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supergrunt
May 17th, 2012, 09:15 PM
Last year, Serena won Stanford, Toronto, and the Us Open series before falling to Stosur in a shockingly bizarre, one-sided affair which seemed to suggest that an early-summer loss and some rest (her usual pattern before a grand slam win) would have done her some good. Now she's on the road to her third clay court title of the year; if she wins, she will have played 7 matches in a row a week before a grueling two-week grand slam on clay--a surface that requires the most stamina. On top of that (as much as Serena fans don't like to admit it) its clear that her foot is acting up again.

We all know that Venus and Serena have benefited from their unique, reserved approach to the tennis season. Now it seems as if Serena is playing events week in and week out, winning them consistently, and playing her best at non-slam events. Is it for her or to make her fans and the tennis community happy? Does this compromise come at the cost of Serena's unique approach to the game that has worked for her for years?

sweetadri06
May 17th, 2012, 09:18 PM
:rolleyes:

StoneRose
May 17th, 2012, 09:22 PM
It'll help her unless she has a real problem as is suggested about her back, then she'd better rest.

tennisbum79
May 17th, 2012, 09:25 PM
Has Serena herself spoken about this?
Or it one of things palyers do not want to reveal until the competition is over

killerqueen
May 17th, 2012, 09:53 PM
I don't think she's hurting herself at all really. She took a three week break between Miami/Charleston and Madrid/Rome, and will take another week off before RG kicks off. It's not exactly like she's ramming in tournaments Bartoli style. She's basically playing a standard claycourt season.

JRena
May 17th, 2012, 09:55 PM
She wants to be match fit unlike the AO

hobahobaspirit
May 17th, 2012, 10:03 PM
No, she's playing the right schedule.

flareon
May 17th, 2012, 10:11 PM
Its actually good practise because a grand slam is two weeks long serena has basically played fully for two weeks.

LightWarrior
May 17th, 2012, 10:17 PM
It doesn't help because apparently she has some ache. Even if she plays 2 red clay warmup before RG, that wouldn't help. And because of her body type she's prone to injury more than other players. Red clay is the one surface that doesn't fit her game overall. She will make the UE on that extra shot. And just compare her aces stats in Madrid and Rome...
She's the clear favourite for Wimbledon, but not RG.

Queen_Vee_92
May 17th, 2012, 10:46 PM
Helping her thus far, but she's teetering on the edge.

Gained confidence, big scalps and a title at Madrid. Has had a tough match (Nadia) and got some practice on the real stuff.

This title is in sight and would make it a hugely successful clay season regardless of the result at the French but she wants a 2nd RG at all costs, so it isn't worth it imo.

I don't think we'll see it now, but i would suggest a tank to Flavia :lol:

StephenUK
May 17th, 2012, 10:49 PM
My view is slightly different.

Serena is 30 years old now and is in the twilight years of her career. She has just come back from a long absence occasioned by a freak accident that nearly had fatal consequences. She must be aware of how hard it is to win grand slams aged over 30, looking at the stats of the whole open era.

The period 2004-10 of her career was all about conserving herself for the slams and not really trying on the WTA Tour, partly because Serena was rightly confident that she could still win slams out of nowhere. Coming back from zero in 2011, she had to win WTA tournaments quickly to avoid a long and tedious process outside the top 20(cf Venus, for whom this agony is far more prolonged). Also she has found since this comeback that she has been unable to rely on the last two slams, losing a rare GS final in New York and then producing her worst Australian Open performance in aeons. I think Serena is now just going for it in the events she plays, because she needs these to bring back her confidence and also re-instill the fear factor that used to intimidate her opponents, but also because she is not looking to conserve her body for another 10 years of tennis, she is probably only looking at 2-3 years realistically.

Whatever the case, this clay season she has put together some of the best tennis she has played in ages and looks like the Serena of old. She is certainly playing her best clay tennis since 2002. The way she is playing now, it looks like Paris is hers for the taking, especially the way she dispatched her two main rivals, Azarenka and Sharapova, for the loss of 8 games in Madrid. The big question is how long she can keep this purple patch going, whether she will get another injury, lose form or produce a bad performance out of nowhere (cf US Open final). But the fact that Henin is gone and there is no real great clay player at the moment or even of the level of threat of a Safina, Kuznetsova, Jankovic or Ivanovic of a few years back, makes one wonder who will win RG besides Serena.

LightWarrior
May 17th, 2012, 10:51 PM
"I've never been so motivated to continue on my journey. I feel good and I have had a lot of practice on clay and today I was running so much and I was ready to play and feeling good. I wasn't tired at all. I feel good.”
http://www.internazionalibnlditalia.com/News/Tennis/2012/Tournament/Williams-Thursday.aspx

laurie
May 17th, 2012, 10:53 PM
Last year, Serena won Stanford, Toronto, and the Us Open series before falling to Stosur in a shockingly bizarre, one-sided affair which seemed to suggest that an early-summer loss and some rest (her usual pattern before a grand slam win) would have done her some good. Now she's on the road to her third clay court title of the year; if she wins, she will have played 7 matches in a row a week before a grueling two-week grand slam on clay--a surface that requires the most stamina. On top of that (as much as Serena fans don't like to admit it) its clear that her foot is acting up again.

We all know that Venus and Serena have benefited from their unique, truncated approach to the tennis season. Now it seems as if Serena is playing events week in and week out, winning them consistently, and playing her best at non-slam events. Is it for her or to make her fans and the tennis community happy? Does this compromise come at the cost of Serena's unique approach to the game that has worked for her for years?

Well, a lot of the time Serena couldn't play over the years because of injury. I'm delighted to see her playing on a weekly basis and playing brilliant tennis. Her form makes Roland Garros and Wimbledon an extremely exciting prospect

Rolling-Thunder
May 17th, 2012, 10:53 PM
She'll have a week off to rest, relax and recover. She needs the practice. She has not had that many long matches. I don't recall any match that was 2 hours.

I do not believe her shocking loss in the US Open had anything due to fatigue. First Stosur played decently. Stosur was not fantastic or unbelievable but well within herself. She played her game, remained calm and let Serena make errors. Serena on the other hand seemed nervous and unable to do anything right. We've seen her play with her forehand off. We've seen her when her serve was off. We've seen her when her movement was off. We've even seen her when her backhand hasn't shown up. We've even seen her even when she seems disinterested or bored. But its not too often when the forehand, serve, movement and backhand are ALL off.

My diagnosis is that her nerves coupled with the lack of recent match play in tight situations, didn't allow her to relax and play her game with her skills. She won two tournaments before playing pretty decently. But still she had not played that much tennis prior to the US Open. So with her nerves betraying her in a big moment in her own country as the overwhelming favorite, she simply could not get beyond herself (her psyche) to play as she had done in the rounds before. That was a match that nothing she did was right. Nothing. No more, no less.

To me it all comes down to nerves in those situations.

As far as this tournament, I'm sure she is tired a bit from playing several days in a row. She may not be tired physically as much as just wanting a day away from the court and being able to just chill or needing a break. Still these matches are important preparation. She has to be prepared physically, mentally and in spirit to fight her opponent, herself, the elements and maybe even the crowd to win at Roland Garros again.

Rolling-Thunder
May 17th, 2012, 10:56 PM
StephenUK: I concur wholeheartedly with you. Great perspective and summation.

bobcat
May 17th, 2012, 11:09 PM
I agree that a big part of the problem was nerves at the USO. Even though Serena was winning last summer she was having a tough time closing out matches. I lost count of how many times she got broken serving for a match. In her current clay court winning streak I don't think this has happened at all.

Foxy
May 17th, 2012, 11:18 PM
After Rome, Serena should go home and rest then go to Paris. She doesn't need anymore preparation for Paris.

faboozadoo15
May 17th, 2012, 11:39 PM
I don't see how it would hurt her at all as long as she doesn't pick up an injury. Full steam ahead. She's having her best clay court season ever.

dsanders06
May 17th, 2012, 11:46 PM
Last year, Serena won Stanford, Toronto, and the Us Open series before falling to Stosur in a shockingly bizarre, one-sided affair which seemed to suggest that an early-summer loss and some rest (her usual pattern before a grand slam win) would have done her some good.

:spit: No it didn't suggest that at all. If anything, it was indicative that she hadn't had ENOUGH matchplay, because her concentration was nowhere to be seen. Same for the match against Makarova.

Anyway, Serena for all her faults is smarter than the delusional Willytards on here and knew that if she was going to have even an outside shot at winning RG, that she'd need to have lots of match practice on clay under her belt, seeing how abysmal her footwork has been in most of her claycourt matches in recent years.

The Dawntreader
May 17th, 2012, 11:48 PM
I don't see how it would hurt her at all as long as she doesn't pick up an injury. Full steam ahead. She's having her best clay court season ever.

Exactly. Bar injury, everything is attainable right now.

Anabelcroft
May 17th, 2012, 11:51 PM
helping

Stonerpova
May 18th, 2012, 12:11 AM
If it's hurting her she'll tank. She knows what she's doing.

MrSerenaWilliams
May 18th, 2012, 12:11 AM
I don't see how it would hurt her at all as long as she doesn't pick up an injury. Full steam ahead. She's having her best clay court season ever.

This.

Sam L
May 18th, 2012, 08:15 AM
I don't see how it would hurt her at all as long as she doesn't pick up an injury. Full steam ahead. She's having her best clay court season ever.
She's having an almost perfect clay season. I hope the streak continues.

MrSerenaWilliams
May 18th, 2012, 08:19 AM
Playing a lot of matches wasn't the reason she lost the US Open final.

Being 2nd best in the final was the reason she lost.

aloeball
May 18th, 2012, 09:07 AM
I know, as Serena fans, I think part of it is to accept that Serena lost that final because Stosur was better and that nerves did get the best of her as well. She wasn't at her best but that doesn't matter because you need to be better than the other player on the day to win.

Let's not forget Serena used to play singles and doubles in slams too. I know she's older but I think match practise on the red clay - a much slower court is beneficial.

I think Serena looks set to win RG again, but she did look good the year she lost to Kuznetsova and Stosur soo yeah. Who knows but I'm definitely excited this year.

MrSerenaWilliams
May 18th, 2012, 09:13 AM
I know, as Serena fans, I think part of it is to accept that Serena lost that final because Stosur was better and that nerves did get the best of her as well. She wasn't at her best but that doesn't matter because you need to be better than the other player on the day to win.

Let's not forget Serena used to play singles and doubles in slams too. I know she's older but I think match practise on the red clay - a much slower court is beneficial.

I think Serena looks set to win RG again, but she did look good the year she lost to Kuznetsova and Stosur soo yeah. Who knows but I'm definitely excited this year.

She was decent once she got there, but those 3 straight losses on clay in 2009 and those 2 ugly losses in 2010 were :facepalm:


But yes....we will see what happens.

Tenis Srbija
May 18th, 2012, 09:21 AM
Oh dear God. She plays two events in a row and it's bigger news then anything else :facepalm:
She will be fine. She's done it before, she won't decompose. She won't tank in Rome, she want's to win it.
The end.

Lilowannabe
May 18th, 2012, 10:31 AM
I think serena knows whats good for her. I dont think exhaustion was the reason for the US final loss, Stosur's super play was!!! Renas looking fitter than she has in years! Im very optimistic for RG

Vuvurenka
May 18th, 2012, 11:02 AM
I seriously thought she was gonna tank to Petrova :lol: Now it seems like she's serious about going as far as possible in Rome. She seems very focused this year, even her oncourt demeanor is different

SerenaSlam
May 18th, 2012, 11:04 AM
No

LightWarrior
May 18th, 2012, 11:26 AM
A quarter final bye certainly won't hurt her at this point...

supergrunt
Jun 12th, 2012, 11:39 PM
bump

StoneRose
Jun 12th, 2012, 11:53 PM
Reconsider? Still think yes. She needs to get into the habit of beating every player she meets everytime again. Lot of playing was not responsible for the first round loss at RG.

supergrunt
Jul 11th, 2012, 01:27 AM
Plays in Stanford tomorrow. :tape:

@danieln1
Jul 11th, 2012, 01:31 AM
If she loses early in London as the pattern sugests, it´s WAY better to have one more Wimbledon than the Olympic gold in my opinion.

She already has gold in doubles, and people will remember more when she retired the number of majors she won instead of the Olympic medal.

Direwolf
Jul 11th, 2012, 06:35 AM
Agree
she may become the best American Born player to have not won the Olympics Singles.

Rolling-Thunder
Jul 11th, 2012, 01:05 PM
Frankly I think the Olympics as far as tennis is a bit overblown. For the players it may be a bigger thing, but for fans and history it does not compare to the Slams. Sorry but that just is a fact. A lot of fans might be causally interested in watching the matches, but trying to follow the Olympic schedule is often too much compared to the Slams with time differences etc.

If Serena is fit, then she'll be fine. She plays best and is less likely to be injured if she stays in match play shape. Working out ultimately is not the same as playing. After Stanford, I assume she'll have a week off. Plus I am sure she is glad to be back in the USA and in a warm, sunny climate. She's getting a healthy dose of Vitamin D.

Direwolf
Jul 11th, 2012, 08:31 PM
Frankly I think the Olympics as far as tennis is a bit overblown. For the players it may be a bigger thing, but for fans and history it does not compare to the Slams. Sorry but that just is a fact. but trying to follow the Olympic schedule is often too much compared to the Slams with time differences etc.

Because the GOLDEN SLAM is the rarest feat ever and only 1 person has done it in the History of tennis, iirc. Who do we pay to see, the players right and not the fans.

its the same time zone and venue as Wimbledon :confused: