy
May 18th, 2012, 04:30 PM
Well done Maria! Nerves clearly visible. Clean match apart from the serving at the start of the 2nd...like wtf?
Nice to see Venus playing again, and improving.

Serena will beat Sharapova so hard that the gap between Hogstedt's two front teeth will permanently close. :sobbing:

I have to admit this is pretty hilarious :lol:

Steven.
May 18th, 2012, 04:30 PM
Yay for Pova! Well played by Vee in the first set, shame the quality from both players dipped in the 2nd. Vee looks well on her way to being a fave for Wimbly though. Wimbledon and the Olympics just got more interesting!

Hopefully Masha can make the final now and make a decent showing against Serena for once...

agreed. imagine if her serves and groundies click at wimbledon like they did today for half the match. She'd be an easy favourite.

Vikapower
May 18th, 2012, 04:30 PM
Who cares if she's a one surface specialist.

Well I'm sure she cares -- when you disregard Wimbledon Venus only has one major more than Ana, Petra, Victoria, Schiavone, Stosur and Li Na in 20 000 years career. :lol:

will always be a Wimbledon favorite

Venus has severely declined on grass -- her last 2 losses were to Pironkova on her peak surface -- that's about all what to be said about her beeing "favorite" at Wimbledon.

What slams are Sharapova heavy favorites for?

Watch her resumé in Australian Open before asking silly questions. :lol:

Venus won a more recent slam than Maria.

Always on grass -- Dude :lol: both won their last slam in 2008 but I know that washed up argument already to use a couple months difference and say Vee's slam was more recent. :lol:

It's not Maria's fault if Australian Open is played couple months before Wimbledon, right ? :help:

TuxedoSlam
May 18th, 2012, 04:30 PM
First set was awesome from both players. Deserved win for Maria. Despite the quality of the second set, my fav match of this tournament so far.

Shivank17
May 18th, 2012, 04:30 PM
good win Maria :yeah:


Vee :hug: great tourney! Best of luck for RG. :yeah:

madmax
May 18th, 2012, 04:31 PM
Ppl keep saying the character of a player decides what kind of fans she'll have.

Maria, a part from all the false hype she's got, in all she's a nice girl. I don't know how she has fans like u, so disrespectful and so full of BS.

Karma's a bitch bb, one win against Vinas will put you in an awkward position against Sarin, watch it.

why should I be singing false praises about the match just because 2 competitors in it both have 10 slams combined?:confused: It's not like Maria didn't choke today or serve as well as she did in Stuttgart, so what's the fuss now? And I can say whatever hell I want without getting ridiculed by bullies like you, thank you very much:wavey:

V.e.s.W
May 18th, 2012, 04:32 PM
You know she could meet that person on your avatar (won't even call her your fave as you seem to have forgotten about her :tape:) in the semis. No faith in that match up huh?

You are full of s***.

V-MAC
May 18th, 2012, 04:32 PM
What an anti-climax the match turned out to be. It actually started off really well but five games in or so, Vee suddenly lost her spark and started folding with allowing Maria to completely dictate proceedings on the court.
Worst of all, Vee looked emotionless from that point onwards. There was just ZERO intensity from her:(
Would have at least liked to have seen her go down fighting but Vee had already checked out of the match by the start of the second set so the result was always inevitable.

Props to Maria though. She served really well for the most part and kept her focus.

PetraReeMona
May 18th, 2012, 04:32 PM
You know she could meet that person on your avatar (won't even call her your fave as you seem to have forgotten about her :tape:) in the semis. No faith in that match up huh?

I know.... but as I've said before Petra gave Serena more of a match in the 2010 W SF than Maria has in the past what 7 years :haha: and Petra was ranked about 48 then :tape: , whereby Maria is ranked no. 2 and has been spanked only last week :spit:

I certainly haven't forgotten about her. I wait for results.... Results being Petra has won more top rated tournaments in a year than Pova has in 5 yrs :rolls:

brickhousesupporter
May 18th, 2012, 04:32 PM
I guess this proves that they are not the same player.

doomsday
May 18th, 2012, 04:32 PM
Serena's mental toughness doesn't have much to do with her recent winnings over Maria. She hasn't even had to be mentally tough. She's just played her game and won fairly comfortably in their last few matches. Sharapova just doesn't have a dynamic enough game to trouble Serena now.

What? Maria's returns are still very good and she is also very solid from baseline as we've seen today. On this surface where rallies can last I really think she can put a decent fight over Serena, on all others surfaces Serena doesn't bother with Maria by firing aces and big returns.

Alejandrawrrr
May 18th, 2012, 04:34 PM
Out of interest, who is the best player of her era that Venus has a positive head-to-head against (Seles not the same era obviously)? :scratch: Ivanovic?

http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt310/Emy_Frost/TOPSECRET/WTA-Players-HeadtoHead-VenusWilliams.png
:oh:

dsanders06
May 18th, 2012, 04:34 PM
By the way, Maria was the better mover and defender on court today #thereisaidit

NashaMasha
May 18th, 2012, 04:35 PM
Maria is relentless to grannies and loves to make her haters cry..... I was pretty sure that if Masha serves well (not even GOAT) she is winning this match in straights....

I am not sure about the IQ of those 55% who voted for Venus before the match, because Venus is far from the form to compete with Masha

doomsday
May 18th, 2012, 04:36 PM
I know.... but as I've said before Petra gave Serena more of a match in the 2010 W SF than Maria has in the past what 7 years :haha: and Petra was ranked about 48 then :tape: , whereby Maria is ranked no. 2 and has been spanked only last week :spit:

I certainly haven't forgotten about her. I wait for results.... Results being Petra has won more top rated tournaments in a year than Pova has in 5 yrs :rolls:

Maria's career started in 2003 buddy but of course it would totally vanish Petra's "success" next to hers if you were taking this in account.

Oh and Maria had many set points against Serena in Wimbledon. Kvitova, none.

Critique
May 18th, 2012, 04:36 PM
Since her last Slam win Venus is 0-3 against Clijsters and 2-4 against Serena. If Henin hadn't retired she would have probably damaged that H2H as well. It is no secret that the last few years on tour for Venus have been riddled with injury.

Regarding the H2H with Maria: Venus owns her on grass and has had 2 close losses in Miami. Sharapova clearly has the advantage on slow HC and (now) clay, although on a faster HC like Stanford or Hong Kong Venus has comprehensively dismantled her.

First set today was surprisingly good. Second not so.

FleetSeb
May 18th, 2012, 04:36 PM
I know.... but as I've said before Petra gave Serena more of a match in the 2010 W SF than Maria has in the past what 7 years :haha: and Petra was ranked about 48 then :tape: , whereby Maria is ranked no. 2 and has been spanked only last week :spit:

I certainly haven't forgotten about her. I wait for results.... Results being Petra has won more top rated tournaments in a year than Pova has in 5 yrs :rolls:

Nope.

Wimbledon 2010

R16 def. (16) SHARAPOVA, MARIA (RUS) 7-6(9) 6-4

SF def. KVITOVA, PETRA (CZE) 7-6(5) 6-2

Matze
May 18th, 2012, 04:37 PM
Serena's mental toughness doesn't have much to do with her recent winnings over Maria. She hasn't even had to be mentally tough. She's just played her game and won fairly comfortably in their last few matches. Sharapova just doesn't have a dynamic enough game to trouble Serena now.

Sharapova also doesn´t have a dynamic enough game to trouble an inform Venus!!! I mean, you have to give credit where credit is due. But Serena always is in topform playing Maria Sharapova. Whereas Venus just was in topform two times and this was in Wimbledon!

Just found out 2005 Miami Maria beat Venus 6:4 6:3. Venus then went on to win Wimbledon after a long injury-break.
2012 Rome Maria beats Venus 6:4 6:3, after Venus was out because of a lot of bad things. I have a feeling this grasscourt season will be dominated by someone called Venus! :worship:

TheDream
May 18th, 2012, 04:37 PM
Well I'm sure she cares -- when you disregard Wimbledon Venus only has one major more than Ana, Petra, Victoria, Schiavone, Stosur and Li Na in 20 000 years career. :lol:



Venus has severely declined on grass -- her last 2 losses were to Pironkova on her peak surface -- that's about all what to be said about her beeing "favorite" at Wimbledon.



