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doujyr
May 18th, 2012, 12:07 PM
sorry if this should go on the twitter thread.

victoria azarenka ‏@vika7
Hopefully in the future there will be more protection for players rights

24m victoria azarenka ‏@vika7
If WTA rules were different then I could have focused on getting healthy, but I could not afford another zero pointer on my ranking.

6m victoria azarenka ‏@vika7
I was conflicted and disappointed to withdraw from Rome... I tried my hardest but I wasn't healthy going into the tournament...

doujyr
May 18th, 2012, 12:08 PM
i don't understand. she has to play 4 of the 5 premiers, so she can still play 4 by going to tokyo. seems she just wanted to avoid tokyo and that stuff about zero pointer is a smokescreen. or have i read the rules wrong?

Tenis Srbija
May 18th, 2012, 12:12 PM
sorry if this should go on the twitter thread.

victoria azarenka ‏@vika7
Hopefully in the future there will be more protection for players rights

24m victoria azarenka ‏@vika7
If WTA rules were different then I could have focused on getting healthy, but I could not afford another zero pointer on my ranking.

6m victoria azarenka ‏@vika7
I was conflicted and disappointed to withdraw from Rome... I tried my hardest but I wasn't healthy going into the tournament...

Yes you could. It happened before. You just didn't want to. :rolleyes:

sammy01
May 18th, 2012, 12:14 PM
true great players take zero pointers and know their health comes first. not only that they know ranking is just a number, you just go out and beat the players against you whether you are 1 or 50 in the world.

Queenpova
May 18th, 2012, 12:15 PM
She's a brat.

sweetadri06
May 18th, 2012, 12:17 PM
I don't understand what she means by she couldn't afford to take another zero pointer. She already has loads of points on her ranking. This whole deal was shady business. Either way I hope she really isn't seriously injured.

Jorn
May 18th, 2012, 12:18 PM
Ithink if a TOP 10 player Enter in a P5 they get a zero if they withdraws...

goldenlox
May 18th, 2012, 12:18 PM
Also a day after Wozniacki retired with upper respiratory illness she's tweeting from Monaco with McIlroy.
Add to that that Aga lost to a nonVika.

Its almost like they all got together to make a statement to the WTA.

Miss Amor
May 18th, 2012, 12:21 PM
Also a day after Wozniacki retired with upper respiratory illness she's tweeting from Monaco with McIlroy.
Add to that that Aga lost to a nonVika.

Its almost like they all got together to make a statement to the WTA.

Queen Vulture got throughly outplayed by a random chick who owns her. She doesn't care much about making statements. She had a chance to whore more ranking points and money and she would've done it if she wasn't such a mediocre player.

doujyr
May 18th, 2012, 12:31 PM
Ithink if a TOP 10 player Enter in a P5 they get a zero if they withdraws...

ok, got it. thanks

Tenis Srbija
May 18th, 2012, 12:31 PM
Also a day after Wozniacki retired with upper respiratory illness she's tweeting from Monaco with McIlroy.
Add to that that Aga lost to a nonVika.

Its almost like they all got together to make a statement to the WTA.

Was she supposed to stay in Rome until the tournament ends? :shrug:

brickhousesupporter
May 18th, 2012, 12:36 PM
sorry if this should go on the twitter thread.

victoria azarenka ‏@vika7
Hopefully in the future there will be more protection for players rights

24m victoria azarenka ‏@vika7
If WTA rules were different then I could have focused on getting healthy, but I could not afford another zero pointer on my ranking.

6m victoria azarenka ‏@vika7
I was conflicted and disappointed to withdraw from Rome... I tried my hardest but I wasn't healthy going into the tournament...
Some one is trying to have their cake and bonus money too.........

Are players really that afraid of a zero pointers on their ranking. I guess when you are trying to hold on to your ranking for dear life those zeroes matter.

jasonwright25
May 18th, 2012, 12:38 PM
She quit because she was scheduled the next day on an outer court, which is a slap in the face to the worlds #1 player.

brickhousesupporter
May 18th, 2012, 12:39 PM
Also a day after Wozniacki retired with upper respiratory illness she's tweeting from Monaco with McIlroy.
Add to that that Aga lost to a nonVika.

Its almost like they all got together to make a statement to the WTA.

What statement could be made, they still have the top 3 stars in tournament. No one notices that they are gone or misses them

Just Do It
May 18th, 2012, 12:40 PM
She quit because she was scheduled the next day on an outer court, which is a slap in the face to the worlds #1 player.

Please tell me you don't really believe in that :facepalm:

Marcus1979
May 18th, 2012, 12:40 PM
Venus and Serena have never been ones to concentrate on rankings. They have both won slams as low ranked players in the past and if they receive 0s on their ranking so be it. Even with the rule changes they still havn't been back to Indian Wells. I remeber Venus used to say back in the day it was just a number.

What is important is health and have the right amount of matchplay coming into the slams as thats what its all about really. SLam winners we always remember not how many weeks player X was #1 for. I mean when serena was #1 she was not exactly globetrotting all over the planet playing all the events like some recent #1 players have.

Jane Lane
May 18th, 2012, 12:41 PM
I got all of my frustration out on twitter already so this is all I'm saying.

There is not a single thing that is inaccurate about what she said. We've known the Roadmap was shit for ages and she's not the first to complain about the schedule. Tbh, the younger generation is more willing to play week in, week out than the Venus, Serena, Kim generation and that's where this schedule hurts them. The rules were put in place to try and get players to play more and support the Tour. They don't really have that problem right now.

I'd agree with anyone who said it because this PR trained media angel "Woooo WTA!" act is crap and maybe if they all came out and said how they really feel something would change.

babsi
May 18th, 2012, 12:41 PM
And the funny thing is that these tweets are appearing on the twitter box on the WTA website.

The Witch-king
May 18th, 2012, 12:43 PM
true great players take zero pointers and know their health comes first. not only that they know ranking is just a number, you just go out and beat the players against you whether you are 1 or 50 in the world.

Tanksters/Withdrawsters is the other side of the coin and I know you dont approve of her dishonesty

Marcus1979
May 18th, 2012, 12:44 PM
She quit because she was scheduled the next day on an outer court, which is a slap in the face to the worlds #1 player.

I remember in 2002 all the womans Semi Final matches were relegfated to the #2 court at eithyer roland garros or Wimbledon and tyhe woman didn't exactly blow their tops.

Nothing can beat JJ at Wimbledon a few years back when she had a big whinge of playing on one of the show courts :lol:

madmax
May 18th, 2012, 12:45 PM
I don't get why these young players bother about rankings so much anyway...Wozniacki, Radwanska, Azarenka - this trio would probably rise from their deathbed and play some event if only that benefits their ranking position in a positive way. Why not playing less, taking punishments from WTA and preserving your bodies for biggies like slams? This way any money lost from regular events would be easily covered by performing your best when it counts LOL

C. Drone
May 18th, 2012, 12:47 PM
I don't understand what she means by she couldn't afford to take another zero pointer. She already has loads of points on her ranking. This whole deal was shady business. Either way I hope she really isn't seriously injured.

She already has 2 zero pointers on her rankings (just like Maria or Petra).
With 3rd zero pointer she could have lose 320pts (Stuttgart Final). So its a double punishment.

"loads of points" is depends on point of view. Last year people were fighting here for weeks because Karolina finished 100pts higher than Petra. Vika right now has 400pts she cant use because of that 2 zero pointers. It could have been more than 700pts with the 3rd zero pointer.

Tenis Srbija
May 18th, 2012, 12:48 PM
Some one is trying to have their cake and bonus money too.........

Are players really that afraid of a zero pointers on their ranking. I guess when you are trying to hold on to your ranking for dear life those zeroes matter.

It's mostly money. No1 ranking gets her extra money from the sponsors, withdrawal from Rome would bust her bonus money at the end of the year. So it's money + money = bitching about how you had to do something in order to get more money.

davidmario
May 18th, 2012, 12:48 PM
I like her for speaking her mind in public.
First time I like anything about Vika :)

PetraReeMona
May 18th, 2012, 12:49 PM
What statement could be made, they still have the top 3 stars in tournament. No one notices that they are gone or misses them

Exactly! :yeah:

I said it before, I think she was pi$$ed she was put on Court 2.

Break My Rapture
May 18th, 2012, 12:54 PM
She already has 2 zero pointers on her rankings (just like Maria or Petra).
With 3rd zero pointer she could have lose 320pts (Stuttgart Final). So its a double punishment.

"loads of points" is depends on point of view. Last year people were fighting here for weeks because Karolina finished 100pts higher than Petra. Vika right now has 400pts she cant use because of that 2 zero pointers. It could have been more than 700pts with the 3rd zero pointer.
Wouldn't she have lost 900 points (Doha title) from a 3rd zero pointer, because that would count as the 2nd zero pointer for her two best Premier 5 results? I'm not sure though.

C. Drone
May 18th, 2012, 12:58 PM
Wouldn't she have lost 900 points (Doha title) from a 3rd zero pointer, because that would count as the 2nd zero pointer for her two best Premier 5 results? I'm not sure though.
I dont know about such rule.


right now her smallest points:
(Stanford 1)
Eastborune 120
Rome 125
Luxemburg 280

next:
Stuttgart 320
Sydney 470
YEC 890

saint2
May 18th, 2012, 01:02 PM
shes just whining.

Simugna Help
May 18th, 2012, 01:05 PM
right now her smallest points:
(Stanford 1)
Eastborune 120
Rome 125
Luxemburg 280

next:
Stuttgart 320
Sydney 470
YEC 890

She'd lose 320 points, then. Quite harsh, but if she could sustain her results from the first 4 months of the year, she'd still be easily #1. Though with Serena taking her eyes on Rome, RG and Wimby trophies, she can be overtaken in no time indeed.

CloudAtlas
May 18th, 2012, 01:10 PM
She has almost 10,000 points and 'couldn't afford another zero pointer' :lol:

But the rules are fine as they are, these girls just need to up their fitness or not enter as many tournaments as they do, end of. Stuttgart was a Premier, so why play that when you're the #1 and have two big events coming up? :shrug:

TheBoiledEgg
May 18th, 2012, 01:19 PM
She has almost 10,000 points and 'couldn't afford another zero pointer' :lol:

But the rules are fine as they are, these girls just need to up their fitness or not enter as many tournaments as they do, end of. Stuttgart was a Premier, so why play that when you're the #1 and have two big events coming up? :shrug:

she would have gotten a 0 for missing Stuttgart too.
its not like she's gonna lose 1 or 60 pts but 320
and the 0 pointer stays with you for 52 week.

Marcus1979
May 18th, 2012, 01:20 PM
She has almost 10,000 points and 'couldn't afford another zero pointer' :lol:

But the rules are fine as they are, these girls just need to up their fitness or not enter as many tournaments as they do, end of. Stuttgart was a Premier, so why play that when you're the #1 and have two big events coming up? :shrug:

Remember when she lost to Sharapova in stuttgart she basically called it a mickey mouse tournament :lol:

Marcus1979
May 18th, 2012, 01:28 PM
she would have gotten a 0 for missing Stuttgart too.
its not like she's gonna lose 1 or 60 pts but 320
and the 0 pointer stays with you for 52 week.

whats the criteria for Premier events I know

that Grand slams, YEC and Mandatory all count on the ranking (best 2 results for Premier 5 events count for top 20 players)

C. Drone
May 18th, 2012, 01:30 PM
She has almost 10,000 points and 'couldn't afford another zero pointer' :lol:

But the rules are fine as they are, these girls just need to up their fitness or not enter as many tournaments as they do, end of. Stuttgart was a Premier, so why play that when you're the #1 and have two big events coming up? :shrug:

she is well aware Agatha hogging points and coming for her wig ranking.

The problem is, players have to tell their tournament commitment list to WTA before season starts. And noone was even thinking about she wont lose a match in first 3 months. And of course she cant change commitments in midseason because "she is tired".
But, yes, she could have tanked Stuttgart, especially she was extremely injured there.

Mynarco
May 18th, 2012, 01:33 PM
I really don't understand what she's complaining about here. It's not that she cannot afford losing some points here. There's no point playing a tournament risking the chance of aggravating an injury

TheBoiledEgg
May 18th, 2012, 01:34 PM
she hardly hurt herself on Wed night playing against a punch bag

Daniel
May 18th, 2012, 01:38 PM
Vika , Aga and Caro losing early in Rome, it is a big drawback for the tournament.

Many fans miss the starts of the WTA tour.

Marcus1979
May 18th, 2012, 01:40 PM
Vika , Aga and Caro losing early in Rome, it is a big drawback for the tournament.

Many fans miss the starts of the WTA tour.

The stars are still playing ;)

the new generation really don't have the global marketing power than players like Venus, Serena and Sharapova can generate.

miffedmax
May 18th, 2012, 01:40 PM
Actually, it's kind of nice to see a player take their ranking seriously for a change. The Roadmap is idiotic, and it does, in fact, put more pressure on younger players like Vika and Caro than it does older ones like Kim and Serena who as former #1s and multimajor winners can afford to rest on their laurels (and their bank accounts).

doujyr
May 18th, 2012, 01:44 PM
She quit because she was scheduled the next day on an outer court, which is a slap in the face to the worlds #1 player.

cart before the horse. imo probably they scheduled it out there because she had already signalled her intention to wd.

brickhousesupporter
May 18th, 2012, 01:50 PM
Actually, it's kind of nice to see a player take their ranking seriously for a change. The Roadmap is idiotic, and it does, in fact, put more pressure on younger players like Vika and Caro than it does older ones like Kim and Serena who as former #1s and multimajor winners can afford to rest on their laurels (and their bank accounts).

Max, don't you remember when it was implemented, peopel were all gung ho about it. Remember, it would force the WS to play IW and force them to play a full schedule, instead of cherry picking events. Remember....this was a good thing for the WTA.


BTW, if generation suck was more concern with their legacy than their bank accounts, they would know that if they work on buildign their games instead of chasing rankings points, the money would come. Money usually follows greatness.

serendipitynow
May 18th, 2012, 01:51 PM
WTA rules are just fine. Players should focus on their tennis and not on rankings.

Break My Rapture
May 18th, 2012, 01:51 PM
I really don't understand what she's complaining about here. It's not that she cannot afford losing some points here. There's no point playing a tournament risking the chance of aggravating an injury
She doesn't want to lose her #1 ranking largely on account of having too many zero-pointers. Sharapova already isn't that far behind and a 3rd zero pointer would mean that one bad result for Azarenka could lead to her possibly losing her rank. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to lose the #1 ranking this way either.

Plus, she's thinking in the grand scheme of things here too. She's trying to keep her points tally as big as possible in order to be sure Radwanska can't overtake her.

Bronx19
May 18th, 2012, 02:12 PM
Women clearly cannot compete at the top level full time. They just arent made of the same stuff.

Spice
May 18th, 2012, 02:13 PM
Good for Vika! I say, highlight how little choices they have now about playing which Events.

Patrick345
May 18th, 2012, 02:15 PM
I don't get why these young players bother about rankings so much anyway...Wozniacki, Radwanska, Azarenka - this trio would probably rise from their deathbed and play some event if only that benefits their ranking position in a positive way. Why not playing less, taking punishments from WTA and preserving your bodies for biggies like slams? This way any money lost from regular events would be easily covered by performing your best when it counts LOL

Because not every player gets eight figure sponsorship deals with Nike like the Williams sisters or Sharapova? Do you know how many athletes end up broke after making over 10 million dollars in their playing careers? There are often incentives and bonuses connected to rankings.

Azarenka didnŽt want to play Rome, because she is currently overplayed and feels a break would benefit her tennis. If she takes the necessary break though she gets punished more than once for in terms of her potential earnings and ranking points. ShouldnŽt it be enough punishment that she voluntarily forfeits a chance at 900 (?) points and 600.000 Euros(?). Why should this hurt her twice in the rankings.

fede33
May 18th, 2012, 02:15 PM
Bitchrenka :kiss:

kangwoo
May 18th, 2012, 02:17 PM
(Reuters) - World number one Victoria Azarenka said she only played in this week's Italian Open to avoid a ranking penalty.

The Belarussian won her first match against Shahar Peer but then immediately pulled out of the tournament, citing a right shoulder injury.

On Friday, Azarenka revealed via Twitter that she had been forced into playing in order to protect her position at the top of the world rankings.

"I was conflicted and disappointed to withdraw from Rome," she said. "I tried my hardest but I wasn't healthy going into the tournament.

"If WTA rules were different then I could have focused on getting healthy but I could not afford another zero pointer on my ranking.

"Hopefully in the future there will be more protection for players rights."

A zero pointer means players have to include that particular tournament in their ranking calculations and cannot replace it with another.

jasonwright25
May 18th, 2012, 02:19 PM
Please tell me you don't really believe in that :facepalm:

Of course not. But it's not even in the top 100 dumb things that will be posted here today. Especially if it involves Vika or Wozniacki.

Patrick345
May 18th, 2012, 02:20 PM
Women clearly cannot compete at the top level full time. They just arent made of the same stuff.

Men canŽt either. Look at Djokovic this year. His results and tennis clearly suffer. Last season and additionally the AO final has taken half a season out of both of them.

danieln1
May 18th, 2012, 02:21 PM
I remember in 2002 all the womans Semi Final matches were relegfated to the #2 court at eithyer roland garros or Wimbledon and tyhe woman didn't exactly blow their tops.

Nothing can beat JJ at Wimbledon a few years back when she had a big whinge of playing on one of the show courts :lol:

She was right to complain she was the number 2 player in the world ( Ivanovic was #1), and she was dumped to court 18. She even joked that her court was in "the parking lot", and she even lost that match to Tanasugarn

dany.p
May 18th, 2012, 02:22 PM
I'm guessing there's more to it then just getting a 0. Me thinks she wants her end of year bonus money without earning it.

No one forced her to play Rome. If she was legimately injured, she should've withdrawn and copped the 0 pointer. I struggle to see the injustice here.

CloudAtlas
May 18th, 2012, 02:30 PM
she would have gotten a 0 for missing Stuttgart too.
its not like she's gonna lose 1 or 60 pts but 320
and the 0 pointer stays with you for 52 week.

Remember when she lost to Sharapova in stuttgart she basically called it a mickey mouse tournament :lol:

she is well aware Agatha hogging points and coming for her wig ranking.

The problem is, players have to tell their tournament commitment list to WTA before season starts. And noone was even thinking about she wont lose a match in first 3 months. And of course she cant change commitments in midseason because "she is tired".
But, yes, she could have tanked Stuttgart, especially she was extremely injured there.



I don't get the basis of her complaints then. She should have retired in her first round match if she was unhealthy, regardless of the level of her opponent if she was really being forced to play as she says. Why beat one player then whinge about being forced to play?

Obviously if she hadn't complained about the current situation things might be different but half of it is her own fault, so it just seems childish on her part, then again that's nothing new :shrug:

Christinawww
May 18th, 2012, 02:34 PM
Venus and Serena have never been ones to concentrate on rankings. They have both won slams as low ranked players in the past and if they receive 0s on their ranking so be it. Even with the rule changes they still havn't been back to Indian Wells. I remeber Venus used to say back in the day it was just a number.

What is important is health and have the right amount of matchplay coming into the slams as thats what its all about really. SLam winners we always remember not how many weeks player X was #1 for. I mean when serena was #1 she was not exactly globetrotting all over the planet playing all the events like some recent #1 players have.

are you really comparing a member of generation suck to GOATs? Vika might never win another slam, a game is limited and depending on her opponents' level, so there's no way she can go about it the same way as Serena and Venus.

Vika knows she is in generation suck so she has to treasure her days as number 1, her claim to fame.

GoofyDuck
May 18th, 2012, 02:36 PM
#1 rolemodel and representative of the WTA...

oh wait :help:

miffedmax
May 18th, 2012, 02:36 PM
Max, don't you remember when it was implemented, peopel were all gung ho about it. Remember, it would force the WS to play IW and force them to play a full schedule, instead of cherry picking events. Remember....this was a good thing for the WTA.


BTW, if generation suck was more concern with their legacy than their bank accounts, they would know that if they work on buildign their games instead of chasing rankings points, the money would come. Money usually follows greatness.

A lot of people, including me, didn't like it from the beginning.

And there was a time when rankings and greatness correlated. I'm not going to apologize for missing those days.

brickhousesupporter
May 18th, 2012, 02:38 PM
A lot of people, including me, didn't like it from the beginning.

And there was a time when rankings and greatness correlated. I'm not going to apologize for missing those days.
Oh....is that an admission on your part.......? That was also a different ranking system.

Break My Rapture
May 18th, 2012, 02:39 PM
I don't get the basis of her complaints then. She should have retired in her first round match if she was unhealthy, regardless of the level of her opponent if she was really being forced to play as she says. Why beat one player then whinge about being forced to play?

Obviously if she hadn't complained about the current situation things might be different but half of it is her own fault, so it just seems childish on her part, then again that's nothing new :shrug:
Why not retire? Because she would've been crucified again. Anyway she seems to get accused of murder by clueless detractors for every decision she makes in these situations so it doesn't really matter.

She's telling the truth. These situations are indeed conflicting for a top player. On one hand she needs to "support the Tour" and don't go all part-time on WTA's ass like Serena and Kim do. On the other hand she can't play TOO much otherwise she'll get fatigued/injured, and she can't retire because a retirement next to her name is just bait for people to bash her. She also can't withdraw from a big event because it will pollute her ranking with zero-pointers. CONFLICTING AND DUBIOUS, this WTA. :lol:

madmax
May 18th, 2012, 02:46 PM
Because not every player gets eight figure sponsorship deals with Nike like the Williams sisters or Sharapova? Do you know how many athletes end up broke after making over 10 million dollars in their playing careers? There are often incentives and bonuses connected to rankings.

Azarenka didnŽt want to play Rome, because she is currently overplayed and feels a break would benefit her tennis. If she takes the necessary break though she gets punished more than once for in terms of her potential earnings and ranking points. ShouldnŽt it be enough punishment that she voluntarily forfeits a chance at 900 (?) points and 600.000 Euros(?). Why should this hurt her twice in the rankings.

because actually peaking for big events and not overplaying in smaller ones MIGHT just prolong their career and at the same time bring the cash in too? Clijsters should be an obvious example for those greedy chicks how to manage your career if your game isn't overwhelmingly good - seize your opportunity when it presents itself and start winning when better players with superior games get injured or simply decline...that's how belgian won her latest 3 slams anyway

dany.p
May 18th, 2012, 02:49 PM
The bonus pool money is not a right that a player is entitled to. It's a reward for top players who support the tour. She is not automatically entitled to that money just because she may want it. She has to work for it.

brickhousesupporter
May 18th, 2012, 02:51 PM
Why not retire? Because she would've been crucified again. Anyway she seems to get accused of murder by clueless detractors for every decision she makes in these situations so it doesn't really matter.

She's telling the truth. These situations are indeed conflicting for a top player. On one hand she needs to "support the Tour" and don't go all part-time on WTA's ass like Serena and Kim do. On the other hand she can't play TOO much otherwise she'll get fatigued/injured, and she can't retire because a retirement next to her name is just bait for people to bash her. She also can't withdraw from a big event because it will pollute her ranking with zero-pointers. CONFLICTING AND DUBIOUS, this WTA. :lol:
Have no fear, she is not talented enough to do that.

Patrick345
May 18th, 2012, 03:01 PM
because actually peaking for big events and not overplaying in smaller ones MIGHT just prolong their career and at the same time bring the cash in too? Clijsters should be an obvious example for those greedy chicks how to manage your career if your game isn't overwhelmingly good - seize your opportunity when it presents itself and start winning when better players with superior games get injured or simply decline...that's how belgian won her latest 3 slams anyway

Overplaying in smaller ones?

Azarenka has played Sydney, Australian Open, Doha, Indian Wells, Miami, Stuttgart, Madrid and Rome? Where is that playing smaller events? Which of these events is she supposed to skip? The only one even possible was Stuttgart, the favourite tournament of all players, where you actually get to play in front of an actual audience.

Let me guess you think Sharapova has more game than Clijsters? :lol:

Break My Rapture
May 18th, 2012, 03:12 PM
Have no fear, she is not talented enough to do that.
Being a part-timer hardly has anything to do with talent though. :lol: It hints more at a careless attitude.

sammy01
May 18th, 2012, 03:27 PM
Being a part-timer hardly has anything to do with talent though. :lol: It hints more at a careless attitude.

you are seriously deluded if you believe that. caro cant win a slam being ranked #1 and having the easiest draws. kim and serena can win them unranked and 81 in the world, drawing petrova, jaja or bartoli and li to just make qtrs.

you have to be fairly dim not to see the higher the seeding the easier a draw is. that is why certain players are so desperate to be ranked as high as possible, thus overplay commit to too many tournaments and then complain.

if you think protecting your body when 28 or 30 years of age is a careless attitude, then i wonder what you think vika pulling out of rome and 'protecting her body' at 22 is?

CloudAtlas
May 18th, 2012, 03:32 PM
Why not retire? Because she would've been crucified again. Anyway she seems to get accused of murder by clueless detractors for every decision she makes in these situations so it doesn't really matter.

She's telling the truth. These situations are indeed conflicting for a top player. On one hand she needs to "support the Tour" and don't go all part-time on WTA's ass like Serena and Kim do. On the other hand she can't play TOO much otherwise she'll get fatigued/injured, and she can't retire because a retirement next to her name is just bait for people to bash her. She also can't withdraw from a big event because it will pollute her ranking with zero-pointers. CONFLICTING AND DUBIOUS, this WTA. :lol:


Retiring because of an injury (which she claims she has) is understandable and really would only get the unreasonable haters riled up. Putting a beatdown on a player, then withdrawing from a tournament claiming that you are unhealthy and were forced to play is different, and that's the issue here.

She should have chosen either not to play or not to complain but instead she did both and it comes across as boisterous.

bobito
May 18th, 2012, 03:36 PM
She is nearly 1400 points ahead of Sharapova and defending 675 fewer points from Rome, 400 fewer points from Roland Garros and 500 fewer points from Wimbledon. Can't afford another zero pointer on her ranking? :bs: She's a prima donna having a moan for the sake of having a moan.

Simugna Help
May 18th, 2012, 03:42 PM
She is nearly 1400 points ahead of Sharapova and defending 675 fewer points from Rome, 400 fewer points from Roland Garros and 500 fewer points from Wimbledon. Can't afford another zero pointer on her ranking? :bs: She's a prima donna having a moan for the sake of having a moan.
Rome points came off this Monday already. Nobody's defending them.

C. Drone
May 18th, 2012, 03:56 PM
She is nearly 1400 points ahead of Sharapova and defending 675 fewer points from Rome, 400 fewer points from Roland Garros and 500 fewer points from Wimbledon. Can't afford another zero pointer on her ranking? :bs: She's a prima donna having a moan for the sake of having a moan.

her ranking would suffer for 52weeks because of zero pointer. but good to see you looked forward 3 weeks. :silly:

BuTtErFrEnA
May 18th, 2012, 04:15 PM
didn't tbe say it already? 0 pointer can't be replaced while your "worst" can be? it's basically what serena did in 2009 when everyone laughed cause she lost all those 1st rds come clay court time

Marilyn Monheaux
May 18th, 2012, 04:23 PM
sorry if this should go on the twitter thread.

victoria azarenka ‏@vika7
Hopefully in the future there will be more protection for players rights

24m victoria azarenka ‏@vika7
If WTA rules were different then I could have focused on getting healthy, but I could not afford another zero pointer on my ranking.

6m victoria azarenka ‏@vika7
I was conflicted and disappointed to withdraw from Rome... I tried my hardest but I wasn't healthy going into the tournament...



I make of her comments that she is an idiot. :) Anyone who values ranking points (or fulfilling quotas and being eligible for the bonus $$$$) over their own health is an idiot. :)
And yes, she could afford another zero pointer... it's not like she's playing 10 or less tournamnets a year... :rolleyes:

TheBoiledEgg
May 18th, 2012, 04:59 PM
I make of her comments that she is an idiot. :) Anyone who values ranking points (or fulfilling quotas and being eligible for the bonus $$$$) over their own health is an idiot. :)
And yes, she could afford another zero pointer... it's not like she's playing 10 or less tournamnets a year... :rolleyes:


players who play less then 16 events can afford 0 pointers cos they dont affect your rank cos you dont play enough so no punishment.

Jane Lane
May 18th, 2012, 05:13 PM
All this thread proves is how ignorant people are regarding WTA rules meaning the Roadmap is the biggest failure in the history of tennis.

Marilyn Monheaux
May 18th, 2012, 05:29 PM
players who play less then 16 events can afford 0 pointers cos they dont affect your rank cos you dont play enough so no punishment.


I didn't mean it in terms of punishments, but ranking points... even with one or two zero pointers, she should be able to accumulate enough ranking points through other tournaments to maintain at least a top 5 position until the end of the season...

Marcus1979
May 18th, 2012, 05:46 PM
yeah the WTA roadmap is a disaster. Look at Henin and Hingis for example they burned themselves out due to overplaying, Venus and Serena were always selective in their schedules and so have had a career of longevity. What this roadmap plan will do is cause even more burnout with the younger generation.

StoneRose
May 18th, 2012, 05:48 PM
Those tweets were a mistake since they started this silly thread.

Break My Rapture
May 18th, 2012, 05:52 PM
you are seriously deluded if you believe that. caro cant win a slam being ranked #1 and having the easiest draws. kim and serena can win them unranked and 81 in the world, drawing petrova, jaja or bartoli and li to just make qtrs.

you have to be fairly dim not to see the higher the seeding the easier a draw is. that is why certain players are so desperate to be ranked as high as possible, thus overplay commit to too many tournaments and then complain.

if you think protecting your body when 28 or 30 years of age is a careless attitude, then i wonder what you think vika pulling out of rome and 'protecting her body' at 22 is?
It is a careless attitude. If we're talking about Kim specifically, she is clearly not willing to put in the extra effort to be match fit for more than two weeks. Not even that, as she is getting injured during almost every rare tournament she plays nowadays. She could still play something close to Sharapova's schedule if she would just put in the effort for getting in shape (and thus also protecting her body) and not letting being a mom occupy 80% of her time (as hard as that is in her situation).

C. Drone
May 18th, 2012, 06:01 PM
yeah the WTA roadmap is a disaster. Look at Henin and Hingis for example they burned themselves out due to overplaying, Venus and Serena were always selective in their schedules and so have had a career of longevity. What this roadmap plan will do is cause even more burnout with the younger generation.

why is a disaster? what has to do with overplaying? Noone is forcing them to play 20-25 tournaments. Actually there are more restictions now to not play extra tournaments. And WTA/ATP will implement more, (the real streamlined calendar is the next step when players will have no choice of tournament.)
Roadmap obligates top players to enter ~15 torunaments per year. The real problem is the lack of flexibility because players have to commit to these tournaments before the year starts.

Azarenka had the choice to withdraw, any player can fake something really painful for a medical reason. But she had her ranking priorities too (and the sad coincidence with 2 zero pointers already).

WeŽll see if Stacey Allaster bitchslaps her for these twitter comments or not.

Simugna Help
May 18th, 2012, 06:05 PM
yeah the WTA roadmap is a disaster. Look at Henin and Hingis for example they burned themselves out due to overplaying, Venus and Serena were always selective in their schedules and so have had a career of longevity. What this roadmap plan will do is cause even more burnout with the younger generation.
Everybody has different recovery time, different body... Some players get injured all the time even when not playing that much, some stay amazingly healthy. Serena and Federer are of the same age, yet Roger has played 400(!) more matches at pro level and is still a serious contender at slams. According to TF experts he should be a barely walking corps by now.
Though WTA should probably allow more flexibility, at the very least scrap the Premier Mandatory/Premier 5 labeling bullshit, do one Premier 1000 (or Premier 9) brand and let players choose 6 out of 9 commitment tournaments. This way it'd be more flexible and worse tournaments like Madrid or Beijing would be able to take some heat for botching the job.

goldenlox
May 18th, 2012, 06:51 PM
It is a careless attitude. If we're talking about Kim specifically, she is clearly not willing to put in the extra effort to be match fit for more than two weeks. Not even that, as she is getting injured during almost every rare tournament she plays nowadays. She could still play something close to Sharapova's schedule if she would just put in the effort for getting in shape (and thus also protecting her body) and not letting being a mom occupy 80% of her time (as hard as that is in her situation).I disagree. Just because she's had injuries doesnt mean Kim wasnt fit. She was fit enough to win majors after having a child. Also to win the YEC final when Wozniacki came back to win set 2 and go up a break in set 3.
Thats a long week and not easy to play in set 3 of the final, unless you're fit.

The goal of the roadmap is to get the top players in the same tournaments. But they will never all be healthy at the same time.

From Miami on we've had Serena vs Maria, Vika, Caro (twice)
Maria plays Vika all the time, and played Caro in Miami
Vika plays everyone around who wins a lot of matches. 6 finals this year so far.

Wozzilroy
May 18th, 2012, 06:55 PM
I never read anybody that Twitter. Total waste of time. So I cannot comment on what she twittered as I did NOT read it

duhcity
May 18th, 2012, 07:33 PM
I don't get why these young players bother about rankings so much anyway...Wozniacki, Radwanska, Azarenka - this trio would probably rise from their deathbed and play some event if only that benefits their ranking position in a positive way. Why not playing less, taking punishments from WTA and preserving your bodies for biggies like slams? This way any money lost from regular events would be easily covered by performing your best when it counts LOL

These young players are not the WS/Maria. They don't have a massive fund that they can live off of or deals that have been put in place long-term. They're trying to get to that point, and winning tournaments and maintaining a ranking is the way to that point. You can be a fan, but you have to EARN the right to be a player who can just show up at slams. Serena. Venus, Maria etc. all payed their dues grinding on the tour at one point before they started the schedule they play now.

Patrick345
May 18th, 2012, 07:38 PM
WeŽll see if Stacey Allaster bitchslaps her for these twitter comments or not.

I expect this RG draw:

1st Hradecka
2nd Venus
3rd round Barthel
4th round Ivanovic
QF Serena
SF Na Li

:lol::lol:

Simugna Help
May 18th, 2012, 07:43 PM
These young players are not the WS/Maria. They don't have a massive fund that they can live off of or deals that have been put in place long-term. They're trying to get to that point, and winning tournaments and maintaining a ranking is the way to that point. You can be a fan, but you have to EARN the right to be a player who can just show up at slams. Serena. Venus, Maria etc. all payed their dues grinding on the tour at one point before they started the schedule they play now.

WS at no point had a loaded schedule. Even when they were young they played 40-60 matches a year. Clijsters on the othe other hand...:p Ironically if Serena continues entering tournaments at this rate she will play more matches in 2012 than in her peak years.

C. Drone
May 18th, 2012, 07:50 PM
Serena about Roadmap
“The WTA has a set of rules that are great for the players and some rules are good for the tournaments and everyone doesn’t necessarily agree on everything, which is normal. You somehow gotta make the tournaments happy, you gotta make the players happy, tournaments have to make money. It’s a two-way street that we’ve been working on. We’ve made some great adjustments for years now. Compared to a few years ago this is a great balance.”

lovevika
May 18th, 2012, 08:04 PM
Sveta's coach: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=413371742016965&set=a.171111606242981.34645.171104789576996&type=1&theater

Patrick345
May 18th, 2012, 08:10 PM
Serena about Roadmap
“The WTA has a set of rules that are great for the players and some rules are good for the tournaments and everyone doesn’t necessarily agree on everything, which is normal. You somehow gotta make the tournaments happy, you gotta make the players happy, tournaments have to make money. It’s a two-way street that we’ve been working on. We’ve made some great adjustments for years now. Compared to a few years ago this is a great balance.”

Like Serena gives a shit about the rules. She does whatever she wants and it is covered by the WTA, so obviously sheŽll have their back publicly. This would be a different story if the WTA fined her 500k for every time she missed Indian Wells, Tokyo, Beijing, Doha/Dubai or obviously tanked a match. :lol:

Dav.
May 18th, 2012, 08:11 PM
I never read anybody that Twitter. Total waste of time. So I cannot comment on what she twittered as I did NOT read it

Thank you for sharing.

sammy01
May 18th, 2012, 08:17 PM
It is a careless attitude. If we're talking about Kim specifically, she is clearly not willing to put in the extra effort to be match fit for more than two weeks. Not even that, as she is getting injured during almost every rare tournament she plays nowadays. She could still play something close to Sharapova's schedule if she would just put in the effort for getting in shape (and thus also protecting her body) and not letting being a mom occupy 80% of her time (as hard as that is in her situation).

you obviously know jack shit about kim. if you did you will know she started training for this year at the end of october and she is already training again for rosemalan/wimbledon.

kim and serena don't just rack up to slams and win them, they put in countless hours training and doing work on their bodies. kim has been doing rehabbing and strengthening even when she is injured and cant hit.

your reply shows how little you value tennis if you honestly think a player such as kim can win a slam only being fit for 2 weeks and 80% a mom.

Israel
May 18th, 2012, 08:18 PM
I think it was really ugly to play a match just to retire 20 minutes after it.
Those tweets just show how classy she is (NOT).

C. Drone
May 18th, 2012, 08:19 PM
Like Serena gives a shit about the rules. She does whatever she wants and it is covered by the WTA, so obviously sheŽll have their back publicly. This would be a different story if the WTA fined her 500k for every time she missed Indian Wells, Tokyo, Beijing, Doha/Dubai or obviously tanked a match. :lol:

then why cant Vika do the same considering sheŽll get her Year End Prize money now?
Its like feeding dog from your left hand and then next second it will bite your other hand. :oh:

Matt01
May 18th, 2012, 08:24 PM
I didn't mean it in terms of punishments, but ranking points... even with one or two zero pointers, she should be able to accumulate enough ranking points through other tournaments to maintain at least a top 5 position until the end of the season...


I think it's quite natural that a player who has won 2 of the 3 biggest tourneys this year and has only lost 2 matches until the end of May aims to finish the season in the TOP 1 and not in the Top 5. :lol:

Believe it or not but there are actually still players out there who care about the rankings and I can't see how that is a bad thing.
And it would be truly ridiculous if Azarenka continued to play like she did at the beginning of the year but at the end would lose her #1 position because of her zero pointers.

Simugna Help
May 18th, 2012, 08:29 PM
I think it's quite natural that a player who has won 2 of the 3 biggest tourneys this year and has only lost 2 matches until the end of May aims to finish the season in the TOP 1 and not in the Top 5. :lol:

Believe it or not but there are actually still players out there who care about the rankings and I can't see how that is a bad thing.
And it would be truly ridiculous if Azarenka continued to play like she did at the beginning of the year but at the end would lose her #1 position because of her zero pointers.

Yeah, Serena just said she wanted to reclaim #1 and Nadal admitted he was following rankings, but he mostly focused on Race ranking to see how he's doing this season.

debby
May 18th, 2012, 08:31 PM
I think it's quite natural that a player who has won 2 of the 3 biggest tourneys this year and has only lost 2 matches until the end of May aims to finish the season in the TOP 1 and not in the Top 5. :lol:

Believe it or not but there are actually still players out there who care about the rankings and I can't see how that is a bad thing.
And it would be truly ridiculous if Azarenka continued to play like she did at the beginning of the year but at the end would lose her #1 position because of her zero pointers.

Smart as always, my friend Matt01. :hi5: I totally agree.

Break My Rapture
May 18th, 2012, 08:34 PM
you obviously know jack shit about kim. if you did you will know she started training for this year at the end of october and she is already training again for rosemalan/wimbledon.

kim and serena don't just rack up to slams and win them, they put in countless hours training and doing work on their bodies. kim has been doing rehabbing and strengthening even when she is injured and cant hit.

your reply shows how little you value tennis if you honestly think a player such as kim can win a slam only being fit for 2 weeks and 80% a mom.
You don't need to know squat about Clijsters to know that she's physically not in great shape if she keeps getting injured at every rare tournament she plays.

For the record, I loved it when Kim won USO '09 because she miraculously reached a fairly high level of tennis after only a couple of tournaments in her comeback. But lately she is not putting in the extra effort, that was already visible in 2011. Her level of play has dropped and she's constantly getting injured, I doubt this is just because of the near-retirement cycle. If she had the motivation to put in as much physical training as the full-time top players do now, she could still be up there.

sammy01
May 18th, 2012, 10:00 PM
You don't need to know squat about Clijsters to know that she's physically not in great shape if she keeps getting injured at every rare tournament she plays.

For the record, I loved it when Kim won USO '09 because she miraculously reached a fairly high level of tennis after only a couple of tournaments in her comeback. But lately she is not putting in the extra effort, that was already visible in 2011. Her level of play has dropped and she's constantly getting injured, I doubt this is just because of the near-retirement cycle. If she had the motivation to put in as much physical training as the full-time top players do now, she could still be up there.

or maybe kim is nearly 29 and her body cant handle top flight tennis anymore, especially given kim plays a very physical game. i mean you would think a fan of an extremely injured player who has more retirements than titles would understand this.

Matt01
May 18th, 2012, 10:30 PM
or maybe kim is nearly 29 and her body cant handle top flight tennis anymore, especially given kim plays a very physical game. i mean you would think a fan of an extremely injured player who has more retirements than titles would understand this.


Please. :tape: Kim is skipping one clay season after another because she has no interest playing on clay anymore. Nothing to with injury or her physical game. You know that as well as I do.

sammy01
May 18th, 2012, 11:12 PM
Please. :tape: Kim is skipping one clay season after another because she has no interest playing on clay anymore. Nothing to with injury or her physical game. You know that as well as I do.

yeah i mean missing wimbledon and us open last year and IW this is cus she has no intrest in playing hardcourt tournaments and grass ones either

Matt01
May 18th, 2012, 11:18 PM
yeah i mean missing wimbledon and us open last year and IW this is cus she has no intrest in playing hardcourt tournaments and grass ones either


No, but to me she didn't look very interested in tennis in general, and I'm not denying that some of her injuries were legit. But if she actually cared about the tour and wasn't a part-time player all season then she would probably be injured less.

sammy01
May 18th, 2012, 11:37 PM
No, but to me she didn't look very interested in tennis in general, and I'm not denying that some of her injuries were legit. But if she actually cared about the tour and wasn't a part-time player all season then she would probably be injured less.

so you think playing more would result in kim getting less injured lol, great logic. kim has said at this years oz open she trains harder and that part of her tennis is tougher than playing matches.

Matt01
May 19th, 2012, 02:24 AM
so you think playing more would result in kim getting less injured lol, great logic.


That happened to other players as well...Serena, Justine etc. Players who hardly play are often more often injured than players who play a full schedule.

debby
May 19th, 2012, 02:30 AM
That happened to other players as well...Serena, Justine etc. Players who hardly play are often more often injured than players who play a full schedule.

Yeah because they are less faced to injuries... I mean, if they play less, so they can't gain physical strength, they can't be .... "immune" to injuries... no one can be immune, hence my use of " " , but look at Woz and Jankovic when they used to play so many tournaments, they were rarely injured.

aloeball
May 19th, 2012, 03:10 AM
It's about the money at the end as well. Vika wants the number 1 ranking because of all the lucrative deals that comes with it. Everyone wants a piece of you when you're at the top no matter how good you are - just look at Wozniacki.

So when she says she wants it for the number 1 ranking, I take it that she wants it for the huge endorsement deals. I don't understand why the number 1 ranking means so much once you've reach it. I mean, unless you're in it for the record and legacy then that's ok. But she's a paper number 1 and I regard her as an average number 1 player in a very shit generation.

She loses more respect from me now because of this point/money whoring instead of concentrating on getting healthy and playing her best tennis. Fuck her excuses.

Kudos to Sharapova for speaking out.

stromatolite
May 19th, 2012, 09:35 AM
It makes me cringe to see that she is unaware of just how shameful her behaviour is. You always have the choice to suck it up and take the zero-pointer. Others do it all the time without bitching.

C. Drone
May 19th, 2012, 09:48 AM
funny thing is no one would give a fuck what she does without the stupid communication:
- why couldnt they wait with the withdraw til next morning?
- why did they schdule her on court 2? That just raised too many eyebrows. Scheduling her on big court and a small change after her withdrawal would have been much better.
- and then the twitter bitching... which was kinda cool because of no bullshiting, but really really dumb from PR point of view.