Watch her resumé in Australian Open before asking silly questions. :lol:



Always on grass -- Dude :lol: both won their last slam in 2008 but I know that washed up argument already to use a couple months difference and say Vee's slam was more recent. :lol:

It's not Maria's fault if Australian Open is played couple months before Wimbledon, right ? :help:


Can't disregard majors. Doesn't work like that. If I took away all of Navratilova's Wimbledon's, I could say she has as many slams as Seles. Because the Australian Open was played on grass at the time, if I took away ALL her grass slams, she would be at less than that.

Henin would only have 3 slams if you took away her French Open titles. Nope, doesn't work like that. And, who cares if her last two losses were to Pirokova where she was injured in 2010 and coming back from a year off in 2011 right before being diagnosed with Sjogren's.

It's not Maria's fault that the AO is played in January, but she is much younger than Venus, while Venus was 28 winning her last slam in the twilight of her career so Maria should have definitely accomplished more since then. Venus still has won a slam even more recent than Sharapova despite playing much less.

And, are you seriously saying Sharapova is the favorite at the AO? :lol: She got blazed by Vika in the final and got there because of a weak draw and lost to Kirilenko and Petkovic before that. What slam is Maria going into it as a heavy favorite, unlike Venus is at Wimbledon, even despite losses to Pironkova? Venus also lost to a journeywoman Jankovic and Karolina Sprem but she's still the favorite with 8 overall finals.

PetraReeMona
May 18th, 2012, 04:38 PM
Maria is relentless to grannies and loves to make her haters cry..... I was pretty sure that if Masha serves well (not even GOAT) she is winning this match in straights....

I am not sure about the IQ of those 55% who voted for Venus before the match, because Venus is far from the form to compete with Masha

Serena's also a granny :tape:

vozas
May 18th, 2012, 04:38 PM
as I've said before Petra gave Serena more of a match in the 2010 W SF than Maria has in the past what 7 years :haha: and Petra was ranked about 48 then :tape:

Did she? Didn't Maria lose 76 64 while Petra lost 76 62? That's two more games right?

Come on now. Is she REALLY your fave? Even I remember Petra's score from that Wimbledon :tape::tape::tape:

jrollaneres25
May 18th, 2012, 04:39 PM
I find it so interesting that players have an easier time with one Williams sister and a harder time with the other. Maria prefers this matchup; for whatever reason she seems to be able to handle Venus's game better. Should be an interesting weekend...perhaps Serena/Maria in the finals. Congrats Maria and well done Venus. Keep playing and improving - that's the goal! :yeah: ;)

Girl:o, are you forgetting that Venus is still in recovery of her health AAAAnd her game:rolleyes:

Mistress of Evil
May 18th, 2012, 04:39 PM
Maria is relentless to grannies and loves to make her haters cry..... I was pretty sure that if Masha serves well (not even GOAT) she is winning this match in straights....

I am not sure about the IQ of those 55% who voted for Venus before the match, because Venus is far from the form to compete with Masha

Is she? Granny Kimiko thinks otherwise. :)

gc-spurs
May 18th, 2012, 04:39 PM
Ppl keep saying the character of a player decides what kind of fans she'll have.

Maria, a part from all the false hype she's got, in all she's a nice girl. I don't know how she has fans like u, so disrespectful and so full of BS.

Karma's a bitch bb, one win against Vinas will put you in an awkward position against Sarin, watch it.

While I agree with you, this doesn't help one of the other arguments in the thread where people are like 'I don't know why people lump Serena and Venus together'.

PetraReeMona
May 18th, 2012, 04:39 PM
Maria's career started in 2003 buddy but of course it would totally vanish Petra's "success" next to hers if you were taking this in account.

Oh and Maria had many set points against Serena in Wimbledon. Kvitova, none.

Did she win those various set points? :tape: :lol:

doomsday
May 18th, 2012, 04:40 PM
Did she? Didn't Maria lose 76 64 while Petra lost 76 62? That's two more games right?

Come on now. Is she REALLY your fave? Even I remember Petra's score from that Wimbledon :tape::tape::tape:

Well, she is when she is winning. He is badwagoner, not worth our time.

T496
May 18th, 2012, 04:40 PM
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Haha you know what I mean! :p I'm hoping for revenge on Kerber in the semi and a high quality match against Serena in the final. Maria needs to improve her serving but part of me hope that the recent reintroduction of DF's is as a result of the potential big returns of Vee and Ajde. She won't hopefully have that fear against Angie and seems to up her level for Petra. Fingers crossed!

jrollaneres25
May 18th, 2012, 04:41 PM
I find it so interesting that players have an easier time with one Williams sister and a harder time with the other. Maria prefers this matchup; for whatever reason she seems to be able to handle Venus's game better. Should be an interesting weekend...perhaps Serena/Maria in the finals. Congrats Maria and well done Venus. Keep playing and improving - that's the goal! :yeah: ;)

Girl:o, are you forgetting that Venus is still in recovery of her health AAAAnd her game:rolleyes:

The last two meetings between these two, Venus won very convincingly so she had Masha's #:rolleyes:

She'll get it back don't worry:angel:

Break My Rapture
May 18th, 2012, 04:41 PM
#werenotontwitter

Maria was bad at putting away sitters today. She is so doubtful when she has to swat away a high, short ball with her BH. Serve was pretty good in the first set, nose-dived in second set. She's also not sliding half as well as she was in Stuttgart, some awkward lateral movement to the FH side at times.

NashaMasha
May 18th, 2012, 04:41 PM
Serena's also a granny

No, Serena will become a granny as soon as she loses to Maria ...... Al RenaFans will explain the defeat "Serena is too old"

Lachy
May 18th, 2012, 04:41 PM
Did she win those various set points? :tape: :lol:

I reckon you should stop :lol: It's ok to be pressed but making it this obvious is a little embarrassing now :tape:

doomsday
May 18th, 2012, 04:42 PM
Did she win those various set points? :tape: :lol:

Does it change the fact that she had more chances than Kvitova and gave a better fight ? NO, now go away troll.

PetraReeMona
May 18th, 2012, 04:42 PM
Did she? Didn't Maria lose 76 64 while Petra lost 76 62? That's two more games right?

Come on now. Is she REALLY your fave? Even I remember Petra's score from that Wimbledon :tape::tape::tape:


Not bad for a rookie eh? Whilst an experienced player who had won Wimbledon before won 2 more games :haha: That says it all doesn't it?:tape::tape::tape:

Won two more games to someone who had only recently come on the tour :haha: :help:

TheDream
May 18th, 2012, 04:43 PM
What? Maria's returns are still very good and she is also very solid from baseline as we've seen today. On this surface where rallies can last I really think she can put a decent fight over Serena, on all others surfaces Serena doesn't bother with Maria by firing aces and big returns.

She just aced and returned Maria to death last week on a claycourt?

Ntosake
May 18th, 2012, 04:43 PM
Disappointed by your loss today Venus, but very encouraged with your play this tourny.
Rethink some of your game plans, get some rest and see you at RG!

Congrats Pova!

Mikey.
May 18th, 2012, 04:44 PM
:cheer:

Some shitty serving in patches but the backhand was top notch. Pick it up a bit though Maria. :yeah:

Craig.
May 18th, 2012, 04:44 PM
Not bad for a rookie eh? Whilst an experienced player who had won Wimbledon before won 2 more games :haha: That says it all doesn't it?:tape::tape::tape:

Won two more games to someone who had only recently come on the tour :haha: :help:

WOW SERIOUSLY?

FleetSeb
May 18th, 2012, 04:45 PM
She just aced and returned Maria to death last week on a claycourt?

Don't be silly, last week wasn't clay.

Nonetheless, she will still ace and return Maria to death here as well.

mistymore
May 18th, 2012, 04:46 PM
Expected result. Maria owned Venus on non grass surfaces even when much closer to her prime, let alone 31 year old Venus on clay. It seems many confuse Venus with Serena and just expect the same thing. That isnt anything against Venus who also does better vs some people than Serena (eg- Dementieva, Henin), just that they arent the same person as some seem to think.

JRena
May 18th, 2012, 04:46 PM
I love how people base a player's success on how close they take a set off Serena. :D

TheDream
May 18th, 2012, 04:46 PM
Don't be silly, last week wasn't clay.

Nonetheless, she will still ace and return Maria to death here as well.

What was it then? It was a red clay dyed blue. :rolleyes:

C. Drone
May 18th, 2012, 04:47 PM
should have been easier without the inept umpire and the small choke in 2nd set.
first set was good.

iWill
May 18th, 2012, 04:47 PM
Venus looked totally outplayed today. Sharapova was serving well and returning even better...it was tough to watch as a WS fan BUT all credit to Sharapova for getting the win. I'm not sure what was going on with Venus other than maybe she's still piecing together her shots or strategy but she looked lost too often in that match. Far too many errors and she wasn't able to really apply any pressure to Sharapova.

sluggahjells3.0
May 18th, 2012, 04:48 PM
I've could have comeback in for all the embarrassing beatdowns over the last few months that she has taken, but I thought it was the best day to have a little fun here. :lol::lol:

Great to see Sharapova not fold and become a mental midget this week, even with her almost doing that against Christina McHale in Round 1. She was clearly still hurt mentally from last Friday's embarrassment, and has recovered nicely thanks to playing the more mentally fragile Ivanovic yesterday, and hoping Venus would show some signs of poor returning tactics and costly errors to give her confidence that she needs.

Now with that said, what's so funny was how Venus smiled at Maria at the net at match's end while Maria, as always sadly, gave her a cold handshake. It was so telling, because Venus wasn't even sweating the loss. "Too good from you today, too bad from me, but I did my work this week and I know my credentials" is how Venus felt today.

And it just classic to see the usual nutcases like dsanders06 and madmax, but especially dsanders06, bring up that "Venus only beat her when she was #62" and get on a party like Sharapova just won a Grand Slam for the first time in a long while, when Venus was ranked, lol, #63, and on her worst surface in comparison to Sharapova's best surface now. :lol:

So yes, rational folks and Williams supporters, don't pay no mind to them, because I'll gladly handle their comedy fest as always, just like in the past.

Roookie
May 18th, 2012, 04:49 PM
I.Luv.Shiitty :facepalm:

sluggahjells3.0
May 18th, 2012, 04:50 PM
No, Serena will become a granny as soon as she loses to Maria ...... Al RenaFans will explain the defeat "Serena is too old"

That's the only way if she losses to Sharapova :lol::lol:.......Then again, even if Serena transformed into an 80-year-old, I'm still not sure about Maria's mental fragile popping up again.

FleetSeb
May 18th, 2012, 04:50 PM
What was it then? It was a red clay dyed blue. :rolleyes:

It was basically an ice rink playing faster than Wimbledon.

TheDream
May 18th, 2012, 04:51 PM
It was basically an ice rink playing faster than Wimbledon.

Oh :bs: Maria fans especially used that excuse as a defense mechanism to explain her beatdown last week.

sluggahjells3.0
May 18th, 2012, 04:51 PM
Lol, I wonder if this is the Mashabators best day, even better over her beating a clay challenge, injury ailing Azarenka, in the final in Stuttgart, in a long while. :rolls:

Marcelo.
May 18th, 2012, 04:52 PM
Who cares about Wimbledon 2010?, you guys should be talking about Wimbledon 2011 ! :oh: :oh:

T496
May 18th, 2012, 04:52 PM
#werenotontwitter

Maria was bad at putting away sitters today. She is so doubtful when she has to swat away a high, short ball with her BH. Serve was pretty good in the first set, nose-dived in second set. She's also not sliding half as well as she was in Stuttgart, some awkward lateral movement to the FH side at times.

Yeah Maria missed a few put-away sitters against Ajde and Serena in Madrid too. Think she panics a bit and thinks she has to make them better/closer to the line than they have to be. Her swinging vollies have really disimproved over the last couple of years, definitely an area that needs work.

With regards to the sliding though I don't remember Pova sliding on the FH side at all in Stuttgart or ever for that matter. It's the BH side that she slides on, and she actually did that pretty well today. Again though definitely a weakness in her claycourt game. Take her wide on the FH side and she's in much more trouble than if you do the same on the BH side. Luckily for her no one seems to have told Vee that today...

Stonerpova
May 18th, 2012, 04:53 PM
Lol, I wonder if this is the Mashabators best day, even better over her beating a clay challenge, injury ailing Azarenka, in the final in Stuttgart, in a long while. :rolls:

Oh god not you again :sobbing:

FleetSeb
May 18th, 2012, 04:53 PM
Oh :bs: Maria fans especially used that excuse as a defense mechanism to explain her beatdown last week.

WTF?

I'm not using at as an excuse. Did you not read the second part of my original response to you? I said Serena would beat her here too. Please can people read posts before getting so gorram defensive

Doesn't mean that last week played anything like clay though. I was merely making a joke tbh. Chill out.

Ntosake
May 18th, 2012, 04:53 PM
(Wonder how long before this turns into a Serena vs Pova thread :devil:)

Let the countdown begin.:lol:....

Lachy
May 18th, 2012, 04:53 PM
Oh :bs: Maria fans especially used that excuse as a defense mechanism to explain her beatdown last week.

Actually it was spoken about heavily all last week, with ATP players (Nadal, Djok) threatening to boycott if the surface wasn't changed. Madrid has always historically played faster since it is at elevation and the changed surface color made it so slippery that it was virtually impossible to have a sustained rally - favoring big hitters (no doubt a factor in Hradecka's great run). It's not an excuse at all, but no way was it a true clay-court. Not sure where you were last week?

sweetadri06
May 18th, 2012, 04:54 PM
(Wonder how long before this turns into a Serena vs Pova thread :devil:)

Let the countdown begin.:lol:....

It already started. Never fails to amuse me. :lol:

doomsday
May 18th, 2012, 04:54 PM
Oh :bs: Maria fans especially used that excuse as a defense mechanism to explain her beatdown last week.

You do realize that Serena said something like that too :lol:

Lachy
May 18th, 2012, 04:54 PM
Lol, I wonder if this is the Mashabators best day, even better over her beating a clay challenge, injury ailing Azarenka, in the final in Stuttgart, in a long while. :rolls:

Extremely-injured?

doomsday
May 18th, 2012, 04:55 PM
Lol, I wonder if this is the Mashabators best day, even better over her beating a clay challenge, injury ailing Azarenka, in the final in Stuttgart, in a long while. :rolls:

Extremely injured you mean, that's her new name.:kiss:

Vikapower
May 18th, 2012, 04:56 PM
Can't disregard majors. Doesn't work like that. If I took away all of Navratilova's Wimbledon's, I could say she has as many slams as Seles. Because the Australian Open was played on grass at the time, if I took away ALL her grass slams, she would be at less than that.

Henin would only have 3 slams if you took away her French Open titles. Nope, doesn't work like that. And, who cares if her last two losses were to Pirokova where she was injured in 2010 and coming back from a year off in 2011 right before being diagnosed with Sjogren's.

My answer is related to the fact of Venus beeing a surface specialist -- when you take out her best surface from the discussion, she's barely better than the players I cited --

Justine has 2 US Open and 1 AO, multiple F and SF outside RG for example, one can be very good at a specific major but contrary to Venus not flop at each and every others, each and every living time to then be called one of the greatest --

Here's Venus' results when she won Wimbledon since 2005 -- [AO, RG, Wim, US Open] 2005 : [R16, R32, W, QF], 2007 : [-, R32, W, SF], 2006 : [QF, R32, W, QF].

0 F and 1 SF reached outside Wimbledon, that's pretty weak for a Goat. :tape:

Maria should have definitely accomplished more since then.

:spit: What a boat-load of hypocrisy, you're quick to mention Venus' health issues but also quick to hide Maria's shoulder problems. When Maria won AO 2008 she was pretty much her way to dominate the tour, she had 20+ match winning streak and got slayed with her shoulder just when she was going to string majors.

Maria skipped 2 majors and couldn't perform her best in RG and Wimbledon just like all the excuses you're searching for Venus --

And, are you seriously saying Sharapova is the favorite at the AO? She got blazed by Vika in the final and got there because of a weak draw and lost to Kirilenko and Petkovic before that. What slam is Maria going into it as a heavy favorite, unlike Venus is at Wimbledon, even despite losses to Pironkova? Venus also lost to a journeywoman Jankovic and Karolina Sprem but she's still the favorite with 8 overall finals.

You asked me which major Maria would be the heavy favorite at, watch her record in AO and it is definitively AO. There's not much to argue about that. Maria has 4 F and 5 SF.

Maria wasn't losing in Australia before the SF before her injury, 4 straight SF.

Serenita
May 18th, 2012, 04:56 PM
(Wonder how long before this turns into a Serena vs Pova thread :devil:)

Let the countdown begin.:lol:....

They already started :lol:

Stonerpova
May 18th, 2012, 04:57 PM
Extremely-injured?

Without a doubt my favorite nickname :lol:

VeeJJ
May 18th, 2012, 04:57 PM
WTF? Who got Vikapower started? They must be new.

homogenius
May 18th, 2012, 04:57 PM
venus :o

Nicolás89
May 18th, 2012, 04:57 PM
NID, this is not an important match.

Foxy
May 18th, 2012, 04:58 PM
Expected result. Maria owned Venus on non grass surfaces even when much closer to her prime, let alone 31 year old Venus on clay. It seems many confuse Venus with Serena and just expect the same thing. That isnt anything against Venus who also does better vs some people than Serena (eg- Dementieva, Henin), just that they arent the same person as some seem to think.


When Maria was winning against Venus and Serena they had both come off from injury. Venus had just come back from that bad abdominal injury and Serena had been off due to knee injury. But after they got a read on her game and her serve and started beating her, the WTA kept them out of Maria's way.

Venus' age was not a factor in any of her games, it is her instincts and shot selection that is a bit dull. Venus also has to pick up her muscle tone and that will come with match play. After 4 YEARS of Maria struggling, last years was the first year that she has made it to the semi's and finals. So in terms of Venus' progress after 4 tournaments she's WAY AHEAD of Maria.

Venus' main goal is just to qualify for the olympics and she's doing a very good job. Despite what I think about Venus, she does have a game plan and that's probably not to try to make it to every semi or final match, but to build upon that.

I predicted Venus would win, but I was wrong. However, with that, it took Maria almost two hours to beat a player who is only on her fourth tournament back, and who clearly is not match tough, nor is her instincts that great. Venus went toe-to-toe with Maria and she's been away from the game for quite a while and she's battling an illness.

We also have to take into consideration that this is the fourth day in a row that Venus has had to play, and she would have had to play another two days in a row; and because her body is not match tough she still gave it a go. Despite the score, Maria did not blow Venus off of the court. Venus lost her focus and concentration and she made poor shot selection on a few points that gave Maria the win.

Despite Venus not being match tough the stats were pretty close. Venus' main problem is that she played to Maria's backhand too much and her concentration left her a bit, and she needs to work on her return game a little, and her court instincts are still dull. But she's fix that the more she plays.

As much as I wanted her to win today, I think this tournament for Venus was about qualifying for the olympics, and I do believe she's accomplished that this week. Venus will be ready for her in Paris just like she was ready for Sam.

Break My Rapture
May 18th, 2012, 04:58 PM
Hmm sluggahjells logs on and PetraNo.4 logs off....

VeeJJ
May 18th, 2012, 04:59 PM
OMG :inlove: I LOVEDDDD that Extremely Injured shit. That was the best on-court shade I have ever seen.

sluggahjells3.0
May 18th, 2012, 04:59 PM
Henin. :weirdo:

It's pretty simple. One of Maria's main weapons is her mental toughness, but that's cancelled out by the fact Serena is even mentally tougher than her, but Maria is mentally tougher than Venus (as shown by the fact she was the much more focussed on key points today) :shrug:

:lol::lol:

Yup, like that Wimbledon 2005 first set tiebreak when both were at their best, and that 2nd set.

:rolls:

Also, Venus to my knowledge doesn't get scared and pissed out against Serena like Maria does. :lol:

GoofyDuck
May 18th, 2012, 04:59 PM
Venus was very frustrating to watch today, looking from sideline easy adjustement could of had turned this match.

some Maria fans are really annoying :o

dsanders06
May 18th, 2012, 05:00 PM
Hmm sluggahjells logs on and PetraNo.4 logs off....

:speakles: I hadn't thought about that, but it would make sense...

Lachy
May 18th, 2012, 05:00 PM
Serena will annihilate her for this.

:lol::lol:

Yup, like that Wimbledon 2005 first set tiebreak when both were at their best, and that 2nd set.

:rolls:

Also, Venus to my knowledge doesn't get scared and pissed out against Serena like Maria does. :lol:

You'd hope not, don't they live under the same roof? :hysteric:

sluggahjells3.0
May 18th, 2012, 05:01 PM
Extremely injured you mean, that's her new name.:kiss:

And yet, whatever you want to call, sure has been handling Maria so very easily in their last number of matches, :lol:

CameronCopper
May 18th, 2012, 05:01 PM
Gotta love how those who said Venus would crush Maria instantly turn this thread to the possible Sharapova-Serena encounter. Anyway, it was lovely to see you Venus, and I hope so badly you can make the Olympics :)

Cosmic Voices
May 18th, 2012, 05:02 PM
my eyes are burning reading all these bitchy comments :hysteric:

Stonerpova
May 18th, 2012, 05:03 PM
Gotta love how those who said Venus would crush Maria instantly turn this thread to the possible Sharapova-Serena encounter. Anyway, it was lovely to see you Venus, and I hope so badly you can make the Olympics :)

+1

Mistress of Evil
May 18th, 2012, 05:03 PM
Hmm sluggahjells logs on and PetraNo.4 logs off....

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz965rn1eI1qbgi86o2_250.gif

Mr Falsetto Nightingale revealing undercover peasants! :hearts:

doomsday
May 18th, 2012, 05:03 PM
And yet, whatever you want to call, sure has been handling Maria so very easily in their last number of matches, :lol:

Not in the last one though and ATM, I'm not sure her wins on HC are reassuring for her we're onto the clay season you know the surface where she is being hammered left and right in FINALS. Karma is a bitch.

sluggahjells3.0
May 18th, 2012, 05:03 PM
Oh god not you again :sobbing:

Yes, me again :wavey:

Still serving as a Sharapova fan that over the years begrudgingly became a Serena fan in hopes to ease the pain I see. :lol:

Stonerpova
May 18th, 2012, 05:06 PM
Yes, me again :wavey:

Still serving as a Sharapova fan that over the years begrudgingly became a Serena fan in hopes to ease the pain I see. :lol:

Wow am I that transparent?

C. Drone
May 18th, 2012, 05:06 PM
Hmm sluggahjells logs on and PetraNo.4 logs off....

:hysteric:

Charlatan
May 18th, 2012, 05:07 PM
Hmm sluggahjells logs on and PetraNo.4 logs off....

:oh:
Venus was very frustrating to watch today, looking from sideline easy adjustement could of had turned this match.

some Maria fans are really annoying :o

please...don't you see how your fellow I.Luv.Shitty was running his trolling ass on live scoring threads and here! biased little ass

sluggahjells3.0
May 18th, 2012, 05:07 PM
:speakles: I hadn't thought about that, but it would make sense...

:lol: Oh goodness, you're playing at those conspiracies again.

I mean seriously, do you guys, besides Mashabot praising and praying in the house of Masha all day, do anything else when someone smartly makes you look like fools here and gets you upset? :rolls:

sluggahjells3.0
May 18th, 2012, 05:08 PM
Wow am I that transparent?

Maybe, but you're obvious. :lol:

Stonerpova
May 18th, 2012, 05:12 PM
Maybe, but you're obvious. :lol:

I've liked Serena since Wimbledon 2008 :wavey:

GoofyDuck
May 18th, 2012, 05:13 PM
please...don't you see how your fellow I.Luv.Shitty was running his trolling ass on live scoring threads and here! biased little ass

So that means you are not annoying?

sluggahjells3.0
May 18th, 2012, 05:13 PM
Not in the last one though and ATM, I'm not sure her wins on HC are reassuring for her we're onto the clay season you know the surface where she is being hammered left and right in FINALS. Karma is a bitch.

:zzz:

Stuttgart, Shoegart, Indoor-Gart, K-Mart.

The fact of the matter is, Azarenka still owned her the last year and some change, and Sharapova has to win now on her best surface because it won't be happening anywhere else against mentally tough top opponents. :happy:

sluggahjells3.0
May 18th, 2012, 05:15 PM
I've liked Serena since Wimbledon 2008 :wavey:

Thank you for making my observation an actual truth. :kiss: :lol:

Crazy 4 Anci
May 18th, 2012, 05:16 PM
Nice one :yeah:

Foxy
May 18th, 2012, 05:16 PM
Venus was very frustrating to watch today, looking from sideline easy adjustement could of had turned this match.

some Maria fans are really annoying :o


Hi GoofyDuck, I too could see Venus' frustration, but her instincts will come back the more she plays. Also her muscle tone in her legs and arms will come back too with play.

Venus is clearly not match tough, however, with that said she's still doing pretty good. She made it to the quarters over top women who have been playing for the past couple of years and who is match tough.

And also Venus would have had to play 7 days in a row, and that was a bit much for her considering she's been out for a long time. The FO will be better for Venus because she'll be able to recoup and have a day off to plan her strategy better.

I don't know, but I don't think Venus' coach serves her as well as Serena's does. David whatever his last name is doesn't seem to be all that great in my opinion. Venus normally wins when Richard is coaching her because he knows her game and he knows her opponents weaknesses.

David should have made sure that Venus' tactic was not to hit to Maria's backhand like she did with Sam. Oh well, lets see if she does it the next time.:rolleyes:

And as for Maria's fans, they deserve their bragging rights. That doesn't bother me because I know Venus will be ready for Maria the next time. The more matches she plays the better her instincts are. Like I said before the FO will be better because she'll have that day in between to rest.

sluggahjells3.0
May 18th, 2012, 05:18 PM
You'd hope not, don't they live under the same roof? :hysteric:

Funny enough, to my knowledge, neither does Na Li, or Azarenka, or even Wozniacki. :happy:

ACEof DIAMONDS
May 18th, 2012, 05:19 PM
Expected result

Vikapower
May 18th, 2012, 05:20 PM
And as for Maria's fans, they deserve their bragging rights. That doesn't bother me because I know Venus will be ready for Maria the next time. The more matches she plays the better her instincts are. Like I said before the FO will be better because she'll have that day in between to rest.

Maria leads Venus 4-1 on non-grass surfaces, so I don't see what gives you right to brag Venus over Maria in RG. But good luck anyways.

Miracle Worker
May 18th, 2012, 05:20 PM
Congrats Maria :yeah:

Venus :hug: But I see a big progress in her form since Miami and Charleston. So, real Venus will be back soon.

sluggahjells3.0
May 18th, 2012, 05:20 PM
Hi GoofyDuck, I too could see Venus' frustration, but her instincts will come back the more she plays. Also her muscle tone in her legs and arms will come back too with play.

Venus is clearly not match tough, however, with that said she's still doing pretty good. She made it to the quarters over top women who have been playing for the past couple of years and who is match tough.

And also Venus would have had to play 7 days in a row, and that was a bit much for her considering she's been out for a long time. The FO will be better for Venus because she'll be able to recoup and have a day off to plan her strategy better.

I don't know, but I don't think Venus' coach serves her as well as Serena's does. David whatever his last name is doesn't seem to be all that great in my opinion. Venus normally wins when Richard is coaching her because he knows her game and he knows her opponents weaknesses.

David should have made sure that Venus' tactic was not to hit to Maria's backhand like she did with Sam. Oh well, lets see if she does it the next time.:rolleyes:

And as for Maria's fans, they deserve their bragging rights. That doesn't bother me because I know Venus will be ready for Maria the next time. The more matches she plays the better her instincts are. Like I said before the FO will be better because she'll have that day in between to rest.


All Venus needs to do is just not be stubborn, take one step back on serve since Sharapova is always desperate to go for the lines ridiculously on second serves and just handle business like she has done in blowing her out in the past. :lol:

Just up to Venus not being stubborn, but that's Venus for you. She'll be fine and accomplished her main goal this week.

sluggahjells3.0
May 18th, 2012, 05:23 PM
Maria leads Venus 4-1 on non-grass surfaces, so I don't see what gives you right to brag Venus over Maria in RG. But good luck anyways.

:lol::lol:

Says the one that still thinks Serena is going to lose every match she plays Vika or Maria :rolls:

sluggahjells3.0
May 18th, 2012, 05:26 PM
I'll just bring this up again:

Now with that said, what's so funny was how Venus smiled at Maria at the net at match's end while Maria, as always sadly, gave her a cold handshake. It was so telling, because Venus wasn't even sweating the loss. "Too good from you today, too bad from me, but I did my work this week and I know my credentials" is how Venus felt today.

It's like Maria was like "I finally get a chance to damage Serena." :happy:

KBdoubleu
May 18th, 2012, 05:27 PM
Venus clearly not close to playing her best still..but the first set was an improvement on the only other match I've seen of her's this tournament (the Halep one). Even still - Venus could have played the match better tactically. She hit everything to Sharapova's stronger wing (the backhand).

ACEof DIAMONDS
May 18th, 2012, 05:28 PM
Some of you take wins and losses entirely too personal

Maria Croft
May 18th, 2012, 05:28 PM
At the beginning of the match it looked like Maria thouht she was playing Serena or something.
Once everything came together it was very solid. Very nice to finally get a win over Venus again :)

To those saying that (if they should meet) Serena would destroy Maria in the final... yeah well, what else is new :p

J4m3ka
May 18th, 2012, 05:29 PM
Maria leads Venus 4-1 on non-grass surfaces, so I don't see what gives you right to brag Venus over Maria in RG. But good luck anyways.

And Serena leads the flops that are Maria & Vika 15-3 on ALL surfaces, yet that sure as hell doesn't stop you from "bragging" them over Serena. :haha:

Stamp Paid
May 18th, 2012, 05:30 PM
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp138/PrimoEmporio/beysmirk.gif

sluggahjells3.0
May 18th, 2012, 05:32 PM
To those saying that (if they should meet) Serena would destroy Maria in the final... yeah well, what else is new :p

If it makes the pain easier to accept, then definitely you are commended. (Better to have a glass half fill then empty and expect nothing. Now if only you can rely that to dsanders06 and madmax now :lol::lol:)

sluggahjells3.0
May 18th, 2012, 05:36 PM
Weird, ever since I've come in, this thread has become more quiet........Funny. I thought it would have a lot more comments, I wonder why?

Guess I've restored some sanity. :rolls:

Foxy
May 18th, 2012, 05:37 PM
All Venus needs to do is just not be stubborn, take one step back on serve since Sharapova is always desperate to go for the lines ridiculously on second serves and just handle business like she has done in blowing her out in the past. :lol:

Just up to Venus not being stubborn, but that's Venus for you. She'll be fine and accomplished her main goal this week.

Hi sluggahjells, I don't know if Venus was being stubborn today. It was her instincts and her fitness. You could clearly see that Venus needs to play more tennis because she's lost all of the muscle tone in her legs and arms, but that'll come back the more she plays.

I also think that Venus' concentration level really dropped today but overall it was a great match between both women. I really liked how Venus and Maria really played a mature match with no drama. When Venus gets back into shape and her instincts get sharper I'd like to see more matches out of Venus and Maria. I like a well played match and they gave us that today. It was really anybody's game; Maria was better today on the backhand.

But I'm not disappointed in Venus because it's only her fourth tournament back and she's managed to do what 150 plus players on the women's side couldn't do and they've been playing consistently for years. So what Venus has done this week is nothing to sneeze about.

But I betcha one thing, she'll be ready for Maria at the FO because I will bet my life on it that Venus will be in her section of the draw, just like they kept putting Venus in her section of the draw until she started beating her at Wimbledon. It's been several years since Venus has played Maria. Even when Maria came back from her shoulder injury, the WTA made sure she did not cross Venus or Serena's path, and she only crossed that path this week because Venus is still recovering from her long time off. Just let Venus start winning and we'll see the WTA shift Venus out of her orbit. :lol:

pedropt
May 18th, 2012, 05:37 PM
Marvelous 1st set, just to remind everyone they’re both part of the best generation ever in women’s tennis. Shame one had to lose because I love both, but Maria played smartly than Venus. Still can’t decide if I’m happy or sad though :sobbing:

gmak
May 18th, 2012, 05:42 PM
i.luv.Kvitty goes off and sluggahjells comes in :lol: :lol: :o


Maria :yeah: :D
good 1st set, shaky 2nd but got the job done in straights ;)

Venus :hug: getting better all the time

Foxy
May 18th, 2012, 05:45 PM
Marvelous 1st set, just to remind everyone they’re both part of the best generation ever in women’s tennis. Shame one had to lose because I love both, but Maria played smartly than Venus. Still can’t decide if I’m happy or sad though :sobbing:

Hi Pedropt, I totally agree with your assessment. Venus and Maria were neck-and-neck in the stats department, but Maria played a few big points better and that won her the match.

But more than that, I really enjoyed both Venus' and Maria's maturity in this match. They were handling their business and was playing without a lot of drama and bullying on the court.

Despite Venus losing, I think the audience enjoyed the match and they were just as intense as Venus and Maria. I can't wait until Venus is fully back in terms of her instincts, her mental concentration and intensity, and her fitness. When that is back, I'd love to see more matches between her and Maria because I actually enjoy their games. Even their wimbledon games were great as well.

I do think those two will be on the same side of the draw for the FO and I'm looking forward to seeing how Venus will adjust her game like she did with Sam, and that day off in between play will be better on Venus.

tennisbum79
May 18th, 2012, 05:48 PM
Congratulation to Maria.

Venus, it was a good run.

Wozzilroy
May 18th, 2012, 05:56 PM
Just as I predicted. I cannot remember the last time I was wrong

BluSthil
May 18th, 2012, 05:56 PM
I expected Sharapova to take this match in 3 sets. The fact that she did it in 2 tells me that Maria is hungry and maybe peaking at the right time.

Serena is still the slayer of 'screamapova', so if they meet again, I suspect the same results.

Serena's only occupation now is her tennis. She has no men in her life right now, for one reason or another, so her passion is squarely on her game. If the other players don't step it up bigtime, it could be a very predictable year !!!

cn ireland
May 18th, 2012, 05:58 PM
Maria:yeah:

Venus:hug:

Marcus1979
May 18th, 2012, 06:06 PM
My answer is related to the fact of Venus beeing a surface specialist -- when you take out her best surface from the discussion, she's barely better than the players I cited --

Justine has 2 US Open and 1 AO, multiple F and SF outside RG for example, one can be very good at a specific major but contrary to Venus not flop at each and every others, each and every living time to then be called one of the greatest --

Here's Venus' results when she won Wimbledon since 2005 -- [AO, RG, Wim, US Open] 2005 : [R16, R32, W, QF], 2007 : [-, R32, W, SF], 2006 : [QF, R32, W, QF].

0 F and 1 SF reached outside Wimbledon, that's pretty weak for a Goat. :tape:



:spit: What a boat-load of hypocrisy, you're quick to mention Venus' health issues but also quick to hide Maria's shoulder problems. When Maria won AO 2008 she was pretty much her way to dominate the tour, she had 20+ match winning streak and got slayed with her shoulder just when she was going to string majors.

Maria skipped 2 majors and couldn't perform her best in RG and Wimbledon just like all the excuses you're searching for Venus --



You asked me which major Maria would be the heavy favorite at, watch her record in AO and it is definitively AO. There's not much to argue about that. Maria has 4 F and 5 SF.

Maria wasn't losing in Australia before the SF before her injury, 4 straight SF.



SHarapovas best surface is Hardcourt its where she has won the most titles on I guess we better take off her US Open and OZ Open if we are being consistent
Same for Kim also

This is sarcasm btw Just to prove how ridiculous what you are claiming. Just because a player wins a lot of slams at one event should not dimish their reputation. Navratilova won most of her slams at Wimbledon, Justine won most at Roland Garros, Kim most of hers are at US Open, Hingis won most of hers at AUstralian Open.

edificio
May 18th, 2012, 06:07 PM
Great tournament for Venus. She just came up a little bit short today.

Diesel
May 18th, 2012, 06:09 PM
Venus played Maria tough it looks like. Good for her. She's getting her year moving step by step.

Miss Atomic Bomb
May 18th, 2012, 06:13 PM
Venus's return was quite bad from what I saw. She is slowly improving though, these are positive signs.

Maria was really clutch during the important points, at least in the first set I saw. On the majority of the 30-30 points, bps, sps, gps she managed to get that return or first serve into play.

winone23
May 18th, 2012, 06:19 PM
Nice try Venus.

DOUBLEFIST
May 18th, 2012, 06:22 PM
Nice run, Vee!

Congrats Maria.

Can't say I'm all that surprised given the stage of Vee's comeback.

Didn't see the message, but let me guess how it went:

Both ladies had some big serves and struggle with double faults. In the end, Maria proved steadier off the ground. Yes?

Vintage101
May 18th, 2012, 06:23 PM
The forehand and movement of the world number 2 :help: Venus is the much better athlete, but of course that's expected. If Venus used her brain by playing to her forehand and making the cow move, she would have won in two easy sets.

madmax
May 18th, 2012, 06:25 PM
sluggahjells:bowdown:
the most devoted and persistent Maria fan of them all...none of us could ever dream of knowing this siberian beauty as well as this insightful and knowledgeable persona...:cheer:

volta
May 18th, 2012, 06:40 PM
Maria was more consistent with her strokes and played better overall deserves the win :yeah:

Vee :hearts: nice run here and the Veelympics are almost guaranteed so :bounce:

PreOp
May 18th, 2012, 07:08 PM
I've could have comeback in for all the embarrassing beatdowns over the last few months that she has taken, but I thought it was the best day to have a little fun here. :lol::lol:

Great to see Sharapova not fold and become a mental midget this week, even with her almost doing that against Christina McHale in Round 1. She was clearly still hurt mentally from last Friday's embarrassment, and has recovered nicely thanks to playing the more mentally fragile Ivanovic yesterday, and hoping Venus would show some signs of poor returning tactics and costly errors to give her confidence that she needs.

Now with that said, what's so funny was how Venus smiled at Maria at the net at match's end while Maria, as always sadly, gave her a cold handshake. It was so telling, because Venus wasn't even sweating the loss. "Too good from you today, too bad from me, but I did my work this week and I know my credentials" is how Venus felt today.

And it just classic to see the usual nutcases like dsanders06 and madmax, but especially dsanders06, bring up that "Venus only beat her when she was #62" and get on a party like Sharapova just won a Grand Slam for the first time in a long while, when Venus was ranked, lol, #63, and on her worst surface in comparison to Sharapova's best surface now. :lol:

So yes, rational folks and Williams supporters, don't pay no mind to them, because I'll gladly handle their comedy fest as always, just like in the past.

Great post!

If fans don't enjoy what then is the purpose of the sport. The fact that that favorites win, and that favorites lose does not, nor should not temper a fans enjoyment.

Venus did just fine. Her goal had been to accrue enough points to qualify for the Olympics. She has done so, barring a reverse miracle.

Given that she is still recovering her health as much as she can she had every right after reaching this goal to bail out. Hasn't anyone on this board ever noticed that tennis players often do. That is all sport.

Dumping on Venus is gross to say the least. The same goes for dumping on Maria.

As for Serena fans who gloat on her beat downs, I say get a life.

Craig.
May 18th, 2012, 07:17 PM
Well, this thread epically failed to live up to expectations :lol:

madmax
May 18th, 2012, 07:20 PM
Well, this thread epically failed to live up to expectations :lol:

nah, it's just another day at the office for Maria:lol:
Wait till she loses her next match and all usual suspects will start crawling arround like a pack oh hungry hyenas...

perseus2006
May 18th, 2012, 07:32 PM
A couple of observations:

About half of this thread is about Serenka!?! The match was actually between Pova and VENUS at the 2012 Rome Tournament. What's with all this WS fan chest thumping about Serenka's looming beatdown of Pova should they meet in the Final? An even more dramatic beatdown than usual because Pova beat Venus. Serenka wasn't at all involved in this match, I don't think she even bothered to show up to support her sister in the stands. I suppose Oracene will tell her the scoreline, though. My antipathy to Serenka, Richard, Orcene and, by association, Venus is well documented on the boards but WS fans' behavior on this thread is appalling and not to be allowed to stand without comment.

First of all, only two or three WS fans bothered to notice that Venus simply wore out by the end of the first set. In the second set, Pova's form dropped by 50%, just check the stats on the WTA's LiveScore board, but she dominated Venus more dramatically than in the first set. I was concerned that Venus over did it in this match - her health, and Pova's too, is far more important than a tennis match! I am concerned about what happened to Pova and, equally, what happened to Venus. I hope both are ok and can healthily move forward into RG.

Quite a number of WS fans are predicting a major beatdown of Pova by Serenka because Pova beat Venus today!?! So what are these WS Fans saying? That Pova should have tanked to Venus to avoid retribution form Serenka in some future match? Did Stosur tank to Venus yesterday to avoid moving up on Serenka's Shit List? Are Venus's achievements in tennis due primarily to players tanking against her to avoid Serenka's retribution should they face her in some future match? I think not! Like her or not, Venus is her own woman and succeeds or fails on her own merits, regardless of Serenka's actions. Shame on you so called fans!

Here's a formula for posting on a results thread:

1. Congratulate the winner, preferably pointing out some aspect of the match you thought they did particularly well.

2. Give kudos to the loser and definitely point out something positive she can take from the match.

3. Post it and go to another thread!

Stonerpova
May 18th, 2012, 07:33 PM
Thank you for making my observation an actual truth. :kiss: :lol:

I started watching tennis the final weekend of AO 2008 when Serena was already out. The first time I saw Serena play was at Wimbledon that year and I liked her game :confused:

debby
May 18th, 2012, 07:36 PM
Gurl needs to retire, even Justine's losses were less ridics, and that tells a lot because of the score. Sharapova 2008 > 2012

/morrissey

Dan_Doe
May 18th, 2012, 07:46 PM
Always good to beat a Williams, even nowadays. Kerber next, I expect a close match.

doomsday
May 18th, 2012, 07:48 PM
Gurl needs to retire, even Justine's losses were less ridics, and that tells a lot because of the score. Sharapova 2008 > 2012

/morrissey

:lol:

Smoothstuff
May 18th, 2012, 08:09 PM
Venus still SEWTA's premier brainless ballbasher and most tactically inept player. Return of serve making Sharapova look like Isner or Karlovic.

Refusing to make even small adjustments to get into rallies (which she did well enough to win the match on).

Her usual local flopping on BPs and on serve. Idiot UEs. She's still useless.

Losing H2H with Sharapova, Clijsters, Hingis, Davenport, and S. Williams now.

http://i50.tinypic.com/241mkd1.gif

And yet she has more slams than all of them bar Serena. Fool.

hablo
May 18th, 2012, 08:45 PM
Venus. :rolleyes:

LightWarrior
May 18th, 2012, 09:00 PM
Venus looked tired, took a lot of time between the points. Hope the disease is not coming back. She had moments of brilliance though.

Dodoboy.
May 18th, 2012, 09:31 PM
Venus truly is a horrible returner. Dreadful and does nothing to fix it no matter how many missed or framed ones.

And then her tactics. I mean she clearly wasn't paying much attention today. Constantly hitting it to Maria's backhand...and getting burned 90% of the time.

So frustrating! Maria did serve well, but Venus's returns were CONSISTENTLY poor. What is she achieving standing so far up the court?

Foxy
May 18th, 2012, 09:38 PM
A couple of observations:

About half of this thread is about Serenka!?! The match was actually between Pova and VENUS at the 2012 Rome Tournament. What's with all this WS fan chest thumping about Serenka's looming beatdown of Pova should they meet in the Final? An even more dramatic beatdown than usual because Pova beat Venus. Serenka wasn't at all involved in this match, I don't think she even bothered to show up to support her sister in the stands. I suppose Oracene will tell her the scoreline, though. My antipathy to Serenka, Richard, Orcene and, by association, Venus is well documented on the boards but WS fans' behavior on this thread is appalling and not to be allowed to stand without comment.

First of all, only two or three WS fans bothered to notice that Venus simply wore out by the end of the first set. In the second set, Pova's form dropped by 50%, just check the stats on the WTA's LiveScore board, but she dominated Venus more dramatically than in the first set. I was concerned that Venus over did it in this match - her health, and Pova's too, is far more important than a tennis match! I am concerned about what happened to Pova and, equally, what happened to Venus. I hope both are ok and can healthily move forward into RG.

Quite a number of WS fans are predicting a major beatdown of Pova by Serenka because Pova beat Venus today!?! So what are these WS Fans saying? That Pova should have tanked to Venus to avoid retribution form Serenka in some future match? Did Stosur tank to Venus yesterday to avoid moving up on Serenka's Shit List? Are Venus's achievements in tennis due primarily to players tanking against her to avoid Serenka's retribution should they face her in some future match? I think not! Like her or not, Venus is her own woman and succeeds or fails on her own merits, regardless of Serenka's actions. Shame on you so called fans!

Here's a formula for posting on a results thread:

1. Congratulate the winner, preferably pointing out some aspect of the match you thought they did particularly well.

2. Give kudos to the loser and definitely point out something positive she can take from the match.

3. Post it and go to another thread!

Thanks for the observation perseus2006, I do think Venus' level dropped in the second set, but even with that drop she still managed to compete to the end. This was Venus' fourth match in four straight days and you could tell that she did tire out in the second set.

Venus is definitely not match tough and her instincts are not as sharp, but that will come with more play. Venus will do better at the FO because it's a two week tournament and she will have every other day off.

To win this title Venus would have had to play 7 days in a row and she's not up for that yet. With the FO coming up she'll have 14 days to play 7 tournaments and recoup and plan her strategy better. But considering that Venus is not match tough she's managing to go one step further with each tournament. This is her fourth tournament and she's made it to the quarters. With each tournament she goes one step further and that's a good sign.

I thought she'd win today, but I was wrong, however, I really did enjoy the maturity and professionalism from both players. This was a good match from both players and the fans were watching with intense, but today Maria played the important points better than Venus. However, Venus will be ready for the FO.

This is a sport and like all players Venus will go back to the drawing board and make the appropriate adjustments like she did with Sam. :bounce: :drool:

Dodoboy.
May 18th, 2012, 09:38 PM
The first set was great tennis. Venus just doesn't have a tennis brain anymore, also she didn't bring her best on the big points. The actual tennis was good for most of the time, so positives going into Wimbledon and Olympics. Never seen Maria serve so well in my life (first set). That could be Venus's HORRID return inflating it though!

rucolo
May 18th, 2012, 09:39 PM
Well done, Maria! :D:banana:

Her first win over Venus since Miami 2007 :drool:

NashaMasha
May 18th, 2012, 09:42 PM
I am concerned about what happened to Pova and, equally, what happened to Venus. I hope both are ok and can healthily move forward into RG.

Her first serve was switched off , she had 8% of first serve in 2 service games , but in the second part of 2nd set First serve returned back and she quite easily finished this match

Foxy
May 18th, 2012, 09:45 PM
The first set was great tennis. Venus just doesn't have a tennis brain anymore, also she didn't bring her best on the big points. The actual tennis was good for most of the time, so positives going into Wimbledon and Olympics. Never seen Maria serve so well in my life (first set). That could be Venus's HORRID return inflating it though!


Venus' return game will improve with the rest of her game. Don't forget that it took Maria 4 years to get back to this level, so I'm not complaining about four tournaments.

Venus does have a tennis brain, she's just rusty and her instincts are rusty from a lack of play. Venus will do like she did with Sam, she'll go back and readjust her game and work on her return game.

Venus is still working her way back and she knows what she must do. She managed to make it this far and the other top 10 players didn't so she has nothing to feel bad about today's loss because it wasn't to Melani Oudin, Maria Kirilenko, and some of the other lesser players who was constantly knocking Maria out in the first and second rounds for 3 years in a row. Maria knows not to underestimate Venus too. Like she said it's been years since she's played Venus and trust me the WTA designed it that way.

Maria is beating Venus coming back from a long break off, not the Venus was thumping in the Grand Slam's four years ago. At least Venus didn't lose to a player out of the top 10 like most of the other top 10 players did. What was their excuse for losing in the second and third rounds.

Dodoboy.
May 18th, 2012, 09:54 PM
Venus' return game will improve with the rest of her game. Don't forget that it took Maria 4 years to get back to this level, so I'm not complaining about four tournaments.

Venus does have a tennis brain, she's just rusty and her instincts are rusty from a lack of play. Venus will do like she did with Sam, she'll go back and readjust her game and work on her return game.

Venus is still working her way back and she knows what she must do. She managed to make it this far and the other top 10 players didn't so she has nothing to feel bad about. Maria knows not to underestimate Venus too. Like she said it's been years since she's played Venus and trust me the WTA designed it that way.

Maria is beating Venus coming back from a long break off, not the Venus was thumping in the Grand Slam's four years ago. At least Venus didn't lose to a player out of the top 10 like most of the other top 10 players did.

The thing is, it probably won't in big matches off-grass. She continues to be SO stubborn. Even before this comeback, I remember being so frustrated at her, she threw away whole sets simply because she REFUSED to take a few steps back. :help: The only thing I see happening is her timing having some GREAT days, but that will be so rare.

I do see some hope in your second paragraph. She did go back to the drawing board IMMEDIATELY with Sam, she told us she'd worked out Sam's game and she MEANT it. I hope she meets Maria early in RG to test this tennis brain.

Foxy
May 18th, 2012, 10:14 PM
The thing is, it probably won't in big matches off-grass. She continues to be SO stubborn. Even before this comeback, I remember being so frustrated at her, she threw away whole sets simply because she REFUSED to take a few steps back. :help: The only thing I see happening is her timing having some GREAT days, but that will be so rare.

I do see some hope in your second paragraph. She did go back to the drawing board IMMEDIATELY with Sam, she told us she'd worked out Sam's game and she MEANT it. I hope she meets Maria early in RG to test this tennis brain.



Trust me, Maria doesn't want to meet Venus early in RG. Maria knows Venus is looking to avenge this loss just like she did before. Maria is not stupid. She knows that the WTA had her to avoid Venus, Serena and Kim to allow her to adjust her game after shoulder surgery. Come on now let's be honest here.

Venus has no reason not to win in big matches off of grass because she has a power game. This was Maria's first time beating Venus I believe since 2007. Now why is that? That's because Maria was coming off of her shoulder surgery and the WTA was purposely giving her those draws to avoid Venus, Serena, Kim, and all of the others who were beating her.

Maria beat Venus after Venus was coming back from a medical condition, and even with that and all of Venus' being rusty and her instinct not being it wasn't a blow out. If you guys can wait 4 years for Maria to make it to the quarters, semi's and finals, then I'm quite sure you can cut Venus a little slack after 4 tournaments. Unlike Maria she is managing to go further with each tournament and that says a lot considering she is rusty.

Venus is no dummy and she's a champion and she's a competitor and she knows what she must do to win. Both Venus and Maria knows that today's win was a difference between a few key points being played better from Maria. Why do you think that the commentators and the headlines are not all about Maria's win over Venus. They know that Maria only won by a few well played points when it mattered; she did not blow a rusty Venus off of the courts.

And Maria knows that Venus will be ready for her should they meet in the FO. Venus will do what she needs to do to get back to where she wants to be. Trust me, Venus wants to be back in the top 10 and she knows that she's good enough to be in the top 10. Like I said, she made it to the quarters after just four tournaments. Maria just started making it to the quarters 1.5 years ago.

So I'm willing to cut Venus a little slack and give her more time to play more matches and get back into the swing of things.

Andy.
May 18th, 2012, 10:18 PM
Well done Masha :cheer:Its also really good to see Venus back at this level.

ranfurly
May 18th, 2012, 10:26 PM
Well done Sharky,

Venus, onwards and upwards?

misty1
May 18th, 2012, 10:29 PM
great win for maria

great week by venus, secures her place in the olympics(i really dont see vania or varvara passing her before the cut off)

azinna
May 18th, 2012, 10:43 PM
Solid tournament from Venus. The rest will hopefully come with more matchplay.


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doomsday
May 18th, 2012, 10:45 PM
Trust me, Maria doesn't want to meet Venus early in RG. Maria knows Venus is looking to avenge this loss just like she did before. Maria is not stupid. She knows that the WTA had her to avoid Venus, Serena and Kim to allow her to adjust her game after shoulder surgery. Come on now let's be honest here.

Venus has no reason not to win in big matches off of grass because she has a power game. This was Maria's first time beating Venus I believe since 2007. Now why is that? That's because Maria was coming off of her shoulder surgery and the WTA was purposely giving her those draws to avoid Venus, Serena, Kim, and all of the others who were beating her.

Maria beat Venus after Venus was coming back from a medical condition, and even with that and all of Venus' being rusty and her instinct not being it wasn't a blow out. If you guys can wait 4 years for Maria to make it to the quarters, semi's and finals, then I'm quite sure you can cut Venus a little slack after 4 tournaments. Unlike Maria she is managing to go further with each tournament and that says a lot considering she is rusty.

Venus is no dummy and she's a champion and she's a competitor and she knows what she must do to win. Both Venus and Maria knows that today's win was a difference between a few key points being played better from Maria. Why do you think that the commentators and the headlines are not all about Maria's win over Venus. They know that Maria only won by a few well played points when it mattered; she did not blow a rusty Venus off of the courts.

And Maria knows that Venus will be ready for her should they meet in the FO. Venus will do what she needs to do to get back to where she wants to be. Trust me, Venus wants to be back in the top 10 and she knows that she's good enough to be in the top 10. Like I said, she made it to the quarters after just four tournaments. Maria just started making it to the quarters 1.5 years ago.

So I'm willing to cut Venus a little slack and give her more time to play more matches and get back into the swing of things.



Still looking for a shrink I see.

Foxy
May 18th, 2012, 10:54 PM
Still looking for a shrink I see.

Well how about recommending yours to me. If your shrink is good enough for you then I think he/she will be good enough for me. :bounce: Do we have a deal doomsday? :lol: